"You've taken that argument to a point where I can't argue against that" I believe it's called losing an argument! haha holy shit that's one of the best quotes yet.
This is what people mean when they say "agree to disagree" or "we both have our opinions". Translation: "I have no rational response, I want to end the conversation. Leave me alone."
Dosh - Not necessarily. It just means he doesn't have a quick rebuttal in his head. And it's not really surprising given where the vegan had taken the argument. The farmer defined humanity as not inflicting pain, which is a fair position, and in response the vegan took the argument to the point at which it's not OK to kill something that wants to live even if no pain is being caused. This is a huge topic to debate and from my point of view a very flimsy statement to make as if it's an objective truth. I'd have liked to be the farmer debating him there as it's an interesting conversation to have, but you need to have thought about it a bit. Not the sort of thing you're going to get much out of cornering someone.
Greyzone So, with all the time you have now, can you provide a carefully thought out and logical response to what justification there is to cause this suffering to animals?
Isaac Wedige He's well researched and well practiced. He does this as a job and has heard every excuse under the sun. As he's receiving questions I like to fire of quick answers to see if Ed responds with the same theme and he often does. We hear the same excuses.
Also, it's always the same arguments. Once you know all the arguments and how or what to respond to those, you can answer anything! You can debate everything! And Ed is very good at it because experience makes a huge difference!
Farmer got cornered and didn't have time to think up an equal response. It's like demanding someone who's just woken up to perform calculus straight out of bed. Farmer's job is to farm; Ed's job is to make the farmer's job miserable.
The best way to start a dialogue is find a common ground to agree on and take it from there. Look closely how Ed uses that technique. With a lot of practice we can all do that on any subject.
the trick is, take a theme, practice debate with someone like 500 times about ONLY this topic, go to the street and record how you destroy someone. Ppl always ask and think same, once you know that, you will be guru of something with proper experience.
@@rtnjo6936 Sooo.. Don't become an expert in anything because you'll just look like a bully? If i know something better than you do and I show your flawed logic, that's because you have logical flaws, not because i tricked you some how. Do better
@@betadecay6503 I can already see the lack of it. I was talking about how to win almost any argument, even if you're not an expert. fine if you have knowledge in some area, but if I study rocket science, and you come up to me on the street with a camera with a lot of micro aggression, then Yes, I will say that this is bad, and if you want to bring a culture of veganism to society, this is not the best move. Have you decided to talk about logic? It is hard to apply when you are asked a question on a topic that you have not even thought about, and you need it, otherwise you will look like an ideot with superficial thinking. When you ask a question you already know roughly what your opponent will respond, because you are already familiar with this topic and probably been asked so 200 people, and they give the same answers, then you already have an advantage, and it's not about pure knowledge, how can you talk about them, if you know what I say, but a manifestation of logic does not protect from provocative questions or exact figures when you just have nothing to say because you do not have the necessary information
"I wish I was as quick in my responses as you are." Yes, an annoying mouthy vegan that has nothing to do but boast about their opinions and believes and pester others about what they should eat and shouldn't, predators kill prey in the wild, it's natural, however humans Farm animals rather than the natural hunt (Unless you're a Hunter #ShoutoutHunters) if Wolves had the same intelligence as us, and the ability to Farm, rather than hunt, and waste energy on something they could spend energy elsewhere on (and produce meat at an industrial level to feed their kind), why wouldn't they also farm? Death is natural, everyone, and everything will eventually die (accept that immortal jellyfish boi) The fact that farmers ONLY speed up that process doesn't make sense that childish entitled people should bitch about it, most farmers take very good care of their animals, the Internet likes to show only the worst parts of farming, how many vegans have ACTUALLY been ON a farm or actually seen HOW it's run. Noone likes to see an animal suffer, if it weren't for farmers there would be no place for certain animals, no vegans are actually going to go out of their way, spend money, time, sweat and blood to make sure these animals have a home, they will shy away and cry "well if I'm not getting paid for this I'm not helping those animals" not to mention all the products that farmers have to buy to keep cows alive during certain seasons of the year they would normally struggle, or even be unable to survive on their own. Next time you decide to pester the people that work their asses off! to produce food for us, ask yourself "Am I able to purchase this mans or womans stock and give them a self sustained home that they can live in" go actually get a job and work on making a sanctuary rather than act like children and stomp your feet and cry in protests to people making a living for themselves.
@@notion7536 that’s a whole lot of words, to say a whole lot of nothing. Animal abuse isn’t okay, it’s not necessary and there’s plenty of other options.
@@notion7536 I couldn’t imagine a conversation with you “AnNoYiNg MoUtHy VeGaNs” 😂 you can’t stfu about some stupid nonsense. Vegans don’t want animals to be killed, abused or used because they feel and suffer just like us. Intelligence doesn’t affect capacity to feel pain. So annoying not being a piece of Sh*t... 🤦🏻♂️
Hey don't worry - being fast to respond isn't necessarily a good trait - if you are discussing with people who think you've 'lost' if you take a pause then they're not worth your time. Taking a pause to think should be the admirable trait
The Roar Within I know right, even after being completely rejected and being harassed and called names and multiple amounts of fuck offs and you's he still manages to continue.
@paxumo If he is a vegan at least practice it,in fact all of you who claim to be vegans shouldn't be on here anyway so your all hypocritical vegans, the technology you use all use animal products in their manufacture.It's more do as I say not as I do.
You could see that guy was a pretty good dude, but he started to spiral when you took it heavily personally and then made one of the most common and absurd human errors: generalization. He felt personally attacked yet Ed had never personally attacked him. He felt Ed thought he was a bad person despite Ed repeatedly and genuinely telling him he doesn't think that he's a bad person. Saying that all vegans thought farmers were bad people. In the end, because of the argumentative approach Ed uses, he was able to at least reach the man. You could see him show respect to him for at least arguing politely, not getting heated, and not getting personal with his points. I think we can all take something from this. If you want to encourage others to go vegan, you have to come from a place of understanding and zero judgement. You have to be stern and to the point, but you can totally do that in a way where you don't belittle someone.
Sometimes, but not necessarily. For some, their faith inspires them to go vegan. Carnism is an insidious ideology, and it is pushed on people of every religion and no religion alike. What makes Ed so great is that he try to plant a seed in the person's mind for whatever direction they are coming from. In this case he's using Biblical arguments because that's what was important to that man. For someone else, he might go from the angle of health, and for another person, the environment. He always tries to show that single word responses against veganims (But bible, but ancestors, but tradition, but protein, but evolution, but survival, etc...) are not sufficient for modern people living in the West.
The Roar Within my thoughts exactly. I was a vegetarian when I was a devout Mormon and the reason I was a vegetarian is because if you actually read scripture it talks about the value of animals lives. You can always tell they don't actually read scripture if they use the Bible as an excuse.
Watch their minds explode when you tell them you know vegans who are religious. That they are vegan because their religion teaches them peace and love.
Silvi Creme Exactly!! Bacon thou was prohibited! If they want to use the bible for an argument to eat flesh(meat also means grains in the Bible) the need to educate themselves on all the rules the bible places on eating flesh. How often was it ok? It wasn't even ok until Noah and because the vegetation was wiped out.
" You are taking it to a point where I am no longer able to argue back." This is such a weird thing for him to say. It is like he is knowingly suffering from cognitive dissonance but he wants to keep the argument in a place that allows him to stay inside his bubble. "Hey man dont go there, that is outside my bubble zone."
It happens because people aren't generally used to having certain things factually broken down in front of them that they were programmed into believing without realizing it. Illusion seems like reality when you've seen through that lense your whole life, until someone starts showing that it can be smudged up and distort your perception.
Their eyes and their faces have the same expression as when my dog would be really worried and confused about something, they know so much and feel so much, how can someone not see the humanity in these beautiful creatures
If you held 2 signs up in front of a cow, one saying 'SLAUGHTERHOUSE THIS WAY' and another saying 'FREEDOM THIS WAY', would the cow have the intelligence to choose ?
@@evilsbrother8247 they can’t read English so no but neither could someone who solely speaks Spanish or French and you wouldn’t hold that against them. They can however feel fear, sadness, grief, and happiness and can sense when someone means them ill intent. This is intelligence not literacy like you’re suggesting and even so a lesser degree of intelligence should never justify the needless harming and slaughtering of a living, breathing, emotionally sentient being
@@kathrynkespert8910 how about these pigs? Do you think they were aware of thier fate? And the remaining pig... did it know whatvwas happening as it just continued to graze while its friend went to heaven? ruclips.net/video/mRuRm8hr2gU/видео.html
they dont have nervous systems developed enough to feel pain at any rate near what an animal can feel, so if you cut them they do feel pain but its just so minor like being biten by a small ant. Where as try putting a needle to a cats paw see if it will just stay there and not react or scream in pain or try to get away.
Themalayaliofthe Kochi also, if you drugged or tortured a person and rendered their nervous system completely useless, is it justified to mutilate and eat them?
@SoggyBreaad It's not my job to disprove it. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. If I said to you I have a unicorn in my backyard is it up for you to disprove it or up to me to prove it? We don't accept ridiculous claims at face value or we'd have to go around "disproving" leprechauns, Santa Claus, unicorns and the Easter Bunny.
People have become so desensitized that they can’t even see the horror these beautiful, sentient animals have to endure, unnecessarily. They see the bloody carnage, and they feel nothing. No feelings, no empathy, no remorse, nothing!!!!
Yup. Exactly, I see a pig and I imagine a plate of bacon...delicious delicious bacon. If you dont want to eat it, dont. But that doesnt make you in any way, shape or form "better" than those who do eat it. You merely get more self righteous about...lol.
@@shadowmancer99 Indeed, the decision is yours and only yours. However, I wonder if you have ever considered learning more about the meat, dairy, eggs and fishing industries. I wonder if educating yourself would make a difference. Most people don’t know about the horrors that are hidden from the public, the huge health hazards that consuming animal products cause, the effects of animal farming has on the planet and what we have learned about the extraordinary benefits of plant based nutrition. No, this is not for sissies, I am a triathlete and also play soccer. Maybe you can be just curious enough to watch the movie “Dominion” to start with. I wish you the best.
@@sciencelad8286 And no there isnt huge health hazards if you eat meat in moderation and exercise. I work out 3 hrs a day, barely ever eat a green thing, and almost 50 and never had even a beginning of a health issue from it. You overstate the issue when the real problem is OVER EATING and lack of movement.
@@shadowmancer99 People will not change their thinking because of facts, their tongues override their thinking and their morals. Murder becomes normalized in order to accommodate their palate. Besides, personal health is only one of the components. A beautiful and loving sentient being must be murdered in a horrific manner, unnecessarily for the taste of its chopped up corpse. The other component is the environment, which is continuously devastated. The downside of the exploitation and killing of animals is gigantic, but the tongue has the final say.
You're doing an incredible job mate we just love your rethoric! Always impressive and inspiring! Please have a look at our episode 4 about veganism in Berlin! We hope you'll enjoy it! We'd love to have your feedback! ;-)
Always much more benefits to that than leaving a sour taste. Really love how Ed has perfected his craft. He's polite, yet confrontational. Direct, yet patient. Educated, yet emotional.
in a debate both parties know what they are going to debate and have the same time to prepare for it. this vegan prick isnt debating he is just harassing this guy out of nowhere in his workplace, bombarding him with stuff that he has rehearsed for several days or weeks.
vegan thinking i didnt know surprising someone that didnt know he was going to get harassed was a craft or being polite, educated and patient. well maybe patient, but not the patient you think, more like patiently stalking this guy
8:36 "I think people see the bad because they want to." Actually, people see the bad because they choose not to be brainwashed into seeing the false goodness
@Nicholas | The difference between being brainwashed and being informed: ruclips.net/video/LQRAfJyEsko/видео.html Edit: Of course you never watched it before responding with a knee-jerk fallacy to defend your bias, and you still haven't watched it, because you can't face the reality of what your actions cause. It can be as simple as acknowledging it and striving to make positive change, but like too many others, you chose to ignore in favour of doubling down. You can do better, and for the sake of those animals and our planet, you should do better. Thank you.
@@Corvid_Moon Lmao! Posting that video proves you are brainwashed because this is all the information you know about. You have been lead to believe that eating plants and not eating animals will save the world, bu you are dead wrong! So many implications and consequences will occur if the world goes vegan, but you have not considered anything outside the walls of vegan ideology to think about it. Research 'regenerative agriculture'. The solution to save the world, human beings, animals, the environment and even plants; is found in our soil. What is the source of the problem? Chemicals! Chemicals in our food (plants and animals) and chemicals in soil! Without good soil, we all die!
@Nicholas | Regenerative Agriculture: ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_agriculture ) > "Some claims made by proponents of regenerative agriculture have been criticized as exaggerated and unsupported by evidence by some members of the scientific community. One of the famous proponents of regenerative agriculture, Allan Savory has claimed in his TED talk that holistic grazing could reduce carbon dioxide levels to pre-industrial levels in a span of 40 years. According to Skeptical science, "it is not possible to increase productivity, increase numbers of cattle and store carbon using any grazing strategy, never-mind Holistic Management [...] Long term studies on the effect of grazing on soil carbon storage have been done before, and the results are not promising.[...] Because of the complex nature of carbon storage in soils, increasing global temperature, risk of desertification and methane emissions from livestock, it is unlikely that Holistic Management, or any management technique, can reverse climate change." According to a 2016 study published by the University of Uppsala, the actual rate at which improved grazing management could contribute to carbon sequestration is seven times lower than the claims made by Savory. The study concludes that holistic management cannot reverse climate change. A study by the Food and Climate Research Network in 2017 has concluded that Savory's claims about carbon sequestration are "unrealistic" and very different from those issued by peer-reviewed studies."< The thing is stranger, is that I used to think like you too. I too once made the claim that vegans were too extreme and uninformed, but that was until I BECAME informed and seen the world for what it really is, what animal agriculture and aquaculture does to the planet (species extinction, habitat destruction, deforestation, oceanic dead zones, both human and non-human animal exploitation, suffering and death, global hunger, zoonotic outbreaks and pandemics, etc.) and how we can reduce our impact as a species. If you care about knowledge and have the ability to learn something without getting offended, then I urge you to pursue the information and follow the evidence to a conclusion, not the other way around. Because until you do that, you'll always be stuck in the mentality of "us v. them" and you'll never understand that what you replied to me with is just a projection of your own cognitive bias, and what you've been conditioned to believe and ignore your whole life. Have a good day :)
no he is not he does too much pointing & waving his hands at people, it is only the camera that saves him, if he did that to most blokes I know he would just get a nice friendly fuck off slap in the face. But he is good with words I'll give him that.
Objectively, I don't think Farmers do give the animals a "lovely" life. There are too many of them to properly care for individually. Profit comes first. The yards are filthy. I have seen sheep collapsed in fields, maggot infested, they have tags punched into their ears, operations done without anaesthetic, torn away from their Mothers, driven around in lorries in fear, they get stuck in barbed wire, and they are often given no shelter (which impacts lamb survival too) and its boring for them, trapped in an empty field, they are inquisitive, intelligent beings.
Druma Simplest reveal is that farmers wouldn't have the animals if they didn't make them money. This shows that they are really looking after the profit and not the animal. They have inadvertently built a relationship with the animal because they know, deep down, what they are doing is wrong and animals are love/innocent.
I think you'll find that animals are meticulously monitored not only by farmers and vets but by government regulatory bodies (at least in the UK). Diseased, over-medicated or mistreated animals would not get in the food chain, simple as, I know this as I used to work for a company that tested for diseases in milk and currently work in the Agricultural industry. Any farmers who were found to have mistreated their animals would be investigated and prosecuted. You cannot tell me that if animals were not farmed on mass for human consumption that we would have the same level of animal welfare regulation in this country. More to the point people with your views never adequately explain what would be done with all the existing animals bread for human consumption if more people became vegan and farms shut down. I am not necessarily against veganism as we live in a free country (thank Christ) but some of your arguments are ill-informed.
I dont make money off my cattle but I still own them they have a happy life so y’all can just fuck off and stop killing my plants they have feelings too they also feel pain 30000 plants are killed a day so please stop killing them😪
I know you hear it all the time, but thank you, Ed. You're so awesome. I hope it never gets old for you to hear this because we appreciate this so much. :) And I just wanted to let you know that I am finally starting to do my own activism, the best I can. I am an artist so I've been thinking about doing some art awareness. Painting cows, sheep, chickens, pigs and turkeys and bees too, to try and open people's eyes with some sort of vegan message. But anyway, yeah. I'm excited to finally do more to help!
I totally agree with you but some people could argue, why do people kill people in broad daylight sometimes? Soz 😬 I agree with you but some people might say that..
Plant Planet Earth exactly I drove down Washington to Cali a while ago and saw farms and cows but searched up the location of slaughterhouses which we couldn’t see from the road... located off the road just further into the hills
At the end of the day, vegans see the world though a completely preverted lens and bring nothing but absurdities to the debate, therefore they have no debate.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 its not complicated or esoteric, you can change your diet and stop hurting animals. They only need semantics because peoples brains cant handle that idea, and still allow themselves to eat their dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets
I can write it out Virtue signal Attack people who aren’t good debaters and make it seem like they represent the majority of the party they argue for Be a pretentious narcissist who decides what everyone needs Disrupt quiet lives just to jack off with your mates over how hard you roasted those idiot carnists I can go on
@Paul Semmens maybe his tactics aren't the most honorable, but most people have zero clues about what and why they eat a certain way. It's mostly based on emotions, taste and texture.
Wow you are amazing talking to people! You’ve been so inspiring and helped me be able to discuss issues in detail, but I’m not quite here yet where I could have these levels of discussions in an environment like that. Thanks for all of your material and doing what you do!
I love the ending of the first interview, he left on a good note. Dig that you kept saying you don't think he is a bad person till he realized you felt that way.
Well that's how it is, I'm under no obligation to abide by your feelings, you're not a bearing on Morality, like he said we have our own personal convictions. You will just have recognize that, live your way and accept it. There's nothing wrong with eating Meat, Human is even fine in a have to Apocalyptic scenario. The biggest part is you don't get to decide what others do.
pyrobotnik As Ed said I don't think they're bad people. They just grew up being taught that killing specific animals (cows, chickens, pigs) is ok whereas killing other animals (dogs, cats) isn't. Dogs and cats and pigs and all other animals are fundamentally the same within. Those farmers could've easily been born and grown up in China, and been taught that it's ok to farm and kill dogs and cats. People only kill some animals and not others because it's what they've been taught to do. And I don't think it's the farmers' fault that that's what they've been taught. However, killing animals is still wrong. So just as it might be hard to convince a farmer in Yulin that it's wrong to murder dogs for no reason, because it's what they've been taught, it's just as hard to try and convince farmers in other parts of the world that it's wrong to murder cows and other animals for no reason. However, Ed is a very good speaker and managed to get through to them, at least a little bit. So I applaud him for that.
argues so well... lol it surely is easy to "argue" with someone that has no clue that he is going to get all out of nowhere harased with a lot of questions that have been rehearsed for days or even weeks by someone that probably has stalked him
@@friskscipio That's all he does is argue,he has no debate in him,he argues and changes the goal posts and lies when he doesn't understand what he is talking about,that is a poor argument and no where near a debate. You need facts and the truth which I,m afraid he does not have.
Ed, you are amazing. They way you communicate is just phenomenal. As I think of getting into activism I'm inspired by your compassion and delivery to these people who really aren't conscious about what they are doing.
How do these fuckers justify the killing of an animal they’ve raised? It’s like saying “I raised my son for 7 years. I patted his head and snuggled him when he was down. But that being said, i now have the right to poke him in the eye with a taser in order to coerce him into the room where he will be slowly and painfully kill’d.” Do they not see the act of betrayal? To love with one hand and hate with the other? It is so obviously wrong I struggle to believe that this is the status quo... outrageous.
It is upsetting, but they justify this because it is what they were taught, and they don't want to feel like bad people. It is insanely cruel and unkind though. These people wouldn't raise puppies or kittens and sentence them to death; they'd be horrified at the thought. It's only because of cultural and religious norms that they are okay with doing this to cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys, goats, and fish.
10:10 "Does an animal have a soul then?" Genesis 1:30 says yes. “And to every wild animal, bird in the air and creature crawling on the earth, *in which there is a living soul* , I am giving as food every kind of green plant.” And that is how it was.”
Chaldean King mine was translated directly from the Hebrew Tanakh, which is the original source. Your KJV is translated from laying and Greek. For Old Testament verses especially, *yours* is the watered down one.
Chaldean King mate, when will you realize that stuff was written by some arabs 2000 years ago who barely even knew anything about science? Break the chains man.
I was thinking, when Ed starts talking with the woman arguing that the animals aren't going to be killed[just then] it's an American slave market in the 1700s; this is just a non-violent stage in the long, drawn-out process of violently exploiting these individuals.
How about you argue with a flat-earth believer that the earth is actually a sphere. I would almost bet money that you would lose the argument as well. But that doesn't mean you're wrong.
According to this absolute legend of a farmer who apparently sings his cows lullabies and wipes the shit from their ass, if I raise my children well I can eat them when they turn 18.
Ah, the "We've been doing it forever" argument. Humans have done a lot of things in the past. I'm glad we've improved and updated ourselves. Thank you Ed for saving animals with every video.
If people are AT ALL concerned about how they are treated, they are recognizing that they have SOME moral value. And if something has moral value, how can it at all be justified to use them as property, as slaves?! When a person is a slave, they have no moral value. It's such a contradiction.
The compensations people employ to manage their cognitive dissonance get increasingly oxymoronic proportional to the degree of cognitive dissonance. Once they start with the absurd responses, you know the amygdala has taken over from the frontal lobe and it's all over.
+ *Eddie Gaddis* A new meater rationale! _heretical Bible, tho'_ In the standard Bible, there are dozens of admonishments from On High or from Prophets that ask that we turn from rapine of God's creatures towards a more benevolent, holistic representation of the will of the benevolent Creator. This is the problem with using a religious text written by primitive cultures who practiced all kinds of behaviors that modern humans find abhorrent as a justification for anything. P.S. A good Christian looks at the New Testament Beatitudes--the only rule book for a true Christian--and sees they can be extrapolated to treatment of animals, and adjusts.
Who's the Moral Tsar?? I missed him when he said whats Moral/Immoral...surely none of you believe you can be anyones Moral Compass... like regular Moral Zoltars.
Ancerid why is it considered a cult to not advocate for the death of animals. What's wrong with you? The meat industry is destroying the environment and slaughtering animals. It's perfectly reasonable to want more people to be vegan... if you are so close-minded that you won't even consider cutting down on meat why are you even on this video?
Ancerid you are so naive. Lions don't breed animals by the billions just to be slaughtered. They kill to survive, we do not. We do not need meat to survive as a species and that is a fact. The meat industry is horrific for the environment, you seriously need to do some research, a quick google search will blow your mind. We breed millions of cows, who all produce about 100kg of methane a year. Methane is twice as bad a greenhouse gas as CO2. Imagine how much gas is being released into the atmosphere just as a result of cattle farming. I assume you know about greenhouse gases and the negative impact they have on the environment? That's not to mention what overgrazing of cattle does to land. Across the whole world cattle farming is turning land into desert, where nothing can be grown again. We are ruining the land because cattle are overgrazing and removing nutrients from topsoil. The meat industry is highly unsustainable. Please please do some research and don't resort to childish insults just because you don't agree with vegans.
@@usernameredacted439 the point is that there is zero proof that any of the hundreds of different religions in our history is anything else but humans trying to make sense of the world with the limited information they had at the time. Instead, stories and information from religious texts keep getting debunked. I found what he said funny, as being religious today require you to turn a blind eye to scientific studies that challenge your beliefs, unless you want to be the kind of Christian who cherry pick whatever information the Bible offer that science has yet to properly explore.
"You've taken the argument to a point where I can't argue against that but I'm still going to ignore everything you've said because I don't really feel like changing my ways and also actually I'm the victim here because you vegans say farmers are bad people"
Baun92 Doe he eat them? If he eat animals we can see how much he loves animals ,I suggest he should apply the same love to you ( apply only if he eats animals and is a vet:)
Literally not a single argument could be deployed by the Carnists to justify their consumption of sentient flesh. Not a single one - apart from the same regurgitated claptrap expounded a million times over. Well done Ed, you were brilliant.
vegans are afraid to fight in a fair ground, thats why they always go for people that dont expect someone to harass them where they live or work or give them any time to put their thoughts in order unlike them that probably rehearsed what they were going to say for days
Eduardo García Rodríguez Ah yes because the people who come up to his stall and have debates with him are so "harassed". You sound like such a snowflake. If you believe in what you are doing you should be able to defend yourself no matter what time of day it is. If I worked in a controversial industry that I believed in for example an abortion clinic, I'd be able to debate with anyone why I worked there at any point. This just shows that the farmers know deep down what they are doing is wrong.
i dont see that sall in this video or in the majority of his videos. you guys are the snowflakes. 1. if you think this is a debate then you are naive. in a debate both parties know what they are going to debate and have the same time to prepare for it. thats why vegans are scared and change what a debate is. thats why they always go for people that are just minding their own business, unlike them they are working and attending their responsibilities. its pretty lame to think this guy is good at debating. its really easy to "win" a debate when only you know what you are going to debate, when, with whom, and you have rehearsed what you were going to say for days. 2. no they dont need to be prepared because its just their job and there is nothing wrong with it. if you want to debate then go and find someone that wants to, again they have responsibilities and dont really care what a bunch of snowflakes with too much free time have to say. 3. this just show how this guy and the vegans that do stuff like this are a bunch of cowards. in their scared minds a fair debate is one in which they have all the time of the world to prepare for it, know what they are going to debate and rehears everything they are going to say, and their highly subjective morality and opinions count as facts. but not the other side. why? because that wouldnt be fair to vegans apparently, the other side dont even have the luxury to know what, when and where they are going to "debate".
Eduardo García Rodríguez you realise that people who debate know what they are debating and have practiced for weeks before hand. Does that suddenly make their points invalid? Eds point are not invalid just because the other person doesn't want to hear them. Why don't you go ahead and debate why it is morally fine to kill a pig but not a dog. Or why our tastebuds are worth more than an animals life? You have all the time in the world to reply. If vegans were so scared of fair debate, ed wouldn't have debated on television in front of millions.
@Paul Semmens nice strawman argument 😉 Apart from that’s not what he’s saying, he simply saying that where there isn’t a need for loss of life of earthlings then there should be measures put in place to prevent them or stopped from happening. Do you think it should be ok if all pet owners (dogs and cats etc) to just kill and eat them if they feel hungry and can’t be arsed to go to the shops where food is readily available? Or you’re just good with all types of animal abuse?
@Paul Semmens haha, oh dear, your first comment (which unless RUclips has glitched for me) you appear to have deleted, but had the same baseless content as this one 😂 Nice trolling 😂 Sound like a disgruntled farmer trying to fight logic with insults 👍👍😆
@Paul Semmens brilliant, you’ve introduced some content for a discussion rather than just insults, of course you couldn’t help slipping some digs in there 😉 Firstly, you keep referring to vegans as a collective, they are a group of people that have different views and approachs. Some will be religious, some not, some will be capitalist, some not. When you tar everyone with the same brush you weaken your position. So the entitled to dictate things comment is an odd one, aren’t laws set by people dictating the actions of individuals every single day. Or do you believe we should live in a lawless society? Once upon a time (although the size of the crime is on another scale) people were once saying the same about slavery. ‘Who are these entitled lefty liberals to try and dictate what we can and can’t do’ Besides the point, personally (and I’m sure other plant based people as well) I’m not actually dictating to anyone that they can’t eat meat, when asked I just point out the reasons we shouldn’t be. Your grandma dig, I’ll ignore as I’ve addressed that in my first response. Veganism is on the rise actually, hence the significant increase in food options available as capitalism will dictate as demand dictates monetary gain 😉 so yes, all is well, things are going in the right direction. Mental states of vegans, another good one 👍 There are “fruit loops” in all walks of life, there are certainly some vegan ones for sure!! What people think of people is irrelevant to whether something is right or wrong though. However, if the current perception from the majority of the public that vegans are fruit loops then obviously there’s some work to do for the vegan movement, thanks for the advice. Interesting you’ve got no arguments against veganism, in summary: - you don’t like to be told what you can and can’t do - you don’t think veganism has any traction - you think vegans are fruit loops In the meantime vegans arguments are based on: - needless cruelty to animals - not contributing to the dangers of human impacted climate change - not endangering human lives by the over use of antibiotics in meat production - not contributing to the further destruction of the natural habitats Probably a couple of other things as well 🤷♂️
@Paul Semmens I bet we agree on most though, for example I think the following things are bad and shouldn’t happen. - murder - rape - child abuse - slavery - dog abuse - dog meat trade Any of those you disagree with?
@Paul Semmens Putting aside your thoughts on my poor line of questioning and potential lack of intelligence and rationality, i want to just stick to the conversational points. (If you’re open minded and interested in conversation, if not fair enough) I don’t think I’ve historically applied the term murder to all animals, just humans to be honest, so I’m not sure on your point? So when I mentioned murder above I was only applying it to humans. I’m pleased we’ve found common ground. How do you also feel about dog fighting or bull fighting? They are activities that people gain money and pleasure from, do you think they are ok?
@@Mr-hq6oxhe's not because every field plowed to grow vegetables and fruits that vegans eat involves killing of every animal that used to live on it, around it, or under it, as well as keeping out every starving animal, young and old so vegans can have food to eat. Again, he's not but ok.
@@orion3706 Again, I’ve read what you said and Ed is still REDUCING unnecessary suffering. If you want me to explain, I can. But I think it’s common sense.
Ed, I love you. The way you speak to people with such grace and insight is truly profound. You are a great leader and educator - and we can’t thank you enough.
Every sentient being has been granted the freedom and the power to reach any height that being has the freedom to reach. When another being (in this case an aggressive ape) comes along and removes that freedom - that has to been seen as a crime against the universal truth.
“No, I think you do think I’m a bad person” Aw that was so sad as well. You can tell at that point he was feeling really bad. I hope he did make a change after his talk with Ed.
Amazing video. I love how Ed engaged them from such a calm and collected demeanor. Well done. Please never stop being the voice of those without one🙏❤️
Great video very powerful. You’re a good man for standing up for these Beautiful God creatures. No they were never meant to be killed in mass for so-called human consumption. These farmers are insane and arrogant.
You are insane and arrogant. They have the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt humans and pet animals. You have the audacity and narcissism to think you can decide what others should enjoy
And meat is good anyway why should they live a normal life if they live as livestock anyway you have hundreds of them in the back yard and you need to have space so you need to kill them in order to survive i don’t eat meat because I hate animals I eat meat because meat is delicious
Animals deserve the right yo live. It's a no brainer. How humans can sleep well at night knowing they're murdering and or contributing to the murderung of animals is an enigma.
@@jrlaboy892 majority third world countries survive on plant foods... Meat is a luxury for them.... Trust me, I live in one Everybody in my country eats rice and dahl all their life...
@David Anewman Deaths in India have got nothing to do with the vegan(rather 'vegan like' ) food Indians eat, it's about the lack of food. There isn't enough food to feed the exploding population..
I'm going through so many of these video right now and I'm delighted at least with how many people Ed talk to find him to be a decent person to talk to even if they part ways disagreeing. I don't know whether I'd be able to stay so calm and friendly if I were to try to do what Ed does. As a new vegan, I hope to have some dialogues with people halfway approaching these.
Being human is a trait. Species tho can be run in "name the trait". For it to be consistent you have to agree that it would be moral if aliens killed us for unnecessary reasons. And that is retarded.
Javier Runco If you used being human as a trait by that logic you can use being black as a trait too. Seeing as most people aren't racist that argument wouldn't work on most people when you point out how else the argument can be applied.
How you stay so composed amazes me! I listen to these farmers views and my heart starts beating so fast with anger don’t know you contain yourself, could watch your videos all day, you’re brilliant!
9:19, I remember being around 7-8 years old, when my parents used that argument to tell me "Jesus ate Fish and Lamb during the Passovers, He ate meat", and as a Christian kid I responded "Well Jesus can eat it if he want's to, but I'm not like Jesus". It took them years to understand the wisdom behind that line. I think a lot of kids know intuitively that it feels wrong, but their told otherwise and indoctrinated to believe it's normative, and a natural way of life. Before I talked myself into going vegan, I reflected on all the thoughts and feelings I had as a child, all the fuss I'd make and tantrums I'd throw as a child over having to pick and eat meat off a chicken bone with resembled a carcass to me rather than a "drumstick", and how I stopped thinking about all that somewhere along the way. That's what made me transition.
@John Benson | Veganism isn't a religion. There IS a religion that compels it's followers to be vegan though, and it's called Jainism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism Now, I'm not a religious person, far from it in fact, but if I had to choose one religion for people to follow, it would be Jainism. I'd rather the world follow a religion that respects life, than one that justifies taking life through what they have been indoctrinated to believe in their bibles. So with all religion aside, what's better: Respecting life enough not to take it for personal gratification, or to take life without any regard whatsoever? The answer should be the former, not the latter.
@John Benson | Here are the definitions: Religion: 1a : the state of a religious [i.e: a nun in her 20th year of religion] b(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance (Source: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion) Veganism: : a strict vegetarian who consumes no food (such as meat, eggs, or dairy products) that comes from animals also : one who abstains from using animal products (such as leather) (Source: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/veganism) OFFICIAL definition by the Vegan Society: www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism Nowhere does it say that non-human animals "are" human animals. That isn't the definition from anywhere by any vegan (nor non-vegan), so your claim is entirely incorrect. The fact that non-human animals are LIKE human animals by way of having brains, nervous systems, emotions and cognition, is backed by hard science, and has been proven to be true time and again. I'm sure you're not going to go so far as to say that science is religion, because that would be incorrect as well. Conclusion: Veganism is not a religion, it is a perfectly valid ideology that is supported by a lot of science and reason. I hope that you can find it within yourself to learn about it more, if for no other reason than to avoid being immediately discredited by someone in the future. Ideally, you would want to consider veganism for your health, our planet, other people, and for the animals that suffer and die: ruclips.net/video/LQRAfJyEsko/видео.html Further reading: www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/why-go-vegan Thank you for your timez :)
@@Corvid_Moon Either you misunderstood me or you deliberately put words in my mouth. I never said vegans believe animals are human beings. I said vegans believe animals are PEOPLE, in the sense that they are individuals entitled to rights as if they were human beings. Vegans claim that animals should receive the exact same moral treatment we apply amongst ourselves, because they see animals as individuals. The fact that animals have "brains" and can "feel pain" has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying. No one has ever denied that, nor is it relevant to this discussion. Vegans believe animals are people, which makes it a religious belief. Veganism is a religion.
Great work Ed as you always come across to people with such calmness and respect but also with compassion and is why people then see that you aren’t hating them,and merely trying to open their eyes to these injustices and help them align their beliefs of loving animals with the convictions of choices they make every time they pick up a fork and knife.You always inspire me in my activism to be half the voice you are whilst doing outreach.
Tofu Tommy you mean try and brainwash them into doing what is unnatural. Our bodies need both meat and veg. The trouble in this world is so many try to firce their opinion on others. Just stick to what you like and have the decency to let others do the same. Do you see meat freaks forcing their opinion on others......never. im a chef by trade and i love it when you freaks come to eat...pmsl you get all the meat you didnt want and tip me for the pleasure. Pain in the arses you lot are.
silly bollocks, that patters pish and who is the "us all" you want me to enlighten? You and all your mad "meat eating freak" mates haha. right so here goes. if you were born yesterday that would make you a one day old child. When someone says "Do you think I was born yesterday they are saying do you think I am ignorant, just like a one day old child is ignorant. by your comment on tommys post you proved you are ignorant on this subject much like you were in fact a child who was born yesterday. I wouldn't have had to explain that to an adult either. There you's all go.
Worse than someone having an opinion on the other side of things for me, is probably when they say something generic like everyone has their own convictions at the end of the day. It is as meaningless as saying something like “we breathe air” or “birds fly”. It’s just a fact and doesn’t tell us anything about what they think or that there’s anything going on in their mind
everyone who eats animal they do know from inside of their heart that its morally not justifiable but they would never agree with you to not to eat those animals
what ethics are you talking about dude. These are words developed in English in reference to everyday behaviour of humans. Not other animals who don't speak the same language as us.
Sam Bryant An animal doesn't have to speak our language for any of us to recognize their right to exist without pain, death, and consumption. You have no right over the consciousness of any animal. That principal (do onto others as you would want done onto you) is a human-based, modern-era ethic/principal that we all relate to. I'm arguing that you can't justify NOT applying that ethic to animals in today's world. Today's world is the key phrase.
Jesse Gandy The human principles you talked about should be applicable to all living beings why only animals. The ethics are all human emotions based. How can you say anything from the animals point of view?
pyrobotnik I never said it wasn't emotion-based. I also admit it's subjective. But you have no facts that justify the killing of animals for consumption/use in today's world. Where's your facts?
"Because I am a Christian", that's why. As I've observed, tolerance to animal cruelty, conservatism, religion (Christianity), and sociopathic tendencies usually go together, and the more a person moves towards far-right and puritanical Christianism, the higher the chance a person becomes sociopathic, narcissistic, and animal cruelty tolerant.
I would love to be able to argue as well as this. You have so much patience and compassion. I wish there were more videos on how we could have constructive and good debates with other people in this manner. Please keep doing what you're doing, Ed.
Omg Ed I give you so much credit! I don't think I could talk to these people (in all your videos) without getting angry. I don't know how you stay so calm. Good for you, man.
"You've taken that argument to a point where I can't argue against that" I believe it's called losing an argument! haha holy shit that's one of the best quotes yet.
Dosh at least he admits it. Most people are too ignorant for that.
I loved that moment too. I liked how Ed kept pushing it for a justification
This is what people mean when they say "agree to disagree" or "we both have our opinions". Translation: "I have no rational response, I want to end the conversation. Leave me alone."
Dosh - Not necessarily. It just means he doesn't have a quick rebuttal in his head. And it's not really surprising given where the vegan had taken the argument. The farmer defined humanity as not inflicting pain, which is a fair position, and in response the vegan took the argument to the point at which it's not OK to kill something that wants to live even if no pain is being caused. This is a huge topic to debate and from my point of view a very flimsy statement to make as if it's an objective truth. I'd have liked to be the farmer debating him there as it's an interesting conversation to have, but you need to have thought about it a bit. Not the sort of thing you're going to get much out of cornering someone.
Greyzone
So, with all the time you have now, can you provide a carefully thought out and logical response to what justification there is to cause this suffering to animals?
how do you just know what to say? it's like a chess game and you have your next move planned out with every remark
Isaac Wedige
He's well researched and well practiced. He does this as a job and has heard every excuse under the sun.
As he's receiving questions I like to fire of quick answers to see if Ed responds with the same theme and he often does.
We hear the same excuses.
Also, it's always the same arguments. Once you know all the arguments and how or what to respond to those, you can answer anything! You can debate everything! And Ed is very good at it because experience makes a huge difference!
This is having a conversation. Harassment is enslaving animals for their entire lives then murdering them.
Farmer got cornered and didn't have time to think up an equal response. It's like demanding someone who's just woken up to perform calculus straight out of bed. Farmer's job is to farm; Ed's job is to make the farmer's job miserable.
Vegan Thinking: Ed harassed the farmer. Period. Don't deflect.
The conversation with the guy in the car was like bullet chess, and Ed compassionately checkmated the guy lol
facts
You see things through such a perverted lens.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 no kidding, that genuinely made me laugh 😂
You should open a class how to argue with ppl. I’d pay for it.
The best way to start a dialogue is find a common ground to agree on and take it from there. Look closely how Ed uses that technique. With a lot of practice we can all do that on any subject.
the trick is, take a theme, practice debate with someone like 500 times about ONLY this topic, go to the street and record how you destroy someone. Ppl always ask and think same, once you know that, you will be guru of something with proper experience.
Yes me too
@@rtnjo6936 Sooo.. Don't become an expert in anything because you'll just look like a bully? If i know something better than you do and I show your flawed logic, that's because you have logical flaws, not because i tricked you some how. Do better
@@betadecay6503 I can already see the lack of it. I was talking about how to win almost any argument, even if you're not an expert. fine if you have knowledge in some area, but if I study rocket science, and you come up to me on the street with a camera with a lot of micro aggression, then Yes, I will say that this is bad, and if you want to bring a culture of veganism to society, this is not the best move. Have you decided to talk about logic? It is hard to apply when you are asked a question on a topic that you have not even thought about, and you need it, otherwise you will look like an ideot with superficial thinking. When you ask a question you already know roughly what your opponent will respond, because you are already familiar with this topic and probably been asked so 200 people, and they give the same answers, then you already have an advantage, and it's not about pure knowledge, how can you talk about them, if you know what I say, but a manifestation of logic does not protect from provocative questions or exact figures when you just have nothing to say because you do not have the necessary information
“It’s proven fact, grass RUINS the ecosystem, so we have to have methane-producing cows to eat it all” ~insecure farmer guy
Turbo Esther this sounds so stupid I can't even 😂. Why oh why.
😂😂
I wish i was as quick in my responses as you are. I hope one day to achieve that. You’re an inspiration Ed ✌️👍🌱
Don't we all!
"I wish I was as quick in my responses as you are."
Yes, an annoying mouthy vegan that has nothing to do but boast about their opinions and believes and pester others about what they should eat and shouldn't, predators kill prey in the wild, it's natural, however humans Farm animals rather than the natural hunt (Unless you're a Hunter #ShoutoutHunters) if Wolves had the same intelligence as us, and the ability to Farm, rather than hunt, and waste energy on something they could spend energy elsewhere on (and produce meat at an industrial level to feed their kind), why wouldn't they also farm? Death is natural, everyone, and everything will eventually die (accept that immortal jellyfish boi)
The fact that farmers ONLY speed up that process doesn't make sense that childish entitled people should bitch about it, most farmers take very good care of their animals, the Internet likes to show only the worst parts of farming, how many vegans have ACTUALLY been ON a farm or actually seen HOW it's run. Noone likes to see an animal suffer, if it weren't for farmers there would be no place for certain animals, no vegans are actually going to go out of their way, spend money, time, sweat and blood to make sure these animals have a home, they will shy away and cry "well if I'm not getting paid for this I'm not helping those animals" not to mention all the products that farmers have to buy to keep cows alive during certain seasons of the year they would normally struggle, or even be unable to survive on their own. Next time you decide to pester the people that work their asses off! to produce food for us, ask yourself "Am I able to purchase this mans or womans stock and give them a self sustained home that they can live in" go actually get a job and work on making a sanctuary rather than act like children and stomp your feet and cry in protests to people making a living for themselves.
@@notion7536 that’s a whole lot of words, to say a whole lot of nothing.
Animal abuse isn’t okay, it’s not necessary and there’s plenty of other options.
@@notion7536 I couldn’t imagine a conversation with you “AnNoYiNg MoUtHy VeGaNs” 😂 you can’t stfu about some stupid nonsense. Vegans don’t want animals to be killed, abused or used because they feel and suffer just like us. Intelligence doesn’t affect capacity to feel pain. So annoying not being a piece of Sh*t... 🤦🏻♂️
Hey don't worry - being fast to respond isn't necessarily a good trait - if you are discussing with people who think you've 'lost' if you take a pause then they're not worth your time. Taking a pause to think should be the admirable trait
Wow man.
Your ability to connect with someone with such opposing views is outstanding.
Much love x
The Roar Within I know right, even after being completely rejected and being harassed and called names and multiple amounts of fuck offs and you's he still manages to continue.
I know, his ability to maintain a positive connection in a controversial debate is just beautiful.
connect with or tell them they are wrong. f*ck him. wh othe hell is he to tell me not to eat meat.
@Send dog pics how do you get that? yes he is........... he is a vegan. thats his whole sctick.
@paxumo If he is a vegan at least practice it,in fact all of you who claim to be vegans shouldn't be on here anyway so your all hypocritical vegans, the technology you use all use animal products in their manufacture.It's more do as I say not as I do.
You could see that guy was a pretty good dude, but he started to spiral when you took it heavily personally and then made one of the most common and absurd human errors: generalization. He felt personally attacked yet Ed had never personally attacked him. He felt Ed thought he was a bad person despite Ed repeatedly and genuinely telling him he doesn't think that he's a bad person. Saying that all vegans thought farmers were bad people. In the end, because of the argumentative approach Ed uses, he was able to at least reach the man. You could see him show respect to him for at least arguing politely, not getting heated, and not getting personal with his points. I think we can all take something from this. If you want to encourage others to go vegan, you have to come from a place of understanding and zero judgement. You have to be stern and to the point, but you can totally do that in a way where you don't belittle someone.
oh man seeing the cow's eyes when they're about to be auctioned and they're in the trucks is so powerful... reminds me why I do what I do
skeerk I know, it is really painful to watch. I was a vegetarian before and I turned vegan recently. These videos keep me motivated
When I see the cow's eyes I only see Hamburgers and Steaks
LPalDPat wow so funny and original
LPalDPat being insensitive and unempathetic isn’t a replacement for a sense of humor ya know
@@SarahDarkhand I'M not Trying to be funny, But it really reminds me of my dinner...
As soon as someone justifies eating meat because of the Bible, it's pretty certain they won't be open minded to anything else.
Sometimes, but not necessarily. For some, their faith inspires them to go vegan. Carnism is an insidious ideology, and it is pushed on people of every religion and no religion alike. What makes Ed so great is that he try to plant a seed in the person's mind for whatever direction they are coming from. In this case he's using Biblical arguments because that's what was important to that man. For someone else, he might go from the angle of health, and for another person, the environment. He always tries to show that single word responses against veganims (But bible, but ancestors, but tradition, but protein, but evolution, but survival, etc...) are not sufficient for modern people living in the West.
The Roar Within my thoughts exactly. I was a vegetarian when I was a devout Mormon and the reason I was a vegetarian is because if you actually read scripture it talks about the value of animals lives. You can always tell they don't actually read scripture if they use the Bible as an excuse.
Watch their minds explode when you tell them you know vegans who are religious. That they are vegan because their religion teaches them peace and love.
I'm vegan and Christian. Mind-blowing, I know.....
Silvi Creme Exactly!! Bacon thou was prohibited! If they want to use the bible for an argument to eat flesh(meat also means grains in the Bible) the need to educate themselves on all the rules the bible places on eating flesh. How often was it ok? It wasn't even ok until Noah and because the vegetation was wiped out.
" You are taking it to a point where I am no longer able to argue back."
This is such a weird thing for him to say. It is like he is knowingly suffering from cognitive dissonance but he wants to keep the argument in a place that allows him to stay inside his bubble. "Hey man dont go there, that is outside my bubble zone."
It happens because people aren't generally used to having certain things factually broken down in front of them that they were programmed into believing without realizing it. Illusion seems like reality when you've seen through that lense your whole life, until someone starts showing that it can be smudged up and distort your perception.
Sounds like religious people lol
Their eyes and their faces have the same expression as when my dog would be really worried and confused about something, they know so much and feel so much, how can someone not see the humanity in these beautiful creatures
If you held 2 signs up in front of a cow, one saying 'SLAUGHTERHOUSE THIS WAY' and another saying 'FREEDOM THIS WAY', would the cow have the intelligence to choose ?
@@evilsbrother8247 they can’t read English so no but neither could someone who solely speaks Spanish or French and you wouldn’t hold that against them. They can however feel fear, sadness, grief, and happiness and can sense when someone means them ill intent. This is intelligence not literacy like you’re suggesting and even so a lesser degree of intelligence should never justify the needless harming and slaughtering of a living, breathing, emotionally sentient being
@@kathrynkespert8910 these cows know what a rifle is for?
ruclips.net/video/7VOYusr7EcA/видео.html
@@kathrynkespert8910 how about these pigs? Do you think they were aware of thier fate? And the remaining pig... did it know whatvwas happening as it just continued to graze while its friend went to heaven?
ruclips.net/video/mRuRm8hr2gU/видео.html
@@kathrynkespert8910 you huminants are so full of crapola.
When people start arguing that "plants have feelings too" to justify eating meat it is a sure sign that they have been backed into a corner.
Plants don't have feelings, but they do feel pain
they dont have nervous systems developed enough to feel pain at any rate near what an animal can feel, so if you cut them they do feel pain but its just so minor like being biten by a small ant. Where as try putting a needle to a cats paw see if it will just stay there and not react or scream in pain or try to get away.
Themalayaliofthe Kochi you aren’t a plant, so you wouldn’t know
Oh wait...
Jason Wright Cmon, ad hominem attacks? That’s fucking pathetic. Prove me wrong.
Themalayaliofthe Kochi also, if you drugged or tortured a person and rendered their nervous system completely useless, is it justified to mutilate and eat them?
A Christian uttering the words: "Prove it."
The irony.
SoggyBreaad its ironic that he tells him to prove it as an argument when nobody can prove the Bible, how can you not see that?😂 i lol’d
@SoggyBreaad It's not my job to disprove it. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. If I said to you I have a unicorn in my backyard is it up for you to disprove it or up to me to prove it? We don't accept ridiculous claims at face value or we'd have to go around "disproving" leprechauns, Santa Claus, unicorns and the Easter Bunny.
@@elinkirkman564 That's the problem. If you can't prove it, why would you believe it.
Baun92 agree but santa is real though, btw
@@elinkirkman564 Oh yeah, agreed on Santa.
People have become so desensitized that they can’t even see the horror these beautiful, sentient animals have to endure, unnecessarily. They see the bloody carnage, and they feel nothing. No feelings, no empathy, no remorse, nothing!!!!
Yup. Exactly, I see a pig and I imagine a plate of bacon...delicious delicious bacon. If you dont want to eat it, dont. But that doesnt make you in any way, shape or form "better" than those who do eat it. You merely get more self righteous about...lol.
@@shadowmancer99
Indeed, the decision is yours and only yours. However, I wonder if you have ever considered learning more about the meat, dairy, eggs and fishing industries. I wonder if educating yourself would make a difference. Most people don’t know about the horrors that are hidden from the public, the huge health hazards that consuming animal products cause, the effects of animal farming has on the planet and what we have learned about the extraordinary benefits of plant based nutrition. No, this is not for sissies, I am a triathlete and also play soccer.
Maybe you can be just curious enough to watch the movie “Dominion” to start with. I wish you the best.
@@sciencelad8286 Oh, I've seen it. And no makes ZERO difference. What i want is meat, and really dont care how it gets there.
@@sciencelad8286 And no there isnt huge health hazards if you eat meat in moderation and exercise. I work out 3 hrs a day, barely ever eat a green thing, and almost 50 and never had even a beginning of a health issue from it. You overstate the issue when the real problem is OVER EATING and lack of movement.
@@shadowmancer99
People will not change their thinking because of facts, their tongues override their thinking and their morals. Murder becomes normalized in order to accommodate their palate.
Besides, personal health is only one of the components. A beautiful and loving sentient being must be murdered in a horrific manner, unnecessarily for the taste of its chopped up corpse. The other component is the environment, which is continuously devastated. The downside of the exploitation and killing of animals is gigantic, but the tongue has the final say.
Wish I could argue as well as you can. 💚
*educate, not argue :)
Practice! Join a local cube, it's easy to get started and the more you do it, the better you will become.
Kindred Spirit you never heard of sophists, havent you?
Argue is a negative action, it's either debate or education.
You're doing an incredible job mate we just love your rethoric! Always impressive and inspiring!
Please have a look at our episode 4 about veganism in Berlin! We hope you'll enjoy it! We'd love to have your feedback! ;-)
Excellent debating Ed. Thanks for showing us how its done. Love the handshake following the first one!
yup, same thought here
Always much more benefits to that than leaving a sour taste.
Really love how Ed has perfected his craft. He's polite, yet confrontational. Direct, yet patient. Educated, yet emotional.
in a debate both parties know what they are going to debate and have the same time to prepare for it. this vegan prick isnt debating he is just harassing this guy out of nowhere in his workplace, bombarding him with stuff that he has rehearsed for several days or weeks.
vegan thinking i didnt know surprising someone that didnt know he was going to get harassed was a craft or being polite, educated and patient. well maybe patient, but not the patient you think, more like patiently stalking this guy
8:36 "I think people see the bad because they want to."
Actually, people see the bad because they choose not to be brainwashed into seeing the false goodness
Vegans are brainwashed though lol
Nicholas
He said.
@Nicholas | The difference between being brainwashed and being informed:
ruclips.net/video/LQRAfJyEsko/видео.html
Edit: Of course you never watched it before responding with a knee-jerk fallacy to defend your bias, and you still haven't watched it, because you can't face the reality of what your actions cause. It can be as simple as acknowledging it and striving to make positive change, but like too many others, you chose to ignore in favour of doubling down. You can do better, and for the sake of those animals and our planet, you should do better.
Thank you.
@@Corvid_Moon Lmao! Posting that video proves you are brainwashed because this is all the information you know about. You have been lead to believe that eating plants and not eating animals will save the world, bu you are dead wrong!
So many implications and consequences will occur if the world goes vegan, but you have not considered anything outside the walls of vegan ideology to think about it.
Research 'regenerative agriculture'. The solution to save the world, human beings, animals, the environment and even plants; is found in our soil.
What is the source of the problem? Chemicals! Chemicals in our food (plants and animals) and chemicals in soil! Without good soil, we all die!
@Nicholas | Regenerative Agriculture:
( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_agriculture )
> "Some claims made by proponents of regenerative agriculture have been
criticized as exaggerated and unsupported by evidence by some members of
the scientific community. One of the famous proponents of regenerative agriculture, Allan
Savory has claimed in his TED talk that holistic grazing could reduce
carbon dioxide levels to pre-industrial levels in a span of 40 years.
According to Skeptical science, "it is not possible to increase productivity, increase numbers of
cattle and store carbon using any grazing strategy, never-mind Holistic
Management [...] Long term studies on the effect of grazing on soil
carbon storage have been done before, and the results are not
promising.[...] Because of the complex nature of carbon storage in
soils, increasing global temperature, risk of desertification and
methane emissions from livestock, it is unlikely that Holistic
Management, or any management technique, can reverse climate change."
According to a 2016 study published by the University of Uppsala,
the actual rate at which improved grazing management could contribute
to carbon sequestration is seven times lower than the claims made by
Savory. The study concludes that holistic management cannot reverse
climate change. A study by the Food and Climate Research Network in 2017 has concluded
that Savory's claims about carbon sequestration are "unrealistic" and
very different from those issued by peer-reviewed studies."<
The thing is stranger, is that I used to think like you too. I too once made the claim that vegans were too extreme and uninformed, but that was until I BECAME informed and seen the world for what it really is, what animal agriculture and aquaculture does to the planet (species extinction, habitat destruction, deforestation, oceanic dead zones, both human and non-human animal exploitation, suffering and death, global hunger, zoonotic outbreaks and pandemics, etc.) and how we can reduce our impact as a species. If you care about knowledge and have the ability to learn something without getting offended, then I urge you to pursue the information and follow the evidence to a conclusion, not the other way around. Because until you do that, you'll always be stuck in the mentality of "us v. them" and you'll never understand that what you replied to me with is just a projection of your own cognitive bias, and what you've been conditioned to believe and ignore your whole life.
Have a good day :)
I love how Ed has become more patient throughout years…
"you're really good at arguing" way to go Ed,
no he is not he does too much pointing & waving his hands at people, it is only the camera that saves him, if he did that to most blokes I know he would just get a nice friendly fuck off slap in the face.
But he is good with words I'll give him that.
Moors Hound he really ain’t though
Nope
It's not hard when you're just telling the truth.
@@bananian He's far from telling the truth. Veganism is a globalist agenda that supports big pharma, which is the antithesis of being natural.
Objectively, I don't think Farmers do give the animals a "lovely" life. There are too many of them to properly care for individually. Profit comes first. The yards are filthy. I have seen sheep collapsed in fields, maggot infested, they have tags punched into their ears, operations done without anaesthetic, torn away from their Mothers, driven around in lorries in fear, they get stuck in barbed wire, and they are often given no shelter (which impacts lamb survival too) and its boring for them, trapped in an empty field, they are inquisitive, intelligent beings.
Druma
Simplest reveal is that farmers wouldn't have the animals if they didn't make them money. This shows that they are really looking after the profit and not the animal. They have inadvertently built a relationship with the animal because they know, deep down, what they are doing is wrong and animals are love/innocent.
I agree with this 100% - there are too many animals to possibly provide care for.
I think you'll find that animals are meticulously monitored not only by farmers and vets but by government regulatory bodies (at least in the UK). Diseased, over-medicated or mistreated animals would not get in the food chain, simple as, I know this as I used to work for a company that tested for diseases in milk and currently work in the Agricultural industry. Any farmers who were found to have mistreated their animals would be investigated and prosecuted. You cannot tell me that if animals were not farmed on mass for human consumption that we would have the same level of animal welfare regulation in this country. More to the point people with your views never adequately explain what would be done with all the existing animals bread for human consumption if more people became vegan and farms shut down. I am not necessarily against veganism as we live in a free country (thank Christ) but some of your arguments are ill-informed.
I dont make money off my cattle but I still own them they have a happy life so y’all can just fuck off and stop killing my plants they have feelings too they also feel pain 30000 plants are killed a day so please stop killing them😪
And how do you know the sheep didn’t die from natural causes? and what is the farmer supposed to do have a funeral for it?😂 I
I know you hear it all the time, but thank you, Ed. You're so awesome. I hope it never gets old for you to hear this because we appreciate this so much. :)
And I just wanted to let you know that I am finally starting to do my own activism, the best I can. I am an artist so I've been thinking about doing some art awareness. Painting cows, sheep, chickens, pigs and turkeys and bees too, to try and open people's eyes with some sort of vegan message. But anyway, yeah. I'm excited to finally do more to help!
Genesis 27.3 God tells Adam to go hunt him some venison
Fuck the vegans wheres the Steak., how about painting a 6 bird Roast with Sprouts Roast Spuds covered with Bacon and pigs in Blankets.
That sounds like a great idea you should do it!
P.S. If slaughter was so "humane", then why hide behind closed walls. Why not show the world what is going on behind fences and walls?
I totally agree with you but some people could argue, why do people kill people in broad daylight sometimes? Soz 😬 I agree with you but some people might say that..
Plant Planet Earth exactly I drove down Washington to Cali a while ago and saw farms and cows but searched up the location of slaughterhouses which we couldn’t see from the road... located off the road just further into the hills
Well if you would like November 27 I'm Slaughtering 3 Hogs, Deer throughout the season, stop in.
Nick E well done alpha hunter. Did you kill them with your bare teeth and hands?
@@nicke1903 go fuck yourself you pathetic human.
"If there's a room and in the room, there's both the God and the devil and a lamb, who would kill the lamb, God or devil?" Nailed it Ed❤
When someone says "at the end of the day" they're trying end the conversation eith the affect that they won, with a grand and unshakable truth
At the end of the day, vegans see the world though a completely preverted lens and bring nothing but absurdities to the debate, therefore they have no debate.
@@evilsdirtylittlesister4299 its not complicated or esoteric, you can change your diet and stop hurting animals. They only need semantics because peoples brains cant handle that idea, and still allow themselves to eat their dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets
The irony Ed.
You engage with farmers but you're the one planting the seeds ;)
Vegan Thinking quote of the year 👏🏻👏🏻
Thats a good one. But in the end he is not killing innocents.
Us farmers are better hunters and cattlemen than farmers
And your a pussy
Youre like a vegan encyclopedia 💚💪
Make The Connection haha! I like to call him the vegan ninja!
I can write it out
Virtue signal
Attack people who aren’t good debaters and make it seem like they represent the majority of the party they argue for
Be a pretentious narcissist who decides what everyone needs
Disrupt quiet lives just to jack off with your mates over how hard you roasted those idiot carnists
I can go on
Ryan Williams ah yes the ninja. The ruthless, morally bankrupt mercenaries people were ashamed to mention
@Paul Semmens maybe his tactics aren't the most honorable, but most people have zero clues about what and why they eat a certain way. It's mostly based on emotions, taste and texture.
And THAT, ladies and gentleman, is what a Goddamn vegan rockstar looks like. Thanks Ed.
N he look like a dickhead
😂😂 Fucking idiots
This is how the world works everything must be balanced
tonialcarrier I hate vegans they are not welcome in my house
Gugun Haokip How is industrial farming balanced you fucking idiot
I was thinking of a big juicy steak while watching this
Vegan Rockstar.... Ed is a Vegan God lol!!
Your ability to argue is sooo beyond human level!
Wow you are amazing talking to people! You’ve been so inspiring and helped me be able to discuss issues in detail, but I’m not quite here yet where I could have these levels of discussions in an environment like that. Thanks for all of your material and doing what you do!
I love the ending of the first interview, he left on a good note. Dig that you kept saying you don't think he is a bad person till he realized you felt that way.
Absolutely brilliant work, Ed. Intelligent, rational, and logical as always.
thank you so much man
Earthling Ed Cerebral narcissist...
Ermm no. No real arguments that can easily be countered.
Intellectualism destroys the spirit. Ed is spiritually bankrupt, frantically searching for purpose beyond his own life..into animal lives. Weird.
When a creationist says "prove it".... OH MAAA GAAADDD!!!
That was a moment. Defensive debating clutching at straws.
lmao
When an atheist is sure there's no God.... OH MAAA GAADDD!!! See how that works
Im not an atheist..
Planet of the Vegans When your attempt to counter a joke that actually makes sense fails miserably.
I''m literally writing things he says down, he's so quick and smart. I wish i could debate like him. Bless you Ed, thanks for doing so much.
Man b like: I can't argue.
I'm like: Umm, then u agree.
whenever someone is faced with an argument they can't answer: well you have your opinion and i have mine
When the person arguing against you refuses to debate in good faith: "Well, you have your opinion and I have mine."
Well that's how it is, I'm under no obligation to abide by your feelings, you're not a bearing on Morality, like he said we have our own personal convictions. You will just have recognize that, live your way and accept it. There's nothing wrong with eating Meat, Human is even fine in a have to Apocalyptic scenario. The biggest part is you don't get to decide what others do.
Only Ed argues so well that he can convince farmers to even consider that their actions are wrong
pyrobotnik As Ed said I don't think they're bad people. They just grew up being taught that killing specific animals (cows, chickens, pigs) is ok whereas killing other animals (dogs, cats) isn't. Dogs and cats and pigs and all other animals are fundamentally the same within. Those farmers could've easily been born and grown up in China, and been taught that it's ok to farm and kill dogs and cats. People only kill some animals and not others because it's what they've been taught to do. And I don't think it's the farmers' fault that that's what they've been taught. However, killing animals is still wrong. So just as it might be hard to convince a farmer in Yulin that it's wrong to murder dogs for no reason, because it's what they've been taught, it's just as hard to try and convince farmers in other parts of the world that it's wrong to murder cows and other animals for no reason. However, Ed is a very good speaker and managed to get through to them, at least a little bit. So I applaud him for that.
subjective tho
argues so well... lol it surely is easy to "argue" with someone that has no clue that he is going to get all out of nowhere harased with a lot of questions that have been rehearsed for days or even weeks by someone that probably has stalked him
@@friskscipio That's all he does is argue,he has no debate in him,he argues and changes the goal posts and lies when he doesn't understand what he is talking about,that is a poor argument and no where near a debate. You need facts and the truth which I,m afraid he does not have.
@@normanmurray3659 if it's such a poor arguememt, knock it down then instead of just saying empty words
Ed, you are amazing. They way you communicate is just phenomenal. As I think of getting into activism I'm inspired by your compassion and delivery to these people who really aren't conscious about what they are doing.
How do these fuckers justify the killing of an animal they’ve raised? It’s like saying “I raised my son for 7 years. I patted his head and snuggled him when he was down. But that being said, i now have the right to poke him in the eye with a taser in order to coerce him into the room where he will be slowly and painfully kill’d.” Do they not see the act of betrayal? To love with one hand and hate with the other? It is so obviously wrong I struggle to believe that this is the status quo... outrageous.
It is upsetting, but they justify this because it is what they were taught, and they don't want to feel like bad people. It is insanely cruel and unkind though. These people wouldn't raise puppies or kittens and sentence them to death; they'd be horrified at the thought. It's only because of cultural and religious norms that they are okay with doing this to cows, chickens, pigs, turkeys, goats, and fish.
10:10 "Does an animal have a soul then?"
Genesis 1:30 says yes.
“And to every wild animal, bird in the air and creature crawling on the earth, *in which there is a living soul* , I am giving as food every kind of green plant.” And that is how it was.”
Chaldean King mine was translated directly from the Hebrew Tanakh, which is the original source. Your KJV is translated from laying and Greek. For Old Testament verses especially, *yours* is the watered down one.
Chaldean King the Hebrew Bible uses the word, “nephesh” which refers to beings with a spirit
Chaldean King mate, when will you realize that stuff was written by some arabs 2000 years ago who barely even knew anything about science? Break the chains man.
Not only does is support animals having a soul but that we as “creatures” roaming the earth should eat green plants! Hahaha God supports veganism! 🌱😜
Opening scene literally feels like a concentration camp with the fog and infrastructure
Brotein Braj
It's not far from it. Wish others would draw the same similarities
Brotein Braj and at 12:38 . Exactly like that i see it too.
I was thinking, when Ed starts talking with the woman arguing that the animals aren't going to be killed[just then] it's an American slave market in the 1700s; this is just a non-violent stage in the long, drawn-out process of violently exploiting these individuals.
I was thinking the exact same thing
well its analogous.
products were made from concentration camp victims, including ceramic and also fertiliser I believe
Sad to think most of the cows in this video are likely dead already or soon to be. 😔
BDP welcome to the food chain
And they were delicious
My burger was really good
I know it’s horrible....
holls I was literally just thinking that 😢😭
Gosh you’re making these people think hard and they don’t like it. Great video
lol
Err no.
"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you."
No, he's frustrating Men by arguing with them like a woman.
Carnivore Life Ooh so women are strong enough to debate men now? And win?
That first guy was completely defeated hahaha he had absolutely no argument 😂
How about you argue with a flat-earth believer that the earth is actually a sphere. I would almost bet money that you would lose the argument as well. But that doesn't mean you're wrong.
Douwe van der Meer lol why do you think I would lose that argument 😂
Maybe because unlike ed he has a real job and a life..better things to do etc
According to this absolute legend of a farmer who apparently sings his cows lullabies and wipes the shit from their ass, if I raise my children well I can eat them when they turn 18.
Ah, the "We've been doing it forever" argument. Humans have done a lot of things in the past. I'm glad we've improved and updated ourselves. Thank you Ed for saving animals with every video.
If people are AT ALL concerned about how they are treated, they are recognizing that they have SOME moral value. And if something has moral value, how can it at all be justified to use them as property, as slaves?! When a person is a slave, they have no moral value. It's such a contradiction.
The compensations people employ to manage their cognitive dissonance get increasingly oxymoronic proportional to the degree of cognitive dissonance. Once they start with the absurd responses, you know the amygdala has taken over from the frontal lobe and it's all over.
Genesis 27.3 God tells Adam to go hunt him some venison
+ *Eddie Gaddis* A new meater rationale! _heretical Bible, tho'_ In the standard Bible, there are dozens of admonishments from On High or from Prophets that ask that we turn from rapine of God's creatures towards a more benevolent, holistic representation of the will of the benevolent Creator. This is the problem with using a religious text written by primitive cultures who practiced all kinds of behaviors that modern humans find abhorrent as a justification for anything. P.S. A good Christian looks at the New Testament Beatitudes--the only rule book for a true Christian--and sees they can be extrapolated to treatment of animals, and adjusts.
Who's the Moral Tsar?? I missed him when he said whats Moral/Immoral...surely none of you believe you can be anyones Moral Compass... like regular Moral Zoltars.
If every vegan fought for animals with the same passion as you the world would be vegan in no time
No it wouldn't you tool. Because most of the world have brains.
Why do you want a all vegan world? Wtf is your problem? Are you a cult or something? Fuck off you ant force us to be vegan.
Ancerid why is it considered a cult to not advocate for the death of animals. What's wrong with you?
The meat industry is destroying the environment and slaughtering animals. It's perfectly reasonable to want more people to be vegan... if you are so close-minded that you won't even consider cutting down on meat why are you even on this video?
reddog 00 it's not destroying the environment you dumb fuck, does lions killing Giselles hurt the environment? No so don't be dumb.
Ancerid you are so naive. Lions don't breed animals by the billions just to be slaughtered. They kill to survive, we do not. We do not need meat to survive as a species and that is a fact.
The meat industry is horrific for the environment, you seriously need to do some research, a quick google search will blow your mind. We breed millions of cows, who all produce about 100kg of methane a year. Methane is twice as bad a greenhouse gas as CO2. Imagine how much gas is being released into the atmosphere just as a result of cattle farming. I assume you know about greenhouse gases and the negative impact they have on the environment?
That's not to mention what overgrazing of cattle does to land. Across the whole world cattle farming is turning land into desert, where nothing can be grown again. We are ruining the land because cattle are overgrazing and removing nutrients from topsoil. The meat industry is highly unsustainable. Please please do some research and don't resort to childish insults just because you don't agree with vegans.
"Prove it"
... said the grown man who need no evidence to believe in a magical all-powerful entity
it's a much harder task to prove any other source for the existence of this universe.
@@usernameredacted439 the point is that there is zero proof that any of the hundreds of different religions in our history is anything else but humans trying to make sense of the world with the limited information they had at the time.
Instead, stories and information from religious texts keep getting debunked. I found what he said funny, as being religious today require you to turn a blind eye to scientific studies that challenge your beliefs, unless you want to be the kind of Christian who cherry pick whatever information the Bible offer that science has yet to properly explore.
@@usernameredacted439 that fallacy you just used is called god of the gaps
@@usernameredacted439 "i don't understand how this happened therefore god"
"You've taken the argument to a point where I can't argue against that but I'm still going to ignore everything you've said because I don't really feel like changing my ways and also actually I'm the victim here because you vegans say farmers are bad people"
"I love animals. My son is a vet."
I love animals too, right next to the peas & gravy.
@@00007jjj Nope no joke, & yes I am disgusting & deplorable.
BBQ sauce chicken bacon & cheese tonight, yummy!
@@00007jjj yea yea but that's how I'm living son!
Peace..
Baun92 Doe he eat them? If he eat animals we can see how much he loves animals ,I suggest he should apply the same love to you ( apply only if he eats animals and is a vet:)
@@ricardos312 Check & check, thanks!
Have a nice day.
Literally not a single argument could be deployed by the Carnists to justify their consumption of sentient flesh. Not a single one - apart from the same regurgitated claptrap expounded a million times over.
Well done Ed, you were brilliant.
Verbally kicking an innocent farmer while he's working is the level of courtesy I expect from vegans.
vegans are afraid to fight in a fair ground, thats why they always go for people that dont expect someone to harass them where they live or work or give them any time to put their thoughts in order unlike them that probably rehearsed what they were going to say for days
Eduardo García Rodríguez Ah yes because the people who come up to his stall and have debates with him are so "harassed". You sound like such a snowflake. If you believe in what you are doing you should be able to defend yourself no matter what time of day it is. If I worked in a controversial industry that I believed in for example an abortion clinic, I'd be able to debate with anyone why I worked there at any point.
This just shows that the farmers know deep down what they are doing is wrong.
i dont see that sall in this video or in the majority of his videos. you guys are the snowflakes.
1. if you think this is a debate then you are naive. in a debate both parties know what they are going to debate and have the same time to prepare for it. thats why vegans are scared and change what a debate is. thats why they always go for people that are just minding their own business, unlike them they are working and attending their responsibilities. its pretty lame to think this guy is good at debating. its really easy to "win" a debate when only you know what you are going to debate, when, with whom, and you have rehearsed what you were going to say for days.
2. no they dont need to be prepared because its just their job and there is nothing wrong with it. if you want to debate then go and find someone that wants to, again they have responsibilities and dont really care what a bunch of snowflakes with too much free time have to say.
3. this just show how this guy and the vegans that do stuff like this are a bunch of cowards. in their scared minds a fair debate is one in which they have all the time of the world to prepare for it, know what they are going to debate and rehears everything they are going to say, and their highly subjective morality and opinions count as facts.
but not the other side. why? because that wouldnt be fair to vegans apparently, the other side dont even have the luxury to know what, when and where they are going to "debate".
Eduardo García Rodríguez you realise that people who debate know what they are debating and have practiced for weeks before hand. Does that suddenly make their points invalid? Eds point are not invalid just because the other person doesn't want to hear them.
Why don't you go ahead and debate why it is morally fine to kill a pig but not a dog. Or why our tastebuds are worth more than an animals life? You have all the time in the world to reply.
If vegans were so scared of fair debate, ed wouldn't have debated on television in front of millions.
Just finished watching Joey's video.
And now I see this is uploaded.
It must be my lucky day.
Joey who?
natureasintended From Friends.
Kidding.
Joey Carbstrong... thank me later ;)
Haha, I already knew, and wanted the farmers to know as well! :P
natureasintended These two are the greatest.
I agree! :)
Completely smashing these conversations, such a brilliant method of engagement
@Paul Semmens nice strawman argument 😉
Apart from that’s not what he’s saying, he simply saying that where there isn’t a need for loss of life of earthlings then there should be measures put in place to prevent them or stopped from happening.
Do you think it should be ok if all pet owners (dogs and cats etc) to just kill and eat them if they feel hungry and can’t be arsed to go to the shops where food is readily available?
Or you’re just good with all types of animal abuse?
@Paul Semmens haha, oh dear, your first comment (which unless RUclips has glitched for me) you appear to have deleted, but had the same baseless content as this one 😂
Nice trolling 😂
Sound like a disgruntled farmer trying to fight logic with insults 👍👍😆
@Paul Semmens brilliant, you’ve introduced some content for a discussion rather than just insults, of course you couldn’t help slipping some digs in there 😉
Firstly, you keep referring to vegans as a collective, they are a group of people that have different views and approachs. Some will be religious, some not, some will be capitalist, some not. When you tar everyone with the same brush you weaken your position.
So the entitled to dictate things comment is an odd one, aren’t laws set by people dictating the actions of individuals every single day. Or do you believe we should live in a lawless society?
Once upon a time (although the size of the crime is on another scale) people were once saying the same about slavery. ‘Who are these entitled lefty liberals to try and dictate what we can and can’t do’
Besides the point, personally (and I’m sure other plant based people as well) I’m not actually dictating to anyone that they can’t eat meat, when asked I just point out the reasons we shouldn’t be.
Your grandma dig, I’ll ignore as I’ve addressed that in my first response.
Veganism is on the rise actually, hence the significant increase in food options available as capitalism will dictate as demand dictates monetary gain 😉 so yes, all is well, things are going in the right direction.
Mental states of vegans, another good one 👍
There are “fruit loops” in all walks of life, there are certainly some vegan ones for sure!! What people think of people is irrelevant to whether something is right or wrong though. However, if the current perception from the majority of the public that vegans are fruit loops then obviously there’s some work to do for the vegan movement, thanks for the advice.
Interesting you’ve got no arguments against veganism, in summary:
- you don’t like to be told what you can and can’t do
- you don’t think veganism has any traction
- you think vegans are fruit loops
In the meantime vegans arguments are based on:
- needless cruelty to animals
- not contributing to the dangers of human impacted climate change
- not endangering human lives by the over use of antibiotics in meat production
- not contributing to the further destruction of the natural habitats
Probably a couple of other things as well 🤷♂️
@Paul Semmens I bet we agree on most though, for example I think the following things are bad and shouldn’t happen.
- murder
- rape
- child abuse
- slavery
- dog abuse
- dog meat trade
Any of those you disagree with?
@Paul Semmens Putting aside your thoughts on my poor line of questioning and potential lack of intelligence and rationality, i want to just stick to the conversational points. (If you’re open minded and interested in conversation, if not fair enough)
I don’t think I’ve historically applied the term murder to all animals, just humans to be honest, so I’m not sure on your point? So when I mentioned murder above I was only applying it to humans.
I’m pleased we’ve found common ground.
How do you also feel about dog fighting or bull fighting? They are activities that people gain money and pleasure from, do you think they are ok?
Thanks for helping reducing unnecessary suffering. It’s inspiring!
He's not, but ok.
@@orion3706 He is, but ok.
@@Mr-hq6oxhe's not because every field plowed to grow vegetables and fruits that vegans eat involves killing of every animal that used to live on it, around it, or under it, as well as keeping out every starving animal, young and old so vegans can have food to eat. Again, he's not but ok.
@@orion3706 Again, I’ve read what you said and Ed is still REDUCING unnecessary suffering. If you want me to explain, I can. But I think it’s common sense.
Ed, I love you. The way you speak to people with such grace and insight is truly profound. You are a great leader and educator - and we can’t thank you enough.
Facts and logic destroys carnist nonsense every time
facts and logic destroys vegans nonsense everytime
pyrobotnik , it all depends on what, if any, is the nonsense being put forward, my friend.
pyrobotnik , friend, dear friend, don't reject my friendship.....after all we've been through together! ;)
pyrobotnik , yes, undoubtedly
"Carnist nonsense" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *inhale* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Every sentient being has been granted the freedom and the power to reach any height that being has the freedom to reach. When another being (in this case an aggressive ape) comes along and removes that freedom - that has to been seen as a crime against the universal truth.
"That's why we are here. We hate to see SOMEONE being killed." This literally brings tears to my eyes. 😪😪😪
Exactly. Would you save a drowning person or animal?
@@JohnDoe-ji5wg both actually
@@sunsundks3891 This herring is redder than the scarlet a on your sister's forehead
“No, I think you do think I’m a bad person”
Aw that was so sad as well. You can tell at that point he was feeling really bad. I hope he did make a change after his talk with Ed.
Yeah, so admirable. Giving simple folk moral crises because they were willing to be polite
@@JohnDoe-ji5wg Rather giving him an Opportunity to change his unjustifiably cruel ways. And doing it in a compassionate non bashing way.
@@JohnDoe-ji5wg If he truly didn't see it as a morally unethical choice to eat meat then he wouldn't be having a moral crisis.
it's projection. the farmer feels guilty, and since Ed is the one causing him to reflect, he places the blame on Ed instead of himself.
Who cares about animals they end up dying anyway
I am a christian and i got so embarrassed by this last man... It's awful and imoral to use God to justificate eating and exploring animals.
Yeah Religion doesn't play a roll in my Diet, it won't matter either way for or against.
Put these guys in their place my brother
Genesis 27.3 God tells Adam to go hunt him some venison
Errr no. Get real. Veganism will never win n your arguments mostly fall on deaf ears...
yeah these vegans are annoying af
You're doing amazingly! I hear your voice every time my husband doesn't understand why I do it...
Amazing video. I love how Ed engaged them from such a calm and collected demeanor. Well done. Please never stop being the voice of those without one🙏❤️
Poor Animals trapped in them lorries on route to their Slaughter/death! 😢💔
Good on you Ed 💯
Cows are so beautiful
IThinkItsForYou to macdonalds maybe.
Hung upside down bleeding out they are.
Especially with some salt and pepper on and maybe some herbs
They are even more beautiful as a steak
Rap Machines kinky
I wish you could talk to my parents. Then maybe they would change their minds
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Share documentaries with them. It helps people think they come to the conclusion themselves.
"You're very good at arguing, but seriously". Ed, what is the most outlandish thing you've been told?
As if he was there to argue and not debate
He should have said "you're right, but seriously"
There is no greater intellectual copout than the 'everyone's got an opinion, you've got yours and I've got mine, that's that.'
Great video very powerful.
You’re a good man for standing up for these Beautiful God creatures.
No they were never meant to be killed in mass for so-called human consumption.
These farmers are insane and arrogant.
You are insane and arrogant. They have the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt humans and pet animals. You have the audacity and narcissism to think you can decide what others should enjoy
And meat is good anyway why should they live a normal life if they live as livestock anyway you have hundreds of them in the back yard and you need to have space so you need to kill them in order to survive i don’t eat meat because I hate animals I eat meat because meat is delicious
Don’t ask a stupid question saying that I eat dog not every meat eater eats dog but cultures and other people do
You're a Badass, Ed. Much Love.
Massive respect Ed, we should all take a leaf out of your book.
Argue/debating are two very different things. Your skill to keep it as a debate is awesome and inspiring.
Joe Rainey
They are different things but a debate will at least have 2 arguments.
Arguing is different to bickering.
LOL LOL LOL.
Animals deserve the right yo live. It's a no brainer. How humans can sleep well at night knowing they're murdering and or contributing to the murderung of animals is an enigma.
when that guy said "female cows are gonna get cock" or something like that i felt sick to my stomach
Truly love you Ed.. Becoming vegan changed me forever
6:05 "Yeah, you''re very good at arguing..." at least he was right at some point in the conversation
No this guy isn’t. If you disagree, prove me wrong. I’m all ears
Unlike your kind
@@JohnDoe-ji5wg lol. The irony. Claiming youd be open top the arguments of the other side and insulting them in the se breath
Poor innocent animals... breaks my heart. 💔 There is no argument against veganism, you just end up sounding stupid.
You stopped go to a 3rd world country n tell them to stop eating meat. They would starve to death
Southy ??why she's right #facts
@@jrlaboy892 majority third world countries survive on plant foods... Meat is a luxury for them....
Trust me, I live in one
Everybody in my country eats rice and dahl all their life...
@David Anewman Deaths in India have got nothing to do with the vegan(rather 'vegan like' ) food Indians eat, it's about the lack of food.
There isn't enough food to feed the exploding population..
Meat is good
I'm going through so many of these video right now and I'm delighted at least with how many people Ed talk to find him to be a decent person to talk to even if they part ways disagreeing. I don't know whether I'd be able to stay so calm and friendly if I were to try to do what Ed does. As a new vegan, I hope to have some dialogues with people halfway approaching these.
His temperament is truly admirable and the fact he passionately repeats that he doesn't think the man is a bad person brought a tear to my eye.
ask them to name the trait.
Way too complex
Better to refer to peter singers version of the argument
Asking for a moral justification is enough. They didn't have one.
Being human is a trait. Species tho can be run in "name the trait". For it to be consistent you have to agree that it would be moral if aliens killed us for unnecessary reasons. And that is retarded.
Javier Runco If you used being human as a trait by that logic you can use being black as a trait too. Seeing as most people aren't racist that argument wouldn't work on most people when you point out how else the argument can be applied.
How you stay so composed amazes me! I listen to these farmers views and my heart starts beating so fast with anger don’t know you contain yourself, could watch your videos all day, you’re brilliant!
Congrats, you just destroyed your credibility for no reason other than to simp for Ed
The animals sound so distressed. Why why why can't we just STOP this madness
They are mooing like they are supposed too
Money/profit tho...
Because meat is delicious
because it tastes soooo good!
@@escipionanderson8750 Such an original comment.
9:19, I remember being around 7-8 years old, when my parents used that argument to tell me "Jesus ate Fish and Lamb during the Passovers, He ate meat", and as a Christian kid I responded "Well Jesus can eat it if he want's to, but I'm not like Jesus". It took them years to understand the wisdom behind that line. I think a lot of kids know intuitively that it feels wrong, but their told otherwise and indoctrinated to believe it's normative, and a natural way of life. Before I talked myself into going vegan, I reflected on all the thoughts and feelings I had as a child, all the fuss I'd make and tantrums I'd throw as a child over having to pick and eat meat off a chicken bone with resembled a carcass to me rather than a "drumstick", and how I stopped thinking about all that somewhere along the way. That's what made me transition.
So you went from Christian to vegan. You changed one religion for another.
@John Benson | Veganism isn't a religion. There IS a religion that compels it's followers to be vegan though, and it's called Jainism: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism
Now, I'm not a religious person, far from it in fact, but if I had to choose one religion for people to follow, it would be Jainism. I'd rather the world follow a religion that respects life, than one that justifies taking life through what they have been indoctrinated to believe in their bibles.
So with all religion aside, what's better: Respecting life enough not to take it for personal gratification, or to take life without any regard whatsoever? The answer should be the former, not the latter.
@@Corvid_Moon Veganism is the belief that animals are "people" just like us. It's a religion.
@John Benson | Here are the definitions:
Religion:
1a : the state of a religious [i.e: a nun in her 20th year of religion] b(1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance (Source: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion)
Veganism:
: a strict vegetarian who consumes no food (such as meat, eggs, or dairy products) that comes from animals also : one who abstains from using animal products (such as leather)
(Source: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/veganism)
OFFICIAL definition by the Vegan Society: www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism
Nowhere does it say that non-human animals "are" human animals. That isn't the definition from anywhere by any vegan (nor non-vegan), so your claim is entirely incorrect.
The fact that non-human animals are LIKE human animals by way of having brains, nervous systems, emotions and cognition, is backed by hard science, and has been proven to be true time and again. I'm sure you're not going to go so far as to say that science is religion, because that would be incorrect as well.
Conclusion: Veganism is not a religion, it is a perfectly valid ideology that is supported by a lot of science and reason. I hope that you can find it within yourself to learn about it more, if for no other reason than to avoid being immediately discredited by someone in the future. Ideally, you would want to consider veganism for your health, our planet, other people, and for the animals that suffer and die: ruclips.net/video/LQRAfJyEsko/видео.html
Further reading: www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/why-go-vegan
Thank you for your timez :)
@@Corvid_Moon Either you misunderstood me or you deliberately put words in my mouth. I never said vegans believe animals are human beings. I said vegans believe animals are PEOPLE, in the sense that they are individuals entitled to rights as if they were human beings. Vegans claim that animals should receive the exact same moral treatment we apply amongst ourselves, because they see animals as individuals.
The fact that animals have "brains" and can "feel pain" has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm saying. No one has ever denied that, nor is it relevant to this discussion.
Vegans believe animals are people, which makes it a religious belief. Veganism is a religion.
"The animals will not be able to survive without our intervention". Pretty sure the Earth would do just fine without Humans.
Unga bunga human evil likes plz?
But then we would all die
"prove it" .... bit rich coming from a christian
I agree and I'm a follower of Christ, but the same can be said about Atheists.
@@BurntFossil No it can't
@@henryphilippeaux3566 Cool story bro.
@@BurntFossil you what else is a cool story?🙊🙃
X Mess a fictional story 😌
Great work Ed as you always come across to people with such calmness and respect but also with compassion and is why people then see that you aren’t hating them,and merely trying to open their eyes to these injustices and help them align their beliefs of loving animals with the convictions of choices they make every time they pick up a fork and knife.You always inspire me in my activism to be half the voice you are whilst doing outreach.
Tofu Tommy you mean try and brainwash them into doing what is unnatural. Our bodies need both meat and veg. The trouble in this world is so many try to firce their opinion on others. Just stick to what you like and have the decency to let others do the same. Do you see meat freaks forcing their opinion on others......never. im a chef by trade and i love it when you freaks come to eat...pmsl you get all the meat you didnt want and tip me for the pleasure. Pain in the arses you lot are.
Born yesterday. fitting name for a child like yourself
Chris Odonnell child? Come on silly bollox enlighten us all as to how you get child?
silly bollocks, that patters pish
and who is the "us all" you want me to enlighten? You and all your mad "meat eating freak" mates haha.
right so here goes.
if you were born yesterday that would make you a one day old child.
When someone says "Do you think I was born yesterday they are saying do you think I am ignorant, just like a one day old child is ignorant.
by your comment on tommys post you proved you are ignorant on this subject much like you were in fact a child who was born yesterday.
I wouldn't have had to explain that to an adult either.
There you's all go.
ichew gum lol that it? Fuck me at least try at the trolling. Pathetic effort.
"I'm here on business" - spoke volumes about the corruption of the animal industry.
Worse than someone having an opinion on the other side of things for me, is probably when they say something generic like everyone has their own convictions at the end of the day. It is as meaningless as saying something like “we breathe air” or “birds fly”. It’s just a fact and doesn’t tell us anything about what they think or that there’s anything going on in their mind
everyone who eats animal they do know from inside of their heart that its morally not justifiable but they would never agree with you to not to eat those animals
Great job Ed as usual, awesome arguing skills!
its easy to "argue" when you have rehearsed everything you were going to say for days and the other guy doesnt know he is going to be in a "debate"
Great job as always Ed. You really are outstanding at this. Looking forward to hopefully see you in Sweden next year.
Meat-eaters will lose the ethical argument every single time.
pyrobotnik I know. And I'm arguing within the context of our present-day set of morals. This isn't ancient Rome, Caligula.
what ethics are you talking about dude. These are words developed in English in reference to everyday behaviour of humans. Not other animals who don't speak the same language as us.
Sam Bryant An animal doesn't have to speak our language for any of us to recognize their right to exist without pain, death, and consumption. You have no right over the consciousness of any animal. That principal (do onto others as you would want done onto you) is a human-based, modern-era ethic/principal that we all relate to. I'm arguing that you can't justify NOT applying that ethic to animals in today's world. Today's world is the key phrase.
Jesse Gandy
The human principles you talked about should be applicable to all living beings why only animals. The ethics are all human emotions based. How can you say anything from the animals point of view?
pyrobotnik I never said it wasn't emotion-based. I also admit it's subjective. But you have no facts that justify the killing of animals for consumption/use in today's world. Where's your facts?
I can't believe there are police or whatever they are to stop the activist and not what is happening behind those walls. It's absurd
"Because I am a Christian", that's why. As I've observed, tolerance to animal cruelty, conservatism, religion (Christianity), and sociopathic tendencies usually go together, and the more a person moves towards far-right and puritanical Christianism, the higher the chance a person becomes sociopathic, narcissistic, and animal cruelty tolerant.
Great conversations here. Definitely some seeds planted 👍 thank you for doing all that you do for the animals
I don't know how you do it Ed. Some tough people in this video. Keep up the great work... we can only hope that some seeds are planted regardless.
Just discovered you. Been a vegetarian for 40 years, I'm 57. Absolutely love your views and the way you express them
Animals are good for food
I want bacon on my plate 🤤🤤🤤
I would love to be able to argue as well as this. You have so much patience and compassion. I wish there were more videos on how we could have constructive and good debates with other people in this manner. Please keep doing what you're doing, Ed.
Omg Ed I give you so much credit! I don't think I could talk to these people (in all your videos) without getting angry. I don't know how you stay so calm. Good for you, man.