I know Benn has the Art Ross trophy, but I don’t really see him as a Hall of Famer. 909 points in 1117 games is very good, but not great. Tavares for instance has much more impressive totals, and I wouldn’t say he’s a lock either at this point.
Benn only has an Art Ross because John Tavares was too honest and reported that he hadn't actually scored the goal that would have given Tavares the title over Benn. Benn has no business being considered.
As a stars fan, I’d agree. I mean, he did deserve his Art Ross regardless of whether Tavares was “too honest” or not. Weird take. But until the Stars win a cup there’s no case for his inclusion. He’ll have his number retired at Dallas of course, but he’s not quite there for HoF
@@itzshade7830 The rule is you are eligible three years after your last professional game, not after your official retirement. Even though Weber isn't officially retired, he last played professional hockey in 2020-21, so he was eligible. Same thing happened to Pronger in 2015.
I think Cale Makar is extremely close. He is just the 3rd defenseman in NHL history, after Bobby Orr and Nicklas Lidstrom, to win the Norris Trophy, Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe Trophy in the same season when the Avalanche won it all in 2022.
I agree, but you don't make it off one great season. Not that that's all he's had, or all he will have...I just think if he retired tomorrow that in itself isn't enough. If he plays another 5+ years as a top 5 d-man in the league, he's in for sure 👍
@@crushdavis7048not first ballot but I think whenever he’s near the end of eligibility he’s in. Keep in mind he was a fantastic college player too, a Hobey Baker Award winner who took a middling program to the Frozen Four Final.
Petro (individually speaking) is a borderline case, but his postseason success might be used as extra credit to push him over the top (like Glenn Anderson)
@@11DNA11 He was great everywhere, but his regular season stats wouldn’t immediately paint him as an obvious Hall of Famer. His playoff stats where just the cherry on top to help push some voters over the edge.
Personally, I like the yearly limit of inductees. It keeps the HOF prestige. I don't want to see it become like the WWE HOF where it becomes "everyone gets in eventually." The HOF should be for the elite of the elite only. There were players mentioned in this video that I personally wouldn't induct myself.
@@Jooseppi420 I think there is one thing you have to keep in mind is that the list can't see into the future. It judges players based on who is already eligible but not in and those active in the league that could be eligible but can't factor in future great players that might knock many of the borderline players he mentioned down the list.
Exactly, like there’s hall of “really good”, but are they hall of fame? Hall of fame to me is championships, awards, longevity, best of the best, etc. half these guys I say NO
Too late... It's not like the MLB which is only the elite... Take a look at the NHL and a lot of questionable players are in there... Not exclusive at all! Seems like if you can muster a point per game for a career on a big market contender then you're in...
It would be really cool if they both retired the same year, Ovi as goal record holder, Crosby probably #6 in points...and then get the waiting period waived. But I think Ovi stops after 25-26 and Crosby plays at least 1 more season if not 2.
@@v4v819 The waiting period was waived for ten players deemed exceptionally notable; Dit Clapper (1947), Maurice Richard (1961), Ted Lindsay (1966), Red Kelly (1969), Terry Sawchuk (1971), Jean Beliveau (1972), Gordie Howe (1972), Bobby Orr (1979), Mario Lemieux (1997), and Wayne Gretzky (1999).
They’re never waiving the waiting period again. They made that an ironclad rule so it would take another Gretzky to make them change it and great as Sid is, he’s just not that.
@@MDK2_Radio but they not only waived it for Gretzky. 10 players had the time waived. I'm not saying it should be a certainty that it is waived for Crosby. But Crosby and Jagr are two players that are still active, where you could make an argument for waiving the waiting period.
@@golliday917the rule was adopted AFTER Gretzky. They closed that door after him. I’m not saying that you can’t make the case, I’m saying that they decided nobody else will ever get a waiver.
If he would have won a single Norris he would be for sure. That being said, spending a decade plus as one of the top guys at his position, while being a top defenseman for multiple cup teams should be enough regardless.
@@Musso8771 Im absolutely baffled that Letang never won a Norris, I thought he for sure had at least 1. But I guess this was the time of when Weber, Keith, Seabrook, Subban, Petrianglo, and so many others were also in their prime at the same time as him.
Long time Blues fan here and I agree. Love Vlady and what he did for us in our epic Cup run of 2019, but I think he qualifies for the Hall of the Very Good, but not the HOF.
Brent Burns is a lock. Played D and Forward. Longest active game stream. Will be close to 4th overall if plays all games again this season. Lone active defenseman with over 600 assists. Norris, 6 all stars appearances. Absolutely no one wants to mess with the guy and great teammate.
Keep in mind guys, some of these players can get it by their international play too. Ppl think Hockey HOF is just NHL which is not the case. Hockey HOF = NHL+International play. I can see Nico getting in if he wins a cup and some Selke, he is already a big name for the Swiss team, which also counts toward the HOCKEY HOF.
Stupid lockout. Ovi obviously deserved it, but should have won the 2004-05 Calder and already have over 900 goals. Other than Ovi's rookie year, Crosby's rookie year probably the best since Selanne (I think the goalie stats from the Calder winners during the dead puck era are a little overdone)
kinda surprised Marchand is “only” borderline. for me he’s a first ballot guy. one team player, leaves everything out there, consistently one of the hardest players to play against. he’s exactly the kind of rat you want. on that note i’d also be willing to include M. Tkachuk at this point although he’s obviously still young and has a lot to achieve. but for the same reasons as Marchand for me he is HOF material already
As much as I despise Marchand, I'd have to agree. He's the heart and soul of the bruins if you ask me, especially since Bergeron retired. Marchand and Bergeron ARE the bruins in my mind. Marchand is usually a lock for 30ish goals every year, can play in every situation, and he's an extremely effective agitator, hence why I don't like him lol. Not sure how much hardware he's got, but he's definitely been inpactful for his whole career. He's this generation's Ulf Samuelsson, people will definitely remember and talk about him HOF or not
Definately has the stats, but his attitude over the years is DEFINATELY going to hurt him. When you have to get a call from the home office to be told as an adult man to STOP LICKING YOUR OPPONENTS, that HURTS your career impression.
@@Scoots_McGee Unlike Samuelsson Marchand has true all round ability and is not just a rat. He reminds me of Ted Lindsay, short, tough, a dirty stinker, but a truly talented Left winger.
The only one you put a check next to that I don't think makes it is Benn, I hope he gets in. I think that Tavares would get in before Benn and I'm not sure Tavares makes it, I hope he does. It took you too long to put a check mark next to Giroux! Thank you for another great video!
I liked the aside about the league going back and adding overlooked two-way forwards from history to the HoF - could you see yourself doing a video on those?
I played a game while watching this by thinking which players theyd put into the HoF before Alex Mogilny, but then I realized they'd put them all in first.
Agree with everything except Benn, as I'd put Tavares ahead of him. He did win an Art Ross, yes, but in one of the lowest points scoring years in recent memory.
@@SverigeiSverige Tavares actually was credited with a goal that would have given him the win, but he was honest and said he hadnt tipped it. Can't imagine Benn doing that.
Still the most overrated player in the league post 2000. He's a HoFer but mostly because of team play. Individually, he's meh. He has one Selke Award. Just over 1K games played (great, but not amazing), only 883 points (way less than a ppg player, good but not amazing), 372 goals :/, and 511 assists :/. Pretty pedestrian offensive numbers. His cups get him in. If he didn't have cups, he's not a HoFer. 1 Selke and those offensive numbers, nope.
@@adamlewis5700 Jonathan Toews is a 2 way forward, so saying he has “pedestrian offence numbers”, definitely shows how long you’ve been watching hockey.
@ ah yes you mean playing it and watching it my entire life (born in the 80s)…Toews is a two way forward with, let me check, ONE Selke Award…that’s it. He couldn’t have been that good defensively. And the way he was being hyped by Blackhawk fans like he was Crosby or Ovi’s equal was and is still laughable. Fringe HoFer in my opinion but he was a media darling and gets in because of cups.
Abnormality? He's also won like almost every title there is to this game. Cup, Olympic games, World Cup, WJC, First team all-star, Hart, Rocket.. to name a few.
@@mythbhavd Would Backstrom have his prestige without Ovi? It's a similar question, but I think Backstrom was helped more than Ovi. I think Backstrom and Letang get in by association to the actual Hall-worthy inductees.
Backstrom has only been selected to 1 all-star game, no post-season honor, and barely made over 1000 points. It's hardly HOF credentials. As a Caps fan, of course I would like to see him in, but it's not likely. I would rather see Holtby (5 all-star games, 2 all-star teams, 1 Vezina, 1 Jennings and 1 Cup) and Carlson (2 all-star games, 2 all-star teams and 1 Cup) to get in.
@@kel98551000 points and a cup should be enough. Also had many ppg seasons including an over 100 points season in the era that 100 point seasons were rarer.
Something cool you could do is try to predict the next Hall of Fame induction class, and maybe rank those players that have already missed out on their first ballot. Top 10 or 20?
Good show today. I was amazed with the selection of Jamie Benn for the Stars. I think for him to make it though he would have to hit the 500 goal level and he is about 140 or so away from that. I really wish that Joe Pavelski would have played one more year and had a chance for 500 goals, but alas........ It would be interesting to see into the future to see if some of the Stars young talent plays up to that level and makes the HoF. Johnston, Robertson, Hintz, Heiskanen, Stankoven, ....maybe even Harley and Bourque.....Oettinger.....one, two, none.....who knows.
Couture especially. To have your ankles so completely turned to dust so early in your career and keep going? I mean what could have been if Datsyuk hadn't have happened to him.
I’m lucky to be in Colorado and a hockey fan. Started watching hockey as a 12 yr old in 95’. Not a bad time to start haha… was in fl visiting my grand parents during the final win. Was nuts. And Makar is only 25… so ya. He’s nuts. He’s a walk on imo as he’s done hall of fame stuff already by setting all time records for d men. Mack is for sure making it. Rant is almost there. But I’d say another few years and for sure.
Looking at this list of players, this video gave me an idea for a future video. What's the next number to be retired for each team (past or current players).
I’d also argue with putting Montour, McCann, Tarasenko, Seider, Rasmus Anderson, Nazem Kadri & Mackenzie Weegar on the board. Do I think they’re HOF? Maybe not but are worth mentioning.
Not really sure how Pasta and Drai are in and Marner is "close" and Rantanen isn't just straight up in. One of the best playoff performers in the past decade, Stanley Cup, multiple 100pt seasons. That's a really weird take.
As a Leafs fan Rantanen is one of the most underrated players in the NHL. IMO. Probably an unfortunate side effect of playing with MacKinnon and Makar. Though I fully agree Pasta and Drai are in and Marner is close. Don't see how that is confusing.
@MikeC-nu7ty yeah not saying those are confusing, but not saying Rantanen is in or close to in is absurd. Pasta and Drai are missing the most important piece of hardware. Rantanen went through Drai to get his and dominated in that series. Idk just doesn't make sense to me how he's not rated on the same level. Nate, Kuch and McDavid are all a step ahead of these guys and McDavid is a step ahead of Nate and Kuch. That's kind of why it's weird to me.
@chanses7576 like I said. It's just because he's living in MacKinnon and Makars shadow, unfortunately. I barely even see his name mentioned ever despite being a top 10-20ish player in the league (which is insane in the NHL these days). It's crazy. It's just such a stupid time in hockey talent wise that a lot of these great players don't get the recognition they deserve. Edit: changed to 10-20ish. He's amazing but I think top 10 is pushing it.
@@MikeC-nu7ty It's a blessing and a curse, so many fun players to watch but most casual fans just lock in on the top superstars. Before Johnny's unfortunate death, I truly don't think most eastern conference team fans knew he had 115 points, was 4th in hart voting and an arguable top 5 player in the league in his last season with the flames. Same could be said for Barkov before the cup run and many others.
What are your thoughts on holtby? I think he has done more then enough to make the HOF so i was a little surprised to see him not on there. Love the videos keep it up!
8:20 I think if you’re gonna look at the blues it’s gonna have to be Robert Thomas. If he stays at the pace he’s at points wise for a few years and gets some Selke consideration than that gives him a good case
Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kane, Stamkos, Hedman, Mcdavid, Fleury, Kucherov and Vasilevskiy are the guys who could stop right now and be in for sure. Mackinnon and Makes are right there at the door too.
Would you make a video where you make the case for like the top five most controversial yes's and no's on this list based on comments or a poll please? My votes would include: Benn, Perry, Panarin, Point, and Letang. Honorable mention to Pastrnak.
I think what a lot of people forget it that it is NOT the NHL Hall of Fame, it is the Hockey Hall of Fame so you also look at what they did in junior and international competitions. Corey Perry for example on his NHL record alone I don't think he would get in, throw in junior and international and he surely gets in.
Marchand has a Stanley Cup, international championship resume, 2 first team all-star and 2 second team all-star., 1000+ games played and will likely break the 1000 point mark as well. As much as he is hated by so many i think he is a pretty safe bet he gets in the HOF
in my personal opinion i would include marchand, pietrangelo, and even letang if benn, panarin, pasta, josi and giroux are also being included. if eichel can win an individual award or two or another cup i would also like to see him in, he could’ve easily won the conn smthye in 2023. (totally not biased 😏)
Re: Weber: For me, the deciding factor was everyone was sure that Montreal was going to lose that Subban trade and while Subban definitely lost the trade, even if Subban had been classic Subban for the balance of his contract, Weber would've been an emphatic win.
Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, Anze Kopitar, Patrick Kane, Evgeni Malkin, Steven Stamkos, Victor Hedman, Alex Pietrangelo and Drew Doughty would all get my vote without question. On the borderline I would put John Tavares, Erik Karlsson, Kris Letang, Brad Marchand and Claude Giroux. Future HOF locks (pending health) - Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Auston Matthews, Nathan MacKinnon, Cale Makar, Nikita Kucherov, Artemi Panarin, David Pasternak, Roman Josi.
Makar is already and unequivocally a lock. The man got all conceivable major trophies for his position at the age of 23. The only possible concern is longevity, but that wasn't really the case for Orr's induction either and he still is the measuring stick for all defensemen. As for Makar, even potential career-ending injury in the foreseeable future can't take away what he has already achieved. Sure, he's got some iffy defensive reputation for the time being, but stay-at-home tendencies tend to peak much later in players' career. Bar a terrible mishap, the dude's gonna be a HOF-Av until kingdom come. Much peace, brethren.
I think Makar becomes a HOF lock possibly even by the end of this season if he finishes with hardware of some kind (one of norris or stanley, etc), he's so close but obviously so young still
If a trend develops towards increased inclusion of defensive forwards, then Mark Stone will be a hallmark member of that group, especially with that Cup. Though there’s likely a brief third act still to come, after Vegas inevitably dumps him.
How about a 2-way blast from the past - Claude Provost. 1005 games, 9 Stanley Cups, 11 ASGs, including 10 in a row + the first Bill Masterton Trophy. If Bobby Hull was still alive he would say, 'That SOB ... haha ... of course he should be in the hall.'
Provost and Dean Prentice deserve to get in, Prentice never won a Cup, but was one of the best two way forwards at the time. Provost was a superstar checker.
Ovechkin being two years older than Sid, makes it unlikely they retire together. I don't think Ovechkin has the gas in the tank. Unless they throw him out there simply to stand at his spot on the powerplay ripping one timers.
@@ethanparker7900 The Blues won their first and only Stanley Cup because of Binnington. They were dead last in the NHL on Jan 1 2019. Brought Binnington up from the minors, won his first game in a shutout. Saved the Blues bacon numerous times in the 2019 playoffs. Played brilliantly in Game 7 in Boston, particularly in the first period when the Bruins had a huge edge in play. Yeah, just like Patrick Roy, Ron Hextall, and a host of other great goalies, Binner has a temper and can be a diva. But he is definitely not overrated - matter of fact, in the national media, he’s underrated.
Surprised you didn't mention Logan Couture in San Jose. I doubt he gets in but he's had a long career, a few deep playoff runs, and he's had loooong stretches where he's been the best player on his team, so worthy of consideration.
Ur putting pastrnak but not Rantanen, i dont mean to disrespect Pastrnak he is so good but so is Rantanen and he has won cup and has better playoff stats
@@psychedelicstrategotutoria9984Pastrnak is not carrying The whole Boston team is strong they play well together and they Have had great goaltending for many years
I agree with pretty much all of this tbh. But I just don’t think Jamie Benn is HOF bound. But he has had a resurgence, so maybe after a couple more good seasons, and hopefully a Stanley Cup.
He's not a lock at all. He won a cup on a ridiculously stacked team and his career regular season numbers are like 30th in the NHL depending on how you weigh them. He'll most likely get there. But he wouldn't if he retired today.
Maybe im just too high on Quinn Hughes, but he facilitates the entire offence pretty much every game. If he gets a cup on top of his norris, i would vault him to hall of fame immediately.
Carey Price winning gold at the 2014 Olympics does help his resume. But it makes me wonder if other players could have had that precious bump if the NHL players would have played at the '18 and '22 Olympics
Marchand is absolutely in the hall of fame, half the reason people hate him is because he's so good
I know Benn has the Art Ross trophy, but I don’t really see him as a Hall of Famer. 909 points in 1117 games is very good, but not great. Tavares for instance has much more impressive totals, and I wouldn’t say he’s a lock either at this point.
Benn only has an Art Ross because John Tavares was too honest and reported that he hadn't actually scored the goal that would have given Tavares the title over Benn.
Benn has no business being considered.
I agree I think seguin has a better argument imo
Ben is no HOF, very Dallas stars fan take lol
As a stars fan, I’d agree. I mean, he did deserve his Art Ross regardless of whether Tavares was “too honest” or not. Weird take. But until the Stars win a cup there’s no case for his inclusion. He’ll have his number retired at Dallas of course, but he’s not quite there for HoF
@@iCoolaxe Benn is literally a worse person and worse player than Theo Fleury. If they put in Benn before Fleury I would lose it.
Shea Weber was elected into the Hall of Fame back in June 2024.
Seems like a lock to me
Which makes no sense like how did he qualify
@@itzshade7830 The rule is you are eligible three years after your last professional game, not after your official retirement. Even though Weber isn't officially retired, he last played professional hockey in 2020-21, so he was eligible. Same thing happened to Pronger in 2015.
@@ovenchicken928 You can't play in the NHL after you have been inactive in hockey for 3 years that is why...
@@v4v819 tell that to Guy Lafleur and Mario Lemieux!
I think Cale Makar is extremely close. He is just the 3rd defenseman in NHL history, after Bobby Orr and Nicklas Lidstrom, to win the Norris Trophy, Stanley Cup and Conn Smythe Trophy in the same season when the Avalanche won it all in 2022.
i think if he plays 3 more years at his current pace, he will be a lock. But if he hung em up today, yea I would say probably not
He needs more games to get in like 4 seasons i would say Mackinnon needs one as well which will be this season when he gets to 1000 points
I agree, but you don't make it off one great season. Not that that's all he's had, or all he will have...I just think if he retired tomorrow that in itself isn't enough. If he plays another 5+ years as a top 5 d-man in the league, he's in for sure 👍
@@crushdavis7048not first ballot but I think whenever he’s near the end of eligibility he’s in. Keep in mind he was a fantastic college player too, a Hobey Baker Award winner who took a middling program to the Frozen Four Final.
It's a little early. You talk like he's your brother or something.
Petro in my opinion will make the HOF. 2 cups and a lengthy career and all of his leaderships over the years.
Petro (individually speaking) is a borderline case, but his postseason success might be used as extra credit to push him over the top (like Glenn Anderson)
@@ovenchicken928 Anderson was a great player everywhere, not just playoffs
@@11DNA11 He was great everywhere, but his regular season stats wouldn’t immediately paint him as an obvious Hall of Famer. His playoff stats where just the cherry on top to help push some voters over the edge.
I think the same about the quality as leader
idk ab that man cause his regular season stats haven't really been the best before and doesn't have any individual awards
That video he did years ago was my first watch of THG. Love the channel and glad to see the conversations revisited!
Shesterkin definitely gets in, but i'm not so sure about Shesterkin.
What about Šesťorkin?
@@SFUSW
why do those letters have tumors growing on them? did the russians spill a bunch of radiation again?
They have comparable stats, though 🤔
@@jma.87I truly believe Sst should get in too
@@sst6601 😅 lock of the century, my guy
Personally, I like the yearly limit of inductees. It keeps the HOF prestige. I don't want to see it become like the WWE HOF where it becomes "everyone gets in eventually." The HOF should be for the elite of the elite only.
There were players mentioned in this video that I personally wouldn't induct myself.
There were too many guys going in Hall of fame on this list. I agree with you 100 %!!!
@@Jooseppi420 I think there is one thing you have to keep in mind is that the list can't see into the future. It judges players based on who is already eligible but not in and those active in the league that could be eligible but can't factor in future great players that might knock many of the borderline players he mentioned down the list.
Exactly, like there’s hall of “really good”, but are they hall of fame? Hall of fame to me is championships, awards, longevity, best of the best, etc. half these guys I say NO
My dude, Guy Carbeneau made it. It's already the Hall of the Very Good.
Too late... It's not like the MLB which is only the elite... Take a look at the NHL and a lot of questionable players are in there... Not exclusive at all! Seems like if you can muster a point per game for a career on a big market contender then you're in...
I think Sid should be able to walk right in -- no waiting period.
It would be really cool if they both retired the same year, Ovi as goal record holder, Crosby probably #6 in points...and then get the waiting period waived. But I think Ovi stops after 25-26 and Crosby plays at least 1 more season if not 2.
@@kpk33x I don't think you waive the period just in case one of them gets nostalgic and wants to try playing again.
That's not how it works!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@v4v819 The waiting period was waived for ten players deemed exceptionally notable; Dit Clapper (1947), Maurice Richard (1961), Ted Lindsay (1966), Red Kelly (1969), Terry Sawchuk (1971), Jean Beliveau (1972), Gordie Howe (1972), Bobby Orr (1979), Mario Lemieux (1997), and Wayne Gretzky (1999).
They stated after Gretzky that they wouldn't waive for anyone ever again, which is dumb IMO, but apparently how they plan to do things now.
Might be fun to look at current and recent coaches that should get in to the hall of fame when they're retired.
@@joeb2151 Great idea, Joe. Shannon, there’s your next video topic!!
The only relevant question with Crosby is if you waive the waiting period.
They’re never waiving the waiting period again. They made that an ironclad rule so it would take another Gretzky to make them change it and great as Sid is, he’s just not that.
@@MDK2_Radio but they not only waived it for Gretzky. 10 players had the time waived.
I'm not saying it should be a certainty that it is waived for Crosby. But Crosby and Jagr are two players that are still active, where you could make an argument for waiving the waiting period.
@@golliday917the rule was adopted AFTER Gretzky. They closed that door after him. I’m not saying that you can’t make the case, I’m saying that they decided nobody else will ever get a waiver.
@@golliday917 yes, but since then they said they would never do it again.
@@golliday917 10!? 🧐 Which are?
You included LTIRetirement...? 🤔
whether or not kris letang gets in he’s the most resilient mf i’ve ever seen in my life
Too right.
If the Penguins don't retire *#58* when it's time, we have a problem
If he would have won a single Norris he would be for sure. That being said, spending a decade plus as one of the top guys at his position, while being a top defenseman for multiple cup teams should be enough regardless.
He will get in by association.
@@Musso8771 Im absolutely baffled that Letang never won a Norris, I thought he for sure had at least 1. But I guess this was the time of when Weber, Keith, Seabrook, Subban, Petrianglo, and so many others were also in their prime at the same time as him.
Surprised tarasenko wasnt listed for the wings. I dint think he makes it, but he deserves the mention
Was thinking the same thing, first in my head at Detroit
Worth putting on the board to say no to. I love having him on the Wings, but he's definitely not getting in.
Tarasenko probably has a better shot than Larkin. Time will tell
I think Seider also has deserved a mention.
Long time Blues fan here and I agree. Love Vlady and what he did for us in our epic Cup run of 2019, but I think he qualifies for the Hall of the Very Good, but not the HOF.
Brent Burns is a lock. Played D and Forward. Longest active game stream. Will be close to 4th overall if plays all games again this season. Lone active defenseman with over 600 assists. Norris, 6 all stars appearances. Absolutely no one wants to mess with the guy and great teammate.
Did I just see this man leave out Kris Letang? Did I really just see that? But he put in Jamie Benn?
I know. i said the same thing lol
Keep in mind guys, some of these players can get it by their international play too. Ppl think Hockey HOF is just NHL which is not the case. Hockey HOF = NHL+International play. I can see Nico getting in if he wins a cup and some Selke, he is already a big name for the Swiss team, which also counts toward the HOCKEY HOF.
It’s everything. College play will be taken into account too if they also have a great pro career (see Cale Makar and the late great Johnny Gaudreau).
Should ONLY apply to NHL.
@@hockeyfan7100 no it shouldn't. This is the Hockey Hall of Fame not the NHL Hall of Fame.
Gibson would need an epic and extended end to his career to even be considered for the HOF lol but I appreciate the sentiment :)
yea he's nowhere near the HOF. Great goalie don't get me wrong, but he's not Lundqvist or Luongo level.
Makar is absolutely in. If a Calder, Norris, Conn Smythe, Cup and a World Junior isn't first ballot idk what is.
Great list! Love these types of videos.
Pietrangelo definitely will be in hof. He is 95% weber + 2 cups. If he doesn't get in i don't see how defensive defensemen can get in
3:02 Bro, just looks like a hockey stick. That is an excellent check mark.
Not a big Pens follower but Letang just feels like a lock for the HoF to me
I agree,, he helped win those cups especially in 2009
his stats weren't as impressive as malkin or crosby though
@@ethanparker7900 the hall of fame would have like 20 people if that were the benchmark to get in 💀
@@сова-с7с u really that dumb? 20+ people wouldn't be eligible for that. Only exclusive people who changed the game for the league or city
@@ethanparker7900 He has World Junior medals, Olympic medals, World Cup medals, hes a lock. Even if his stats say otherwise.
Crosby is only 10th all time in scoring and has 3 cups, so I think it's safe to say the jury is still out on him /s
I think he still needs to do more to get into the HOF
Yeah all he needs to qualify is a Vezina or two
@@nefariousnektarios A Norris might help too🤷♂
He needed to win the Calder instead of ovi
Stupid lockout. Ovi obviously deserved it, but should have won the 2004-05 Calder and already have over 900 goals. Other than Ovi's rookie year, Crosby's rookie year probably the best since Selanne (I think the goalie stats from the Calder winners during the dead puck era are a little overdone)
Shea Webber is already in
Yes. Seems like a lock at this time :)
This should be a pinned comment
we all make mistakes. PK in a sure thing then.
That Datsyuk shoulder when he was with Nashville lives rent free in my head along with Mickey Redmond's laugh afterward.
Shea weber hof?? Thats a joke.
excellent video....hard 2 predict as some players will exceed expectations and some will become busts....time will tell
Sid should have the 3 year period waived for him
same with malkin, ovi, stamkos, mcdavid and kane
kinda surprised Marchand is “only” borderline. for me he’s a first ballot guy. one team player, leaves everything out there, consistently one of the hardest players to play against. he’s exactly the kind of rat you want. on that note i’d also be willing to include M. Tkachuk at this point although he’s obviously still young and has a lot to achieve. but for the same reasons as Marchand for me he is HOF material already
Marchand will probably get in, he'll just probably have to wait a while because people don't like him (similar to Jeremy Roenick)
Marchand to me is a no doubt HOF'er and I'm not a Bruins fan. Can't argue with his results.
As much as I despise Marchand, I'd have to agree. He's the heart and soul of the bruins if you ask me, especially since Bergeron retired. Marchand and Bergeron ARE the bruins in my mind. Marchand is usually a lock for 30ish goals every year, can play in every situation, and he's an extremely effective agitator, hence why I don't like him lol. Not sure how much hardware he's got, but he's definitely been inpactful for his whole career. He's this generation's Ulf Samuelsson, people will definitely remember and talk about him HOF or not
Definately has the stats, but his attitude over the years is DEFINATELY going to hurt him. When you have to get a call from the home office to be told as an adult man to STOP LICKING YOUR OPPONENTS, that HURTS your career impression.
@@Scoots_McGee Unlike Samuelsson Marchand has true all round ability and is not just a rat. He reminds me of Ted Lindsay, short, tough, a dirty stinker, but a truly talented Left winger.
Tavares would at least have an Art Ross trophy if it weren't for two empty net goals on the last night of the season in 2013 by Jamie Benn.
Jamie Benn absolutely has not.
@@jayTeal Benn has been overrated
@@carsonwentz8301 he has an art ross
Been a stars season ticket holder for ten years, to call Benn a hall of famer is laughable
@@rt-rd5of so does Taylor hall, benn is no where near a hall of fame career.
Letang belongs in the hall of fame before any other defenseman
Just put the entire Lightning core from the past 10 years in the HOF already 😅
Surprised you didn’t mention TJ Oshie in that underrated 2-way forward category..
If penalty shots/shoot outs were valued as the most impressive stat he'd have a statue in lobby of the hall of fame.
The only one you put a check next to that I don't think makes it is Benn, I hope he gets in. I think that Tavares would get in before Benn and I'm not sure Tavares makes it, I hope he does. It took you too long to put a check mark next to Giroux! Thank you for another great video!
Would also pick Tavares before Benn.
I liked the aside about the league going back and adding overlooked two-way forwards from history to the HoF - could you see yourself doing a video on those?
I played a game while watching this by thinking which players theyd put into the HoF before Alex Mogilny, but then I realized they'd put them all in first.
And Steve Larmer
@@psychodad6758 Hiya, Psycho! IMO, “Grandpa” Larmer consistently is one of the most underrated players of all time. PS, say hi to Peg for me!
Love the vids
Agree with everything except Benn, as I'd put Tavares ahead of him. He did win an Art Ross, yes, but in one of the lowest points scoring years in recent memory.
Agree. He had 1 point more than Tavares that year.
@@SverigeiSverige Tavares actually was credited with a goal that would have given him the win, but he was honest and said he hadnt tipped it.
Can't imagine Benn doing that.
Jonathan Toews is still technically active and he's a lock.
Yes. He is active, but not on a roster.
Still the most overrated player in the league post 2000. He's a HoFer but mostly because of team play. Individually, he's meh. He has one Selke Award. Just over 1K games played (great, but not amazing), only 883 points (way less than a ppg player, good but not amazing), 372 goals :/, and 511 assists :/. Pretty pedestrian offensive numbers. His cups get him in. If he didn't have cups, he's not a HoFer. 1 Selke and those offensive numbers, nope.
@@adamlewis5700 On the 2010 Olympic team, Toew’s was voted best forward. And as for most overrated player, that’s definitely Elias Pettersson.
@@adamlewis5700 Jonathan Toews is a 2 way forward, so saying he has “pedestrian offence numbers”, definitely shows how long you’ve been watching hockey.
@ ah yes you mean playing it and watching it my entire life (born in the 80s)…Toews is a two way forward with, let me check, ONE Selke Award…that’s it. He couldn’t have been that good defensively. And the way he was being hyped by Blackhawk fans like he was Crosby or Ovi’s equal was and is still laughable. Fringe HoFer in my opinion but he was a media darling and gets in because of cups.
Surely Perry gets in purely as an abnormality, like what other player has ever LOST as many cup finals as him? lol
Abnormality? He's also won like almost every title there is to this game. Cup, Olympic games, World Cup, WJC, First team all-star, Hart, Rocket.. to name a few.
@@SkyFellowship Stanley cup in 2007
Cale Maker is going in the "David Flair rosie cheek MF'er" hall of fame with Sidney Crosby
Not an Avs fan but Landeskog is also up there to be concidered in the HOF
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The fact that it wasn’t a resounding yes for Backstrom shows just how underrated he is/was
Without Backstrom, Ovi isn’t where he is now.
@@mythbhavd Would Backstrom have his prestige without Ovi? It's a similar question, but I think Backstrom was helped more than Ovi. I think Backstrom and Letang get in by association to the actual Hall-worthy inductees.
Backstrom has only been selected to 1 all-star game, no post-season honor, and barely made over 1000 points. It's hardly HOF credentials.
As a Caps fan, of course I would like to see him in, but it's not likely. I would rather see Holtby (5 all-star games, 2 all-star teams, 1 Vezina, 1 Jennings and 1 Cup) and Carlson (2 all-star games, 2 all-star teams and 1 Cup) to get in.
@@kel9855 you are only proving my point with how underrated he was
@@kel98551000 points and a cup should be enough. Also had many ppg seasons including an over 100 points season in the era that 100 point seasons were rarer.
That was a fun thing to start of my Saturday! Thank you!
Something cool you could do is try to predict the next Hall of Fame induction class, and maybe rank those players that have already missed out on their first ballot. Top 10 or 20?
The next class is 100% gonna be Price, Chara, Keith and Thornton
I like Benn's game, but I think it's a long shot for Benn to make the HoF
There's no way he is a HOFer in my eyes.
Good show today. I was amazed with the selection of Jamie Benn for the Stars. I think for him to make it though he would have to hit the 500 goal level and he is about 140 or so away from that. I really wish that Joe Pavelski would have played one more year and had a chance for 500 goals, but alas........ It would be interesting to see into the future to see if some of the Stars young talent plays up to that level and makes the HoF. Johnston, Robertson, Hintz, Heiskanen, Stankoven, ....maybe even Harley and Bourque.....Oettinger.....one, two, none.....who knows.
Couture and Vlasic from the Sharks deserved a mention
Couture especially. To have your ankles so completely turned to dust so early in your career and keep going? I mean what could have been if Datsyuk hadn't have happened to him.
The question with Sidney Crosby is whether they will waive the three-year wait.
He's in the day he announces his retirement. Sid is a winner.
They will not.
Perry is a 1st ballot HOF'er. 2007 cup champ, 2010-2011 Hart/ Rocket winner, and two gold medals for team Canada.
I’m lucky to be in Colorado and a hockey fan. Started watching hockey as a 12 yr old in 95’. Not a bad time to start haha… was in fl visiting my grand parents during the final win. Was nuts. And Makar is only 25… so ya. He’s nuts. He’s a walk on imo as he’s done hall of fame stuff already by setting all time records for d men. Mack is for sure making it. Rant is almost there. But I’d say another few years and for sure.
Pretty sure Dostal is now confirmed for the hall of fame.
Looking at this list of players, this video gave me an idea for a future video. What's the next number to be retired for each team (past or current players).
I’d also argue with putting Montour, McCann, Tarasenko, Seider, Rasmus Anderson, Nazem Kadri & Mackenzie Weegar on the board. Do I think they’re HOF? Maybe not but are worth mentioning.
Go Panthers!!!!! MEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW
Great post.
Not really sure how Pasta and Drai are in and Marner is "close" and Rantanen isn't just straight up in. One of the best playoff performers in the past decade, Stanley Cup, multiple 100pt seasons. That's a really weird take.
As a Leafs fan Rantanen is one of the most underrated players in the NHL. IMO. Probably an unfortunate side effect of playing with MacKinnon and Makar.
Though I fully agree Pasta and Drai are in and Marner is close. Don't see how that is confusing.
@MikeC-nu7ty yeah not saying those are confusing, but not saying Rantanen is in or close to in is absurd. Pasta and Drai are missing the most important piece of hardware. Rantanen went through Drai to get his and dominated in that series. Idk just doesn't make sense to me how he's not rated on the same level. Nate, Kuch and McDavid are all a step ahead of these guys and McDavid is a step ahead of Nate and Kuch. That's kind of why it's weird to me.
@chanses7576 like I said. It's just because he's living in MacKinnon and Makars shadow, unfortunately. I barely even see his name mentioned ever despite being a top 10-20ish player in the league (which is insane in the NHL these days). It's crazy. It's just such a stupid time in hockey talent wise that a lot of these great players don't get the recognition they deserve.
Edit: changed to 10-20ish. He's amazing but I think top 10 is pushing it.
@@MikeC-nu7ty It's a blessing and a curse, so many fun players to watch but most casual fans just lock in on the top superstars.
Before Johnny's unfortunate death, I truly don't think most eastern conference team fans knew he had 115 points, was 4th in hart voting and an arguable top 5 player in the league in his last season with the flames. Same could be said for Barkov before the cup run and many others.
What are your thoughts on holtby? I think he has done more then enough to make the HOF so i was a little surprised to see him not on there. Love the videos keep it up!
If tkachuk is a no I don’t think it will be long until everyone agrees that he will be. The last two years he raised his stock a ton
8:20 I think if you’re gonna look at the blues it’s gonna have to be Robert Thomas. If he stays at the pace he’s at points wise for a few years and gets some Selke consideration than that gives him a good case
I love hockey but I’m probably only clue up on this staff around 0.5% of what you are, but undoubtedly for me would be Sid the kid!
Crosby, Malkin,Kane, Stamkos, Hedman are my top 5 shoe ins for the HOF
Ovechkin needs to be a shoo in before the final four on your list.
Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Kane, Stamkos, Hedman, Mcdavid, Fleury, Kucherov and Vasilevskiy are the guys who could stop right now and be in for sure. Mackinnon and Makes are right there at the door too.
@@Musso8771 i would waive the 3 yr wait to stamkos, ovi, crosby, kane, malkin and mcdavid since we all know they are beyond locks
Funny you mention 4 of those players that are NOT better than Ovi makes your list cringe
@@Ricefan80 no one said anything ab being better than ovi
Would you make a video where you make the case for like the top five most controversial yes's and no's on this list based on comments or a poll please? My votes would include: Benn, Perry, Panarin, Point, and Letang. Honorable mention to Pastrnak.
as a crazy Habs fan, I think Hutson has already done enough to be first ballot
If outside fans only knew how much so florida loves Bobrovski and Barkov, we'd have them in the HOF tomorrow.
I think what a lot of people forget it that it is NOT the NHL Hall of Fame, it is the Hockey Hall of Fame so you also look at what they did in junior and international competitions. Corey Perry for example on his NHL record alone I don't think he would get in, throw in junior and international and he surely gets in.
I don’t like the bruins but I would be very surprised if Marchand doesn’t get in the hall
Marchand has a Stanley Cup, international championship resume, 2 first team all-star and 2 second team all-star., 1000+ games played and will likely break the 1000 point mark as well. As much as he is hated by so many i think he is a pretty safe bet he gets in the HOF
Plus Minus +240 wow. HoF ofk
I wish the NHL hall of fame was a strict as baseball
in my personal opinion i would include marchand, pietrangelo, and even letang if benn, panarin, pasta, josi and giroux are also being included. if eichel can win an individual award or two or another cup i would also like to see him in, he could’ve easily won the conn smthye in 2023. (totally not biased 😏)
Re: Weber: For me, the deciding factor was everyone was sure that Montreal was going to lose that Subban trade and while Subban definitely lost the trade, even if Subban had been classic Subban for the balance of his contract, Weber would've been an emphatic win.
Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin, Anze Kopitar, Patrick Kane, Evgeni Malkin, Steven Stamkos, Victor Hedman, Alex Pietrangelo and Drew Doughty would all get my vote without question.
On the borderline I would put John Tavares, Erik Karlsson, Kris Letang, Brad Marchand and Claude Giroux.
Future HOF locks (pending health) - Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, Auston Matthews, Nathan MacKinnon, Cale Makar, Nikita Kucherov, Artemi Panarin, David Pasternak, Roman Josi.
great dive brother. just a thought....how are yvonne's checkmarks? could she be your vanna white?
I think Eichel and Petro will get in. Stone is close but you’re right about the LTIR jokes lol. They would come in waves if he gets in
What do we think about those core Blackhawks? Keith? Toews? Seabrook?
Ovi (obviously 😂) Backstrom, and Carlson are all locks for me. Oshie would have had a shot if he had a been healthier throughout his career #ALLCAPS
Makar is already and unequivocally a lock. The man got all conceivable major trophies for his position at the age of 23. The only possible concern is longevity, but that wasn't really the case for Orr's induction either and he still is the measuring stick for all defensemen. As for Makar, even potential career-ending injury in the foreseeable future can't take away what he has already achieved. Sure, he's got some iffy defensive reputation for the time being, but stay-at-home tendencies tend to peak much later in players' career. Bar a terrible mishap, the dude's gonna be a HOF-Av until kingdom come.
Much peace, brethren.
I think if Calgary wins a Cup any time soon you could put Backlund on the HOF list.
I think Makar becomes a HOF lock possibly even by the end of this season if he finishes with hardware of some kind (one of norris or stanley, etc), he's so close but obviously so young still
If a trend develops towards increased inclusion of defensive forwards, then Mark Stone will be a hallmark member of that group, especially with that Cup. Though there’s likely a brief third act still to come, after Vegas inevitably dumps him.
How about a 2-way blast from the past - Claude Provost. 1005 games, 9 Stanley Cups, 11 ASGs, including 10 in a row + the first Bill Masterton Trophy. If Bobby Hull was still alive he would say, 'That SOB ... haha ... of course he should be in the hall.'
Provost and Dean Prentice deserve to get in, Prentice never won a Cup, but was one of the best two way forwards at the time. Provost was a superstar checker.
Great video, but honestly looking forward to a "current snubs" commentary more. No shortage of candidates nor gripes there 😅
Sid and Ovi have to retire together. Waive the 3 year wait and make them co-headliners. I’ll die on this hill.
Ovechkin being two years older than Sid, makes it unlikely they retire together. I don't think Ovechkin has the gas in the tank. Unless they throw him out there simply to stand at his spot on the powerplay ripping one timers.
@@andyholland2130agreed. Ovi is pretty much done so may not work. Sid clearly can still go.
I think Letang has a better case for HOF than Karlsson.
Make a video on players who should be in and aren't and why you think they aren't in. Start with Patrik Elias
Binnington forever underrated. You gotta watch blues games to understand. We would’ve had like 50 pts last year without him
binnington is an overrated cry baby
@@ethanparker7900 The Blues won their first and only Stanley Cup because of Binnington. They were dead last in the NHL on Jan 1 2019. Brought Binnington up from the minors, won his first game in a shutout. Saved the Blues bacon numerous times in the 2019 playoffs. Played brilliantly in Game 7 in Boston, particularly in the first period when the Bruins had a huge edge in play.
Yeah, just like Patrick Roy, Ron Hextall, and a host of other great goalies, Binner has a temper and can be a diva. But he is definitely not overrated - matter of fact, in the national media, he’s underrated.
Marchand is literally the perfect representation of borderline hall of famer. I think there ever has been
Surprised you didn't mention Logan Couture in San Jose. I doubt he gets in but he's had a long career, a few deep playoff runs, and he's had loooong stretches where he's been the best player on his team, so worthy of consideration.
I think if SJ won the cup in 2016 he would be in because hands down he would have won the Conn Smythe too.
@@JesterRace139 Another reason he should have been mentioned!
Ur putting pastrnak but not Rantanen, i dont mean to disrespect Pastrnak he is so good but so is Rantanen and he has won cup and has better playoff stats
Rantanen plays with mack and landeskog/nishcuskin/makar/toews. Pastrnak plays with Pavel fuckn zacha and carries his team every year
@@psychedelicstrategotutoria9984so ur saying that bergeron and other members of Bruins are Bad ok bud
@@psychedelicstrategotutoria9984Brad Marchand and Charlie McAvoy are what? And havent seen landeskog or nishcuskin played for while
@@psychedelicstrategotutoria9984Pastrnak is not carrying The whole Boston team is strong they play well together and they Have had great goaltending for many years
@@tuomasvalinen3084he scored 50 more points then the second closest bruin last year clearly is at least carrying a decent bit of
I actually think if makar for some reason played his last game yesterday, he’d get in
I think Toews was slept on with the Hawks
I agree with pretty much all of this tbh. But I just don’t think Jamie Benn is HOF bound. But he has had a resurgence, so maybe after a couple more good seasons, and hopefully a Stanley Cup.
Skipped over Pettersson, does THG know something that we don’t?
Pettersson is definitely a lock for “Most overrated player ever”.
Matthew Tkachuk is definitely a hall a famer now.
Yeah don’t get the hesitation. Unique and popular player, too.
He's on pace for sure, but if he retired tomorrow he wouldn't get in.
Based on what? One SC? C'mon, man 😂
He's not a lock at all. He won a cup on a ridiculously stacked team and his career regular season numbers are like 30th in the NHL depending on how you weigh them. He'll most likely get there. But he wouldn't if he retired today.
@@MikeC-nu7ty what team success did Florida have before him thats all im saying
Kinda crazy not even considering Pettersson for Vancouver considering some other names on the board
Another cool video might be which current players do you think will have their numbers retired
Maybe im just too high on Quinn Hughes, but he facilitates the entire offence pretty much every game. If he gets a cup on top of his norris, i would vault him to hall of fame immediately.
Carey Price winning gold at the 2014 Olympics does help his resume. But it makes me wonder if other players could have had that precious bump if the NHL players would have played at the '18 and '22 Olympics
I wouldn't put any of the leafs players on there right now until they prove themselves.
Well Matthews is a lock as long as keeps what he does up, regardless if his team ever wins anything.
There’s a few players on here, at least current career wise so far, absolutely don’t make it. But, career total probably on a few!
To me, Weber being a first ballot hof makes it hard to not put John Carlson in
Benn in the hall of fame is insane LMAOO