I had the honor of meeting Miss Farmer when she was a hostess for an Indianapolis TV show. She gave me a photo of herself and signed it. A very beautiful and kind woman !
The worst part of this is that she didn’t know she had the right to leave that horror of a hospital years before she did. Her mother led her to believe that she needed her mother’s permission to leave. So horrible.
Frances & so many others.....😮 😮 😢 & even today abuse continues....for example, prescription drugs often {but not always} do more harm than good.... families must stick together & watch out for one another....dont let the flawed system kill you !!!!!
Frances farmer was absolutely stunning the way that she was treated was absolutely horrific bless her soul rest in peace you are an inspiration.Hollywood wanted her to play ball she went against them and paid the ultimate price like so many other A liters of Hollywood unfortunately.
She said on this is your life ...That she wasn't an abuser of drugs and alcohol and she was miss diagnosed by the hospital and had to work to get better on her own. When she was on that show. Much of what was being said about her must of been lies, because her facial expressions were her looking bewildered and angry by what was being said. It sounds to me like a women who wouldn't play the hollywood games so they went after her. I'm sure they had her arrested and hospitalized to silence her.
Such a tragic and beautiful lady. She's my favorite Golden Age Hollywood actress. I have been to her grave here in Indiana. I hope she found eternal peace.........Thank you for posting
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I just looked up Frances Farmer's natal astro chart. She had Mars conjunct Pluto - 1* apart in Cancer, no less! Mars: "When this dominant is not well integrated, it may bring about an aggressive or impulsive behaviour. Therefore, you must learn to control your hyper-sensitivity and your fits of temper. You are also endowed with Marsian qualities: the fighting spirit and the taste for duel without which one may find oneself overwhelmed by events." She has EP, ASC, her natal Sun, and Mercury (her mind) in Virgo which can cause a lot of highly critical thinking that can kinda drive one crazy. Janduz says the following about her Virgo Sun: "One has numerous and mighty enemies. The more victorious one is, the more hatred one arouses. The rise to power and fame goes hand in hand with loss of happiness. This degree is influenced by two fixed stars, Benetnash and Labrum. The former portends fights, oppression and violent death." and her Moon: "...self-leniency and excesses of all sorts bring about many a trouble." Task Master Saturn: "this degree heralds that years of prosperity are followed by ruin and destitution." Her Mars in the 10th House: "If you go looking for trouble, you'll get it. The most important thing for you is to show your fighting spirit, and to assert your rights and ambitions whether other people like it or not. You display dynamism, and at times, impulsiveness. " Mars Degree: '"A woman dressed in black is desperately weeping on a sofa, a bunch of withered flowers in her hand." (Janduz version) Her Venus by Janduz: "Naive, indecisive, and weak character. Dangers and deceits crop up since childhood. They come from outsiders but also from the family circle. One tends to seek help from the very people who are envious and willing to harm. It is strongly recommended not to trust anyone, and never to talk about one's successes, even with family members, because some relatives covet the assets of the person born under the influence of this degree. Should the natal chart concur, a sudden disease such as meningitis may affect the head." RIP Frances Farmer. 💐
@@JesseLewisACTOR Sorry, I can't do that but I can tell you how you can. Google 'my natal chart' and fill out the basic birth info they ask for and your chart will come up. Then you can read the free info they give you like at astrotheme (my fave) And you can then type any aspect you have like 'Moon opposite Pluto' into RUclips and you'll find videos to watch about it.
I don't know why they deleted my reply to you. I'm sorry I can't do that but I suggest starting at cafe astrology which is free and helps beginners understand their chart.
It’s so relieving to know that you’re leaving SOOUN AS YOU GET PAAIIIIIIID! It’s so reláxing, to hear that your áskin Wheneva you get your waaaaaaaay! It’s so sOOOthing, to know that you sue starting to sound the saaaaaame!
I recall watching "Frances Farmer Presents" on Channel 6 ( NBC ) occasionally. One time she did appear blurry-eyed and slurring her slow careful words. Shortly after that the show was taken over by a gentleman named Bernie Herman. May God rest her tormented soul.
I strongly encourage anyone interested in Frances's life to rent Jessica Lange's portrayal of her in the movie "Frances". When you finish watching the movie you will be haunted for days how could someone be tortured to live such a life. BTW----Trivia on Kurt Cobain----he was so fascinated by Frances Farmer that he named his only child with Courtney Love ----> Frances.
As a psychotherapist, I empathize deeply with the plight of patients who were imprisoned against their will in horrid conditions. I would expect sexual abuse because she was a beautiful woman in the control of mad scientists. It was a time when people who ran these places took power over their patients and felt they were justified. It wasn’t right but, like with any history, it happened, we learned from it and now people are not involuntarily hospitalized. There are situations, such as in court with criminals, and when someone has guardianship. We have medications now and these places are much more humane. I visited a state hospital in 1980, and have since seen them as a social worker and to tour one to give to people as a resource in my practice. It is like night and day from what I saw in 1980. Psychology has come a long way. It is much more humane. Thankfully. Maybe almost in memory of Frances.
It's very likely she had bipolar syndrome. A lot of people with bipolar are very misunderstood very difficult to deal with if you've ever lived with one and very argumentative and disruptive at times. I realize now they can't help it but it could be misconstrued as just a difficult personality or drug addiction
So now, they saying that Frances Farmer didn't get a lobotomy? And after that film about her with Jessica Lange said she did. It wasn't history, it was HOLLYWOOD!
One sad story. Her institutional commitment was horrible. The abuse she had thrusted on her. Part of it said orderlies had John's pay them to use her. Her writings also got her in deep water. Many today never heard of her. Her stories of a patch work of truths, lies and exaggerations
I hate to say this but I think she suffered from mental illness however ,I don't think that doctors or the public understood someone who may have been suffering from a disease such as drug or alcohol addiction. I think back at this day and time they thought the person was crazy. They did not believe the victim , only believing what family members were saying. I understand this when someone in my family was 302 for things they said , when maybe they didn't mean them but were angry at the time and they said thing's they didn't mean. However because someone reported them police came and took them away. So I can understand how Francis Farmer may have felt.
Yes. I was in my early twenties when Frances Bean Cobain was born and both Kurt and Courtney confirmed in interviews that their daughter was named after Frances Farmer.
Watching this it seems what she really needed was a lawyer to look out for her and her rights and defend her against the system that was trying to destroy her. Such a shame. I visit her grave from time to time and think about what she could have been without all those years the system stole from her.
I think she was great!!! I'd seen the movie of her life in the 70s. I was a teen & after that I watched & listened to & read about everything I could on her. She was just a misunderstood farm girl from the Midwest with an Over Bearing, Old Wanna Be, Hateful,Jealous Mother who used her Precious Daughters Fame & Story to fuel her own lies & control issues. Now days that old bag wouldn't be allowed to do those horrible things to her daughter just because she would not conform to her rules. She lied on her & whatever it took to have her locked up & tortured until she did. IT is a sad & all too true Hollywood Story.
@@slytherinsalazar4668 no it isn't..Kurt was a big fan of Francis as she was also from Seattle he was familiar with her story and felt kindred to her. Love got married in one of her vintage dresses that had belonged to Francis and Kurt and Courtney both said that Francis was named after Francis..next your gonna day that Francis farmer will have her revenge on Seattle wasn't about Francis farmer either right...
I think refusing to " Follow Hollywood Rules' They made her pay and she gave them an opportunity. If you look at the Studios back then? Actors have done far worse and the Studios back then was quick to silence it.. Paramount did nothing...
There was not proper help for her. She was tortured in those hospitals. Anyone would fight for their life in that!!! I am furious at Hollywood for using her like that!
I had the honor of meeting Miss Farmer when she was a hostess for an Indianapolis TV show. She gave me a photo of herself and signed it. A very beautiful and kind woman !
The worst part of this is that she didn’t know she had the right to leave that horror of a hospital years before she did. Her mother led her to believe that she needed her mother’s permission to leave. So horrible.
I understand that they also needed multiple doctors to sign a release form? Mental institutions in those days were prisons!
They conveniently released her when her parents needed to be taken care of!!
Frances & so many others.....😮 😮 😢
& even today abuse continues....for example, prescription drugs often {but not always} do more harm than good.... families must stick together & watch out for one another....dont let the flawed system kill you !!!!!
Frances farmer was absolutely stunning the way that she was treated was absolutely horrific bless her soul rest in peace you are an inspiration.Hollywood wanted her to play ball she went against them and paid the ultimate price like so many other A liters of Hollywood unfortunately.
She said on this is your life ...That she wasn't an abuser of drugs and alcohol and she was miss diagnosed by the hospital and had to work to get better on her own. When she was on that show. Much of what was being said about her must of been lies, because her facial expressions were her looking bewildered and angry by what was being said. It sounds to me like a women who wouldn't play the hollywood games so they went after her. I'm sure they had her arrested and hospitalized to silence her.
They say Natalie Wood was silenced for opening up about being raped by a very popular actor.
Amen
What a Beautiful damaged Soul that was gone to soon...😞😞😞
What a misunderstood suffered beauty *
May she rest in peace 🌹🖤🎭
I live in Indianapolis and I remember Francis Farmers afternoon show interesting and sad background on her!
Such a tragic and beautiful lady. She's my favorite Golden Age Hollywood actress. I have been to her grave here in Indiana. I hope she found eternal peace.........Thank you for posting
Thank you for your beautiful message to Frances Farmer and thanks for watching! We're so glad you enjoyed this video. What other types of videos would you like to see?
I just looked up Frances Farmer's natal astro chart. She had Mars conjunct Pluto - 1* apart in Cancer, no less!
Mars: "When this dominant is not well integrated, it may bring about an aggressive or impulsive behaviour. Therefore, you must learn to control your hyper-sensitivity and your fits of temper. You are also endowed with Marsian qualities: the fighting spirit and the taste for duel without which one may find oneself overwhelmed by events."
She has EP, ASC, her natal Sun, and Mercury (her mind) in Virgo which can cause a lot of highly critical thinking that can kinda drive one crazy.
Janduz says the following about her Virgo Sun:
"One has numerous and mighty enemies. The more victorious one is, the more hatred one arouses. The rise to power and fame goes hand in hand with loss of happiness. This degree is influenced by two fixed stars, Benetnash and Labrum. The former portends fights, oppression and violent death."
and her Moon: "...self-leniency and excesses of all sorts bring about many a trouble."
Task Master Saturn: "this degree heralds that years of prosperity are followed by ruin and destitution."
Her Mars in the 10th House: "If you go looking for trouble, you'll get it. The most important thing for you is to show your fighting spirit, and to assert your rights and ambitions whether other people like it or not. You display dynamism, and at times, impulsiveness. "
Mars Degree: '"A woman dressed in black is desperately weeping on a sofa, a bunch of withered flowers in her hand." (Janduz version)
Her Venus by Janduz: "Naive, indecisive, and weak character. Dangers and deceits crop up since childhood. They come from outsiders but also from the family circle. One tends to seek help from the very people who are envious and willing to harm. It is strongly recommended not to trust anyone, and never to talk about one's successes, even with family members, because some relatives covet the assets of the person born under the influence of this degree. Should the natal chart concur, a sudden disease such as meningitis may affect the head."
RIP Frances Farmer. 💐
Thank you for sharing this. Can you help me with my chart?
@@JesseLewisACTOR Sorry, I can't do that but I can tell you how you can.
Google 'my natal chart' and fill out the basic birth info they ask for and your chart will come up.
Then you can read the free info they give you like at astrotheme (my fave)
And you can then type any aspect you have like 'Moon opposite Pluto' into RUclips and you'll find videos to watch about it.
I don't know why they deleted my reply to you.
I'm sorry I can't do that but I suggest starting at cafe astrology which is free and helps beginners understand their chart.
@@websurfer5772 thank your for replying and the info 🙏🏾 much appreciated
Loved her style & acting skills
She was very beautiful and talented‼🤗❤
Will Frances Farmer have her revenge on Seattle?
I miss the comfort of being sad!!!!!!!!!!
yes she will return as fire, to burn all the liars...
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It’s so relieving to know that you’re leaving SOOUN AS YOU GET PAAIIIIIIID!
It’s so reláxing, to hear that your áskin
Wheneva you get your waaaaaaaay!
It’s so sOOOthing, to know that you sue starting to sound the saaaaaame!
I recall watching "Frances Farmer Presents" on Channel 6 ( NBC ) occasionally. One time she did appear blurry-eyed and slurring her slow careful words. Shortly after that the show was taken over by a gentleman named Bernie Herman. May God rest her tormented soul.
She had cancer and worked on the show up until 1 week before her death
She was gorgeous and pure class. Terrible what happened to her. Don’t know why…
We absolutely agree! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Be safe and enjoy the rest of your evening!☺
Narcissistic mother and a strong-willed daughter.
Frances Farmer is buried at Oaklawn Memorial Cemetery in Fishers, Indiana. Her body rests in the Mausoleum, on the lower right side as you enter.
Thank you for the info
May she RIP *
I strongly encourage anyone interested in Frances's life to rent Jessica Lange's portrayal of her in the movie "Frances".
When you finish watching the movie you will be haunted for days how could someone be tortured to live such a life.
BTW----Trivia on Kurt Cobain----he was so fascinated by Frances Farmer that he named his only child with Courtney Love ----> Frances.
Frances Cobain was named after Frances McKee… the guitar player in the band The Vaselines.
@@tzillacapone7066 it was a mix of both people his mom said he was kinda obsessed with Farmer and loved the other as a friend
Wow this story has a lot of similarities to Britney Spears it is amazing how Evil one or both of your parents can become when you become famous.
Oh wow
I watched the movie about her 3 months ago. Jessica Lange played her in the movie. So sad, what she went through. 😞
It's really sad, Meet Virginia
You should read her original story it's horrific but very detailed
I saw the TV movie, "Will There Really be a Morning?". I believe it is much better made. It is truer to her autobiography.
As a psychotherapist, I empathize deeply with the plight of patients who were imprisoned against their will in horrid conditions. I would expect sexual abuse because she was a beautiful woman in the control of mad scientists. It was a time when people who ran these places took power over their patients and felt they were justified. It wasn’t right but, like with any history, it happened, we learned from it and now people are not involuntarily hospitalized. There are situations, such as in court with criminals, and when someone has guardianship. We have medications now and these places are much more humane. I visited a state hospital in 1980, and have since seen them as a social worker and to tour one to give to people as a resource in my practice. It is like night and day from what I saw in 1980. Psychology has come a long way. It is much more humane. Thankfully. Maybe almost in memory of Frances.
Very interesting, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. What other types of video would you like to see on our channel?
@@FactsVerse I like documentaries but I can't think of someone off hand. Maybe more biographies?
You could say she was yesterday's Britney Spears.
Wow so sad
It's very likely she had bipolar syndrome. A lot of people with bipolar are very misunderstood very difficult to deal with if you've ever lived with one and very argumentative and disruptive at times. I realize now they can't help it but it could be misconstrued as just a difficult personality or drug addiction
So now, they saying that Frances Farmer didn't get a lobotomy? And after that film about her with Jessica Lange said she did.
It wasn't history, it was HOLLYWOOD!
RIP......!
Man her Mom was a physo not her
That's right.
One sad story. Her institutional commitment was horrible. The abuse she had thrusted on her. Part of it said orderlies had John's pay them to use her. Her writings also got her in deep water. Many today never heard of her. Her stories of a patch work of truths, lies and exaggerations
My favorite beauty from the 1930s
I hate to say this but I think she suffered from mental illness however ,I don't think that doctors or the public understood someone who may have been suffering from a disease such as drug or alcohol addiction. I think back at this day and time they thought the person was crazy. They did not believe the victim , only believing what family members were saying. I understand this when someone in my family was 302 for things they said , when maybe they didn't mean them but were angry at the time and they said thing's they didn't mean. However because someone reported them police came and took them away. So I can understand how Francis Farmer may have felt.
302?
Did Kurt Cobain name his daughter after Frances Farmer??.
He actually named her after Frances McKee from his favorite band, the Vaselines.
@@negativearms thanks for the reply 👍
Yes. I was in my early twenties when Frances Bean Cobain was born and both Kurt and Courtney confirmed in interviews that their daughter was named after Frances Farmer.
I have the autobiography. Yet to read it though
Watch the movie. . . . .It is soooo f***ing great!!!!!!!!!!!
Watching this it seems what she really needed was a lawyer to look out for her and her rights and defend her against the system that was trying to destroy her. Such a shame. I visit her grave from time to time and think about what she could have been without all those years the system stole from her.
I think she was great!!! I'd seen the movie of her life in the 70s. I was a teen & after that I watched & listened to & read about everything I could on her. She was just a misunderstood farm girl from the Midwest with an Over Bearing, Old Wanna Be, Hateful,Jealous Mother who used her Precious Daughters Fame & Story to fuel her own lies & control issues. Now days that old bag wouldn't be allowed to do those horrible things to her daughter just because she would not conform to her rules. She lied on her & whatever it took to have her locked up & tortured until she did. IT is a sad & all too true Hollywood Story.
Fances Frarmer
Kurt Cobain's little girl was named after the late Ms.Farmer!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is fake!
@@slytherinsalazar4668 Whatever, honey!!!
@@slytherinsalazar4668 no it isn't..Kurt was a big fan of Francis as she was also from Seattle he was familiar with her story and felt kindred to her.
Love got married in one of her vintage dresses that had belonged to Francis and Kurt and Courtney both said that Francis was named after Francis..next your gonna day that Francis farmer will have her revenge on Seattle wasn't about Francis farmer either right...
Voo zoo I remember when Francis was born and Kurt and Courtney both said in interviews they named her after Francis farmer.
I think refusing to " Follow Hollywood Rules' They made her pay and she gave them an opportunity. If you look at the Studios back then? Actors have done far worse and the Studios back then was quick to silence it.. Paramount did nothing...
It so soothing to know that you’ll sue me as sue as you get paid
Frances Farmer will have her revenge on Seattle
There was not proper help for her. She was tortured in those hospitals. Anyone would fight for their life in that!!! I am furious at Hollywood for using her like that!
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Sad
Nx
It’s pronounced with ‘a-‘ lee, not Ollie
Who's here because of nirvana?
Frances was a lot troubled like Judy Garland 😢😵💫
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