That was what I found almost as impressive as the win and time - obviously not to that standard but when I raced (3.40pb) I could finish off a fast to me pace but if got impeded after started kick my form fell apart and have seen that happen loads of times to top athletes but for him to have started kick have to stutter his stride then be able kick again was ultra impressive
...The lead runner in the homestretch drifting, and giving up the inside position [i.e. allowing anyone to sneak inside him] ?!?! / Jakob lost focus: and ran like a neophyte here...
@@MenujaD indeed.. and he did it the olimpics the main stage.. The humble man won this time.. pending future races in a short lived career .. the clock can only give up limited victories! to a select few...be APPRECIATIVE like NASCAR HOCKER..
Guys, something to think about: 3:26.25 is 55.0 per lap (1:50.0 per 800). I cannot emphasize just how big of a psychological barrier this is. Only El G has ever cracked this barrier - not even prime Lagat did.
That's why HEG is the GOAT in the 1500m and Mile. However, I do think Ingebrigsten is the best 1500m to 5000m runner of all time. He is a top 5 runner all-time in every single event from 1500m to two miles, including a Wprld Record in the 2000m and two mile run. He also has 1500m Olympic Gold Medal, a 1500m Diamond League Title, a Mile Run Diamond League Title, a 3000m Diamond League Title, two 5000m World Championship Titles, and a 5000m Olympic Gold Medal. If he wins a 1500m World Championship Title, he will be the first ever to win a 1500m World Championship, a 5000m World Championship, a 1500m Olympic Gold Medal, and a 5000m Olympic Gold Medal.
Jakob ran 3:26,7 with pacer till 1000 (not really sure) and the other guys ran 3:27,high with jakob as a pacer until like 1450 so yeah. Jakob probably in better Fitness for paced races like monaco. I would say he is close to Wr shape
@@kennethwickey3661 No? lets see 2 gold in OL 2 gold and 2 silver in World champs 1 silver in indoor champs 6 euro champs gold 5 gold and 1 silver in euro indoor champs 1 gold and 1 bronce in cross - country (euro) 5 gold and 1 silver in youth champs (euro)
@@jkdure ...yes, admire him- but he would win a lot more 1500s [including probably in Paris] if he would just sit back, as he did in the 5000m, then, at the appropriate time: make his move...
I'm going to be that person and say I'm kind of tired of all the speculation about WR falling with every race. I noticed the commentators at the Olympics stopped talking about WR about 4 days into the T&F events because, guess what, WR don't happen that often. And on a personal note El Guerrouj is my all time favourite athlete and I'm going to be sad the day someone breaks his record. And to answer your question, Jakob will probably win because these kinds of races suit his racing style and current form.
Exciting for sure. The question is whether Hocker is at all consistent at this new top level. His PB was shattered and blown away in Paris. Judging by his development this season and comments in the interview yesterday, his Olympic win is more than a flash in the pan. Regarding Jakob - simply the best, better than all the rest. Regarding Jakob's interviews in Norwegian, he was simply saying that he has himself to blame for the loss. He felt good, went out a tad too strong, and on this eventful day - hit the wall. Why? Same for Femke Bol. Jakob has raised the 1500 to a new level for the current generation. He loves to race and wants to be pushed. Like everyone else, Jakob cares more about winning than fast times. Still, the WR in the 1500 and mile would be legendary.
If Jakob runs even or negative splits, he has a shot at the record! He will also need Hocker, Kerr, etc. right with him. Please watch the world record from 1998 or 1999. Jakob needs to be pushed the entire time.
Anyone who has ever run this distance knows how hard it is. No matter if it is paced or not. I'm tired of the seeming criticism Jacob gets for running fast in paced races as if the other guys in the race aren't also being paced. And as Jacob has pointed out, he has "paced" most of the top runners in the world today to their best times ever. No other racer, not Kerr, not Hocker (if one medal puts him in that conversation)...no one else does that. And yes the great El Guerrouj's world record run was paced by two runners.
@@mumiaali4821 Front running an 800 is incredibly hard. It's also less hard than doing so in the 15. It's fine to say that Rudisha is the greatest or that his 2012 run was the greatest run ever but front running a 3:25.XX is simply harder. You're running more laps without assistance at only a marginally slower pace.
Jakob ran three laps very hard to a avoid the kick of Kerr. When he nudged Kerr outside, Hocker took advantage on the rail. it seemed Ingebrigtsen lost concentration The Americans now have confidence. Ingebrigtsen has no choice but to go out fast. The others have too much kick speed. Cole Hocker will have to win consistently. But given his speed, and gold, I'd call Hocker the favorite.
One difference is in the Olympics they had a Semi final race before the final. This is a one off race. Jakob is used to running these fast races. Whether Cole can keep near him with 100m to go I don't know? I'm from GB so obviously Josh I always want to win who runs against these 2 on 5th September, but still see him finishing 3rd realistically.
I think that Jakob was humble after the "loss" of medals in 1500m. Very impressed by the finish of Josh, and he seams like a nice and humble person. Congrats! Kerr by the way needed to express himself again that" he was not surprised" of the medals. This put him back I think in what some would agree to, and a little childish. All of them great athletes. Wish the best for all :) Regarding world record, sure there must be several that push each other during the rounds and keep up the round times, and the best in the end can make it :) Maybe they could go together and help each other to brake the record, but I don't think that will happen :) I keep a note on Jakob :)
It's going to come down to unpredictable variables, including the fitness of each individual athlete on that day. We all have good and bad days at work.
@@joefromcocamo5863 in any championship for sure, on a world record that’s quiet different story. How many times did Cole went sub 3.30 in his career? Once. Jakob is way more consistent than him, to be able to go under 3.26.00, you need to be running on 3.26 first. Is just logical. Could be Cole a world record contender in 3 years? Perhaps. But in a couple of weeks? The history says no.
Ingebrigtsen finished behind three other guys in a very fast race. The fact that the other 3 guys closed fast was because they had more left in the tank, which tells me they likely could have handled a faster pace. Of the four, which ones have improved the most in the past year?
a researcher did an analyse of Jakobs run in Paris as a "pacer" he used the tem watt as power (same as used in bicycle races) he calculated that the air resistance jakobs faced by running upp front was around 110 watts, by being placed behind a pacer you save 70 - 80% The air resistance are reduced to just over 40 watt. No wonder they get past ingebrigtsen at the end. btw i think it is suspisious when somebody suddently out of the blue gets a 3 sec pb.
Hocker sat on Jakob at 3:27 pace and kicked for the win. Hocker was blocked and in last 100m had to kick again. His last 200m was really disrupted. Maybe it is possible for Hocker to kick for the win at 3:26 pace? What does Jakob have to do to win… run 3:25 or as others have said maybe Jakob should sit for first 800m then second half squeeze so hard that the other guys can’t kick. What do you think?
Jakob needs to be just behind the pace makers and not kill himself, although it will be fast. It then just depends if Cole can keep him near, with 100m to go because his finish is awesome. Also this is a one off race not like the Olympics 3 races.
...Jakob should sit back in the 1500, like he did in Paris in his 5000- over and over and over: he's got nothing left at the end. / Also: how does the man leading in the homestretch let anyone pass him on the inside?!?! Questionable racing and tactics in his Paris 1500 and, for that matter, in all of his recent 1500s. Not running smart. Etc., etc. / One more thing- stay focused: bickering and bantering adds unnecessary pressure, and saps energy / Confidence [which stems from hard work, and talent] = Good / Egotistical bombast is counter-productive and corrosive and = Bad...
Seems like he had a good strategy and ran a great race it just did not work out for him on that day. If he goes out slower it seems like there will be a lot more people still in the race and some that have a faster kick than him.
If Jared could instill the desire to WIN like Jake ...I would put my money on him to attain the better at the end of the day but Jake is hungry for victory and time clock is ticking.. NASCAR HOCKER ...seems to ALWAYS SNEAK in at the tape..to WIN but can he crack 3:26 is the concern a white GOAT...humm
99.999 of runners don't get the pass on the inside after having to studder step. So it was not a gift others could have exploited.
That was what I found almost as impressive as the win and time - obviously not to that standard but when I raced (3.40pb) I could finish off a fast to me pace but if got impeded after started kick my form fell apart and have seen that happen loads of times to top athletes but for him to have started kick have to stutter his stride then be able kick again was ultra impressive
NASCAR HOCKER propelled thru there. puZzling.. 1 percent
AND!!!..on olimpics race day to boot.. really!.. sneak in from the inside to GRAB THE GOLD MEDAL not the tape...
...The lead runner in the homestretch drifting, and giving up the inside position [i.e. allowing anyone to sneak inside him] ?!?! / Jakob lost focus: and ran like a neophyte here...
@@MenujaD indeed.. and he did it the olimpics the main stage.. The humble man won this time.. pending future races in a short lived career .. the clock can only give up limited victories! to a select few...be APPRECIATIVE like NASCAR HOCKER..
Guys, something to think about:
3:26.25 is 55.0 per lap (1:50.0 per 800). I cannot emphasize just how big of a psychological barrier this is. Only El G has ever cracked this barrier - not even prime Lagat did.
You are so right.
That's why HEG is the GOAT in the 1500m and Mile. However, I do think Ingebrigsten is the best 1500m to 5000m runner of all time. He is a top 5 runner all-time in every single event from 1500m to two miles, including a Wprld Record in the 2000m and two mile run. He also has 1500m Olympic Gold Medal, a 1500m Diamond League Title, a Mile Run Diamond League Title, a 3000m Diamond League Title, two 5000m World Championship Titles, and a 5000m Olympic Gold Medal. If he wins a 1500m World Championship Title, he will be the first ever to win a 1500m World Championship, a 5000m World Championship, a 1500m Olympic Gold Medal, and a 5000m Olympic Gold Medal.
Jakob ran 3:26,7 with pacer till 1000 (not really sure) and the other guys ran 3:27,high with jakob as a pacer until like 1450 so yeah. Jakob probably in better Fitness for paced races like monaco. I would say he is close to Wr shape
Jacob is there every time. The others are up and down
Jacob is not there at championships😂
@@kennethwickey3661 No? lets see
2 gold in OL
2 gold and 2 silver in World champs
1 silver in indoor champs
6 euro champs gold
5 gold and 1 silver in euro indoor champs
1 gold and 1 bronce in cross - country (euro)
5 gold and 1 silver in youth champs (euro)
@@kennethwickey3661lol he isnt
@@jkdure ...yes, admire him- but he would win a lot more 1500s [including probably in Paris] if he would just sit back, as he did in the 5000m, then, at the appropriate time: make his move...
@@kennethwickey3661 thats why Jakob has 2 olympic golds and Kerr has 0
I'm going to be that person and say I'm kind of tired of all the speculation about WR falling with every race. I noticed the commentators at the Olympics stopped talking about WR about 4 days into the T&F events because, guess what, WR don't happen that often. And on a personal note El Guerrouj is my all time favourite athlete and I'm going to be sad the day someone breaks his record. And to answer your question, Jakob will probably win because these kinds of races suit his racing style and current form.
I think Jakob be better in champ race running like Hicham did and taking lead around 800m to go and winding pace up rather uysk leading from front
Did wejo get pulled over
Exciting for sure. The question is whether Hocker is at all consistent at this new top level. His PB was shattered and blown away in Paris. Judging by his development this season and comments in the interview yesterday, his Olympic win is more than a flash in the pan. Regarding Jakob - simply the best, better than all the rest. Regarding Jakob's interviews in Norwegian, he was simply saying that he has himself to blame for the loss. He felt good, went out a tad too strong, and on this eventful day - hit the wall. Why? Same for Femke Bol. Jakob has raised the 1500 to a new level for the current generation. He loves to race and wants to be pushed. Like everyone else, Jakob cares more about winning than fast times. Still, the WR in the 1500 and mile would be legendary.
You guys don't have the slightest idea what sub 3:26 is. It'a like discussing whether Lyles or Tobogo will run sub 9:58....
If Jakob runs even or negative splits, he has a shot at the record! He will also need Hocker, Kerr, etc. right with him. Please watch the world record from 1998 or 1999. Jakob needs to be pushed the entire time.
Gault understands. The others don't.
@@charliemiller828 forget about that Jakob thing. Ain’t gonna happen that’s it. Jakob knows it
Anyone who has ever run this distance knows how hard it is. No matter if it is paced or not. I'm tired of the seeming criticism Jacob gets for running fast in paced races as if the other guys in the race aren't also being paced. And as Jacob has pointed out, he has "paced" most of the top runners in the world today to their best times ever. No other racer, not Kerr, not Hocker (if one medal puts him in that conversation)...no one else does that. And yes the great El Guerrouj's world record run was paced by two runners.
David Rudisha was not paced and he di that in the Olympics. He is the greatest
@mumiaali4821 That’s an 800m completely different to a 1500m man think before you comment
@@ccbgaming6994 you are the one that needs to think. Both events have front runners, kickers, and tactics. Don't mistake your ignorance for mine.
@@mumiaali4821 Front running an 800 is incredibly hard. It's also less hard than doing so in the 15. It's fine to say that Rudisha is the greatest or that his 2012 run was the greatest run ever but front running a 3:25.XX is simply harder. You're running more laps without assistance at only a marginally slower pace.
What’s the live schedule for you guys? A scheduled time for the show each time would be awesome!
When all4 has pacers, Jakob will win…
...yes, but: he needs to sit back- and not run like a pacer; then make his move at the appropriate time: as he did in the 5000 in Paris...
@@MenujaDor he can try to run 4 secs faster than the 2:28 he did up front, since science shows you gain 1 sec per 400m you are paced…
Jakob ran three laps very hard to a avoid the kick of Kerr. When he nudged Kerr outside, Hocker took advantage on the rail. it seemed Ingebrigtsen lost concentration The Americans now have confidence. Ingebrigtsen has no choice but to go out fast. The others have too much kick speed. Cole Hocker will have to win consistently. But given his speed, and gold, I'd call Hocker the favorite.
One difference is in the Olympics they had a Semi final race before the final. This is a one off race. Jakob is used to running these fast races. Whether Cole can keep near him with 100m to go I don't know? I'm from GB so obviously Josh I always want to win who runs against these 2 on 5th September, but still see him finishing 3rd realistically.
"One time" Hocker lost like a champ!😂 🇧🇻
I don’t know about Hocker, but Kerr - who does not race more than 2-3 times a season (internationally) is probably on EPO.
I think that Jakob was humble after the "loss" of medals in 1500m. Very impressed by the finish of Josh, and he seams like a nice and humble person. Congrats! Kerr by the way needed to express himself again that" he was not surprised" of the medals. This put him back I think in what some would agree to, and a little childish. All of them great athletes. Wish the best for all :)
Regarding world record, sure there must be several that push each other during the rounds and keep up the round times, and the best in the end can make it :) Maybe they could go together and help each other to brake the record, but I don't think that will happen :) I keep a note on Jakob :)
JAKOB IS DEFINITELY GONNA WIN ALL OF THESE RACES .
Just like you all said before lol
Cole slowed down with that push on Jacob. I think he could’ve run even faster had he gotten that inside lane
It's going to come down to unpredictable variables, including the fitness of each individual athlete on that day. We all have good and bad days at work.
Cole is sky high on confidence right now. Can Jakob run away from him is the question
While Cole is first time went under 3.30, Jakob is doing it consistently. I don’t think Cole is a contender
@@Greyvetiver With a kick like that hard to see how a guy like that could not be a contender.
@@joefromcocamo5863 in any championship for sure, on a world record that’s quiet different story. How many times did Cole went sub 3.30 in his career? Once. Jakob is way more consistent than him, to be able to go under 3.26.00, you need to be running on 3.26 first. Is just logical. Could be Cole a world record contender in 3 years? Perhaps. But in a couple of weeks? The history says no.
Ingebrigtsen finished behind three other guys in a very fast race. The fact that the other 3 guys closed fast was because they had more left in the tank, which tells me they likely could have handled a faster pace. Of the four, which ones have improved the most in the past year?
a researcher did an analyse of Jakobs run in Paris as a "pacer" he used the tem watt as power (same as used in bicycle races)
he calculated that the air resistance jakobs faced by running upp front was around 110 watts, by being placed behind a pacer you save 70 - 80%
The air resistance are reduced to just over 40 watt.
No wonder they get past ingebrigtsen at the end.
btw i think it is suspisious when somebody suddently out of the blue gets a 3 sec pb.
@@jkdureJakob glazer detected
@@mr.stepbro6422 sure- prefer clean ones
@@mr.stepbro6422 its physics lol, do you know what thats is?
@@jkdure How can you be so confident Jakob is clean?
Jakob will beat the rest with at least 20 meter💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Long season. Hope the race isn't a dud.
Hocker sat on Jakob at 3:27 pace and kicked for the win. Hocker was blocked and in last 100m had to kick again. His last 200m was really disrupted. Maybe it is possible for Hocker to kick for the win at 3:26 pace? What does Jakob have to do to win… run 3:25 or as others have said maybe Jakob should sit for first 800m then second half squeeze so hard that the other guys can’t kick. What do you think?
Jakob needs to be just behind the pace makers and not kill himself, although it will be fast. It then just depends if Cole can keep him near, with 100m to go because his finish is awesome. Also this is a one off race not like the Olympics 3 races.
...Jakob should sit back in the 1500, like he did in Paris in his 5000- over and over and over: he's got nothing left at the end. / Also: how does the man leading in the homestretch let anyone pass him on the inside?!?! Questionable racing and tactics in his Paris 1500 and, for that matter, in all of his recent 1500s. Not running smart. Etc., etc. / One more thing- stay focused: bickering and bantering adds unnecessary pressure, and saps energy / Confidence [which stems from hard work, and talent] = Good / Egotistical bombast is counter-productive and corrosive and = Bad...
Seems like he had a good strategy and ran a great race it just did not work out for him on that day. If he goes out slower it seems like there will be a lot more people still in the race and some that have a faster kick than him.
If Jared could instill the desire to WIN like Jake ...I would put my money on him to attain the better at the end of the day but Jake is hungry for victory and time clock is ticking.. NASCAR HOCKER ...seems to ALWAYS SNEAK in at the tape..to WIN but can he crack 3:26 is the concern a white GOAT...humm
What’s the next event these big runners will be at?
Lausanne on thursday