Would love a video like this for Swain. From Viable pick in Mid + Top (even in Pro) to a Small Rework to exiled to the Bot Lane to getting a Small Update and being Flavor of the month to Re-Exiled to the Bot Lane.
My brother likes to play asol and just yesterday I was laughing at this exact same thing. He flew with his huge Q across the map and didn't even kill the ranged minions
@@dracosspetentrio6016 yeah. He either needs damage scaling like veig, a faster q, or more damage on it. Really any of them could balance it out. His w doesn't do that much damage, his e has the cool down of a lux ult, and his ultimate also doesn't do much damage, and doesn't provide much in the way of cc. I like how he looks, but good luck playing him outside of Iron.
The creation of stars tend to result in the creation of planets, as the cosmic dust is pulled together by gravity. Only most of it becomes the star in the center.
Yea uh, Asol is busted, and I’m an asol one trick, as long as u really know how to play him, he shits on everyone except zed and fizz and Helmer, n zigs hardest matchups
I don't even play Aurelion Sol and I'm on the side that they should revert his W change. If way more popular champions went through a wave of feedback that said "undo a change that alienated the character's playerbase" and Riot actually reverted those changes, there's no reason ASol should still be left this distraught. Let the seventeen people that mastered his kit have fun again.
Imagine them actively trying to make the most complicated champ in League-history. And then Aphelios being easier to play than Aurelion Sol despite his 50 million passives and combos. They tried to make something even more inaccessible and failed despite actively trying.
@@dylanhelvetios2300 I play him ap juggernaut top lmao (diamond elo), you're 100% right on that one brother (I clearly dislike the roaming aspect of him)
I always loved old asol but new is the definition of clunky, I'd love if they tried to give him the urgot W treatment where at rank 5 you can toogle the skill.
"I did not speak up when they killed ASol, because I did not play ASol. I did not speak up when they killed Aatrox, because I did not play Aatrox. When they came for my main, no one spoke up for me because there was no one left to speak up." -League player, 2025
My main champion died on the release of Lucian ..and she was revived 2 years later ,then they killed her again after the Mass Assassins Rework back in Season ( Fu*king ) 5 .. R.I.P. Ashe .😭
I mained Poppy, Yorick and Morde then they all got reworked nearly back to back to back. Switched to Atrox then they got him. and now I play none of them 😢 slowly all the champions I liked are being changed and removing why I liked them. I only play maybe 100 games of league a year vs 1000.
@@SephirothVersus Ashe has a decent winrate history trough the years no? She also is a good counter to senna who is a popular champ at the moment. (Also gives you a little revenge on al those Lucians).
A Sol is the most disapointing release I ever got to witness... His concept was badass, his music theme was out of this world, in his trailer he was crushing stars between his fingers. In game he plays with balls and spit on you for a chunk of damage with his ult
@@wastucar8127 taliyah and asol are two very different cases. Asol got reworked into a champ with no gameplay identity, taliyah just got nerfed into the ground and then ignored
@@bruh3457 aSol has no identity? He is a roaming mage even he cannot clear the wave with a single ability cast anymore, Ahri f.e. can’t do this too but she is still considered as a roaming mage.
@@scarletvrgames568 People needed to vote for Udyr in order to complain about how he took flight before the rework and now he sucks. Because let's be honest, Udyr was already ok by the time the voting started xD It's gonna be Aatrox all over again.
@@sunnydargonnel Oh 100%. Udyr was finally in a good spot after all these years and people just opted to hit him with a rework rather than wait for balance changes..as if Amumu wasn't broken earlier, as an random example. Plus Skarner just does the same thing as him atm..
@@scarletvrgames568 skarner might do similar things than udyr, but udyr just has a shit ton more up front damage. Amumu was just broken. 20 minute solo baron on 2 items. good luck with that.
Sol still hasnt been reverted? Holy shit, I quit playing 1 year ago and I remember how they destroyed that champion’s identity. He was so cool, and watching a skilled Sol was amazing.
I have only tried playing him after rework and the W not staying is so annoying. I finally get in a good position and my time to deal damage is limited.
@@jermanmartinez5577 I was honestly amazed by how outwardly toxic 70% of my games were. Like I play csgo now, and most the time its silence, “ggez”, and the rare child screaming.
The rework seems to only be good in wildrift where he kept his e allowed him to turn and he got passive movement speed from it and q gave him movement speed also joy stick controls make his stars insanely easier to hit
@@amogus205 Yeah, thats the only place I was enjoying him before Ive quit. But even there, a Morgana W or something like that was able to stop you and then your massive Q is gone, you cant do it for a whole minute, in which the enemy decimates you and your team, takes a tower, and keep shoving the wave. 😔
@@jinfra- I got a glimpse of his glory back then. He was strong for sure, but his learning curve and playstyle is different from your typical mage. He had a stun, his w as a zoning tool, immense roam capability, and his ult was disgusting. But once learned, the payoff is nice. But it's kinda sad since they advertised A-Sol that way but look where he is now, barely played excluding dedicated A-Sol mains.
Lets be fair literally all the 10 most broken champs in lore are just trash in lol including Asol azir ryze xerath they are all too powerful but look at the game a man with 2 axes can 1 shot them or serial killer can just collect them with collector its really dark comedy 😂
@@mohamedyasser3771 Asol might be weak right now but azir, ryze and xerath are pretty good I have no idea why you classified these 3 as trash, also you can outplay the man with 2 axes or the serial killer my guy. Your team is also helpfull and the teamcomp matters too much.
@@lyrea8111 azir only good in pro play and he got nerfed again its hard for him in solo queue/ryze what are you talking about he is literally a waking trash right now with too weak early game and need at least 30 min in game to do something and rn in this meta the game is decided by first 15 min/xerath only work in low elo players have no macro can't dive and don't how to focus other than that he is one of the worst with the worst stun in the game that is used for attacking only you dont have anything to defend yourself you cant build any defensive item without losing too much dmg you are becoming useless if you try to defend yourself with all the sustain in the game rn you team must work just to defend you other wise you get one shot did i mention you need to hit your combo more than 2 times to kill anyone if you are even with the enemy except for adc anyone can oneshot him
@@lyrea8111 iam with you Asol is in much worse stat than those guys all my point is that riot doesn't care about old champs except if they are popular if your main is not popular iam sorry my friend you are forgotten thats my point
Everytime I try to make honest feedback on reddit that isnt possitive about Riot, it gets deleted by mods most of the time. They closed forums and in reddit they dont let players say feedback.
As a retired 1 million points ASol OTP: thanks for making his problems visible to the community. A revert would be the dream, but I don't think it's happening. At least I would love to see changes to make him more fun to play, and powerful.
To put it simply, they kind of ruined his identity and didn't bother opting for a revert when the issues he had left next season. Can we agree we would rather have the old Aurelion back for the sacrifice of his roaming?
He always was good in roaming, which just begs the question, why do they even want to buff the only good aspect of him and not consider the weaker ones?
Don't forget back in the old days what happened to Evelynn - where they literally _killed_ the champion by removing the stun she relied on for kills and left her terrible for years before fixing her.
@@notwise9455 IDK. Evelyn, well this version is hands down better than the olde carpal tunnel inducing old one. As for aatroix. Hard to say. Ive enjoyed all versions but they definatly fealt like different champions.
@@Niick3015 This aatrox always felt generic to me. He's just some war god now. Originally he was somewhat unique and his design was brand new to me. I miss him.
"The virgin League of Legends Asol vs The chad Legends of Runeterra Aurelion Sol. Aurelion Sol is the only 10 cost champion in the entire game. And his stat line isn't laughable. It's terrifying. There is no better combination of Aurelion Sol leveling up and your opponent surrendering." - Bricky.
@@arthurmerkulov5904 but if you have a vengeance in your hand it's goodbye azir, in the other hand if you try to kill ASol with a spell, he won't be affected bc of spellshield
All companies suffer from the "only esports matter" where they only care about esports. That's why most players got away with playing garen yuumi bot for the longest time until esports did it.
Nintendo dont give a fuck about competitive smash. Im not saying it's a bad thing, they're just a company I can think of that actively discourages it's pro play
@@WazoobiumNitrate In the past, yes, but right now? This year and the next have and are going to be the best years for pro smash. Ultimate is getting more balance around pro play, nintendo has their own active tournaments, and are now endorsing, sponsoring, and officially partnering with multiple tournament organizers for Ultimate AND Melee
this would actually be a really good middle ground. have w give a burst of rotational speed to the orbs as the expand then slow to original as they reach full size, and have the CD start at like 5 sec (after it expanded and contracted) and at max level have it be a 1 sec toggle
@@ikxalenull7 or make him get more orbs later in the game like urf but nerfing the damage early in general or exclusively versus minions and making him start with 3 so he cant get that waveclear before lvl 5-6 where champs like tf or malz have a chance. They can nerf e cd and speed but remove the mark the enemy sees, making a good roam more rewarding and having a chance of punishing bad roams. Also his q needs damage nerf but longer stun duration in shorter range to compete versus assassins. I think that would make him a well rounded champion
@@checkthebush6500 I’m a platinum 2 asol player with almost 600k points who also plays fizz if the matchup is complete trash, I am probably top 15 asol players because there’s only 15 of us lol
Riot won't care about Aurelion because he is not popular, they have shown that they are willing to fuck over a player base because of that. (Look at Aatrox rework)
Correction: na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/ask-riot-lessons-from-dev/ "After Aatrox’s update, we swapped the primary and secondary goals for VGUs. Player trust became (and remains) our primary goal-even if that means the champ ends up being a little less engaging or exciting for the broader playerbase."
Imagine still complaining about the Aatrox rework when it was a success, the new Aatrox is way healthier than the old braindead Yi that increases his range on ultimate and has infinite sustain. Old Aatrox was either super shit or ultra broken, I mained him 6 years ago. Tired of the bootleg Aatrox mains that "mained" him during his broken state.
@@sauron1414 yup, Sauron himself have spoken truth. Old Aatrox was a boring af champion to play and play against. It was almost the same concept of Tryndamere and another AA toplaner like old fiora, yasuo, xin and almost everyone else. Complaining about Aatrox rework is like complaining about fiora's or GP. At least now the champion need some sort of skill to fully succeed on lane.
@@sidradeave even if he isn't that great right now, remember back when his unstoppable on q used to be cc'able? The champ was doomed and needed a rework.
@@sidradeave Its seems you just watched the video and didn't agree with the premise at all. The reason Old Aatrox players don't like Boris ( what they call New Aatrox) is because in no way shape or form does he feel like Aatrox, the only thing remaining of his old identity is a small amount of self heal. He doesn't feel like Aatrox, he feels like Riven 2. "Oh you all shouldn't complain because when he got reworked, he was stronger" Ok, then you agree with the idea that the LeBlanc and Rengar players who complained about their changes were wrong. That those were on only a couple of abilites. Aatrox I reiterate, has nearly nothing remaining from his old identity. He went from a sustain tank/duelist, to an AD caster. His character went from an Insidious planing manipulator, whose main frame was "Battle is Elegance", who was framed by those he fought alongside with as a hero, only for those same people to eventually have the Glamor wear off, and realise the atrocous acts that they not only help him commit willingly, but praised him for, to a Kratos knockoff. Literally the antithesis of his character, yes they both still care about bloodshed and battle only, but their approaches are night and day. Did Aatrox need a rework because of his kit, sure, but in every other rework they have ever done they have sought fir to qt least try and maintain a semblance of the characters Identity. With Aatrox they failed categorically and undeniably.
ao shin.. i remember when they teased him and i was like - A FREAKING DRAGON! with water and wind stuff? i want him! and then we got aurelion sol:I, i likem him at start but he got incredibly weak bcs of meta being assasins and his unability to do anything to get himself free without ult, and then they changed his stars:I
When starting League, I immediately fell in love with ASol's playstyle. It was actually the only champion in the game that I felt truely resonated with me. I never found him clunky, at all. When his rework came, I tried others champions... Warwick and Jhin came pretty close to being my new mains but they never felt as... Home, as Aurelion Sol. His passive movement speed on E was super fun but I could live without it. His W rework, not so much. It sucked out all the ejoyment I had in the champion. Reverting that one change would be enough to make me come back, both in that champion, and in the game in general.
Playing ASol and Azir in LoR keeps making me tempted to try and play them in LoL, but I don't really see myself devoting the time to it, or being satisfied with the results
A-Sol’s Q tickles. His W not having the toggle ruins the point of the ability. His E is on too high a cooldown. His R tickles and is like a small af range weeniehut jr. version of Lux ult.
It's all a setup for the W tho, the Q gives you movement speed to engage and allows you to reposition mid fight, same for the R. I wouldn't mind both of those if the W felt good.
@@chrischeng9145 Mate, I couldn't even tell you what his current w does. He spins balls around, and changes their radius, and sometimes presses a button that gets him to lane faster.
@@chrischeng9145 So instead of his stars doing 3 quick rotations of damage with each star hitting following by a speed boost, it was an ongoing ability that stays up and continuously consumes mana like Anivia’s ultimate. The stars revolved him slower though (shown in the video). This made it so he could easily push out the wave from as early as level 1 and roam, granted he didn’t get the ms boost, plus like Anivia’s ult it would be cancelled by hard CC and silences/interrupts. He was the ultimate solo queue champion for anyone that one tricked him though, even better than anyone else one tricking another champion.
I reckon he should also get a bit of Diana-esque treatment. Put the Q and E into one ability and make it his ult, put a smaller version of his R on Q, then add something new and spicy as his E.
@@Vymere No, but it would feel bad to some people if, for exemple, removed their favorite brand of cookies that actually taste good from the store to get another one that sells better but tastes the same.
@@LoreGoshi I don't see the fucking problem with that... Tastes the same, costs the same but sells better. You Always gotta think about Riots employee. They get a lot of money but have to spend a lot too. If you play sol and there are lets say 10 k player that do play him a lot then you get a skin for 10 player and have to pay artists, code writer, special engineers and so on. In the end its just not worth it, unless its part of an skin line.
0:58 There was a 2-patch period of time in which Tahm Kench was rendered literally unplayable due to two major bugs, but then also had a bug giving his devour infinite range *in live servers.* While we all suffered, they absolutely refused to fix it until we started megaspamming them about it on all their social media accounts and finally bullied them into making the change mid-patch. It's worth noting that NONE of this ever made it into the patch notes.
When I first started playing I immediately gravitated (pardon the pun) towards the space dragon for one simple reason: The sass that this boy brings to the table.
Definitely more manageable now though. Really only sees a lot of play in low elo. Why? Inconsistent. He's a dead card til turn 6-7 minimum assuming you got cost drops for him. Targon's Peak can bring him in, but same thing, inconsistent.
@@dragonsreingsupreme1 "bronze aurelion can play against a challenger" Yeah right, someone who paid for a challenger account will not be able to beat another bronze mid. Like this whole argument was dumb. Yes Aurelion was a good champ, but tweaking instead of nerfing would've been much better. You got much stronger champs in the game now.
Remember when Riot completely REMOVED Twisted Treeline? Yeah, I'm still trying to get back into the game since then. I was an avid 3v3 player (literally only played 3v3s for almost 4 years). I feel betrayed and ignored by Riot.
same i used to love it, it was perfect for when you had 3 people in a lobby or if you just wanted to play a shorter game-mode that wasn’t aram. Riot never gave it a facelift or even balanced it like aram and they wonder why it had a small player base.
When 3v3 first came out it was amazing it has such a werid map, then twisted treeline and that was diffrent but grew on me the same it has such a odd meta to it compared to dominion aram and Summoners rift, I was sad to see it go.
Urf Sol is so fun, especially with gaining stars at levels 6 13 and 25. Level 13 powerspike feels so good, even when everyone having more movespeed makes it harder to position abilities properly.
The fact that lee sin got the legendary storm dragon skin enrages me. Yeah let’s give lee another legendary and have a storm dragon fly around and say I am a star dragon
Honestly when I first saw A Sol, I immediately thought of IO of Dota 2 since both have those spiraling orbs around them, the diff is IOs is much more manageable since it goes in and out, in which I think A Sols stars should be also like that too...
To those who commented before me. In my opinion which you don't have to agree on, neither do I on yours, new Yorick and new swain are better but tahm kench tho... I loved his solo potential. And ryze! Yeah, remember ukting three times in a single teamfight. Also new Sion is best Sion.
Coincidence you have a bastion pic since overwatch feels awful for this the past 4 years. My least favorite has to be how most of the healers feel nerfed to the point they cant defend themselves that well and should instead evade until their tank or dps deals with it.
@@skiedev I love bastion as a character in the game, I'm a tank and healer main XD, and I have seen all the mercy changes xD, and no tracers changes or ganji onces, This is the reason there is lack off healers and tank in overwatch, cause Blizzard only makes heros for dps players.
irony is that dopa (the dude complaining about asol) is probably the most hated person of riot and if he actually stood by this theory that asol would be perfect for boosting, he would play asol himself. dude is not a pro player but just a good booster and would probably do anything to make his job easier. pro players don't actually have a problem with him in most cases, because nobody really plays him in pro play anyways.
True, this is a problem in a lot of games, what is the point of caring about pro players balance opinion? They follow all the same path of "keeping everything like It was before so I dont need to relearn things"
You should do Varus next. This champion surprisingly has a lot of history and over the years with many changes his identity/character comes into question.
As an Aurelion Sol main who still plays him frequently, thank you very much for shining some light to the issue! It really means a lot for me and for the whole Sol community!
This is true. I'm not an Asol main but Rito need to do something about Asol. He is the worst champ to play right now because of his multiple nerfs. A lot of champs can counter Asol and he is the only champ that can't hide in Bushes.
So true. It's the same for me and Taliyah. My first season of playing ranked I ONLY played Asol and Taliyah. I was able to reach diamond and despite the nerfs to them im still able to reach diamond with TF thanks to (Ironically) Dopa's vods and learning how to play TF. I miss season 7 :(.
I have to say, I remember how annoying was to play against Aurelion. But that was not a bad thing imo, it added a new dimension to the game. I learned to ward correctly as a supp thanks to Sol. I learned to save skills and mana thanks to Sol. I overall became a better player because of him. I went from wanting to dodge any game with him on it to not caring at all... Today's new champions are worse than what Aurelion used to be.
@@Vaark Annoying? You mean op? A champion that doesn't even need to care to learn basics like wave management, warding, ganking, resources management, etc. A champion designed to scale, but with an early game better than early champions itself. It was not annoying, it was broken.
@@therion4225 Never said he was op right now, in fact, he is really balanced in terms of skill/reward. However, few years ago A Sol was really, really op cause of the things the video already said, and you people dont seem to accept that fact.
This change was my final straw for riot. He was one of my favorite champions to play and I lost so much enjoyment out of being that boop king in team fights. As the only Asol player in my friend group, he was always a threat when we did custom games to the point people had notepads with my league name and Asol written down. I was not amazing by any means but no one knew how to play against him and they resorted to panicked and forced playmaking which never worked well. Mastering him was incredibly rewarding. One day it just clicked. I really hope they revert the changes but I doubt they will. Thank you for an amazing video about a small community.
Could we get a documentary regarding Swain and his fall from a top/mid battlemage that relies on damage over time with decent sustain to a support/ APC cheese that relies on burst trades and lack of sustain besides ult due to a series of changes from his rework?
Hard agree brother. The Season he got Reworked he became my most played Champion out of nowhere, he was SO fun playing Mid + Top as BattleMage and now he's exiled to Bot Lane even AFTER the Small Update they gave him to be better Mid, which still feels awful Mid. He became Flavor of the Month Mid, Riot patted themselves on the back and now he's Exiled Bot Lane again.
@@ferchemac180 lmaooooooooo His Top doesn't even pop up in Op.gg because it's Pick Rate is so low and Mid is lowest Pick Rate of his 3 Roles that are popular enough to pop up.
I love Aurelion Sol as a whole, from his lore to his looks to even what he was going to be before. When I finally picked him up and started maining him its was fun and something new, even though it did feel like i was doing nothing that is true, having a special connection to his design and personality really made me motivated to even play league in general, he legit was (at least for me) my reason to continue playing league. as the years went by and i saw him just getting shat on I couldn't literally play him anymore, I was losing game after game with him despite how many games i play with aurelion one after the other, and for now i guess that's where I'm at with him, he's just there, waiting for him to finally get that spark that makes him viable, viable enough to even match champions that counter him, because after all, mastering a champion comes in ways where even if something is deemed impossible, it would be possible. I always say aurelion being this powerful almost god-like being but now he's more of a meh usual generic dragon, and I'll be honest first time i saw his ultimate I was kinda surprised by how basic it was, but nonetheless it can go through yasuo walls so I'm okay with that xD. As a sol main, what i want to see is him being this roaming potential champion, that can ACTUALLY 1v1 champions and during the late game he'd become a aoe beast, and honestly, according to the lore, technically Aurelion is a creator rather than a god, a creator of starts and galaxies and such, so why not give him something similar to kai'sa, victor, and kha, he can evolve, make himself stronger as time goes by, just make the character feel fun and not like nay other champion with just point click abilities that deal more damage than a whole champion's kit. And please for the love of god, IF HIS Q IS BIGGER, IT DEALS MORE DAMAGE, not a massive amount to the point is broken BUT NOT A 100 DAMAGE LIKE BRUH.
I totally agree with you, he is a way to interesting champion to be so plane and boring with nothing special about it but his stars orbiting around him. Riot could do so much more with him and I did write some ideas under TBSkyens short take on Aurelion, so i will just quickly copy paste the small paragraph with my personal idea on how to change his ult here: To be honest, I am certain if they come up with good ideas, they might be able to resemble the godlike aspect of aurelion sol. For example, if they were to change him entirely (his kit, not his Lore or anything else) a neat idea would be an ultimate that let's him become untargetable and ascend into the skies. However, it would not just be him flying up to the sky and never be seen again, but actually him flying to you, the players camera, and taking it's place. The player himself as the summoner is somewhat a mighty being in the rift, controlling the champion and looking at the entirety of the rift and aurelion taking it's place, making it seem you are him in first person would give that fitting immersion of an almighty being. Now just throw in a voice line like "scooch over summoner" or "Were you really thinking you are the only one capable of looking down at others?" and you have an S tier resemblance of Aurelion. And yes, the Q should have damage scaling with size, no idea why no one at riot ever thought of including that in the game. And I also agree wit you on the idea of him being a one man army late game. He definitely has the lore-power of doing so and his resemblance in-game is nothing compared to his lore self. Maybe he should have some sort of avatar as his in-game resemblance to show that he is not the one being killed by a hamster with poison darts, but a 'weaker' image of himself to make it fair. If Jax can't have a real weapon, why can't aurelion have a real body?
@@georgesdragon8722 people do think about Q dmg scaling with size, but what about the base dmg of the Q once that buff comes in? They would have to nerf the Q in its small form to balance it, or else the dmg skyrockets for the Q too far. He would have a strong small Q and an even stronger Q when its big. And by any means, asols use the Q in its small form far more often than the big form. So it would be a nerf after all. And besides, the gameplay would be anything but interactive. If that idea would get into the game, you would only see asols tping back into fountain every 60 seconds and try to one shot people with their huge Galaxy throughout the mid/end game. Every 60 seconds backport, try to Q somewhere and fly, if it doesnt work go back to lane, waveclear, wait for E, rinse and repeat. That champ would be dead right on the spot. Besides in the late game aurelion with lot of items deals more than enough dmg with his Q. Considering its an AoE dmg spell that also Stuns the longer the Q flies. As for the idea with first person aurelion. Just why? That would not make aurelion more interesting but just weird. He is not supposed to make you feel like a god. Else malphite has to be as big as the whole summoners rift cause he is supposed to be a mountain and so on. Game design plays a role in this and long animations or anything don't have a space in such a quick paced game. Its like people wanting to see their full backport animation of their 30$ skin they bought, even though they have a baron recall that changes it to 4 seconds.
@@docrun3516 Yes, the nerfs to his Q's base damage would be necessary, but even then Aurelion could still be balanced if they shit his missing small Q damage to his W or his Passive. And even though his Q would deal a shit ton of damage, it would probably still not be used in the fashion you addressed, being used every 60 seconds non stop to get one huge Q off. Even now with a huge stun the big Q is never really used, exceptions being as a zoning tool for objectives when he is far away or as a way to roam to other lanes. And even then it is fairly easy to dodge as long as the enemy knows that they have a minimap. The Q damage on scale would also contribute to the fact that it gives clarity. If I see a huge galaxy flying towards me, I would try to avoid it of course, but if I get hit by it and take only 150 damage or so - yes with a huge stun but that doesn't make me get one shot by Asol anyways - I won't see it as such a huge threat anymore. And about the first person Asol: just why not? He is a character people get invested in because of his unusual looks and sassy voice lines and his ultimate doing something big would push that feel of a god. And yes, if his Lore says he is a god, he should feel like one. Pyke's is the probably best example: you are an insane psychopathic killer and every aspect about him feels like it. Especially his ultimate that let's you go in a killing rampage, the same way pyke would probably slaughter a bunch of people in a frenzy in bilgewater. And Malphite isn't a mountain because... well, because his design is literally 11 years old and has never gotten an update ever since. All of the newer champions fit in the lore rather well and most exceptions are champions that existed till season 1, because the lore was entirely different. And I never said the idea of the first person ultimate was a 10 second animation of sorts, I was imagining something like 1.5 seconds of ascending in the skies, then voice line and Aurelion's hands showing on the sides. The player can now do... Idk, cast one of 3 different celestial abilities with different utility purposes? And after 4 to 8 seconds he descends to the same location he has used the ultimate on, which makes him VERY vulnerable to enemies. My main point stays the same: Aurelion Sol is a far too interesting character to not be pushing his limits more.
I rarely play Aurelion sol because it isnt a suptle "i won" after the level up. Getting Aurelion to level-up is just saying: Use (at least) 8 mana or give up now (suck 1 dmg and summon a spider + kill a unit). Karma in comparison just denies the enemy hard with some comps and if she survived about 3 rounds, you already summoned or cloned her at least twice.
He just feels less fun, after the changes. Power level irrelevant he's just LESS fun. They went right past minor tuning to mana/dmg and went straight to the garbage with the rework on this guy. Look at how they went about nerfing tahm kench to the ground, it was like 37 minor tuning nerfs over several patches. I think the minor tuning works better.
Riot would sound like this: *I understand about your issue playing as Aurelion Sol. But don't worry, the pink-haired banshee will be fixed next patch.*
Not gonna like, sometimes I genuinely get angry at how Riot words their patch notes: on the Samira nerf they wrote specifically "even when technically close to balanced, we believe she has several frustrating attributes that contribute to her high ban rate", which basically means that in their opinion Samira was perfectly fine and we were just bitching, but here's the nerf and shame on us for making them nerf Samira. Sorry if I asked you to nerf the 96% pick/ban ADC in competitive because it was genuinely impossible to play against her Riot, my apologies.
@@tehrik0020 that's exactly what happened when the entire community " litteraly EVERYONE " for 2 years was asking riot to bring back URF after it's first release ..and some people including myself even asked to make it a permanent mode and not just an event ..after 2 years of yelling at riot everywhere to bring URF back ..rito responded like this : " after two years of many of you has been crying and whining about urf we are bringing it back for 10 days ..and we have no intentions of releasing it Ever again .." end of quote . And they didn't even bring URF back ..instead they brought the stupid ARURF only to tease us more and force us to hate the URF event .
I feel like Sol's problem has been the synergy between his W and roam. Most roaming champions have good waveclear, but none in history of league had access to such a good waveclear like Sol's W(old). So I kinda understand riot's idea behind the rework, but it clearly failed. Ultimately the only solution to fix him would be one of the two: 1. Remove roaming and turn him into a scalling mage around his stars. 2. Remove waveclear and turn him into a roaming mage. But I don't see this happening with his old W, so reverting will be impossible.
Tbh, I would gladly take the 1st approach, like ye removing the roam would ruin his theme a bit, but in my mind a Space Dragon that created the universe fits so well with being an hyper carry that scales incredibly well.
he cannot be a roaming mage without waveclear. what are you talking about? the whole point of a roaming champion is to insta shove and roam so you can cheat the laning. and that is his iconic thing, he's the best roaming mage in the game aside of TF. we dont need Aurelion to be a scaling burst mage , there are wayy better mages that can fill this role better. his kit is just a mess, and i dont know if riot will take a look at him again
so Nunu can have both great roaming in the midlane (LEVEL 2 GANKS FROM MID NUNU ARE AIDS) and waveclear but god forbid Ao Sol be viable lmao what a joke rito games
I don't understand dopa's hate on the dragon. That's literally what a OTP is. "this guy has an absurd winrate on one champion but sucks on anything else" yeah that guys is a OTP. there are always OTP's in challenger Like 2 seasons ago there was a singed support OTP in challenger forever that ran smite, with a 60% ish winrate. I don't understand it. why bring out the hate like that on a champion with a 4% pickrate?
Seems like it makes playing TF specifically much harder and dopa plays a LOT of TF. Seems like a personal vendetta because maybe a sol just counters TF lmao
Yea, there are some champs that are designed to change the dynamic of the game. Fiora for instance, when played by a competent and experienced Fiora main, can completely lock down a lane, forcing several opponents to face her, because she is kitted to win 1v1s as the super duelist she is. That's another example of an elo boosting otp choice. Camille otps can also climb above what their overall top perfomance would allow. So even if I've never played A sol I'd be pissed if that actually was the reason for the changes.
No the issue was the design of the champ hes ability to push in waves as quickly as he could caused a situation where Asol didn't have to make a trade off usually a person who clears then roams has to take the risk of at least losing cs asol didn't lose anything so you had a situation where he could out farm out roam any other mid and the one mid who could out roam him he hard counters.
@@traviswhiting1290 assume hes talking about TF. But the point remains that champs like him and Qiyana are on riots short list of champs that arent really allowed to be strong because them being strong removes certain forms of high level skill expression (in this case the entirety of laning: csing, balancing cds and mana, trading, getting vision, etc.)
@@maryp290 Well you have to take into account that you can learn a champ without playing them. It's called vod review/studying. If his friend really cared about learning then he would do this.
@@pittaaaabread there are people who just dont want to watch vods or just can't learn jack shit from watching them so they have to play a champ to actually learn him
Everyone ints with asol for the first few games, it's when you play him enough that you realize that all of his weaknesses and strengths are well defined before the rework.
One of the reason I quit lol and started hating riot the company is the fact that they always wanted to manipulate the game in a way they wanted it to be, but how the player figured out to be. This is just an example of the issues happened throughout the life of lol. Riot is just the CCP in the gaming industry, a centralised and authoritarian entity that care nothing unless the problem would undermine their ability in making money. With lol being one of the largest online multiplayer game and the company's extension into other categories of gaming such as FPS, I fear a new era of computer gaming where the player is no longer the controller of the game they are playing on. But to have their skill level dependent on the willingness of the developer in buffing or nerfing a certain play style, or in this case, champs. If how good you are is not necessarily reflected by the skill but the ability to adopt, this is not gaming, this is evolution. But come on, we are not playing spore.
i believe it depend on tencent since they are the one who make decision. All riot can do is give out opinion and people who in charge will decide to do it or not and normally the measurement they used is ...money
@@theskywalker8416 If i remember correctly tencent doesn't have any impact on the game other than economy. I think Tencent-Riot Games relationship is similer to EA-Apex Legends.
@@FransizSefKurbaga exactly, they don't make game, they don't even know about runnng game, all they care is the number which is profit aka money. Look at the profit you make will tell how they are doing which is not wrong butin some case they don't know it is good or bad because its too complex
As a Aurelion Sol main for the past 3 years all i can say is that season 11 is probably the worst one for him, literally every item is bad on him and he's losing to every matchup, in last season he had a really strong meta with electrocute and glp but now Sol is totally useless without any place in league, it's kinda sad to see that good concept with unique mechanics be thrown to the trash can by riot
No that's wrong. They reworked him to make it easier to balance him (they thought). Old ASOL would always have a low WR due to his hard learning curve but be really really strong. He felt kinda clunky to play before 3 items but was annoying as hell (or nearly impossible) to play against. This meant his WR and playrate were low, but he was frustrating to play against and too strong for competitive. They reworked him for several reasons, as is always the case with these unique champions. They are way too strong because noone plays them resulting in a low winrate. But because of their strength they have no be nerfed (ASOL, Azir, Ryze, Swain, Diana, Vladimir, Zoe)
What do you mean they ruined Ryze? I actually picked him up recently and I have found him a lot of fun to play. I've played this game for like a year now so, what was this ruination of Ryze?
@@darkienl5886 but for that you need to change his kit by a lot. Meaning either you give him more dmg early and less scaling (then you also need to lower his q range and increase e cooldown or he's an insane bully in soloq) or you give him back his old range and attack speed and make him a duelist with consistent dmg and shove potential but less roaming potential (higher mana cost on q and higher Cd on E). Neither of these changes would really get him into a much better spot, because the whole scaling kit with a lot of safety vs ganks and relatively high range makes him so strong for pro play and high elo
@@fillphd the joke was that he said that the champion is hard to play and since he showed Jankos, it's implied that he means Jankos has yet to master the champion.
I've started playing WR more because he actually feels RIGHT. His damage is rewarding, his trading is rewarding, his roams are rewarding, and he still has clear weaknesses that can be exploited.
As a Veigar main and a wild cosmologist, I can tell you that killing the creator of the Universe with a literal chunk of primordial energy which he obviously had to use to create everything is something... beyond.
This video braught me some solace. As an avid A-Sol main, this was comforting to know that at least a few hundred thousand people know about the desolation riot did to this champ.
Let's grind to get Storm Dragon Aurelion Sol together at bit.ly/Buff_Exil
Is there any video of how Riot Games ruined Seraphine.
Would love a video like this for Swain. From Viable pick in Mid + Top (even in Pro) to a Small Rework to exiled to the Bot Lane to getting a Small Update and being Flavor of the month to Re-Exiled to the Bot Lane.
@@snowbiden5472 i still play him top looolll git gud kid
@@gnoblin7320 damn guess he's op then XD
On a small note, there are wukong players unhappy with the rework, as it killed the capabilities of assassin wukong
Imagine creating a celestial dragon.
Now imagine forgetting you created a celestial dragon.
@________ I think you pasted your homework on the wrong site buddy.
@@zugzug7437 I think so too, this isn't pornhub.
They also forgot Bard was a music champion because they stated they had "only one" music champion in Sona before Seraphine.
@____________________ Thx m8.
are you telling me to imagine dragons?
I like how he comes with a q size of entire lane, but then it hits for 100 dmg.
meanwhile zoe :))))
Thats shows how clunky the whole concept is. Even the most simple thing feels.. off.
@@dobbyas7812 I know (hope) you're joking
But to be fair these things are completely different lol
My brother likes to play asol and just yesterday I was laughing at this exact same thing. He flew with his huge Q across the map and didn't even kill the ranged minions
@@dracosspetentrio6016 yeah. He either needs damage scaling like veig, a faster q, or more damage on it. Really any of them could balance it out. His w doesn't do that much damage, his e has the cool down of a lux ult, and his ultimate also doesn't do much damage, and doesn't provide much in the way of cc. I like how he looks, but good luck playing him outside of Iron.
If only Aurelian Sol was an anime woman, would’ve been fixed immediately.
Lul true
true that brother
and people still playing him think otherwise uwu
So true.
I'm an Ahri main and I don't even remember the last time she was competetive. Even being a waifu who sells skin they will fuck you over
I love the feeling of playing the literal creator of worlds and knowing you wont be able to win against anyone in a 1v1
@@Gloomistic the Star Systems which later on feature planets in habitat areas in the end creating life itself..?
The creation of stars tend to result in the creation of planets, as the cosmic dust is pulled together by gravity. Only most of it becomes the star in the center.
😂😂😂 me main a sol and I allways win the lane phase
Yea uh, Asol is busted, and I’m an asol one trick, as long as u really know how to play him, he shits on everyone except zed and fizz and Helmer, n zigs hardest matchups
i bet yuumi could even beat him
Aurelion Sol mains: "They really ruined this champ"
Aatrox mains: "First time?"
The 2 Aurelion Sol Mains*
Hey, wish they had more Jellal during the show and the opening during his arc was my favorite in the series
Shack players know the vibes
this rlly made me sad
at least aatrox is still usable
I don't even play Aurelion Sol and I'm on the side that they should revert his W change. If way more popular champions went through a wave of feedback that said "undo a change that alienated the character's playerbase" and Riot actually reverted those changes, there's no reason ASol should still be left this distraught. Let the seventeen people that mastered his kit have fun again.
As one of those 17 people, I appreciate you very much.
im one of those 17 people and i thank you for this
As another diplomat from the council of 17 space dragons, I too shall give you my deepest thanks.
@@1merllin1 yup i went into the Sol mains disc and we’re all still pissed about the change
@@komyn27 as another one of these 17 people, I also thank you.
Fun fact: The Asol champion page still displays his old W.
Ye, I love watching those displays, Fizz's W is still the one with mark too
look at ezreal's champion page LUL
Same with kench
This is not fun. It is sad.
@@pianopride212So you don't laugh a bit when sad? Oh well.
Unpopular champs mains: pls riot listen to us :(
RITO: yes, i'll give you this: *seraphine*
Rito!!
Meanwhile Seraphine can easily burst someone with support item: This is fine
He was insanely broken despite his low pick rate
You mean belle delphine? Riot theyr OF wet dream?
Imagine them actively trying to make the most complicated champ in League-history.
And then Aphelios being easier to play than Aurelion Sol despite his 50 million passives and combos.
They tried to make something even more inaccessible and failed despite actively trying.
Asol doesn't feel like a dragon. He doesn't feel like a space god. He feels like a wet noodle
a powerful wet noodle
He should have been an AP juggernaut
@@dylanhelvetios2300 I play him ap juggernaut top lmao (diamond elo), you're 100% right on that one brother (I clearly dislike the roaming aspect of him)
if they ever nerfed my snowball ill quit too.
Lmfao
I always loved old asol but new is the definition of clunky, I'd love if they tried to give him the urgot W treatment where at rank 5 you can toogle the skill.
Wait this is actually a really good idea. lol.
@@Exil22 instead of the skill costing 110 mana at rank 5, actually more than his ult
a genius here.
RIOT
He'd still have a lot of issues imo
like urgot's w in fact
"I did not speak up when they killed ASol, because I did not play ASol.
I did not speak up when they killed Aatrox, because I did not play Aatrox.
When they came for my main, no one spoke up for me because there was no one left to speak up."
-League player, 2025
My main champion died on the release of Lucian ..and she was revived 2 years later ,then they killed her again after the Mass Assassins Rework back in Season ( Fu*king ) 5 ..
R.I.P. Ashe .😭
I mained Poppy, Yorick and Morde then they all got reworked nearly back to back to back. Switched to Atrox then they got him. and now I play none of them 😢 slowly all the champions I liked are being changed and removing why I liked them. I only play maybe 100 games of league a year vs 1000.
@@SephirothVersus Ashe has a decent winrate history trough the years no? She also is a good counter to senna who is a popular champ at the moment. (Also gives you a little revenge on al those Lucians).
It's exactly whats happening to akali rn
@@justsomerandomdudethatyoud7806 and that is completely deserved. No one enjoys playing against akali.
A Sol is the most disapointing release I ever got to witness... His concept was badass, his music theme was out of this world, in his trailer he was crushing stars between his fingers. In game he plays with balls and spit on you for a chunk of damage with his ult
i remember all the leaks and community theories about A Sol (then called Ao Shin). one of the biggest gut punched to the league community
How is a dragon the most disappointing when you are given the choice to a pacifist jungler that's a tree?
At least they did him justice in Legends of Runeterra.
Ao Shin didn’t die for this... I’m appalled.
@@Ayuima69 The pacifist jungler give u more action than the cosmic dragon xD
I saw the title and immediately thought of how Aurelion sol used to be
nice!
Taliyah gang too
@@wastucar8127 taliyah and asol are two very different cases. Asol got reworked into a champ with no gameplay identity, taliyah just got nerfed into the ground and then ignored
@@bruh3457 aSol has no identity? He is a roaming mage even he cannot clear the wave with a single ability cast anymore, Ahri f.e. can’t do this too but she is still considered as a roaming mage.
@@bruh3457 so basically what happened original to evelyn?
If Aurelion Sol gets turned into an anime dragon waifu, maybe he'll get some lo- oh, wait, we already have one and she's ignored too. Feelssadman. :(
truth
Still mad Shyvana didn't win the rework poll. That champ has severe identity crisis and yet was one of the coolest launches
@@scarletvrgames568 People needed to vote for Udyr in order to complain about how he took flight before the rework and now he sucks.
Because let's be honest, Udyr was already ok by the time the voting started xD
It's gonna be Aatrox all over again.
@@sunnydargonnel Oh 100%. Udyr was finally in a good spot after all these years and people just opted to hit him with a rework rather than wait for balance changes..as if Amumu wasn't broken earlier, as an random example. Plus Skarner just does the same thing as him atm..
@@scarletvrgames568 skarner might do similar things than udyr, but udyr just has a shit ton more up front damage.
Amumu was just broken.
20 minute solo baron on 2 items.
good luck with that.
Sol still hasnt been reverted?
Holy shit, I quit playing 1 year ago and I remember how they destroyed that champion’s identity. He was so cool, and watching a skilled Sol was amazing.
I have only tried playing him after rework and the W not staying is so annoying. I finally get in a good position and my time to deal damage is limited.
Good for you for quitting league. It's been 2 weeks since the last time I played league. Heheh. League is dying.
@@jermanmartinez5577 I was honestly amazed by how outwardly toxic 70% of my games were.
Like I play csgo now, and most the time its silence, “ggez”, and the rare child screaming.
The rework seems to only be good in wildrift where he kept his e allowed him to turn and he got passive movement speed from it and q gave him movement speed also joy stick controls make his stars insanely easier to hit
What did they do to him
This makes me sad, because in my opnion Asol has one of the most beautiful designs of the game.
I agree. His kit is the creative and unique but it just doesn't work like it should. As sad as I would be he needs a rework.
His design is what got me into the game.
And I still play him!
He’s great in aram ^^
Balance nightmare
The problem is that he is brutal op or useless. I never saw a Aol and was like „ha that’s normal“
@@amogus205 Yeah, thats the only place I was enjoying him before Ive quit. But even there, a Morgana W or something like that was able to stop you and then your massive Q is gone, you cant do it for a whole minute, in which the enemy decimates you and your team, takes a tower, and keep shoving the wave. 😔
Being a Aurelion Sol main helped me a lot at stop playing League of Legends, my life is way better now. Thanks, Cosmic Dragon
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yo actually, i mained sol and quit lol. Can relate.
Congrats to you bro
They only boost and barely nerf champions that sells skins.
You'll be back unless you want to prove me wrong.
The best part of Aurelion? His voice lines
*Slaps Asol* this badboy can fit so much sass into it
I met the voice actor and he's a nice guy lol He also voiced Madara
@@MrLuffy9131 2 characters that got cucked by plot..........kinda sad
@@Enviosss Actually 3 because he ironically also voiced Obito lol
@@MrLuffy9131 TF? LOL🗿🗿
Funny. He was introduced as one of the strongest beings, capable of creating and destroying star systems, yet he's the complete opposite of it.
@@jinfra- I got a glimpse of his glory back then. He was strong for sure, but his learning curve and playstyle is different from your typical mage. He had a stun, his w as a zoning tool, immense roam capability, and his ult was disgusting. But once learned, the payoff is nice. But it's kinda sad since they advertised A-Sol that way but look where he is now, barely played excluding dedicated A-Sol mains.
Lets be fair literally all the 10 most broken champs in lore are just trash in lol including Asol azir ryze xerath they are all too powerful but look at the game a man with 2 axes can 1 shot them or serial killer can just collect them with collector its really dark comedy 😂
@@mohamedyasser3771 Asol might be weak right now but azir, ryze and xerath are pretty good I have no idea why you classified these 3 as trash, also you can outplay the man with 2 axes or the serial killer my guy. Your team is also helpfull and the teamcomp matters too much.
@@lyrea8111 azir only good in pro play and he got nerfed again its hard for him in solo queue/ryze what are you talking about he is literally a waking trash right now with too weak early game and need at least 30 min in game to do something and rn in this meta the game is decided by first 15 min/xerath only work in low elo players have no macro can't dive and don't how to focus other than that he is one of the worst with the worst stun in the game that is used for attacking only you dont have anything to defend yourself you cant build any defensive item without losing too much dmg you are becoming useless if you try to defend yourself with all the sustain in the game rn you team must work just to defend you other wise you get one shot did i mention you need to hit your combo more than 2 times to kill anyone if you are even with the enemy except for adc anyone can oneshot him
@@lyrea8111 iam with you Asol is in much worse stat than those guys all my point is that riot doesn't care about old champs except if they are popular if your main is not popular iam sorry my friend you are forgotten thats my point
Everytime I try to make honest feedback on reddit that isnt possitive about Riot, it gets deleted by mods most of the time.
They closed forums and in reddit they dont let players say feedback.
"Just because it didn't happen to the champion that you like to play."
*cries in old Aatrox*
Me, a Swain Player: I mean it did happen but it didn't do anything outside of Flavor of the Month Mid Pick then back to Exiled Bot.
"Heavily sweating at each rework announcements as a Quinn main" (new Quinn tho, didnt play the old but still she is on the edge too)
*cries in old Xerath*
(It's been years but I still hate it)
me as a mordekaiser player: eh. not as bad, new works, but not nearly as good as old morde. miss taking the dragon for a walk.
Cries in old yorick where riot nerfed him so hard he just wasnt a champion in the game until his rework XD
I was so sad when i wanted to pick up Asol and i found out he was reworked like a year ago. It still feels horrible to play that champ
yep it sucks man
As a retired 1 million points ASol OTP: thanks for making his problems visible to the community. A revert would be the dream, but I don't think it's happening. At least I would love to see changes to make him more fun to play, and powerful.
RIP
:(
@@sQrLLZ imagine they change asol E to short dash like Ahri R.
@@kaelhazard-4171 Then the Q should kinda be changed. Also the W. Again. The Q for flexibility and W for high damage, depends on the E.
14:00 basically, imagine an adc that has their basic attacks on cooldown, and can use them for 3 seconds every 6 seconds
Jhin but weaker
And can miss those basic attacks
like... graves?
@@pmangano imagine grave buth that can discharge without a target. because if you can shoot with grave, you hit
@@tenderandmoist5011 new champ called zeri has skillshot auto attacks lol
To put it simply, they kind of ruined his identity and didn't bother opting for a revert when the issues he had left next season. Can we agree we would rather have the old Aurelion back for the sacrifice of his roaming?
old aurelion was roaming, they tried to change him into a dueling burst mage
He always was good in roaming, which just begs the question, why do they even want to buff the only good aspect of him and not consider the weaker ones?
Looks at Aatrox... big sad
He already was a roam mage, but he's now yet another burst mage
@@Gabriel-il2kl Revert Aatrox :( I don't care how bad he would be ,just revert him...
Don't forget back in the old days what happened to Evelynn - where they literally _killed_ the champion by removing the stun she relied on for kills and left her terrible for years before fixing her.
Aatrox was abandoned for about 6 years too. Riot has some habits.
at least they make a rework for them which can be considered success base on what we have right now
@@theskywalker8416 What we have right now isn't exactly a success.
@@notwise9455 IDK. Evelyn, well this version is hands down better than the olde carpal tunnel inducing old one. As for aatroix. Hard to say. Ive enjoyed all versions but they definatly fealt like different champions.
@@Niick3015 This aatrox always felt generic to me. He's just some war god now.
Originally he was somewhat unique and his design was brand new to me. I miss him.
"The virgin League of Legends Asol vs The chad Legends of Runeterra Aurelion Sol. Aurelion Sol is the only 10 cost champion in the entire game. And his stat line isn't laughable. It's terrifying. There is no better combination of Aurelion Sol leveling up and your opponent surrendering." - Bricky.
And he have spell shield which is unfair
owh owhh dont forget now we have MORE obliterate too in the game
Add Azir to that list
Based Legends of Runeterra runeterra lore based >>> Cringe League of Legends unbalanced and incoherent game
@@arthurmerkulov5904 but if you have a vengeance in your hand it's goodbye azir, in the other hand if you try to kill ASol with a spell, he won't be affected bc of spellshield
All companies suffer from the "only esports matter" where they only care about esports. That's why most players got away with playing garen yuumi bot for the longest time until esports did it.
Actually epic prefers the only kiddos matter... and i prefer the esport one
Nintendo dont give a fuck about competitive smash. Im not saying it's a bad thing, they're just a company I can think of that actively discourages it's pro play
And I hate it. Most players are in lower ranks. Balance around where most players are!
@@WazoobiumNitrate In the past, yes, but right now? This year and the next have and are going to be the best years for pro smash. Ultimate is getting more balance around pro play, nintendo has their own active tournaments, and are now endorsing, sponsoring, and officially partnering with multiple tournament organizers for Ultimate AND Melee
@@xal7034 what world u living in, ults done and nintendo games aint even at evo now
I wish Aurelion Sol's w worked more like Urgot's W, starting on a CD, but then making its way to a toggled ability
this would actually be a really good middle ground. have w give a burst of rotational speed to the orbs as the expand then slow to original as they reach full size, and have the CD start at like 5 sec (after it expanded and contracted) and at max level have it be a 1 sec toggle
@@ikxalenull7 or make him get more orbs later in the game like urf but nerfing the damage early in general or exclusively versus minions and making him start with 3 so he cant get that waveclear before lvl 5-6 where champs like tf or malz have a chance. They can nerf e cd and speed but remove the mark the enemy sees, making a good roam more rewarding and having a chance of punishing bad roams. Also his q needs damage nerf but longer stun duration in shorter range to compete versus assassins. I think that would make him a well rounded champion
Have every a sol m7 vote on if they want a reset or not and see what happens lol
I would be okay with this. I think Riot would be okay with this too.
That's a decent late game idea son
I don't main or even play Aurelion sol, but I just want him to be the badass cosmic dragon that he deserves to be.
Try the card game. He actually feels powerful there
@@finnheisenheim8274 how about wildrift?? Hes actually good there
@@imjonathan6745 can agree
Fk tht lol I want my main to be good on pc again
Hecarim mage
And now they Nerf him again
Riot right now: 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Wait REALLY!? FUCK!
Nevermind the fact that he’s far and away one of the best champions in high elo.
@@OakenTome And nevermind the fact that there's only 10 people playing him on high elo and only those players play asol
@@OakenTome He has a 0.8 pick rate that's fucking nothing
@@checkthebush6500 I’m a platinum 2 asol player with almost 600k points who also plays fizz if the matchup is complete trash, I am probably top 15 asol players because there’s only 15 of us lol
Riot won't care about Aurelion because he is not popular, they have shown that they are willing to fuck over a player base because of that.
(Look at Aatrox rework)
Correction: na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/ask-riot-lessons-from-dev/
"After Aatrox’s update, we swapped the primary and secondary goals for VGUs. Player trust became (and remains) our primary goal-even if that means the champ ends up being a little less engaging or exciting for the broader playerbase."
Imagine still complaining about the Aatrox rework when it was a success, the new Aatrox is way healthier than the old braindead Yi that increases his range on ultimate and has infinite sustain. Old Aatrox was either super shit or ultra broken, I mained him 6 years ago. Tired of the bootleg Aatrox mains that "mained" him during his broken state.
@@sauron1414 yup, Sauron himself have spoken truth.
Old Aatrox was a boring af champion to play and play against. It was almost the same concept of Tryndamere and another AA toplaner like old fiora, yasuo, xin and almost everyone else.
Complaining about Aatrox rework is like complaining about fiora's or GP. At least now the champion need some sort of skill to fully succeed on lane.
@@sidradeave even if he isn't that great right now, remember back when his unstoppable on q used to be cc'able? The champ was doomed and needed a rework.
@@sidradeave Its seems you just watched the video and didn't agree with the premise at all. The reason Old Aatrox players don't like Boris ( what they call New Aatrox) is because in no way shape or form does he feel like Aatrox, the only thing remaining of his old identity is a small amount of self heal. He doesn't feel like Aatrox, he feels like Riven 2.
"Oh you all shouldn't complain because when he got reworked, he was stronger"
Ok, then you agree with the idea that the LeBlanc and Rengar players who complained about their changes were wrong. That those were on only a couple of abilites. Aatrox I reiterate, has nearly nothing remaining from his old identity. He went from a sustain tank/duelist, to an AD caster. His character went from an Insidious planing manipulator, whose main frame was "Battle is Elegance", who was framed by those he fought alongside with as a hero, only for those same people to eventually have the Glamor wear off, and realise the atrocous acts that they not only help him commit willingly, but praised him for, to a Kratos knockoff. Literally the antithesis of his character, yes they both still care about bloodshed and battle only, but their approaches are night and day.
Did Aatrox need a rework because of his kit, sure, but in every other rework they have ever done they have sought fir to qt least try and maintain a semblance of the characters Identity. With Aatrox they failed categorically and undeniably.
ao shin.. i remember when they teased him and i was like - A FREAKING DRAGON! with water and wind stuff? i want him! and then we got aurelion sol:I, i likem him at start but he got incredibly weak bcs of meta being assasins and his unability to do anything to get himself free without ult, and then they changed his stars:I
Can we agree that I'm not the only one who has the bell turned on for Kellen's amazing documentaries
thank you a bunch
Yep!
Of course. Maybe one of my favourite RUclips channels
Same
When starting League, I immediately fell in love with ASol's playstyle. It was actually the only champion in the game that I felt truely resonated with me. I never found him clunky, at all. When his rework came, I tried others champions... Warwick and Jhin came pretty close to being my new mains but they never felt as... Home, as Aurelion Sol. His passive movement speed on E was super fun but I could live without it. His W rework, not so much. It sucked out all the ejoyment I had in the champion. Reverting that one change would be enough to make me come back, both in that champion, and in the game in general.
YES, this, exactly this
As unique as he is, I really hate how riot botched ASol thematically. Just at him in LoR, as a comparison.
Playing ASol and Azir in LoR keeps making me tempted to try and play them in LoL, but I don't really see myself devoting the time to it, or being satisfied with the results
God LoR is so good with lore
A-Sol’s Q tickles. His W not having the toggle ruins the point of the ability. His E is on too high a cooldown. His R tickles and is like a small af range weeniehut jr. version of Lux ult.
It's all a setup for the W tho, the Q gives you movement speed to engage and allows you to reposition mid fight, same for the R. I wouldn't mind both of those if the W felt good.
Just revert his W. All 5 Sol mains will finally be happy, everyone else will continue not playing him, and order will be restored in the world.
All 5 Sol mains lmao
What is his old w? I'm new here
@@chrischeng9145 Mate, I couldn't even tell you what his current w does. He spins balls around, and changes their radius, and sometimes presses a button that gets him to lane faster.
@@chrischeng9145 So instead of his stars doing 3 quick rotations of damage with each star hitting following by a speed boost, it was an ongoing ability that stays up and continuously consumes mana like Anivia’s ultimate. The stars revolved him slower though (shown in the video). This made it so he could easily push out the wave from as early as level 1 and roam, granted he didn’t get the ms boost, plus like Anivia’s ult it would be cancelled by hard CC and silences/interrupts. He was the ultimate solo queue champion for anyone that one tricked him though, even better than anyone else one tricking another champion.
I reckon he should also get a bit of Diana-esque treatment. Put the Q and E into one ability and make it his ult, put a smaller version of his R on Q, then add something new and spicy as his E.
Asol aesthetics: godly
Asol lore: insane and top tier
Asol dialogue: *B O O P*
shame that Asol gameplay ain't the same 😞😞😞
"All these reverts"
*Kog'Maw Mains* : and I took that personally
Good old 5 AS Kog.
@@ponglenis9273 5 AS Kog was so fucking fun
Ik I might get shot at for this, but I liked the original kog over 5 AS kog
@@silersun4458 it is also nice yeah
Riot: That was too toxic
Also riot: What about a rune so every ADC can be toxic as well?
Immagine Riot not being biased by how well a champion sells skins
If only they made him better, he would be selling a lot of them
This is literallly how this company gets their revenue. Would you blame a supermarket selling food?
@@Vymere No, but it would feel bad to some people if, for exemple, removed their favorite brand of cookies that actually taste good from the store to get another one that sells better but tastes the same.
@@Vymere I mean their dumbass brought in a copy pasta of another champion just to bank off of kpop because that's an intelligent move.
@@LoreGoshi I don't see the fucking problem with that... Tastes the same, costs the same but sells better. You Always gotta think about Riots employee. They get a lot of money but have to spend a lot too.
If you play sol and there are lets say 10 k player that do play him a lot then you get a skin for 10 player and have to pay artists, code writer, special engineers and so on. In the end its just not worth it, unless its part of an skin line.
0:58 There was a 2-patch period of time in which Tahm Kench was rendered literally unplayable due to two major bugs, but then also had a bug giving his devour infinite range *in live servers.* While we all suffered, they absolutely refused to fix it until we started megaspamming them about it on all their social media accounts and finally bullied them into making the change mid-patch.
It's worth noting that NONE of this ever made it into the patch notes.
"all hope is not lost"
11 month later : Asol being nerfed has become a community meme.
Better nerf Irelia?
I’ve stopped trusting Riot’s game balance abilities after Seraphine being in the game
and viego...
@@jivanian.-.9538 so many bugs 🙄🙄
Her range is the size of a lane lmfao
Why's that?
I extremely agree on gusto but seraphine?,why?
And fizz
When I first started playing I immediately gravitated (pardon the pun) towards the space dragon for one simple reason:
The sass that this boy brings to the table.
Legends If Runeterra: Is a TERRIFYING AS FUCK
League of Legends: Is literally one of those pets you buy in RPG's
When Asol is on the board in runeterra its basically next game pls
@@wasterzumbody8141 which is how it should be, its a 10 cost giant space dragon god........you play it out late game and its brilliant
@@Droopsnooot and the leveled up version is like playing 18lvl asol with full build when everyone else is level 11 and 1 item
Definitely more manageable now though. Really only sees a lot of play in low elo. Why? Inconsistent. He's a dead card til turn 6-7 minimum assuming you got cost drops for him. Targon's Peak can bring him in, but same thing, inconsistent.
you should see the "cosmic enchantress lulu" skin, her pix is literally baby-aurelion sol. thats how he feels
Dopa complaining about people being boosted is ironic.
I spent the entire thing going... so does every other otp your point?
@@dragonsreingsupreme1 "bronze aurelion can play against a challenger" Yeah right, someone who paid for a challenger account will not be able to beat another bronze mid. Like this whole argument was dumb. Yes Aurelion was a good champ, but tweaking instead of nerfing would've been much better. You got much stronger champs in the game now.
Lmao, he is literally the booster
Sol is my favorite champion, but he got gutted hard. He deserves some love, because he is in an awful spot rn
i fell you brother
@@stormdragon2529 u guys have same pfp lol
Same
On wild rift mobile version if league he is OP bruh because the map is small
@@brdon2099 he has the unfinished art of the skin kek.
Remember when Riot completely REMOVED Twisted Treeline? Yeah, I'm still trying to get back into the game since then. I was an avid 3v3 player (literally only played 3v3s for almost 4 years). I feel betrayed and ignored by Riot.
same i used to love it, it was perfect for when you had 3 people in a lobby or if you just wanted to play a shorter game-mode that wasn’t aram. Riot never gave it a facelift or even balanced it like aram and they wonder why it had a small player base.
I used to play teambuilder almost exclusively, and i left when it was removed. Only came back recently
That made me quit & after the item changes I definitely don't miss LoL, besides I am a D1 LoR player instead of a G4 LoL player
When 3v3 first came out it was amazing it has such a werid map, then twisted treeline and that was diffrent but grew on me the same it has such a odd meta to it compared to dominion aram and Summoners rift, I was sad to see it go.
How about dominion ? This gamemode was fun as hell
These days I only ever play Aurelion in urf, cuz then I can have his stars out as much as I want, like how it used to be
Urf Sol is so fun, especially with gaining stars at levels 6 13 and 25. Level 13 powerspike feels so good, even when everyone having more movespeed makes it harder to position abilities properly.
@@zehk7963 the stars shouldve been kept to buff him and not just make it an urf exclusive
sadly, urf ended not long ago :(
is it coming back btw?
The fact that lee sin got the legendary storm dragon skin enrages me. Yeah let’s give lee another legendary and have a storm dragon fly around and say I am a star dragon
Honestly when I first saw A Sol, I immediately thought of IO of Dota 2 since both have those spiraling orbs around them, the diff is IOs is much more manageable since it goes in and out, in which I think A Sols stars should be also like that too...
Carry io is best io.
Zoe q and relocate sounds like a wet dream for me
"Just because this hasn't happened to a champion you like to play..." *cries in yorick*
And Swain!
Bro, I main Asol and yorick D:
old ryze main back when he had a real soloq ultimate
I just want my kench jungle back, they benched my boy pretty hard
To those who commented before me. In my opinion which you don't have to agree on, neither do I on yours, new Yorick and new swain are better but tahm kench tho... I loved his solo potential. And ryze! Yeah, remember ukting three times in a single teamfight.
Also new Sion is best Sion.
4:14 Wow, seeing Matt's ACTUAL Spotlight especially on ASol again made me feel nostalgic and happy
"All Aurelion needs is a minor rework like Wukong."
Riot: "Got it. We change EVERYTHING in his kit!"
And make it worse!
God, that reworked literally pushed me away from ever wanting to even try to play a sol. Sad to see him like that, such a cool champion concept :((
This is a problem with all eSports
When a Pro crys, a Hero dies.
Coincidence you have a bastion pic since overwatch feels awful for this the past 4 years. My least favorite has to be how most of the healers feel nerfed to the point they cant defend themselves that well and should instead evade until their tank or dps deals with it.
Fuck the bastion changes man. He used to be so good in season 1. The rework absolutely killed his reach on turret mode.
@@skiedev I love bastion as a character in the game, I'm a tank and healer main XD, and I have seen all the mercy changes xD, and no tracers changes or ganji onces,
This is the reason there is lack off healers and tank in overwatch, cause Blizzard only makes heros for dps players.
irony is that dopa (the dude complaining about asol) is probably the most hated person of riot and if he actually stood by this theory that asol would be perfect for boosting, he would play asol himself. dude is not a pro player but just a good booster and would probably do anything to make his job easier. pro players don't actually have a problem with him in most cases, because nobody really plays him in pro play anyways.
True, this is a problem in a lot of games, what is the point of caring about pro players balance opinion?
They follow all the same path of "keeping everything like It was before so I dont need to relearn things"
Lol i like how he actually changed the video title from "almost ruined" to "ruined"
You should do Varus next. This champion surprisingly has a lot of history and over the years with many changes his identity/character comes into question.
I forgot this champ existed. Legit haven't seen him in solo q for 2 years.
As an Aurelion Sol main who still plays him frequently, thank you very much for shining some light to the issue! It really means a lot for me and for the whole Sol community!
Im not a-sol main but, hope riot take what u guys want this champ to be.
I agreed
This is true. I'm not an Asol main but Rito need to do something about Asol. He is the worst champ to play right now because of his multiple nerfs. A lot of champs can counter Asol and he is the only champ that can't hide in Bushes.
used to main him. like many, I quit after they reworked his w and called it a "buff" lmao
So true. It's the same for me and Taliyah. My first season of playing ranked I ONLY played Asol and Taliyah. I was able to reach diamond and despite the nerfs to them im still able to reach diamond with TF thanks to (Ironically) Dopa's vods and learning how to play TF. I miss season 7 :(.
I have to say, I remember how annoying was to play against Aurelion. But that was not a bad thing imo, it added a new dimension to the game.
I learned to ward correctly as a supp thanks to Sol. I learned to save skills and mana thanks to Sol. I overall became a better player because of him.
I went from wanting to dodge any game with him on it to not caring at all...
Today's new champions are worse than what Aurelion used to be.
@@Vaark Annoying? You mean op? A champion that doesn't even need to care to learn basics like wave management, warding, ganking, resources management, etc. A champion designed to scale, but with an early game better than early champions itself. It was not annoying, it was broken.
@@ignacioariellopez8491 then play any melee assassin and fuck his life over. Very easy answer.
@@therion4225 Never said he was op right now, in fact, he is really balanced in terms of skill/reward. However, few years ago A Sol was really, really op cause of the things the video already said, and you people dont seem to accept that fact.
This change was my final straw for riot. He was one of my favorite champions to play and I lost so much enjoyment out of being that boop king in team fights. As the only Asol player in my friend group, he was always a threat when we did custom games to the point people had notepads with my league name and Asol written down. I was not amazing by any means but no one knew how to play against him and they resorted to panicked and forced playmaking which never worked well. Mastering him was incredibly rewarding. One day it just clicked. I really hope they revert the changes but I doubt they will. Thank you for an amazing video about a small community.
And then there are champs like viego, yone, akali, etc that can be 0/5 and still 1 shot you even when you have level and item advantage
Akali got nerfed to the ground though. Only recently her buff made her a bit more viable again.
@@starryskies279 Keeps killing you when you have lvl and item advantage
I love it when a support Pyke executes my full build bruiser with Randuin's and Steraks at half health
Ah yes, the 0/7 Yone who killed my 15/0 Trundle that´s a good flashback
Rito has their favourites :/
Could we get a documentary regarding Swain and his fall from a top/mid battlemage that relies on damage over time with decent sustain to a support/ APC cheese that relies on burst trades and lack of sustain besides ult due to a series of changes from his rework?
Hard agree brother. The Season he got Reworked he became my most played Champion out of nowhere, he was SO fun playing Mid + Top as BattleMage and now he's exiled to Bot Lane even AFTER the Small Update they gave him to be better Mid, which still feels awful Mid.
He became Flavor of the Month Mid, Riot patted themselves on the back and now he's Exiled Bot Lane again.
yeah he's basically dead without Rod of Ages
Quit bullsh*t, he is one of the best mid/top laners this season, some silver players picking him as support doesn't mean anything
@@ferchemac180 lmaooooooooo
His Top doesn't even pop up in Op.gg because it's Pick Rate is so low and Mid is lowest Pick Rate of his 3 Roles that are popular enough to pop up.
Current Swain is basicaly Vladimir that sucks.
I'm not an Aurelion main, but I'm so damn salty about his W not being a toggle anymore.
Im kinda confused why they didnt pull an Urgot and make the W a toggle after it is maxed.
I love Aurelion Sol as a whole, from his lore to his looks to even what he was going to be before. When I finally picked him up and started maining him its was fun and something new, even though it did feel like i was doing nothing that is true, having a special connection to his design and personality really made me motivated to even play league in general, he legit was (at least for me) my reason to continue playing league. as the years went by and i saw him just getting shat on I couldn't literally play him anymore, I was losing game after game with him despite how many games i play with aurelion one after the other, and for now i guess that's where I'm at with him, he's just there, waiting for him to finally get that spark that makes him viable, viable enough to even match champions that counter him, because after all, mastering a champion comes in ways where even if something is deemed impossible, it would be possible. I always say aurelion being this powerful almost god-like being but now he's more of a meh usual generic dragon, and I'll be honest first time i saw his ultimate I was kinda surprised by how basic it was, but nonetheless it can go through yasuo walls so I'm okay with that xD. As a sol main, what i want to see is him being this roaming potential champion, that can ACTUALLY 1v1 champions and during the late game he'd become a aoe beast, and honestly, according to the lore, technically Aurelion is a creator rather than a god, a creator of starts and galaxies and such, so why not give him something similar to kai'sa, victor, and kha, he can evolve, make himself stronger as time goes by, just make the character feel fun and not like nay other champion with just point click abilities that deal more damage than a whole champion's kit. And please for the love of god, IF HIS Q IS BIGGER, IT DEALS MORE DAMAGE, not a massive amount to the point is broken BUT NOT A 100 DAMAGE LIKE BRUH.
I totally agree with you, he is a way to interesting champion to be so plane and boring with nothing special about it but his stars orbiting around him. Riot could do so much more with him and I did write some ideas under TBSkyens short take on Aurelion, so i will just quickly copy paste the small paragraph with my personal idea on how to change his ult here:
To be honest, I am certain if they come up with good ideas, they might be able to resemble the godlike aspect of aurelion sol. For example, if they were to change him entirely (his kit, not his Lore or anything else) a neat idea would be an ultimate that let's him become untargetable and ascend into the skies. However, it would not just be him flying up to the sky and never be seen again, but actually him flying to you, the players camera, and taking it's place. The player himself as the summoner is somewhat a mighty being in the rift, controlling the champion and looking at the entirety of the rift and aurelion taking it's place, making it seem you are him in first person would give that fitting immersion of an almighty being.
Now just throw in a voice line like "scooch over summoner" or "Were you really thinking you are the only one capable of looking down at others?" and you have an S tier resemblance of Aurelion.
And yes, the Q should have damage scaling with size, no idea why no one at riot ever thought of including that in the game. And I also agree wit you on the idea of him being a one man army late game. He definitely has the lore-power of doing so and his resemblance in-game is nothing compared to his lore self. Maybe he should have some sort of avatar as his in-game resemblance to show that he is not the one being killed by a hamster with poison darts, but a 'weaker' image of himself to make it fair. If Jax can't have a real weapon, why can't aurelion have a real body?
I saw an Sol once with 3 million points, and did not see any other Sol for many games after that. Was crazy, the mains do exist but it’s very rare
@@georgesdragon8722 people do think about Q dmg scaling with size, but what about the base dmg of the Q once that buff comes in? They would have to nerf the Q in its small form to balance it, or else the dmg skyrockets for the Q too far. He would have a strong small Q and an even stronger Q when its big. And by any means, asols use the Q in its small form far more often than the big form. So it would be a nerf after all. And besides, the gameplay would be anything but interactive. If that idea would get into the game, you would only see asols tping back into fountain every 60 seconds and try to one shot people with their huge Galaxy throughout the mid/end game. Every 60 seconds backport, try to Q somewhere and fly, if it doesnt work go back to lane, waveclear, wait for E, rinse and repeat. That champ would be dead right on the spot. Besides in the late game aurelion with lot of items deals more than enough dmg with his Q. Considering its an AoE dmg spell that also Stuns the longer the Q flies.
As for the idea with first person aurelion. Just why? That would not make aurelion more interesting but just weird. He is not supposed to make you feel like a god. Else malphite has to be as big as the whole summoners rift cause he is supposed to be a mountain and so on. Game design plays a role in this and long animations or anything don't have a space in such a quick paced game. Its like people wanting to see their full backport animation of their 30$ skin they bought, even though they have a baron recall that changes it to 4 seconds.
@@docrun3516 Yes, the nerfs to his Q's base damage would be necessary, but even then Aurelion could still be balanced if they shit his missing small Q damage to his W or his Passive. And even though his Q would deal a shit ton of damage, it would probably still not be used in the fashion you addressed, being used every 60 seconds non stop to get one huge Q off. Even now with a huge stun the big Q is never really used, exceptions being as a zoning tool for objectives when he is far away or as a way to roam to other lanes. And even then it is fairly easy to dodge as long as the enemy knows that they have a minimap. The Q damage on scale would also contribute to the fact that it gives clarity. If I see a huge galaxy flying towards me, I would try to avoid it of course, but if I get hit by it and take only 150 damage or so - yes with a huge stun but that doesn't make me get one shot by Asol anyways - I won't see it as such a huge threat anymore.
And about the first person Asol: just why not? He is a character people get invested in because of his unusual looks and sassy voice lines and his ultimate doing something big would push that feel of a god. And yes, if his Lore says he is a god, he should feel like one. Pyke's is the probably best example: you are an insane psychopathic killer and every aspect about him feels like it. Especially his ultimate that let's you go in a killing rampage, the same way pyke would probably slaughter a bunch of people in a frenzy in bilgewater. And Malphite isn't a mountain because... well, because his design is literally 11 years old and has never gotten an update ever since. All of the newer champions fit in the lore rather well and most exceptions are champions that existed till season 1, because the lore was entirely different. And I never said the idea of the first person ultimate was a 10 second animation of sorts, I was imagining something like 1.5 seconds of ascending in the skies, then voice line and Aurelion's hands showing on the sides. The player can now do... Idk, cast one of 3 different celestial abilities with different utility purposes? And after 4 to 8 seconds he descends to the same location he has used the ultimate on, which makes him VERY vulnerable to enemies.
My main point stays the same: Aurelion Sol is a far too interesting character to not be pushing his limits more.
riot's biggest mistake on aurelion is changing his W. aurelion designed to Dps not Burst
His kit doesn't justify his lore. He's supposed to be this OP dragon capable of destroying the universe itself. And they gave him a sneeze as an ult.
Moar like a loaded cough
In the video:"how they almost ruined him"
In the title:"how they RUINED him
I mean for some people,still asol players, just a preference
To quote skooch:
Some yasuo player: riot Aurelion came at me in lane
RIOT: nerf his movespeed NOW.
i think this is the best thing ive ever read
"Riot, Aurelion Sol kinda walked at me a little bit fast."
"He did *HUWHAT?"*
Which video was that? I watched it long time ago but id love to watch it again
@@ThePrayable sett video
Since insane growth of this company they have only few interests now:
1)selling skins
2)esports
3)trade and stealing personal data from their users
I couldn't agree more ..
Not really
Fucken true fuck tencent
@@crazycrookerr yeah, they actually made a champ out of a skin, then made her a Tweeter account to make people attach to her
4) Anime girls
The virgin league of legends aurelion sol vs the CHAD legends of runeterra aurelion sol
As a Runeterra player i can confirm xd
LoR ASol is basically:
"Oh is it turn 10 already? Give me your nexus."
Asol in LoR is garbage. He was used for like a week on release and then dropped for tryn/trundle in basically the exact same deck.
@@KeijiMaeda86 tf u talkin about? Asol/Zoe demacia was one of the tier1 decks in high elo before the grand plaza nerfs last month
I rarely play Aurelion sol because it isnt a suptle "i won" after the level up. Getting Aurelion to level-up is just saying: Use (at least) 8 mana or give up now (suck 1 dmg and summon a spider + kill a unit).
Karma in comparison just denies the enemy hard with some comps and if she survived about 3 rounds, you already summoned or cloned her at least twice.
Riot: CREATES A MYSTICAL POWERFUL BIG CELESTIAL OF SPACE DRAGON
Also Riot: *Forgets it*
He just feels less fun, after the changes. Power level irrelevant he's just LESS fun. They went right past minor tuning to mana/dmg and went straight to the garbage with the rework on this guy. Look at how they went about nerfing tahm kench to the ground, it was like 37 minor tuning nerfs over several patches. I think the minor tuning works better.
i really mis the first time tahm kench had come out. that version was true fun
I really hate that pro play still plays tahm in his current state, without stack on Q he just isn't a champ.
Riot would sound like this: *I understand about your issue playing as Aurelion Sol. But don't worry, the pink-haired banshee will be fixed next patch.*
Not gonna like, sometimes I genuinely get angry at how Riot words their patch notes: on the Samira nerf they wrote specifically "even when technically close to balanced, we believe she has several frustrating attributes that contribute to her high ban rate", which basically means that in their opinion Samira was perfectly fine and we were just bitching, but here's the nerf and shame on us for making them nerf Samira. Sorry if I asked you to nerf the 96% pick/ban ADC in competitive because it was genuinely impossible to play against her Riot, my apologies.
@@tehrik0020 that was after they nerfed her
Riot, the type of guy to fix a broken engine with a duct tape.
ò#.-
@@tehrik0020 that's exactly what happened when the entire community " litteraly EVERYONE " for 2 years was asking riot to bring back URF after it's first release ..and some people including myself even asked to make it a permanent mode and not just an event ..after 2 years of yelling at riot everywhere to bring URF back ..rito responded like this : " after two years of many of you has been crying and whining about urf we are bringing it back for 10 days ..and we have no intentions of releasing it Ever again .." end of quote .
And they didn't even bring URF back ..instead they brought the stupid ARURF only to tease us more and force us to hate the URF event .
I feel like Sol's problem has been the synergy between his W and roam. Most roaming champions have good waveclear, but none in history of league had access to such a good waveclear like Sol's W(old). So I kinda understand riot's idea behind the rework, but it clearly failed. Ultimately the only solution to fix him would be one of the two:
1. Remove roaming and turn him into a scalling mage around his stars.
2. Remove waveclear and turn him into a roaming mage. But I don't see this happening with his old W, so reverting will be impossible.
Tbh, I would gladly take the 1st approach, like ye removing the roam would ruin his theme a bit, but in my mind a Space Dragon that created the universe fits so well with being an hyper carry that scales incredibly well.
he cannot be a roaming mage without waveclear. what are you talking about? the whole point of a roaming champion is to insta shove and roam so you can cheat the laning. and that is his iconic thing, he's the best roaming mage in the game aside of TF. we dont need Aurelion to be a scaling burst mage , there are wayy better mages that can fill this role better. his kit is just a mess, and i dont know if riot will take a look at him again
At worse to nerf his waveclear, make his w do reduced damage to minions
so Nunu can have both great roaming in the midlane (LEVEL 2 GANKS FROM MID NUNU ARE AIDS) and waveclear but god forbid Ao Sol be viable lmao what a joke rito games
Or he gets reverted and we stop pretending riot actually wants the game to be balanced lol
What happened? A niche champion made for a niche role excelled at what he was designed to do and that was not ok for Riot
Because he was op for pro play and one tricks
I don't understand dopa's hate on the dragon. That's literally what a OTP is. "this guy has an absurd winrate on one champion but sucks on anything else" yeah that guys is a OTP. there are always OTP's in challenger Like 2 seasons ago there was a singed support OTP in challenger forever that ran smite, with a 60% ish winrate. I don't understand it. why bring out the hate like that on a champion with a 4% pickrate?
Seems like it makes playing TF specifically much harder and dopa plays a LOT of TF. Seems like a personal vendetta because maybe a sol just counters TF lmao
Yea, there are some champs that are designed to change the dynamic of the game. Fiora for instance, when played by a competent and experienced Fiora main, can completely lock down a lane, forcing several opponents to face her, because she is kitted to win 1v1s as the super duelist she is. That's another example of an elo boosting otp choice. Camille otps can also climb above what their overall top perfomance would allow. So even if I've never played A sol I'd be pissed if that actually was the reason for the changes.
No the issue was the design of the champ hes ability to push in waves as quickly as he could caused a situation where Asol didn't have to make a trade off usually a person who clears then roams has to take the risk of at least losing cs asol didn't lose anything so you had a situation where he could out farm out roam any other mid and the one mid who could out roam him he hard counters.
@@rorythompson5410 who is the one who out roams him? It seems to me his kit was pretty specifically built to make him the best roamer in the game.
@@traviswhiting1290 assume hes talking about TF. But the point remains that champs like him and Qiyana are on riots short list of champs that arent really allowed to be strong because them being strong removes certain forms of high level skill expression (in this case the entirety of laning: csing, balancing cds and mana, trading, getting vision, etc.)
When asol was released my friend who was kind of a noob wanted to play asol and learn him.. he got banned for 14 because he inted with Asol
Good
Thats why the game sucks. Unless he inted in ranked then ok.
@@maryp290 Well you have to take into account that you can learn a champ without playing them. It's called vod review/studying. If his friend really cared about learning then he would do this.
@@pittaaaabread there are people who just dont want to watch vods or just can't learn jack shit from watching them so they have to play a champ to actually learn him
Everyone ints with asol for the first few games, it's when you play him enough that you realize that all of his weaknesses and strengths are well defined before the rework.
One of the reason I quit lol and started hating riot the company is the fact that they always wanted to manipulate the game in a way they wanted it to be, but how the player figured out to be. This is just an example of the issues happened throughout the life of lol. Riot is just the CCP in the gaming industry, a centralised and authoritarian entity that care nothing unless the problem would undermine their ability in making money. With lol being one of the largest online multiplayer game and the company's extension into other categories of gaming such as FPS, I fear a new era of computer gaming where the player is no longer the controller of the game they are playing on. But to have their skill level dependent on the willingness of the developer in buffing or nerfing a certain play style, or in this case, champs. If how good you are is not necessarily reflected by the skill but the ability to adopt, this is not gaming, this is evolution. But come on, we are not playing spore.
democratic centralism and ccp are based. sounds like riots goin far
i believe it depend on tencent since they are the one who make decision. All riot can do is give out opinion and people who in charge will decide to do it or not and normally the measurement they used is ...money
@@theskywalker8416 If i remember correctly tencent doesn't have any impact on the game other than economy. I think Tencent-Riot Games relationship is similer to EA-Apex Legends.
@@FransizSefKurbaga exactly, they don't make game, they don't even know about runnng game, all they care is the number which is profit aka money. Look at the profit you make will tell how they are doing which is not wrong butin some case they don't know it is good or bad because its too complex
As a Aurelion Sol main for the past 3 years all i can say is that season 11 is probably the worst one for him, literally every item is bad on him and he's losing to every matchup, in last season he had a really strong meta with electrocute and glp but now Sol is totally useless without any place in league, it's kinda sad to see that good concept with unique mechanics be thrown to the trash can by riot
aurelion is as useless as Xin Zhao?
@@magnuscritikaleak5045 I hope this is irony.
@@magnuscritikaleak5045 Xin is really strong now after "mini rework" with his current W and E
@@7j317 pepelaugh
@@ayrin7863 pepelaugh indeed. Xin Zhao being viable in both top and mid as well and destroying most matchups
Really wish Riot would revert their decision to slow down VGU's too.
I will stick by my decision to say that Galio's VGU is a complete failure.
@@kalebdavis7080 not all opinions are considered right I suppose.
Lol galios is one of the best? His old kit was terrible. I actually can't think of a single thing from his old kit that's better than the new.
@@Arrinity don’t try with the anti-rework players.
@@sauron1414 yea true I don't know why I would bother. At best I get spammed when he comes back to argue, at worst he just ignores it.
Kog'Maw also got a revert. Remember when his w gave him 100% attack speed after the adc class update?
Also let him break the attack speed cap, damn I miss that shit
I remember Cowsep playing it JG because it was that bonkers OP.
And Zac too!
As Kog main, I do. I loved both version, but I fully understand the revert.
Rengar's busted ass Q got a revert bro.
They only reworked him to make him more attractive for other players, no other main wanted a change on his kit back in the days
they also failed in that since his playrate didnt raise in a meaningfull way. this entire rework was a failure
His play rate decreased lmao
No that's wrong. They reworked him to make it easier to balance him (they thought). Old ASOL would always have a low WR due to his hard learning curve but be really really strong. He felt kinda clunky to play before 3 items but was annoying as hell (or nearly impossible) to play against. This meant his WR and playrate were low, but he was frustrating to play against and too strong for competitive.
They reworked him for several reasons, as is always the case with these unique champions. They are way too strong because noone plays them resulting in a low winrate. But because of their strength they have no be nerfed (ASOL, Azir, Ryze, Swain, Diana, Vladimir, Zoe)
Aaaand now he's getting the exact same treatment in Wild Rift.
"Urr Urr, our game's broken rn #BetterNerfSol"
Exactly, right when he finally became useful in patch 2.1a, these fuckers nerf him weeks after, wth
just didnt nerf him, they also nerfed best runes and items on him XD. calling overkill.
i played against sol in rank once this season...that says it all for the poor champion.
Riot almost ruined Asol, has ruined ryze, is runining azir. Battle mages arent really liked by riot
The problem is you cant make azir szronger than he is now (literally 44% wr). If he was any better he would blow up proplay
What do you mean they ruined Ryze?
I actually picked him up recently and I have found him a lot of fun to play. I've played this game for like a year now so, what was this ruination of Ryze?
@@richardvsetecka1519 only thing to do is rework him and slightly change his identity so he fits better in soloq and proplay
@@darkienl5886 but for that you need to change his kit by a lot. Meaning either you give him more dmg early and less scaling (then you also need to lower his q range and increase e cooldown or he's an insane bully in soloq) or you give him back his old range and attack speed and make him a duelist with consistent dmg and shove potential but less roaming potential (higher mana cost on q and higher Cd on E).
Neither of these changes would really get him into a much better spot, because the whole scaling kit with a lot of safety vs ganks and relatively high range makes him so strong for pro play and high elo
i stopped caring after they murdered Aatrox in cold blood. though mechanically he got better... his character and lore paid heavy price
"Even if Needalee is hard to play..."
_Shows Jankos_
Come on man ahahah
*shows one of the worlds best nidalee players getting a double kill on the champion*
@@fillphd the joke was that he said that the champion is hard to play and since he showed Jankos, it's implied that he means Jankos has yet to master the champion.
@@dmitryrodionov2386 it’s like saying basketball is hard then showing Lebron dunking
If there's a thing It's basically useless in his kit is the farming passive. The damage is worst than a AA
Meanwhile A Sol in Wild rift :
I've started playing WR more because he actually feels RIGHT. His damage is rewarding, his trading is rewarding, his roams are rewarding, and he still has clear weaknesses that can be exploited.
The chad cosmic dragon of the infinite cosmos vs the sad space snek
Played wild rift but adc mid lane seems to out range him he has to roam or he loses lane
@@Local_commentor adc mid? What champ
@@ableh7489 lethality jhin? even vayne with knock back
Dude I just want the old Graves back, and considering he's a top tier jungler since his rework, I don't think I'm gonna see a revert.
Old Graves and old Fiora were so much better
Bro it's been yeeeeears
Riot be like : We changed Graves because he was somewhat similar to Lucian. Then they release Yone and Seraphine LOL
cries in ryze
I felt that one. Old fiora ultimate made way more sense
aurelion and taliyah had a lot in common when they were mid. even their subreddit are kinda similar
I stopped playing the game but your videos still excite me!
thanks so much
As a Veigar main and a wild cosmologist, I can tell you that killing the creator of the Universe with a literal chunk of primordial energy which he obviously had to use to create everything is something... beyond.
Maybe someday this will pop into someone recommended section and they will say "woah asol w wasnt a toggle a while ago?" Hopefuly someday
Literally happened to me in urf i was like its a toggle now wtf thats terrible, urf or not
Wasn't it a toggle since forever? This time they just put a cap on how long it's toggled?
@@Geheimnis-c2e nope, it used to consume mana per second
I feel the pain, Sol mains.
"Sad Lissandra noises"
For real I literally forgot that champion exists.
I main ASol, but Liss is my secondary pick. I cry enough for multiple rivers now.
*sad akali noises*
@@justsomerandomdudethatyoud7806 Lmao, you aren't part of this club. Go cry with the other Riot faves that get VIP treatment.
@@komyn27 imagine being mad at him. his champ was also changed and he has a reason to be upset, even if she is viable.
stop gatekeeping
The last time I played Aurelion Sol was in an aram so long ago and I see so little of him that only now did I find out about his W.
This video braught me some solace. As an avid A-Sol main, this was comforting to know that at least a few hundred thousand people know about the desolation riot did to this champ.