S65 AMG Owner Drives An S63 | Is It The Better Car?
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- While my S65 is being wrapped I had this S63 AMG for the day thanks to LW Automotive. There are a few differences between the two cars and we go over them in todays video, which one is the better option? The V8 Biturbo or V12 Biturbo?
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Few notes -
Suspension is actually entirely different, your S65 has "MBC" which is essentially the ABC hydraulic system augmented with cameras and the curve-tilt feature. That system uses hydraulics and coils, is technically more advanced. The S63 uses Aromatic +, air springs and adaptive dampers. The trick feature of ABC/MBC is its ability to keep the car completely flat in corners, which some might argue hurts feedback during aggressive driving. Also should have a nicer ride, more plush and isolated.
The 7 speed MCT is still a planetary gearbox, not really a "dual clutch" gearbox like something you might find in a Porsche or Ferrari. It's essentially an automatic with a multiple wet clutch setup in place of a torque converter...basically the same as the S65's gearbox but with a different coupling. Should allow for faster, sharper shifting and some have actually complained that it's not soft enough for a luxury car...but many seem to like it.
The reason 4Matic didn't work with the V12 was due to the fact that there literally just isn't room for the front diff and driveshaft in the V12 cars, and in fact I believe the driveshafts pass through the oilpan on the S63. Seems they have finally figured it out in the S680 Maybach but they have also dialed back the torque to accommodate the system. At least pre-facelift, the 65 is definitely the faster car, although to 60 it's about even due to the AWD.
I believe trap speeds in the quarter mile for an M157 S63 should be ~117mph or something like that, S65 should be more like 122-123mph. The facelift changes that, S63 is pretty much faster all around, although AMG people have said privately still that the V12 is the faster car as you approach top speed, as it still does have superior power and torque at the end of the day. S65 tends to feel slower than it is because the car is managing torque so heavily, if I recall the ECU doesn't allow full torque until 4th or even 5th gear.
Would choose the V12 every time simply because of the V12, and I do think the ride with the hydraulic suspension really is like few other cars out there. Not as sharp, not as quick at lower speeds...but that's not why you buy it. There's nothing like an S65.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Damn. You worked for Mercedes ?
Mahn I enjoyed reading this!! Thanks for the further info 😊
This was wildly impressive
@@amg2fast626 No, although perhaps I should…just an extreme AMG enthusiast for many years.
@@x.A.v.E. Most welcome!
🏁It’s very simple if you want the faster car get the S63 if you want the slower more rare car get the S65 … Ive had both you can’t lose either way 😎🛠
💯 Sounds about right to me …question is how do u like that Bentley Continental GT you also own?
@@apunitedDepends if your gonna play Halo or Uncharted! 😂 😉
@@apunited 😂ps5
Good to see someone with videos as proof, hell yeah man I’m trying to get an s63 brabus that’s tuned up, rn just got the cls550 but want something sportier 👀
@@cannonsharp8620 is cls550 tuned or stock currently?
So now... again, thanks to you, I purchased a 2020 Mercedes Benz AMG GT 63 and I love it! The interior alone let's you know what type of vehicle you are in and reminds you of the luxury and power that's under you! Again...thank you Mike!!! Imma faithful follower bro! Keep it up!!!
The S65 has the wow factor but the S63 is ultimately a superior vehicle in basically every way.
Until the m157 decides to grind itself apart, leak oil into the engine wire harness, leak coolant from all the plastic turbo coolant lines, rocker arm bearings failing & should I go on? The V12 in the S65 will be faultless well after the v8 needs major repairs at 80k.
@doggedlydetermined, you’re lying, you must fancy the S63 because your comment insinuates that you dont even own a C200 let alone an S350
It has the wow factor in terms of sharing the engine with the Pagani huayra
@@user-gg6ub9xl6e it doesn’t share an engine with Pagani, Pagani shares an engine with the Benz!!!
@@WRCWRX with an extended warranty who cares. Or just get one with the 4.0 V8…
I would still pick the S65 for the exact same reason, the exoticness. It literally shared a similar engine to the Pagani Huyara at one time (the generation before yours)
Probably the only thing shared with the Pagani was the block.
And that same block was bored out anyways to get the 7 litre engine.
Not to rain on your parade, just that I always found that a weird brag 🤔
@@gaara4667 Its not a brag, its a diss for Pagani. Imagine being a car company who's passion is cars, yet you do not make your own engines.
That's like the soul of the car, Ferrari V12 is trademark, merc engine on super car 🤮
@@DuBstep115that’s a very ignorant way of thinking. And so misinformed of how the automotive industry works.
R & D for engines is a long and very expensive process which is reason Toyota teamed up with BMW for the MK5 Supra or Aston Martin team up with Mercedes for their 4L V8 or recently Range Rover with BMWs for their 4.4L TT V8. Heck I can go as far to say FCA brand tossing the same V8s in Dodges, Jeeps and Chryslers. I can even go with similar price Pagani price range like Koenigsegg who started out with Ford engines before they started making their own V8(and basically everything else in-house).
Just because they get their V12s from Mercedes doesn’t mean that you can discredit the incredible machinery they made. At least they are open about it unlike some brands and their customers don’t even care.
The cars looks good, sound good and performs great. 🤝
@@gaara4667 BMW and Toyota are not super car manufacturers that make like 40 cars a year for 3 million a pop
You gotta go for a spin in the 18+ 63!! Night and day difference from the pre-refresh, way more aggressive especially in Sport+ and Race modes
Correct. So much Better in every aspect.
It’s not that much better
I agree. I’ve owned anywhere from an 07 s65 had a 15 s63 and now own an 18 s63. Big big difference in power delivery etc in s63.
Mike... thank you man! I wanna tell you, you've inspired me not once or twice but a few times in my vehicle choices as well and I bought a benzo years ago when you 1st started and you had your 2nd or 3rd car, the c63 and I bought one. A few years later I traded that for a CTS-V coupe! A 2015 model, as Cadillac doesn't make coupes anymore in the CTS-V lineup
Soon this will be 3 cylinder 10 turbos and 4 electric motor
It won’t be anything because Mercedes cancelled this car for the new AMG SL😂
😂😂😂😂
Ill be happy with even just the s550 lol
Did you feel a noticeable difference in the ride quality in the 65 hydraulic suspension vs the s63s airmatic suspension? which was more comfortable?
I have driven both. The s65 is softer. The s63 is a bit harsher. The AMGs have stiffer bushings and mounts. The base model s560 has the best ride then the s65, then the s63 in that order.
Thank you!.@@gasolara2002
The 63 with a Capristo exhaust Sounds absolutely amazing
Anyone else notice the torn intake hose at 1:28 ?
Its about what you enjoy more, the rear wheel drive is fun to play with,the S63 all wheel drive gets better traction but how many owners drag race their cars. Of course awd is more practical.
Check out the shredded drivers side air intake at 1:28.. they all do that eventually, haven't seen one that bad before.
Good catch. Seems it’s a no brainer to upgrade that
Great job AoutVlog........best pov style
I believe the V12 is superior in any way, the Magic Body COntrol is not available for V8 models which makes the ride pretty rough, although I choose the 63 for myself. It’s a little bit easier to handle, especially when tuned with the m157 engine - I’m very pleased the way it pilots @ 750 WHP, running pretty smooth for a luxury cruiser convertible - they are rare cars regardless because Mercedes isn’t producing big coupes any more - very sad but I think if you have a well optioned one just keep it - Cheers from LA
Definitely need to try a facelift S63. I'm really curious how you feel about that one compared to your 65
I had a W204 C63 and sold it for a CL65 then sold that for a S63 coupe….I just didn’t like the power delivery of the CL65. I was younger and wanted something more violent, but that was 15ish years ago….. today I’m 42 and I would prefer a CL65/S65
Do you still have that ranger I just watched the video when you put it in reverse while going 45 50 mph lol good stuff
S65 needs to be an AMG V12 Quad Turbo ❤ with straight pipes ❤
Autovlog Great Review I think that S63 AMG is awesome in every way although I definitely agree that S65 AMGs are better because it they have Twin Turbo V12s and sound better
S65 is for the guy who must have the top-of-the line, regardless of the downside (cost, weight, running costs, fuel mileage, dated transmission and range).
i just gotta get 1 v12 in my lifetime and for around $100k hard to beat.. Repairs bout to be insane tho
yeah I'm totally on board with this ruby black ride. awd makes sense for me. which is better? who cares, they both are cool imho.
On my bmw M6 i had night vision and I always used it when driving on the highway at night… you can soot cop cars parked on the side of the road easily with it
The video I’ve been waiting for
i still love these old Benz coupe.'s.....i would love to have one, one day......I would take the 63....fun cars....smooth Benz Sled's...got to drive one or two of them when i worked at Benz
1989 560SEC AMG
I would definitely pick the V12 because its more exotic
Thanks
Great video
RS. Canada
Both cars are just amazing!!
I would get Jeep for the winter time,and if I could choose..I would pick S65 AMG ...RWD only....
Mike WTF... i couldnt help but notice your build bro! How are you already bigger and more cut looking? lol Keep doing what you're doing man! It's working!
Maybe a nice set of wheels with winter tyre’s for the S65??
Now there's a project idea for you! The world's first 4matic S65 AMG coupe!
What I am really intrested in is does the V12 feel more nose heavy when slowing down and turning in, does the steering feel heavier? I have a Honda Pilot for bad weather, I wount be taking either of these in snow 😂
If you live in Germany the choice is clearly the S65. Because the difference on the Autobahn is significant.
Yea I’m with you I love V12 Mercs
Hey Mike, they can fit the 4Matic in the V 12 car they just can’t warranty the drive train with all that torque. That’s literally the only reason it’s not in there #Accountants.
Is there a difference in comfort between the two?
Lovely interior
both very similar 4matic for me S63
I love the M157 but some of the issues scares me, cylinder scoring in cylinders 1 and 5, timing chain issues on 2012 to 2014, and oil leaking from the cam magnets potentially destroying ecu harness if not caught early. I wonder how the M177 will do over the years. I’ve seen a glc 63 hydro locked just like your c63 s. Is the M177 not safe to drive in the rain??
M157’s are trash compared to the V12. I’ve been a Mercedes technician for 12 years and I’ve only seen one V12 failure. Now I can’t count all the M157’s I’ve worked on with major issues like cylinder wall scouring, failing valve seats, failing camshaft surface hardening and rocker arm wear. Oh and don’t forget the cam sensors pumping oil into the ECU engine wire harness.
@@WRCWRX in your experience would you say the m177 is much more reliable. I only like the sound of v8. Specifically amg twin turbo v8s. I’ve been researching for a while now. I’ve even looked at the n63 TU2 bmw hot V v8 and the Audi 4.0 tfsi. It’s frustrating because they all seem to have some issue. Some major. Some not, the one who has the least will be the winner
@@WRCWRXI wouldn’t call it trash perse. Of course I’m biased because I have a W212 with the M157. If you take care of it and change the oil(and use something high quality like Liqui moly, changed every 3k miles), spark plugs, and ignition coils more often then you would with other cars out there, it’s pretty reliable. Mine is tuned and I recently borescoped and so far there is no scoring in cylinders 1 and 5. The cam sensors and solenoid issue is overblown since you just replace them and keep an eye on it. That being said, it’s my understanding that MB put more thought into making the M177 more robust than the M157. Essentially what I’ve heard is that the M157 was rushed as an answer to the F10 M5.
I don’t plan on keeping mine for much longer as I want to get myself into a W213 E63 or W222 S63 with the 4.0 biturbo.
@@WRCWRXI also wonder how many M157 failures are a result of improper indexing of spark plugs. It’s common to see them not get properly indexed when torqued to 23nm.
@@WRCWRXhow many V12s are there on the road to the v8s? Isn’t it like 100:1
63 is faster, handles better, sounds better, cheaper maintenance. Only thing going for 65 is bragging rights
Definitely not cheaper on maintenance. M157 engines are not reliable & are $$$ to repair. M279 is probably Mercedes most reliable modern motor.
Passed by your boys at Rahal!
Hey M. AutoVlog, what is the sale price and mileage on this '16 AMG that LW is offering ?!? Nearing 8 years old we're estimating an asking of $46K if the odometer is UNDER 50K ?!? Many Thanks Yo ! 💱🔍. 🤔
Fantastic video!!
the 65 did get the 7 speed for the 217 model... i think the 63 had a better varient though but still 7 speed
How would u rate the performance stock to stock with the rs7?
I have an S65 and an RS6. The RS7 and RS6 are essentially the same car with different form factors. I really like the RS6, I love the S65. The RS6 is a sports car and does that part really well. The S65 is a luxury car that is strong. The S65 may be slower off the line than either the RS6 or the S63 but there is something about the quality of the drive. It is effortless. It takes the same effort to go 30 mph and 100 mph. I did not get that in either the RS6 or S63.
@@johnbremer7827 what year rs6? Because in this year of his rs7 they only made the rs6 in Germany. Just recently the new body rs6 and rs7 is stateside
@@Nyc4u247 2022. The catalytic converter went bad within 1k miles anf they had to fly it in from Germany. Also came through the port of LA so think it came from Germany.
Honestly, the best situation would be to get both.
The S65 you got is the Best Buy , only thing that your S65 is missing is the Black Series batch 😉 . But seriously your car is a keeper, don’t you ever sell this one .. the price will go up at some point ☝🏼 .. only up and up !
The price will not go up, man... These cars will have the same destiny as the CL class...
But I love them!!!
@@invictusmaneo464 i guess we need to wait and see ? Make a screen shot and reply in about 10 years from now
id call that interior trim 'WALNUT"
I prefer the 2018 and newer S63. Cant get any better than that!
I own both S65amg and S63AMG but the saloon models w221
From my experience, the V12 is on another league. The m157 BiTurbo is a very powerful engine and my S63AMG is the performance pack which means more power but at higher rpm it doesn’t feel like it pulls as hard as the V12.
Put it this way, I took my mother for a drive recently in the S63AMG and she said, son, I prefer this car because it’s fast but not scary fast like the S65AMG 😂.
I don’t really like the 7 speed gearbox when you first pull away as it’s not as smooth as the 5 speed and sometimes it can also be a bit jerky but that’s the characteristic of that box as it’s the same box that is on the SLS Mercedes.
The V8 also growls a bit more than the V12 but no other car sounds as good as the V12 on start up.
I love both my s classes that’s why I’m keeping the V12 BiTurbo but also the V8 BiTurbo.
I have a '16 X222 S600 Maybach and an '18 E400 coupe, currently hunting for an S coupe, either S550/560, S63, or S65 coupe. V12 is my priority due to several S600 saloon ownership, but the cost of MB V12 ownership is too high to an extent that makes me wonder why not getting a Ferrari GTC4Lusso/ FF? What's your take on this?
@@agnesf2659 Hello,
It’s a nice problem to have….. pick a nice Mercedes or a Ferrari 😁. I’ve owned V12 Mercedes now for 5 years or so and they do have some very expensive things that can go wrong but it is to be expected when owning a car that was nearly £200k brand new. I would think the Ferrari would be more expensive to maintain, even things like service or tyres.
As much as I love my S65AMG…… if I had to choose between an S class or a Ferrari, it will have to be a Ferrari. One is a very fast luxury car and the other is an exotic super car.
Whichever car you choose, I’m sure you’ll love and I hope you enjoy it in good health 😊.
One thing is for sure, the days of V12’s are coming to an end so we might as well enjoy this cars while we still can.
@@Sam_AMG did you have some problem with w221 s65 ? Is it very expensive to mantain ?
@@bortix1991 Hi,
I’ve had the car for just over one year now and in that time, I’ve spent around £10.000 on the car on maintenance work and the previous owner had just spent around £6000 a few months before I bought the car. They really are amazing cars to own but it still costs the same to maintain as it did when they first came out. I say to anyone that if they have an opportunity to own one of this, go for it! At the same time you have to be realistic and keep in mind that parts are very expensive and not many people like to work on this cars. For me, the S65AMG’s is one of the best saloon cars Mercedes has ever made.
There’s nothing more I love than a v12 but AWD is a non negotiable for me now
V12 is more exotic than V8, but if you live in winter wonder land, like Sweden where you come from or Norway where I come from, then 4x4 is a must. Backwheel drive is absolutely useless on snow and and ice, straight out dangerous..
.......and they didn't bother to correct that air vent reflection on the side view mirrors, I see🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
i'd take the facelift s63
I've owned the V12 M275 platform on a SL65 for almost 5 years. The car was Renntech stage 1 tuned with minor exhaust work. The car was pushing 700ho with 900tq at the crank. I'm currently with the M157, and yes the V8biturbo is more deadly than the M275 when tuned.
For the love, get yourself an amg gts/gtr
Intake tube 😮
S65 all day. That M279 has way more upside. Just a RennTech plug in tune takes it to 670hp. Then you can add BMC or Green Filter Co. air filters, NGK Ruthenium spark plugs and an upgraded voltage transformer to blow past 700hp. That's before even getting deeper with bigger intercoolers and E85 compatibility. Any S63 awd traction advantage off the line can be overcome by an S65 armed with Michelin Cup2's that hook like track tires.
For S class, I would take 65. For C class I would take 63.
Ur a RWD lover 😂. I would say that AWD with the bi turbo v8 is the best (e63 or s63) but I’m taking the s65 allll day
@@v.j.1017 Wasted hp, I drove C63 on cold spring day. No traction at all.
If you have +400hp on rwd, you are just wasting it.
@@DuBstep115 loool ur very correct bro
I would pick the 63 you couldn’t beat 4-Matic
I use my night vision every night in my65 I would totally miss it.
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The s63 is focus on performance, the s65 overall comfort
For S class it has to be the v12
pretty simple as a car guy never driven either - oh that's a 63 verse oh wow that's the 65 it has the v12 rarely see those....
I never get why the s65 6.0l v12 twin turbo makes only 621 hp, that's 44hp extra coming from 0.5l extra displacement with 4 more cylinders, makes absolutely no sense to me
Its all to do with transmission limitations as well as small turbos relative to the engine. The transmission can’t take more than 750lbft if I’m not mistaken so Mercedes had to dial the numbers back to get under that limit. The turbos should be bigger imo from a performance standpoint which allows that V12 to really rumble and pull. Plus, it makes zero sense for a luxury sedan to have anything more than 621hp.
However, if you are willing to tune an S65 properly, it will beat pretty much anything on the road in a roll race.
What's with the audio today? It's so tinny 😢
Are you selling it?
Long term ownership the s65 is way cheaper and easier to own. Way less headaches. For short term ownership the s63 would be good for a few months or a year max. They give you more speed.(All the failure points are documented on RUclips already)
Would a killer deal at $57k for a 41k mile 2016 S63 with night vision, magic roof, crystals, high end audio pull you in?
@@rohangangar6210 nope. The low mileage for those will come with trouble as they usually do. Then it will be a hard resell after a year. The S65 is better as far as me owning it for the long term. I got a C216 CL600 and I'm pretty happy with it. I got every option I need including night vision. The facelift model s63 would be my choice if I had to get one. No point in getting a V8 that is troublesome and has more maintenance costs than the V12 counterpart
@@gasolara2002 well shii wish me luck cause I’m invested for at least 2 years in a S63 in that spec, beautiful black on red interior. All the other color options are terrible imo. Unless black on white.
@@rohangangar6210 yeah. I look at the issues first and get them based on best to maintain. The m157 motor isn't it for me and my mechanic told me hell no to that motor. I was convinced when he said it is an engine out for the turbos and they are a failure point.
@@gasolara2002 hmm well wish me luck
I didn't see this upload .........
63!
The 5.5 never made it to the c63
I dont agree with you better is rear wheel drive and fun to drive my opinion,hi from greece
V12 more reliable and faster top end
just change channel name to "s65 owner blabla" 😂😂😂😂
intakes exhaust and tune and trans tune will make it so alive id take the s63 cause of awd and parts are so expensive for v12
Hate to tell you but the parts prices for engine parts are actually on the same price level for the v8 and v12 models. They are way more failures on the v8s than the v12s
S65
Just get the s500 plenty
the S63 is only faster than a 65 from launch... other than that, its acceleration isnt as fast while moving and def not as fast to top end... and the sound of a 65 is significantly better. Lastly, the s65 and Maybach have no difference in features as standard... the 63 is significantly lacking
Whatever happened to you guys taking about moving to Florida, you could drive the sports cars everyday unlike PA or Ohio ,
POV makes me dizzy.........
The copy and paste RUclipsr thumbnail car review stance. So funny
65 all f'in dayyyyyyy
A joke
You get the S65 for the bragging rights mainly....
Get rid of the AUDI and get the G63!!!
such a boring car for the money, nothing exiting at all.
just an old farts ride
"guy who hasn't driven one"
@@Evan-McM I dont want to drive one
@@jimsss222well that’s part of the problem.
@@jimsss222and what car is better?
It looks sinister in black though.