14.11 Support Tier List/Meta Analysis - (First Strike, Dawncore, Helia, etc) League of Legends

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  • Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024

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  • @AlessailaSC
    @AlessailaSC 4 месяца назад +19

    hell yeah. some actual in depth support analysis of the recent changes!

  • @detenebris
    @detenebris 4 месяца назад +3

    thank you man frfr didn’t even realize i was subbed on twitch to you. love your stuff

  • @martinmendezhennink3857
    @martinmendezhennink3857 4 месяца назад +3

    Great in depth video! I was wondering if you could elaborate on Zilean? I am a Zilean main in plat and I feel a bit odd with item changes nerfing my past build. Hard to find good zilean players that are active to get insight from. Any bit of elaboration would be greatly appreciated!

  • @edophoenix92
    @edophoenix92 4 месяца назад +4

    I picked up Seraphine a couple patches ago so the First Strike changes have been an absolute win for me.

  • @ariathgames6068
    @ariathgames6068 4 месяца назад +3

    Seeing yuumi in d makes me happy

    • @MattHatter360
      @MattHatter360 3 месяца назад

      True I love it when that abomination is unplayable

  • @happy73robot
    @happy73robot 4 месяца назад +2

    subscribed, these are the type of videos I love watching. Hoping you post meta analysis every patch

  • @vuongle7303
    @vuongle7303 4 месяца назад +3

    yo there is thsi new tech where supp is rushing warmogs on tank bc it got recently buffed i think this makes tanks op

    • @Russiansism
      @Russiansism 4 месяца назад

      IMO HP without resistances is not a great investment unless you're playing someone like Leona who can get Armor/MR from her W. With how prevalent Crit builds are right now I feel like ADC's don't have much trouble chewing through that extra health, and Warmog's is much more expensive than something like Zeke's or Locket.

    • @grant5122
      @grant5122 4 месяца назад

      @@Russiansism Yeah 1000 HP might look good on paper but at 3100 gold you could have a Locket/Zeke's/Knights Vow plus components for another item. Only Tahm Kench or Skarner could benefit from Warmogs but at that point you would prefer to just get Heartsteel if you want HP scaling.

  • @juvan6744
    @juvan6744 4 месяца назад +1

    Great video
    Thoughts on Leona??

  • @tom-ul1zh
    @tom-ul1zh 3 месяца назад +1

    Galio support isn't good at all ?

    • @minicastle9944
      @minicastle9944 3 месяца назад

      it is and idk why people dont put him in...

  • @ManusGerber
    @ManusGerber 4 месяца назад

    Zyra is still S tier! and she counters Pyke pretty hard

  • @sourcandy5512
    @sourcandy5512 3 месяца назад

    Putting zyra lower than lulu is a nice joke

  • @Omegateck16
    @Omegateck16 4 месяца назад +1

    No galio support still.

  • @Russiansism
    @Russiansism 4 месяца назад

    Small note but at like 5:00 the slide says Braum/Taric can't get abused by double ranged, but the VO says they are vulnerable to it.

    • @ShoDesu
      @ShoDesu  4 месяца назад +1

      Whoops, thanks for pointing that out. It should say "CAN* get abused by double range"

  • @HollowR1130
    @HollowR1130 4 месяца назад

    I can guarantee you that playing Karma with first strike is INSANE.
    I've been playing Karma full ap with First Strike, cashback and Treasure Hunter. It is a slow build BUT if you perform decently you should be ahead anyways, imo is extremely forgiving and easy to pilot, plus the performance mid to late game is insane, early game is fine but it's definitely the worst part of the tech.
    Proc as much first strike as you can and rush Dark Seal/Malignance + pick ZakZak, go for Sorcerers and followed by Horizon Focus, at this point you have INSANE damage, you can literally R + Q a carry and deal like 50% of their HP, tanks are obviously your demise but everything else just melts, at some point if you had good Dark Seal stacks go for Mejai's if you deemed it safe, otherwise Liandrys or Deathcap, and try to keep 1 slot for pink wards, extremely important.
    I know it's a very ambitious build because there's no supportive power in it but i think because of how forgiving it is it makes up for it, plus even if you don't have support items you can give fat shields of 500 or something. I guarantee you the damage is just mind boggling, makes no sense whatsoever.

  • @footballcrafters
    @footballcrafters 3 месяца назад

    Great video! Keep on going

  • @tobisupersmart
    @tobisupersmart 4 месяца назад

    For us airhead Lux sup mains: Shield max with Aery and Helia first item, bubbles sup item. thank me later!

  • @tyrantedtv7767
    @tyrantedtv7767 4 месяца назад

    from trying it out myself, symbiotic boots feel absolutly terrible on thresh, it takes forever to max it out compared to pyke because ur creeping across the map with 360 movement speed for ATLEAST 10 minutes if you dont die at all

  • @Fine_Mouche
    @Fine_Mouche 2 месяца назад

    but 4 times 132 to140 > 1*300

  • @yvessbiggestfan1073
    @yvessbiggestfan1073 3 месяца назад

    seraphine is also crazy for the fact that she’s insanely versatile with items/runes

  • @xZeroHeroes
    @xZeroHeroes 4 месяца назад

    Jack of all trades is kind of a mouth full. I wonder if theres a convenient acronym to help cut down on time loss 🤔

  • @Bombreviverepeat
    @Bombreviverepeat 4 месяца назад

    Whats with MF Support and Burn items into Armorshred with First Strike ?

  • @imagrations3231
    @imagrations3231 4 месяца назад

    can u give some feedback on how to play skarner support? do you just play him both as poke and engage?

  • @thecrystalblue23
    @thecrystalblue23 4 месяца назад

    Braum Video plz

  • @bobronsons5780
    @bobronsons5780 4 месяца назад

    Shaco will forever be my Supp pick

  • @fanaria2469
    @fanaria2469 3 месяца назад +2

    i refuse to believe naut is 2 tiers below blitz...

  • @cmonijustneedaname
    @cmonijustneedaname 4 месяца назад

    REALLY? No Ivern again?!?

  • @nguynnguyn181
    @nguynnguyn181 3 месяца назад

    does echo of helia work on buff support?

  • @emranao
    @emranao 4 месяца назад

    You are soooo right at 7:12 how is he so flexible?!

  • @KyXnline
    @KyXnline 4 месяца назад

    Fiddlesticks is so good w/ first strike

  • @dakotacahoon3935
    @dakotacahoon3935 4 месяца назад

    What do u like to use on lux sup? What would u recommend

  • @Mipso96
    @Mipso96 4 месяца назад

    woah Sera S tier! might try playing her 🫢

  • @legoshi7350
    @legoshi7350 4 месяца назад +1

    Helia is also good with Taric

  • @emranao
    @emranao 4 месяца назад

    is Mandate or Helia better now for a champ like Nami? Do these two items replace each other.

    • @flexrumblecrunch9140
      @flexrumblecrunch9140 4 месяца назад +1

      In my opinion, Nami uses Imperial Mandate too well to pass up. Echoes/Moonstone are good 2nd items on her

  • @skripd
    @skripd 4 месяца назад

    Read it and weep

  • @kristinl.7063
    @kristinl.7063 4 месяца назад

    Thank you for this! The explanations helped a lot

  • @marcolevano9736
    @marcolevano9736 4 месяца назад

    this vids 😌
    thanks

  • @banjo132bernymac6
    @banjo132bernymac6 4 месяца назад

    Great guide as always! Where can I find the nami build you was talking about?

    • @ShoDesu
      @ShoDesu  4 месяца назад +1

      ruclips.net/video/SKKlvGL7-ko/видео.html

  • @metalgauntlet3731
    @metalgauntlet3731 4 месяца назад

    Just started the vid but where's Hwie?

  • @emranao
    @emranao 4 месяца назад

    Helia first for Janna, then what do we build? Do i get Dawncore for her? Is that item worth it now? Or is it worth it on Sera??

    • @skeletal8429
      @skeletal8429 4 месяца назад

      i think sho's personal build for helias janna is helias and then moonstone but that was a few patches back. he doesnt build dawncore on her as far as i know

    • @VexTheEmoYordle
      @VexTheEmoYordle 3 месяца назад

      I play Janna with Zak'zak or dream maker supp item, imperial mandate and go helias second item, i take boots of swiftness and shurelya, you could take dark seal to transform it into mejai if you are good in your game, if its not the case sell it and take as last item vigilant wardstone for survivability and wards or dawncore as you have 475% mana regen with the items mentionned so 8% heal and shield power and 40 AP from the passive.(i'm trash at math so uhh.. figure it yourself if i'm wrong) My runes are:
      *Arcane comet* *Domination*
      Manaflow band Eyeball collection(can also take zombie ward or ghost poro, depends on elo)
      Celerity Relentless hunter
      Gathering storm
      Rune stats: +9 adaptive force, +2% movespeed, +65 health
      (Could also play glacial augment for utility, the build would be: Magical footwear, biscuit delivery and approach velocity, the rest stays the same, aery is cool too but i'm not sure about it, i enjoy arcane comet more.
      I am platinum so i may say some mistakes, i took time to pull that out i had to test things out to be sure so be gratefull >:c also may be kinda outdated haha.. still think its good tho even if its a little bit old. )

  • @eksnay
    @eksnay 3 месяца назад

    why does it still say patch 14.10 in the client

  • @vampieee
    @vampieee 4 месяца назад

    WOO! sho video 🥰💗

  • @Arctan95
    @Arctan95 4 месяца назад

    The JOAT posts again.

    • @ShoDesu
      @ShoDesu  4 месяца назад

      specifically typed that all out so we dont normalize JOAT 🤒

  • @nuxbot919
    @nuxbot919 3 месяца назад

    teemo supp is XD tiers

  • @dofuskingdom1423
    @dofuskingdom1423 4 месяца назад

    Where is swain

    • @ShoDesu
      @ShoDesu  4 месяца назад

      F, he is way too resource heavy to be a good support.

    • @ElektronicEscalation
      @ElektronicEscalation 4 месяца назад

      Hey @ShoDesu do you think the same about Teemo support? I feel like he should be non-ironically included

    • @dofuskingdom1423
      @dofuskingdom1423 4 месяца назад

      @@ShoDesu i don't think so he has very strong dominance in lane with his kit, and people don't know that u should go out of his ult or else he just 1v3

  • @davidh1500
    @davidh1500 4 месяца назад

    where did riot say they wanted mages weak?

    • @ShoDesu
      @ShoDesu  4 месяца назад

      It was in one of Phreak's patch run downs

  • @Danaani
    @Danaani 4 месяца назад

    the worse mage supports are, the better

  • @Omegateck16
    @Omegateck16 4 месяца назад +9

    I'm not gona lie i dont know where your getting the fact that helia is broken now..its numbers were adjusted and its better but it used to be literally the worst support item. The buffs aren't big enough.

    • @ivanka7105
      @ivanka7105 4 месяца назад +1

      Just check high elo supports, most enchanters go helia

    • @Omegateck16
      @Omegateck16 4 месяца назад

      @@ivanka7105 just because it's popular doesn't mean its good..just look at pro players. They build incorrectly all the time.

    • @ShoDesu
      @ShoDesu  4 месяца назад +14

      I have tested it myself every time it has been adjusted and this is the patch where it is op. There is no other support item that will do as much healing/damage as helia for a first item.

    • @jinnybeats
      @jinnybeats 4 месяца назад +1

      How is skarner and pantheon considered a support but not galio?

    • @avexiety
      @avexiety 4 месяца назад

      ​@@Omegateck16 so u think u know better than high elo supports? what do incompetent pro players have anything to do with meta builds??