At work we have 2 - 2019 f250 XL 4x4's. One is a crew cab with service body, the other is a supercab long bed. Both have 8' beds. Power is from the 6.2L gasser. We flog these things daily, driving them off road, hauling stuff and crews to job sites. SO far they have held up well. Gas mileage is about 10mpg for the crew cab and about 12mpg for the supercab. I never felt the 6.2L was under powered. I can only imagine how the performance of the new 7.3L gasser or the diesel must be.
I'm a Cummins guy forever, but Ford has a real powerhouse on its hands. I recently drove a 2020 F350 SRW and it was definitely more peppy than my 3500 H.O. Ram when it was stock. That 10spd trans has a lot to do with it too, seemingly always having the diesel right in the torque sweet spot. I tow a LOT and I still give my Ram the edge in overall comfort and towing feel, but that Ford is a great truck. But I did take one peek underneath the hood...let us just say I hope Ford is paying the service techs a pretty penny because it is an insane maze of piping, plastics, and metal under there!
HellKitty 101 I think the Cummins will have more stamina in the long run. My guess is these motors will be shot at 400k if they have a hard life towing heavy whereas the Cummins will have more staying power.
A truck that size and weight has no business having the capability to accelerate that fast. It can outrun it's predecessors but it can't our brake them. That's the most important thing.
sometimes I wonder if someone started making bare-bones cars and trucks at much lower prices, would they do well? there is a whole lot of I don't need or want this in modern cars. I'm sticking with my '01 Volvo until it dies, and maybe beyond that.
I test drove a new versa s with a 5 spd manual. Drove great. Had power everything inc cruise and touchscreen with back up cam. My dealer is selling them for $12900 right now. Helluva buy. Plus 10 airbags! Now this is a 5 spd no way in hell would I buy it with the CVT!
of course they would do well but because people are willing to finance $70k work trucks for 96 months, the car market has shifted from "how much total?" to "I can afford that monthly payment."
These are some of the best trucks on the market see tons of them love them along F150s when coming back home was a new '20 with a tag at back of it at first wasn't fond of refreshed changes now has grown on me. The F250 is a beautiful truck can do the job at anything. I wonder if Ford addressed the death wobble steering on the 2020s believe they should have on such a great truck.
Ford 2016 Super duty xl 2 wheel drive , 8 foot bed,tow package puck system. Deleted it when I got it. Every mod I could do to make it run like a champ. Over sized oil pan,trans pan,rear end diff cover,oil bypass system and more. SCT x4 tuner with Quick trick tunes. Tows my fiver like a champ. MPG towing 11,000 lbs average 13-15. Daily driver with looney tune, 21-23 MPG. Love my truck,and best of all it’s paid for. God bless American and fuck the green new deal. Also, do you mind if I smoke? 🤫😎🇺🇸
Only problem with the older OBS Ford’s is that the newer Super Duty’s are 2-3 times more capable not to mention just nicer and more comfortable overall. Even a newer V6 F-150 can tow more than a one ton truck from the 80’s and 90’s. I owned a 1989 F-Series in the early 1990’s when I was in high school and like the old trucks but given the choice I’d take the new truck in a second if I was picking it to use for working by hauling and towing. If I was getting it just to have and only had to worry about towing something light now and then I’d go with a nice custom mid 1990’s 7.3 liter PowerStroke F-250 or F-350.
@@porscheguy09 No doubt they are much more powerful, but I don't want to have to pull the cab off of my new powerstroke next time I have to make engine repairs.
Chuck Norris I hear that. Newer vehicles are a pain in the butt to work on. I’m doing the valve cover gaskets on a friend’s V8 powered 2005 BMW 5 Series and you have to tear down half the motor just to do the gaskets. It’s a 8+ hour job at the dealership with all the proper tools and factory repair instructions. For a DIY project it’s a good 12 hours to do both gaskets. To top it off I’m replacing the upper timing chain cover gaskets at the same time and that adds another hour and a half per side. I’ve decided that cars like this are nice but only while their warranties are good and you don’t have to worry about working on them.
0-60 in 6.7 seconds in a diesel!! I'm only 43. In my lifetime I remember not long ago where anything with a diesel condemned you to at lease 10 seconds to get to 60, no matter what the towing capacity was. That is insane. Diesels are just as fast as gas engines now. If you're gonna get a truck you might as well get the diesel now, forget gasoline for anything.
But back then, diesels weren’t $10,000 more. They used to use half the amount of fuel and they were easy to fix. So there’s more reason to buy the gasser, unless you NEED the extra towing capacity.
No way, if I were gonna buy a new Super Duty tomorrow it would be one with the new 7.3L gas V8, what you trade in torque output you make up for in initial cost, life time maintenance, and overall reliability. New diesels are insanely powerful, but the emission equipment used on them is problematic and prone to causing headaches. The 7.3L gas makes about the same torque and WAY more horsepower than the old 7.3L diesel and it has the added bonus of being a simple and compact OHV design, I think 300,000+ mile's will be pretty easy with a new 7.3L gas truck as long as you just keep up with basic maintenance.
If this truck really does 0 to 60 mph in 6.7 seconds. That is .1 of second slower than an 1989 Mustang GT with a manual. This truck 1 second faster than the 1989 automatic Mustang GT.
The prices alone will keep me from buying any new truck, no matter what it’s configuration is or who made it. There are plenty of good used trucks available.
Priced off the planet.. and when the Def system plugs up the dealers will be happy to change you $500+ to clean it out and tell you sorry it’s not under warranty.. So 85 grand what a Joke
I think he’s wondering how a single cam engine with pushrods (OHV) could have 4 valves per cylinder. Easy, they utilise extended valve rockers for both intake and exhaust. It’s a feature that’s normally used on low revving engines hence why it’s used heavily on Diesels since they typically don’t rev more than 3-4K/rpm. GM Duramax also utilises a similar set up as well.
They listed maximum towing and payload, these are not the numbers for the model displayed. They should have mentioned that. Misleading. Also, the reason they could accelerate without burning the tires off is because of traction control. Should have mentioned that as well.
Its all fun and games until its out of warranty and you pay the diesel tax. Open your wallet, if you can afford the truck, you better be able to maintain and fix it.
@@TheArfdog still have to do oil changes, fuel filter changes, def fluid like you said, pretty much have to run additives with all diesels. Then you hope they dont break. Not to mention the 10 speeds already having issues. If you can pay to play they're still a lot of fun
@trucking shenanigans No they don't have service profits in mind, unless the manufacturer really wants to lose ALL credibility as a "built FORD tough" truck maker. Would YOU buy something that always needs to be repaired?
Love the engine power and interior. But the front end looks ridiculous. 4:43 - it's a mess of lines and shapes and chrome and plastic. It looks like it was designed for an 8 year old, not a man. Hey Ford - sometimes less is more.
The thing that keeps me away from Ford's are the antiquated antenna and the terrible turning radius it has. On the plus side it is one sexy truck, especially with the blacked out package instead of all that chrome. I'll take the RAM all day everyday.
The turning radius isn't any worse than a straight axle Ram, GM does have the advantage here because they use an IFS setup on their H.D Trucks, but I'd rather have the durability or a straight axle and sacrifice some turning radius for it, there's a reason GM's are known for eating tie rods under heavy load.
They got it right with the 6.7 liter this time, a few issues in the 11’ and 12’ but quickly ironed out. There’s several 1 million mile examples still on the road. This is coming from a dodge/ Chevy diehard.
someone give this man a trophy for his voice
the world already has
I completely agree not to mention to many years of service. A true icon !
Forget everything, John Davis you are a legend 🔥💯
Yes, John is a great host and narrator for the road and comparison tests from the Escort to Expedition to this.
Gotta love that escort and probe 😅👏🏽🙌🏾
He and Motorweek are the O.G.s of car reviews.
Absolutely.
John Davis ...hall of fame automotive voice.....a masterpiece yet again !
At work we have 2 - 2019 f250 XL 4x4's. One is a crew cab with service body, the other is a supercab long bed. Both have 8' beds. Power is from the 6.2L gasser. We flog these things daily, driving them off road, hauling stuff and crews to job sites. SO far they have held up well. Gas mileage is about 10mpg for the crew cab and about 12mpg for the supercab. I never felt the 6.2L was under powered. I can only imagine how the performance of the new 7.3L gasser or the diesel must be.
I have one of the Supercabs and it's great. Just a big dumb truck and the 6 speed gets it done.
I'm a Cummins guy forever, but Ford has a real powerhouse on its hands. I recently drove a 2020 F350 SRW and it was definitely more peppy than my 3500 H.O. Ram when it was stock. That 10spd trans has a lot to do with it too, seemingly always having the diesel right in the torque sweet spot. I tow a LOT and I still give my Ram the edge in overall comfort and towing feel, but that Ford is a great truck. But I did take one peek underneath the hood...let us just say I hope Ford is paying the service techs a pretty penny because it is an insane maze of piping, plastics, and metal under there!
I agree that engine look like some "cob web of shit" from the '90's. VERY shocked that's a 2020 Diesel engine
HellKitty 101 I think the Cummins will have more stamina in the long run. My guess is these motors will be shot at 400k if they have a hard life towing heavy whereas the Cummins will have more staying power.
@@b-genspinster7895 400k is a lot for a tow machine, you can’t ask for much more then that out of a truck
I disagree Ford feels better towing under heavy load
A truck that size and weight has no business having the capability to accelerate that fast. It can outrun it's predecessors but it can't our brake them. That's the most important thing.
I"ve been watching MW for many decades now and love to hear John speak.
Nice to see they still put the vehicles through some of the same paces as back in the day.
John Davis is a national treasure.
I prefer the front on the 17-19, but this imo is still the best looking truck out rn
John Davis he is such a class act. What a great man.
sometimes I wonder if someone started making bare-bones cars and trucks at much lower prices, would they do well? there is a whole lot of I don't need or want this in modern cars. I'm sticking with my '01 Volvo until it dies, and maybe beyond that.
Agreed. More stuff = more stuff to break
I test drove a new versa s with a 5 spd manual. Drove great. Had power everything inc cruise and touchscreen with back up cam. My dealer is selling them for $12900 right now. Helluva buy. Plus 10 airbags! Now this is a 5 spd no way in hell would I buy it with the CVT!
of course they would do well but because people are willing to finance $70k work trucks for 96 months, the car market has shifted from "how much total?" to "I can afford that monthly payment."
brjha yep. Finance 101 is don’t let the salesman start talking payments
i just watched a 1999 super duty motorweek episode, i'm so glad the same narrator is still around in 2022!
2020 Lariat Sport 6.7 diesel is the package to get. Beautiful truck, most all the options you want/need and no ugly chrome
FORD IS THE BEST TRUCKS ON THE ROAD NO DISPUTING THAT
These are some of the best trucks on the market see tons of them love them along F150s when coming back home was a new '20 with a tag at back of it at first wasn't fond of refreshed changes now has grown on me. The F250 is a beautiful truck can do the job at anything. I wonder if Ford addressed the death wobble steering on the 2020s believe they should have on such a great truck.
0-60 in under 7 seconds. It's a fuckin' sports car!
Long live John Davis!
Ford 2016 Super duty xl 2 wheel drive , 8 foot bed,tow package puck system. Deleted it when I got it. Every mod I could do to make it run like a champ. Over sized oil pan,trans pan,rear end diff cover,oil bypass system and more. SCT x4 tuner with Quick trick tunes. Tows my fiver like a champ. MPG towing 11,000 lbs average 13-15. Daily driver with looney tune, 21-23 MPG. Love my truck,and best of all it’s paid for. God bless American and fuck the green new deal. Also, do you mind if I smoke? 🤫😎🇺🇸
MotorWeek, you guys should do a true, verified, measured three-way test to see which truck is best overall, towing and fuel economy.
So there’s so much supply then there is demand.Im sure all 3 still have 19’s loitering around unsold.However.when John Davis speaks you listen.
that's a very clean diesel
Love ya sir. Legend
Is it just me or that front end starting to look like a Duramax Silverado
It’s just you, it’s a 2017 with more rounded headlights and bigger air dam
So glad the same guy 20 years later is making these videos lol sounds the same
The new Personal Luxury Car.
Yay 2020 suprduty
LOL, Standby for scheduled Ford recalls
Yeah I want some death wobble
Through...the...cones...? Lol
Wait till fuel system has problems and turbo mony pit
That's very impressive, but I would take the reliability and easy maintenance of a square body, or bull nose ford over this any day.
Only problem with the older OBS Ford’s is that the newer Super Duty’s are 2-3 times more capable not to mention just nicer and more comfortable overall. Even a newer V6 F-150 can tow more than a one ton truck from the 80’s and 90’s. I owned a 1989 F-Series in the early 1990’s when I was in high school and like the old trucks but given the choice I’d take the new truck in a second if I was picking it to use for working by hauling and towing. If I was getting it just to have and only had to worry about towing something light now and then I’d go with a nice custom mid 1990’s 7.3 liter PowerStroke F-250 or F-350.
@@porscheguy09 No doubt they are much more powerful, but I don't want to have to pull the cab off of my new powerstroke next time I have to make engine repairs.
Chuck Norris I hear that. Newer vehicles are a pain in the butt to work on. I’m doing the valve cover gaskets on a friend’s V8 powered 2005 BMW 5 Series and you have to tear down half the motor just to do the gaskets. It’s a 8+ hour job at the dealership with all the proper tools and factory repair instructions. For a DIY project it’s a good 12 hours to do both gaskets. To top it off I’m replacing the upper timing chain cover gaskets at the same time and that adds another hour and a half per side. I’ve decided that cars like this are nice but only while their warranties are good and you don’t have to worry about working on them.
@@porscheguy09 Wow its like an hour on any older vehicle , good luck.
I’d love a clean OBS with a 7.3 PowerStroke! 👍😎
Oversized overpriced trucks meh. John Davis sharing anything automotive? Priceless. I mean it’s like 40 years by now, my favorite uncle ha.
The RAM gets better fuel mileage because it’s 6 cylinders not 8
It’s the same displacement though. That’s like saying a 5’5” man who weighs 220lbs burns less calories than a 6’ man who weighs the same…
Fastest truck on the market
0-60 in 6.7 seconds in a diesel!! I'm only 43. In my lifetime I remember not long ago where anything with a diesel condemned you to at lease 10 seconds to get to 60, no matter what the towing capacity was.
That is insane. Diesels are just as fast as gas engines now. If you're gonna get a truck you might as well get the diesel now, forget gasoline for anything.
But back then, diesels weren’t $10,000 more. They used to use half the amount of fuel and they were easy to fix. So there’s more reason to buy the gasser, unless you NEED the extra towing capacity.
No way, if I were gonna buy a new Super Duty tomorrow it would be one with the new 7.3L gas V8, what you trade in torque output you make up for in initial cost, life time maintenance, and overall reliability. New diesels are insanely powerful, but the emission equipment used on them is problematic and prone to causing headaches. The 7.3L gas makes about the same torque and WAY more horsepower than the old 7.3L diesel and it has the added bonus of being a simple and compact OHV design, I think 300,000+ mile's will be pretty easy with a new 7.3L gas truck as long as you just keep up with basic maintenance.
If this truck really does 0 to 60 mph in 6.7 seconds. That is .1 of second slower than an 1989 Mustang GT with a manual. This truck 1 second faster than the 1989 automatic Mustang GT.
Definitely get the extended warranty!
The prices alone will keep me from buying any new truck, no matter what it’s configuration is or who made it. There are plenty of good used trucks available.
Markups on used trucks keep me buying new.
Priced off the planet.. and when the Def system plugs up the dealers will be happy to change you $500+ to clean it out and tell you sorry it’s not under warranty.. So 85 grand what a Joke
What happened to BRAKING TEST?
You can just run over the peons in this thing...
Wayyyyy overpriced. Just buy them when they are used
Lol prices on the used market aren't much better...
'17 platinums & limiteds are still selling for $50k plus
I bet you buy iPhones
@@taurussho86 no need to be insulting now
@@blackprobegt2000 😂
Double [ ] DRLs...hmmmm
How can an OHV engine have 32 valves?
4 valves per cylinder
I think he’s wondering how a single cam engine with pushrods (OHV) could have 4 valves per cylinder. Easy, they utilise extended valve rockers for both intake and exhaust. It’s a feature that’s normally used on low revving engines hence why it’s used heavily on Diesels since they typically don’t rev more than 3-4K/rpm. GM Duramax also utilises a similar set up as well.
Have to watch those 10 speed transmissions. They have been having trouble with them
They listed maximum towing and payload, these are not the numbers for the model displayed. They should have mentioned that. Misleading. Also, the reason they could accelerate without burning the tires off is because of traction control. Should have mentioned that as well.
They seriously just cost to much
Its all fun and games until its out of warranty and you pay the diesel tax. Open your wallet, if you can afford the truck, you better be able to maintain and fix it.
Ford diesels have about zero maintenance. OK you gotta pay for urea.
@@TheArfdog still have to do oil changes, fuel filter changes, def fluid like you said, pretty much have to run additives with all diesels. Then you hope they dont break. Not to mention the 10 speeds already having issues. If you can pay to play they're still a lot of fun
@@jonnyg9330 I meant no added maintenance Over and above a gas engine. They are dead reliable.
@trucking shenanigans No they don't have service profits in mind, unless the manufacturer really wants to lose ALL credibility as a "built FORD tough" truck maker. Would YOU buy something that always needs to be repaired?
Get a DEF delete for $1200.
You need locked up if you spend $85k on a truck.
I just can't get past it being built with body of aluminum, my buddy works at Richmond auto body, and doesn't like working on these.
The front and rear of this truck doesnt look 2020. It looks more 2010
17
healthy big and powerful but not safe low quality and quickly breaks down and spare parts are expensive
Death wobble ain't fixed yet
Yes it is, there are RUclips videos on it.
I'll stick to a ram 2500
Boo!!!
As long as there are suckers out there, this overpriced junk will always sell.
Love the engine power and interior.
But the front end looks ridiculous.
4:43 - it's a mess of lines and shapes and chrome and plastic. It looks like it was designed for an 8 year old, not a man.
Hey Ford - sometimes less is more.
In that trim is does look pretty lame. With less chrome or the blackout package it looks amazing. Also with a chin spoiler delete
The thing that keeps me away from Ford's are the antiquated antenna and the terrible turning radius it has. On the plus side it is one sexy truck, especially with the blacked out package instead of all that chrome. I'll take the RAM all day everyday.
The turning radius isn't any worse than a straight axle Ram, GM does have the advantage here because they use an IFS setup on their H.D Trucks, but I'd rather have the durability or a straight axle and sacrifice some turning radius for it, there's a reason GM's are known for eating tie rods under heavy load.
RAM has 6 cylinders and NO QUALITY WHATSOEVER! The ford beats it in every way 6.7 power
Nathan McDonald IFS isn’t awful its the dual- wishbone that made it bad you can’t plow with a Chevy for those reasons
This truck is great until it breaks down just like every other Ford. 😂😂😂
They got it right with the 6.7 liter this time, a few issues in the 11’ and 12’ but quickly ironed out. There’s several 1 million mile examples still on the road. This is coming from a dodge/ Chevy diehard.
Second!!
First!