One of the hardest things to come to terms with as an adult. That one of your parents doesn't love you. It's hard as a kid, too, but you don't have much context to measure it by at that age, and life is so fast paced as a teenager that you can sort of fill the void with other stuff, ignore it, pretend that it isn't real, that all parents are like that, that it will change as you grow. And then one day you become an adult and the void is bigger now, harder to ignore, and you are running out of things to fill it with. Then you are left with moments like this, where you realise that's all there ever was and all there ever could be, and there is nothing that can be done about it.
Heartbreaking. The acting, writing & directing in this film should be studied and cherished. We need more films with this level of passion & honesty made today.
If you enjoyed this film. Watch Once We’re Warriors. A very famous movie among Kiwis and those who’ve been to NZ that is extremely like this movie. Electrifying, raw, and realistic movies this one and the Kiwi one
Probably one of the most significant clips from one of the most powerful films made. For a very few minutes we see genuine vunerability and regret, and some answers for so much of the pain felt and inflicted by so many men. A powerful resource and message, dare you share it.. Nice one Trumpets.
I watch this every so often to remind myself that men who abuse women can’t love, just like their fathers. This should be required viewing in domestic assault counseling sessions.
Very powerful stuff and needs yo be told . Nice one Gary Oldman. Ray Winston and ofcourse Kathy Burke... Jamie Foreman just listening and beiing there only mate really..😢❤❤❤ Harrowing is truth . This film helpede deal with alot. ❤❤❤❤😢😢
A landmark film. And this is one of the best scenes in it. Interesting... it may be Gary Oldman's best--and he's not even in it. This scene perfectly explains why Ray is the way he is. More people should see this excellence in cinema.
Ray is exceptional in this film. This is as good a piece of acting as you will ever see. An amazing scene in a powerful film. “Why didn’t you ever love me” How many men have felt this way about the people in their lives...
@@flash_flood_area This scene is about men, in particular fathers and sons. It’s in fact an autobiographical account of Oldman’s own relationship with his father. I as a son relate, and this is a rare example on film of a working class man expressing his feelings. This isn’t about daughters or women, so don’t try shoehorn them in. Give it the respect it deserves.
@@AlexDeLarge77 Sorry to hear, and sorry that you think lack of parental love is a gender specific experience. Btw, I've been watching the very popular Bates Motel series, and it's full of working class male characters openly expressing their feelings.
Amazing scene. Ray Winstone at his absolute finest. I used this scene as part of a Film Studies presentation when I was studying at university. Addendum: University of Western Sydney (1999)
I have been in this situation at the end of a high just listening to someone spill their guts out to you and you can't process it or find the right words. Phenomenal fucking acting. Genius
Here it is. The real reason Ray beats Valerie... and everyone else. Including himself, finally. This scene stops you cold. Big props to everyone involved.
This is bar none the best scene in the film, it makes sense of everything that's happening. It shows that as foul and brutal as Ray was, there was a reason for it. In the end he was a human being, he just wanted his father's love and respect and he never got it :( Hate breeds more hate, anger breeds more anger.
Incredible acting from both Winstone and Foreman in this. Foreman doesn't want to hear it, there's no real friendship there. Winstone is totally alone. Brutal scene...
I thought the opposite. This scene reveals the true friendship between the two, where earlier on in the film they just seem like two coked up creeps hanging out. The fact that Foreman's character says "It ain't when he died though, is it?" shows that he's actually got a grasp of what went on. Plus he doesn't laugh at the point the story gets serious. I think you totally misread it. Brutal scene nonetheless
Watching this I kind of felt like they are genuine friends, Foreman is just sitting there thinking that Ray has become just like his dad, always pissed, always in the pub, abusive to his own family, can't show love. And rather than tell him that he has become just like his dad; he's just listening and humouring him in order to let him vent, perhaps hoping that it will be some sort of cathartic experience for him; so that he can work towards putting it behind him and moving on. Thinking on it perhaps he is a little bit intimidated by Ray as well; adding to why he might not want to tell Ray that he has become like his father.
Watched this for the first time last night, been putting it off for years as I knew its brutal. This scene blew me away, the idea that trauma follows trauma is incapsulated in this scene. This film is a masterpiece, and difficult to watch.
As a recovering addict, I recognise it too. There is a great deal of self pity here, it's perfectly portrayed by Winstone in a beautiful performance. 'Poor me, poor me, pour me another drink'. Addicts will always try to shift the narrative to excuse their behaviour. Gaslighting, manipulating, lying, it's all in the repertoire. Anything to justify or convince themselves that they're entitled to drink or use. It's Hell and this film is a brilliantly clear lens on it. Thanks to Gary Oldman and all involved x
It explains his behaviour but doesn’t excuse it. His dad likely had his own story for why he was a useless, abusive failure of a man. This scene is very powerful and it really moved me - the tragedy though is that it doesn’t move Ray to try to break the cycle. By the end of the film he’s learned nothing, and nothing will change.
This an acting masterclass, it's almost like he is recounting his own past, incredible!
Hollywood eat your heart out. THIS is REAL storytelling
My sentiments precisely...X❤
One of the hardest things to come to terms with as an adult. That one of your parents doesn't love you. It's hard as a kid, too, but you don't have much context to measure it by at that age, and life is so fast paced as a teenager that you can sort of fill the void with other stuff, ignore it, pretend that it isn't real, that all parents are like that, that it will change as you grow. And then one day you become an adult and the void is bigger now, harder to ignore, and you are running out of things to fill it with. Then you are left with moments like this, where you realise that's all there ever was and all there ever could be, and there is nothing that can be done about it.
Yeah
Heartbreaking. The acting, writing & directing in this film should be studied and cherished.
We need more films with this level of passion & honesty made today.
Ray Winstone at his absolute finest 👌 him & Kathy Burke were titans in this masterpiece 👏
'It was as if the word itself was enough. And it aint.' I fucking love that line.
Bang on
For me the best bit in what is a truly great film. Should send that over to those guys in Hollywood, show them how it's done.
Proper film this , arguably one of the best British films ever
If you enjoyed this film. Watch Once We’re Warriors. A very famous movie among Kiwis and those who’ve been to NZ that is extremely like this movie. Electrifying, raw, and realistic movies this one and the Kiwi one
For pure acting ability this blows away almost every other film
Pure gut wrenching brilliance
Probably one of the most significant clips from one of the most powerful films made. For a very few minutes we see genuine vunerability and regret, and some answers for so much of the pain felt and inflicted by so many men. A powerful resource and message, dare you share it.. Nice one Trumpets.
Deep … razor sharp .. incredible front to back
We don't see this type of realism anymore.
I watch this every so often to remind myself that men who abuse women can’t love, just like their fathers. This should be required viewing in domestic assault counseling sessions.
Very powerful stuff and needs yo be told .
Nice one Gary Oldman.
Ray Winston and ofcourse Kathy Burke...
Jamie Foreman just listening and beiing there only mate really..😢❤❤❤
Harrowing is truth .
This film helpede deal with alot.
❤❤❤❤😢😢
masterpiece from ray winstone,jamie foreman and kathy burke. epic filmm and as gritty as it gets. gary oldman we salute you.
A landmark film. And this is one of the best scenes in it. Interesting... it may be Gary Oldman's best--and he's not even in it. This scene perfectly explains why Ray is the way he is. More people should see this excellence in cinema.
Ray is exceptional in this film.
This is as good a piece of acting as you will ever see.
An amazing scene in a powerful film.
“Why didn’t you ever love me”
How many men have felt this way about the people in their lives...
Men? Just as many daughters have felt this way.
@@flash_flood_areaYou’ve obviously got a problem with men.
@@AlexDeLarge77 That's silly. Don't you know of any woman who felt that their parent(s) didn't love them? It's quite common in human experience
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This scene is about men, in particular fathers and sons. It’s in fact an autobiographical account of Oldman’s own relationship with his father.
I as a son relate, and this is a rare example on film of a working class man expressing his feelings.
This isn’t about daughters or women, so don’t try shoehorn them in. Give it the respect it deserves.
@@AlexDeLarge77 Sorry to hear, and sorry that you think lack of parental love is a gender specific experience. Btw, I've been watching the very popular Bates Motel series, and it's full of working class male characters openly expressing their feelings.
"Why didn't you ever love me?" That delivery is just heartbreaking.
It's as if he was that vulnerable child for that moment.
"What goes around comes around."
The most important scene in the film
This film was artwork .
My favourite U.K film.
My U.S favourite film is A Bronx Tale.
So many hidden morals in both 🙏🏼
This film is a masterclass in uncomfortable gritty acting. Oscar worthy performances, powerful film
This is an epic performance from Ray
Amazing scene. Ray Winstone at his absolute finest. I used this scene as part of a Film Studies presentation when I was studying at university.
Addendum: University of Western Sydney (1999)
Heartbreaking. I hug my kids every day
"What goes around comes around Bill."
I have been in this situation at the end of a high just listening to someone spill their guts out to you and you can't process it or find the right words. Phenomenal fucking acting. Genius
I'm from deptford SE8 and I think this film is brilliant! It reminds me of London I grew up in !
Wow this is incredible acting.
This film is powerful. This is life
Superb performance by Ray Winston and Cathy Burke.
Heartbreakingly relevant.
Great but grim film, cant believe Gary Oldman never directed again.
Best part of the film.
Superb. As an American I can state unequivocally, that indeed yes, most British art is superior...
As You Were
We have made some quality films which were very gritty.
Not that it excuses Ray's behaviour but it explains it!
Jamie Schumacher - he actually says 'mooey' the origin of which is the Anglo-Romani word 'mui' which itself comes from the Sanskrit word for face.
Here it is. The real reason Ray beats Valerie... and everyone else. Including himself, finally. This scene stops you cold. Big props to everyone involved.
He's gota wake up to go to bed !!!
A humdinger of a film with ray Winstone and Kathy Burke it had 5 star rating written all over it.
This is bar none the best scene in the film, it makes sense of everything that's happening. It shows that as foul and brutal as Ray was, there was a reason for it. In the end he was a human being, he just wanted his father's love and respect and he never got it :( Hate breeds more hate, anger breeds more anger.
Incredible acting from both Winstone and Foreman in this. Foreman doesn't want to hear it, there's no real friendship there. Winstone is totally alone. Brutal scene...
IndependentGeorge76 u can tell foreman has been woken up , he just listens and laughs. Na I they are friends , course they are
I thought the opposite. This scene reveals the true friendship between the two, where earlier on in the film they just seem like two coked up creeps hanging out. The fact that Foreman's character says "It ain't when he died though, is it?" shows that he's actually got a grasp of what went on. Plus he doesn't laugh at the point the story gets serious. I think you totally misread it. Brutal scene nonetheless
Nah. It’s not that he doesn’t want to hear it. He doesn’t have the language to respond to it.
Watching this I kind of felt like they are genuine friends, Foreman is just sitting there thinking that Ray has become just like his dad, always pissed, always in the pub, abusive to his own family, can't show love. And rather than tell him that he has become just like his dad; he's just listening and humouring him in order to let him vent, perhaps hoping that it will be some sort of cathartic experience for him; so that he can work towards putting it behind him and moving on.
Thinking on it perhaps he is a little bit intimidated by Ray as well; adding to why he might not want to tell Ray that he has become like his father.
Foreman is actually listening and taking it all in
A film for proper grown ups.
Cheers for uploading. Fantastic scene
A brilliant film if u can stomach it
what a fucking scene I'm crying.
Amazing scene. Thanks for uploading.
Powerful movie
Great morning after an all night binge feel
Ray winstone gis such a iconic actor
I had to read off the script to completely understand what he's saying
South London working class accent.
Watched this for the first time last night, been putting it off for years as I knew its brutal. This scene blew me away, the idea that trauma follows trauma is incapsulated in this scene. This film is a masterpiece, and difficult to watch.
how good is Kathy burke and ray winstone
That’s a deep scene, I’m sure a lot of us felt the same
Hard hitting heart breaking film, maybe if he’d have loved him he would have been nicer to his wife! This scene is RW best acting
Classic British drama. Alcoholism summed up.
Mark's his best mate, but even you can tell he so doesn't want to be there listening to his drunk mate
That's not the impression I got.
He just doesnt know what to say. Hes never seen his mate open up like this before
I tell my kids I love them everyday, fucking been there
So real
Horrible fakin chair 🤪 movie is wild but this scene was so real
I know a lock of Cockney slang but when he says his dad fell right on his 'mood' i assume face. What's the origin of that anyone???
It's mooey, slang for face no idea of origin.
"mooey" the origin is from Anglo-Romani word "mui" which comes from the Sanskrit word for face.
I know this film is excellent but have avoided it....
I wish I could understand what he's saying.
Dr. Tiggy you do know that we invented the language that you’re speaking.
@@DrTiggy666 Ignoramus.
Haha. That’s funny because Americans literally sound like they’re chewing food when they talk lol
It’s just self-pity really…
As a recovering addict, I recognise it too. There is a great deal of self pity here, it's perfectly portrayed by Winstone in a beautiful performance. 'Poor me, poor me, pour me another drink'. Addicts will always try to shift the narrative to excuse their behaviour. Gaslighting, manipulating, lying, it's all in the repertoire. Anything to justify or convince themselves that they're entitled to drink or use. It's Hell and this film is a brilliantly clear lens on it. Thanks to Gary Oldman and all involved x
It explains his behaviour but doesn’t excuse it. His dad likely had his own story for why he was a useless, abusive failure of a man. This scene is very powerful and it really moved me - the tragedy though is that it doesn’t move Ray to try to break the cycle. By the end of the film he’s learned nothing, and nothing will change.
😭😭😭
😢😢😢😢😢 i know
Can ya fly Bobby???
Is this showing that hate breeds hate?
Yes, the cycle carries on until you make the decision to break it.
Great scene
South Side honkey life