1965 Thunderbird Perma-Tuned Transistor Ignition System
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- Identifying the components of transistor Ignition system on the 1965 Ford Thunderbird, where to find them, and high level overview of the ignition system.
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Like others have written, I had no idea this existed, thank you for teaching me. I have to mention - excellent camera work and descriptions. Again, many thanks ~ Chuck
Thank you Chuck, I've been working with a new editing program, it's been a learning that's for sure, not very refined yet, and it takes longer to do the editing. than doing the work for the video. Lol
Thanks again for your wonderful videos. Our 64 ThunderBird was completed about seven or eight months ago. I have taken it as far as I can. Not much left to do. Voltage regulator for the gauges, power steering leak (minor). Left rear quarter wind needs a good take apart and cleaning. Maybe a pinion seal, althought its dry now. Driving it appeared to help it. And thats it. We had a very generous offer for it out of the blue. Lynne and I chewed on it for a week or so and agreed to let it move on to the next custodian. We have had it for six years. The first three most of the work was done on it. We have been using it and it is a pleasure to drive. She shines like a diamond inside and out. But each day it gets a bit more difficut for me to maintain it. I dont want it to slip backwards. It is going to a new home. She only has 37,000 documented miles on her. I know the new owners will take good care of her. I will still be around keeping an eye on you and Nick.
Thank you Walt!
I'm happy your 64 is going to a good home. 😊
Thanks for explaining that--I never understood it. In my 1966 electrical assembly manual, the page with the transistorized ignition system has a stamp on it that says "CANCELLED." Apparently, they discontinued it. I enjoy your videos.
Your welcome John, it was an early version of the electronic ignition...but a little bulky.
Thanks for the info 👍🇺🇸
You are very welcome!
Perhaps the only Flair bird in existence still using the original Perma Tune. I can assume that the only real advantage of the perm tune is that there is very little current passing through the points and therefore the points would last tens of thousands of miles. I had a California 64 hardtop that was DSO 84 and was a big wig car sent to Los Angeles district for use by one of the people there. The first owner bought it from Ford at one year old and kept it for over 40 years. When I got it I unplugged the amplifier module and the car still ran great. Someone had converted the distributor to normal points and condenser somewhere along the line. Anyway, congratulations on getting it working even if it was just a dirty contact at the fuse.
Thank you Jeff, I agree with you...the only real advantage was maintenance on the ignition system.
Alvin,
Very good explaination, my friend. At some point, if I live long enough, I hope to install a complete modern solid state ignition setup in Pearline. But first I have to plow through my antique radio and speaker backlog. We're making progress.
Regards,
John
Hey John, I know you are knowledgeable with the components that make up this system, you would have ran into them went restoring vintage radios, and this setup is very basic compared to a radio, this is just a switching device.
I've got to watch your latest video on speaker repair...the rear one in this old bird is torn and scratchy sounding.
I didn't know these had a different ignition system on these. I have the more traditional system on mine. Good information for those who have this system.
Hey Matt,
I've been trying to document all of these odd-ball options on this old T-Bird before I sell it, it may come in handy for someone in the future.
@J_R_Shop good idea. Someone will need it I'm sure
Hello Alvin. Thanks for showing and explaining that option. It'll help those that have that system in their car. Wonder why your fuse was blown.
George B
Hey George, you're welcome...the fuse connection was bad, the fuse was fine.
Hey Alvin, great video. Yes the coil is different for those cars. The negative terminal on the coil is grounded to the engine as opposed to a conventional coil where the negative goes to the distributor. Looking on your wiring diagram, you can see that the wire to the distributor comes from the amplifier. These are much more common on the 1964. I don't care for them, there are no parts available for them and it just complicated things. I don't think there is any performance difference either. I agree with Mike Johansson, take the amplifier apart and test those components, see if they are any good. Thanks.
Hi Nick, thanks for confirming that the coils are different, and I'm pretty sure a guy could replace the whole system with an Arduino! Lol
Since the engine is running very well, I don't think I want to start taking the amp apart right now.
Wow, so this was an option then? My car ('65 Landau) has none of this stuff ( amplifier, circuit/transistor box by battery, etc.) so I presume it wasn't on my car to begin with. Someone (prev. owner) changed my system out to Pertronix, so I guess it's possible they removed all that stuff.
If the perma-tuned ignition was offered as an option, I wonder how much it cost and how it was marketed to customers? It seems like kind of a tech-y option for 1965. I guess the "perma-tuned" name implies the customer would need less tune ups, but I wonder if that's true. Still needed points and you still needed to change plugs and rotors. Thanks for the detailed info on obscure vintage Thunderbird esoterica!
It did seem to reduce the need for those all too often "tune-ups", but I think with transistor rapidly getting smaller and cheaper, Ford was able to reduce the system as a whole into the Dura-Spark setup.
Hey Alvin, thanks for the video strangely my '65 did not have this option as it had just about every thing else. I had a shot distributor in it and I just changed it out for a conventional points version. But I may change it one day. Anyway, in the diagram of the amplifier those caps of 40 and 2 MFD are probably bad after all these years. I work on old Tube radios from the '30's and those values of 40 mfd are quite common. Ever wonder why old radios have a terrible hum? the capacitors have gone bad and they leak internally. Change them out and no more 60 cycle hum. It would be neat to see the inside of one of those amps and to test the caps. Any way I enjoyed your video! God bless.
Hi Mike, the caps may have failed, however the engine is running smooth, so I don't want monkey around with it went its working well. The no start issue was just a poor connection at the fuse, she fired right back up after I cleaned it. 😊
Great Scott Alvin!!!
Is there any way of just swapping out all that junk for an HEI distributor system? Now I gotta go look to see if my son has that style, greeeeaaat. Lol
Thanks for the heads up and the tuition of it all!
Lol, Oh yeah, there are lots of option available to do a "Perma-Tuned" delete, and if this system were to die on me, I would switch it over to something more modern, like an HEI distributor, Pertronix setup.
Is there really a noticeable performance difference between the perma tuned transistorized ignition system and the regular points and condenser ignition? I remember reading this was originally used on the medium duty or heavy duty trucks then they made their way into the high performance cars in 63 or so.
I don't think it makes a big difference performance wise, but it does save maintenance on the points, they last longer.
@@J_R_Shop If Ford had just made the dwell easy to adjust like GM cars (with the access door on dist. cap), then changing points is no big deal. Fords are a royal pain to dial in the dwell; not just a gap and start.
I have a 66 tbird an replaced points an condenser with electronic ignition $125. pentex i think its called works good 5yrs now, can us coil or buy a pentex coil i used the one in the car,. screws right in
Do you mean Pertronix? That's what my '65 has. Some cars have pertronix systems that can use a non-pertronix coil, but you have to check the ohms resistance on the coil to make sure it's compatible. Can't remember the details, but the info is available online, as I recall.