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Love those new animations! Hope people keep buying merch so we can one day get Gamers Nexus: The Video Game. It will be a sandbox and physics game where you try to get computers to self-immolate and solve airflow puzzles. And maybe do some investigations of poorly led companies on the side. 😁
I really love when product testers comes up with an experiment and elaborate visual presentation like this one. The video becomes really educational and much more interesting.
@@GamersNexus I've been using this type of fans that I rescue (or repurposed fans that don't swing anymore), for a while on my rigs. I personally love them. But it does require a little work to make them do what you want. The main advantage for me, is that I don't want noise, or specifically a noise that's going to keep me awake. I'm glad that somebody has finally decided to do this also, but not as do it yourself project, rather a correctly engineered and designed product
Aerospace engineering nerd here and a propulsion SME, deeply appreciate the Schlieren photography. This is used extensively in aviation, especially in higher mach flow to observe compression gradients, shock waves, and expansion waves in the flow. Anyways, I can guarantee that the airflow is going to be turbulent, not laminar. But turbulent flow is better for cooling across a heatsink anyways. But this is great, your lit search on the fan tech was amazing to see as an academic!!! That's always the first step lol. Fan tech can get crazy and I absolutely appreciate this case and the testing you have done.
@iCounterProductive great question! So basically fluid cooling has a convection coefficient (natural and forced, natural is no fan or something moving the fluid around), essentially how much energy can be removed for the flow conditions and area. Laminar flow is smooth, so essentially the heat can get trapped in boundary layer and maybe a bit of the freestream flow. Because of this the heat stays more local and drive the coefficient down. Turbulent flow, being more energetic, has eddies and swirls and all that stuff in it so it naturally mixes as it moves across a head spreader. This mixing allows for the heat to be pulled away more easily. In addition, since laminar flow is smooth and straight residence time of the fluid on the heat spreader is at a minimum while turbulent flow has the eddies and swirling the residence time on the heat spreader is just ever so slightly greater since some flow can swirl back onto it.
Basically turbulent airflow is slower and therefore has more time to absorb heat from the fin stack before being ejected. Turbulent air is good in a heatsink, but not great for case fans. Case fans need to move columns of air inside the case quickly so turbulent air doesn't stay in the case so long. If you have bad cable management, this will drive up temps due to the inability to replace hot air with cooler air. Without turbulent air in heatsinks, you would have higher cfm but lower heat rejection. This is also why modern heat pipes have textures inside. It allows the liquid to absorb more heat by staying longer on that surface, and also increases the surface area 3 dimensionally which helps absorbing heat. I'm sure there is math that can tell us the optimal time something should remain on a surface, but I don't know it. This is an oversimplified explanation fyi.
There aren’t enough comments recognizing the ridiculous engineering feat this case is for a single designer new to building cases. They did an incredible job.
Theyre using a furnace/fireplace/propane heat exchange fan, its nothing new.. When PC people realize their 120mm fans aren't the pinnacle of airflow you get comments like these below:
@@thatguy5801 Using the fan type isn’t the impressive part, obviously. I can’t believe I needed to say that. You clearly have never designed and built anything from scratch before
damn, that company must be so proud of the work they put into this and patting themselves on the back after seeing this video. this is basically the highest level of praise they'll ever get, especially from a highly-respected channel such as Gamer Nexus
The excitement is real. A small company doing something different that requires lots of testing and it works. We get a Rockwell Encabulator cameo and a Jay joke. Sounds like this review was fun to put together and it shows throughout the video.
As an HVAC technician I have learned a few things over the years about airflow and the contraptions that move them. Cross-flow fans are designed to operate with little to no static pressure (under .5 in. W.C.) and when you do use them in a high static pressure scenarios they A, significantly reduce the amount of air they are able to move due to the vortices created from the back pressure, and B, the motors burn up prematurely due to high amp draw, created by the static pressure. Also the maintenance to clean these is far more tedious, and balancing can become a nightmare. Axial fans are nice because they can be “customized” from low to high static by changing the shape, pitch, width, and thickness of the blades. Squirrel cage fans are for use in medium to high static pressure, and is the most efficient of the the 3 in regards to moving a given volume of air.
Sizing the motor appropriately for a more constrained flow situation would mitigate the issue of burning the motors up though, no? They would only burn up because they are under rated for the use case.
Dust landing on the blades also impacts balance. It's possible to make them better but soooo many of them are just designed to be as cheap as possible. This one looks so much nicer than any of them I've seen.
@@802Garage No, it wouldn't. HVAC motors usually rely on the airflow they themselves create to cool themselves. Installing a larger motor to theoretically handle a higher load doesn't work when the motor still can't cool itself from restricted airflow, it will just burn up faster. More current equals more heat. That's not even accounting for the ridiculous cost of up sizing a motor, larger motors get expensive quick, and you need all of the heavier duty support equipment for them. Larger wires, larger contactors, bigger breakers and more electricity use. If the motor is subject to fault conditions of heavy restrictions, it needs circuitry to monitor it and shut it off if excessive current draw is detected.
@@GGigabiteM I think the term larger may be doing too much work here. A motor designed for slightly higher torque, but not necessarily much larger, would not require significantly more current to work without overheating, and obviously the cooling design would have to be taken into account as well. If it was impossible, every type of fan would burn up when obstruction was introduced.
I know you may not see this but genuinely this is awesome. I never imagined Id be such a fan of a channel like yours because I don't do much with my PC besides use it. You make everything so entertaining yet educational its truly wonderful. Thank you for everything you and your team do!
Funnily enough, there's an airplane that uses those fans as they are to fly. AFAIK only in RC format, but it's entirely possible that some nutcase tried it for real in the 60's, i've seen a few pictures online.
This is a fantastically designed case. The fact that one designer was able to build a case around that style of fan, and still make it interesting mechanically, and attractive, is a testament to their ability. The style of fan won’t work in any old case, but when designed for it, it’s certainly a great idea. Loved it. Great job Meshless, and great review GN Team
It's wonderful to see genuine innovation go from concept to production. The designer was really thinking like an engineer, and examining the effects of all of his choices. Even at the price, it feels like you're getting a lot.
I'm not sure how to express my adoration for this channel and the whole team behind it without getting.. overly colorful to the point of cringeworthiness. The combination of bulletproof, watertight, spotless, astronomical levels of ethics & morals with the INSANE levels of testing, data gathering, analysis, and production.. it honestly makes me just a little bit emotional every time you upload and I get to watch a new one. Thank you. The tech industry is a better place for your being part of it.
Your air density/flow testing rig is ~ridiculous~, in the best way possible. SO very effective, so very useful. Thanks for showing us what we've always wanted to see with our own eyes, I hope to see more of it being used.👍
@@carlwynia7575 If you have any friends that vape, you can imagine how you can test yourself. I wanted to know if my fans in O11 are hurting or helping, in the sense where does the airflow actually goes.
tech jesus makes revolutionary high quality journalism showing the flow of air by just punching a hole in a soda can there is absolutely nothing steve cant acomplish
This is a much better review than others I’ve seen. Wouldn’t expect anything less from GN. The visualizations are awesome. Has been so cool to see the channel grow over the last decade or so that I’ve followed it
Love the animations, any show or media that involves an animation to show internals and/or how something would function thats otherwise difficult to actually demonstrate just makes it so much more interesting. Hopefully we get to see more in the future?
@@GamersNexus - Two requests: 1. Keep pushing boundaries and raising the standard for how reviews can be. I remember back in the day, findign reviews on blogs... 2. In animations, make arrows rotate axially the same way air vortices would do. And if they change size to indicate pressure change, then it would be (close to) 100%. ;) Thank you for yet another amazing video!
This case is extremely cool to see! The Schlieren imaging has always been fascinating, but combined with the new animation, this is the kind of educational content that's always great to see. Props to the team!
Not finished with the video yet but I gotta give a thumbs up for the Jay-shoutout at 14:45. Very nice review so far, and a very cool design. I'm personally not that much into sff builds, but it's nice to see some people thinking (and building) outside the box (or, technically, inside the box but differently?)
I'm probably never going to get this case (at least not any time soon), but I LOVE to see innovation and people trying new approaches to fairly uniform design. I feel like there was a period of time between 2018-2021 or so where case innovation really stalled, so seeing people and companies take an interest in this again is awesome!
My coupé heather from the 1970ths that never fails has this kind of fan. Now it is an 240 volt heather with an selector for 0, 500, 800, 1200, and 2000 Watts. Very useful when it get's down to -35C in the winter.
I love using radial and tangential blowers in my self-built electrics devices.. don't really understand why they are not more common in PC cases. You can so easily get a broad uniform blanket of wind with only a single motor and thus a single noise source. Glad to see that at least one designer dared to build something different..
i guess since the case and fan are purpose built to go with eachother this kind of tech and customisation would need a shift in the market for existing cooling companies to invest in new tech rather than trying to improve existing fan technology that can be paired with most common cases on the market? just my guess but yeah really cool to see stuff like this.
the motor isn't the source of the noise, the fan blades are. And my hunch is that axial fans are generally more efficient and therefore quieter than tangential blowers, though I don't have any data to back this up.
You guys are fast becoming the most educational of home computing and related paraphenalia on YT - easy to understand, great visual aids and some fun visual science stuff - If I were a teacher of computer science / enginieering I would make watching your channel compulsory - even the journalistic stuff of "how not to be a douchebag in the industry". I rarely watch LTT anymore for these very reasons.
I've wondered why we haven't seen this type of fan in cases before, thanks Steve (and you team ) for both showing this, and such a great explanation of how and why these fans work in this case and may not work in others.
Steve and GN crews making investigative reports while also reviewing PC products in depths while also interviewing actual bts minds of the industry while also occasionally do on-site tours of factories. The contents are top notch. Salute.
Absolute ripper of a review. Very professional. With every aspect covered. As a SFF lover. The tech used in this case is great to see. That slide in GPU is a great idea. And the fact the case won't block the dp cables going in good also. Thanks so much for sharing. Looking forward to this case getting polished.
Vornado makes a cross-flow window fan called the Transom; I bought one off Amazon a few months ago to dump excess heat from my upstairs bedroom during cool/cold weather (my server/network "closet" is in there). Even on high, it doesn't move a huge volume of air given its size (its about 7" x 26" x 5"), but it's just fine for a low-profile fan you can just keep in the window and let it run for weeks/months at a time; they even have an Alexa-enabled version..
As someone that has a career in tech, I strongly approve of a bench power supply on the floor with frayed wires on the contact points. The other side better be alligator clips for full jank points.
I always find the little touches is what elevates a product since it shows that they've put thought in to it's use rather than just meeting a list of requirements.
If I remember correctly the cross flow fan required removing the 4x80mm fan door - the cross flow fan is difficult to find so maybe I can adapt this one for one of my two Stackers... :D
@@GamersNexus The first home air conditioner was created in 1910. And this is where such a fan was used for the first time. Now it is used in every air conditioner. But it's nice that someone decided to connect it to a PC
I still have the first Coolermaster Stacker, never got that cooler but do have 2 of the hdd bays. In fact I just retired it a few months ago because it's massive and heavy af. Got a Lian Li 216 instead.
@@GamersNexus I have 3 Stacker 810's in my case collection (2 standard ones, though I am modding them to stack on one another...yo dawg..and one reverse ATX layout stacker, which was a bit rarer)..I cannot find the old crossflow fan attachment, it wasn't a standard part of the case, it was only optional.
Within the first 2 minutes of this video it was already clear that this case was full of good engineering. The rest of the video explained why, great stuff!
Cooler Master used to sell a cross-flow fan, called the STF-B01-E1-GP. Apparently it worked really well back in the day, cooling the entire mobo, and parts attached to it, by a noticeable amount. No idea how well it would work in this day and age, since mobo and socket area designs have improved since then.
Profit margin off those cheap case fans is some of the highest of the PC hardware industry. That's why everyone who sells cases also sells their own brand of PC fans - they likely make more profit on the fans than the case (that's likely made by the same OEM as your rivals). Plus cases never come with enough fans so, go get some matching ones. It'd be incredibly risky for an established player to push for this an risk to kill their golden goose.
I'm not in the market for a mini-ITX case, but it's a pleasure to watch an organization at the top of their game, and Gamers Nexus kills it with this review. The level of production is extra and the tone is perfect. What a fantastic example of what is clearly the gold standard of computer hardware review!
I'm not at all interested in ITX cases, but wow... I'm impressed. It feels like often innovation in cases means a step forward in one regard and two steps back in every other. This case looks like it meaningfully innovates without major compromise. Very, very well done.
I am more impressed with the manufacturing of an extruded computer case, this is fabulous! The tooling necessary to extrude such large aluminum profile is expensive, not to mention the necessary machining of the cut profile later but the result would be a dream case built like a tank. A freaking monolith of a computer with a very industrial feel to it.
Yeah! As soon as he mentioned that part I completely understood every bit of the cost. Though it looks like it's extruded as a sheet, then some clever bending gets it to the final form factor. Still not easy or cheap!
I would never have expected to see a Schlieren imaging setup in a case review, but I welcome it. It is pretty fun to do, and looks cool. I think all the fan animations do a good job explaining what they need to.
I just want to say how much I love the attention to detail in a review like this. I will never make an ITX form factor build. I will rearrange everything in my space necessary to fit a full-size case with as many of the largest fans as I can in it. But I still love this kind of review, Because GN produces such good content that I learn things that are useful to me even when it’s a product I’m never gonna buy.
This is probably the 10th time he's explained schlieren imagery and I still have no idea what he's talking about. Still funny that all other RUclipsrs use a smoke machine but gamers Nexus was like "nah we need to see the air!"
Steve neglected to point out that the Meshless AIO does in fact have mesh. Shoddy journalism, GN!! That is one seriously cool crossflow fan design, though! A ton of promise for SFF designs now-possibly larger designs in the future. GPUs just doubled in size in two model families, cases are rethinking how to not have them rip themselves out of the slot. Internal expansion is still desired, but not by every user. It might be time to begin rethinking the ATX form factor itself, honestly. All of it suggests some really creative thinking is needed, and if it doesn't start with thermals I don't know what else it would at this point.
This is why we all love y'all! It's so great to see other people nerd out and get excited over a new thing that does nifty science stuff. Also absolutly adore the tech respect for other quality creators. Try something weird and different is a great innovative tactic.
"They've also been considered for aviation use inside the wings of planes, but the idea hasn't really gotten off the ground." Steve, even Jay has got to be facepalming at that dad joke.
It's awesome to see animations from Andrew again! That fan animation is freakin' EPIC! And very effective at helping my understand and visualize this. Really nice work. 💚 Also: really fascinating case, and a good review. Thanks, GN team.
Really cool. Thanks, Steve! (And crew) I think the most interesting things about this are the extruded design and really just the attention and effort in the case. I hope they make a sequel
The schlieren imaging is super appreciated, in addition to the animations. This is a fantastic video and another example of why I always come back to this channel.
"First they take the dingle bop and they smooth it out with a bunch of schleem. The schleem is then repurposed for later batches. They take the dingle bop and they push it through the grumbo, where the fleeb is rubbed against it. It's important that the fleeb is rubbed, becasue the fleeb has all the fleeb juice. Then, a schlami shows up, and he rubs it and spits on it. They cut the fleeb. There's several hizzards in the way. The blamfs rub against the chumbles, and the plubis, and grumbo are shaved away. That leaves you with a regular old plumbus." Thats about as much as I understood in the animation. :D
Crossflow fans are used heavily for high air pressure situations, for examples: air curtain for refregiration storage, HVAC air mover, data center exterior air intake, and many other use. The down side is they generally vibrates a bit more noticable than axial fans, aside that noise is a bit loud. When I was working in OCZ I had this case design with two on these as intakes on both sides so it would just bruteforce all components with high speed high pressure airflow with front pannel area will also start to and called it Raptor(F-22) but didnt go much further than prototype. It's very refreshing to see it making a come back. Motor initiate power usage will need a lot of tinking, and starting torque/vibration will need dedicated damper machanism or a soft start. And no, please do not put LED/ARGB on these. XD in any case, good video as always.
This is an exciting case, thanks for sharing. Bravo to the solo designer behind the Meshless AIO case. I hope to see more of their imagination in future products.
I do not think it was possible for me to enjoy air flow content more than this! (about half way through the video now) :D . Could not wait anymore to comment!
But are you in for $350+? The small-form-factor DIY market has proven price-insensitive, and there's no way to make a from-scratch case design cheap, especially with small initial production volume.
Man you guys are just the best! Always out-doing yourself. Schlieren-imaging, your chamber, and now animations?! Can't wait to see where you guys are going next
I love weird and different. This case seems very clever, practical, and well thought out. I'm glad you guys reviewed it, and I look forward to meshless's future projects.
The quality of GNs videos keeps climbing higher. Also the Retro Encabulator 4th wall break had me laughing hard! I think this is one of the highest praised products I've seen in a while.
I was expecting a fan review and then you started sliding components out of the side of the case and my brain just glitched. Feels like a throw back to cases that had mobo trays slide in and out of them. Great looking case and I'm sure a lot of people will love them when they get their hands on them. Looks like some small tweaks could still be made, but man how lucky is this designer to be able to vet the product through the GN team!
You guys just knock it out the park with your testing methodology. Love it. Would be interested in seeing that fan in a regular case, with flow guides set up ofc - hell, maybe even one top/one bottom or something crazy. Discovery requires experimentation!!
Innovation and change is how we got to where we are now. This is a really neat idea and I think this deserves having a future. I look forward and hope to hear about future changes after all of your research and input.
I love the air density footage! It may not be easily comparable between different cases, but it sure does help visualize whether a case is doing what you expect it to with airflow.
Thanks guys, this video is really well produced and educational. It's something I can show my friend that knows nothing about PCs but enjoys watching engineering docs. Recently, I've been looking into smartphone information since I intend to upgrade my phone and uh, yeah I have an entirely new appreciation for what GN does. Guys that call hardware channels shills would have a stroke if they saw a single smartphone review.
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Whatever you do don't auction off that case.
Don't forget cposs flow fan are also used in gas fireplace
Next create a mini fridge to put the components in
so happy yo see the schlieren
Love those new animations! Hope people keep buying merch so we can one day get Gamers Nexus: The Video Game. It will be a sandbox and physics game where you try to get computers to self-immolate and solve airflow puzzles. And maybe do some investigations of poorly led companies on the side. 😁
I really love when product testers comes up with an experiment and elaborate visual presentation like this one. The video becomes really educational and much more interesting.
Thank you! We needed it internally too to better understand how it worked!
@@GamersNexus I love this channel!!!
You can literally see Steve being excited to show us and being proud of what they did. Can't help but empathize lol
yeah totally appreciate the attention to detail
@@GamersNexus I've been using this type of fans that I rescue (or repurposed fans that don't swing anymore), for a while on my rigs. I personally love them. But it does require a little work to make them do what you want. The main advantage for me, is that I don't want noise, or specifically a noise that's going to keep me awake. I'm glad that somebody has finally decided to do this also, but not as do it yourself project, rather a correctly engineered and designed product
Aerospace engineering nerd here and a propulsion SME, deeply appreciate the Schlieren photography. This is used extensively in aviation, especially in higher mach flow to observe compression gradients, shock waves, and expansion waves in the flow. Anyways, I can guarantee that the airflow is going to be turbulent, not laminar. But turbulent flow is better for cooling across a heatsink anyways. But this is great, your lit search on the fan tech was amazing to see as an academic!!! That's always the first step lol. Fan tech can get crazy and I absolutely appreciate this case and the testing you have done.
I know I might just be able to search for this but was hoping you could elaborate on why turbulent flow is better for cooling heat sinks.
@iCounterProductive great question! So basically fluid cooling has a convection coefficient (natural and forced, natural is no fan or something moving the fluid around), essentially how much energy can be removed for the flow conditions and area. Laminar flow is smooth, so essentially the heat can get trapped in boundary layer and maybe a bit of the freestream flow. Because of this the heat stays more local and drive the coefficient down. Turbulent flow, being more energetic, has eddies and swirls and all that stuff in it so it naturally mixes as it moves across a head spreader. This mixing allows for the heat to be pulled away more easily. In addition, since laminar flow is smooth and straight residence time of the fluid on the heat spreader is at a minimum while turbulent flow has the eddies and swirling the residence time on the heat spreader is just ever so slightly greater since some flow can swirl back onto it.
@@interestingcan That's a lot of run-on sentences.
@@MaxwellTornado hey hey hey, he was very clear he is a true academic.
Basically turbulent airflow is slower and therefore has more time to absorb heat from the fin stack before being ejected. Turbulent air is good in a heatsink, but not great for case fans. Case fans need to move columns of air inside the case quickly so turbulent air doesn't stay in the case so long. If you have bad cable management, this will drive up temps due to the inability to replace hot air with cooler air.
Without turbulent air in heatsinks, you would have higher cfm but lower heat rejection. This is also why modern heat pipes have textures inside. It allows the liquid to absorb more heat by staying longer on that surface, and also increases the surface area 3 dimensionally which helps absorbing heat. I'm sure there is math that can tell us the optimal time something should remain on a surface, but I don't know it.
This is an oversimplified explanation fyi.
There aren’t enough comments recognizing the ridiculous engineering feat this case is for a single designer new to building cases. They did an incredible job.
Theyre using a furnace/fireplace/propane heat exchange fan, its nothing new..
When PC people realize their 120mm fans aren't the pinnacle of airflow you get comments like these below:
@@thatguy5801 Using the fan type isn’t the impressive part, obviously. I can’t believe I needed to say that. You clearly have never designed and built anything from scratch before
@@HCGBecause you know me? lol This case isn't impressive or new, its a furnace/fireplace fan.
@@thatguy5801 So go make one
@@thatguy5801 Yeah, HCG is right, you've clearly never design a product from scratch.
"These cross flow fans have also been used in planes, but the idea hasn't gotten off the ground." Touché' Steve. I see what you did here
LMAO
That joke took off very well.
timed with a shot of the plane getting off the ground no less. It was pretty good :)
It also exist on top over the range microwave. I see similar fan like this on my old GE Microwave.
a child would see the joke,
Steve channeling Retro Encabulator vibes and then being self aware enough to literally add a clip from the vid had me rolling. XD
hahahaha
But no stats on the sinusoidal depleneration!
@@truckerallikatuk Hahahaha fuck yeah
Gotta deal with that side-fumbling some how
@@Jake9066 pretty sure they had some hydro-coptic marsel vanes to address that.
LOL ! @12:52 I was like - "ooh that's a lot of big words" - and then you totally took the piss of your own explanation with the clip after - Bravo!
GN’s really taking things up a notch lately. Every vid just fantastic. Especially the reference to the retro turbo encabulator.
Thank you! Trying to really add some polish with the animations where we can!
Indeed!
damn, that company must be so proud of the work they put into this and patting themselves on the back after seeing this video. this is basically the highest level of praise they'll ever get, especially from a highly-respected channel such as Gamer Nexus
The excitement is real. A small company doing something different that requires lots of testing and it works. We get a Rockwell Encabulator cameo and a Jay joke. Sounds like this review was fun to put together and it shows throughout the video.
The editing was top notch also. Inserting animations or closeups when needed, but not too much - that is a fine art.
"And in planes, but the idea hasn't really gotten off the ground"
I see what you did there, and I love it. Bravo.
As an HVAC technician I have learned a few things over the years about airflow and the contraptions that move them. Cross-flow fans are designed to operate with little to no static pressure (under .5 in. W.C.) and when you do use them in a high static pressure scenarios they A, significantly reduce the amount of air they are able to move due to the vortices created from the back pressure, and B, the motors burn up prematurely due to high amp draw, created by the static pressure. Also the maintenance to clean these is far more tedious, and balancing can become a nightmare. Axial fans are nice because they can be “customized” from low to high static by changing the shape, pitch, width, and thickness of the blades. Squirrel cage fans are for use in medium to high static pressure, and is the most efficient of the the 3 in regards to moving a given volume of air.
Sizing the motor appropriately for a more constrained flow situation would mitigate the issue of burning the motors up though, no? They would only burn up because they are under rated for the use case.
Dust landing on the blades also impacts balance. It's possible to make them better but soooo many of them are just designed to be as cheap as possible. This one looks so much nicer than any of them I've seen.
I wonder if some more ducting would help this fan/case specifically
@@802Garage No, it wouldn't.
HVAC motors usually rely on the airflow they themselves create to cool themselves. Installing a larger motor to theoretically handle a higher load doesn't work when the motor still can't cool itself from restricted airflow, it will just burn up faster. More current equals more heat. That's not even accounting for the ridiculous cost of up sizing a motor, larger motors get expensive quick, and you need all of the heavier duty support equipment for them. Larger wires, larger contactors, bigger breakers and more electricity use.
If the motor is subject to fault conditions of heavy restrictions, it needs circuitry to monitor it and shut it off if excessive current draw is detected.
@@GGigabiteM I think the term larger may be doing too much work here. A motor designed for slightly higher torque, but not necessarily much larger, would not require significantly more current to work without overheating, and obviously the cooling design would have to be taken into account as well. If it was impossible, every type of fan would burn up when obstruction was introduced.
I know you may not see this but genuinely this is awesome. I never imagined Id be such a fan of a channel like yours because I don't do much with my PC besides use it. You make everything so entertaining yet educational its truly wonderful. Thank you for everything you and your team do!
Thank you! We're trying to add more educational content!
14:30 "The Idea hasn't really gotten off the ground" **airplane taking off**
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It literally has gotten off the ground 🤷♂
you got the joke
Funnily enough, there's an airplane that uses those fans as they are to fly. AFAIK only in RC format, but it's entirely possible that some nutcase tried it for real in the 60's, i've seen a few pictures online.
he is right. technically it works, but so far the controls are horrible
This is a fantastically designed case. The fact that one designer was able to build a case around that style of fan, and still make it interesting mechanically, and attractive, is a testament to their ability. The style of fan won’t work in any old case, but when designed for it, it’s certainly a great idea. Loved it. Great job Meshless, and great review GN Team
Seeing Steve excited over reviewing a case is real joy. If anything, this case at least achieved this.
It's wonderful to see genuine innovation go from concept to production. The designer was really thinking like an engineer, and examining the effects of all of his choices. Even at the price, it feels like you're getting a lot.
I'm not sure how to express my adoration for this channel and the whole team behind it without getting.. overly colorful to the point of cringeworthiness. The combination of bulletproof, watertight, spotless, astronomical levels of ethics & morals with the INSANE levels of testing, data gathering, analysis, and production.. it honestly makes me just a little bit emotional every time you upload and I get to watch a new one. Thank you. The tech industry is a better place for your being part of it.
Thank you for the kind words! We will keep pushing for this level of content!
I didn't think that Gamers Nexus could get any better than it already is, but you lovely people just took it to a whole new level! BEST. SHOW. EVER.
Hey, I'm a fan of this.
That's so cool that you're a fan of this
i'm a fan of opel astra F and this looks like it fits :))
This comment blows.
An OnlyFan?
Hyuk
Everything I could ever want in a video: a SFF case, Schlieren photography and a retro encabulator cameo. Seriously great work showing how it works.
Your air density/flow testing rig is ~ridiculous~, in the best way possible. SO very effective, so very useful. Thanks for showing us what we've always wanted to see with our own eyes, I hope to see more of it being used.👍
If it's stupid and it works it's not that stupid.
@@carlwynia7575 If you have any friends that vape, you can imagine how you can test yourself. I wanted to know if my fans in O11 are hurting or helping, in the sense where does the airflow actually goes.
12:53 was a legendary addition to your video good sirs... well done. BRAVO!!!
tech jesus makes revolutionary high quality journalism showing the flow of air by just punching a hole in a soda can
there is absolutely nothing steve cant acomplish
Truly the highest form of engineering.
@@GamersNexus this is the tech way of making water into wine.
he turns light into content
@@GloriousEagle69 Isn't that literally almost all video?
@@jubuttib no its special when steve does it. thanks steve
@@GloriousEagle69 True. Back to you, Steve.
This is a much better review than others I’ve seen. Wouldn’t expect anything less from GN.
The visualizations are awesome. Has been so cool to see the channel grow over the last decade or so that I’ve followed it
Love the animations, any show or media that involves an animation to show internals and/or how something would function thats otherwise difficult to actually demonstrate just makes it so much more interesting.
Hopefully we get to see more in the future?
That's the plan! Any time there's an abstract or complex topic, we're hoping to include those!
Hit up @explainingcomputers on help with educational animations. He does them for his videos.
@@GamersNexus - Two requests:
1. Keep pushing boundaries and raising the standard for how reviews can be. I remember back in the day, findign reviews on blogs...
2. In animations, make arrows rotate axially the same way air vortices would do. And if they change size to indicate pressure change, then it would be (close to) 100%. ;)
Thank you for yet another amazing video!
This case is extremely cool to see! The Schlieren imaging has always been fascinating, but combined with the new animation, this is the kind of educational content that's always great to see. Props to the team!
Not finished with the video yet but I gotta give a thumbs up for the Jay-shoutout at 14:45.
Very nice review so far, and a very cool design. I'm personally not that much into sff builds, but it's nice to see some people thinking (and building) outside the box (or, technically, inside the box but differently?)
I'm probably never going to get this case (at least not any time soon), but I LOVE to see innovation and people trying new approaches to fairly uniform design. I feel like there was a period of time between 2018-2021 or so where case innovation really stalled, so seeing people and companies take an interest in this again is awesome!
Steve's barely-contained excitement over this super cool piece of tech is highly contagious
My coupé heather from the 1970ths that never fails has this kind of fan. Now it is an 240 volt heather with an selector for 0, 500, 800, 1200, and 2000 Watts. Very useful when it get's down to -35C in the winter.
I love using radial and tangential blowers in my self-built electrics devices.. don't really understand why they are not more common in PC cases. You can so easily get a broad uniform blanket of wind with only a single motor and thus a single noise source. Glad to see that at least one designer dared to build something different..
i guess since the case and fan are purpose built to go with eachother this kind of tech and customisation would need a shift in the market for existing cooling companies to invest in new tech rather than trying to improve existing fan technology that can be paired with most common cases on the market? just my guess but yeah really cool to see stuff like this.
the motor isn't the source of the noise, the fan blades are. And my hunch is that axial fans are generally more efficient and therefore quieter than tangential blowers, though I don't have any data to back this up.
Dude WTF. Lol this is a whole new level for GN with them demonstration animations. Awesome work!
You guys are fast becoming the most educational of home computing and related paraphenalia on YT - easy to understand, great visual aids and some fun visual science stuff - If I were a teacher of computer science / enginieering I would make watching your channel compulsory - even the journalistic stuff of "how not to be a douchebag in the industry". I rarely watch LTT anymore for these very reasons.
The world needs way more well thought-out engineering like this!
I've wondered why we haven't seen this type of fan in cases before, thanks Steve (and you team ) for both showing this, and such a great explanation of how and why these fans work in this case and may not work in others.
Steve and GN crews making investigative reports while also reviewing PC products in depths while also interviewing actual bts minds of the industry while also occasionally do on-site tours of factories. The contents are top notch. Salute.
Absolute ripper of a review. Very professional. With every aspect covered. As a SFF lover. The tech used in this case is great to see. That slide in GPU is a great idea. And the fact the case won't block the dp cables going in good also. Thanks so much for sharing. Looking forward to this case getting polished.
I have the same type of fan for a room air fan, about 40" tall. I love how quiet it is, with superior airflow over a pedestal fan.
Vornado makes a cross-flow window fan called the Transom; I bought one off Amazon a few months ago to dump excess heat from my upstairs bedroom during cool/cold weather (my server/network "closet" is in there). Even on high, it doesn't move a huge volume of air given its size (its about 7" x 26" x 5"), but it's just fine for a low-profile fan you can just keep in the window and let it run for weeks/months at a time; they even have an Alexa-enabled version..
As someone that has a career in tech, I strongly approve of a bench power supply on the floor with frayed wires on the contact points. The other side better be alligator clips for full jank points.
I love it when Steve is excited about something different. This video was amazing.
I always find the little touches is what elevates a product since it shows that they've put thought in to it's use rather than just meeting a list of requirements.
Back 17 years ago, we had Cooler Master STF-B01-E1 Cross Flow Fan for the magnificent Stacker case :)
Saw that one and included in here! Did you ever use that one? I remember seeing the Stacker but never got a chance to build in it.
If I remember correctly the cross flow fan required removing the 4x80mm fan door - the cross flow fan is difficult to find so maybe I can adapt this one for one of my two Stackers... :D
@@GamersNexus The first home air conditioner was created in 1910. And this is where such a fan was used for the first time. Now it is used in every air conditioner. But it's nice that someone decided to connect it to a PC
I still have the first Coolermaster Stacker, never got that cooler but do have 2 of the hdd bays. In fact I just retired it a few months ago because it's massive and heavy af. Got a Lian Li 216 instead.
@@GamersNexus I have 3 Stacker 810's in my case collection (2 standard ones, though I am modding them to stack on one another...yo dawg..and one reverse ATX layout stacker, which was a bit rarer)..I cannot find the old crossflow fan attachment, it wasn't a standard part of the case, it was only optional.
Within the first 2 minutes of this video it was already clear that this case was full of good engineering. The rest of the video explained why, great stuff!
Cooler Master used to sell a cross-flow fan, called the STF-B01-E1-GP.
Apparently it worked really well back in the day, cooling the entire mobo, and parts attached to it, by a noticeable amount.
No idea how well it would work in this day and age, since mobo and socket area designs have improved since then.
Profit margin off those cheap case fans is some of the highest of the PC hardware industry. That's why everyone who sells cases also sells their own brand of PC fans - they likely make more profit on the fans than the case (that's likely made by the same OEM as your rivals). Plus cases never come with enough fans so, go get some matching ones.
It'd be incredibly risky for an established player to push for this an risk to kill their golden goose.
I'm not in the market for a mini-ITX case, but it's a pleasure to watch an organization at the top of their game, and Gamers Nexus kills it with this review. The level of production is extra and the tone is perfect. What a fantastic example of what is clearly the gold standard of computer hardware review!
I'm not at all interested in ITX cases, but wow... I'm impressed. It feels like often innovation in cases means a step forward in one regard and two steps back in every other. This case looks like it meaningfully innovates without major compromise.
Very, very well done.
I am more impressed with the manufacturing of an extruded computer case, this is fabulous!
The tooling necessary to extrude such large aluminum profile is expensive, not to mention the necessary machining of the cut profile later but the result would be a dream case built like a tank.
A freaking monolith of a computer with a very industrial feel to it.
Yeah! As soon as he mentioned that part I completely understood every bit of the cost. Though it looks like it's extruded as a sheet, then some clever bending gets it to the final form factor. Still not easy or cheap!
I would never have expected to see a Schlieren imaging setup in a case review, but I welcome it. It is pretty fun to do, and looks cool. I think all the fan animations do a good job explaining what they need to.
As a certified Turbo Encabulator operator and technician, I approve of this video.
I just want to say how much I love the attention to detail in a review like this. I will never make an ITX form factor build. I will rearrange everything in my space necessary to fit a full-size case with as many of the largest fans as I can in it. But I still love this kind of review, Because GN produces such good content that I learn things that are useful to me even when it’s a product I’m never gonna buy.
It's like an episode of How it's made. Love it!
The animations for the air movement through the fans were so cool! I'm looking forward to more of these!
This is probably the 10th time he's explained schlieren imagery and I still have no idea what he's talking about.
Still funny that all other RUclipsrs use a smoke machine but gamers Nexus was like "nah we need to see the air!"
Schlieren imagery is like magic!
What about magnets?
@@woldemunster9244 We'll let you know when we figure out how they work...
Ask ICP lol @@GamersNexus
yes thats the joke 🤦♀️
Oh man the colors and simple shapes in the 3D model plus the soft music really had a 90s PBS vibe. I love it!
Remember to not acidentially auction off this prototype case (potentially to a case maker) after promising to send it back after the review.
"But the company is probably going bankrupt anyways"
oof size: eATX full tower
I applaud Meshless trying something different! Glad to see it works well (for this specific case).
The metallic sound hurts when u pull the glass panel open.... damn
hahaha, I felt the same. Like nails on a chalkboard!
A Part of me would put the tiniest bit of silicone lub in the rails
Never know, might be some ASMR folks that love it. For me, I agree with SN. Nails on a chalkboard.
Does it.... grind your gears? Heh heh heh heh heh
Steve neglected to point out that the Meshless AIO does in fact have mesh. Shoddy journalism, GN!! That is one seriously cool crossflow fan design, though! A ton of promise for SFF designs now-possibly larger designs in the future.
GPUs just doubled in size in two model families, cases are rethinking how to not have them rip themselves out of the slot. Internal expansion is still desired, but not by every user. It might be time to begin rethinking the ATX form factor itself, honestly. All of it suggests some really creative thinking is needed, and if it doesn't start with thermals I don't know what else it would at this point.
I LIKE BOATS!
This is why we all love y'all! It's so great to see other people nerd out and get excited over a new thing that does nifty science stuff. Also absolutly adore the tech respect for other quality creators.
Try something weird and different is a great innovative tactic.
"They've also been considered for aviation use inside the wings of planes, but the idea hasn't really gotten off the ground."
Steve, even Jay has got to be facepalming at that dad joke.
You guys always find a new way to impress with your videos, Really digging this.
It's awesome to see animations from Andrew again!
That fan animation is freakin' EPIC! And very effective at helping my understand and visualize this. Really nice work. 💚
Also: really fascinating case, and a good review. Thanks, GN team.
This brought back memories of the pcie slot fans and the 5.25 Bay crossflow fans. Love this case design
"They've also been considered for aviation ... But the idea hasn't really gotten off the ground." Really, Steve?!
Really cool. Thanks, Steve! (And crew)
I think the most interesting things about this are the extruded design and really just the attention and effort in the case. I hope they make a sequel
Side fumbling prevention is
precisely
precise.
This is hands down the most amazing and complicated package I've ever seen, and all of this is done by one single person is insane
nice to see a positive video from GM
The schlieren imaging is super appreciated, in addition to the animations. This is a fantastic video and another example of why I always come back to this channel.
"First they take the dingle bop and they smooth it out with a bunch of schleem. The schleem is then repurposed for later batches. They take the dingle bop and they push it through the grumbo, where the fleeb is rubbed against it. It's important that the fleeb is rubbed, becasue the fleeb has all the fleeb juice. Then, a schlami shows up, and he rubs it and spits on it. They cut the fleeb. There's several hizzards in the way. The blamfs rub against the chumbles, and the plubis, and grumbo are shaved away. That leaves you with a regular old plumbus."
Thats about as much as I understood in the animation. :D
Crossflow fans are used heavily for high air pressure situations, for examples: air curtain for refregiration storage, HVAC air mover, data center exterior air intake, and many other use.
The down side is they generally vibrates a bit more noticable than axial fans, aside that noise is a bit loud. When I was working in OCZ I had this case design with two on these as intakes on both sides so it would just bruteforce all components with high speed high pressure airflow with front pannel area will also start to and called it Raptor(F-22) but didnt go much further than prototype. It's very refreshing to see it making a come back.
Motor initiate power usage will need a lot of tinking, and starting torque/vibration will need dedicated damper machanism or a soft start. And no, please do not put LED/ARGB on these. XD in any case, good video as always.
Aluminium case with a cross flow fan? We going back to 2004 with this one!
It is the nature of humanity to rediscover the wheel every so often. Nothing wrong with that, if it works!
that looks like it would make a awesome pc/heater in the winter time.
ITX enthusiasts when:
Really tall blower fan
This is exactly what I am looking for, can't wait for the production release!
my dehumidifier uses this style and its pretty quiet and airflow is kinda insane
Yeah, my small Rowenta Tower Fan also uses it, quite and massive airflow.
This is an exciting case, thanks for sharing. Bravo to the solo designer behind the Meshless AIO case. I hope to see more of their imagination in future products.
Interesting tech, the power of Fluid Mechanics...
I do not think it was possible for me to enjoy air flow content more than this! (about half way through the video now) :D .
Could not wait anymore to comment!
Give me a vertical tower version and I am in!
Something like the NCORE style would be interesting!
But are you in for $350+? The small-form-factor DIY market has proven price-insensitive, and there's no way to make a from-scratch case design cheap, especially with small initial production volume.
Man you guys are just the best! Always out-doing yourself. Schlieren-imaging, your chamber, and now animations?! Can't wait to see where you guys are going next
@2:46 wait, you didn't steal the designer's product and then sell it in an auction? Pssssh. Not even a real tech reviewer, shame shame :P
Nice linus tech tips shout out.
I love weird and different. This case seems very clever, practical, and well thought out. I'm glad you guys reviewed it, and I look forward to meshless's future projects.
Air curtain in a case. Cool!
Excellent review and kudos to the designer, they look to have put much more thought into making a case that works than most well known manufacturers.
$360 for a case? I'm not a fan
Same. But it's basically an artisanal piece, so no wonder.
@@Slugbunny Woosh.
The quality of GNs videos keeps climbing higher.
Also the Retro Encabulator 4th wall break had me laughing hard!
I think this is one of the highest praised products I've seen in a while.
God damn, I found myself scrolling down to like the video several times while watching, one of the best videos I've seen from you guys
haha love the jayztwocents reference. glad you kept it in captain!
I was expecting a fan review and then you started sliding components out of the side of the case and my brain just glitched. Feels like a throw back to cases that had mobo trays slide in and out of them. Great looking case and I'm sure a lot of people will love them when they get their hands on them. Looks like some small tweaks could still be made, but man how lucky is this designer to be able to vet the product through the GN team!
The HOW IT WORKS section was epic. Loved the music and animations and the jokes.
Your testing is so thorough, complex and insightful. You guys should be proud!
the new cinematography techniques being used definitely add some fun character to this channel
I really miss the case reviews. This one mostly focused on the novel use of a fan, but I was glad to see any type of case review.
You guys just knock it out the park with your testing methodology. Love it. Would be interested in seeing that fan in a regular case, with flow guides set up ofc - hell, maybe even one top/one bottom or something crazy. Discovery requires experimentation!!
Innovation and change is how we got to where we are now. This is a really neat idea and I think this deserves having a future. I look forward and hope to hear about future changes after all of your research and input.
I love the air density footage! It may not be easily comparable between different cases, but it sure does help visualize whether a case is doing what you expect it to with airflow.
Thanks guys, this video is really well produced and educational. It's something I can show my friend that knows nothing about PCs but enjoys watching engineering docs. Recently, I've been looking into smartphone information since I intend to upgrade my phone and uh, yeah I have an entirely new appreciation for what GN does. Guys that call hardware channels shills would have a stroke if they saw a single smartphone review.