A Better Computer Fan - Sometimes: Cross-Flow Meshless AIO Case Benchmarks & Review
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
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This video is exciting for us: We put some heavy work into new educational animations to explain abstract or challenging topics, like airflow through a cross-flow fan vs. axial vs. blower. The Meshless AIO mini-ITX case is a new computer case on the market with a unique thermal solution, using a cross-flow cylindrical fan rather than traditional computer fans. This can be the best fan for the job when in a cramped space, but requires the entire solution to be built ground-up around the fan. This video will go in-depth with airflow, thermals and temperature testing results, and will feature an animation to educate on how these bizarre (and relatively new, at just 131 years old) fans work. This content also provides a detailed review of the SFF (Small Form Factor) Meshless AIO case.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Revolutionary Design: Cross-Flow ITX Fan
02:41 - Specs, Price, & Build: Meshless AIO Case
04:35 - Airflow
06:47 - Schlieren "Airflow Imaging" Setup Explained
08:50 - Schlieren Results
10:28 - Cross-Flow Isn't Plug-and-Play
11:35 - HOW IT WORKS & Animation
14:51 - Testing Methodology
15:28 - THERMALS: CPU Temperature
17:02 - THERMALS: GPU Temperature
18:32 - THERMALS: RAM & VRM
19:03 - Brilliant Mechanical Design
21:15 - Positives & Negatives
24:15 - Conclusion
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Steve Burke: Writing, Testing, Host
Jeremy Clayton: Testing, Writing
Vitalii Makhnovets: Camera, Video Editing
Andrew Coleman: 3D Animation 
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Whatever you do don't auction off that case.
Don't forget cposs flow fan are also used in gas fireplace
Next create a mini fridge to put the components in
So it's like the interior fan in an AC unit.
edit: Ah, I see you mention this around 14:20
so happy yo see the schlieren
There aren’t enough comments recognizing the ridiculous engineering feat this case is for a single designer new to building cases. They did an incredible job.
Theyre using a furnace/fireplace/propane heat exchange fan, its nothing new..
When PC people realize their 120mm fans aren't the pinnacle of airflow you get comments like these below:
@@thatguy5801 Using the fan type isn’t the impressive part, obviously. I can’t believe I needed to say that. You clearly have never designed and built anything from scratch before
@@HCGBecause you know me? lol This case isn't impressive or new, its a furnace/fireplace fan.
@@thatguy5801 So go make one
@@thatguy5801 Yeah, HCG is right, you've clearly never design a product from scratch.
I really love when product testers comes up with an experiment and elaborate visual presentation like this one. The video becomes really educational and much more interesting.
Thank you! We needed it internally too to better understand how it worked!
@@GamersNexus I love this channel!!!
You can literally see Steve being excited to show us and being proud of what they did. Can't help but empathize lol
yeah totally appreciate the attention to detail
@@GamersNexus I've been using this type of fans that I rescue (or repurposed fans that don't swing anymore), for a while on my rigs. I personally love them. But it does require a little work to make them do what you want. The main advantage for me, is that I don't want noise, or specifically a noise that's going to keep me awake. I'm glad that somebody has finally decided to do this also, but not as do it yourself project, rather a correctly engineered and designed product
"These cross flow fans have also been used in planes, but the idea hasn't gotten off the ground." Touché' Steve. I see what you did here
LMAO
That joke took off very well.
timed with a shot of the plane getting off the ground no less. It was pretty good :)
It also exist on top over the range microwave. I see similar fan like this on my old GE Microwave.
a child would see the joke,
As an HVAC technician I have learned a few things over the years about airflow and the contraptions that move them. Cross-flow fans are designed to operate with little to no static pressure (under .5 in. W.C.) and when you do use them in a high static pressure scenarios they A, significantly reduce the amount of air they are able to move due to the vortices created from the back pressure, and B, the motors burn up prematurely due to high amp draw, created by the static pressure. Also the maintenance to clean these is far more tedious, and balancing can become a nightmare. Axial fans are nice because they can be “customized” from low to high static by changing the shape, pitch, width, and thickness of the blades. Squirrel cage fans are for use in medium to high static pressure, and is the most efficient of the the 3 in regards to moving a given volume of air.
Sizing the motor appropriately for a more constrained flow situation would mitigate the issue of burning the motors up though, no? They would only burn up because they are under rated for the use case.
Dust landing on the blades also impacts balance. It's possible to make them better but soooo many of them are just designed to be as cheap as possible. This one looks so much nicer than any of them I've seen.
I wonder if some more ducting would help this fan/case specifically
@@802Garage No, it wouldn't.
HVAC motors usually rely on the airflow they themselves create to cool themselves. Installing a larger motor to theoretically handle a higher load doesn't work when the motor still can't cool itself from restricted airflow, it will just burn up faster. More current equals more heat. That's not even accounting for the ridiculous cost of up sizing a motor, larger motors get expensive quick, and you need all of the heavier duty support equipment for them. Larger wires, larger contactors, bigger breakers and more electricity use.
If the motor is subject to fault conditions of heavy restrictions, it needs circuitry to monitor it and shut it off if excessive current draw is detected.
@@GGigabiteM I think the term larger may be doing too much work here. A motor designed for slightly higher torque, but not necessarily much larger, would not require significantly more current to work without overheating, and obviously the cooling design would have to be taken into account as well. If it was impossible, every type of fan would burn up when obstruction was introduced.
Steve channeling Retro Encabulator vibes and then being self aware enough to literally add a clip from the vid had me rolling. XD
hahahaha
But no stats on the sinusoidal depleneration!
@@truckerallikatuk Hahahaha fuck yeah
Gotta deal with that side-fumbling some how
@@Jake9066 pretty sure they had some hydro-coptic marsel vanes to address that.
GN’s really taking things up a notch lately. Every vid just fantastic. Especially the reference to the retro turbo encabulator.
Thank you! Trying to really add some polish with the animations where we can!
Indeed!
Seeing Steve excited over reviewing a case is real joy. If anything, this case at least achieved this.
LOL ! @12:52 I was like - "ooh that's a lot of big words" - and then you totally took the piss of your own explanation with the clip after - Bravo!
14:30 "The Idea hasn't really gotten off the ground" **airplane taking off**
Yeaaaahhhhhhhhhhh.gif
It literally has gotten off the ground 🤷♂
you got the joke
Funnily enough, there's an airplane that uses those fans as they are to fly. AFAIK only in RC format, but it's entirely possible that some nutcase tried it for real in the 60's, i've seen a few pictures online.
he is right. technically it works, but so far the controls are horrible
tech jesus makes revolutionary high quality journalism showing the flow of air by just punching a hole in a soda can
there is absolutely nothing steve cant acomplish
Truly the highest form of engineering.
@@GamersNexus this is the tech way of making water into wine.
he turns light into content
@@alexmannen1991 Isn't that literally almost all video?
@@jubuttib no its special when steve does it. thanks steve
@@alexmannen1991 True. Back to you, Steve.
damn, that company must be so proud of the work they put into this and patting themselves on the back after seeing this video. this is basically the highest level of praise they'll ever get, especially from a highly-respected channel such as Gamer Nexus
Aerospace engineering nerd here and a propulsion SME, deeply appreciate the Schlieren photography. This is used extensively in aviation, especially in higher mach flow to observe compression gradients, shock waves, and expansion waves in the flow. Anyways, I can guarantee that the airflow is going to be turbulent, not laminar. But turbulent flow is better for cooling across a heatsink anyways. But this is great, your lit search on the fan tech was amazing to see as an academic!!! That's always the first step lol. Fan tech can get crazy and I absolutely appreciate this case and the testing you have done.
I know I might just be able to search for this but was hoping you could elaborate on why turbulent flow is better for cooling heat sinks.
@iCounterProductive great question! So basically fluid cooling has a convection coefficient (natural and forced, natural is no fan or something moving the fluid around), essentially how much energy can be removed for the flow conditions and area. Laminar flow is smooth, so essentially the heat can get trapped in boundary layer and maybe a bit of the freestream flow. Because of this the heat stays more local and drive the coefficient down. Turbulent flow, being more energetic, has eddies and swirls and all that stuff in it so it naturally mixes as it moves across a head spreader. This mixing allows for the heat to be pulled away more easily. In addition, since laminar flow is smooth and straight residence time of the fluid on the heat spreader is at a minimum while turbulent flow has the eddies and swirling the residence time on the heat spreader is just ever so slightly greater since some flow can swirl back onto it.
@@interestingcan That's a lot of run-on sentences.
Remember to not acidentially auction off this prototype case (potentially to a case maker) after promising to send it back after the review.
"But the company is probably going bankrupt anyways"
oof size: eATX full tower
The excitement is real. A small company doing something different that requires lots of testing and it works. We get a Rockwell Encabulator cameo and a Jay joke. Sounds like this review was fun to put together and it shows throughout the video.
The editing was top notch also. Inserting animations or closeups when needed, but not too much - that is a fine art.
"And in planes, but the idea hasn't really gotten off the ground"
I see what you did there, and I love it. Bravo.
I didn't think that Gamers Nexus could get any better than it already is, but you lovely people just took it to a whole new level! BEST. SHOW. EVER.
Hey, I'm a fan of this.
That's so cool that you're a fan of this
i'm a fan of opel astra F and this looks like it fits :))
This comment blows.
An OnlyFan?
Hyuk
I'm not sure how to express my adoration for this channel and the whole team behind it without getting.. overly colorful to the point of cringeworthiness. The combination of bulletproof, watertight, spotless, astronomical levels of ethics & morals with the INSANE levels of testing, data gathering, analysis, and production.. it honestly makes me just a little bit emotional every time you upload and I get to watch a new one. Thank you. The tech industry is a better place for your being part of it.
Thank you for the kind words! We will keep pushing for this level of content!
I love it when Steve is excited about something different. This video was amazing.
"They've also been considered for aviation use inside the wings of planes, but the idea hasn't really gotten off the ground."
Steve, even Jay has got to be facepalming at that dad joke.
Your air density/flow testing rig is ~ridiculous~, in the best way possible. SO very effective, so very useful. Thanks for showing us what we've always wanted to see with our own eyes, I hope to see more of it being used.👍
If it's stupid and it works it's not that stupid.
@@carlwynia7575 If you have any friends that vape, you can imagine how you can test yourself. I wanted to know if my fans in O11 are hurting or helping, in the sense where does the airflow actually goes.
Love the animations, any show or media that involves an animation to show internals and/or how something would function thats otherwise difficult to actually demonstrate just makes it so much more interesting.
Hopefully we get to see more in the future?
That's the plan! Any time there's an abstract or complex topic, we're hoping to include those!
Hit up @explainingcomputers on help with educational animations. He does them for his videos.
@@GamersNexus - Two requests:
1. Keep pushing boundaries and raising the standard for how reviews can be. I remember back in the day, findign reviews on blogs...
2. In animations, make arrows rotate axially the same way air vortices would do. And if they change size to indicate pressure change, then it would be (close to) 100%. ;)
Thank you for yet another amazing video!
The HOW IT WORKS section was epic. Loved the music and animations and the jokes.
As a certified Turbo Encabulator operator and technician, I approve of this video.
Steve and GN crews making investigative reports while also reviewing PC products in depths while also interviewing actual bts minds of the industry while also occasionally do on-site tours of factories. The contents are top notch. Salute.
This is probably the 10th time he's explained schlieren imagery and I still have no idea what he's talking about.
Still funny that all other RUclipsrs use a smoke machine but gamers Nexus was like "nah we need to see the air!"
Schlieren imagery is like magic!
What about magnets?
@@woldemunster9244 We'll let you know when we figure out how they work...
Ask ICP lol @@GamersNexus
yes thats the joke 🤦♀️
This is a fantastically designed case. The fact that one designer was able to build a case around that style of fan, and still make it interesting mechanically, and attractive, is a testament to their ability. The style of fan won’t work in any old case, but when designed for it, it’s certainly a great idea. Loved it. Great job Meshless, and great review GN Team
I just realized how much I appreciate that GN doesn't do clickbait titles.
Not finished with the video yet but I gotta give a thumbs up for the Jay-shoutout at 14:45.
Very nice review so far, and a very cool design. I'm personally not that much into sff builds, but it's nice to see some people thinking (and building) outside the box (or, technically, inside the box but differently?)
Steve's barely-contained excitement over this super cool piece of tech is highly contagious
Everything I could ever want in a video: a SFF case, Schlieren photography and a retro encabulator cameo. Seriously great work showing how it works.
Within the first 2 minutes of this video it was already clear that this case was full of good engineering. The rest of the video explained why, great stuff!
Back 17 years ago, we had Cooler Master STF-B01-E1 Cross Flow Fan for the magnificent Stacker case :)
Saw that one and included in here! Did you ever use that one? I remember seeing the Stacker but never got a chance to build in it.
If I remember correctly the cross flow fan required removing the 4x80mm fan door - the cross flow fan is difficult to find so maybe I can adapt this one for one of my two Stackers... :D
@@GamersNexus The first home air conditioner was created in 1910. And this is where such a fan was used for the first time. Now it is used in every air conditioner. But it's nice that someone decided to connect it to a PC
@@GamersNexus I had the Stacker 810 which has this exact same cylindrical fan design. So re=inventing the wheel literally.
I still have the first Coolermaster Stacker, never got that cooler but do have 2 of the hdd bays. In fact I just retired it a few months ago because it's massive and heavy af. Got a Lian Li 216 instead.
I love using radial and tangential blowers in my self-built electrics devices.. don't really understand why they are not more common in PC cases. You can so easily get a broad uniform blanket of wind with only a single motor and thus a single noise source. Glad to see that at least one designer dared to build something different..
i guess since the case and fan are purpose built to go with eachother this kind of tech and customisation would need a shift in the market for existing cooling companies to invest in new tech rather than trying to improve existing fan technology that can be paired with most common cases on the market? just my guess but yeah really cool to see stuff like this.
the motor isn't the source of the noise, the fan blades are. And my hunch is that axial fans are generally more efficient and therefore quieter than tangential blowers, though I don't have any data to back this up.
Dude WTF. Lol this is a whole new level for GN with them demonstration animations. Awesome work!
This case is extremely cool to see! The Schlieren imaging has always been fascinating, but combined with the new animation, this is the kind of educational content that's always great to see. Props to the team!
The world needs way more well thought-out engineering like this!
"They've also been considered for aviation ... But the idea hasn't really gotten off the ground." Really, Steve?!
I really miss the case reviews. This one mostly focused on the novel use of a fan, but I was glad to see any type of case review.
I know you may not see this but genuinely this is awesome. I never imagined Id be such a fan of a channel like yours because I don't do much with my PC besides use it. You make everything so entertaining yet educational its truly wonderful. Thank you for everything you and your team do!
Thank you! We're trying to add more educational content!
I have the same type of fan for a room air fan, about 40" tall. I love how quiet it is, with superior airflow over a pedestal fan.
Vornado makes a cross-flow window fan called the Transom; I bought one off Amazon a few months ago to dump excess heat from my upstairs bedroom during cool/cold weather (my server/network "closet" is in there). Even on high, it doesn't move a huge volume of air given its size (its about 7" x 26" x 5"), but it's just fine for a low-profile fan you can just keep in the window and let it run for weeks/months at a time; they even have an Alexa-enabled version..
The precision and attention to detail with which you do your testing is extremely commendable.
This is a much better review than others I’ve seen. Wouldn’t expect anything less from GN.
The visualizations are awesome. Has been so cool to see the channel grow over the last decade or so that I’ve followed it
This is why we all love y'all! It's so great to see other people nerd out and get excited over a new thing that does nifty science stuff. Also absolutly adore the tech respect for other quality creators.
Try something weird and different is a great innovative tactic.
I'm not at all interested in ITX cases, but wow... I'm impressed. It feels like often innovation in cases means a step forward in one regard and two steps back in every other. This case looks like it meaningfully innovates without major compromise.
Very, very well done.
It's like an episode of How it's made. Love it!
You guys are fast becoming the most educational of home computing and related paraphenalia on YT - easy to understand, great visual aids and some fun visual science stuff - If I were a teacher of computer science / enginieering I would make watching your channel compulsory - even the journalistic stuff of "how not to be a douchebag in the industry". I rarely watch LTT anymore for these very reasons.
I applaud Meshless trying something different! Glad to see it works well (for this specific case).
Cooler Master used to sell a cross-flow fan, called the STF-B01-E1-GP.
Apparently it worked really well back in the day, cooling the entire mobo, and parts attached to it, by a noticeable amount.
No idea how well it would work in this day and age, since mobo and socket area designs have improved since then.
Profit margin off those cheap case fans is some of the highest of the PC hardware industry. That's why everyone who sells cases also sells their own brand of PC fans - they likely make more profit on the fans than the case (that's likely made by the same OEM as your rivals). Plus cases never come with enough fans so, go get some matching ones.
It'd be incredibly risky for an established player to push for this an risk to kill their golden goose.
This is exactly what I am looking for, can't wait for the production release!
This brought back memories of the pcie slot fans and the 5.25 Bay crossflow fans. Love this case design
The metallic sound hurts when u pull the glass panel open.... damn
hahaha, I felt the same. Like nails on a chalkboard!
A Part of me would put the tiniest bit of silicone lub in the rails
Never know, might be some ASMR folks that love it. For me, I agree with SN. Nails on a chalkboard.
Does it.... grind your gears? Heh heh heh heh heh
It's awesome to see animations from Andrew again!
That fan animation is freakin' EPIC! And very effective at helping my understand and visualize this. Really nice work. 💚
Also: really fascinating case, and a good review. Thanks, GN team.
It's wonderful to see genuine innovation go from concept to production. The designer was really thinking like an engineer, and examining the effects of all of his choices. Even at the price, it feels like you're getting a lot.
Your testing is so thorough, complex and insightful. You guys should be proud!
Wow that case is impressively well thought out
Side fumbling prevention is
precisely
precise.
haha love the jayztwocents reference. glad you kept it in captain!
this is the kind of innovation that the itx scene sorely needs. thank you for providing the coverage
^. I vaguely recall back in the day that these tube fans for rooms were heavily marketed as novelty things for living rooms, dorm rooms, and vacume cleaners of all things. It's trippy to see them show up now for computing cooling. Now I wonder why they aren't a option to help cooling, along with those weird and exotic passive coolers that have shown up from time to time. I can't imagine that having tubes, inside case panels for cooling help, would add anything to manufacturing costs. Still want fans or liquid cooling but cross fans and heat pipes to pick up slack should be a thing in SFF and full sized cases.
I am more impressed with the manufacturing of an extruded computer case, this is fabulous!
The tooling necessary to extrude such large aluminum profile is expensive, not to mention the necessary machining of the cut profile later but the result would be a dream case built like a tank.
A freaking monolith of a computer with a very industrial feel to it.
Yeah! As soon as he mentioned that part I completely understood every bit of the cost. Though it looks like it's extruded as a sheet, then some clever bending gets it to the final form factor. Still not easy or cheap!
I was hoping you would test this unique sff case.
Thanks Steve!
12:53 was a legendary addition to your video good sirs... well done. BRAVO!!!
Whoever designed this case clearly put a lot of effort into it. All those nice, little touches all over the place.
I have my mule mugs on the way, can't wait to stay hydrated and support quality reporting!
Ah so you dont like cold drinks I see.
Or perhaps its that you like burning your hands when drinking hot liquids?
@@henrikrasmussen7340 I've never had of a hot Moscow Mule before but I'm sure someone has
Aluminium case with a cross flow fan? We going back to 2004 with this one!
It is the nature of humanity to rediscover the wheel every so often. Nothing wrong with that, if it works!
I'm probably never going to get this case (at least not any time soon), but I LOVE to see innovation and people trying new approaches to fairly uniform design. I feel like there was a period of time between 2018-2021 or so where case innovation really stalled, so seeing people and companies take an interest in this again is awesome!
The animations for the air movement through the fans were so cool! I'm looking forward to more of these!
nice to see a positive video from GM
ITX enthusiasts when:
Really tall blower fan
My coupé heather from the 1970ths that never fails has this kind of fan. Now it is an 240 volt heather with an selector for 0, 500, 800, 1200, and 2000 Watts. Very useful when it get's down to -35C in the winter.
I always find the little touches is what elevates a product since it shows that they've put thought in to it's use rather than just meeting a list of requirements.
"First they take the dingle bop and they smooth it out with a bunch of schleem. The schleem is then repurposed for later batches. They take the dingle bop and they push it through the grumbo, where the fleeb is rubbed against it. It's important that the fleeb is rubbed, becasue the fleeb has all the fleeb juice. Then, a schlami shows up, and he rubs it and spits on it. They cut the fleeb. There's several hizzards in the way. The blamfs rub against the chumbles, and the plubis, and grumbo are shaved away. That leaves you with a regular old plumbus."
Thats about as much as I understood in the animation. :D
This is exactly the type of things I would design if my employer would just give me infinite paid time off LIKE I ASKED
This is hands down the most amazing and complicated package I've ever seen, and all of this is done by one single person is insane
great case and even better review, so nice to have a go-to place with reliable data and well done testing. ty
Interesting tech, the power of Fluid Mechanics...
Air curtain in a case. Cool!
I love how we're one upping LTT's video with useful testing & results. :)
Nice hammered cups
I've wondered why we haven't seen this type of fan in cases before, thanks Steve (and you team ) for both showing this, and such a great explanation of how and why these fans work in this case and may not work in others.
my dehumidifier uses this style and its pretty quiet and airflow is kinda insane
Give me a vertical tower version and I am in!
Something like the NCORE style would be interesting!
But are you in for $350+? The small-form-factor DIY market has proven price-insensitive, and there's no way to make a from-scratch case design cheap, especially with small initial production volume.
Oh man the colors and simple shapes in the 3D model plus the soft music really had a 90s PBS vibe. I love it!
This thing is absolutely wild, completely insane, and truly innovative. Nice.
$360 for a case? I'm not a fan
Same. But it's basically an artisanal piece, so no wonder.
@@Slugbunny Woosh.
God damn, I found myself scrolling down to like the video several times while watching, one of the best videos I've seen from you guys
Some really cool ideas in this case. Thanks for highlighting it.
ITT: techbros discover AC minisplit fan technology :P
Hahaha, we talked about that as one of the main use cases! It's pretty cool to see something purposefully designed around it for a PC, since otherwise they just aren't focused enough normally.
@@GamersNexus they're a really cool design and their form factor lets them be used in certain applications where axial fans just wouldn't be very efficient.
Very clever design this. Hope it turns out well. Now back to the video. Being an internet dweeb I had to post my snarky comment before watching it all. :P
I was expecting a fan review and then you started sliding components out of the side of the case and my brain just glitched. Feels like a throw back to cases that had mobo trays slide in and out of them. Great looking case and I'm sure a lot of people will love them when they get their hands on them. Looks like some small tweaks could still be made, but man how lucky is this designer to be able to vet the product through the GN team!
The schlieren imaging is super appreciated, in addition to the animations. This is a fantastic video and another example of why I always come back to this channel.
This is an engineering nerd's passion project. This is freaking cool. You can really tell they had fun designing it.
Love the camera work in this one! Good work GN team.
Absolute ripper of a review. Very professional. With every aspect covered. As a SFF lover. The tech used in this case is great to see. That slide in GPU is a great idea. And the fact the case won't block the dp cables going in good also. Thanks so much for sharing. Looking forward to this case getting polished.
I do not think it was possible for me to enjoy air flow content more than this! (about half way through the video now) :D .
Could not wait anymore to comment!
Man you guys are just the best! Always out-doing yourself. Schlieren-imaging, your chamber, and now animations?! Can't wait to see where you guys are going next
I would never have expected to see a Schlieren imaging setup in a case review, but I welcome it. It is pretty fun to do, and looks cool. I think all the fan animations do a good job explaining what they need to.
You guys just knock it out the park with your testing methodology. Love it. Would be interested in seeing that fan in a regular case, with flow guides set up ofc - hell, maybe even one top/one bottom or something crazy. Discovery requires experimentation!!
the new cinematography techniques being used definitely add some fun character to this channel
What an awesome and unique idea. Nice to see the ITX space getting so much love
You guys always find a new way to impress with your videos, Really digging this.