How To Set Up a 4G LTE Antenna for Best Performance
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Setting up a 4G antenna can be a frustrating process. You’re working with forces you can’t see and results are often hit and miss. In this video, we give you some quick, actionable tips to improve your antenna performance.
Timestamps:
Establish where your local cell masts are 00:42
Adjust the mounting position with these guidelines:
Situate close to the modem 01:41
Mount outside if possible 01:58
If not, mount on a window 02:13
Mount high up 02:28
Establish as clear a line of sight as possible to the cell mast 03:00
Don’t rule out ‘wrong’ locations 03:18
Create an array for performance gains 03:44
Choose a quality antenna-modem cable 04:45
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Brilliant tutorial. I have just moved to a rural area where the source mast is on the top of a hill within a farm, between us and the farm are many trees (and an upward sloping hillside). The 4G lte antenna and your guidance has improved my WiFi no end, many thanks.
That's great to hear Philip! We're really glad to hear you've managed to improve your WiFi. Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment. We really appreciate it 👍
Thank for cell tower to sim router ... antenna lessons. I just learn more about antenna options finding your RUclips channel. Like your style, and the comment section :+)
Thank you for this great video.
I'd add that height is not as important as might be assumed. Higher height means better signal, but also greater noise, and 3G onwards tech is highly dependent on controlling noise aka SNR. So finding a location on side of a house, directed to a local mast but blocking others, might actually improve performance.
I have a 45dbi lte mimo antenna. I'm using the sprint mifi 8000. I know it's meant for rural areas, theres been more good days than most. My problem is that since it's a high gain antenna I have to try to detune this with 4 sets of plastic bags outside my window within the shade. I had a sweet spot of 45mbps down and 5 up. So I would have to get a longer ts9 set of cables and set this up to a satellite dish for a higher clear site so I can get better quality. And for continuous connection for my streaming.
4:14 should be +/-22.5° from vertical. Positioning them +/-45° will make antenna pairs align in the same polarisation planes.
Think the point here is that cellular operators all use 45deg in their antennas since 2g. Originally this was to save having 2x space diverse and the problems that provided
Hi if doing a 4 x 4 array can I mix xpol 1 and 2 or do they have to be the same? Would I just connect one of the two cables attached to each Ariel?
I bought a Poynting Antenna and a Huawei router to use on my canal boat as internal reception is virtually nill.I use a Smarty unlimited data SIM (£15pcm) and WI fi calling so my costs are max £15 a month and the improvement over just using a mi fi or my phone is fantastic. I also bought a magnetic pole to mount the antenna on.
My only criticism is the low tech fitting Poynting supply to mount the antenna on the pole. It looks cheap and unsightly. They could have made a plastic cover to match the main one and just screw it through to clamp it. In the end I just used white cable ties and trimmed them down.
That’s exactly what im about to do in my van and house! Did you need to update the cables that was supplied with the antenna or were they ok?
I live on a narrowboat too and I've just purchased the A-XPOL-0001-V2-21
The cables(2off) are not flagged does it matter which way they fit to the router?
I recently configured my Cudy single cell band LT500D WiFi Router w a MINT Sim; & obtained 20 Mbps download at upstairs window facing T-Mobile tower about 2 miles away. Then got 30 Mbps with an outdoor Omni Directional Antenna. Gona try a Directional Antenna next :+)
What about the 4G modem going to tell us anything about and how to connect it to this device
Is this an option for a holiday static caravan with no Royal Mail address also poor mobile data signal? We are desperate for options
Hi there, I would like to ask what is the best cable to use as an extension between the antenna and wifi hub as standard cable supplied is not long enough? I would really appreciate any help that you can give me. thanks, Sir.
Junior J-R LMR600. Check the attenuation rate though and pick something that has as little attenuation as possible
I did some testing, loss and throughput tests on RG174, rg58 and lmr400 cables. The benefits of the huge increase in costs of the lmr400 (vs improvement) are not worth it unless you have a long cable run or are using 5G. The RG58 is a good all rounder. Poynting use similar maybe higher quality cable, but you want to check the specs and ensure approx max 8dB loss, but aim for 3dB
@@Phone_Geek I could do with some advice too, sorry for hijacking the thread. I have 1 x Huawei AF9 antenna with 5m cable going to Huawei h112-370 and a poynting 4x4 Mimo going to the same modem for 4g bands. This also has 5m cable but both antennas are barely 2 feet above the ground. What cables would you recommend for the 5G and 4G antennas?
@Jamille Hussain so that seems like a huawei cpe with external ports for a WiFi antenna and the new poynting 4x4 mimo (was waiting for them to be released)? 2 ft off the ground seems a bit strange.. its all about checking the specs of cables and loss of it for 5g bands vs gain of antenna. For 5g I'd buy an antenna with just the connector and lmr400, but for longer than say 15m of cable run, and depending on speeds you currently get and if its private or business id consider lmr600.
What is the best cable of choice for 4G/LTE antenna Sir.?
coax cable
great advice... and great arms!
I"d go a bit further than the arms but yes it's all put together very well.
Can you connect 2 routers to the same antenna. Can the coax be split off to provide service from 2 carriers or does each need its own building or roof antenna
Most efficient way of using two carriers would be a dual SIM LTE router.
Wouldn't split the coax. Cable loss is already a significant factor in LTE network performance and splitting/sharing that signal probably too big a risk.
Mind us asking why you need independent service from two carriers simultaneously? Might be able to offer you a more detailed answer.
I got a 4GEE router i currenly get 3 bars of signal (out of 5) with a download speed of 150Mbps and Upload of 60Mbps. Would I see much of a diffrence if I got an outdoor antenna as the EE mast is in the field next to me
No
We need this antenna I have DWR-953 ac1200 4G lte Router I'm installing in a village area
It help
Hi I am using a blue spt antenna and they said they would provide me with direction to to point it but they never were can I get this information thanks
Hi Paul, you might want to try an app like OpenSignal or the CellMapper site/app to get an idea where the cell masts might be in your area. Alternatively you might find some helpful info on our antenna blogs bit.ly/3a0LXrX
I live in rural area with three 4g signal really weak inside and outside, so far I am not having any luck with Poynting 4G-XPOL-A0001 .
Is there anything I should do to salvage the situation.? Thanks for great tutorials.
Buy an EE SIM card, 3 have the lowest amount of masts out of the providers in the uk. Hope this helps.
@@KM2399Surely that depends on where your situated
I have a very bad signal on the 9-th floor where i live with antennas but ideal signal on the first floor.
Have you tried Poynting ones? You're welcome to call our support team on 0330 043 3000 for some additional guidance :)
Hi there, I would like to ask for help if you can! I have a Poynting MIMO antenna and TV Antenna. Does it cause any reception problem if they are mounted together on the same pole? many thanks in advance and God bless!
The short answer is that you should be fine, but the more vertical spacing you can establish between the two antennas the better. I'd also suggest it makes more sense to mount the TV antenna on top.
Could you tell us exactly what model of MIMO antenna you have?
It's likely omnidirectional, whilst your TV antenna is probably a Yagi (quick google image search can confirm this), which are highly directional, meaning the radiation patterns will be quite different.
Depending on the model, they should also bee operating across very different frequency bands.
For example, most terrestrial TV broadcasts over one or both of the 47-230MHz and 470-790MHz frequency ranges. The MIMO 3 V2 15 only overlaps this in the 690-960MHz range which it uses for 4G/cellular. If this is your model of antenna, then this is where the most potential for interference lies.
@@NetXL-Official Hello there, thanks for your message.
My TV aerial is WOLSEY
52 Element High Gain TV Aerial 4G/LTE Filtered. And 13-15db gain.
My Wi-fi Antenna is Poynting XPOL-1 Omni-Directional LTE Cross Polarised MIMO Antenna.
Would not be a problem signal reception if I would put on same pole?
Regards,
Pabs
Hello there, so no problem if I put together on the same pole? Thanks in advance
@@NetXL-Official Hello there, thanks for your message.
My TV aerial is WOLSEY
52 Element High Gain TV Aerial 4G/LTE Filtered. And 13-15db gain.
My Wi-fi Antenna is Poynting XPOL-1 Omni-Directional LTE Cross Polarised MIMO Antenna.
Would not be a problem signal reception if I would put on same pole?
Many thanks in advance
Put Poynting omni directional antenna hi up on pole above chimney, and connected to my ee 4gee router, my internet now takes forever to load, so disconnected antenna cables and it works better without antenna?? Why is this?
Hi,
Which model of antenna are you using?
Are you in an urban area (lots of buildings, lots of congestion)? Do you know how far your nearest cell towers are and their bearing in relation to your chimney?
A lot of questions, but there are numerous variables that go into getting the most out of an LTE network. With these answers we'll be able to be a bit more helpful :).
What would be the best way to mount the antenna to a motorhome ?
on the roof
Hi nice video. Can you get a thin cable that would fit through a window when closed where drilling holes in a wall are a no go?
Not really
Its possible use 2 antennas like this in 1 touter lte ?
Yes, if the LTE router has enough SMA connectors
I need a recommendation for a 4G antenna. I live in a small village, right next to a small town. There are no big buildings between me and the transmitter. I am about 5 km away from the transmitter.
otkud si :D
@@gamemechanic8950 Lipik
Hello and thank you for your video.
I disassembled my huawei pro 2 5G router, and I now have 6 cables output, 2X 2 output for the 4G 700 to 2600 and 5G on the 2100 mhz band. And two other outputs for the 3500 Mhz. Knowing that I have 2 poynting 5G V3 antennas. Do we need a third antenna for 5G in 3500? or can I use y coupler cables on the 4G band?
How else to position 3 poynting antennas if I have to buy another one.
Thank you.
Sebastien.
Hi Sebastien, thanks for watching.
Super confused tbh, what is it you're trying to do?
A wideband antenna will operate across all of those frequencies. You'd need multiple inputs to the router to benefit from MIMO (2 connectors for 2x2, 4 for 4x4 etc). You wouldn't need to split the inputs to segregate different frequency bands.
It's possible I'm misunderstanding your question!
does cellmapper not work for usa locations ?
It should show cell tower data worldwide. click into the 'provider' field and search 'united states' for a list of US providers. The first three entries in the field I can see are 'Vodafone USA', 'AT&T Mobility' and 'Sprint'
Hope this helps
Biggest thing never mentioned is to use a 4g+ router like mr600 that carrier aggregates two channels and to use dual yagis 1 meter apart. With those I'm guessing 3 X speed increases likely
Incidentally the poyntigs are fairly crap. I'm using an Omni one in a high signal area in the attic merely to avoid putting the router in the attic due to a perceived fire risk. They don't improve the signal over internal aerials other than improve sighting of it. The dual yagis have shown a far better improvement than the directional poyntig X pol
Also if using poyntig xpol then mounting it to the lnb position of a satellite dish and pointing dish down will give a big boost as it's increasing size of xpol
Hi Gaurav,
If you tell us which model of omni antenna you're using we can advise you on whether there might be a better one for you. eg the Omni-280 might work inside, but it won't be the best option. Especially if your router has two SMA connectors and can make use of the 2x2 MIMO of an XPOL-1.
You mention you're using it in the attic? As in inside the house? You should always mount the antenna externally wherever possible. Assume you know this already and can't. But if you're using one inside the house and on a different floor from your router, you risk just extending the length of the coax cable and introducing more cable loss without any of the benefits of an external antenna.
You mention 'yagis'. Do you mean LPDA antennas? Yagi-Uda antennas are all narrow-band, making them more or less useless for modern cellular comms*. Poynting produce their own LPDA (sku LPDA-92) if this style of antenna is your preference.
*For anyone interested, the difference is that LPDA antennas have many elements that decrease in size incrementally toward the tip. Yagi-Uda antennas have a number of elements, all the same length. It's the length of the elements that determines the frequencies this style of antenna can interact with effectively.
Think this is obvious, but not written or in video... the flat face should be orientated/aimed towards the local mast?!
Why two sma cables, why and what do you conect them too
Two because a MIMO 'antenna' is two antennas within a single housing. Each internal antenna has its own associated SMA connection.
You'll connect to the router's SMA connectors on the other end. Note that your router will actually need 2 SMA connectors if you want to take advantage of the full performance of a 2x2 MIMO antenna.
@@NetXL-Official so is it a 2 x 180 degree antenas.But not all ruters have two sma conectors on them, can you use just one sma conector, and get some result.On a lets say tp or tenda ruter?does it have to be the same manufactor as the antena
@@tristandimitrijev3195 That's right, not all routers will have 2 connectors. You can use just one, but it makes spending extra on a 2x2 MIMO antenna a bit pointless. You're better off just buying a SISO antenna (single input, single output), which should be cheaper. The router and antenna don't have to be the same manufacturer, no.
@@NetXL-Official thank you.
cell maper doesn't show all
if you put your sim in your phone after downloading open signal from the google play store you can open the app and click on the far right icon at the bottom of the page in the app and it will give you the direction to your nearest mast. it also does speed tests and video tests. ive done all this and im still having no luck with my xpol omini directional pontying ariel.
I wonder if Log Periodic antennas have to be apart from each other as well.
Dear Solidice, Log Periodic antennas from Poynting are ideally mounted in a +45/-45 degrees set up. In this case antennas can be mounted using a special Poynting mounting bracket (BRKT-33) developed for our LDPA-92 antennas. The 60 cm or more distance is then not important, unless you want to mount multiple units, then I would suggest allowing for space between sets of LDPA-92 antennas (2 x LDPA-92 + BRKT-33)
Is modem and router thesame
Yes, it is same
No they're not the same. But they're often combined in the same unit. A modem is the part that does the talking to the outside network, think the old dial up noisy ones, think the separate cable box etc, the router is the part that juggles the different devices and connections into the single stream the modern talks with. You could technically have 2 of the same modern devices, one running as a modem connected with a single Ethernet cable to the second running as the router. I hope that makes it clearer.
How is cell mapper the best tool when it only shows London...? waste of time
Morning,
Cell mapper shows cell tower data worldwide. I've checked for the UK and some providers are region-specific. The 'Three Broadband (former UKB)' option seems to only operate in London and Swindon, for example. The top four entries in the 'provider' field for the UK are 'Vodafone UK', 'EE', 'O2-UK', '3 UK'. All of these show nationwide cell tower data for GB and Northern Ireland.
Does this help at all?
@@NetXL-Official @NetXL Well, not really as Three Mobile is up this way the North, but signal is terrible but shows good on their signal checker unless they are piggy backing of another network. Thanks for the reply. I had to send back my router which was 4G + Three Homfi and go back, to the old one as its all I can use being in rural area and unlimited data
No option for iPhone users…😡
Cell mapper is useless