Pittsburgh was bad for numerous years before and & even after drafting generational players able to get so many good players..even a good player who suffered injuries Ryan Whitney D 5th overall was traded after a few years that got them Kunitz, Tangradi , Kunitz was a key player Other top picks in a short time Fluery 1st, Crosby1st,Malkin2nd, J Staal2nd......Whitney earlier drafts 5th, orpiks18th- stud in his earlier year as a shutdown dman, till injuries and diminished speed made him ineffective
Yes it’s simple: 1: acquire a legit first line center, who is not over age 30. There is yet to be a cup champion in the cap era with a 1C over age 30. Centers age fast, and their prime age is younger than other positions like defense and goaltending. 2: have a lottery (top 3) draft pick on your team. There has yet to be a cup champion in the cap era without one. The Blues are the only team in the cap era to win with a 3rd overall pick, every other team has a top 2 pick. Not every tanking team wins a cup, but all cup winners went through a tank of some sort. 3: have a clear cut number 1 defenseman. This one is more vague, but there is always a clear outlier on cup champion teams. 4: since there will be a few other teams that fit this criteria, your roster should have good depth, and your players need to have a high morale and get hot at the right time. The first 3 are mandatory, the fourth one all comes down to effort and team morale. You can’t just be the best on paper, you have to separate yourselves. I’m not an oilers fan, but they will win the cup this year because of these four reasons.
You forgot the most important one: *luck* . Stanley Cup champs usually have had good luck with things out of their control, like decent scheduling, fortuitous bounces, inconsistent officiating, and, most crucially, injuries. You can have all the ingredients you mentioned down to the tee, but if your team is not lucky it won’t reach the top.
@@LSA30 luck plays somewhat of a role, but I’d argue good teams create their own luck and their talent/determination can override bad luck to an extent
Fun Fact: Toronto hasn't won three rounds in the playoffs since 1932, which also predates the best-of-seven system. When they won the cup in 1967, the playoffs were only 2 rounds long consisting of 4 teams.
Strong defense you right. Goaltending just need to be ok. Kuemper, Binnington, Ward, Crawford or Niemi were good goaltenders but not stellar. A recent Vezina finalist is rarely in the champion team.
@@milesbowen9433 Yeah we can say that. Bobrovsky for me is a star goaltender, he won the Vezina and was multiple time in the three finalists. He wasn't since he's with the Cats but he bounced back and won the cup. Quick and Vasilevskiy are the two others elite goalies who won with a similar statut.
Couple things stand out to me: Strong defense is a must along with solid (but not neccessarily superstar) goaltending. Have a strong 3rd line that can chip in offensively while still being good defensively. Lastly, don't be a Canadian team lol.
As a Sabres fan I'm glad you gave Eichel his props. His first time to shine on another team, he leads a team to the cup as their best player as far as points go!
As a comment on Florida, that organization was mismanaged from 2000 until 2013. Then the Viola’s bought them and for the first time it feels like ownership wants a winning product, not an entertaining product. That’s been one of the major differences we’ve seen down here.
You forgot to mention the impeccable drafting the Blackhawks did from 2002 to 2007. They found Duncan Keith in the second round Brent Seabrook in the first round Dave Bolland in the second round Corey Crawford in the second round Niklas Hjalmarsson in the fourth round Dustin Byfuglien in the 8th rd, Troy Brouwer in the 7th rd.
I feel like its a mix of being hot at the right time, minimal/no injuries and luck. With the parity of today's NHL, every playoff team is a cup contender.
I can't help but notice that all these teams won exactly 4 games in each round. So that's something that every successful team does, without exception. Also soooo many of these teams beat San Jose on their way to the Cup. sigh
Hey Shannon, can you make a video on coaches that have won a stanley cup with a team, then switch to another team to bring the same success? It would be neat to see how well the team performed that they went to, and if the same success followed. This is my way of asking if teams should "recycle" coaches as much as they do.
At some point I saw a kinda-sorta recipe: 1. Rebuild, get some high picks 2. Get better, make Playoffs, give your youth playoff experience 3. Get worse, miss Playoffs, get some more youth (not necessarily lottery picks, but some late 10th or early 20th), sign your step 1 young stars to deals that are somewhere in between armed robbery and aggravated robbery in terms of cap hit. 4. Go for it
As a Bolts fan, culture from ownership that trickles down through management into team leadership. The difference since Vinik took over has been absolutely insane.
There's a lot of Blues fans who've called for a while to "fire Armstrong"... seeming to forget that when he took over in 2010, it took years to build up to 2016's WCF and the 2019 Cup win. The idea that you need to move on from a GM so hastily (after missing the playoffs the last two years) feels short-sighted. Sure, we could go and tear things down to scraps, and not make the playoffs again until 2036 - or we can just trust the guy who's led us to one Cup and see if things might actually turn around by 2027.
a couple things: 1. ELITE goaltending (every cup winner had that) 2. atleast 1-2 top defenseman. 3. the one line that is full of guys that SHOULD be on a top 6 somewhere else but become depth scoring (ex.- gourde, coleman, goodrow for tampa when they repeated) 4. the GUY. that one guy who's been there forever. seen it all, endured all those tough nights, etc. (stammer when the bolts won, teemu for the ducks) 5. random rookies who go nuclear.
To me determining if you need the full rebuild comes down to, "does the entire culture of the team need to change?" I think for a team like Chicago, it was the right call. Most teams though, there's usually a framework you can work with to build from.
In 2002 the Red Wings salary was roughly 100 million. So what you say about "punish the successful teams"is kind of true. Lots of Red Wings fans don't like the Salary Cap. We have great ownership and supportive fans and would gladly ride that for better players. The Wings never missed the Playoffs for Nick Lidstroms entire career. He is the GOAT
I don't know how you talk about St. Louis without mentioning Binnington's rookie season. He can carry a team in the playoff if he can stay healthy.....regular season, not so much.
06 Canes vs Sabres was the first series of hockey we ever got to see, been an Avs fan since 01 when we literally couldn't watch a game and seeing the Canes vs Sabres stunned us as to just how good hockey was, was chuffed when the Canes beat Edmonton and still kinda see them as our eastern team, but, all Avs all the time and glad after missing the 01 cup despite supporting them (Euro fan) we finallllly got to see a cup win in 22 and it was a phenomenal run
there is one thing in common with all thoses teams : a first overall pick. get one by tanking or by trade, they are always there. you can also trade your first overall like St-Louis did for depth.
Chicago, Pittsburgh had the benefit of getting HOF in a few draft years...remaining bad so they reaped top players at the top of the draft Whereas Wash got Ovie ,had more stability and they improved 'too fast' hence a very good team but less topend around Ovie( bit of a yo-yo effect) year before Ovie picked 18th, Ovie 1st, Green 29th,next year picked 14th,than Backstrom 4th Varlomov 23rd, next yearAlzner 5th than late rounds-good picks that helped, with the exception of Filip Forsberg11th ...that was disaterously traded for a good player Erat for a cup run that didnt materlize Imagine if Was was like pitts draft HOF and still have a bad year or two OVIE , end up drafting 14th, if they had sucked his first year they draft Crosby the next year😮, diffrent timelines 😅.....also many factors happen to make a cup team or dynasty
Two other factors that impact franchise success: (1) Tax rates impacting the franchise (which differ by a franchise's location) (2) The owner's agenda & managerial competence.
Solid Goaltending, one Elite lockdown defenseman, preferably one offensive defensemen. One elite first line Center and one decent second line center. The rest can be filled out as you please.
No controversy on the Canes run?!? How about the puck over glass penalty in Brian Campbell in game 7 of the conference finals that set up the game winning goal? 😂
A Norris caliber DMan leading with at least 2 other very good defenders. Big space eaters fill out the corps Depth at forward. At least 3 good lines Above average goaltending. Vegas and Colorado have broken the need for a star goalie A coach who hasn’t been there too long. Ability to ditch bad contracts
Good video on a thought-provoking topic. The formula definitely seems to be to make the playoffs in any position and then get hot at the right time and get some lucky bounces. The odds are this is about as good of a strategy as any. The real thing about rebuilds that I can't stand is I think that once an organization establishes a winning culture they must do everything possible to protect it. The reality is that top-level coaches and top-level scouts want to work with top-level players and top-level front offices. When the skill isn't there on the ice I think the whole organization suffers as a result, especially if this drags on for 8-10+ years.
Draft a good core, then pick up players that other teams want to give up on because they don't want to buy and dont want to wait for the team to develop. Figure out which guys in your core are good enough to win, then make good trades to get your talented guys out that just aren't buying in, and get guys that will buy in. Or get a hot goalie and carry the team by accident.
According to the pareto principle 80% of what you need to build a Champion lies in your zone of control. The other 20% are circumstances outside of your zone of control, what we typically ascribe to as luck. The most important piece to building a winning team - in my opinion - is competent management.
Having a good GM/owner, success for a team starts from the very top. You need scoring depth, defence, and a good coach. Also pray that you don’t have alot of injuries because usually the healthiest team wins the cup, and maybe some luck if you need it.
Disagrew concerning Pittsburgh, any team would have reach same level of success if they could recruit, Malkin, Crosby, Fleury and Letang and that period of rebuild
the inverse of that is Tampa tho; Stammer, Kuch, Point, Hedman, Palat, Killorn, Gourde, Tyler Johnson, Vasy and ross Colton all drafted by the org. Then they traded guys they did draft (Drouin for Sergy) and signed a few free agents to shore up the roster (Coleman, Rutta, Maroon)
The reason Kessel didn't deserve the Conn Smyth in 2016 is because at 5 on 5, he was on the third line. Every team had to worry about Crosby's line and Malkin's line. The HBK line got to feast on other team's least defensive lines. He wasn't the driver on the top PP line as he was probably the 4th most important player out there.
The reality too is in a league with 32 teams, statistically speaking you'll only make the Final once every 16 years and only win it once every 32. I think the nature of the size of the league should make fans appreciate just making the playoffs more than they used to. Playoffs used to be a given for fans who were there when 16 of 21 made the postseason. Now, it's a lot harder, and a lot less of a given. It does wind up meaning for some teams you may know early in the season that you're not gonna even make the playoffs, and I wonder if that's something that could hurt the league in terms of interest. Given how hard it is to make it, if you were, say, a Flyers fan, you'd know early on 'welp the season's over' and would just tune it out because there's not much else to fight for than pride on a game-by-game basis. But that also said, I think a lot of fans in this day and age are absolutists, in that we don't just view a game as a game anymore - we're always looking to the end result - "well, they're a hard watch because you know they're not going to do anything this year", but not every team's goal is winning the cup (despite what they say to the media). Some teams, your goal as a fan might need to be reduced to just being excited about winning a single standalone game.
I would say a recipe : an elite scouting team for the draft and trades. At least two superstar forwards + at least one on defense. Excellent depth especialy on the top 9 and the two first pairs. Ok goaltending at least and a good coach.
"With the right roster decisions" - This is the most difficult aspect in hockey. In many ways roster decisions have a healthy dose of luck. An injury can make a good choice a bad one. Also as the league changes game style, it must be very difficult for management's roster decisions to change as well. There is an old adage about anything can happen in the playoffs. While there have been dominant teams since the salary cap was implemented, there is very little chance of a 4 Cups in a row team giving way to another 4 Cup champion. The secret to building a champion is to make the playoffs with a healthy team and hope you catch lightening in the bottle. (And if you are Vegas or the Lightening icing a team well over the regular season salary cap.)
Last short comment, concluding with your conclusion, sometimes veterans who are still in their prime have 25 team no-trade list, and out of it you'll often find all or almost all Canadian teams, places that haven't seen success in a *long* time even if it looks like they have better management, coach, lineup etc. , it would take a miracle for some of those players with 15+ no-trade teams list. I really dislike entitled players who think they are too good to be in one particular team, I recall the Ilya Bryzgalov debacle, saying that if he wanted to go play in the "Tundra" he's go back to the KHL instead of accepting a trade (I think it was the financial situation of the then Phoenix Coyotes and rumors of them going back to Winnipeg, yeah I think that's it. So asked for a trade thinking the team was leaving for the new arena in Winnipeg, that didn't happen, he wasn't nowhere as great with Philly where he ended up (poor Philly, cannot catch a good goalie, and when it seems like they have, they might be criminals who cannot play pending a never ending investigation) and he ended up signing with the most Northern team of them all 😆where he started a journeyman backup goalie career. I wish some rules would be present that the NHLPA would have to accept, otherwise no deal, that a player can only have a top 5 teams they don't want to be traded for as a rule in NHL player contracts. I don't remember who I heard lately but Pierre Houde was saying how one player had a 16 team no-trade list clause which I thought "they can go *that* far ?" Leaves a bitter aftertaste of unwarranted self-importance imo.
Talent identification; you can boil salary cap sports down to "most performance per dollar" and by far the easiest way to do that is being able to identify players not yet in the NHL, young NHLers that haven't developed yet and appraise which established players are over/under priced. DO NOT get too attached to players and give them "Ken Holland" anchor contracts. Everyone hates Vegas but they've used every different method of finding good players; picks for players, players for picks, signing undrafted guys, trading for young hidden gems, trading for free agents via trading players for nothing... except cap space. Build the kind of environment where players will play for you for the same/less money than other teams; that could be through favorable taxes, good coaching, winning culture, etc. Strong defense BUT given the modern, anti-obstruction rules, that doesn't just mean defenseman (the best ones cost a fortune). The best defense is oppressive offensive pressure via fast, defensive, forechecking, backchecking forwards, particularly ones that are cheaper, usually because they're perceived to have limited offensive potential. At least the last 3 champions played great defense via constant, swarming offensive pressure. Good coaching/front office; in every sport there are teams that continue being good or bad even when the players change... that's front office driven (Mike Tomlin in the NFL has never had a losing record in his 17 year career and likely to make that 18). There's also NO SALARY CAP on coaches/front office personnel; you can really stack the deck in your favor by spending to build a good front office.
Now beyond those teams that get multiple top end drafts in a row I see numerous teams who may or may not have gotten those top picks but have a good drafting record quite often beyond 1st rd( hello detroit, LA) and more importantly consistent....... i see numerous teams not with a cup who may have had a good draft followed by consistent misses, not keeping the pipeline full or at least bringing in home grown talent( hello Van among many, they missed on numerous drafts incl their 1st round, who were terrible or in case Of Luc who was tragically killed)
You’ve made a few comments about Florida being managed badly prior to this/Zito. Are you telling me Dale Tallon didn’t do a good job there? He absolutely did a great job in Vegas! 😂
Without even watching the video I can tell you that a big part is your lowest paid players. You need the guys that punch above their weight to make the difference between the big and small contracts. Management has to identity and acquire these role players and get them in the mix with the big boys. Yes, you need goaltending. Yes, you need defense. Yes, you need special teams. Yes, you need depth in scoring. But the teams that have bottom 6 guys who are the grit, glue, and guts are the cup winners. 3rd and 4th liners that can score are the ones that face the lower tier checking, and carve up the other team. They are the difference.
McDavid reaches 1-K points. Obviously he’d been there sooner if not for this and that and injuries so focus on him scoring 1.52 points per game vs. a total someone like Dale Hunter achieved but in close to 1,400 games.
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I was 30 when I had Panthers season tix the first year 1993. I never thought I would be 60 when they win a Stanley Cup. But here I am
Worth the wait, best season ever
i was born in 75. leafs fan. be nice to have had a cup by 50...........😂
I don’t like you
Weird, I was 60 and now I’m 30
I'm a Miami native born in 96. Yeah what an incredible season. Thanks for being a founder of Cats Culture OG!
Pittsburgh's secret is being gifted multiple generational talents in a draft
Pittsburgh was bad for numerous years before and & even after drafting generational players able to get so many good players..even a good player who suffered injuries Ryan Whitney D 5th overall was traded after a few years that got them Kunitz, Tangradi , Kunitz was a key player
Other top picks in a short time Fluery 1st, Crosby1st,Malkin2nd, J Staal2nd......Whitney earlier drafts 5th, orpiks18th- stud in his earlier year as a shutdown dman, till injuries and diminished speed made him ineffective
Not being the Sharks is a good start
"Doug Wilson, sign your entire aging core to 8 year contracts, your this close to a cup f*ck the future!"
Get in Line with Vancouver and Buffalo.
@@Christophernbh67% of GM's are one year away from a stanley cup when they begin a rebuild.
What if you’re the sharks?
@ wait your turn. You got Celebrini that’s a good start.
Get players from the sabres that seem to work for vgk, blues, Florida
Yes it’s simple:
1: acquire a legit first line center, who is not over age 30. There is yet to be a cup champion in the cap era with a 1C over age 30. Centers age fast, and their prime age is younger than other positions like defense and goaltending.
2: have a lottery (top 3) draft pick on your team. There has yet to be a cup champion in the cap era without one. The Blues are the only team in the cap era to win with a 3rd overall pick, every other team has a top 2 pick. Not every tanking team wins a cup, but all cup winners went through a tank of some sort.
3: have a clear cut number 1 defenseman. This one is more vague, but there is always a clear outlier on cup champion teams.
4: since there will be a few other teams that fit this criteria, your roster should have good depth, and your players need to have a high morale and get hot at the right time.
The first 3 are mandatory, the fourth one all comes down to effort and team morale. You can’t just be the best on paper, you have to separate yourselves. I’m not an oilers fan, but they will win the cup this year because of these four reasons.
You forgot the most important one: *luck* . Stanley Cup champs usually have had good luck with things out of their control, like decent scheduling, fortuitous bounces, inconsistent officiating, and, most crucially, injuries.
You can have all the ingredients you mentioned down to the tee, but if your team is not lucky it won’t reach the top.
@@LSA30 luck plays somewhat of a role, but I’d argue good teams create their own luck and their talent/determination can override bad luck to an extent
@@LSA30 Top 3 pick is pretty lucky
5. The goalie
Devils might win a cup soon with this criteria lol hopefully
Fun Fact: Toronto hasn't won three rounds in the playoffs since 1932, which also predates the best-of-seven system. When they won the cup in 1967, the playoffs were only 2 rounds long consisting of 4 teams.
The last time they won 2 rounds was also in 2002 before the salary cap era
Build through the draft, and strong defence and goaltending. Doesn't work every time. But it leads to success.
Strong defense you right. Goaltending just need to be ok. Kuemper, Binnington, Ward, Crawford or Niemi were good goaltenders but not stellar. A recent Vezina finalist is rarely in the champion team.
@@XSharkdarkX Timely goaltending?
@@XSharkdarkX true, maybe a better term is goaltending that can pick up and dominate on a good year. Like bobrovsky the past two seasons
@@milesbowen9433 Yeah we can say that. Bobrovsky for me is a star goaltender, he won the Vezina and was multiple time in the three finalists. He wasn't since he's with the Cats but he bounced back and won the cup. Quick and Vasilevskiy are the two others elite goalies who won with a similar statut.
As a jets fan, don’t get my hopes up
Couple things stand out to me: Strong defense is a must along with solid (but not neccessarily superstar) goaltending. Have a strong 3rd line that can chip in offensively while still being good defensively. Lastly, don't be a Canadian team lol.
The Blues 2019 3rd line of Thomas, Bozak, and Maroon was money. Then Tampa's later had Gourde, Coleman, and Goodrow.
As a Sabres fan I'm glad you gave Eichel his props. His first time to shine on another team, he leads a team to the cup as their best player as far as points go!
As a comment on Florida, that organization was mismanaged from 2000 until 2013. Then the Viola’s bought them and for the first time it feels like ownership wants a winning product, not an entertaining product. That’s been one of the major differences we’ve seen down here.
You forgot to mention the impeccable drafting the Blackhawks did from 2002 to 2007. They found Duncan Keith in the second round Brent Seabrook in the first round Dave Bolland in the second round Corey Crawford in the second round Niklas Hjalmarsson in the fourth round Dustin Byfuglien in the 8th rd, Troy Brouwer in the 7th rd.
He can't think of everything.
Hjalmarsson remains so underrated on those teams
The LEGEND Troy Brouwer.
Reminds me of Dallas getting Miro, Robertson, and Otter in the same draft.
Oh ya, love you hockey guy, one of the best dudes ever
Yea, trade for Buffalo’s best player and you will win. Worked for St Louis, Vegas and Florida.
Detroit maybe not at a dynasty level in the 90's but among the most influential teams in NHL at that time around the world..
King of youtube right here
I feel like its a mix of being hot at the right time, minimal/no injuries and luck.
With the parity of today's NHL, every playoff team is a cup contender.
Kings 2012 & 2014 was a ropadobe. Limps into the playoffs then remembered how to play.
I can't help but notice that all these teams won exactly 4 games in each round. So that's something that every successful team does, without exception. Also soooo many of these teams beat San Jose on their way to the Cup. sigh
Never gets old seeing the Hockey Guy wearing Blues gear. As long as it’s not the red shirts. Lol. LGB!
I like the clown jerseys lol
Thanks for the video! A great idea for a video and perfectly detailed to let the numbers do the talking and the outliers stand out.
Detroit drafted Henrik Zetterberg in the 7th round in 1999 and Pavel Datsyuk in the 6th round in the 1998. There is no secret here, just luck!
@caldud2
Definitely, 100% luck.
Lidstrom should have been the 1st pick of his draft.
“My eyes gloss over and I think about puppies”😂
Hey Shannon, can you make a video on coaches that have won a stanley cup with a team, then switch to another team to bring the same success? It would be neat to see how well the team performed that they went to, and if the same success followed.
This is my way of asking if teams should "recycle" coaches as much as they do.
Scotty Bowman comes to mind.
Somehow I'm getting the sense that there was a lot of controversy in the EDM-CAR final.
At some point I saw a kinda-sorta recipe:
1. Rebuild, get some high picks
2. Get better, make Playoffs, give your youth playoff experience
3. Get worse, miss Playoffs, get some more youth (not necessarily lottery picks, but some late 10th or early 20th), sign your step 1 young stars to deals that are somewhere in between armed robbery and aggravated robbery in terms of cap hit.
4. Go for it
Take the penguins route threaten to move the team to a different location, file bankruptcy and tank for generational talents
Keep up the good work, Shannon!
As a Bolts fan, culture from ownership that trickles down through management into team leadership. The difference since Vinik took over has been absolutely insane.
100%
Being Pittsburgh is a good start
Hot goal tending, quality depth, blocking shots and protecting the front of the net.
There's a lot of Blues fans who've called for a while to "fire Armstrong"... seeming to forget that when he took over in 2010, it took years to build up to 2016's WCF and the 2019 Cup win. The idea that you need to move on from a GM so hastily (after missing the playoffs the last two years) feels short-sighted. Sure, we could go and tear things down to scraps, and not make the playoffs again until 2036 - or we can just trust the guy who's led us to one Cup and see if things might actually turn around by 2027.
a couple things:
1. ELITE goaltending (every cup winner had that)
2. atleast 1-2 top defenseman.
3. the one line that is full of guys that SHOULD be on a top 6 somewhere else but become depth scoring (ex.- gourde, coleman, goodrow for tampa when they repeated)
4. the GUY. that one guy who's been there forever. seen it all, endured all those tough nights, etc. (stammer when the bolts won, teemu for the ducks)
5. random rookies who go nuclear.
Have a distinct identity, have a fantastic coach, and have 4 good centers or 6 good dmen.
To me determining if you need the full rebuild comes down to, "does the entire culture of the team need to change?" I think for a team like Chicago, it was the right call. Most teams though, there's usually a framework you can work with to build from.
Nice to see the Ducks in a video about winning these days.
That Stanley Cup is almost old enough to be tried as an adult.
In 2002 the Red Wings salary was roughly 100 million. So what you say about "punish the successful teams"is kind of true. Lots of Red Wings fans don't like the Salary Cap. We have great ownership and supportive fans and would gladly ride that for better players. The Wings never missed the Playoffs for Nick Lidstroms entire career. He is the GOAT
Is there a secret to building a stanley cup champion? Yes. Depth.
Well thanks for clearing it all up for us.
Just skip the vid everyone, it isnt necessary.
And a goalie of Big Cat caliber!
I don't know how you talk about St. Louis without mentioning Binnington's rookie season. He can carry a team in the playoff if he can stay healthy.....regular season, not so much.
06 Canes vs Sabres was the first series of hockey we ever got to see, been an Avs fan since 01 when we literally couldn't watch a game and seeing the Canes vs Sabres stunned us as to just how good hockey was, was chuffed when the Canes beat Edmonton and still kinda see them as our eastern team, but, all Avs all the time and glad after missing the 01 cup despite supporting them (Euro fan) we finallllly got to see a cup win in 22 and it was a phenomenal run
there is one thing in common with all thoses teams : a first overall pick. get one by tanking or by trade, they are always there.
you can also trade your first overall like St-Louis did for depth.
The Oilers bookending this list really ties together the story of high hopes and historic letdowns
Chicago, Pittsburgh had the benefit of getting HOF in a few draft years...remaining bad so they reaped top players at the top of the draft
Whereas Wash got Ovie ,had more stability and they improved 'too fast' hence a very good team but less topend around Ovie( bit of a yo-yo effect) year before Ovie picked 18th, Ovie 1st, Green 29th,next year picked 14th,than Backstrom 4th Varlomov 23rd, next yearAlzner 5th than late rounds-good picks that helped, with the exception of Filip Forsberg11th ...that was disaterously traded for a good player Erat for a cup run that didnt materlize
Imagine if Was was like pitts draft HOF and still have a bad year or two
OVIE , end up drafting 14th, if they had sucked his first year they draft Crosby the next year😮, diffrent timelines 😅.....also many factors happen to make a cup team or dynasty
Two other factors that impact franchise success:
(1) Tax rates impacting the franchise (which differ by a franchise's location)
(2) The owner's agenda & managerial competence.
Solid Goaltending, one Elite lockdown defenseman, preferably one offensive defensemen. One elite first line Center and one decent second line center. The rest can be filled out as you please.
So the take away from this video is unless you have a foundation of several drafted young players it’s very difficult to win a second Stanley Cup.
No controversy on the Canes run?!?
How about the puck over glass penalty in Brian Campbell in game 7 of the conference finals that set up the game winning goal? 😂
A Norris caliber DMan leading with at least 2 other very good defenders. Big space eaters fill out the corps
Depth at forward. At least 3 good lines
Above average goaltending. Vegas and Colorado have broken the need for a star goalie
A coach who hasn’t been there too long. Ability to ditch bad contracts
Good video on a thought-provoking topic. The formula definitely seems to be to make the playoffs in any position and then get hot at the right time and get some lucky bounces. The odds are this is about as good of a strategy as any.
The real thing about rebuilds that I can't stand is I think that once an organization establishes a winning culture they must do everything possible to protect it. The reality is that top-level coaches and top-level scouts want to work with top-level players and top-level front offices. When the skill isn't there on the ice I think the whole organization suffers as a result, especially if this drags on for 8-10+ years.
That 07 Ducks team was so nasty. Only series where going into it I felt the Canucks had no chance
Sometimes you just need a Phil Kessel to win it all. Has he retired yet or is still winning?
Pittsburgh, thanks Gary.
"Punish is the right word" made me laugh out loud
Draft a good core, then pick up players that other teams want to give up on because they don't want to buy and dont want to wait for the team to develop. Figure out which guys in your core are good enough to win, then make good trades to get your talented guys out that just aren't buying in, and get guys that will buy in. Or get a hot goalie and carry the team by accident.
We all REmeber UWII KRUUUUUUP (Spelling on name?) that was a heartbreaken moment for all of us who cheered on the underdog panthers, but here they are
The formula is very easy actually. Have multiple star to superstar level players and good management and eventually you’ll get there
Shannon sent me with his comment at 17:55 😂
According to the pareto principle 80% of what you need to build a Champion lies in your zone of control. The other 20% are circumstances outside of your zone of control, what we typically ascribe to as luck. The most important piece to building a winning team - in my opinion - is competent management.
Having a good GM/owner, success for a team starts from the very top. You need scoring depth, defence, and a good coach. Also pray that you don’t have alot of injuries because usually the healthiest team wins the cup, and maybe some luck if you need it.
Disagrew concerning Pittsburgh, any team would have reach same level of success if they could recruit, Malkin, Crosby, Fleury and Letang and that period of rebuild
Deep blue line, back checking forwards, 3rd and 4th line contribution in the playoffs. That's it,
Drafting right will be huge for the long-term for sure.
great video, i am now interested in how long the coach had been with the team prior to winning the cup
Panthers players with their names on The Cup: 3 draft picks, 13 free agents, 1 waiver claim, and 7 players obtained through trade.
the inverse of that is Tampa tho; Stammer, Kuch, Point, Hedman, Palat, Killorn, Gourde, Tyler Johnson, Vasy and ross Colton all drafted by the org. Then they traded guys they did draft (Drouin for Sergy) and signed a few free agents to shore up the roster (Coleman, Rutta, Maroon)
Are we sure one of the requirements isn't acquire a player from Buffalo?
Need two good Centers. Two good Dmen. And an above average Goaltender. Sprinkle in good veterans and adequate depth.
At least one top 7 defense man. Every winner has had a Norris level dman
Ill say this every time . Such a beauty of a jersey . LGB!
The reason Kessel didn't deserve the Conn Smyth in 2016 is because at 5 on 5, he was on the third line. Every team had to worry about Crosby's line and Malkin's line. The HBK line got to feast on other team's least defensive lines. He wasn't the driver on the top PP line as he was probably the 4th most important player out there.
You mentioned it in a roundabout way, but holy crap, the Lightning made the finals 4 times in 10 years!
The reality too is in a league with 32 teams, statistically speaking you'll only make the Final once every 16 years and only win it once every 32. I think the nature of the size of the league should make fans appreciate just making the playoffs more than they used to. Playoffs used to be a given for fans who were there when 16 of 21 made the postseason. Now, it's a lot harder, and a lot less of a given. It does wind up meaning for some teams you may know early in the season that you're not gonna even make the playoffs, and I wonder if that's something that could hurt the league in terms of interest. Given how hard it is to make it, if you were, say, a Flyers fan, you'd know early on 'welp the season's over' and would just tune it out because there's not much else to fight for than pride on a game-by-game basis. But that also said, I think a lot of fans in this day and age are absolutists, in that we don't just view a game as a game anymore - we're always looking to the end result - "well, they're a hard watch because you know they're not going to do anything this year", but not every team's goal is winning the cup (despite what they say to the media). Some teams, your goal as a fan might need to be reduced to just being excited about winning a single standalone game.
I would say a recipe : an elite scouting team for the draft and trades. At least two superstar forwards + at least one on defense. Excellent depth especialy on the top 9 and the two first pairs. Ok goaltending at least and a good coach.
Im sort of new to Hockey, what happened or was controversial in that Carolina Oilers game 7 in 06?
game 1, Oilers defenceman Marc-Andre Bergeron pushed Andrew Ladd into Oilers' star goalie Dwayne Roloson, injuring him for the rest of the series.
"With the right roster decisions" - This is the most difficult aspect in hockey. In many ways roster decisions have a healthy dose of luck. An injury can make a good choice a bad one. Also as the league changes game style, it must be very difficult for management's roster decisions to change as well.
There is an old adage about anything can happen in the playoffs. While there have been dominant teams since the salary cap was implemented, there is very little chance of a 4 Cups in a row team giving way to another 4 Cup champion. The secret to building a champion is to make the playoffs with a healthy team and hope you catch lightening in the bottle. (And if you are Vegas or the Lightening icing a team well over the regular season salary cap.)
Build a playoffs team and hope your goalie is hot when you get there. That's how you build a winner
Last short comment, concluding with your conclusion, sometimes veterans who are still in their prime have 25 team no-trade list, and out of it you'll often find all or almost all Canadian teams, places that haven't seen success in a *long* time even if it looks like they have better management, coach, lineup etc. , it would take a miracle for some of those players with 15+ no-trade teams list. I really dislike entitled players who think they are too good to be in one particular team, I recall the Ilya Bryzgalov debacle, saying that if he wanted to go play in the "Tundra" he's go back to the KHL instead of accepting a trade (I think it was the financial situation of the then Phoenix Coyotes and rumors of them going back to Winnipeg, yeah I think that's it. So asked for a trade thinking the team was leaving for the new arena in Winnipeg, that didn't happen, he wasn't nowhere as great with Philly where he ended up (poor Philly, cannot catch a good goalie, and when it seems like they have, they might be criminals who cannot play pending a never ending investigation) and he ended up signing with the most Northern team of them all 😆where he started a journeyman backup goalie career. I wish some rules would be present that the NHLPA would have to accept, otherwise no deal, that a player can only have a top 5 teams they don't want to be traded for as a rule in NHL player contracts. I don't remember who I heard lately but Pierre Houde was saying how one player had a 16 team no-trade list clause which I thought "they can go *that* far ?" Leaves a bitter aftertaste of unwarranted self-importance imo.
- through the draft
- good locker room
- stagger contracts
- keep a solid core together
- trade cancerous players
Talent identification; you can boil salary cap sports down to "most performance per dollar" and by far the easiest way to do that is being able to identify players not yet in the NHL, young NHLers that haven't developed yet and appraise which established players are over/under priced. DO NOT get too attached to players and give them "Ken Holland" anchor contracts. Everyone hates Vegas but they've used every different method of finding good players; picks for players, players for picks, signing undrafted guys, trading for young hidden gems, trading for free agents via trading players for nothing... except cap space.
Build the kind of environment where players will play for you for the same/less money than other teams; that could be through favorable taxes, good coaching, winning culture, etc.
Strong defense BUT given the modern, anti-obstruction rules, that doesn't just mean defenseman (the best ones cost a fortune). The best defense is oppressive offensive pressure via fast, defensive, forechecking, backchecking forwards, particularly ones that are cheaper, usually because they're perceived to have limited offensive potential. At least the last 3 champions played great defense via constant, swarming offensive pressure.
Good coaching/front office; in every sport there are teams that continue being good or bad even when the players change... that's front office driven (Mike Tomlin in the NFL has never had a losing record in his 17 year career and likely to make that 18). There's also NO SALARY CAP on coaches/front office personnel; you can really stack the deck in your favor by spending to build a good front office.
Deep defense is the most important by alot.
Looking at success stories just one part of the picture.
Another part is looking at those who did the same and failed.
Is there an arguement that some gms start the rebuild so that they have job security?
Draft a couple generational players (or more), keep a positive atmosphere, don’t f it up with a bad coach.
Not doing what the leafs do(im a leaf fan sadly 33 years of scar tissue)
The secret is Bettman
Shhhhhh don't tell Vegas secret to everyone
Now beyond those teams that get multiple top end drafts in a row
I see numerous teams who may or may not have gotten those top picks but have a good drafting record quite often beyond 1st rd( hello detroit, LA) and more importantly consistent....... i see numerous teams not with a cup who may have had a good draft followed by consistent misses, not keeping the pipeline full or at least bringing in home grown talent( hello Van among many, they missed on numerous drafts incl their 1st round, who were terrible or in case Of Luc who was tragically killed)
Top 2 pick, except Vegas and I think St Louis. Maybe some of the teams before 09 but I think the new reality was maturing up until that point.
Oh, and I forgot Vegas had Eichel. The only one of those teams to not draft the player.
A goalie on fire, at least 3 strong lines, speed, grittiness, and a certain je ne sais quoi??
Bawston;s also been to the finals in 15 and 19
NHL general managers taking notes from this
Interesting stuff.🤔
High draft picks guarantees nothing. The GM needs to be able to recognize nhl calibre players and which players will fit his team.
You’ve made a few comments about Florida being managed badly prior to this/Zito.
Are you telling me Dale Tallon didn’t do a good job there? He absolutely did a great job in Vegas! 😂
Without even watching the video I can tell you that a big part is your lowest paid players. You need the guys that punch above their weight to make the difference between the big and small contracts.
Management has to identity and acquire these role players and get them in the mix with the big boys.
Yes, you need goaltending. Yes, you need defense. Yes, you need special teams. Yes, you need depth in scoring.
But the teams that have bottom 6 guys who are the grit, glue, and guts are the cup winners. 3rd and 4th liners that can score are the ones that face the lower tier checking, and carve up the other team.
They are the difference.
McDavid reaches 1-K points. Obviously he’d been there sooner if not for this and that and injuries so focus on him scoring 1.52 points per game vs. a total someone like Dale Hunter achieved but in close to 1,400 games.
Florida teams being able to offer less money because of no state income tax gives them a massive advantage with the salary cap.
It didn't matter for the first 20 years the team existed.
There is. No 10 million player and a 1st year head coach. 19 first year/interim head coaches have made final since 2001
Yeah be from a low or no tax state and cheat the salary cap simple as that.
Not being Canadian is a start
Don't think you can come to any conclusions. Full rebuilds are tough so maybe better to not to do full teardown.
Great video, Shannon for Hart 2025
win more games than other team(s) in Stanley Cup playoffs?
I just know that my Rangers are not built this way right now.