This is not about canon or non canon or any of that. This is about clearing up the truth whole telling you the entire TRUE story of GT's production history
Geekdom101 what do U think the chances of a angelic war with zarama ( created of super dragon balls) with him being good guys or villain and grand priest be good guy or villain.? The gods and angles would be split between both sides. Also who would win in a fight: alternate version of current Goku and vegeta to make vegito, fused with current goku and vegeta , and then those vegitos fuse(pretend it’s possible) vs the grand priest . This super or double vegitos also would have kaioken*20 and ultra instinct
Geekdom you should make a video of how hax these GT characters really are Iknow you’re not big on power levels but just to give the fandom an idea because everybody underpowers GT I know you kno how strong they are & I also know you can enlighten all of us with a video of the sort, thank you .
Cool vid. I never had a problem with GT its the fanboys that blow everything outta proportion. Even if completely diff people came up with it, it's still cool and creative.
He’s a super private guy I think. That’s why there is so few photos. That or people are so mad at how he wrote Gohan that he has to go into hiding (jk)
I'm right there with ya... I always really liked GT, personally. I liked how well it was able to recapture the fun, lighthearted tone of the original DB, and managed to incorporate an "adventure" spirit while also keeping the same sense of sense of scale in terms of villains and the threat they posed. I also really like the character development. Best of all though, I like how streamlined GT felt - it manages to fit quite a lot of story material into its 64 episodes and keep things moving along with each episode, but the pacing still feels appropriate. None of them feel like filler - unlike DBZ, which is like 25 to 30% filler :P As for Super, I just started it and am only 6 episodes in lol - but so far I love it!
@@illuminocalypse5210 Great Oppinion and all but, just what's with Anime fans and their Filler hate or disgust ?... i mean, do watching Gohan going home just to realize he should be brave against the saiyans hence character development Hurt that much your enjoyment of it all? Or do 2 enterteaning Namek detours just like how it happens in a irl situation in vacations is THAT boring to them ?
GT is one of those things where at first you didn't like or appreciate it bc it was different, but after a while it grows on you and you realize it was great in it's own ways and you start to reminisce about it.
Weirdly enough for me it’s the complete opposite. I’ve always loved GT, maybe because I was too young at the time to know what the heck “canon” even meant so I just enjoyed it for what it was and saw DBGT as the continuation to DBZ which at the time was the original canon continuation of the Toei Animated series (never the canon continuation of the manga). DBGT felt like it had such a fitting, impactful and well written ending (hence why I appreciate it so much).
Илья Король he looked cool but he just seemed like a vegito rip off. The Broly movie made gogeta a bit more serious and not as willing to toy with his enemies like vegito.
I wonder why they didn’t introduce SSGSS in GT since the timeline is set way after Goku mastered Super Saiyan God. That’s what I’m so confused about. It’s like the new db’s are just based on story’s leading up to the GT timeline.
Dragon ball gt was decent just a alternate timeline where beerus never woke up but the ending to gt was the best everyone cried it made actually really hard to say goodbye to one of our childhood beloved character.
To me, GT isn't canon. But, that doesn't make it bad. The Super Saiyan 4 Tranformation was pretty good, Baby was cool concept, and the Shadow Dragons were an interesting execution from the beginning. However, as time went on, all those things felt kind of disappointing (That is, if you exclude the SS4 Transformation).
you know Super can be still played out in the way that GT story still works ;p in fact i belive they pick time frame between Z buu saga and Z ending just to make story not collide with GT. When GT was made they never knew there gonna be Super
GT was terrible. I don't care about canon - GT was simply extremely bad. Also it's impossible for GT to exist anymore, there are far too many crucial differences between Super and GT (different depiction of hell, Kibito Kai defused, Freeza being insanely powerful, the existence of god forms etc.).
Gt had some really good moments, namely (for me) going back to Saiyan origins with the Oozaru form, SSj4, the tuffles and baby Vegeta, the overall potential of what the Shadow dragon arc could have been, Pan potentially going Ssj and that very heartfelt ending with Goku leaving, It was alright.
Metsuryu Ogi Kai if they had given Pan a little less of an annoying personality and let her go ssj and take out some side enemies I think gt would have been better
I want the ending of super to be as similar as gt. Dragon ball started with Goku and the dragon balls, it should end with it as well. It was probably the best ending in the entirety of anime and manga history (my personal opinion)
Forget the dragonball absorpton part, it was Goku walking as a ghost through the world tournament spectators while DAN DAN played in the backround showing all the big moments form dragonball and dragonball z. I legit had tears in my eyes because they were saying this is the end of Goku, the end of dragonball.
Ending was trash. Goku beats OS with a spirit bomb in his base form after getting killed? Nah. I never liked that ending, even as a kid when I liked the show just because it was more Dragon Ball smh. I'm fond of the Baby Saga and Ss4 Gojeta is alright but thats it
The ending with Goku going to visit piccolo in hell, killin, roshi, etc. Really hits me hard no matter how many times I have seen it. I was so happy that it came back with super but when watching GT as it was being aired in the United States, seeing the very end of dragon ball as we knew it at that time was super hard on me, brought tears to my eyes.
I like the way how GT ended It's the best ending one can give Full of suspense and making Goku immortal They could have draged the series for 350 episodes with more stories and finally give the same ending
ShredderGG Remembers the Funimation rap? _[shudders]_ I love Funi, and it wasn’t terrible, but I always questioned why they went with that rap when they made an English version of _Dan Dan_
Yess it does and it was made right after dbz so it felt like nothing was changing. Baby, super 17 and the shenrons were very memorable and the transformations as well. It began with the dragon balls...and it ended with them too
The first 16 episodes are such a slog that it's practically impossible to get past them unless you liked the initial Dragon Ball series so most DBZ fans just left. That and kid Goku. I mean they could've done at least something with Piccolo too...
10:32 "we don't know why Toriyama ended Dragon Ball when he did" Where else could he possibly have taken the story? After you've already blown up the Earth and threatened the entire universe, you just can't raise the stakes any higher.
You can, Super is an example. After the universe, you go a multiverse and threaten the destruction of the multiverse. Toriyama was just too tired and burned out back then to go that route, not because he didn’t think of a multiverse. He introduced 3 different timelines in canon that follow the MWI Multiverse theory. He even refers to the movies as their own timelines.
It's so smart how they scaled Goku down instead of keeping him so much more powerful than the rest. As shown in DBS everybody apart from Goku and Vegeta is now irrelevant because of Goku and Vegetas power.
You're letting your nostalgia get the best of you. GT still had anyone who wasn't Goku or Vegeta be worthless. Goku ended up fighting Baby alone, Goku ended up fighting Super 17 alone (with some slight help from 18), Goku and Vegeta ended up being the only two who could touch Omega Shenron.
I LOVED GT here is why. When Z ended i was still fairly young like most of us. I didnt know the difference between cannon and non i didnt know what was intended to be in the main story and what was side story. I just saw that there was going to be more dbz and i was excited. When Z ended i literally cried for like a week straight and did nothing but play bukadai 3 all day long. GT gave me something more to look forward too. it may have its flaws but i loved it.
It's funny that the reason they turned Goku into a kid again was to nerf him yet already in the first arc they make him fight and beat General Rildo, who's already stronger than Kid Buu apparently
They retconned it. By the time he regained his tail, he was equal to his adult form. Before that he only had less energy capacity, but his power was the same as always.
Trofulds It's Grand Trash, don't try looking for logic there. Somehow there were entire hordes of people stronger than Buu running around the universe and somehow nobody knew about them before - that's the entire "logic" of GeeeeeeTeeeeeee.
@Lord Cooler I have the strangest feeling that while you shit on GT for its inconsistencies you let Super slide with its mess of contrived power-scalings.
MOHAMMED WAFI who tf cares about canon anymore the dragon ball canon has been so fucked ever since the z movies started also like dragon ball super in any better of a name
Sadly GT never became as big as Z or OG Dragonball. Got axed 60 episodes in and ruined the dragonball brand like db evolution. Lol, GT didn't even scratch the surface of DB Super's hype that completely destroyed the internet and filled stadiums.
@@madmoai Gt came out when people were getting burned out from constant Dragonball, the quality may have something to do with it but it wasn't the main cause.
Linch Lord I actually agree that the early episodes of GT kind of sucked. It didn't really get enjoyable until Baby Saga. I guess the para para brothers were kind of funny.
Unpredictable. Yeah I can get behind that. But at the same time it leaves Alot of Problems open to invade what's already a Pre-established setting! The series was made by fans of DBZ for Fans of DBZ. I have no problem with this, But Fans aren't good storytellers, and it's very, VERY Clear from the events in GT just how bad some of these story beats are.
Don't Read My Profile Picture It happened, it was just stupid. Gohan goes SSJ 2 because a robot he's never interacted with that wanted to _kill his dad_ was killed as it was talking about birds. Meanwhile, his friends are getting beaten to death, and _that_ doesn't trigger him? Then there's Cell trying to goad him into getting stronger when he was already keeping up with Cell, Gohan getting his dad killed, Vegeta getting Gohan weakened, etc... Yeah, everyone in that arc contracted a case of stupid.
it didn't feel like a ending it felt like it would have an extra part after awhile if you watch the last ep of gt and then the goku jr movie, i felt they could have done a goku jr story at that point but then it would just be wrong like all the new yugioh's stories.
GT was a breath of fresh air for me after the original Dragon Ball. Most people are fixated on the fact that it isn't Z and that Goku is a kid. Who cares? GT brings back the sense of story and adventure that Z lacks. And I'm delighted to know that Toriyama was apart of the show after all.
Xiggyj Ugh.....look,i like that they're people who try to defend this series,but it just does'nt work,you and everyone else who watched gt knows that toei tried to capatilize on kid gokus success from dragonball,you not caring does'nt matter,that's just facts,it was an old gimmik that did'nt work at all,toriyama was responsible for super saiyan 4 and the title,as well as a few designs,that's pretty much it,does'nt seem like a lot of involvement to me,adventure feel?really....?the whole "black star dragonball arc"was a mess,it tried way to hard to be like dragonball and failed miserably,all in all,it was just a little gimmiky show to sell toys and games,kinda like dragonball super is right now,dbz also did this,believe me,i'm no fanboy,don't even get me started on the butchered characters.....
Tee Tee Him trying to capitalize on Kid Goku is facts and so what? People are literately butt hurt because he is a kid and for that reason didn't want to watch GT. Which is stupid. And if you watched the video Toriyama had way more involvement than just a 'few designs' he had involvement in the story, and the direction of GT. He signed off on a lot of the creative designs and aspects on the story, and that IS significant, he was pretty much a co-writer. As for YOU thinking it has no adventure...that's conjecture. GT most definitely gave us that sense of Dragon Ball that we were wanting and that Z didn't have. And yes GT did try to be like Dragon Ball, that's the point, lol, and no it did not fail in that regard, it did give us the adventure and story that Dragon Ball once did. GT did work for it's time and suffered from franchise fatigue like Geekdom stated. Your 'points' are mere conjecture.
Xiggyj conjecture?how's my info wrong? lol,dude you sound like a total fanboy, no offense, but before,i said i like that people try and defend gt,but you can't,the're way to many things you did'nt address in my comment,but i'll let it slide, i actually grew up liking gt,but i still see it for what it is now,and that it is just a poor cash in trying to be like dragonball,and yes that's the point,everyone knows that,and that's where it fails,it's got nothing to with dbz,i personally don't care about goku being a kid,that never bothered me,it was the poor execution the series had,it was'nt well written and you should know that,you're able to have your own opinion that's fine,but in reality,it was'nt a good series,nothing you say will change anyones perspective on that,i've watched all of gt by the way,along with the awful movie,no offense to toriyama,but,if "you" do your research,that is all of the involvement he really had,there's nothing else you can really say against that,when you tried to make it sound like he had major involvement,when he really did'nt,co-writer?toei were the only ones who touched those scripts,toriyama just approved of them,i doubt he wrote anything,same with dbs.
I agree that GT brought back a sense of adventure from the original dragonball, searching for the 7 balls like the old days on a universe scale was pretty cool. But I found the episodes to be boring and dry to be honest. Losing adult Goku was just the icing on the shit cake for me, but honestly it was a slew of factors. I'll admit it, I love the 7 episode power ups and the suspense it brought. I like the monstrous villains that grossly out-scale the heroes until Goku and cast find some new kind of form. I like adult Goku his lighthearted knuclehead demeanor until shit gets real and he has a death stare at his enemy. I like the crazy goosebumps I got when seeing Goku transform into a new height of power for the first time. Dragonball will always be in my heart as a great adventure, but to me Z was my super hero fantasy, much like a Marvel/DC teenage fanboy.
@@MichaelMiller-rg6or do you happen to own the Dragon ball z blue ray disks? I want to guy them but I need the English voice actors and bruce faulconer music that is how I watched the show growing up. It's a lot of money to waste if it is not the correct format
This explanation was actually everything. So thankful someone did a legitimate breakdown of all this. I liked GT personally, and for someone to break everything down like this was just music to my ears. Major props to you.
Yeah the concepts were GREAT ideas but the way they did it wouldve been much better in a different anime without the dragonball name. They just didnt understand the dragonball spirit and i dont think most fans understand either. Most fans are only in it for the endless powering up and spiky hair and shit. For me its more about what dragonball (the manga) is all about and seeing that come alive in super. Gt almost had it ironically in the episodes everyone hates (the first 16 which were actually closer to the manga than the others) Toriyama isnt into all that weird sci fi shit really. His characters have humor in them and come from classic oriental literature. Dbgt is just fucking star trek for weabs....
@Rough Divide super is aweome and why? I liked seeing them add in things they didnt have time to put in the movie. The animation sucked but that was due to the animators strike. It got better.
Unlike other manga artists these days this manga legend NEVER took any week break NEVER! (unless it's New Years) despite all them side projects.(Dragon Quest, Chrono Trigger, his own Illustration book etc..) What a legend.
Holy shit. This makes me love GT even more knowing all of this... That GT was originally going to be Super... And a lot of what GT has done, IS IN SUPER... To be honest, the only differences to me, is instead of Beerus, we get the Shadow Dragons... And in stead of Super Sayian God, we got SS4.,. I like to think of GT as an alternate timeline where Beerus never awakens...
I like to think that the DBGT series is in another multiverse separate from the Super multiverse. In my head canon, DBGT is in the Multiverse of the Original Movies and the Original version of the DBZ anime (The one where the Kais are the true head honchoes) while DBS is set in the nearly destroyed Multiverse of DBZ Kai (Where the gods and angels exist).
Knight41b GT is the original and Super is from an alternate reality on my end. RUclips is allowing me to communicate with all of you in Supers' reality.
Ave Satanas Luciferian ----Also got a similar clothing design for goku ----Vegeta wears black pants in both ----(Tournament of power)Gohan got blinded like ssj4 goku( vs eis shenron) and both used other senses ----They both get to universal power BoG and when popo talked about the shadow dragon(the first one or omega) destroyed a universe ----Ssg ritual and fully powered ssj4 ----Vegeta skips ssj3 ----Exploring the universe ----Goku thought as evil gt arrived at royal palace and tournament of power ----Frieza returns gt goku in hell and resurrection F + tournament of power ----Fusion doesn't get the kill gogeta vs shenron and vegito vs (merged) zamasu ----Pan ----New kamehameha variant And much more
Aaron Golden Not just a Machine... BULMAS Machine ;) Bulmas inventions have always be the deus ex machina (literally) ob DB Series. ;) But SSJ4 was well thouht because they took the first impression of what a SSJ could be from DBZ. When Vegeta talked about it the first tim, we got shown a golden ouzaroo. ;)
Geekdom is at his best when he's doing analysis of Dragon Ball related topics, not when he's doing weekly episode reviews. This is a perfect example right here. This video is so fucking interesting. Great job man.
In 2013, a timeline was included in the Chouzenshuu 4: Dragon Ball Super Encyclopedia, an illustrated book guide to the franchise, that was identical to the timeline used for the Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL art exhibition held in Tokyo and Osaka. Both timelines included the events in Dragon Ball GT, so the one used in 2017's Budosai is just further confirmation that, according to Toriyama and Shueisha, who own the franchise, the much-maligned anime is indeed canon.
This was a very well made and informative video! I knew a lot of this already, but I did learn some new stuff. GT gets unfairly hated on. For the most, I really enjoyed it. Especially Super Saiyan 4, because it's still the best looking transformation in my opinion.
When a series is too popular for it's own good, Franchise Fatigue comes in. Everyone was burnt out after Z ended and Dragon Ball was just too popular at the time to stop. Now that it's in a Renaissance, the people working on the franchise again has to make sure they don't make that same mistake with Super.
I really love GT currently re-watching the show ....... i think the story was good, but just needed more detail in terms of it's depth ..... The show just felt rushed from one thing to the next
A couple bad things about gt imo 1)Pan 2)kid Goku 3)not enough Vegeta, Gohan, Goten 4)killing piccolo/putting him in hell 5)Pan 6)no teen/adult Gotenks 7)how Vegeta got ssj4 8)Pan 9)How Trunks grew up 10)Pan The show had good ideas just poor execution imo
Dreamville 907 I disagree with 1,5,7,8,9,10. Pan isn't that bad. All you who hate her, hate her because she's a bit Whiney...and that's it, and it's not even as bad as people say it is. Vegeta getting the way he did is kinda mixed, but the way vegeta gets forms/skips forms in this series is like a meme. Regarding trunks, I feel if vegeta didn't seemingly stop fighting/or training or whatever trunks would probably be "better" but from the circumstances shown in GT it seemed about right.
The truth about GT is that if it was EXACTLY the same as it is today and toriyama has written it, it wouldn’t be considered bad. I watched it with an open mind and seriously enjoyed it. Especially when it came to the baby saga and shadow dragon saga
My grandfather told me that he saw The Titanic, and that from the beginning he warned all the people that that boat would sink, but they ignored him, however they were warned again in several occassions, until they kicked him out the cinema.
I really don't dislike GT that much. I don't get the extreme hate it receives. As a child I was just glad to have more Dragon Ball, so maybe that was it. SS4 Gogeta though will always be a legend IMO.
Hey Geekdom, dunno if you are aware or let him to, but the user anzu361 seems to be stealing your content. He made an exact copy of this video, but in Spanish...and has thousands of views. You should make something about it, since he is earning money by just stealing your research. Keep the good work.
MasterStryfe I think you are mixing people when answering...haha Well, the message was addressed to Geekdom (if he ever reads it, very unlikely), for him to decide if it was necessary to do something or not (again, the vid was already deleted, so never mind). The perceptions of third ones are secondary (it helps for making the message more visible), but the goal never was to have a reaction of viewers, but telling Geekdom: "As always, cool work, bro. Be aware of people stealing your hard work".
I think we can all agree that dragon ball GT actually had villains that actually had purpose and the ideas behind it were amazing (Not talking about Super17) A Villain that actually had a purpose for trying to kill Goku and Vegeta because his race were driven to extinction by the saiyans and is now seeking revenge by using the Saiyan's battle hungry strength against themselves. Then the final arc The Shadow Dragon arc had the perfect way to end the series by ending it the way it all started..... The dragon balls. This idea was actually perfect even though the writers of GT played it terribly, but the last episode was all that anyone could have asked for.
Jacobie Brian there's a problem.with that. The Saiyans were extinct so what revenge? Baby's goals were selfish conquering. And the shadow dragons are a good idea that actually doesn't make sense. None of the wishes were evil or selfish enough and the villains weren't really tied to it or the main characters or even had much of a goal. Not saying they were bad but you're being a bit hyperbolic here. Baby is basically the Androids. And db had good stuff without that. Like kami and piccolo were similar to the shadow dragons. Plus it's hard to say if they fit db since Tori didn't do it or how he would have done it. There is no totally good arc. There's good designs when it reached the baby Vegeta portion and the 17 portion.
D. San The Dragon Balls built up negative energy because the wishes weren't evil or selfish. I forget which of the dragons states this first but whether that makes sense to you is your own opinion
If they really insist on turning goku into a kid, It would have been better if it were others than just goku. I know super is already the "goku and vegeta show" But i think it would have been neat if vegeta was turned into a child aswell. That would have been something fresh for the series. Plus hilarious.
Jeb us they did! he's called Vegeta jr. in the gt movie 100 years later they introduce both Goku jr. and Vegeta jr. they even fight each other as Super Saiyans. I'm going to assume it was an idea that they were throwing around when they first premiered gt. but, later dropped. I honestly think turning Goku and Vegeta into kids would have made GT way more interesting. it would have de-scaled them heavily. fixing the problem super suffers from. I really think they would have had way more episodes if they kept Goku and Vegeta kids. it would have been an interesting Dynamic to see the other characters interacting with them. it's no surprise that Goku and Vegeta are the two most popular. their issue always being that they're too overpowered. weakening them both to Frieza Saga levels I think should have been the best solution. there's plenty more ideas creatively in the scale of Frieza and cell imo.
It had a better closing than super though. Also left more to the imagination. Goku got to train 100 years with shenron and become the dragon balls, so he was pretty much a demigod at that point.
Am I wrong for considering GT cannon I just see it as an alternative time line just like the timeline with the Androids and Goku’s heart issues this is like what if Beerus didn’t wake up (that seems to be the thing that kick started the change in events compared to super)
BBBlackBean right and it was originally db dbz then dbgt then they made him and we got super where GT was on the timeline and had he not woken up the events would have continued as before and GT would have happened
Black Goku facts, we've seen trunks way too much in dragon ball z (future and kid). let's see what's up with goten. I also miss his hairstyle at the end of DBZ. they should have stuck with that look.
I honestly thought making goku a kid made the story a lot more entertaining... it led to different humor and was almost like a permant transformation that made ssj4 even cooler
@@Josh.Aragon Maybe your argument is the invalid one mate. SS4 is symbolism of goku's race the saiyan, so it's make sense if in the end he'll became an ape. SSG is symbolism of japan itself with red colour, and i do know that, japan had red coloured round shaped in their flag with white background, it symbolize japan as "The Land of The Rising Sun" and yeah SSG pretty symbolic to that, everyone in this vids comment section said that Son Wukong gain his Godhood, well he does, but wukong simply gain his godhood retaining his ape form, if you wanna relate to that SS4 more symbolic to that tbh. SSGSS/SSB is just typically a recolour of SSJ1 with some modification, it straightforward. UI is the coolest form of Goku is correct, yes that is the coolest form or maybe strongest form? DB Fandom talk about UI mostly not because the crazy effort that mangaka put their effort to desain it rather by it's power, yes UI cool not because it's cool but because it's Bowerful. And yes that's my honest opinion, You can argue me, counter my opinion with everything you've got, in the end this is just an opinion, its on our head, its our mind, but please don't playing stupid or answer with rather dumb answer when replying to me, if you wanna relate to something or just taught me something just fucking watch DB/DBZ/GT/Super/Heroes or just read the frickin' manga from start to finish.
As what i understand about DBS super saiyan hair colour is from Toriyama said the color is represent fire colour.. Which is, Yellow (SSJ1 to SSJ3) the first heat Red (SSG) Second, more heat than yellow Blue (SSGSS or SGB) Third, more heat than red. White (Goku UI) Last, more heat than blue.. Correct me if im wrong..
@@Josh.Aragon if I were color blind then super Saiyan blue would literally mean nothing to me. Ss4 is the coolest transformation since great ape was introduced in og DB.
Making Goku a child in GT was the biggest turn-off for me. The series as a whole was good though. Nice character designs, superb transformations, nicely delivered ending...
May May That is an opinion and roshi not recognizing kid Goku immediately makes sense considering it's been over 30 years since he saw kid Goku hell he didn't even recognize teen Goku in dragonball and he didn't se him for like 10 years.
That was a turn off at first but i would say later on it stroke a nice balance between Goofy kid Goku and serious Goku, and you know when he change his expresion for a serious one even as a kid he would do something pretty amazing.
I dont understand why there was a decline in the Buu Saga and why some fans don't like the Buu Arc. That makes me very angry as Buu is one of the greatest Villians and Goodie of all time. Buu achieved what most villians could'nt. If it was'nt for Buu there would be No fusions/SS3/Redeeming Hercule/Majin Vegeta etc. so if your one of those fans who loved those aspects well you have the Buu Saga to thank for that. All fans should be appricative on getting new Dbz/GT/Super material and see it as an extentsion of the story we love.Fuck the haters. Yes, you might dislike certain elements but dont completley write off an Arc or series just because of whatever reason you think.
Same here. And on top of all that it had the perfect balance between action, slice of life, playfulness and seriousness. Which I would argue no other arc had.
I liked it after they got past the travel episodes. Once they started dealing with Baby and all it got really interesting, but everything before that was just kinda boring. As far as Goku being a kid.....eeeeeeehhhh. It doesn't "ruin it" but it does kinda hinder it a little. Especially when it comes to super saiyan 4's miraculous clothes change with his shirt appearing and disappearing out of nowhere and his pants, boots, and belt just changing color for no reason. All and all though, I kinda did like it.
GT gave me hope of an all white Super Sayain 5. As a kid I use to always google images of ssj5 and all fan based transformations of 1-10 even though I knew ssj3 was the max
In my opinion GT had some really good fucking concepts like the idea of the Dragon Balls being the greatest and final challenge for the characters to over come, and the concept of the ancient race of the tuffles exacting revenge on the Saiyans. The problem was that it was all just executed really poorly
Alexander B I agree, many of the arcs, characters and story had nice build up but we're completely wasted. Its the same how I feel for Super in how exectuiondnof many ideas and plots are less than satisfactory. Though the ending and ssj4 are the best parts of it.
Jon Koe I can assure you that I am not a sheep. This is the way I’ve felt about GT ever since I was a kid. I never thought GT was a good or even an OK series but I’ve always felt like it had good ideas ended up being badly utilized
It's not Cannon because Toriyama ended the DragonBall series after the Buu Arc. In fact Toriyama says "In my mind, Dragon Ball ended a long time ago" he goes on and calls GT a "side story". Its Toriyama's subtle way of saying it isn't Cannon
Ohhh my gosh 😲! This is absolutely the best video out there about the history of dragonball GT. (At least in my opinion) I have gotten the best info on the subject after ages!
DBGT needs to be rebooted and by that, Akira Toriyama needs to make his own manga version of DBGT and keep Goku as an adult, keep using the SS4 transformations, the sagas, SS4 fusion, the DBGT characters, etc. and make an anime version truly based on the manga version of DBGT. Not a bad idea, eh?
I think that Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr are the answers the questions the Franchise Fatigue. They came out of no where probably to solve a continuation to the show when it really needed a break.
![Felix "Unfair" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Oswujxm2Ag0/mqdefault.jpg)
This is not about canon or non canon or any of that. This is about clearing up the truth whole telling you the entire TRUE story of GT's production history
Geekdom101 But Dragon Ball Super is Better than GT Tho Rite 🤔🤔🤔🤔?????????????
I almost thought this was another flat earth theory, but this is even better.
Geekdom101 what do U think the chances of a angelic war with zarama ( created of super dragon balls) with him being good guys or villain and grand priest be good guy or villain.? The gods and angles would be split between both sides. Also who would win in a fight: alternate version of current Goku and vegeta to make vegito, fused with current goku and vegeta , and then those vegitos fuse(pretend it’s possible) vs the grand priest . This super or double vegitos also would have kaioken*20 and ultra instinct
Geekdom you should make a video of how hax these GT characters really are Iknow you’re not big on power levels but just to give the fandom an idea because everybody underpowers GT I know you kno how strong they are & I also know you can enlighten all of us with a video of the sort, thank you .
Cool vid. I never had a problem with GT its the fanboys that blow everything outta proportion. Even if completely diff people came up with it, it's still cool and creative.
GT was like a throwback to the original Dragon Ball series.
Yeah, at least in the early episodes Gt picked up the adventure tones that Z threw out in favor of hyping up the action.
@@darkprinc979 lmao yep
It was pretty much a rip of DB in the early episodes where child Goku dressed as a girl and there was a monster roaming into a small village.
Yep, a throwback to being garbage
@@DeathsInverse well someone's toxic
The real mystery is why the same photos of Toriyama are used in every video about Toriyama.
Doesn't he have any other photos of himself?
Lmmfao
He’s a super private guy I think. That’s why there is so few photos. That or people are so mad at how he wrote Gohan that he has to go into hiding (jk)
He does, just not good one.
@@thefirstguyjaek255 lmaooooooo
@@magentapurpleyap5566 he's ugly?
I might be a rare breed of Dragon ball fan that genuinely loves both GT and Super.
Same
No, you are a correct breed. It's just the best way for DB to finish though
Meowmers McBiscuit facts.. ppl are miserable asf
I'm right there with ya... I always really liked GT, personally. I liked how well it was able to recapture the fun, lighthearted tone of the original DB, and managed to incorporate an "adventure" spirit while also keeping the same sense of sense of scale in terms of villains and the threat they posed. I also really like the character development.
Best of all though, I like how streamlined GT felt - it manages to fit quite a lot of story material into its 64 episodes and keep things moving along with each episode, but the pacing still feels appropriate. None of them feel like filler - unlike DBZ, which is like 25 to 30% filler :P
As for Super, I just started it and am only 6 episodes in lol - but so far I love it!
@@illuminocalypse5210 Great Oppinion and all but, just what's with Anime fans and their Filler hate or disgust ?... i mean, do watching Gohan going home just to realize he should be brave against the saiyans hence character development Hurt that much your enjoyment of it all? Or do 2 enterteaning Namek detours just like how it happens in a irl situation in vacations is THAT boring to them ?
GT is one of those things where at first you didn't like or appreciate it bc it was different, but after a while it grows on you and you realize it was great in it's own ways and you start to reminisce about it.
Weirdly enough for me it’s the complete opposite. I’ve always loved GT, maybe because I was too young at the time to know what the heck “canon” even meant so I just enjoyed it for what it was and saw DBGT as the continuation to DBZ which at the time was the original canon continuation of the Toei Animated series (never the canon continuation of the manga). DBGT felt like it had such a fitting, impactful and well written ending (hence why I appreciate it so much).
Yesss
I never really disliked GT. I just never got around to watching it, in its entirety.
There are two things you need to know about GT.
1. Super Saiyan 4 is the best
2. Good musics including in the series.
Илья Король he looked cool but he just seemed like a vegito rip off. The Broly movie made gogeta a bit more serious and not as willing to toy with his enemies like vegito.
MUI Goku what do you mean good music. The gt rap sucked along with that guitar rift that played all the time. The Japanese intro was better.
Indeed
I wonder why they didn’t introduce SSGSS in GT since the timeline is set way after Goku mastered Super Saiyan God. That’s what I’m so confused about. It’s like the new db’s are just based on story’s leading up to the GT timeline.
@@CT--wx9lk Gt is a different timeline. One where goku never learned of god ki
Dragon ball gt was decent just a alternate timeline where beerus never woke up but the ending to gt was the best everyone cried it made actually really hard to say goodbye to one of our childhood beloved character.
To me, GT isn't canon. But, that doesn't make it bad. The Super Saiyan 4 Tranformation was pretty good, Baby was cool concept, and the Shadow Dragons were an interesting execution from the beginning. However, as time went on, all those things felt kind of disappointing (That is, if you exclude the SS4 Transformation).
you know Super can be still played out in the way that GT story still works ;p in fact i belive they pick time frame between Z buu saga and Z ending just to make story not collide with GT. When GT was made they never knew there gonna be Super
good way to think about it!
Fictional Fan that's how I make it cannon in my head
GT was terrible. I don't care about canon - GT was simply extremely bad. Also it's impossible for GT to exist anymore, there are far too many crucial differences between Super and GT (different depiction of hell, Kibito Kai defused, Freeza being insanely powerful, the existence of god forms etc.).
Ssj4 is still one of the best transformations
Correct ssj 4 was the true form that showed what a saiyan really is
It's Canon now because Toriyama said GT isn't canon but SSJ4 still was a canon transformation
Pink panther overrated lmao
Jhon Edinson not even
I agree, I always thought gt was meh but the ssj4 design was sweet
The GT song is epic makes me feel emotional every single time
Ill give u that. Its a good fucking song. They had a good composer although cha la head cha la will always reign supreme in my heart
Whats the song called???
Agreed
@@nerealombao2601 Dan Dan
Me 2 bro
Gt had some really good moments, namely (for me) going back to Saiyan origins with the Oozaru form, SSj4, the tuffles and baby Vegeta, the overall potential of what the Shadow dragon arc could have been, Pan potentially going Ssj and that very heartfelt ending with Goku leaving, It was alright.
Metsuryu Ogi Kai if they had given Pan a little less of an annoying personality and let her go ssj and take out some side enemies I think gt would have been better
creator 44 true
Don't forget Piccolo's death
Guy Guy how Tf did they ruin gogeta?
Pan has too much human blood, she may never go ssj
You can't deny that Super Saiyan 4 design is awesome and the final ending was legendary
I want the ending of super to be as similar as gt. Dragon ball started with Goku and the dragon balls, it should end with it as well. It was probably the best ending in the entirety of anime and manga history (my personal opinion)
Forget the dragonball absorpton part, it was Goku walking as a ghost through the world tournament spectators while DAN DAN played in the backround showing all the big moments form dragonball and dragonball z. I legit had tears in my eyes because they were saying this is the end of Goku, the end of dragonball.
Ending was trash. Goku beats OS with a spirit bomb in his base form after getting killed? Nah. I never liked that ending, even as a kid when I liked the show just because it was more Dragon Ball smh. I'm fond of the Baby Saga and Ss4 Gojeta is alright but thats it
Nah it is baaad
The ending with Goku going to visit piccolo in hell, killin, roshi, etc. Really hits me hard no matter how many times I have seen it. I was so happy that it came back with super but when watching GT as it was being aired in the United States, seeing the very end of dragon ball as we knew it at that time was super hard on me, brought tears to my eyes.
I like the way how GT ended
It's the best ending one can give
Full of suspense and making Goku immortal
They could have draged the series for 350 episodes with more stories and finally give the same ending
Dan Dan Kokoro Hikareteku was an amazing intro theme. Can't deny that.
ShredderGG Remembers the Funimation rap? _[shudders]_ I love Funi, and it wasn’t terrible, but I always questioned why they went with that rap when they made an English version of _Dan Dan_
It was mediocre. Nothing amazing about that.
Lord Cooler of course Cooler would say that
Kaleb Provost
Of course I would say the truth. That's not exactly strange.
Lord Cooler you're mediocre!!!
GT still holds a place in heart because of the nostalgia watching it as a kid.
I'm not sure why GT gets so much hate. I think it really carries as much spirit and heart as any of the other series and has some stellar moments.
Yess it does and it was made right after dbz so it felt like nothing was changing. Baby, super 17 and the shenrons were very memorable and the transformations as well. It began with the dragon balls...and it ended with them too
It has the flavor and essence of Z that is just completely absent in Super.
Because it's garbage and ruins every character except Goku. Even as a Goku fan, it was a little much.
Misinformation..
The first 16 episodes are such a slog that it's practically impossible to get past them unless you liked the initial Dragon Ball series so most DBZ fans just left. That and kid Goku. I mean they could've done at least something with Piccolo too...
10:32 "we don't know why Toriyama ended Dragon Ball when he did"
Where else could he possibly have taken the story? After you've already blown up the Earth and threatened the entire universe, you just can't raise the stakes any higher.
But goku flying with uub wouldn't be a satisfying ending tho
No, you can't raise the stakes higher after someone threatens to erase reality.
You know there is a thing called dragon Ball super that did exactly that
@@pangoomb6781 And Dragon Ball Super has shown just how awkward it is to have to keep upping the stakes even after a lot of breathing room.
You can, Super is an example. After the universe, you go a multiverse and threaten the destruction of the multiverse. Toriyama was just too tired and burned out back then to go that route, not because he didn’t think of a multiverse. He introduced 3 different timelines in canon that follow the MWI Multiverse theory. He even refers to the movies as their own timelines.
What bugged most about GT was how oiled up everyone looked.
They legit looked like they were all from Jersey Shore!
Not trying to start an argument, but I think Super suffered from this a lot more. I actually really liked GT’s art, aside from its weird color scheme.
tabulldog27
Agreed
Robert Sides
Agreed
Robert Sides so does whack ass DB Super
I'm glad Toriyama's daughter asked to get Vegeta's mustache removed!
I still think Super Sayian 4 is the coolest looking form. It's better looking then super sayian god and blue. Imo
Bro I agree. I think the form was actually super creative artistically. Even Gogeta I fap to. Gogetas voice is also amazballs
SSJ God, blue, and other forms in super are just lazy drawing, nothing changed except color and aura
Hui Hang Chong and being skinnier lmao
Not ultra intinct
FERMENTED Productions
USS, SS3, LSS, SS4 are my favorites.
It's so smart how they scaled Goku down instead of keeping him so much more powerful than the rest. As shown in DBS everybody apart from Goku and Vegeta is now irrelevant because of Goku and Vegetas power.
Except frieza, broly, beerus, whis, jiren, hit, etc etc. Lol
Andrew Verrett but here’s the thing aside from whis and berrus who are a god and an angel they are not main charters
they didnt have to scale him down. they couldve made the other characters stronger.
Two words about that Gt thing "GOKU TIME"
You're letting your nostalgia get the best of you. GT still had anyone who wasn't Goku or Vegeta be worthless. Goku ended up fighting Baby alone, Goku ended up fighting Super 17 alone (with some slight help from 18), Goku and Vegeta ended up being the only two who could touch Omega Shenron.
I LOVED GT here is why. When Z ended i was still fairly young like most of us. I didnt know the difference between cannon and non i didnt know what was intended to be in the main story and what was side story. I just saw that there was going to be more dbz and i was excited. When Z ended i literally cried for like a week straight and did nothing but play bukadai 3 all day long. GT gave me something more to look forward too. it may have its flaws but i loved it.
It's funny that the reason they turned Goku into a kid again was to nerf him yet already in the first arc they make him fight and beat General Rildo, who's already stronger than Kid Buu apparently
They retconned it. By the time he regained his tail, he was equal to his adult form.
Before that he only had less energy capacity, but his power was the same as always.
Trofulds
It's Grand Trash, don't try looking for logic there. Somehow there were entire hordes of people stronger than Buu running around the universe and somehow nobody knew about them before - that's the entire "logic" of GeeeeeeTeeeeeee.
Trofulds yeah that was a fail
@Lord Cooler I have the strangest feeling that while you shit on GT for its inconsistencies you let Super slide with its mess of contrived power-scalings.
General rildo was created recently by dr mew, probably wasn't even around during buu.
GT was an incredible series, the hate is senseless. Yeah it's not perfect, but SSJ4 was amazing and baby was a great villain.
For me the cell and baby sagas are the best.
GT was such a let down
I think it was cool. Despite the dark dragon balls saga which I think was too long and a little boring. But other than that it's a good series
MOHAMMED WAFI It is canon on its own timeline, check what Toriyama said about GT 😐
MOHAMMED WAFI who tf cares about canon anymore the dragon ball canon has been so fucked ever since the z movies started also like dragon ball super in any better of a name
A very well made and insightful video, well done. My hopes are for people to appreciate GT a little bit more. Appreciate it as it’s own thing.
Dragon Ball Black Gt to me was just wasted potential. It had need ideas and set ups but the overall execution was less than satisfactory.
Dragon Ball Black i read your comment with Goku Black's voice dubbed
💯💯💯
Dragon Ball Black If people of this fandom just like you all, things will get better.
I accept GT for what it Is,but to me its alternative timeline where scenarios after buu played out differently
People are really quick to forget just how big GT was back in the day.
People are real quick to forget .
Alot of people either didn’t kno about it or weren’t born yet..or old enough to remember
No one I knew watched it
Sadly GT never became as big as Z or OG Dragonball. Got axed 60 episodes in and ruined the dragonball brand like db evolution. Lol, GT didn't even scratch the surface of DB Super's hype that completely destroyed the internet and filled stadiums.
@@madmoai Gt came out when people were getting burned out from constant Dragonball, the quality may have something to do with it but it wasn't the main cause.
I thought GT was pretty badass
Yeah
Me too
@Your Mom Didn't Love you i enjoyed GT a lot until the shadow dragon arc... theres just so many inconsistencies and holes during that arc
Your Mom Didn't Love you Yup you definitely havent watched Gt. Super suffers from just as many problems
Your Mom Didn't Love you ok elitist gatekeeper located
The biggest faults of GT are Vegeta's mustache and Trunk's shorts.
yes f*** vegetas mustache >:(
@@justrandomgamer9490 oh FFS just a moustache
Vegetas mustache was fire
GT writers: who’s Gohan and trunks again?
@Joshua Spence well it wasn't that bad too me I liked it
I find it funny that most people hate the parts that toriyama worked on and liked the things he possibly didn't even touch
Linch Lord I actually agree that the early episodes of GT kind of sucked. It didn't really get enjoyable until Baby Saga. I guess the para para brothers were kind of funny.
Darkslayer Ryuu WE DO NOT SPEAK OF THE PARA PARA BROTHERS!!!
Quite ironic once you think about it.
Dragon ball GT is actually badass and unpredictable
Exactly!
Thank you
I wonder wot Toriyama felt wtchg the last ep of GT
Unpredictable. Yeah I can get behind that. But at the same time it leaves Alot of Problems open to invade what's already a Pre-established setting!
The series was made by fans of DBZ for Fans of DBZ. I have no problem with this, But Fans aren't good storytellers, and it's very, VERY Clear from the events in GT just how bad some of these story beats are.
Very unpredictable and was so vague in a way
your sounds are wacky. I'm turning the volume up and down constantly
I'm not the only one then.
This. Audio mix is like this in all of his videos. Please fix this
Shane Roberson 🤣🤣🤣
He needs to learn to normalize his audio
WORD!!!
I think one thing we can all agree on is that the last few episodes of GT were good and Gokus goodbye to Krillen was emotional
and that super 17 in form concept arc and idea sucks...
Pan was seriously wasted potential. She went from the successor of Gohan to a constant damsel in distress.
Greatsaiyakirby more succesor of Videl in the way she acts
Gohan, himself, is even more wasted potential.
King Kawayne But how can you waste potential that was never there?
Thebes342 So the cell battle just didn't happen then?
Don't Read My Profile Picture It happened, it was just stupid.
Gohan goes SSJ 2 because a robot he's never interacted with that wanted to _kill his dad_ was killed as it was talking about birds. Meanwhile, his friends are getting beaten to death, and _that_ doesn't trigger him? Then there's Cell trying to goad him into getting stronger when he was already keeping up with Cell, Gohan getting his dad killed, Vegeta getting Gohan weakened, etc... Yeah, everyone in that arc contracted a case of stupid.
I actually liked the laid back feel to the start of Dragon Ball GT. It reminded me of Dragon Ball, which I loved a lot.
I know a lot of people dislike GT but the ending was fucking amazing i think we can all agree on that
Lauxe - Yh, if you're a nostalgia-tard. The ending of GT made little to no sense.
it didn't feel like a ending it felt like it would have an extra part after awhile if you watch the last ep of gt and then the goku jr movie, i felt they could have done a goku jr story at that point but then it would just be wrong like all the new yugioh's stories.
Hell yeah bro
Lauxe best ending
Especially with the Japanese ost
Nobody talks about how badass the design of Omega Shenron is.. strong, big and intimidating.
GT was a breath of fresh air for me after the original Dragon Ball. Most people are fixated on the fact that it isn't Z and that Goku is a kid. Who cares? GT brings back the sense of story and adventure that Z lacks. And I'm delighted to know that Toriyama was apart of the show after all.
Xiggyj Ugh.....look,i like that they're people who try to defend this series,but it just does'nt work,you and everyone else who watched gt knows that toei tried to capatilize on kid gokus success from dragonball,you not caring does'nt matter,that's just facts,it was an old gimmik that did'nt work at all,toriyama was responsible for super saiyan 4 and the title,as well as a few designs,that's pretty much it,does'nt seem like a lot of involvement to me,adventure feel?really....?the whole "black star dragonball arc"was a mess,it tried way to hard to be like dragonball and failed miserably,all in all,it was just a little gimmiky show to sell toys and games,kinda like dragonball super is right now,dbz also did this,believe me,i'm no fanboy,don't even get me started on the butchered characters.....
Tee Tee Him trying to capitalize on Kid Goku is facts and so what? People are literately butt hurt because he is a kid and for that reason didn't want to watch GT. Which is stupid. And if you watched the video Toriyama had way more involvement than just a 'few designs' he had involvement in the story, and the direction of GT. He signed off on a lot of the creative designs and aspects on the story, and that IS significant, he was pretty much a co-writer. As for YOU thinking it has no adventure...that's conjecture. GT most definitely gave us that sense of Dragon Ball that we were wanting and that Z didn't have. And yes GT did try to be like Dragon Ball, that's the point, lol, and no it did not fail in that regard, it did give us the adventure and story that Dragon Ball once did. GT did work for it's time and suffered from franchise fatigue like Geekdom stated. Your 'points' are mere conjecture.
Xiggyj conjecture?how's my info wrong? lol,dude you sound like a total fanboy, no offense, but before,i said i like that people try and defend gt,but you can't,the're way to many things you did'nt address in my comment,but i'll let it slide, i actually grew up liking gt,but i still see it for what it is now,and that it is just a poor cash in trying to be like dragonball,and yes that's the point,everyone knows that,and that's where it fails,it's got nothing to with dbz,i personally don't care about goku being a kid,that never bothered me,it was the poor execution the series had,it was'nt well written and you should know that,you're able to have your own opinion that's fine,but in reality,it was'nt a good series,nothing you say will change anyones perspective on that,i've watched all of gt by the way,along with the awful movie,no offense to toriyama,but,if "you" do your research,that is all of the involvement he really had,there's nothing else you can really say against that,when you tried to make it sound like he had major involvement,when he really did'nt,co-writer?toei were the only ones who touched those scripts,toriyama just approved of them,i doubt he wrote anything,same with dbs.
I agree that GT brought back a sense of adventure from the original dragonball, searching for the 7 balls like the old days on a universe scale was pretty cool. But I found the episodes to be boring and dry to be honest. Losing adult Goku was just the icing on the shit cake for me, but honestly it was a slew of factors.
I'll admit it, I love the 7 episode power ups and the suspense it brought. I like the monstrous villains that grossly out-scale the heroes until Goku and cast find some new kind of form. I like adult Goku his lighthearted knuclehead demeanor until shit gets real and he has a death stare at his enemy. I like the crazy goosebumps I got when seeing Goku transform into a new height of power for the first time. Dragonball will always be in my heart as a great adventure, but to me Z was my super hero fantasy, much like a Marvel/DC teenage fanboy.
XiggyJ The problem is that GT didn't do DB well. I think it captured DBZ better than the original DB.
These GT haters had me fooled for years. Had me thinking that Toriyama had little to no involvement in the show
Welcome to a good bunch of the new wave DB fanbase sadly.... you may lose brain cells if you get involved so much with them in comments and such lol
same here, i was always told GT sucked and was canceled so i shouldnt waste my time... now im thinking of checking it out
@@TitusKingdom Its nowhere near as good as DB and DBZ, but its worth watching. I own it on DVD.
@@MichaelMiller-rg6or do you happen to own the Dragon ball z blue ray disks? I want to guy them but I need the English voice actors and bruce faulconer music that is how I watched the show growing up. It's a lot of money to waste if it is not the correct format
@@TitusKingdom No I don't. But I do have a Funimation subscription. I bought the GT box on a whim because they had it for like $25 at Walmart.
This explanation was actually everything. So thankful someone did a legitimate breakdown of all this. I liked GT personally, and for someone to break everything down like this was just music to my ears. Major props to you.
I liked SSJ4 and the concept of Baby and the Shadow Dragons.. execution not soo much.
why? what's the problem?
Yeah the concepts were GREAT ideas but the way they did it wouldve been much better in a different anime without the dragonball name. They just didnt understand the dragonball spirit and i dont think most fans understand either. Most fans are only in it for the endless powering up and spiky hair and shit. For me its more about what dragonball (the manga) is all about and seeing that come alive in super. Gt almost had it ironically in the episodes everyone hates (the first 16 which were actually closer to the manga than the others)
Toriyama isnt into all that weird sci fi shit really. His characters have humor in them and come from classic oriental literature. Dbgt is just fucking star trek for weabs....
@Rough Divide super is aweome and why? I liked seeing them add in things they didnt have time to put in the movie. The animation sucked but that was due to the animators strike. It got better.
The baby saga had good execution in my opinion
Execution was fine youre taking it too seriously
Unlike other manga artists these days this manga legend NEVER took any week break NEVER! (unless it's New Years) despite all them side projects.(Dragon Quest, Chrono Trigger, his own Illustration book etc..)
What a legend.
A lot of fans seem to forgot that Dragon Ball was firstly a humoritstic manga. Not necessarily a violence soap as it became at some points.
Mikhael Bureau Then it evolved to a series about Martial arts in Dragonball....
Dragon Ball GT Legacy:
*Super Saiyan 4*
lll-ハンク-lll STFU it was also the designs and villains which in super we just had one main villain so far
GOTENKS IS THE GOAT what's wrong with kefla
GOTENKS IS THE GOAT no, GT is just uninteresting and has nothing else redeeming about it other than ssj4, get over it
GOTENKS IS THE GOAT
You got 3 hours? Cause that's how long it'd take to answer your question.
13:17 RIP Kobe Bryant 😔😥😔🥺
Rip Legend😭😪😔💔
What's the difference between Kobe Bryant and my computer? If my computer crashed I'd actually give a fuck.
Yay he finally died
@@hatenate2070 damn that is messed up.
how heartless. hope you have fun in hell.
Holy shit.
This makes me love GT even more knowing all of this...
That GT was originally going to be Super...
And a lot of what GT has done, IS IN SUPER...
To be honest, the only differences to me, is instead of Beerus, we get the Shadow Dragons...
And in stead of Super Sayian God, we got SS4.,.
I like to think of GT as an alternate timeline where Beerus never awakens...
I like to think that the DBGT series is in another multiverse separate from the Super multiverse. In my head canon, DBGT is in the Multiverse of the Original Movies and the Original version of the DBZ anime (The one where the Kais are the true head honchoes) while DBS is set in the nearly destroyed Multiverse of DBZ Kai (Where the gods and angels exist).
Waiting for that time skip
Knight41b GT is the original and Super is from an alternate reality on my end. RUclips is allowing me to communicate with all of you in Supers' reality.
Ave Satanas Luciferian
----Also got a similar clothing design for goku
----Vegeta wears black pants in both
----(Tournament of power)Gohan got blinded like ssj4 goku( vs eis shenron) and both used other senses
----They both get to universal power BoG and when popo talked about the shadow dragon(the first one or omega) destroyed a universe
----Ssg ritual and fully powered ssj4
----Vegeta skips ssj3
----Exploring the universe
----Goku thought as evil gt arrived at royal palace and tournament of power
----Frieza returns gt goku in hell and resurrection F + tournament of power
----Fusion doesn't get the kill gogeta vs shenron and vegito vs (merged) zamasu
----Pan
----New kamehameha variant
And much more
The games basically treat GT as an alternate timeline. I like it that way since it means seeing the GT characters show up in some media be a surprise.
SSJ4 was more thought out and a better idea then this Red and Blue hair SSJ stuff. I'm a fan of all of it tho.
Still waiting for Super Saiyan Rainbow in DBS. I'm sure we will get it in a few months after Ultra Instinct has been overused/outclassed.
On that we agree. That was cheap and lame. But the 1st concept with Goku was on point.
Aaron Golden
Not just a Machine... BULMAS Machine ;) Bulmas inventions have always be the deus ex machina (literally) ob DB Series. ;)
But SSJ4 was well thouht because they took the first impression of what a SSJ could be from DBZ. When Vegeta talked about it the first tim, we got shown a golden ouzaroo. ;)
thats highley subjective
Aaron Golden didnt Vegeta sell his soul to babidi to get stronger in z? No? Yes? Ok then
Geekdom is at his best when he's doing analysis of Dragon Ball related topics, not when he's doing weekly episode reviews.
This is a perfect example right here. This video is so fucking interesting. Great job man.
In 2013, a timeline was included in the Chouzenshuu 4: Dragon Ball Super Encyclopedia, an illustrated book guide to the franchise, that was identical to the timeline used for the Akira Toriyama: The World of DRAGON BALL art exhibition held in Tokyo and Osaka. Both timelines included the events in Dragon Ball GT, so the one used in 2017's Budosai is just further confirmation that, according to Toriyama and Shueisha, who own the franchise, the much-maligned anime is indeed canon.
I miss yu yu hakusho....
Not really related... But me too.
I heard they bringing them back, I'm hoping it's true.
Yea I saw yu yu hakusho atleast a year ago on animax
ZonTheDon was it new??
Cedie Del Remedie nope
This was a very well made and informative video! I knew a lot of this already, but I did learn some new stuff.
GT gets unfairly hated on. For the most, I really enjoyed it. Especially Super Saiyan 4, because it's still the best looking transformation in my opinion.
MOHAMMED WALI cap he gave the heads up to make it therefore its the continuation can’t scream Super is canon and shit on GT
Dragon Ball in general is unfairly hated nowadays. People even hate on DBZ and DBS now, and its very annoying.
When a series is too popular for it's own good, Franchise Fatigue comes in. Everyone was burnt out after Z ended and Dragon Ball was just too popular at the time to stop. Now that it's in a Renaissance, the people working on the franchise again has to make sure they don't make that same mistake with Super.
Infinity Jay Super is already shit.
Infinity Jay they already made many big mistakes..infact..they've done Worse....lol..smh..
Yeah super sucks. Oh a big tournament... how fun
Infinity Jay I don't know I saw gt while z was high. And where I was, buu was popular. Gt came in and the wind ceased in the sails
Buggar I like it
I really love GT currently re-watching the show ....... i think the story was good, but just needed more detail in terms of it's depth ..... The show just felt rushed from one thing to the next
That moment when you realize that Super 17 was the original Merged Zamasu.
Ragovi the Brutal merged zamasu still had more personality.
Merged zamasu is far better tho
@@Ad-zu8bt not really.
Yup. I think super is basically toriyamas refined version of gt
How is merged zamasu anything like Super 17? Unlike Super 17, merged zamasu actually had a personality and a good motive.
I actually love GT
I love anything Dragon ball
Except evolution
Dragon ball evolution was awesome
When Yamcha beats Mr.Satan
And super imo
Evolution>GT
@@siddharthabhimanyu2937 Nah
@@TheUnrecognised-oo4pb keep crying and coping more kiddo. DBS is so much better than gt a million times.
A couple bad things about gt imo
1)Pan
2)kid Goku
3)not enough Vegeta, Gohan, Goten
4)killing piccolo/putting him in hell
5)Pan
6)no teen/adult Gotenks
7)how Vegeta got ssj4
8)Pan
9)How Trunks grew up
10)Pan
The show had good ideas just poor execution imo
You forgot Pan
Hey you forgot pan and super 17.
Completely agree
Dreamville 907 I agree
Dreamville 907
I disagree with 1,5,7,8,9,10.
Pan isn't that bad. All you who hate her, hate her because she's a bit Whiney...and that's it, and it's not even as bad as people say it is.
Vegeta getting the way he did is kinda mixed, but the way vegeta gets forms/skips forms in this series is like a meme.
Regarding trunks, I feel if vegeta didn't seemingly stop fighting/or training or whatever trunks would probably be "better" but from the circumstances shown in GT it seemed about right.
I like the shadow dragon arc and the baby saga arc! Those were amazing times and I still dig GT
I hated the super 17 Arc
@@zeekers5280 i loved it, short and sweet
i liked the shadow dragon and super 17 arcs, baby one was meh in my op
I didnt like the shadow dragons arc
Baby and the Shadow Dragon saga were great ideas, just executed poorly.
At least GT had better power scaling than Super...
AllenTsuna ya where everyone ever gets their ass kicked unless their name is "Goku". Real entertaining power scales.
At least super focuses on more characters than just Goku
Offcourse , everyone was weak as fuck , and goku was the only one with actual power ... power scales ... have you seen GT ?
Amexicanboy Rodriguez Yeah Im glad they tried to give other characters a fair inclusion. Im glad Master Roshi was able to contribute again.
Amexicanboy Rodriguez I disagree with that
The truth about GT is that if it was EXACTLY the same as it is today and toriyama has written it, it wouldn’t be considered bad. I watched it with an open mind and seriously enjoyed it. Especially when it came to the baby saga and shadow dragon saga
Kevin Johnson L
My grandfather told me that he saw The Titanic, and that from the beginning he warned all the people that that boat would sink, but they ignored him, however they were warned again in several occassions, until they kicked him out the cinema.
Super has WAY MORE "problems" or things that seem to fly in the face of the series own legacy compared to GT
@Stellvia Heonheim facts
Imagine if super was made first than GT second I bet people would hate super as much as they hate gt now
@@maadtee6281 then* it's a third grade skill :p
@@maadtee6281 I said the same thing the only reason Super receiving love as it is because the series had a long hitaus
@@Temujin18S super is crap
Only 3 things are boot in GT:
1 Openning
2 Ending
3 SSJ 4
Koshimaru Kisara wtf is “boot”?
Boot?
Koshimaru Kisara wtf does a boot have to do with GT?
B O O T
O
O
T
*Boot intensifies*
I really don't dislike GT that much. I don't get the extreme hate it receives. As a child I was just glad to have more Dragon Ball, so maybe that was it. SS4 Gogeta though will always be a legend IMO.
Same goes for me
I still see the fusion of ssj4 gokucand Vegeta to be in ssj5 or just a whole different form from ssj4
Ditto
Hey Geekdom, dunno if you are aware or let him to, but the user anzu361 seems to be stealing your content. He made an exact copy of this video, but in Spanish...and has thousands of views. You should make something about it, since he is earning money by just stealing your research.
Keep the good work.
Carlos Hernández 6
Carlos Hernández It was meant to be directed at that Masterstryfe guy -_-
Mr Robot My bad mate XD
MasterStryfe I think you are mixing people when answering...haha
Well, the message was addressed to Geekdom (if he ever reads it, very unlikely), for him to decide if it was necessary to do something or not (again, the vid was already deleted, so never mind). The perceptions of third ones are secondary (it helps for making the message more visible), but the goal never was to have a reaction of viewers, but telling Geekdom: "As always, cool work, bro. Be aware of people stealing your hard work".
Still no one can beat super saiyan 4 and the 2nd intro of dragonball gt.
I just want the shadow dragon arc redone in super, it has so much potential. Who else agrees with me?
SSJ Inferno109 no super is shit
I would like a retelling of it but actually competent, unlike super
TheStargov I don’t see how people can like super the writing is so shit
the AKC I know, it completely ruins any enjoyment the show could have.
TheStargov Fr they watch super but they can still call Gt shit when ssj4 is a better design than ssg ssblue and UI
I think we can all agree that dragon ball GT actually had villains that actually had purpose and the ideas behind it were amazing (Not talking about Super17) A Villain that actually had a purpose for trying to kill Goku and Vegeta because his race were driven to extinction by the saiyans and is now seeking revenge by using the Saiyan's battle hungry strength against themselves. Then the final arc The Shadow Dragon arc had the perfect way to end the series by ending it the way it all started..... The dragon balls. This idea was actually perfect even though the writers of GT played it terribly, but the last episode was all that anyone could have asked for.
Baby had a reason. Syn 17 didn't
Jacobie Brian there's a problem.with that. The Saiyans were extinct so what revenge? Baby's goals were selfish conquering.
And the shadow dragons are a good idea that actually doesn't make sense.
None of the wishes were evil or selfish enough and the villains weren't really tied to it or the main characters or even had much of a goal.
Not saying they were bad but you're being a bit hyperbolic here.
Baby is basically the Androids. And db had good stuff without that. Like kami and piccolo were similar to the shadow dragons.
Plus it's hard to say if they fit db since Tori didn't do it or how he would have done it.
There is no totally good arc.
There's good designs when it reached the baby Vegeta portion and the 17 portion.
D. San The Dragon Balls built up negative energy because the wishes weren't evil or selfish. I forget which of the dragons states this first but whether that makes sense to you is your own opinion
Shiro I think it was the first shadow dragon, the one with the cigar
I just finished GT today and all I can say is wow. I absolutely loved it. Perfect no but still great
Frieza!!
Legendary it was
Di Vepets ss4 was definitely wow
It’s a wow
did you watch the legacy of goku movie?
If they really insist on turning goku into a kid, It would have been better if it were others than just goku.
I know super is already the "goku and vegeta show"
But i think it would have been neat if vegeta was turned into a child aswell.
That would have been something fresh for the series.
Plus hilarious.
Jeb us
they did! he's called Vegeta jr.
in the gt movie 100 years later they introduce both Goku jr. and Vegeta jr. they even fight each other as Super Saiyans. I'm going to assume it was an idea that they were throwing around when they first premiered gt. but, later dropped. I honestly think turning Goku and Vegeta into kids would have made GT way more interesting. it would have de-scaled them heavily. fixing the problem super suffers from. I really think they would have had way more episodes if they kept Goku and Vegeta kids. it would have been an interesting Dynamic to see the other characters interacting with them. it's no surprise that Goku and Vegeta are the two most popular. their issue always being that they're too overpowered.
weakening them both to Frieza Saga levels I think should have been the best solution. there's plenty more ideas creatively in the scale of Frieza and cell imo.
I loved GT no fucks given.
I loved GT, the ending Is still sad.
Matt11 is pan even in the franchise any more?
It had a better closing than super though. Also left more to the imagination. Goku got to train 100 years with shenron and become the dragon balls, so he was pretty much a demigod at that point.
@@masontrimby8613 Pan is in super as a baby.
@@josh18230 dbh if that peaks there interest xeno pan
Well goku left because he felt like that if he stays on earth then he will make it vunerable yet he TRIED THAT IN CELL SAGA
It’s because dr Rota wasn’t in GT
Kingof Grim Because he has the power to...
LMAO!!
whats his special ability?
ad sense his ability is....
Dr Myu> Dr Rota
Am I wrong for considering GT cannon I just see it as an alternative time line just like the timeline with the Androids and Goku’s heart issues this is like what if Beerus didn’t wake up (that seems to be the thing that kick started the change in events compared to super)
No
Definitely not, I agree
@Joot 👏🏻👏🏼👏🏽👏🏾👏🏿
Beerus wasn’t even a thing back then and Beerus is just so awful to me
BBBlackBean right and it was originally db dbz then dbgt then they made him and we got super where GT was on the timeline and had he not woken up the events would have continued as before and GT would have happened
Gt is OK but they could have done better
doge king No doge
doge king Being better than Super is something though.
doge king agreed
Jordan Sharpe too bad its not cannon so everybody hates it and the bullshit that is dbs gets praised lol
Still better than Super’s anime
Super saiyan 4
Looks way better than any Super Saiyan God form 👌👌👌👌.....
no just no
Yasser Alotaibi ;
Super saiyan God
Is just Normal super saiyan with different colors
So Yeahhhh!!!
Bernardo Gonzalez yea if you’re a furry
definitely.
I agree... God forms really just look like a color change
I just hated how they changed Goku into a kid again. I wished Uub traveled with him instead of Pan. I barely got to enjoy his character throughout GT.
tutugoode22 yeah, and I wish goten would've went instead of trunks..
Black Goku facts, we've seen trunks way too much in dragon ball z (future and kid). let's see what's up with goten. I also miss his hairstyle at the end of DBZ. they should have stuck with that look.
I honestly thought making goku a kid made the story a lot more entertaining... it led to different humor and was almost like a permant transformation that made ssj4 even cooler
tutugoode22 agreed...
Alex 34651 I'm not going to lie, that transformation was pretty dope.
Shout out to Kobe at 13:19
Rest in paradise Kobe
GT had only 3 bright sides
1.) Theme song
2.) SSJ4
3.) No ribrianne
it has pan
the most annoying db character ever
@Yasser
Pan isn't the most annoying DB character
GT "Pan" is the most annoying DB character
Baby Vegeta, Super 17, The shenrons?
Greg Posey they all suck
Yasser Alotaibi man stop it lol
I feel bad for the dudes(real life people) that died in the 10 year gap they never got to know what else happened
Truth is, SS4 is actually a new transformation. SSG/B is just hair dye.
Ui is valid tho.
Your argument is invalid
@@Josh.Aragon Maybe your argument is the invalid one mate.
SS4 is symbolism of goku's race the saiyan, so it's make sense if in the end he'll became an ape.
SSG is symbolism of japan itself with red colour, and i do know that, japan had red coloured round shaped in their flag with white background, it symbolize japan as "The Land of The Rising Sun" and yeah SSG pretty symbolic to that, everyone in this vids comment section said that Son Wukong gain his Godhood, well he does, but wukong simply gain his godhood retaining his ape form, if you wanna relate to that SS4 more symbolic to that tbh.
SSGSS/SSB is just typically a recolour of SSJ1 with some modification, it straightforward.
UI is the coolest form of Goku is correct, yes that is the coolest form or maybe strongest form? DB Fandom talk about UI mostly not because the crazy effort that mangaka put their effort to desain it rather by it's power, yes UI cool not because it's cool but because it's Bowerful.
And yes that's my honest opinion, You can argue me, counter my opinion with everything you've got, in the end this is just an opinion, its on our head, its our mind, but please don't playing stupid or answer with rather dumb answer when replying to me, if you wanna relate to something or just taught me something just fucking watch DB/DBZ/GT/Super/Heroes or just read the frickin' manga from start to finish.
As what i understand about DBS super saiyan hair colour is from Toriyama said the color is represent fire colour.. Which is,
Yellow
(SSJ1 to SSJ3) the first heat
Red (SSG)
Second, more heat than yellow
Blue (SSGSS or SGB)
Third, more heat than red.
White (Goku UI)
Last, more heat than blue..
Correct me if im wrong..
@@Josh.Aragon if I were color blind then super Saiyan blue would literally mean nothing to me. Ss4 is the coolest transformation since great ape was introduced in og DB.
I think some lf you might agree that gt's theme song is fire though
Am I the only one that thinks the dbgt opening is the best of all the db franchise?
les vidéos de vinké yes.
The Radionic Revival okay
I think that it is a magnificent, even perfect opening, one of my anime favorites
les vidéos de vinké Yeah that and cha la head cha la are both top 2 imo
Yes
Making Goku a child in GT was the biggest turn-off for me. The series as a whole was good though. Nice character designs, superb transformations, nicely delivered ending...
Mahadeo S. I respect that opinion.
May May That is an opinion and roshi not recognizing kid Goku immediately makes sense considering it's been over 30 years since he saw kid Goku hell he didn't even recognize teen Goku in dragonball and he didn't se him for like 10 years.
Lockjaw Yes somewhat dragonball had that a lot and so did dbz but most if not all of that was filler.
That was a turn off at first but i would say later on it stroke a nice balance between Goofy kid Goku and serious Goku, and you know when he change his expresion for a serious one even as a kid he would do something pretty amazing.
Diego Medina Indeed!
I dont understand why there was a decline in the Buu Saga and why some fans don't like the Buu Arc. That makes me very angry as Buu is one of the greatest Villians and Goodie of all time. Buu achieved what most villians could'nt. If it was'nt for Buu there would be No fusions/SS3/Redeeming Hercule/Majin Vegeta etc. so if your one of those fans who loved those aspects well you have the Buu Saga to thank for that. All fans should be appricative on getting new Dbz/GT/Super material and see it as an extentsion of the story we love.Fuck the haters. Yes, you might dislike certain elements but dont completley write off an Arc or series just because of whatever reason you think.
Same here. And on top of all that it had the perfect balance between action, slice of life, playfulness and seriousness. Which I would argue no other arc had.
The Buu Saga had too much filler, in both the manga and the anime.
Aleisis watch the kai version it's actually better than the regular z version.
DarthDarkrai People hate the Buu ark because they judged Trunks and Goten too quickly.
💯 percent agree with u my man
“the story of dragon ball is the story about the life of goku” to all the goku haters
No one will watch db without goku
Good video, but dear lord dude, your audio mixing needs a lot of work.
Thank you for making this video Geekdom I love GT!
I actually liked gt....
I respect your opinion but personally goku turning into a kid ruined it for me
I loved the look of ssj4
Me too the whole boo saga and kid goku it was all fun to watch
I liked it after they got past the travel episodes. Once they started dealing with Baby and all it got really interesting, but everything before that was just kinda boring. As far as Goku being a kid.....eeeeeeehhhh. It doesn't "ruin it" but it does kinda hinder it a little. Especially when it comes to super saiyan 4's miraculous clothes change with his shirt appearing and disappearing out of nowhere and his pants, boots, and belt just changing color for no reason. All and all though, I kinda did like it.
*フランシスコ* ME TOO don't let anyone stifle our happiness
And there you have it folks. GT is in fact canon and Mr. Toriyama was fully involved. End of story.
GT gave me hope of an all white Super Sayain 5. As a kid I use to always google images of ssj5 and all fan based transformations of 1-10 even though I knew ssj3 was the max
Ssj5 is the max if you believe hard enough
In my opinion GT had some really good fucking concepts like the idea of the Dragon Balls being the greatest and final challenge for the characters to over come, and the concept of the ancient race of the tuffles exacting revenge on the Saiyans. The problem was that it was all just executed really poorly
Alexander B I agree, many of the arcs, characters and story had nice build up but we're completely wasted. Its the same how I feel for Super in how exectuiondnof many ideas and plots are less than satisfactory. Though the ending and ssj4 are the best parts of it.
Jon Koe I can assure you that I am not a sheep. This is the way I’ve felt about GT ever since I was a kid. I never thought GT was a good or even an OK series but I’ve always felt like it had good ideas ended up being badly utilized
Ack, please do some equalization of the music clips you've incorporated to match the volume of your voice - they're 3x louder.
My personal favorite misformation was someone once told me, they made GT because Toriyama died, and they made GT to honor him smh lol!
If ssj4 was in super instead of ssjb..I️ would actually enjoy super a bit more tbh. The form was the only reason I️ watched gt....and baby vegeta too
Uzumakiboy55 super 17, Baby, and the Shadow Dragons were cool.
Rip bulma’s voice actor. She will be missed.
So basically GT IS cannon if toriyama approved of it and had a huge involvement in the beginning
It's not Cannon because Toriyama ended the DragonBall series after the Buu Arc. In fact Toriyama says "In my mind, Dragon Ball ended a long time ago" he goes on and calls GT a "side story". Its Toriyama's subtle way of saying it isn't Cannon
MOHAMMED WALI its canon if u see it as after DBZ
Ohhh my gosh 😲! This is absolutely the best video out there about the history of dragonball GT. (At least in my opinion)
I have gotten the best info on the subject after ages!
I can't watch this. Audio is way too unbalanced. One minute it's really quiet, next it's super loud.
The dude is just unnecessarily mad. Like who the hell is he arguing with
True, the transitions are too loud
Gt still has the best opening specially in Latino.
DBGT needs to be rebooted and by that, Akira Toriyama needs to make his own manga version of DBGT and keep Goku as an adult, keep using the SS4 transformations, the sagas, SS4 fusion, the DBGT characters, etc. and make an anime version truly based on the manga version of DBGT. Not a bad idea, eh?
GT doesn't need a manga to makes sense the same way fillers don't hurt anyway. Althought i do agree that it should be retckoned to fit with Super....
that's a terrible idea
It’ll never happen
@@MrZangetsu468 Nah, it may happen to match with Super though
I think that Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr are the answers the questions the Franchise Fatigue. They came out of no where probably to solve a continuation to the show when it really needed a break.