I do believe the theory that Chris was actually placed in a screaming room, and the principal was trying to calm him down, and that the staff were recording his cries and shouts as evidence for a case against his parents to send him to a special-needs school
I'm autistic too. In middle school I got thrown in screaming rooms regularly until my parents sent me to a school with an autism program. Having to go to class with kids like me and teachers who understood autism improved my behavior drastically, to the point I only got thrown in one of the rooms once! However, while they got my life on track, one kid procrastinated over his math lessons so exaggeratedly that the teacher DID film him being bratty to send to his parents. Not to send him away, just to demonstrate their son's crappy behavior. Those rooms are now illegal in Georgia, where I live. But a special school would have made a WORLD of difference for Chris.
@General_Alek according to what’s believed, Bob and Barb wanted to restart their lives with Chris as a blank slate that would grow up to be a sufficient and sophisticated. Successful adult. with a prominent business with a wife and children… This obviously was a f-ing catastrophe.
@General_Alek """successful""" in the sense that he has to rely on weens to keep him housed? If it wasn't for Praetor, as much as I very much despise them for exploiting Chris and riding the merch wave with whatever cut they get (which I guarantee is a lion's share) he would have been on the streets post jail release.
i love how chris chan is openly uncomfortable by that teacher's unwanted contact, but heaven forbid meghan might not appreciate being touched either. gross.......
@@Mewdo45 *Some* autists, Chris included, either have weak cognitive empathy(AKA empathic accuracy and theory-of-mind) or completely lack it(in other words, it's hard or impossible for them to metaphorically put themselves in other people's shoes), and they have difficulty with or are incapable of understanding how to get into romantic relationships and how romantic relationships work.
@pseudoruu *Some* autists, Chris included, either have weak cognitive empathy(AKA empathic accuracy and theory-of-mind) or completely lack it(in other words, it's hard or impossible for them to metaphorically put themselves in other people's shoes), and they have difficulty with or are incapable of understanding how to get into romantic relationships and how romantic relationships work.
Chris made a Little Big Planet video about his mental condition and his school experience, and he mentioned something odd. "Never put an autistic child into a mental institution. It's a dark, evil place. I would have been sent there once, but my parents would not have it." I think he's referring to the special needs treatment his old teachers wanted to give him. That means Bob and Barbara not only had no idea what they were talking about when they proposed it, but they assumed "special needs" meant, "They're gonna throw him into a looney bin with a straitjacket." They fought against getting Chris professional help because they thought it WASN'T professional help. This might have been what kickstarted their need to shelter Chris from everything, because they believed the world was out to hurt him. They really were that stupid.
I mostly believe Chris' account of the pinning down incident; it's not like it isn't well documented that this type of treatment of autistic children was very common during that time. He was probably having an autism-induced tantrum and became violent against himself or others, and the staff didn't know what else to do but restrain him. The recording of it was probably to prove that Chris needed special education, and that they as a school were unequipped to deal with him.
Also, about the incident with the principal: I recall a couple of occasions in elementary school when I was crying for some reason, and a (female) teacher took me on her lap to console me. Although inappropriate, it's understandable that a teacher might be tempted to pick up a crying child to comfort them, especially if they are parents themselves. Maybe such an event is the seed of truth behind the principal "abuse" story
Yeah I can absolutely believe that I wasn't born at the time when this was happening, but considering autistic people still gets abused just to a lesser extent today. I can absolutely believe something like this would happen in the '80s and '90s. I can also believe that the principal would put him on his lap not to abuse him but to comfort him since this was very common for teachers to do even when I was at school in the 2000s (although it's illegal now for these exact reasons) I don't think the principal was trying to molest him. I think that's something his parents made up to get him away from the school or something he made up to justify homophobia but we could be wrong. It could have happened I just think if it actually did happen it would have been better documented and that would have been an arrest especially since the chandlers took the education system to court and for some reason didn't bring this up.
@@Mewdo45 A number of things can cause an autism meltdown; sensory overload, being overly stressed, changes to routine, having difficulty expressing a need or want, information overload.
Not putting Chris in a special school and instilling some serious ableism is, honest to God to me, one of the most damaging things they did to Chris. Choosing pride over the future of their son. His overall fate in the future only further proves their fears didn't lie in that path, but on the path of least resistance(Aka, the path they took).
too be fair given the time and environment the chandlers did not really know anything much about autism or special needs care, they just knew r tards existed and that was it, while not trying to excuse anyone as they all are horrible people to some degree, we did not have support for these scenarios back then to the degree we have now even in more rural-America
Today that might work somewhat since special needs programs in public schools have improved (even then therapy are constant support are still needed especially in the early years) but back then since it was somewhat still new territory and they were already fixed on their beliefs Bob and Barb basically thought Chris would be lobotomized if they transferred him out.
Chris is the example of peaking in school. He shows a warped version of elementary school events but loved high School despite his parents paid girls to be his friends and neither grew actual friendships to him, just monetary gain . Says how horrible Bob and the galpals
Chris "peaked" in school because school is not the real world. In school, he got to do the same things every day without ever having to be productive. Teachers looked after him. If he did something wrong, nothing would happen. That's just what school is like for kids with severe behavioral issues. Shit won't truly hit the fan until they're forced to interact with the real world. If Chris had had better parents, maybe he could've spent his adult life earning a bit of money at a really simple job where adults with severe autism are hired and supported. But his life effectively ended after school since they never made him do anything productive at all.
He never peaked lol. He spent the last 25 years on a lamer version of an already existing character. Whipdy fukcin doo. You have accomplished something a 4 year old could achieve.
Chris chan is basically like an D&D character someone would make if they were bored. But seriously, I've seen, read and heard alot in my 21 years of bring on this planet but Chris Chan Lore tops all of it. His love quest, "Gal Pals", Sonichu Comics (to be fair when I was 11, I did make a spider-man comic about me being a spider-man in Poland but I was fuckin 11 years old!), his politics, all of the Sagas, Idea Guys, Liquid Chris, his parents and so much more. Like Jesus.
Chris always being problematic can be chalked up to literally just his parents being complete failures at raising him and the trolls being WAY too aggressive at trolling him. Chris was and will forever be emotionally, intellectually and mentally stunted and no one's to blame but his parents and the trolls. Mostly his parents. They knew he was severely mentally ill and should have never allowed him on the internet.
Chris was a menace long before the trolls got involved. He made a sex pest of himself around school and the Mall, got himself banned from numerous establishments and made enough of a stink at PVCC to get mandatory anger mangement classes. He also made Megan feel uncomfortable and caused trouble at the GAME Place. Chris was broken well before he encountered his first troll.
@@DruidicDonkey That I agree with. But ultimately Chris was responsible for choosing to engage with them endlessly. He could have walked away at any moment but he chose to stick around and let them abuse him. It's not like they had any tangible hold over him that prevented him from cutting all ties with them... ...But I think the abusive environment Chris was born and raised into likely numbed him to just how abusive the trolls really were.
It's also a bit of chrises fault. There are times people tried warning him about trolls, or some outside force would help him Yet some how he always comes back to the internet. Don't get me wrong, if Bob cut the internet down years ago none of this would have happened, although Chris isn't completely an innocent victim
@@PlanetZoidstar That's easy to say for someone who has a normally wired brain. We're talking about a medium-functioning autist who had no true friends and thus was lonely and craved attention.
oh yeah sure like bob wasn't a failure of a parent as well, wasn't there rumors he abused his first children i mean them not coming to his funeral tells me everything i need to know.
@@james656-k8e Clarification, no rumors about him ab*sing his previous 2 children. All we know is their relationship is strained. AKA, maybe his kids grew up and went on to live their own lives. One of his previous children (David) and Chris attended his funeral. Cole didn't. The rumors of ab*se came from Barb and Jerry. Jerry was Barb's previous partner and Cole's former stepfather. Cole described Bob as having a bitter influence on Barb, he believes that influence encouraged Barb to push Cole away. Which is an understandable feeling when a new person enters your life and has a child with your mother. Yes, it's true he wished to be informed of Bob's de*th so he can celebrate. He did not have a good relationship with Bob, but there are no actual claims of Bob ever ab*sing him.
Bob is an abusive step father (ask smithy) Bob could have also cut down the internet when he had the chance, kept a closer monitor on chrises internet activity, and not try to fight the education system that's desperately trying to help hes son. Barb is worse, but Bob is still guilty
@@Mewdo45Incorrect. Cole was already mostly out of the picture by the time Bob even met barb. The abuse Cole was speaking of came at the hands of barb and her previous husband Jerry Harmon Jr. The only known opinion Cole has of Bob was that they met a few times and that he considered Bob a “Republican Kerr”
Chris Chan Lore is this rabbithole I only just fell into; It feels kinda weird as this *is* a real person,and not like some fictional character or setting but it's also like watching a train wreck or a plane crash,it's awful but you cannot look away. Is this normal for people falling into this rabbit hole?
Yeah its normal to learn about chris chan since its out of curiousity. Its only bad if you try to be part of the story of chris intentionally nowadays.
Yeah its normal to learn about chris chan since its out of curiousity. Its only bad if you try to be part of the story of chris intentionally nowadays.
@@MrAdamoHonestly, if you have enough self awareness and continue to learn from Chris, you should be okay. Chris is an enigma and he is definitely a unique individual that I doubt most of us would end up like him.
Apparently, he and I went to the same middle school. He was in the sixth grade when I was in the eighth, so I didn’t know him at all. Small world tho, I guess.
What Chris went through in 4th grade is a very common for autistic children. Staff are trained to do this to children. If they did it to a normal kid they would have all been locked up. This show how much the school system values autistic children.
Well normal kids don't disrupt class ever 5 minutes every day. We had one in my Jr. High school who disrupted class soo much soo often that every one in class (but him) had to come in during summer to do make-up classes just to pass on to the next grade. In my grade school years, a student like that would have been hauled off to the tard room and kept there for the duration of the school year. But by Jr high, that was deemed "abusive" and teachers just had to just let the kid disrupt class.
It's the Parents fault for not raising Chris Chan the right way in life like they failed him very badly and well look where we are now in today's chris chan. What the world would had been like had Chris Chan gotten helped at a early age.
Even though things have improved for special needs students, my parents still had hours and hours of therapy and when I moved, a new therapy would be created where we left off. I don’t know if Chris’s parents did that, probably too busy fighting the district.
as someone who works with kids with IEPs and special programs, Chris very much needed this and his parents withholding that from him due to social stigma is absolutely deplorable.
Remember - Chris was born in the 80s and went to school in the 80s&90s. There probably WERE no special schools around - and if they were? Very VERY expensive and was largely based around beating people until they stop making noise and declaring them "Treated" once they learn speaking up earns beatings.
God, the avalanche of “what ifs” in Chris Chan’s story had he been in “Special school” or “special Ed”. As a former student who attended these programs because of my ADHD and Asperger’s, it was very beneficial. In addition to standard academics, I was taught social skills - what was appropriate and what was inappropriate; I was taught how to communicate with people properly, and learned how if I did anything wrong there would be consequences (my teachers - the best in the biz - never sugar-coated such things). Indeed, had Bob and Barbara been sweet talked into the benefits of Chris attending that school we would have had a Chris Chan with a timeline where he didn’t throw a fit over not winning awards in his graduation, where he did not depend on a “love sign” to get a “sweetheart”, where his father didn’t have to bribe girls to being his friends, etc.
Remember that Chris was born in the 80s and grew up in the late 80s-90s. In Rural Virginia. Back then? Just the idea that someone on the Autism Spectrum is in fact an ACTUAL PERSON was quite an amazing one.
Remember that this was the 80s and the 90s. Attitudes towards Autism were very VERY different than they are now. Mainstreaming was extremely controversial back then. Most "Treatment" was largely "Beat them until they stop making noise - then declare them 'treated' when they stop bugging the grownups". There probably wasn't a "Special school" for Chris to have been sent to. Source: I lived in the 90s.
Late 90's baby here, I was in special education my whole life, was mainstreamed in classes and I made friends with normal/disabled students, school staff and security officers and they treated me no different. They treated me like a human being... well, except for a few teachers.
@@kc_9970 You're still pretty lucky - though it was far more likely if you were born in the mid-late 90s (because that was when special ed was largely changing) When Chris was growing up in the 80s and 90s? It was very common for parents to fight diagnoses of things like autism and believe all they neded was to just be beaten.
No matter what the context of the situation is, the school staff pinning down chris and recording his screams is absolutely horrible,cruel and inhumane.
Knowing Chris this was highly overexaggerated. Chances are he was having a complete freak out and they had to hold him down in order to stop him from hurting others or himself. They could have also video taped hes screams as evidence for Chris needing help
What's sad/funny/crazy is that they were afraid everyone was was in cahoots against them except the people who actually were and brainwashed Chris into believing in alternate realities
I fucking angry at the fact Bob and Barbra act and pretend that theirs nothing wrong with Chris and refuse to put him in a school with a special ed program. Another case of shitty parenting.
Remember - Chris was born in the 80s. Schools with special ed programs back then were either a) Very expensive private schools that only became worse once Reagan was ravaging the landscape b) Ran on outdated material c) "Treatment" Was largely "Beat the kids - then declare them 'treated' once they stop making noise."
@@Red-jt6uu I think you would be surprised. If he was farming from childhood he would have gotten used to it. He would have even learnt to enjoy it. He would have a good work ethic today but instead he had to be pumped through a system that couldn't meet his needs or even give him anything that valuable since he couldn't really receive the education due to his disability.
@@pinkdiamond1847 For him to be farming since childhood, it would require Borb to actually own a farm. Barb would probably think the farm life is beneath her and Bob probably would not be interested in spending his retirement farming. Perhaps some members of his extended family owned a farm, but Borb have burned too many bridges by that point to approach their relatives to ask if they would let their kid be a farm hand for them. In addition, Bob initially had high hopes that Chris would be technologically-oriented such as himself and figured that schooling was the more natural route anyway. Either way, Borb could have still instilled a work ethic in Chis by insisting he work as soon as he is legally able to at a simple job such as bagging groceries like many disabled adults do. However, they convinced Chris that being a leech on the government was preferable to actually working. In short, would growing up on a farm help? Probably. The issue is that Borb were not the right people to teach Chris the value of hard work, so even if they did have a farm, they probably would have still spoiled Chris anyway.
@@Red-jt6uu Nah, I have seen some borderline retarded farmhands over here. One of them even believed the joke that chocolate milk came from brown cows, yet was caring for horses. -_o
He is still fairly high functioning, and these type of group home institutions usually are for lower functioning people than him. He definitely needed more institutional help, but the most obviously effective intervention would be more and different kinds of drugs
This is my subjective opinion: I think Chris may have perceived school like what he saw in his cartoons, like Magic School Bus. There wasn't anyone in particular in Chris's life, so where is he going to learn about the outside world? From the TV, from his Saturday morning cartoons. And Chris is an 80s baby, he's a very early Gen-Y. So cartoons back then almost always had to have a PSA "remember kids, winners don't do drugs" Your video was very well put together, and well informative. Keep it up.
I normally don’t wish this, but this is one of the few times that a child should’ve been taken away from their parents because his parents failed him so horribly
To think Chris could’ve been at a special needs school makes me think that this is truly the worst timeline for him, not having his issues specially cared for by someone qualified to do so has probably made him the way he was.
As someone who has been in similar situations to Chris, I got to side with him. I totally believe the abuse story. I don’t know if it as SA, however I have been pinned down before, and I’ve seen kids with mental disabilities get abused by staff. Barb and Bob had no business having a kid that late in life, they were bringing a child into this world who they were ill equipped to handle and who the world would treat harshly.
I wonder what it would be like if Chris Chan made his own alphabet and number system? Is he even smart enough to know that Ten isn't even the only number base in existence? In his brain I feel like if you showed him a base 60 number system it would go miles over his head, his base Ten bias would kick in and he would look at it like an incomplete shorthand for base 10 because of his over simplified mindset. In his naive way of thinking a symbol for 33 followed by a 0 can only be 330, if you said the number was actually 1980, he would laugh at you and say you don't know math, even though he's the one that really doesn't. His pseudo-critique of a base 60 number system would be that there is no double zero digit, and that the numbers don't go up to 99, which defeats the entire purpose.
As bad as Chris’ parents were, i can’t really fault them for not sending Chris to special education. Simply put, they had no idea about the things we know now.
As a former teacher myself, I am mostly opposed to mainstreaming a lot of these kids. The whole concept of mainstreaming became a "thing" with Bush's "No Child Left Behind" initiative, a series of educational changes that has caused veteran teachers to break down into tears -- it was THAT bad. And it was. When you put highly disruptive, "mentally challenged," and socially maladaptive children into a regular classroom, what happens is that everyone in the class loses, on average, an entire letter grade. This is because the truly intelligent, gifted students get bored -- because the work has to be scaled back so the least common IQ can understand and complete it. What might be a massive, sweat-inducing challenge to one student is stupidly easy for another ... thus the students with fairly high intellects start doing poorly because they no longer pay attention and do other things to try and stave off the boredom. Meanwhile, the kids who were mainstreamed are barely hanging on and not doing particularly well because the mainstream work is simply beyond them -- for various reasons. The end result is that everyone loses. The smart kids lose because there's no more challenge in the work they do ... and the not-so-smart kids lose because even the most rudimentary "mainstream" work and textbooks are beyond their abilities. Even the teachers lose -- because they have to somehow blend everyone together despite wildly varying levels of ability. Bush's NCLB initiative was awful because it pretended as if every child was essentially the same - not to mention its over-reliance on standardized tests so that teachers essentially "taught the test" rather than being allowed to make the class more interesting. I know SOME people think teachers already make too much because of getting summers off and long holiday vacations. But I can attest that during the school year, teachers don't get to come home and relax. Between grading papers, reading essays, writing up lesson plans, creating tests, coming up with often independent workloads for each student, a teacher can literally spend their entire off hours working on paperwork that technically they don't get paid for. It's as if they work a double-shift. They just work the 2nd shift from home. But they're still working.
Yeah, I'm not familiar with working in the education system in the slightest, but the more I hear about NCLB the more I'm flabbergasted as to how that ever happened
Not sure why another exploitive drama channel showed up in my feed.. but I'll say chris chan was kind of unlucky to be raised by parents who have no idea how to act like emotionally mature & responsible adults. Stuff like that disappoint & sometimes infuriates me 🤦 This makes me wish that there was some kind of special or required license/permit just like how we need a driver's license as proof you had proper training & are responsible enough to drive & own a car but for people who want to have children. They'll have to check for your psychological, emotional & social well-being if you are fit enough to have & raise kids because i think some people just aren't really cut at being parents. Also i believe it could be beneficial for the planet to reduce overpopulation & environmental related issues.
I do believe the theory that Chris was actually placed in a screaming room, and the principal was trying to calm him down, and that the staff were recording his cries and shouts as evidence for a case against his parents to send him to a special-needs school
I'm autistic too. In middle school I got thrown in screaming rooms regularly until my parents sent me to a school with an autism program. Having to go to class with kids like me and teachers who understood autism improved my behavior drastically, to the point I only got thrown in one of the rooms once!
However, while they got my life on track, one kid procrastinated over his math lessons so exaggeratedly that the teacher DID film him being bratty to send to his parents. Not to send him away, just to demonstrate their son's crappy behavior.
Those rooms are now illegal in Georgia, where I live. But a special school would have made a WORLD of difference for Chris.
@General_Alek according to what’s believed, Bob and Barb wanted to restart their lives with Chris as a blank slate that would grow up to be a sufficient and sophisticated. Successful adult. with a prominent business with a wife and children… This obviously was a f-ing catastrophe.
@General_Alek """successful""" in the sense that he has to rely on weens to keep him housed? If it wasn't for Praetor, as much as I very much despise them for exploiting Chris and riding the merch wave with whatever cut they get (which I guarantee is a lion's share) he would have been on the streets post jail release.
@General_Alekhow?
100% what happened i have no doubt about it
Fun fact, Chris Chan went to the same higschool as NASCAR driver and 23XI Racing co-owner Denny Hamlin
Yeesh, yet somehow denny has made a career but hasn't won a championship.
Most fans Denny Hamlin meets in public ask about racing, I would ask him if he remembers Christian Chandler from high school.
I wonder If Man High has statues dedicated to them both
they only have a one year age gap they def know each other lol
@@mrmrbaconAt least Denny is SUCCESSFUL and NOT like Chris.
i love how chris chan is openly uncomfortable by that teacher's unwanted contact, but heaven forbid meghan might not appreciate being touched either. gross.......
I don't get how Chris doesn't understand megs point of view when he seemingly went through something similar
@@Mewdo45 *Some* autists, Chris included, either have weak cognitive empathy(AKA empathic accuracy and theory-of-mind) or completely lack it(in other words, it's hard or impossible for them to metaphorically put themselves in other people's shoes), and they have difficulty with or are incapable of understanding how to get into romantic relationships and how romantic relationships work.
@pseudoruu
*Some* autists, Chris included, either have weak cognitive empathy(AKA empathic accuracy and theory-of-mind) or completely lack it(in other words, it's hard or impossible for them to metaphorically put themselves in other people's shoes), and they have difficulty with or are incapable of understanding how to get into romantic relationships and how romantic relationships work.
@@Mewdo45 Rules for the, and not for me
@sabsyoutube241 chris chan is massively regarded and cannot put himself in others shoes, he also has a bad case of main character syndrome
the more i learn about chris chan the more obvious it is that his parents failed him horribly
the more i learn about chris chan the more obvious it is that the white bowser is a predator
theres so much unresolved trauma and mental illness on barb's side it all clicked for me when i learned abt her
Chrises downfall is a combination of shitty parenting, bullying, and hes own dumb decisions
Chris Chan wouldn’t be who he is if born to any other set of parents
They put him in a mainstream school before he could even communicate.
Chris made a Little Big Planet video about his mental condition and his school experience, and he mentioned something odd. "Never put an autistic child into a mental institution. It's a dark, evil place. I would have been sent there once, but my parents would not have it."
I think he's referring to the special needs treatment his old teachers wanted to give him. That means Bob and Barbara not only had no idea what they were talking about when they proposed it, but they assumed "special needs" meant, "They're gonna throw him into a looney bin with a straitjacket."
They fought against getting Chris professional help because they thought it WASN'T professional help. This might have been what kickstarted their need to shelter Chris from everything, because they believed the world was out to hurt him. They really were that stupid.
I need to stop watching videos about Chris...... this is just sad😢
The fact that this is the shortest one out of your "chris chan and" videos says a lot
Causes he didn’t learn a lot?
"The Autism Papers" is fucking hilarious
I mostly believe Chris' account of the pinning down incident; it's not like it isn't well documented that this type of treatment of autistic children was very common during that time. He was probably having an autism-induced tantrum and became violent against himself or others, and the staff didn't know what else to do but restrain him. The recording of it was probably to prove that Chris needed special education, and that they as a school were unequipped to deal with him.
Also, about the incident with the principal: I recall a couple of occasions in elementary school when I was crying for some reason, and a (female) teacher took me on her lap to console me. Although inappropriate, it's understandable that a teacher might be tempted to pick up a crying child to comfort them, especially if they are parents themselves. Maybe such an event is the seed of truth behind the principal "abuse" story
Yeah I can absolutely believe that I wasn't born at the time when this was happening, but considering autistic people still gets abused just to a lesser extent today. I can absolutely believe something like this would happen in the '80s and '90s.
I can also believe that the principal would put him on his lap not to abuse him but to comfort him since this was very common for teachers to do even when I was at school in the 2000s (although it's illegal now for these exact reasons)
I don't think the principal was trying to molest him. I think that's something his parents made up to get him away from the school or something he made up to justify homophobia but we could be wrong. It could have happened I just think if it actually did happen it would have been better documented and that would have been an arrest especially since the chandlers took the education system to court and for some reason didn't bring this up.
I wonder how Chris went from quietly sitting in class to having a mental breakdown
@@saintazepam You mean an autism meltdown, not a tantrum. There's a *big* difference! Otherwise, you're right.
@@Mewdo45 A number of things can cause an autism meltdown; sensory overload, being overly stressed, changes to routine, having difficulty expressing a need or want, information overload.
Not putting Chris in a special school and instilling some serious ableism is, honest to God to me, one of the most damaging things they did to Chris. Choosing pride over the future of their son. His overall fate in the future only further proves their fears didn't lie in that path, but on the path of least resistance(Aka, the path they took).
too be fair given the time and environment the chandlers did not really know anything much about autism or special needs care, they just knew r tards existed and that was it, while not trying to excuse anyone as they all are horrible people to some degree, we did not have support for these scenarios back then to the degree we have now even in more rural-America
and yet somehow some people feel bad for his parents? ignoring the fact that there poor parenting is the main cause of chris becoming what he is now
Today that might work somewhat since special needs programs in public schools have improved (even then therapy are constant support are still needed especially in the early years) but back then since it was somewhat still new territory and they were already fixed on their beliefs Bob and Barb basically thought Chris would be lobotomized if they transferred him out.
it would have only made him worse if anything. placed in next to people probably just as bad to be influenced by.
@@james656-k8e
I imagine thats the older viewers. Old people seem to have a biased against the youth.
Chris is the example of peaking in school. He shows a warped version of elementary school events but loved high School despite his parents paid girls to be his friends and neither grew actual friendships to him, just monetary gain
. Says how horrible Bob and the galpals
Which is extra sad when you realize that Chris' peak is basically a foothill in comparison to most others' peaks.
@@BrokenHedgehog
Also his parents likely influenced his “peak” by bargaining with the district
So not very peaked in general.
Chris "peaked" in school because school is not the real world. In school, he got to do the same things every day without ever having to be productive. Teachers looked after him. If he did something wrong, nothing would happen. That's just what school is like for kids with severe behavioral issues. Shit won't truly hit the fan until they're forced to interact with the real world.
If Chris had had better parents, maybe he could've spent his adult life earning a bit of money at a really simple job where adults with severe autism are hired and supported. But his life effectively ended after school since they never made him do anything productive at all.
he peaked in 1st grade LMAO
He never peaked lol. He spent the last 25 years on a lamer version of an already existing character. Whipdy fukcin doo. You have accomplished something a 4 year old could achieve.
thewhitebowser is a predator
Facts
In-dube-tably
Well no shit sherlock
and the sky is blue too
True
Chris chan is basically like an D&D character someone would make if they were bored. But seriously, I've seen, read and heard alot in my 21 years of bring on this planet but Chris Chan Lore tops all of it. His love quest, "Gal Pals", Sonichu Comics (to be fair when I was 11, I did make a spider-man comic about me being a spider-man in Poland but I was fuckin 11 years old!), his politics, all of the Sagas, Idea Guys, Liquid Chris, his parents and so much more. Like Jesus.
"... the principal was a PDFile", cue dramatic music and EDP's head pasted over a principal, PERFECT. XD Another fun vid on more of Chris' BS. XD
Cracked me up pretty good
Chris always being problematic can be chalked up to literally just his parents being complete failures at raising him and the trolls being WAY too aggressive at trolling him. Chris was and will forever be emotionally, intellectually and mentally stunted and no one's to blame but his parents and the trolls. Mostly his parents. They knew he was severely mentally ill and should have never allowed him on the internet.
Chris was a menace long before the trolls got involved. He made a sex pest of himself around school and the Mall, got himself banned from numerous establishments and made enough of a stink at PVCC to get mandatory anger mangement classes. He also made Megan feel uncomfortable and caused trouble at the GAME Place.
Chris was broken well before he encountered his first troll.
@@PlanetZoidstar Yes, I get that, but they certainly didn't help. They only made it worse.
@@DruidicDonkey That I agree with. But ultimately Chris was responsible for choosing to engage with them endlessly.
He could have walked away at any moment but he chose to stick around and let them abuse him. It's not like they had any tangible hold over him that prevented him from cutting all ties with them...
...But I think the abusive environment Chris was born and raised into likely numbed him to just how abusive the trolls really were.
It's also a bit of chrises fault.
There are times people tried warning him about trolls, or some outside force would help him
Yet some how he always comes back to the internet. Don't get me wrong, if Bob cut the internet down years ago none of this would have happened, although Chris isn't completely an innocent victim
@@PlanetZoidstar That's easy to say for someone who has a normally wired brain. We're talking about a medium-functioning autist who had no true friends and thus was lonely and craved attention.
Barb is the true villain, Bob is the victim, Chris is just result. Those two should have never brought Chris into this world.
oh yeah sure like bob wasn't a failure of a parent as well, wasn't there rumors he abused his first children i mean them not coming to his funeral tells me everything i need to know.
@@james656-k8e Clarification, no rumors about him ab*sing his previous 2 children. All we know is their relationship is strained. AKA, maybe his kids grew up and went on to live their own lives. One of his previous children (David) and Chris attended his funeral. Cole didn't.
The rumors of ab*se came from Barb and Jerry. Jerry was Barb's previous partner and Cole's former stepfather. Cole described Bob as having a bitter influence on Barb, he believes that influence encouraged Barb to push Cole away. Which is an understandable feeling when a new person enters your life and has a child with your mother. Yes, it's true he wished to be informed of Bob's de*th so he can celebrate. He did not have a good relationship with Bob, but there are no actual claims of Bob ever ab*sing him.
Bob is an abusive step father (ask smithy)
Bob could have also cut down the internet when he had the chance, kept a closer monitor on chrises internet activity, and not try to fight the education system that's desperately trying to help hes son.
Barb is worse, but Bob is still guilty
@@Mewdo45Incorrect. Cole was already mostly out of the picture by the time Bob even met barb. The abuse Cole was speaking of came at the hands of barb and her previous husband Jerry Harmon Jr. The only known opinion Cole has of Bob was that they met a few times and that he considered Bob a “Republican Kerr”
Barb and Bob are both the same. They were problematic people as parents
Teachers probably "Pinned" Chris down cause Chris said Sonic was better than Mario. If you don't "Wahoo!" When told you get jumped.
The teacher said "This is Mario Country" and then put a tanuki outfit around his neck
Yeah, everyone knows that fact!
At least he could be considered the first Christorian…
You won't beleive how much Chris has documented himself.
We'd have no clue about hes childhood if he didn't upload it to RUclips lol
Chris Chan Lore is this rabbithole I only just fell into; It feels kinda weird as this *is* a real person,and not like some fictional character or setting but it's also like watching a train wreck or a plane crash,it's awful but you cannot look away. Is this normal for people falling into this rabbit hole?
Yeah its normal to learn about chris chan since its out of curiousity. Its only bad if you try to be part of the story of chris intentionally nowadays.
Yeah its normal to learn about chris chan since its out of curiousity. Its only bad if you try to be part of the story of chris intentionally nowadays.
absolutely
Idk I mostly watch because I relate to her struggles and I don’t want to make the same mistakes
@@MrAdamoHonestly, if you have enough self awareness and continue to learn from Chris, you should be okay. Chris is an enigma and he is definitely a unique individual that I doubt most of us would end up like him.
The fact that I live 25 MINUTES from Chris’s old house (branchland ct) is insane ☹️
7:56 so many holes in his story, glad we saw it doesn't add up
His parents saw Forest Gump and thought Chris would miraculously turn out that way if he went a normal school
Saying that we “know and love” Chris doesn’t sound right at all.
I am convinced Ruckersville Virginia is fictional
I live in VA and i only know of it’s existence because of Chris. No one i’ve evr talked to has been there.💀
@@Citrusautomaton Same here.
They limit editing on their Wikipedia page so nobody talks about Chris Chan ☠️
Apparently, he and I went to the same middle school. He was in the sixth grade when I was in the eighth, so I didn’t know him at all. Small world tho, I guess.
Was the principale a homo pdfile?
seeing the molester moon clip unlocked a series of long lost memories
What Chris went through in 4th grade is a very common for autistic children. Staff are trained to do this to children. If they did it to a normal kid they would have all been locked up. This show how much the school system values autistic children.
Well normal kids don't disrupt class ever 5 minutes every day. We had one in my Jr. High school who disrupted class soo much soo often that every one in class (but him) had to come in during summer to do make-up classes just to pass on to the next grade. In my grade school years, a student like that would have been hauled off to the tard room and kept there for the duration of the school year. But by Jr high, that was deemed "abusive" and teachers just had to just let the kid disrupt class.
@@Princess_Celestia_ are you implying that it's ok to pin down autistic children?
@@Princess_Celestia_ Not defending Chris or anything but you know pinning down people could actually kill someone, right?
@@Princess_Celestia_people should really stop using that slur so casually
0:07 trust me, every high school here has that same entrance
It's the Parents fault for not raising Chris Chan the right way in life like they failed him very badly and well look where we are now in today's chris chan. What the world would had been like had Chris Chan gotten helped at a early age.
Chris parents truly failed him, they just did everything that could make their son future worse.
Even though things have improved for special needs students, my parents still had hours and hours of therapy and when I moved, a new therapy would be created where we left off.
I don’t know if Chris’s parents did that, probably too busy fighting the district.
No way that they even bothered. They’d rather pretend he doesn’t have autism than put up with the “shame” of giving him the proper care and attention.
Remember that this was the 80s and the 90s.
as someone who works with kids with IEPs and special programs, Chris very much needed this and his parents withholding that from him due to social stigma is absolutely deplorable.
As they say with the special ed system and CWC… he was fucked if he did and especially fucked if he didnt.
He was fucked from the start
@@Mewdo45 and he fucked in the end
@@Mewdo45 truth is, the game was rigged from the start
Watching this while working on my Finals is very chillaxing (great job as always)
I wonder often what chris's galpals and old teachers think of him now.
I feel like Chris's life wouldn't have gone off the rails if he would of been placed in a special school
Considering how he repeatedly sexually harassed Meghan
I'm 100% sure he'd be desperate to resort to others
Remember - Chris was born in the 80s and went to school in the 80s&90s.
There probably WERE no special schools around - and if they were? Very VERY expensive and was largely based around beating people until they stop making noise and declaring them "Treated" once they learn speaking up earns beatings.
God, the avalanche of “what ifs” in Chris Chan’s story had he been in “Special school” or “special Ed”. As a former student who attended these programs because of my ADHD and Asperger’s, it was very beneficial. In addition to standard academics, I was taught social skills - what was appropriate and what was inappropriate; I was taught how to communicate with people properly, and learned how if I did anything wrong there would be consequences (my teachers - the best in the biz - never sugar-coated such things). Indeed, had Bob and Barbara been sweet talked into the benefits of Chris attending that school we would have had a Chris Chan with a timeline where he didn’t throw a fit over not winning awards in his graduation, where he did not depend on a “love sign” to get a “sweetheart”, where his father didn’t have to bribe girls to being his friends, etc.
Remember that Chris was born in the 80s and grew up in the late 80s-90s. In Rural Virginia.
Back then? Just the idea that someone on the Autism Spectrum is in fact an ACTUAL PERSON was quite an amazing one.
Remember that this was the 80s and the 90s. Attitudes towards Autism were very VERY different than they are now. Mainstreaming was extremely controversial back then. Most "Treatment" was largely "Beat them until they stop making noise - then declare them 'treated' when they stop bugging the grownups". There probably wasn't a "Special school" for Chris to have been sent to.
Source: I lived in the 90s.
Late 90's baby here, I was in special education my whole life, was mainstreamed in classes and I made friends with normal/disabled students, school staff and security officers and they treated me no different. They treated me like a human being... well, except for a few teachers.
@@kc_9970 You're still pretty lucky - though it was far more likely if you were born in the mid-late 90s (because that was when special ed was largely changing)
When Chris was growing up in the 80s and 90s? It was very common for parents to fight diagnoses of things like autism and believe all they neded was to just be beaten.
This smokey and kiwitapes are my life blood
for me it's rogue, wallaby and occasionally smokey, though the latter's usually for daniel larson stuff
Smokey *especially* for his videos on Cyraxx. Some of the funniest lolcow-related stuff I’ve ever seen
I'm a fan of all of them tbh. Along with Club Doom and Sonichu Psychology. The Christuber Avengers.
I recommend going over Chris and his... "writing" skills
the molester moon at 6:41 was a good touch. outstanding work, soldier
Sometimes I wonder if that teacher knows the consequences of limiting copyrighted characters for that assignment.
1:10 a bit cursed to see Bob's head on that of a black man, considering his beliefs.
No matter what the context of the situation is, the school staff pinning down chris and recording his screams is absolutely horrible,cruel and inhumane.
Unfortunately, that’s how most kids with autism were treated around that time
Knowing Chris this was highly overexaggerated.
Chances are he was having a complete freak out and they had to hold him down in order to stop him from hurting others or himself.
They could have also video taped hes screams as evidence for Chris needing help
and it didn't happen
8:53 The 'tardiness was too great to handle
Always happy to see Wallaby upload!
What's sad/funny/crazy is that they were afraid everyone was was in cahoots against them except the people who actually were and brainwashed Chris into believing in alternate realities
Wallaby’s archive my beloved
I fucking angry at the fact Bob and Barbra act and pretend that theirs nothing wrong with Chris and refuse to put him in a school with a special ed program. Another case of shitty parenting.
Remember - Chris was born in the 80s.
Schools with special ed programs back then were either
a) Very expensive private schools that only became worse once Reagan was ravaging the landscape
b) Ran on outdated material
c) "Treatment" Was largely "Beat the kids - then declare them 'treated' once they stop making noise."
I think keeping Chris out of those "special" schools was a dire mistake on his parents' part. One of many.
Compulsory education is an abomination. Chris could've bgeen a happy farmer without the influence of school smh. to be fair.
Considering all the work that goes into being a farmer, I doubt it.
@@Red-jt6uu
I think you would be surprised.
If he was farming from childhood he would have gotten used to it. He would have even learnt to enjoy it. He would have a good work ethic today but instead he had to be pumped through a system that couldn't meet his needs or even give him anything that valuable since he couldn't really receive the education due to his disability.
@@pinkdiamond1847farming isn't a substitute for meeting his needs 💀
@@pinkdiamond1847 For him to be farming since childhood, it would require Borb to actually own a farm. Barb would probably think the farm life is beneath her and Bob probably would not be interested in spending his retirement farming. Perhaps some members of his extended family owned a farm, but Borb have burned too many bridges by that point to approach their relatives to ask if they would let their kid be a farm hand for them.
In addition, Bob initially had high hopes that Chris would be technologically-oriented such as himself and figured that schooling was the more natural route anyway.
Either way, Borb could have still instilled a work ethic in Chis by insisting he work as soon as he is legally able to at a simple job such as bagging groceries like many disabled adults do. However, they convinced Chris that being a leech on the government was preferable to actually working.
In short, would growing up on a farm help? Probably. The issue is that Borb were not the right people to teach Chris the value of hard work, so even if they did have a farm, they probably would have still spoiled Chris anyway.
@@Red-jt6uu Nah, I have seen some borderline retarded farmhands over here. One of them even believed the joke that chocolate milk came from brown cows, yet was caring for horses. -_o
Good video mate
Thanks for the effort you put into these videos! Makes my day entertaining while cleaning
He is still fairly high functioning, and these type of group home institutions usually are for lower functioning people than him. He definitely needed more institutional help, but the most obviously effective intervention would be more and different kinds of drugs
This is my subjective opinion:
I think Chris may have perceived school like what he saw in his cartoons, like Magic School Bus.
There wasn't anyone in particular in Chris's life, so where is he going to learn about the outside world? From the TV, from his Saturday morning cartoons. And Chris is an 80s baby, he's a very early Gen-Y. So cartoons back then almost always had to have a PSA "remember kids, winners don't do drugs"
Your video was very well put together, and well informative. Keep it up.
Can you imagine Chris at Oxford?
Imagine an interaction between Chris and Andrew Ditch....
I normally don’t wish this, but this is one of the few times that a child should’ve been taken away from their parents because his parents failed him so horribly
3:07 that is a nice sweater
I've heard the recordings and the principal clearly says "no homo" when he starts holding him down.
Chris Chan should be used as an example to show all parents what happens when you let your kid become terminally online.
To think Chris could’ve been at a special needs school makes me think that this is truly the worst timeline for him, not having his issues specially cared for by someone qualified to do so has probably made him the way he was.
Can’t believe he attended the same school as NASCAR driver Denny Hamlin
Hello Wallaby, hope you have a good weekend!
4:15 what is a „Hall Neuadd“ and why is it’s door almost completely blocked by lockers?
Chris Chan more like Chicken in a Pan.
Do Chris and food
It's very scary but accurate
1:08 jokes aside, the image is what all good parents should do
Why
that's a retirement home speedrun with extra steps
9:55 if Chris actually had crystal
why is this so fascinating?
As someone who has been in similar situations to Chris, I got to side with him. I totally believe the abuse story. I don’t know if it as SA, however I have been pinned down before, and I’ve seen kids with mental disabilities get abused by staff. Barb and Bob had no business having a kid that late in life, they were bringing a child into this world who they were ill equipped to handle and who the world would treat harshly.
This makes me very upset learning how close he and I share the same state (save me)
This is too depressing why am I watching this?
what is that one clip where they're holding the fidget cube and looking away, what are they doing there
Trying to move it with his mind
What was she trying to do with the fidget cube?
Hundreds of years from now people will recoil to discover the history of Chris Chan.
piedmont virginity is a slip😂
Hpw the hell bro s tehnically more educated than i am
chris
Come back!
I miss you :(
chris was right about everything
rip wallaby
henlo
@@WallabysArchive sometimes i can still hear his voice 😔
I wonder what it would be like if Chris Chan made his own alphabet and number system? Is he even smart enough to know that Ten isn't even the only number base in existence? In his brain I feel like if you showed him a base 60 number system it would go miles over his head, his base Ten bias would kick in and he would look at it like an incomplete shorthand for base 10 because of his over simplified mindset. In his naive way of thinking a symbol for 33 followed by a 0 can only be 330, if you said the number was actually 1980, he would laugh at you and say you don't know math, even though he's the one that really doesn't. His pseudo-critique of a base 60 number system would be that there is no double zero digit, and that the numbers don't go up to 99, which defeats the entire purpose.
Thewhitebowswer is a predator
Not that it'll happen but i would love to hear your thoughts on what would happen to Chris if he had gone to prison and what would had happened to him
What does this have to do with whitebowser
how do people have his medical records to show off to the internet?
He posts everything
Also some people went through his trash aftee the house fire and find some personal documents.
NEW VIDEO PLS
soon my firend, let me cook
What name of his chancel
How obsessed with you with one bum lmao
YES
I got the reference🌚
As bad as Chris’ parents were, i can’t really fault them for not sending Chris to special education. Simply put, they had no idea about the things we know now.
Borb were Southerners. They have a mindset of a hillbilly
NICE
4:36
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As a former teacher myself, I am mostly opposed to mainstreaming a lot of these kids. The whole concept of mainstreaming became a "thing" with Bush's "No Child Left Behind" initiative, a series of educational changes that has caused veteran teachers to break down into tears -- it was THAT bad. And it was.
When you put highly disruptive, "mentally challenged," and socially maladaptive children into a regular classroom, what happens is that everyone in the class loses, on average, an entire letter grade. This is because the truly intelligent, gifted students get bored -- because the work has to be scaled back so the least common IQ can understand and complete it. What might be a massive, sweat-inducing challenge to one student is stupidly easy for another ... thus the students with fairly high intellects start doing poorly because they no longer pay attention and do other things to try and stave off the boredom. Meanwhile, the kids who were mainstreamed are barely hanging on and not doing particularly well because the mainstream work is simply beyond them -- for various reasons.
The end result is that everyone loses. The smart kids lose because there's no more challenge in the work they do ... and the not-so-smart kids lose because even the most rudimentary "mainstream" work and textbooks are beyond their abilities. Even the teachers lose -- because they have to somehow blend everyone together despite wildly varying levels of ability. Bush's NCLB initiative was awful because it pretended as if every child was essentially the same - not to mention its over-reliance on standardized tests so that teachers essentially "taught the test" rather than being allowed to make the class more interesting. I know SOME people think teachers already make too much because of getting summers off and long holiday vacations. But I can attest that during the school year, teachers don't get to come home and relax. Between grading papers, reading essays, writing up lesson plans, creating tests, coming up with often independent workloads for each student, a teacher can literally spend their entire off hours working on paperwork that technically they don't get paid for. It's as if they work a double-shift. They just work the 2nd shift from home. But they're still working.
Yeah, I'm not familiar with working in the education system in the slightest, but the more I hear about NCLB the more I'm flabbergasted as to how that ever happened
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Not sure why another exploitive drama channel showed up in my feed.. but I'll say chris chan was kind of unlucky to be raised by parents who have no idea how to act like emotionally mature & responsible adults.
Stuff like that disappoint & sometimes infuriates me 🤦
This makes me wish that there was some kind of special or required license/permit just like how we need a driver's license as proof you had proper training & are responsible enough to drive & own a car but for people who want to have children.
They'll have to check for your psychological, emotional & social well-being if you are fit enough to have & raise kids because i think some people just aren't really cut at being parents.
Also i believe it could be beneficial for the planet to reduce overpopulation & environmental related issues.
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