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because of the huger (v)RAM (max 128gb) this machine is a beast for deep learning inference. Could you do a test that compares the performance of between the binned model and the full model for machine learning inference? You could use open source models like llama using LLM studio
I would love to see more focus on the timeline experience in video editing. Davinci shows the number of frames that are displayed during playback - which could help bring the numbers to support the test. Exports are usually a "set and walk away" for most users, so render differences are not that important. Timeline experience is by far the most interesting one. It's great that you've touched briefly on it, but many of us would love to see even more on the topic. Also coming back to your other videos it would be great to see which config you'd pick as the optimal one for the 14". Personally, I like that form factor so much more than the chunky 16, but I wouldn't want to waste my money by getting a spec that is choked by the temps. Is there anything in particular that you could recommend to get the most performance out of the 14"?
Yeah, timeline scrubbing in Premiere Pro and Davinci on say a 10mins project with effects added, that is what I'd love to know about. I ordered the 16inch macbook pro base model but would upgrade if timeline scrubbing was noticeably better on the max
I would agree that working on timelines, playback etc for various codec’s would be great. That by far is more important than render times. I would suggest video codecs such as Arri Raw, RED Raw 8K and 6K, canon raw - basically a number of raw codecs on timelines with and without effects etc. timeline playback would be more interesting for these two 16” as well as the 14” for these video timeline tests. Keep up the great work guys!!!
we need this, most computers can't handle a lot of effects live in full res like denoising, glow, and grain in resolve esp with 6k or 8k raw RED footage@@wrenboy2726
I just got a new work machine ordered by my employer. They always order a standard config for us devs, and it's currently the base M3 Max 14". First I was a bit worried because I heard that the M3 Max 14" gets hot and loud pretty quickly. Now I'm really happy and really looking forward to my new machine! Especially after seeing that its compile speeds are a huge upgrade compared to the M2 Max and M3 Pro, but only marginally slower than the maxed-out M3 Max. This will be a massive upgrade from my current 16" i9!
I think this is the question everybody freaking asking, and nobody has the answer to. M3 max with 30 GPU cores in the 14 inch is what EVERYONE is asking for. Specifically comparing it to the m3 max 40 core GPU
All the results were 20-25% better, but some benchmarks you said were like “waaay faster/bigger”, and some were “just 5 seconds”, as if the difference is smaller))
I think the 16 core model is definitely worth it. For $500 more you get 12 extra gbs of memory, 2 extra cpu cores, 10 extra gpu cores and a faster memory bandwidth at 400gb/s compared to 300 gb/s
Sure that sounds nice on paper. However, the real-world performance numbers showed it didn’t really make that much of a difference. Yes, it’s faster. But not fast enough to justify a $500 spend.
@@MaxTechOfficial The biggest question I keep seeing over and over in many video comments is will the binned version on the 14" make a big difference in noise / heat / battery.
328 vs 275 is quite a difference. Most electronic music production sessions are around a 100-to-130 tracks but extra cores will help with running more plugins so long as they're instantiated on their own respective tracks. That's why I ordered the full fat Max with 16 cores. CPU is most important for my workflow with RAM being second.
Depending on what DAW you use a majority of them (ex Logic, Pro Tools and a couple others)Daws dont use all the cores and currently the developers are not providing any info if they ever will.
I’m planning to upgrade as well. I currently got the 16inch MacBook with the I7 intel CPU. This shit is straight trash. The fans are literally turning up while just watching RUclips videos. I‘m using it for music production. For mixing and mastering pop songs & HipHop Songs with a lot of plugins. Tbh I rarely get over 20-25 tracks though since I don’t produce electronic music. So the 14c/30c M3 Max should be enough right? What y’all think?
@@boganx1291 no problems at all, use fan software if temps bother you but performance does not suffer for me. If I ever want totally silent operation I just run it in low power mode and it’s whisper quiet while still being very performant. But even in automatic it never gets loud really. I use it to code (docker sql instance, parallels for windows forms, vs code in Mac) and play ffxiv/wow does all that easily (even in low power mode).
Another helpful video to weed through Apple's consumer chicanery lol. Also, glad to see the Canon 8K playback test again. It's sad more reviewers don't touch on this. Scrubbing through the timeline, moving clips around, stopping and starting clips to mark intro and exit points - that's real life editing. Exporting is good to know, but I feel like computer have made significant enough strides in this regard that it's not as big a deal as it was on the Intel Macs.
the 16-core processor uses more energy, but it also finishes faster and stay more time in idle. That's the reason for the difference in battery consumption.
I appreciate the Logic Pro tests, this has been the test I’ve been waiting for. That difference was far greater than I was expecting so has made my decision thank you!
I've decided to go for the M3 Max with a 16-core CPU and 40 GPU cores, featuring 48 GB of RAM, due to the higher memory capacity. This configuration costs an additional $500. I spent a lot of time considering my options, but I'm completely satisfied with this setup. Also, it's worth mentioning that he's the only one who makes such videos, and they really help with making the right choice.
@@chuckaeronut yeah, that is clear. I’m interested in the price/performance ratio. Here in Europe the difference is up to 600 Euro, which is a lot. Most probably the max is a better option altogether, but still - interesting.
As a PhD in Computer Engineering, the space-black colored base M3Max with 36 GB of DDR5 RAM is fine for my needs. With discounts, I acquired it for $1800--M1Max trade-in plus $500 of my Apple Cash. For mobile work, M3Max is a beast. For gaming, I'm still rolling with a LG - UltraGear 45” OLED Curved WQHD 240Hz 0.03ms FreeSync and NVIDIA G-Sync Compatible Gaming Monitor with HDR10 monitor, a W11 desktop, and a 4090.
Performance is an interesting subject. Sometimes it really matters and sometimes not really. It all comes down to time and if that time means money. What I mean is when working with video one has to really balance how much of a benefit saving a few minutes really is per project. We spend most of our time importing, organizing, cutting, grading and telling a story when we edit. Exporting typically represents a small portion of the overall time spent on a project. If a video takes 30 minutes to export vs 25 minutes that isn't really going to make or break the project. It's rare to need to save those extra couple of minutes. Obviously a tight deadline situation is a factor like putting together an edit at 4:00 for the 5:00 news. Thats not a common situation however and saving a minute isn't likely going to matter much for that deadline or a short form piece like that. Same for 3D rendering. If a long project is going to take 8 hours to render then only taking 7 hours isn't likely going to have a huge impact on the delivery of that project. In both cases one just lets it run overnight. More speed is always welcome of course but 3D impact darts to be measured more by 2x, 3x, 4x performance for real world benefits and not small incremental differences of 5% to 20%. I rarely max out the Mac computers anymore because they cost a premium and rarely have much real world impact on earning money and getting tasks done. It's more for bragging rights. Each new generation will end up being faster anyway. Thats why I get a more mid tier Mac and trade them in every 2-3 years while they still have decent trade in value.
great tests! It's cool to see the binned M3 max make less noise. I'd like to see how 16 inch M3 pro compares to that low power M3 max though in terms of fan speed and temps to make a final decision.
I think Maxtech missed the point this time. Yes the speed difference is not that big. However apple understood that and only allowed 36 gb vs 96gb as the next upgrade. For people who need more ram, the 16 core option is better since for $500 it includes 2 extra P cores, 10 gpu cores, and 12 gb ram. Then you can upgrade to 64gb / 96 gb / 128 gb ram so people who want more upgrade options can get them. Also people like me use parallels for virtual windows desktop and requires at least 32 gb of ram dedication for any decent performance so 64 gb ram works the best.
I am also curious the type of workloads you are doing in parallels. My motivation is not to need two laptops. I am planning on getting 48gb, and using ~24gb for windows for several 'large' visual studio win form projects + iis + Sql server in parallels - two 4K monitors. Being unified memory on the mac, the 32 gb always looked a bit too small, and the 48GB seems about perfect for my needs (with IDE's, docker, adobe, etc.), i can shut down parallels when needing more ram for adobe.
Doing more medicine related ML / AI tasks like analyzing imaging. If you just bought the 36 gb model and you dedicated half or 18 gb to windows, any windows machine with 18 gb will stall heavily let alone running in parallels. Trust me 18 gb is not a smooth experience and if you want to future proof this huge investment you need higher ram as 32 gb ram will be the minimum is a few years
@@mochatheaustralianlabradoo7316 Yes, 16 gb was never enough on dedicated windows machines from years past (for my needs) - thanks. Considering going from 48 to 64 gb (although 48 is enough for my current needs)
I only really need the binned Max model, but really need the 64gb of ram. The forced upgrading of the CPU to get 64gb irks me a bit as going to 96gb with the binned chip is more expensive than getting the full fat chip with 64gb.
I feel that you need a new or extra Lightroom test. Need to see how long AI noise reduction takes as that is so damn slow. Also using the masking brush tool to see how it lags. Export is a set and forget task which doesn’t really show workflow.
Would you rather take the 14 core cpu with 96gb ram or the 16 core cpu with 64gb ram. I am an architect and mostly have to work with cad programs, 3d files, illustrator and renderings. Again a very nice video! thank you!
As backend software dev its the M3 Max 14 cores for me. I don't need the greatest graphics and a few seconds build/compile time difference doesn't matter that much. I also like to work on a wider screen so 14inch is out of the picture even though it will save me a bit. For game devs maybe investing in the 16cores M3 Max will benefit you in the long run. Thanks for the video.
You need to add Topaz Video Benchmark for AI comparative performance. For example how long takes X machine to upscale 1080p to 4k in proteus auto, and you can use the same clip always to reference.
The $500 cost shouldn’t be of concern to professionals who understand how the cost will be amortized based on their utilization rate as a factor of projected usable lifespan (of the 16c/40c MBP M3 Max). It would be foolish for even a marginally successful contractor or business concern not to spend the additional $500!!
Have you thought about adding any game to regular testing? Games on the Mac are becoming more and more relevant, you can already play such AAA titles as Resident Evil 8, lies of pi and Baldur's Gate 3
I'm a gamer that does work - I went with the 40. That FPS difference is MASSIVE. In time as more demanding games arrive, that FPS is going to make all the difference when you're above 60fps or below 60fps. In a few years, you're going to wish you paid that extra $500.
I make music but I'm no professional by any means. Can someone confirm whether it's practical to consider the test used in this video? I feel like even with beats I've made that were complex I would have 20 tracks at most. On the higher end maybe some artists would use 50, 75? But 270+??! What music would have that many tracks in one song?
@@nasprods789I think unless you’re doing orchestral production there’s really no scenario where you’d be using 300 tracks. However this is a good way to show that there IS a measureable difference. I may only use 10-50 tracks but, once I start adding multiple plugins/efx per track and need lower latency for live performance/tracking, you will likely start to find the limits of your hardware. It’s nice to give your system a little headroom especially if you plan on keeping this 5-10 years, especially as newer software releases become more demanding.
I don’t know if you guys have the time to do it, but I’d love to see a comparison like this between a maxed out M1 Max and the binned M3 Max too see if it’s worth upgrading or if the M1 Max still holds its own.
If you have an M1 Max and your usage is not specifically making you money for every minute you're operating then the M1 is more than sufficient. Also, you can buy a 2nd-hand M1 Max for way less than **half** of the price of a new M3 Max. So, you do the math....
Looking for a 16” M3 Max for gaming and learning to code. Best Buy has both models on sale for $3000. That’s $500 off for the 36gb Ram and $1000 off on the 48gb Ram. Any suggestions?
But… you also get more fan noise! And, when working hard, you don’t want that. It’s almost like fan noise and power are correlated. Omg how horrible. Fan noise 😂
Watched this after I bought the binned model. Great video!!!! I didn't even know 8k was a thing lol-I don't think I will be maxing anything out for a while...
I feel like the ram upgrade is what's making more of a diff! Unless you are doing something that is using 100% of the CPU and GPU.....then the extra cores won't make a diff. But doubling the ram so each core can have access to more ram..... That makes a huge diff! So I would like to see a comparison with both having the 40+ gigs of ram.
Wow nice review, i got the base model M3max 16 and glad i didnt go crazy with going after the the top end one. I use it for photography and the occasional videos. I am coming from a 2021 M1pro 14 and 16 inch Intel Mac
@Frankie_G_ so any apple silicon chip is going to be great for strictly audio files only, but if you're also using multiple CPU hungry plugins eg synths like Diva or Synplant, or multiple instances of granular or convolution reverbs or advanced EQs, best to go with something Iike M2 pro or greater. If work a lot with large sample based libraries like say spitfire audio, you're going to need much more RAM as well, and at least a 'pro' chip. If you do all of the above like I do, at least a 'max' or 'ultra type chip is a must, a base 'M' chip will struggle with heavy workloads though it certainly can be done with some workarounds. Audio production is one of the things that demands a LOT of speed in the CPU, and higher single core speeds is better than slower multi-threaded ones - so M3 chips are absolute Godsends, as you can do TONS on the base chip alone. If you look at one of Max Tech's M3 videos you'll see that when they did the logic test it was the only time that they had heard the fans come on up to that point - audio processing needs a fast CPU, M3 and above are the answers to every producer and audio engineers dreams! Edit - the model I'm going with is a m3 max 14' with 64gb memory and 4tb of storage as I keep my sample libraries on the laptop for portability and so I can install a Metric tonne of plugins! Haha 😄
@MaxTechOfficial Keep up the great work you guys! 👏 You're absolutely killing it and I have made much MUCH better choices for myself and MANY others because of your in depth testing, knowledge and reviews!
@@jonathannelson5899 Thanks brotha lol awesome. Ya M3 all the way, stoked to upgrade as Im still using Intel. So you'll be going with the 16 core version? Was trying to decide if I wanted to the 14 core or 16 core he showing here. Mainly thinking about fan noise, seemed the 14 core did slightly better with fan noise because of heat but with 16 eventually ramping down. Your thoughts on that? Should I just get best I can and go with 16? Thanks
Hi Instead of doing only rendering test in DCC Software, can you test the playback of a camera animation in the Blenderor Cinema 4D scene you’ve used in the demo ? When doing 3D graphics we don’t render all the time but much more move in scene, check animation deformers and such ?
Exactly what I am thinking of getting. Coming from the M1 Pro... Moving up to the M3 Max (Base model). Oh... Can you do a comparison please please please. M1 Pro vs M3 Max base model. Thank you! THANK YOU!
Thanks for this video. I bought the 14 core version and love it. Nice to see I made a good choice on not going with the 16 core. This is a huge upgrade over my 2019 Intel MacBook Pro. Keep up the good work.
Hi Jeff, you use Adobe Premiere for video edit? If yes, the render time and performance is very differente of the old Intel 2019? I have one of this and i’m planning to upgrade next year. Thanks bro! 🙏
Jeff, have you found that you hear the fans running on your 30 GPU core M3 Max? I’m considering the 16” version and wondering if it will run quiet for music production (CPU intensive stuff).
Hi Max about video editing: I'm not sure how many time lines there were in the FCPX. IMHO the best way to test the performance/stress of the Mac is: Using Davinci Resolve editing a 4+ timelines of 4K+ videos and then export to an H264/H265 final product -- the FPS at delivery and time estimate for the delivery shows how good your Mac is at video editing because IMO the exporting process stresses the computer the most - CPU-wise and GPU-wise.
What is loaded on the Logic tracks? Kontakt libraries? Serum? Any vst fx? Or just plain audio? Because that alone can make a huge difference. Being media composer on a budget it may seem the best option would be binned version and to spend the extra money on 96gb memory (useful for those orchestral behemoth VSTis). Yet since I don't know anything about what is on those tracks, the test is not as useful as it could be.
Please test the M3 max 14 cores vs M3 pro 12 cores on 14 inch, to see if the max still throttles or not and the M3 pro still is the best choice for 14 inch size. This could help many to decide which is the best configuration for their macbooks pro (many, me included, doesnt want something big like 16 inch mbp). Thanks !
Does it run pretty quiet in everyday use? How about CPU intensive stuff? I’m considering the MacBook model you bought for audio production (Logic Pro).
I bought the binned version, as my older 2018 intel was running so slow, you don't realise the difference until you see them side by side, my friends Air M2 runs much faster downloading large photo files, id say if you need one buy one don't get FOMO, the next generation will be faster and even faster with a M6 in due time
I was waiting for this video, thanks! I happy to see the 30 core runs quieter. For music production (Logic Pro) I appreciate this! For the next video I’d like to see the binned 16” M3 Max 30 core GPU vs the unbinned 16” M3 Pro (or even M2 Pro) to see how much of a difference there is in fan noise. Thanks!
can you test the bandwith somehow? 100 - 150 and 200gb/s should be a difference ... not always the ram for cpu/gpu-count. Some say stick with the M1 as it has more bandwidth internally
Fantastic video! I really appreciate the thorough comparison you've provided. If possible, could you also include a comparison involving LLM(Large Language Models) generation and Stable Diffusion image creations? It would be incredibly helpful. Thank you!
I hope I get a response before this day gets started. I bought the 14inch MacBookPro M3Max with the following specs! 14 Core CPU, 30 Core GPU, 36GB of unified memory. I believe = max 300GB/‘s memory bandwidth. My question is this.,. I will ONLY use this laptop for editing 1080p and some 4k files (drone footage) maybe some 4k DSLR footage as well with a lot of 3rd party plug in’s for Final Cut Pro X like Titles, Generators, Effects and transitioning etc… should I return this product and upgrade to 64 GB of unified memory with 16 core CPU and 40core GPU? Which by the way would = Max 400GB/s memory bandwidth! OH and does 14” vs 16” make a difference with the same exact specs? Thank you in advance.
14 inch with the 16 core max m3 turns into a furnace . If you’re basically expecting a desktop replacement you have to go with the 16 inch if you want to have the computer to last for more than 2-3 years as the thermal cycles are more extreme
You should do these same tests without being in high performance mode. Apple says high performance mode is far more aggressive in cooling, which leads to higher fan noise. What do these machines do in auto mode?
Been super happy with my 16" M1 Pro which I'm handing down to my daughter... was trying to be sensible this time around as well but couldn't help myself. At least BB is having really good deals at the moment so I saved $650 on the base 16 core M3 Max (there were rebates on pretty much the entire line-up).
Could your include a test for training and inference of ML models (LLMs and LMMs in particular)? I would be very interested in the performance difference. This is particularly relevant to me, as a 20% time difference in a 20/30 seconds test would mean a lot, if I run a training of inference for multiple hours. And yes, I would usually do this on a different machine, but sometimes I need to do this on the go. Thanks a lot for the comparison!
You should really do some 3D modeling testing. This is something that is hard to find. Specially, now with the mesh acceleration. I can hook you up with the files if you want. I have them for rhino and Maya. In those workflows, the biggest thing is for your treaty model to stutter while you were manipulating it.
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because of the huger (v)RAM (max 128gb) this machine is a beast for deep learning inference. Could you do a test that compares the performance of between the binned model and the full model for machine learning inference? You could use open source models like llama using LLM studio
Hi guys. Are the gloves work with touchscreens accurately?
I would love to see more focus on the timeline experience in video editing. Davinci shows the number of frames that are displayed during playback - which could help bring the numbers to support the test. Exports are usually a "set and walk away" for most users, so render differences are not that important. Timeline experience is by far the most interesting one. It's great that you've touched briefly on it, but many of us would love to see even more on the topic.
Also coming back to your other videos it would be great to see which config you'd pick as the optimal one for the 14". Personally, I like that form factor so much more than the chunky 16, but I wouldn't want to waste my money by getting a spec that is choked by the temps. Is there anything in particular that you could recommend to get the most performance out of the 14"?
I would look forward to seeing results for the 14 inch M3 Pro MB Pro 12/18 with particular interest in thermal / fan noise performance.
Yeah, timeline scrubbing in Premiere Pro and Davinci on say a 10mins project with effects added, that is what I'd love to know about. I ordered the 16inch macbook pro base model but would upgrade if timeline scrubbing was noticeably better on the max
I would agree that working on timelines, playback etc for various codec’s would be great. That by far is more important than render times. I would suggest video codecs such as Arri Raw, RED Raw 8K and 6K, canon raw - basically a number of raw codecs on timelines with and without effects etc. timeline playback would be more interesting for these two 16” as well as the 14” for these video timeline tests.
Keep up the great work guys!!!
Precisely. No one cares if it takes 4 or 5 more mins to render. The actual EDITING experience needs to be buttery.
we need this, most computers can't handle a lot of effects live in full res like denoising, glow, and grain in resolve esp with 6k or 8k raw RED footage@@wrenboy2726
I just got a new work machine ordered by my employer. They always order a standard config for us devs, and it's currently the base M3 Max 14". First I was a bit worried because I heard that the M3 Max 14" gets hot and loud pretty quickly. Now I'm really happy and really looking forward to my new machine! Especially after seeing that its compile speeds are a huge upgrade compared to the M2 Max and M3 Pro, but only marginally slower than the maxed-out M3 Max. This will be a massive upgrade from my current 16" i9!
So far so good?
@@nickb5091 SO WHAT!
Got my 14-core Max shipped to me today. Feel great about the purchase, it'll still last many years.
Wish you would have tested both Max variants in the 14-inch form factor to compare thermals and fan acoustics.
I also interested mainly in the 14-inch 30 vs 40 core, because there the thermals are at the limits
I think this is the question everybody freaking asking, and nobody has the answer to. M3 max with 30 GPU cores in the 14 inch is what EVERYONE is asking for. Specifically comparing it to the m3 max 40 core GPU
I returned my 14 inch binned m3 max for the 16 inch because it was so easy to get the fans going
@@qooqleminus4742 oh that's a bad sign... I hoped it improved from M2 Max binned > M3 Max binned
@@qooqleminus4742 how easy are you talking about, like light-medium use or when you were really hammering the thing?
*The only advantage the unbinned version has is in gaming performance. 31% more frames.*
When Mac has not much game on it anyway. So no difference
All the results were 20-25% better, but some benchmarks you said were like “waaay faster/bigger”, and some were “just 5 seconds”, as if the difference is smaller))
I think the 16 core model is definitely worth it. For $500 more you get 12 extra gbs of memory, 2 extra cpu cores, 10 extra gpu cores and a faster memory bandwidth at 400gb/s compared to 300 gb/s
On 16” definitely but on 14” it’s interesting if 14/30 will run cooler and quieter as the 16/40 is not a good user experience and it heat throttles.
@@DigiDriftZone Oh yeah, on the 14" get the binned version for sure
I would happily trade a bit of performance for quieter operation.
Sure that sounds nice on paper. However, the real-world performance numbers showed it didn’t really make that much of a difference. Yes, it’s faster. But not fast enough to justify a $500 spend.
@@MaxTechOfficial The biggest question I keep seeing over and over in many video comments is will the binned version on the 14" make a big difference in noise / heat / battery.
Let’s see the unbinned M1 Pro vs M2 pro vs M3 pro 14 inch MacBook Pro. I thinks that’s one of the most applicable comparisons we want to see
Binned means better. Stop using it wrongly like the clown in this video who decided to use words he doesn't understand.
328 vs 275 is quite a difference. Most electronic music production sessions are around a 100-to-130 tracks but extra cores will help with running more plugins so long as they're instantiated on their own respective tracks. That's why I ordered the full fat Max with 16 cores. CPU is most important for my workflow with RAM being second.
That extra ~20% will make a big difference. I think I will be getting this too
Depending on what DAW you use a majority of them (ex Logic, Pro Tools and a couple others)Daws dont use all the cores and currently the developers are not providing any info if they ever will.
I’m planning to upgrade as well. I currently got the 16inch MacBook with the I7 intel CPU. This shit is straight trash. The fans are literally turning up while just watching RUclips videos.
I‘m using it for music production. For mixing and mastering pop songs & HipHop Songs with a lot of plugins.
Tbh I rarely get over 20-25 tracks though since I don’t produce electronic music.
So the 14c/30c M3 Max should be enough right?
What y’all think?
@@kma997 Yep for sure. It's the better choice as well. 30gpu cores should keep things nice, cool and quiet.
Curious to see 14 ‘ 14/30 vs 16/40. I’ve ordered the 14’ 16/40. But will be nice to compare the two, no one has done it yet.
yes i agree would like to see that comparison - i got the 14/30
Hey how it is your 16/40 14"
@@boganx1291 no problems at all, use fan software if temps bother you but performance does not suffer for me. If I ever want totally silent operation I just run it in low power mode and it’s whisper quiet while still being very performant. But even in automatic it never gets loud really.
I use it to code (docker sql instance, parallels for windows forms, vs code in Mac) and play ffxiv/wow does all that easily (even in low power mode).
@@boganx1291I think he’s now cooking on it😅
Another helpful video to weed through Apple's consumer chicanery lol. Also, glad to see the Canon 8K playback test again. It's sad more reviewers don't touch on this. Scrubbing through the timeline, moving clips around, stopping and starting clips to mark intro and exit points - that's real life editing. Exporting is good to know, but I feel like computer have made significant enough strides in this regard that it's not as big a deal as it was on the Intel Macs.
All that I care is about 8k from Canon. That’s my heaviest task
the 16-core processor uses more energy, but it also finishes faster and stay more time in idle. That's the reason for the difference in battery consumption.
I appreciate the Logic Pro tests, this has been the test I’ve been waiting for. That difference was far greater than I was expecting so has made my decision thank you!
Does increasing the amount of ram affect the number of tracks it can handle?
@@arfythat would have had a big effect because of the increased ram yes :)
@@arfyram, performance cores, and SSD bandwidth all play a role.
you will never ever come close to 100 tracks so it's doesn't really matter
@@bartekxoxo3641 some of those who score films can easily approach 100 tracks
I've decided to go for the M3 Max with a 16-core CPU and 40 GPU cores, featuring 48 GB of RAM, due to the higher memory capacity. This configuration costs an additional $500. I spent a lot of time considering my options, but I'm completely satisfied with this setup. Also, it's worth mentioning that he's the only one who makes such videos, and they really help with making the right choice.
I just couldn't justify cracking the $4k barrier. I went with the 14/30 . I envy you though 😊
i went with the same , nice bit of kit
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How about unbinned M3 Pro vs binned M3 Max comparison ? These will be probably the models to buy, so it is interesting to compare.
Unbinned M3 Pro will be eaten alive by binned M3 Max. Just look at the core counts: 6p6e vs 10p4e. It won't even be close!
@@chuckaeronut yeah, that is clear. I’m interested in the price/performance ratio. Here in Europe the difference is up to 600 Euro, which is a lot. Most probably the max is a better option altogether, but still - interesting.
As a PhD in Computer Engineering, the space-black colored base M3Max with 36 GB of DDR5 RAM is fine for my needs. With discounts, I acquired it for $1800--M1Max trade-in plus $500 of my Apple Cash. For mobile work, M3Max is a beast. For gaming, I'm still rolling with a LG - UltraGear 45” OLED Curved WQHD 240Hz 0.03ms FreeSync and NVIDIA G-Sync Compatible Gaming Monitor with HDR10 monitor, a W11 desktop, and a 4090.
Performance is an interesting subject. Sometimes it really matters and sometimes not really. It all comes down to time and if that time means money.
What I mean is when working with video one has to really balance how much of a benefit saving a few minutes really is per project. We spend most of our time importing, organizing, cutting, grading and telling a story when we edit. Exporting typically represents a small portion of the overall time spent on a project. If a video takes 30 minutes to export vs 25 minutes that isn't really going to make or break the project. It's rare to need to save those extra couple of minutes.
Obviously a tight deadline situation is a factor like putting together an edit at 4:00 for the 5:00 news. Thats not a common situation however and saving a minute isn't likely going to matter much for that deadline or a short form piece like that.
Same for 3D rendering. If a long project is going to take 8 hours to render then only taking 7 hours isn't likely going to have a huge impact on the delivery of that project. In both cases one just lets it run overnight. More speed is always welcome of course but 3D impact darts to be measured more by 2x, 3x, 4x performance for real world benefits and not small incremental differences of 5% to 20%.
I rarely max out the Mac computers anymore because they cost a premium and rarely have much real world impact on earning money and getting tasks done. It's more for bragging rights. Each new generation will end up being faster anyway. Thats why I get a more mid tier Mac and trade them in every 2-3 years while they still have decent trade in value.
great tests! It's cool to see the binned M3 max make less noise. I'd like to see how 16 inch M3 pro compares to that low power M3 max though in terms of fan speed and temps to make a final decision.
Please test the MacBooks on low power mode. The M3 Pro is the ONLY model with 6 efficiency cores. Battery life must be insane
I think Maxtech missed the point this time. Yes the speed difference is not that big. However apple understood that and only allowed 36 gb vs 96gb as the next upgrade. For people who need more ram, the 16 core option is better since for $500 it includes 2 extra P cores, 10 gpu cores, and 12 gb ram. Then you can upgrade to 64gb / 96 gb / 128 gb ram so people who want more upgrade options can get them. Also people like me use parallels for virtual windows desktop and requires at least 32 gb of ram dedication for any decent performance so 64 gb ram works the best.
I am also curious the type of workloads you are doing in parallels. My motivation is not to need two laptops. I am planning on getting 48gb, and using ~24gb for windows for several 'large' visual studio win form projects + iis + Sql server in parallels - two 4K monitors. Being unified memory on the mac, the 32 gb always looked a bit too small, and the 48GB seems about perfect for my needs (with IDE's, docker, adobe, etc.), i can shut down parallels when needing more ram for adobe.
Doing more medicine related ML / AI tasks like analyzing imaging. If you just bought the 36 gb model and you dedicated half or 18 gb to windows, any windows machine with 18 gb will stall heavily let alone running in parallels. Trust me 18 gb is not a smooth experience and if you want to future proof this huge investment you need higher ram as 32 gb ram will be the minimum is a few years
@@mochatheaustralianlabradoo7316 Yes, 16 gb was never enough on dedicated windows machines from years past (for my needs) - thanks. Considering going from 48 to 64 gb (although 48 is enough for my current needs)
I only really need the binned Max model, but really need the 64gb of ram. The forced upgrading of the CPU to get 64gb irks me a bit as going to 96gb with the binned chip is more expensive than getting the full fat chip with 64gb.
@@ratshackmojo absolutely - that was my point. Shame on Apple for doing this, but have to play the cards we are dealt with
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I feel that you need a new or extra Lightroom test. Need to see how long AI noise reduction takes as that is so damn slow. Also using the masking brush tool to see how it lags. Export is a set and forget task which doesn’t really show workflow.
7 seconds for a canon r6 raw file to denoise
Is that with the base or the top?
@@Scott-yn3qq on the top!
Please compare the base binned m3 pro with the unbinned m3 pro
This is what I’ve been waiting for.
Would you rather take the 14 core cpu with 96gb ram or the 16 core cpu with 64gb ram. I am an architect and mostly have to work with cad programs, 3d files, illustrator and renderings. Again a very nice video! thank you!
Thank you SO MUCH for this video. Exactly what I was looking for.
The graph at 12:33 says 14" 16c/40c, but is it supposed to be 14c/30c like in the other graphs?
Thanks for the review. I went with the less expensive model and upgraded the storage to 2TBs instead. Totally worth it.
As backend software dev its the M3 Max 14 cores for me. I don't need the greatest graphics and a few seconds build/compile time difference doesn't matter that much. I also like to work on a wider screen so 14inch is out of the picture even though it will save me a bit. For game devs maybe investing in the 16cores M3 Max will benefit you in the long run. Thanks for the video.
You need to add Topaz Video Benchmark for AI comparative performance. For example how long takes X machine to upscale 1080p to 4k in proteus auto, and you can use the same clip always to reference.
The $500 cost shouldn’t be of concern to professionals who understand how the cost will be amortized based on their utilization rate as a factor of projected usable lifespan (of the 16c/40c MBP M3 Max).
It would be foolish for even a marginally successful contractor or business concern not to spend the additional $500!!
exactly
Hi! Pls do test with premiere and after effects with the m3 max. Thank you. Greetings from Perú
quality review! would like the see the same comparison for the 14'
26.5% : really doens't seem worth it.
31%: Wow what a huge difference!
This lets us know that the M3 ultra binned version will be the best value for 3D rendering.
Have you thought about adding any game to regular testing? Games on the Mac are becoming more and more relevant, you can already play such AAA titles as Resident Evil 8, lies of pi and Baldur's Gate 3
I'm a gamer that does work - I went with the 40. That FPS difference is MASSIVE. In time as more demanding games arrive, that FPS is going to make all the difference when you're above 60fps or below 60fps. In a few years, you're going to wish you paid that extra $500.
As your tests show, the decision depends on the use. For audio production, the 16/40 CPU shows a clear advantage.
I make music but I'm no professional by any means. Can someone confirm whether it's practical to consider the test used in this video? I feel like even with beats I've made that were complex I would have 20 tracks at most. On the higher end maybe some artists would use 50, 75? But 270+??! What music would have that many tracks in one song?
@@nasprods789I think unless you’re doing orchestral production there’s really no scenario where you’d be using 300 tracks. However this is a good way to show that there IS a measureable difference. I may only use 10-50 tracks but, once I start adding multiple plugins/efx per track and need lower latency for live performance/tracking, you will likely start to find the limits of your hardware. It’s nice to give your system a little headroom especially if you plan on keeping this 5-10 years, especially as newer software releases become more demanding.
I need this so bad for the 14"....
I don’t know if you guys have the time to do it, but I’d love to see a comparison like this between a maxed out M1 Max and the binned M3 Max too see if it’s worth upgrading or if the M1 Max still holds its own.
If you have an M1 Max and your usage is not specifically making you money for every minute you're operating then the M1 is more than sufficient. Also, you can buy a 2nd-hand M1 Max for way less than **half** of the price of a new M3 Max. So, you do the math....
@@nowandrew4442M1 max with a 32core gpu is overkill ngl
Another great comparison vid guys
Could yall do more videos on the M3 Pro Chip 14” vs 16”. The max isn’t for regular people and the price is crazy.
YESSSS THANK YOUUU
You’re the first reviewer to test this I think… but whether you are or not, can’t express how valuable this is!!
This is the one I've been waiting for! Thank you!!
I was waiting for this video!!! Thanks Max!!!
Looking for a 16” M3 Max for gaming and learning to code. Best Buy has both models on sale for $3000. That’s $500 off for the 36gb Ram and $1000 off on the 48gb Ram.
Any suggestions?
Awesome. This is what I was looking for.. Great comparison. Thanks
Great review!
So, you pay 14.8% more for 26% improvement in performance. And this is wrong?
But… you also get more fan noise! And, when working hard, you don’t want that. It’s almost like fan noise and power are correlated. Omg how horrible. Fan noise 😂
Watched this after I bought the binned model. Great video!!!! I didn't even know 8k was a thing lol-I don't think I will be maxing anything out for a while...
Plz compare the battery life of top m3 pro and base m3 max
Thank you! I love your reviews
Would love to see videos about the binned and unbinned version of the M3 Pro chips as well
Planning this as well :)
Still trying to decide between M3 Pro unbinned vs M3 Max binned.
We'll make a video soon. This weekend
I feel like the ram upgrade is what's making more of a diff! Unless you are doing something that is using 100% of the CPU and GPU.....then the extra cores won't make a diff. But doubling the ram so each core can have access to more ram..... That makes a huge diff!
So I would like to see a comparison with both having the 40+ gigs of ram.
This just makes me excited for the M3 Ultra
Wow nice review, i got the base model M3max 16 and glad i didnt go crazy with going after the the top end one. I use it for photography and the occasional videos. I am coming from a 2021 M1pro 14 and 16 inch Intel Mac
The better battery life is most likely due to lower clockspeeds, since it has more hardware to power it will run slightly slower and more efficient.
In 1 month “I was wrong again”😂😂😂
great video as usual! I missed the Xcode test! :)
Thanks so much for the logic tests, it's the only test of them all I really want to know about, and I and all logic users truly appreciate it! 🙏
You're very welcome!
which model you going with for music production?
@Frankie_G_ so any apple silicon chip is going to be great for strictly audio files only, but if you're also using multiple CPU hungry plugins eg synths like Diva or Synplant, or multiple instances of granular or convolution reverbs or advanced EQs, best to go with something Iike M2 pro or greater.
If work a lot with large sample based libraries like say spitfire audio, you're going to need much more RAM as well, and at least a 'pro' chip.
If you do all of the above like I do, at least a 'max' or 'ultra type chip is a must, a base 'M' chip will struggle with heavy workloads though it certainly can be done with some workarounds.
Audio production is one of the things that demands a LOT of speed in the CPU, and higher single core speeds is better than slower multi-threaded ones - so M3 chips are absolute Godsends, as you can do TONS on the base chip alone. If you look at one of Max Tech's M3 videos you'll see that when they did the logic test it was the only time that they had heard the fans come on up to that point - audio processing needs a fast CPU, M3 and above are the answers to every producer and audio engineers dreams!
Edit - the model I'm going with is a m3 max 14' with 64gb memory and 4tb of storage as I keep my sample libraries on the laptop for portability and so I can install a Metric tonne of plugins! Haha 😄
@MaxTechOfficial Keep up the great work you guys! 👏 You're absolutely killing it and I have made much MUCH better choices for myself and MANY others because of your in depth testing, knowledge and reviews!
@@jonathannelson5899 Thanks brotha lol awesome. Ya M3 all the way, stoked to upgrade as Im still using Intel. So you'll be going with the 16 core version? Was trying to decide if I wanted to the 14 core or 16 core he showing here. Mainly thinking about fan noise, seemed the 14 core did slightly better with fan noise because of heat but with 16 eventually ramping down. Your thoughts on that? Should I just get best I can and go with 16? Thanks
Guys, please do the 14" binned vs upgraded M3 Max! Especially with some Metal optimized games.
Hi
Instead of doing only rendering test in DCC Software, can you test the playback of a camera animation in the Blenderor Cinema 4D scene you’ve used in the demo ?
When doing 3D graphics we don’t render all the time but much more move in scene, check animation deformers and such ?
Just the test I was looking for. Thank you. Saved myself a lot of money.
Whys that?
If only this was on the 14”
Exactly what I am thinking of getting. Coming from the M1 Pro... Moving up to the M3 Max (Base model). Oh... Can you do a comparison please please please. M1 Pro vs M3 Max base model. Thank you! THANK YOU!
how many logic pro channels could the m1/m2 handle compared to the m3 pro/max versions?
M1 Max: 118 Tracks
M2 chip: 80 tracks
M2 Pro binned: 153 tracks
M3: 116 tracks
M3 Pro: 142 tracks
binned M3 Max: 275 tracks
M3 Max: 328 tracks
@@MaxTechOfficial Well, that was an answer!
thanks, what do you mean with 'binned'?@@MaxTechOfficialedit googled it, clear!
Thanks for this video. I bought the 14 core version and love it. Nice to see I made a good choice on not going with the 16 core. This is a huge upgrade over my 2019 Intel MacBook Pro. Keep up the good work.
Hi Jeff, you use Adobe Premiere for video edit? If yes, the render time and performance is very differente of the old Intel 2019? I have one of this and i’m planning to upgrade next year. Thanks bro! 🙏
Same! I’m finally upgrading from my 2019 Intel 2.3Ghz w/max GPU.
Jeff, have you found that you hear the fans running on your 30 GPU core M3 Max? I’m considering the 16” version and wondering if it will run quiet for music production (CPU intensive stuff).
Hi Max about video editing: I'm not sure how many time lines there were in the FCPX. IMHO the best way to test the performance/stress of the Mac is: Using Davinci Resolve editing a 4+ timelines of 4K+ videos and then export to an H264/H265 final product -- the FPS at delivery and time estimate for the delivery shows how good your Mac is at video editing because IMO the exporting process stresses the computer the most - CPU-wise and GPU-wise.
What is loaded on the Logic tracks? Kontakt libraries? Serum? Any vst fx? Or just plain audio? Because that alone can make a huge difference. Being media composer on a budget it may seem the best option would be binned version and to spend the extra money on 96gb memory (useful for those orchestral behemoth VSTis). Yet since I don't know anything about what is on those tracks, the test is not as useful as it could be.
Do the same with the 14 inch chasis please.
Please test the M3 max 14 cores vs M3 pro 12 cores on 14 inch, to see if the max still throttles or not and the M3 pro still is the best choice for 14 inch size.
This could help many to decide which is the best configuration for their macbooks pro (many, me included, doesnt want something big like 16 inch mbp). Thanks !
Thank you for the DAW test!
Just got the 16 inch Max base. It is faster in Photoshop and Lightroom than my 2020 I7 iMac with 128 GB of RAM.
Been using a 16inch binned M3 Max since it came out. Absolutely love it. Definitely worth saving the money and I think this video proves it!
Does it run pretty quiet in everyday use? How about CPU intensive stuff? I’m considering the MacBook model you bought for audio production (Logic Pro).
good video thank'sss
I bought the binned version, as my older 2018 intel was running so slow, you don't realise the difference until you see them side by side, my friends Air M2 runs much faster downloading large photo files, id say if you need one buy one don't get FOMO, the next generation will be faster and even faster with a M6 in due time
The big question is 14” 14/30 vs 16/40.
I was waiting for this video, thanks! I happy to see the 30 core runs quieter. For music production (Logic Pro) I appreciate this! For the next video I’d like to see the binned 16” M3 Max 30 core GPU vs the unbinned 16” M3 Pro (or even M2 Pro) to see how much of a difference there is in fan noise. Thanks!
Hi, which SSD size would you recommend for music production?
Hi! Pls do test with premiere and after effects with the m3 max. Thank you.
can you test the bandwith somehow? 100 - 150 and 200gb/s should be a difference ... not always the ram for cpu/gpu-count. Some say stick with the M1 as it has more bandwidth internally
Fantastic video! I really appreciate the thorough comparison you've provided. If possible, could you also include a comparison involving LLM(Large Language Models) generation and Stable Diffusion image creations? It would be incredibly helpful. Thank you!
I hope I get a response before this day gets started. I bought the 14inch MacBookPro M3Max with the following specs! 14 Core CPU, 30 Core GPU, 36GB of unified memory. I believe = max 300GB/‘s memory bandwidth. My question is this.,. I will ONLY use this laptop for editing 1080p and some 4k files (drone footage) maybe some 4k DSLR footage as well with a lot of 3rd party plug in’s for Final Cut Pro X like Titles, Generators, Effects and transitioning etc… should I return this product and upgrade to 64 GB of unified memory with 16 core CPU and 40core GPU? Which by the way would = Max 400GB/s memory bandwidth! OH and does 14” vs 16” make a difference with the same exact specs? Thank you in advance.
What did you do? If you stayed with the 14c cpu, how is it working for those tasks?
I got the 14” M3 Max MacBook Pro Base Model. It is so so much power for me. Will be having this MacBook for a long time.
How has your experience been till now? What about heat and fan noise?
thanks for including Logic Pro!
I so appreciate that MaxTech does this. I haven't seen any other channel serving the community of music pros. Awesome.
This was an EXCELLENT comparison! I’m sticking with the binned version for sure!!
14 inch with the 16 core max m3 turns into a furnace . If you’re basically expecting a desktop replacement you have to go with the 16 inch if you want to have the computer to last for more than 2-3 years as the thermal cycles are more extreme
Is the 14 or 16 inch? Perhaps it doesn't matter but I don't recall you saying.
awesome testing
hey, im planning to buy the 16 CPU 40 gpu model. will it affect the battery life if I maxed out the specs compared to base?
Is it a 14-inch or 16-inch model?
I would love to see you compare 14 inches M3 16gb ram with M3 pro 18gb ram, what would be better
You should do these same tests without being in high performance mode. Apple says high performance mode is far more aggressive in cooling, which leads to higher fan noise. What do these machines do in auto mode?
Been super happy with my 16" M1 Pro which I'm handing down to my daughter... was trying to be sensible this time around as well but couldn't help myself. At least BB is having really good deals at the moment so I saved $650 on the base 16 core M3 Max (there were rebates on pretty much the entire line-up).
Another video I was waiting for! Thanks for reading our comments :)
You don't know what binned means. Binned is the 40 core model. Binned ALWAYS means the best one. How stupid.
Great video, is it the same for M3 Pro?
Could your include a test for training and inference of ML models (LLMs and LMMs in particular)? I would be very interested in the performance difference. This is particularly relevant to me, as a 20% time difference in a 20/30 seconds test would mean a lot, if I run a training of inference for multiple hours. And yes, I would usually do this on a different machine, but sometimes I need to do this on the go.
Thanks a lot for the comparison!
Nice, great comparison as I'm getting my 30 core gpu model tomorrow. Doesn't seem like too much of a difference for the most part.
You should really do some 3D modeling testing. This is something that is hard to find. Specially, now with the mesh acceleration. I can hook you up with the files if you want. I have them for rhino and Maya. In those workflows, the biggest thing is for your treaty model to stutter while you were manipulating it.