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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- This is something I've been thinking about for years.
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Having moral standards and being against pedophilia is no a cult, it's just common sense
My compliments for this heavy, but much needed video. As an atheist, I've seen more than a few videos on cults... but I'd be hard pressed to point out any more nuanced. Well done you two.
Thanks for the kind words! I really wanted to hammer home that these happen every day and can affect everyone, something I felt was sometimes missing.
I used to work for a printing company that handled all of the Ayn Rand Institute (ARI) publications and circulars. Seeing their office manager always walk through the door wearing a pencil skirt, carrying a cigarette case, clutch purse and wearing a large gold dollar sign brooch reminded me that atheists too have cults.
Thank you Fell and Allakai for this dark but very necessary video. Blessings to you both.
Thank you!!! Definitely a darker one of mine, but felt it was very much necessary.
15:50 struck me like lightning, a week or two ago I removed all of my cult leader's videos from my "liked" and "to watch later" playlists, even after 3 years or more of not listening to her.
Thank you for giving this gem of infirmative and nuanced discussion on such a heavy topic. There is indeed much to think about here, and as someone who came from the partner video, this was well worth the wait.
It's great to see the first colaboration in a while!
We'd been planning one for ages and finally got around to it! 🫶
I was familiar with the BITE model, but I didn't know about the ABCDEF model. This was such a great video, you two! 👏 A much-needed discussion of a tricky topic. Thank you for putting it together!
Thanks Megan!!
@@FeltheBlithe You're welcome!
This is a great video, thank you for making it! It has helped shred a light on my own experiences that have been hard to put into words
I jumped out of bed to watch this video! I have recently gotten into discord and was talking with my partner about how many groups I have left immediately upon joining because they seem like cults at a glance.
I didn't know that about the BITE model guy. Yikes. I will say that model helped me a lot in identifying some of the stuff that happened to me as a kid. Thank you for the video and all the work you two put into the collaboration. Definitely going to watch both again
Yeah, BITE model has been super helpful for me and I still think can be helpful for people. Hassan himself is just.........yikes
On a lighter note, I love your hair! 😊
u and aliakai help keep me grounded 💜 thank u
Yay more Fel videos🎉
As someone just starting, this is helpful, but also overwhelming! This is part of why I am attracted to a hedge path… but… finding community to know where to start, books to trust, practical advice on starting a calendar of rites, how to construct rites, etc. is all quite overwhelming knowing that this is an issue. Because you are not sure who to trust and there is so much information out there. I already noticed a lot of red flags in places like Reddit when googling for things. Small red flags… I am not accusing any one of anything, just things that make me feel I have to be on my toes.
Very informational video on the traits of cults, religious or not, and how harmful they can be.
Glad you found it helpful!
Very good dive into cult groups here.
So thankful for this video and important pushing of the conversation.
The collaboration with yall is actually awesome :D good video btw really well put together
Having grown up in the Seventh-day Adventist church, I find this as all too familiar. And the sad truth is that, as you said, any group can turn dangerous.
Fantastic video, much needed - thank you
I think good religious leaders for ourself need to also be experienced in the religion and be older. I think those who are to young are more likely to make poor choices or care to much about the wrong things. They also need to be experienced in the religion in question. It's hard to be a good religious leader if you are learning yourself what it means to be apart of that religion. A leader should feel like a natural choice for the community because they should be someone who helps the community greatly and is respected by the members of said community.
Heyy, I was just wondering if you’re still going to make part 2 of your Hera series
(you may well have seen it already but they uploaded part two a couple days ago!)
💐bouqet of flowers to you....I am more then pleases to see your new video now...was decluttering my youtube list of creators...and oh wow 🤩 there is new video...enjoyed it so much...thank you for sharing ... hugs from Germany
Very Great Video!
This was informative.
Thank you
Did anyone else think "they're talking about Ocean Keltoi and Wolf the Red"?
They Aliakai definitely is.
I found them first, so I was really surprised to hear from Aliakai.
I am not even really sure what happened, hearsay is powerful and I try to be objective, but I honestly cannot find enough to figure out where I should stand.
What she says in this individual video is reasonable.
Honestly, I always liked Ocean and Wolf the Red and agree with them when it comes to Wisdom of Odin being a cult-like leader and either fostering or being complicit in the disturbing behavior of/in his community.
HOWEVER, they do seem, or maybe its just the community forming around them, has become cult-like as well. Definitely a cult of personality.
This concerns me as much as the dog whistles around WOO does.
Yea, the behavior Ali described was what ocean and wolf got caught doing.
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I am a little confused.
Did Aliakai, Ocean, and Wolf all get caught being cult like?
@@keaganwheeler-mccann8565 not Ali, just ocean and wolf. those two got caught dozing, harassing, and spreading misinfo about ppl, along with running their discord with an “iron fist” so to speak.
I'm going to be 100% honest. The Polytheist community needs to get offline. Discord is no replacement for actual community and many of the problems in the Polytheist community would be solved if we actually put our focus into IRL communities with the intention of building lasting traditions to pass on to our children. We need our own neighborhoods. Our own towns even. We need to stop letting the internet take all of our energy and we need to actually put that energy to good use. Discord drama is chicanery of the highest degree and we don't need it
@wildmen5025 Unfortunately, I've got to disagree.
Thing is, drama will happen regardless of whether it's on- or offline. Humans, eh? Discord, while not perfect by any means, is a lifeline for many pagans, heathens and atheists living under brutal (oft abrahamic) oppression. Seen more than a few of them who would have died without the support from their online community(/ies).
Additionally, there's the very real danger associated with irl communities exclusively for one or the other religious group. Jim Jones' spirit is alive and kicking in too many offline groups. =_= Code words, mandatory tattoos to show loyalty, etc. etc. etc.. Might be what you expect for all I know, I'm not a mindreader, but don't drink the Flavoraide there.
So instead I'd recommend focussing on creating safe online communities and improving both freedom of and from religion (can't have one w/o the other) in your offline slice of the world. Keep things open and in full view so people can see the usual lies are proven false. (AKA: no babies sacrificed, people eaten or Cthulhu p+rn involved)
It'll help build tolerance, acceptance and compassion so that one day pagans may have their own temples, shrines and murals in public spaces. Mandatory caveat that I'm an especially 'orrible atheist©, but even so I'd rather see that the good beans in pagan faiths can flourish. On that note... Do be mindful of suitcase jeebus. Atheists get the same lies spewed about them as pagans do, we don't drink blood for instance, and you may find a few good beans to add to your friends. If not your religion persé.
We are stronger together. That is a fact.
@@Sparkbomber I'm going to disagree. Having a real life community is worth the risk. Our religions were meant to be lived offline. We're only stronger together if we are actually together and developing communities with actual impact on the world around us. Every other religion has IRL communities and they're all so much healthier than we are. We need our own schools, our own hospitals, our own interest groups, and our own politicians fighting for our values. If that sounds scary to you, do be mindful of the fact that we Polytheists support the arts and sciences, democracy, personal liberties, and the environment. A Polytheist Moral Majority would actually do wonders. Also, you say that the online community has helped people in their time of need. Have you considered that if they had an IRL community they wouldn't have even needed to ask? They would have already been provided for. They'd be safe in the arms of their own kind. They'd rest easy knowing that they'd be cared for and nourished spiritually by their own kind. Polytheists are stronger together with other Polytheists
I have to agree with @wildmen5025 we need to stop being so comfortable with our Screens and actually meet up in person celebrating the Gods together, there is no growth without this but I disagree forming community so close to each other we can all live on one Street this is unnecessary and I believe an overreaction to the overreaction of not wanting to create a real life community in the first place. But allowing our insecurities whatever they may be hold us back from meeting on one another in person is the greatest betrayal to the Gods
@@djbean333 A very common problem I hear is that people feel that the rest of society is pulling them away from really deepening their engagement with the Gods. I don't know about everyone else but I just think it'd be nice if there were places where you could live as a Polytheist openly and not only have this be accepted but encouraged. Where it's all just a part of the life and culture. Where little kids don't have to be afraid of strangers trying to convince them that mommy and daddy are going to Hell for being Polytheist and so will they if they don't follow Jesus. I want our children to grow up passionate about our Gods and ready to take us to heights we could have never dreamed of. I want our sick and elderly to know that they will be cared for in spiritually clean places of medicine where not only will they receive the best of modern care but traditional medicine is also approved of and accepted and the Gods are a part of the process every step of the way. I want it to be impossible to not be able to find a shrine where one could go pray and make offerings alongside their fellow Polytheists. I want a place where there's always some festival being celebrated and you always know that good food, music, dance, and camaraderie are always to be found. A place where there is no longer anger, fear, or loneliness. Where we no longer have to explain or justify ourselves. Where safety, peace, and love reign. Perhaps the difficulty in bringing this to fruition is off-putting but it's a dream worth suffering for.
@@WildMen4444 I hear your words and in the realm of them we are kindred spirits. Although I disagree in the struggle us polyeists face to but a bad thing because, no tribe nation or religion survives for a millennia without adversity and a struggle. But I digress, whether it's just me working towards a way for us to congregate and celebrate the gods or many, my first ambiton of many is to run a religious festival once a year and in time have it recognised by UK Parliament & US government so we can have access to natural herbs unique to our faith, just as the modern day Native Americans achieved getting the US government permission to celebrating there faith with traditional psychedelic cactus plants. Plans are in Motion and the day you speak of will be happening sooner than you think. And if you can't wait for that day why not use my idea to jump start your own. You have my mortal blessing, and there's no doubt in my mind the gods give you theirs as well.
I’ve been sent here by the bridge
I wish you would make less videos involving things like politics and media. Why can’t we just learn more about Hellenism? Or maybe just more unbiased opinions. Especially if you’re going to be a voice for modern Hellenism I would hope that you would represent us well.
Isn’t speaking out against cults a way to represent us well?
@@fantasticbeck3938 I’m sure the majority of the Hellenic population wasn’t in the slightest bit worried about some weird discord group chats. With all of this talk of cults let’s not scare away new members to the faith or confuse skeptics on what’s going on on a larger scale within Hellenism around the world.
@@jacobgale-garcia4816 I strongly disagree. I think it’s crucial that newcomers know about this stuff so they don’t accidentally get themselves into bad situations and have the faith ruined for them. Edited to say: as a newcomer myself I find these sorts of videos very helpful
Oh no, the topic is that srious even the daytime changed :P
And good the day kept watching, because good good video, and its very aproachable.
And the last bit even better with the online.
And i like contrapoints quote, perfect is the enemy of good. As how to aproach most.
And yah that lader are not weasel and aproviate about it, i guess, but welcome criticim genuinly and are selfaware, And if thy messed up, its always a good sign to admit that. Not gaslighting or deflcting blame, i guess still with diplomacy, but yeah, if someone is open about their shortcomings,thats good. if compromises i guessmeans being le selv depravating too if needed.
0:00 to 3:07 sounds like feminism, SJWs, Woke & TQ+++ community😂
This was fantastic, but also maybe more of a painful trip down trauma road than I was prepared for 😅🥲