in case that helps anyone 🌸💗 01:43 barbie in the nutcracker 06:01 princess and the pauper 11:40 rapunzel 14:21 swan lake 16:52 twelve dancing princesses 18:54 island princess 22:41 diamond castle 24:37 christmas carol 31:05 barbie and the three musketeers
My favourite quote was “And then we have these dudes, again the side character is dressed more accurately than the actual prince that looks like a thumb”
I love how she wastes a lot of time researching both barbie movies and fashion history just to make this vid. Like mama meme-a, I know you're dedicated in your trolling, you didn't have to do it.
It's worth noting that a lot of those old Barbie movies aren't JUST historical films - they're specifically historical BALLET films. So a lot of the outfits worn by the women are designed to take inspiration from an outfit that you'd see in the ballet. So for example, it makes no sense that Odile would wear that black dress to a ball - but it's almost EXACTLY what a ballerina would wear while portraying the black swan, which is what that scene is meant to be. If you go look up the pas de deux they're trying to replicate, that dress is actually very close. It's also important to note that canonically, Barbie is an actor playing all these roles. There's a whole "story within the story" canon that is consistently kept to, up until at least 2008. So it actually makes perfect sense that the outfits aren't accurate, and that character models are re-used - they're all actors in a movie. These are costumes, not actual outfits.
The side characters being more historically accurate than the main ones is so painfully present in live action content as well. The leading ladies _must_ be drop-dead gorgeous in the beauty standards of whenever in the 21st-century it was made which means... Sacrilegious hair: ✅ Sacrilegious makeup: ✅ Sexier/more attractive outfits: ✅ *Sigh...*
It's sad because it just kinda makes me believe that designers and costume designers don't believe they can create an outfit in historical styles to look appealing for a modern Audience, it even does poor for the movie in the long run dating it from a "movie about the 1900's" vs "movie made in 2010 about the 1900's"
@@sleepy_koko alternate take: The designers WANT to put good accuracy in the films, but at least for the main cast, they get shot down by directors and producers, so they slip it in where they can.
I've spotted this funny cliché in Westerns, since the originals had the female leads with the beauty standards of the 50s, that the "Wild west beauty" carried over into the look of the female lead. So she has loose-hair-only-1-2-curls 50s hair, (x) trend makeup and vaguely victorian dresses. And then the bg characters are all on point.
the reason that the background characters in the Barbie movies are in better period dress than the main character is probably because the outfits for the main characters needed to be able to be mass produced & sold while the background characters didn’t (Edited to say ty for 3k lmao glad my capitalism logic made sense to y’all 💗)
I was thinking exactly this, like damn someone took their time modeling the extras with accurate inspiration and then were forced to make Barbie and her boyfriend(s) the plainest bread in the bakery
Well technically it's canon that these movie are movies barbie makes in barbie's world as an actress (some of them even have bloopers). So when you see a character that looks like some other character from another movie, it's just the same "actor" in the barbie world. Like Preminger in the 12 princesses. I care way too much about this.
character design team: should we make this historically accurate? nah, let's just make it appealing to young girls instead. it's not like adults will sit down and critique our designs anyway Karolina:
@@coiler_119 I have a strange story about it. my brother in law bought his 5 year old daughter a random Barbie pillow off amazon. But it wasn't just any Barbie it was swan Lake Barbie! My niece hadn't seen the movie so I showed it to her and man i still enjoyed the hell out of that movie and she loved it too so it was a very fun evening!
So, I spoke to one of the directors for a uni essay, and the way the films work is, the dolls would be created before the characters are designed. So while the filmmakers are working on pre-production, the doll makers are making the main characters looks, and essentially deciding what the merch will be, which the filmmakers then have to put into the film. Which is possibly why the background characters sometimes had much more accurate costumes!
@@LifesNeverHumDrum I mean, honestly, Rapunzel's dress might be my favourite dress ever. Not necessarily the film version so much as the merchandise version. I had the doll, and I would take the dress off her and just play with the dress (I was a strange child), and I wore the dress up costume till I could barely fit into it anymore (I still have it, and it's coming with me wherever I go in life!) 😂 I think the only dress that has ever overtaken it in my estimations is the Breathe dress from Ever After, otherwise genuinely truly, that beautiful purple, pink and gold dress with roses on it is my favourite item of clothing ever designed!
17:03 actually in Barbie Lore it makes perfect sense, all the characters in barbie movies are performed by actors, usually they only re-hire the main cast, like Barbie, her sisters, and Ken, but Clearly they acknowledged Preminger's actor's iconic performance, so they managed to get him back for a cameo, despite his busy schedule on other films.
exactly, it also explains why all the dresses from the main characters are so similar. It's cheaper to just a a few flowers a shiny fabric over the same basic dress, that can be used in different theater productions.
Honestly, the fact that the background characters have pretty accurate costumes kinda make me think the costume designers wanted us to know that they did do research, they just chose not to use it on the main characters for the ✨sparkle✨ To clarify, I am completely kidding. I know these designs were made for toy production.
Most of the time these movies are just made to sell toys, so I wouldn't be shocked if they already had the doll designs before they made the movie, which are purely made to appeal to little girls (very basic historical Silhouettes, bright colors, sparkles) namely because little kids don't know much about fashion history so they don't care
@@sleepy_koko this is actually accurate. The merch is already done before the movie so they have a basis on what the designs would look like. Was able to confirm that when they're the doing one of the recent Barbie movies, "Princess Charm School".
I would also imagine maybe that the main characters get designed by a larger team and go through a lot of edits whereas side characters someone gets one or two inspiration pics and copies it and it ends up in the movie, and ends up being more historically accurate
Teams on animated movies normally don’t have a costume-specific section, typically it’s the responsibility of ppl involved in concept art/character design/3D modeling. There weren’t any specific costume designers ^^
Fun fact: I was like three when Barbie Nutcracker came out and I watched it on loop. My mom put me in ballet when I was 3 1/2 and I learned the sugar plum fairy from barbie and performed it for my teacher. Then I fell in love with ballet and had a whole career lol. Barbie Nutcracker is the reason I became a ballet dancer.
Same! It didn’t end up being my career but ballet has been such a big part of my life (I did it for 13 years). Barbie Nutcracker and Swan Lake will always happy a special place in my heart🥰
@@katjalouw918 exactly. At my school in NY we'd do weekend movies and we did a whole day marathon of Barbie ballet movies because everyone in my age group started pretty much because of barbie
@@marissahartshorn7049 NY ? I remember that the dancers for nutcracker, swan lake and twelve princesses were from the New York City ballet!! That's so cool !
As a 3D modeler and animator I have to commend the clothing models and textures; they're very good! Especially considering this was early 2000's. Those textures would have been hand painted. The details on Prem's outfits are very, very good. The lace textures on a lot of Barbie's dresses, and that bedchamber maid with the lace hat in Princess and the Pauper, were very good as well. Even the animation holds up very well especially in the 12 Dancing Princesses.
You'd think no one would be able to succeed at that task, either. Must be all her time traveling experience. She has seen enough to heed the inaccuracy of an animated doll's bodice.
I dare to disagree, as there are videos published in December 2020 by another Polish costumer, Kasia Staciwa - you can check them out here ruclips.net/video/F5Zkr_7AW7c/видео.html and here ruclips.net/video/LkFc7o8njIE/видео.html --- alas, they are in Polish, but you can check out the pictures/screenshots form Barbie movies and accompanying historical drawings and fashion plates - and yep, they are shorter, but as one takes 18, and another 14 minut approx. they make nearly the same amount of time spent on analysing Barbie from a point of view of a historical fashion :)
@@benkenobi8916 yes that what the new barbie movies is, this person is talking about the old ones (12 dancing princesses, princess and the pauper, island princess etc)
the newer movies really did take it too far in terms of colours, secret door is easily the worst offender of this, the magical realm alexa enters is painful and borderline sickening to look at...
Karolina referring to Preminger as Premi is everything I never knew I wanted in life, also the Preminger Edits is some of the best content to watch on RUclips
The difference between the main and background characters seems very much a ballet-inspired thing to me. Often the background characters in ballets have the interesting/character costumes whereas the main characters have the ‘beautiful’ ones that perhaps don’t fit into an era? Considering The Nutcracker was the first Barbie movie, maybe this is where it originated and then became a bit of a theme? The shorter skirts on the main characters in some scenes seem somewhat reminiscent of tutus as well
I also think in the barbie movies it has a lot to do with main characters being made into dolls and doll clothing. So they all have the same silhouette to be able to reuse patterns and lack of detail saves on money when recreating them. I also can't help but think that all of the dropped waist lines in barbies dresses are to accommodate it being made into a dress for a doll that needs an opening large enough to get the dolls hips through since the waist is so small.
yes, I'm pretty sure the shorter skirts (that aren't tutus) are based on romantic era ballet skirts, like the ones in Les Sylphides or Giselle. The skirts have to be somewhat short to show off the dancers' feet!
Tbh I liked it when I watched it but was not hyped like I had been with the first ones, I guess I was a bit too old when it came out (and I'm more or else Karolina's age)
I feel like while a part of side characters being more accurate is the need to conform the leads to modern beauty standards, it also has to do with the doll production - the leads have to become cheap dolls, so they don't have complicated hairstyles and detailed clothing, just the basic dress styles with printed on accessories
"Barbie does 18th century" is my new catch all term for those horrendous costumes sold online with tags like "Victorian Marie Antoinette Civil War Gothic Rococo dress".
For some reason, even when the Barbie characters in each role (main female and male lead, villain, current royalty couple) are always the same, we like it in Barbie but hate it in other movies.
I just got that one at the library for my three year old. I wondered if Disney ripped the painting thing off for Tangled, and I wondered why the soundtrack was so flipping good.
Well, as someone who has been involved in the creation process of 3D characters, costumes and accessories on an online community for 14 years, my take is as follow. The mesh (that's what 3D creators tend to call a raw 3D model) of the dress that keeps coming back for various characters and movies (like the 12 princesses) is no surprise to me. If you want to speed up production, the best way is to reuse existing meshes and create new textures for them to make them look slightly different. Another way is to only mesh add-on mesh parts (like puffy sleeves or various collar pieces) instead of meshing a new dress from scratch. It saves time and you can cut the costs when paying meshers as they're only creating fewer new shapes (less work hours). Creating textures like those used in the Barbie movies is no big deal. Most of the clothing textures are really generic in terms of complexity and quality... low investment, fast returns... Capitalism at its finest. The dude in the musketeer movie with the blue mask towards the end of your video seems to have been inspired by the looks of French actor Jean Marais who was known for playing in historical movies or fairy tales. The mask itself seems a nod to his appearance in the live action Beauty and the Beast, in French La Belle et la Bête (which predates Disney's by decades) in which he starred.
In Swan Lake, the reason Odile is dressed so weird at the ball is because she is wearing a ballet costume (inaccurate btw) with a romantic tutu. They don't do ballroom dancing; they perform one of the dances from the ballet. This is also true with Odette's first swan gown. It's short and floofy like that cuz it has a romantic tutu for her dancing. Also... HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE BARBIE MOVIE THAT SHAPED MY CHILDHOOOOD. I _STILL_ CAN'T FIND CYGNUS IN THE NIGHT SKY, AND IVE BEEN TRYING MY WHHHOOOLLLE LIIIIFE. Even if you don't like the story, Odile's and Rothbart's antics are enough to *make* the movie _especially_ Odile's. "Daddy!!" _"DADDY!!!!"_ "What am I, a _salad_ ???" "EEEEEEHEEHEEHEEEEEHEEEE"
Yes! There is a lot of ballet costume inspiration in that movie! Also when I first watched "Friends" as a teen and heard Janice for the first time my mind went straight to Odile's screechy laugh XD
This is such a side point but the way to find Cygnus in the night sky is to look for three very bright stars forming a large triangle (it's called the summer triangle because it's visible in the summer in the northern hemisphere, but it would be visible in the winter in the south!). One of those stars is Deneb, which is the brightest star in Cygnus. (The brightest star of the three is Vega, part of Lyra, which you can also recognize because it has a small parallelogram shape made of four stars next to it.) Deneb is less bright than Vega, but it has three other bright stars near it forming the wings of the swan. This is hard to explain without visuals but I hope you can find Cygnus!
The funnier about the ghosts is that they are wearing clothes from eras ahead of them, when they should wearing from eras behind. Guess we have more than ghosts, we have time travelers!!
In the Nutcracker ballet, Clara traditionally wears either a completely waist-less night dress (often with a Bertha collar) or else an empire waisted nightdress, so that's why they did that in the movie. Ditto with Odile's ball gown in Swan Lake. They were going for the Black Swan tutu idea (but they should have gone for a tutu for Odette too, if they did that).
my uncle was an editor on the barbie films while i was growing up so i had,,, all of them. this video feels like it's for me personally, thank you edit: i said "had" like i don't still have them including my original vhs copies
I think it's also hard to tell for some because like, Clara's sugar plum fairy dress is clearly more based on romance ballet outfits. (think giselle) than anything typical people would historically wear. Same for a lot of the short skirts, very either romance or tutu based. (like in 3 musketeers or the ghost fairy) Which is interesting cause the ballet style makes sense for movies like the nutcracker or swan lake, where the stories are coming from ballet. but for 3 musketeers or christmas carol? that's a choice they made to make it more ballet inspired than typically historical.
I also absolutely love how much Karolina just knows her brand and her audience. This whole video is so fucking on point, but the best bit is the title (DETAILED). Just cracks me up
5:14 That dress looks to be inspired by the style of tutu called a romantic tutu. It has a skirt-like silhouette compared to the pancake tutu and platter tutu that people usually think of when they think ballet. The romantic tutu was French and was the original tutu. If I remember correctly, it wasn't a style until the 1830s. The Nutcracker was first performed in the 1890s, so this movie would have to be the late 19th century in order to be historically accurate. Romantic tutus are still used present day, usually in the performance of classic ballets like The Nutcracker, Giselle, Swan Lake, etc. and often in the large cast scenes (in solos and pas de deux, women ballerinas tend to wear pancake or platter tutus so that the choreography can be better observed). So yes, that night dress was absolutely, without a doubt inspired by ballet costuming of the time. Romantic tutu for the skirt, classic ballet costume bodice, and decorative sleeve/strap.
14:46 I had this doll with the dress, and I can tell you that is not an apron; it's an overskirt attached to the bodice. With Barbie's supposed socioeconomic position in the beginning of Swan Lake, it really doesn't make sense that she would own (much less regularly wear) such fine fabric, but...
Watching this made me realize how much of a staple Barbie fashion was in my art as a kid. Every time I drew a princess or princess like character, they were always wearing the sectioned out dress.
I’m honestly pretty impressed, animation wise, that I can tell that some of the dresses in Barbie a Christmas Carol are velvet. My biggest issue with Barbie movie costumes is that basically all the fabrics look the same even when you know they aren’t. But somehow they got those dresses to be velvet, which implies that they could make the other fabrics look better but they just choose not to. They choose to subject us to the weirdly flat drape of all the Barbie movie costumes, which is somehow worse.
To be fair, cloth is still one of the most difficult things in CGI, and the movies she talked about first were from the early 2000s vs. Barbie Christmas Carol which came out in the late 2000s.
They did the detailing very well beginning in 2008 which is the year they made "Barbie in A Christmas Carol", and moving forward they've been great. Just so happens that the previous ones we're not polished at all... Also it can be due to the doll's design too since that's already made even before the animation was created.
The reason why the secondary characters are dressed more accurately than the mains (and sorry if you said this and I missed it) is because the outfits of Barbie, her love interest, and whatever other main girls they have that time, are usually designed by doll designers for the purpose of selling dolls. The doll outfits are designed first and usually made first. And then the secondary characters I would guess are designed by character designers instead. Since they don't have to make, package and sell those clothes to modern young girls, they can keep them more historically accurate.
20:10 She literally slays… her husband. And possibly her second husband. And attempts to slay all the guests at her daughter’s wedding. And the animals.
@@NoName-dx1no to be fair these movies were made starting 20 years ago, at the same time as Monsters Inc but without the dedication and ingenuity of Pixar. Nutcracker - 2001 Rapunzel - 2002 Swan Lake - 2003 Princess and the Pauper - 2004 12 Dancing Princess - 2006 Island Princess - 2007 Diamond Castle - September 2008 Christmas Carol - November 2008 Three Musketeers - 2009 *I haven’t seen most of these movies, I just checked Wikipedia.
Well, they're direct-to-DVD movies that we're made to promote Barbie dolls so they won't prioritize the animation but at least they have the heart to create the stories very well.
I grew up a little later, with Fashion Fairytale, Mermaid Tale, Princess and the Popstar and stuff. I did still watch the older ones, but they weren't the ones I was most excited about.
In defense of the aunt's outfit from the 12 dancing princesses, she ran through her money really quickly and could no longer afford her lavish lifestyle for such a long time that even her carriage was falling apart. So if her clothes seem WAAAAY out of date, it was probably on purpose to accentuate her villain story.
The Christmas Carol one being the most accurate makes me so happy because it's my underappreciated fave. The main character is so different from every other barbie main because of being obviously based on scrooge, it's so refreshing.
@@mcwjes the ads that times was the Holiday Barbie 2008 because the doll's dress is what Barbie is wearing in the movies while telling Kelly the story of Eden
Anyone who read the obscure fanfiction _Mirror and Dust_ would tell you that 17:01 isn't a dumb copy of Preminger, it's just a younger Preminger when he was still early in his political carreer. In conculsion, everything is fine, we don't need to riot today.
@@CiarnaK No problem, I enjoyed it so much that I kind of want to spread it in the Preminger fandom. It's a pretty good backstory for him. I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I did! Edit: Oh yea, btw it's not finished yet, but the author said she's not abandoned it, she just wants to rework some stuff but plans to finish it eventually. But I feel like I should warn about its unfinished status.
@@cyanmint1173 WTF YT keeps deleting every reply I try sending your way. This is my 4th attempt. You can find it easily by googling the title with Preminger somewhere in the search. I'm sorry you didn't get an answer, but YT keeps deleting my comment for some reason.
I remember always being super impressed as a kid that the Barbie movies had the Prague or Czech national symphonies recording the music for their soundtrack... I wasn't until i was older that I realized Mattel just bought the rights to use old concert recordings XD
11:50 Hobie (the Bunny) actually gives the timeline of this movie when he says “that’s the understatement of the 17th century.”… I am so obsessed with Barbie I knew that by heart. Idk that they actually followed the timeline though. 🤣 I really appreciate you digging into this because I have tried to figure out the timelines for the other movies (I want to make accurate-ish Barbie costumes) I never could figure it out. This was is so great to watch. Always love your videos! ❤️
I think the nightgown of Nutcracker Barbie is inspired by Russian ballet dancing Nutcracker. I am nuts for the Nutcracker, I watched it about 20 times by different ballets live and 50 times on RUclips and TV and so on, and 90 percent of the time when it's a traditional take on the ballet, including costumes, she wears a nightgown with a high waist that just covers her knees. I may be wrong here beause I have no expertise in this but I think this is what the dresses ballerinas trained in used to look like. The Nutcracker himself also usually wears a red suit that looks a lot like in the Barbie film. Also I think they are wearing short dresses to a ball in Swanlake for purposes of showing off the ballet dancing. Can't see the leggies with the dressies.
Yeah. I remember seeing the Nutcracker play before the movie came out (I have an early age type memory) and the outfits in the movie were spot on to what I saw on the play. The outfits for the two MCs are very accurate to plays. For that reason I think it follows history very well. Probably an A.
So I am a ballet dancer, the older training outfits of dancers actually more closely resembled more of a romantic tutu with a blouse or something closer to a simple dress cut to around the knees, but the nightgown is taken almost directly from many nutcracker productions as the raised waistline and higher cut of the dress make it easier to show off your lines and move your legs. As far as ballet costumes, the costumes are generally taken from styles of the era the ballet was made in or was trying to emulate and made shorter or into tutus to allow for ease of movement, especially by the advent of the 19th century. Sometimes costuming eras do get mixed in ballets simply because of the era when the costumes were originally designed. So if they are trying to emulate ballet costumes they are doing a fairly good job, though Odette should be wearing a tutu in my opinion.
Yep ive seen a few different ones british aussie russian and everyone ive seen shes wearing a mid to short nightgown and usually to her elbows but i think its suppose to be more like that than an adult full length long sleeve kind cause shes more a school girl/coming of age type vs adult which i feel like in the movie shes probably close to marriagable age but still a minor in our modern view. So yeah plus maidens and married women often had different everything dress rules hairstyles etc so it woildnt surprise me if the shorter nightgown and stuff reflected that and then was altered further to suit ballet dancers and styles.
@@wiredmaus_2 maybe the same look and colors but better quality. The main reason that those movies are better is because of the colours, story and even the looks being more realistic and appealing then the vibrant neon rainbow childrens universe it is now.
Not really badly animated if you compare to other direct-to-DVD animation movies at the time of their releases. If they have a better budget like Disney or Dreamworks, they could've been better but they're made to promote dolls so.
I love Barbie movies with all of my heart, especially 2001-2009 ones. The plot, the music, the dances, the characters, the music - everything is perfect.
Let's take a moment to appreciate the pure cost-cutting efficiency of recycling the same 3D models of background characters and costumes over and over again. I mean, there were several more of that "Anna" lookalike in that ball scene. xD
My friend and I used to quote Preminger all the time so when he became a huge meme I felt like such a hipster, like I made Preminger memes before it was cool
When you said “I had younger siblings so I could watch Barbie movies without being judged” it reminded me SO MUCH of my older sister. When she was in late elementary school she had one of those “no pink! No girly stuff!” phases. I would watch Barbie movies all the time and she’d “wander into the room” and stay to watch so “she could make fun of it” (and then remained quiet and enthralled the entire time). Then later she’d get Barbie movies from the library to watch them “ironically”. Mmkay girl, sure
I love how you rated not only the protagonists, but all of the characters focusing on men's clothing as well! I find it annoying how people usually don't care about it
I loved the nutcracker movie, cause they obviously went with the ballet costumes. Clara's nightgown is exactly what the young dancer would wear on stage (maybe not pink, but it works)
"I had younger siblings, so could watch Barbie movies without being judged." I am 24 and still shamelessly watch them. I love the Fairytopia series the most ❤️
With the Sugar Plum Princess outfit, I believe it's actually based on the New York City Ballet first costume for the sugar plum fairy. She starts in a more romantic style tutu in the opening (longer skirts are typically referred to as romantic tutus). It makes sense that the dress is inspired by nycb because the choreography is the nycb version.
I can't wait to see you rate on the legendary Preminger. Edit : I'm not disappointed, not only you give him a proper opinion but also understand what makes him iconic, you definitely earned my respect.
3:00 This seems common in a lot of period dramas too. Random extras will be dressed reasonably well, but the main characters have to be pretty/hot enough for modern standards, which means the hair, makeup, and silhouettes have to change...pretty much anything that would make the show visually immersive.
Barbie in a Christmas carol is my favorite Barbie movie almost exclusively because of the clothes and hair (and the fact that Barbie has flaws and gets an interesting personality) and people are sleeping on this movie, it is honestly one of the best ones
Btw for the Christmas Carol the MC of the story isn’t Barbie, it’s just Barbie telling a a story about a girl it’s just like Barbie thumbelina technically it’s Barbie presenting thumbelina she is just telllingbthe story of it so our lesson if if you want historically accurate outfits don’t have Barbie be the MC lmao Also apparently in the Barbie universe a lot of the Barbie movies are like movies too in the Barbie universe, and like Barbie is an actress acting out those movies so technically speaking those outfits are very accurate in showing us how bad the accuracy of the costumes for period films are for Hollywood
I mean thats technically the case for most of the early Barbie movies that start with the storytelling framing device, its just more obvious with Christmas Carol because Eden's personality is so far removed from Barbie's. The restraining factor is less "Barbie being the MC" and more... convincing Mattel that they can mass produce a historically accurate dress for Barbie while still making it appealing to the kids
And in the ball of Barbie and The Musketeers, we not only have one Anna from frozen, we dozens of her clones around the ball! It's amazing how everybody wore the same clothes and had the same hairstyle and color!! 33:32
Karolina: "'Barbie and the Nutcracker' was the first Barbie movie ever made..." The 'Barbie & the Rockers' movies: Are we a joke to you? 'Nutcracker' was the first modern Barbie movie and it's one of the best! Neat video! :D
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01:43 barbie in the nutcracker
06:01 princess and the pauper
11:40 rapunzel
14:21 swan lake
16:52 twelve dancing princesses
18:54 island princess
22:41 diamond castle
24:37 christmas carol
31:05 barbie and the three musketeers
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„it’s not historically accurate, but also she’s a ghost fairy“ is my favorite quote ever
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My favourite quote was “We have the gayest of barbie movies, which is Barbie and the diamond castle-” 😂✨
My favourite quote was “And then we have these dudes, again the side character is dressed more accurately than the actual prince that looks like a thumb”
Barbie production studio: should we go for historical accuracy?
Director: Nah, who cares, no one is going to think about it
Karolina:
I love how she wastes a lot of time researching both barbie movies and fashion history just to make this vid. Like mama meme-a, I know you're dedicated in your trolling, you didn't have to do it.
"THEIR NECKS!!!! COVER THEM"
Note to self if I ever enter the film industry: *_Someone will always care_*
@@adam.n-steve I would say spends her time, not wastes. But yeah.
@@adam.n-steve dude its what she likes doing hdbudhvbdhv and its history, not trolling
One day historians will try to understand our way of life via barbie movies...
Only if.✨
One day historians will try to understand Karolina Ż and how she was present at the court of Cleopatra, Catherine the Great, and Cate Blanchett.
As they should.
I sure hope so
@@shakirashipslied9721 Agreed!
"12 dancing princesses? I don't remember this movie, I don't think it was that good" I've never felt so offended 💀
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I was looking for this comment and I found it
@@anaclauter4977 same
@Freja Lindberg That’s your opinion, but I will not take Magic of Pegasus or Fairytopia slander 🤧
It's worth noting that a lot of those old Barbie movies aren't JUST historical films - they're specifically historical BALLET films. So a lot of the outfits worn by the women are designed to take inspiration from an outfit that you'd see in the ballet.
So for example, it makes no sense that Odile would wear that black dress to a ball - but it's almost EXACTLY what a ballerina would wear while portraying the black swan, which is what that scene is meant to be. If you go look up the pas de deux they're trying to replicate, that dress is actually very close.
It's also important to note that canonically, Barbie is an actor playing all these roles. There's a whole "story within the story" canon that is consistently kept to, up until at least 2008. So it actually makes perfect sense that the outfits aren't accurate, and that character models are re-used - they're all actors in a movie. These are costumes, not actual outfits.
Yep. That "plot twist" was revealed in the movie Barbie Fashion Fairytale, right?
Yeah 2008 makes sense, because that's when they changed voice actor for barbie and started using a different model for the movies
I mean it just means the dresses are canonically inaccurate.
Oh shut up, your talking about it likes its a proper drama, not a kids show. And rhis video was probably just for fun.
Yeah, no. That dress looks nothing like an Odile costume. You would never see an Odile wearing a tutu that long.
Everyone's talking about Disney's historical accuracy, then there's Karolina...
✨✨BARBIE✨✨
I love the originality
I love her
Well, somebody's gotta do it
The side characters being more historically accurate than the main ones is so painfully present in live action content as well. The leading ladies _must_ be drop-dead gorgeous in the beauty standards of whenever in the 21st-century it was made which means... Sacrilegious hair: ✅ Sacrilegious makeup: ✅ Sexier/more attractive outfits: ✅
*Sigh...*
Part of why the 1995 BBC Pride and Prejudice is 🔥🔥🔥
It's sad because it just kinda makes me believe that designers and costume designers don't believe they can create an outfit in historical styles to look appealing for a modern Audience, it even does poor for the movie in the long run dating it from a "movie about the 1900's" vs "movie made in 2010 about the 1900's"
@@sleepy_koko alternate take: The designers WANT to put good accuracy in the films, but at least for the main cast, they get shot down by directors and producers, so they slip it in where they can.
I've spotted this funny cliché in Westerns, since the originals had the female leads with the beauty standards of the 50s, that the "Wild west beauty" carried over into the look of the female lead. So she has loose-hair-only-1-2-curls 50s hair, (x) trend makeup and vaguely victorian dresses.
And then the bg characters are all on point.
@@bassyboi581 you're right though I've never thought of that before!
the reason that the background characters in the Barbie movies are in better period dress than the main character is probably because the outfits for the main characters needed to be able to be mass produced & sold while the background characters didn’t
(Edited to say ty for 3k lmao glad my capitalism logic made sense to y’all 💗)
That's actually really smart!! That never occurred to me, yet now, I'm sure that was a main contributing factor! Well perceived, mdugan!
the power of your brain
I was thinking exactly this, like damn someone took their time modeling the extras with accurate inspiration and then were forced to make Barbie and her boyfriend(s) the plainest bread in the bakery
This is promoting taking bg character roles for future theatre kids because they get the good sht
If the clothes are detailed or maybe accurate or simply better looking they’d probably be collector dolls or sth lol
Well technically it's canon that these movie are movies barbie makes in barbie's world as an actress (some of them even have bloopers). So when you see a character that looks like some other character from another movie, it's just the same "actor" in the barbie world.
Like Preminger in the 12 princesses.
I care way too much about this.
Yes thank you that’s exactly what i was going to say :,) i loved the bloopers sm when i was little
No, you care *just* enough
I love this comment.
Yeah, in Barbie in a Fashion Fairytale, movie posters of her previous movies were in her trailer.
there is an "behind the scenes" in the princess and the pauper with the credits that show it as if barbie is making the movies
character design team: should we make this historically accurate? nah, let's just make it appealing to young girls instead. it's not like adults will sit down and critique our designs anyway
Karolina:
Karolina: challenge accepted.
Nice yunyun profile pic
The monster under your bed...is chongyun (∗❛ั∀❛ั∗)✧*。
Way to steal the top comment 👍
@@Min-Taro uh oh, the weebs have found us
Karolina: " and this was CLEARLY supposed to be 18th century"
Me: "y-yes. clearly"
LMFAOO
Same energy as nodding to a video when you have no idea what’s going on lol
I just trust her because she does so much research and be like "uh huh, i see, interesting"
Preminger being the staple of 21st century culture is not something I expected to hear today, but I definitely agree
i need those edits asap
@@LudmilaRamirez7 here's a playlist I created when they started appearing on my feed lol ruclips.net/p/PLkgUt2qQ9dmx12qizYXq0u5z62edgOR-g
@@pan_roman1782 OMG your brain 😚👌✨♥️♥️♥️
@@LudmilaRamirez7 haha thanks! I'm glad you like it 😊
*Yes*
Barbie Swan Lake is honestly *chef's kiss* in my book. It's like a love letter to Tchaikovsky
That man deserves all the love ❤
That was the first Barbie movie i saw... Still holds a special place in my heart haha
@@ladym.7594 fact
@@vatsalamolly it was the first one I got on dvd
@@coiler_119 I have a strange story about it. my brother in law bought his 5 year old daughter a random Barbie pillow off amazon. But it wasn't just any Barbie it was swan Lake Barbie! My niece hadn't seen the movie so I showed it to her and man i still enjoyed the hell out of that movie and she loved it too so it was a very fun evening!
So, I spoke to one of the directors for a uni essay, and the way the films work is, the dolls would be created before the characters are designed. So while the filmmakers are working on pre-production, the doll makers are making the main characters looks, and essentially deciding what the merch will be, which the filmmakers then have to put into the film. Which is possibly why the background characters sometimes had much more accurate costumes!
That's exactly what I figured, because that's how most any show/movie based on merchandise typically works out.
And that’s why they passed on the beautiful dress in Rapunzel and gave us what we got and I’m still mad
@@LifesNeverHumDrum I mean, honestly, Rapunzel's dress might be my favourite dress ever. Not necessarily the film version so much as the merchandise version. I had the doll, and I would take the dress off her and just play with the dress (I was a strange child), and I wore the dress up costume till I could barely fit into it anymore (I still have it, and it's coming with me wherever I go in life!) 😂 I think the only dress that has ever overtaken it in my estimations is the Breathe dress from Ever After, otherwise genuinely truly, that beautiful purple, pink and gold dress with roses on it is my favourite item of clothing ever designed!
Schools: Girls must have their shoulders more covered!
Karolina: Guys must have their necks more covered!
17:03 actually in Barbie Lore it makes perfect sense, all the characters in barbie movies are performed by actors, usually they only re-hire the main cast, like Barbie, her sisters, and Ken, but Clearly they acknowledged Preminger's actor's iconic performance, so they managed to get him back for a cameo, despite his busy schedule on other films.
Makes total sense!
Yeah, Barbie in a fashion Farytale confirms this.
oh my goodness, this comment made me so happy! Thank you for the wholesomeness #premstan
Precisely this!
exactly, it also explains why all the dresses from the main characters are so similar. It's cheaper to just a a few flowers a shiny fabric over the same basic dress, that can be used in different theater productions.
Barbie movies are the only historical sources that should be accepted on an academic fashion history thesis ✨
@Fax I can't prove that the above link is spammy because I refuse to check, but it looks like it and I don't recommend anyone click it.
@@dawn8293 it links to relaxing music they spam on all kinds of videod
I like your pfp and account name
as a person writing a academic research paper on corsets… i don’t think it will be acceptable but i’ll try
Honestly, the fact that the background characters have pretty accurate costumes kinda make me think the costume designers wanted us to know that they did do research, they just chose not to use it on the main characters for the ✨sparkle✨
To clarify, I am completely kidding. I know these designs were made for toy production.
I think they did it to make the main characters easier to sell and mass produce lol
Most of the time these movies are just made to sell toys, so I wouldn't be shocked if they already had the doll designs before they made the movie, which are purely made to appeal to little girls (very basic historical Silhouettes, bright colors, sparkles) namely because little kids don't know much about fashion history so they don't care
@@sleepy_koko this is actually accurate. The merch is already done before the movie so they have a basis on what the designs would look like. Was able to confirm that when they're the doing one of the recent Barbie movies, "Princess Charm School".
I would also imagine maybe that the main characters get designed by a larger team and go through a lot of edits whereas side characters someone gets one or two inspiration pics and copies it and it ends up in the movie, and ends up being more historically accurate
Teams on animated movies normally don’t have a costume-specific section, typically it’s the responsibility of ppl involved in concept art/character design/3D modeling. There weren’t any specific costume designers ^^
if it helps, hobie the rabbit literally says in rapunzel "there's the understatement of the 17th century" so they were absolutely going for the 1600s
I love this comment but also go touch grass
@@HannahTuttle ???
@@skyhideaway i think theyre saying this persons watched a lil too much barbie
i disagree tho. never too much barbie
@@aasha8759 exactly never too much barbie lol
"which is basically Tom Scott" "moving on to the gayest of barbie movies, which is Diamond Castle" YOU'RE SO RIGHT
I didn’t realize that the dresses in the diamond castle were literally the bisexual and lesbian flag until recently lmao.
@@cursedwithsetience4017 you really think that was intended?
@@pengii6804 idk I don’t produce movies and stuff. I just think its insanely appropriate.
@@pengii6804 Even if it isn't who cares
that section gave me whiplash lmaooooo
Fun fact: I was like three when Barbie Nutcracker came out and I watched it on loop. My mom put me in ballet when I was 3 1/2 and I learned the sugar plum fairy from barbie and performed it for my teacher.
Then I fell in love with ballet and had a whole career lol. Barbie Nutcracker is the reason I became a ballet dancer.
Same! It didn’t end up being my career but ballet has been such a big part of my life (I did it for 13 years). Barbie Nutcracker and Swan Lake will always happy a special place in my heart🥰
@@katjalouw918 exactly. At my school in NY we'd do weekend movies and we did a whole day marathon of Barbie ballet movies because everyone in my age group started pretty much because of barbie
oh my god that’s amazing!
@@marissahartshorn7049 NY ? I remember that the dancers for nutcracker, swan lake and twelve princesses were from the New York City ballet!! That's so cool !
My daughter's been in ballet for 3+ yrs I'm sure due to Barbie Swan Lake.
When Karolina says about your historical outfit "it could've been so much worse", you know it's a compliment
As a person who does historically accurate dresses for Barbie... I can die peacefully now. Thank you ❤🙏
where can we find your work? drop the link sis!
yes please! I'd like to see that as well^^
I also want to see the historical Barbie dresses!
I'd love to see that as well
All of us would like to see those dresses.
As a 3D modeler and animator I have to commend the clothing models and textures; they're very good! Especially considering this was early 2000's. Those textures would have been hand painted. The details on Prem's outfits are very, very good. The lace textures on a lot of Barbie's dresses, and that bedchamber maid with the lace hat in Princess and the Pauper, were very good as well. Even the animation holds up very well especially in the 12 Dancing Princesses.
Seriously? They look really bad to me!
@@vickywitton1008 Well sure, now they look bad, but back then they were pretty good.
@@vickywitton1008 girl??? For the time it’s INSANELY impressive especially for the resources they had
True! Thank you!
The low waist line of all of these Barbie dresses really reminds us all that they are relics of the 2000s no
Only meme mom can make a 35 min video of talking the about historical accuracy of barbie movie outfits
You'd think no one would be able to succeed at that task, either.
Must be all her time traveling experience. She has seen enough to heed the inaccuracy of an animated doll's bodice.
And for us to watch the whole thing
@@madysag1997 we love her for that
I dare to disagree, as there are videos published in December 2020 by another Polish costumer, Kasia Staciwa - you can check them out here ruclips.net/video/F5Zkr_7AW7c/видео.html and here ruclips.net/video/LkFc7o8njIE/видео.html --- alas, they are in Polish, but you can check out the pictures/screenshots form Barbie movies and accompanying historical drawings and fashion plates - and yep, they are shorter, but as one takes 18, and another 14 minut approx. they make nearly the same amount of time spent on analysing Barbie from a point of view of a historical fashion :)
I think Micarah Tewers could do it lol
"Awful color palette"
Ngl, that one hurts to hear because the old movies while terribly animated had such a beautiful and calm color palette.
The colours were anything but calm. They were heavily saturated.
@@benkenobi8916 yes that what the new barbie movies is, this person is talking about the old ones (12 dancing princesses, princess and the pauper, island princess etc)
yea I love the colours of the old barbie movies like the palettes are satisfying
the newer movies really did take it too far in terms of colours, secret door is easily the worst offender of this, the magical realm alexa enters is painful and borderline sickening to look at...
especially princess and the pauper and swan lake :c
At least two Barbie movies have Tim Curry as the baddie, and therefore the genre cannot be considered total trash.
wait what? I’ve watched them with Polish dubbing but looks like I’ve been missing out 👀
@ the mouse king from the Nutcracker and Phillippe from The Three Musketeers, as a big Rocky horror fan when it clicked in my head I was like 🙌🙌🙌
And Anjelica Huston is Mother Gothel
I never knew this! Will now watch. My kids can join if they want...
And not to mention, Ms. Captain Marvel a.k.a. Brie Larson sang the theme song for "Magic of Pegasus". 🤣
Annika's purple gown in "magic of pegasus" is just an early 2000s quinceañera dress and i love it♥️
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yes and I can't believe she didn't review it ! That was my favorite movie as a kid
Karolina referring to Preminger as Premi is everything I never knew I wanted in life, also the Preminger Edits is some of the best content to watch on RUclips
I literally wheezed😂 love it
Wasn't expecting Karolina to be simping for Preminger, but it's so hilarious how can I refuse?
Neither did I, but turns out the historical fashion communtiy has one common master, and he is wearing violet velvet.
I see what you did there 👀😌
@@redactedE lmao
In my discord server, there’s an entire meme about one girl simping over preminger, to the point we had to make a sticker 😭
You Lil shit 😂 it took me way too long
The difference between the main and background characters seems very much a ballet-inspired thing to me. Often the background characters in ballets have the interesting/character costumes whereas the main characters have the ‘beautiful’ ones that perhaps don’t fit into an era? Considering The Nutcracker was the first Barbie movie, maybe this is where it originated and then became a bit of a theme? The shorter skirts on the main characters in some scenes seem somewhat reminiscent of tutus as well
I had that same thought, especially with Odile’s ball outfit!
I also think in the barbie movies it has a lot to do with main characters being made into dolls and doll clothing. So they all have the same silhouette to be able to reuse patterns and lack of detail saves on money when recreating them. I also can't help but think that all of the dropped waist lines in barbies dresses are to accommodate it being made into a dress for a doll that needs an opening large enough to get the dolls hips through since the waist is so small.
I'm a ballet dancer and yes it's true, also I realize that most of the costumes are more inspired of ballet costumes rather than historical accuracy
yes, I'm pretty sure the shorter skirts (that aren't tutus) are based on romantic era ballet skirts, like the ones in Les Sylphides or Giselle. The skirts have to be somewhat short to show off the dancers' feet!
"I don't think 12 Dancing Princesses was that good tbh"
so you've chosen death 🙂🔪
It’s been a solid decade since I’ve last seen it and I still have the theme song stuck in my head
@@bluefire9147 because it was iconic!! and the video game they made for it??? brilliant!
Fr it's my favorite
🔫Charm school was better
Tbh I liked it when I watched it but was not hyped like I had been with the first ones, I guess I was a bit too old when it came out (and I'm more or else Karolina's age)
"the gayest of Barbie movies which is the Diamond Castle"
me who used to roleplay the heck outta that movie with my bestie back in nursery: 😬💕💜💙
SAMEEE HELP
No fr I saw nothing romantic at all about their relationship in that movie 😂
@@liannapfister8255 bruh
I feel like while a part of side characters being more accurate is the need to conform the leads to modern beauty standards, it also has to do with the doll production - the leads have to become cheap dolls, so they don't have complicated hairstyles and detailed clothing, just the basic dress styles with printed on accessories
"Barbie does 18th century" is my new catch all term for those horrendous costumes sold online with tags like "Victorian Marie Antoinette Civil War Gothic Rococo dress".
underrated comment
I just choked on the tags😂
Like, while reading them lmao 😅
Alternate history: American Civil War but all the soldiers’ uniforms are rococo.
OMG the whiplash from it all 💀🔥🔥
I haven’t given the Barbie movies much thought in a decade but those Preminger memes bring back such strong memories.
Finally getting the attention he wished for🤭
For some reason, even when the Barbie characters in each role (main female and male lead, villain, current royalty couple) are always the same, we like it in Barbie but hate it in other movies.
maya best girl
I genuinely believe that the rapunzel painting dress scene physical changed me like genetically
Bro same
I just got that one at the library for my three year old. I wondered if Disney ripped the painting thing off for Tangled, and I wondered why the soundtrack was so flipping good.
It just made me gay
Nah, you ain't the only one. I loved that scene!
Thissss
Alternative tittle: _Unhinged Time Traveler completly destroys a kids franchise with nothing but facts_
Bold of you to assume Barbie can be destroyed.
And fan girls over a problematic political figure
Well, as someone who has been involved in the creation process of 3D characters, costumes and accessories on an online community for 14 years, my take is as follow. The mesh (that's what 3D creators tend to call a raw 3D model) of the dress that keeps coming back for various characters and movies (like the 12 princesses) is no surprise to me. If you want to speed up production, the best way is to reuse existing meshes and create new textures for them to make them look slightly different. Another way is to only mesh add-on mesh parts (like puffy sleeves or various collar pieces) instead of meshing a new dress from scratch. It saves time and you can cut the costs when paying meshers as they're only creating fewer new shapes (less work hours). Creating textures like those used in the Barbie movies is no big deal. Most of the clothing textures are really generic in terms of complexity and quality... low investment, fast returns... Capitalism at its finest. The dude in the musketeer movie with the blue mask towards the end of your video seems to have been inspired by the looks of French actor Jean Marais who was known for playing in historical movies or fairy tales. The mask itself seems a nod to his appearance in the live action Beauty and the Beast, in French La Belle et la Bête (which predates Disney's by decades) in which he starred.
Lmao “prince who looks like a thumb”. “I personally will take the guard” WAHAHAHA LOVE YOU SO MUCH!
In Swan Lake, the reason Odile is dressed so weird at the ball is because she is wearing a ballet costume (inaccurate btw) with a romantic tutu. They don't do ballroom dancing; they perform one of the dances from the ballet. This is also true with Odette's first swan gown. It's short and floofy like that cuz it has a romantic tutu for her dancing.
Also... HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE BARBIE MOVIE THAT SHAPED MY CHILDHOOOOD. I _STILL_ CAN'T FIND CYGNUS IN THE NIGHT SKY, AND IVE BEEN TRYING MY WHHHOOOLLLE LIIIIFE. Even if you don't like the story, Odile's and Rothbart's antics are enough to *make* the movie _especially_ Odile's.
"Daddy!!" _"DADDY!!!!"_ "What am I, a _salad_ ???" "EEEEEEHEEHEEHEEEEEHEEEE"
Yes! There is a lot of ballet costume inspiration in that movie! Also when I first watched "Friends" as a teen and heard Janice for the first time my mind went straight to Odile's screechy laugh XD
This is such a side point but the way to find Cygnus in the night sky is to look for three very bright stars forming a large triangle (it's called the summer triangle because it's visible in the summer in the northern hemisphere, but it would be visible in the winter in the south!). One of those stars is Deneb, which is the brightest star in Cygnus. (The brightest star of the three is Vega, part of Lyra, which you can also recognize because it has a small parallelogram shape made of four stars next to it.) Deneb is less bright than Vega, but it has three other bright stars near it forming the wings of the swan. This is hard to explain without visuals but I hope you can find Cygnus!
@@ananthousflorist2249 *_THANK YOUUUU_* ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
"What am I, a salad?" has the same energy as "Please, she sounds like a deodorant"
This movie is the sole reason I look for Cygnus in the sky and I Usually succeed in finding it
The funnier about the ghosts is that they are wearing clothes from eras ahead of them, when they should wearing from eras behind. Guess we have more than ghosts, we have time travelers!!
Death is no excuse for being out of fashion!
"I wouldn't be caught dead in last year's fashion!"
Well, one of them IS the Ghost of Christmas Future.
In the Nutcracker ballet, Clara traditionally wears either a completely waist-less night dress (often with a Bertha collar) or else an empire waisted nightdress, so that's why they did that in the movie. Ditto with Odile's ball gown in Swan Lake. They were going for the Black Swan tutu idea (but they should have gone for a tutu for Odette too, if they did that).
my uncle was an editor on the barbie films while i was growing up so i had,,, all of them. this video feels like it's for me personally, thank you
edit: i said "had" like i don't still have them including my original vhs copies
alternative title: Karolina telling cartoons to cover their necks for 35 minutes and 8 seconds
What I appreciate about The Princess and the Pauper is that the MUSIC is historically accurate. They sing minuets and stuff.
THANK YOU! Yours is the first comment I've seen acknowledging that detail!
I feel educated by this RUclips comment, thanks!
There's also harpsichord in the score too!
I love how the content warning isnt "GRAPHIC" OR "EXPLICIT", but "DETAILED". That's true dedication to your craft.
I think it's also hard to tell for some because like, Clara's sugar plum fairy dress is clearly more based on romance ballet outfits. (think giselle) than anything typical people would historically wear. Same for a lot of the short skirts, very either romance or tutu based. (like in 3 musketeers or the ghost fairy)
Which is interesting cause the ballet style makes sense for movies like the nutcracker or swan lake, where the stories are coming from ballet. but for 3 musketeers or christmas carol? that's a choice they made to make it more ballet inspired than typically historical.
She just added more fuel to the "that girl from island princess is the mother of the twelve dancing princesses" fire
I never thought I’d witness someone simping for Preminger like she just did
I watched that movie growing up and still own it but I never thought anyone cared about him like that.
You have no idea..the fandom always simps for him lol
He's just about one of the most simped Barbie men.
people are obsessed with him, it’s so funny
I can't believe Karolina is one of mine.
I also absolutely love how much Karolina just knows her brand and her audience. This whole video is so fucking on point, but the best bit is the title (DETAILED). Just cracks me up
My girl delivers!
"medieval meets belle époque" is honestly my ideal aesthetic ngl
Basically the preraphaelites which I love ❤️
5:14 That dress looks to be inspired by the style of tutu called a romantic tutu. It has a skirt-like silhouette compared to the pancake tutu and platter tutu that people usually think of when they think ballet. The romantic tutu was French and was the original tutu. If I remember correctly, it wasn't a style until the 1830s. The Nutcracker was first performed in the 1890s, so this movie would have to be the late 19th century in order to be historically accurate. Romantic tutus are still used present day, usually in the performance of classic ballets like The Nutcracker, Giselle, Swan Lake, etc. and often in the large cast scenes (in solos and pas de deux, women ballerinas tend to wear pancake or platter tutus so that the choreography can be better observed). So yes, that night dress was absolutely, without a doubt inspired by ballet costuming of the time. Romantic tutu for the skirt, classic ballet costume bodice, and decorative sleeve/strap.
14:46 I had this doll with the dress, and I can tell you that is not an apron; it's an overskirt attached to the bodice. With Barbie's supposed socioeconomic position in the beginning of Swan Lake, it really doesn't make sense that she would own (much less regularly wear) such fine fabric, but...
Watching this made me realize how much of a staple Barbie fashion was in my art as a kid. Every time I drew a princess or princess like character, they were always wearing the sectioned out dress.
Oh same!! Each and every time lol
Ikr
YESS 😩
I've just realised this too! Anytime i drew anything royal, it always looked like barbie character's clothes.
Same for me, it's amazing
I’m honestly pretty impressed, animation wise, that I can tell that some of the dresses in Barbie a Christmas Carol are velvet. My biggest issue with Barbie movie costumes is that basically all the fabrics look the same even when you know they aren’t. But somehow they got those dresses to be velvet, which implies that they could make the other fabrics look better but they just choose not to. They choose to subject us to the weirdly flat drape of all the Barbie movie costumes, which is somehow worse.
To be fair, cloth is still one of the most difficult things in CGI, and the movies she talked about first were from the early 2000s vs. Barbie Christmas Carol which came out in the late 2000s.
They did the detailing very well beginning in 2008 which is the year they made "Barbie in A Christmas Carol", and moving forward they've been great. Just so happens that the previous ones we're not polished at all...
Also it can be due to the doll's design too since that's already made even before the animation was created.
Karolina: *complementing movies I've never heard of*
Also Karolina: *absolutely destroying my favourite movies*
She really did!! I could not believe she dissed 12 dancing princesses
@@louisemarnell6298 yes!! And the three musketeers were one of my favourite movies as a child! I'd watch it nonstop
The 12 dancing princesses and swan lake are my favourites.
@@blondedarkness6258 yes they're great
this but also the validation i felt from her gushing over Gentleman Jack??? unparalleled
Barbie man in a movie:
Karolina: *Cover yo damn neck*
The reason why the secondary characters are dressed more accurately than the mains (and sorry if you said this and I missed it) is because the outfits of Barbie, her love interest, and whatever other main girls they have that time, are usually designed by doll designers for the purpose of selling dolls. The doll outfits are designed first and usually made first. And then the secondary characters I would guess are designed by character designers instead. Since they don't have to make, package and sell those clothes to modern young girls, they can keep them more historically accurate.
20:10 She literally slays… her husband. And possibly her second husband. And attempts to slay all the guests at her daughter’s wedding. And the animals.
hot
So? She still looks good
I grew up on these very poorly animated Barbie movies. I’m so ready for this!
Omg that was so long…
I never realized how poorly animated these movies are lmao 8 year old me ate these up
@@NoName-dx1no to be fair these movies were made starting 20 years ago, at the same time as Monsters Inc but without the dedication and ingenuity of Pixar.
Nutcracker - 2001
Rapunzel - 2002
Swan Lake - 2003
Princess and the Pauper - 2004
12 Dancing Princess - 2006
Island Princess - 2007
Diamond Castle - September 2008
Christmas Carol - November 2008
Three Musketeers - 2009
*I haven’t seen most of these movies, I just checked Wikipedia.
Well, they're direct-to-DVD movies that we're made to promote Barbie dolls so they won't prioritize the animation but at least they have the heart to create the stories very well.
I grew up a little later, with Fashion Fairytale, Mermaid Tale, Princess and the Popstar and stuff. I did still watch the older ones, but they weren't the ones I was most excited about.
karoline: "she is a ghost, she is a fairy, we shouldnt really pay attention to her dreass..."
"...."
"BUT-"
In defense of the aunt's outfit from the 12 dancing princesses, she ran through her money really quickly and could no longer afford her lavish lifestyle for such a long time that even her carriage was falling apart. So if her clothes seem WAAAAY out of date, it was probably on purpose to accentuate her villain story.
The Christmas Carol one being the most accurate makes me so happy because it's my underappreciated fave. The main character is so different from every other barbie main because of being obviously based on scrooge, it's so refreshing.
My four year old son found that movie last Christmas and he loves it! I had never seen it before. I don't remember any ads for it when it came out.
Periodt 💅✨
That movies deserves more love. I don't understand why people don't like that movie. Eden's character development ✨
@@mcwjes the ads that times was the Holiday Barbie 2008 because the doll's dress is what Barbie is wearing in the movies while telling Kelly the story of Eden
@@jka1165 Ah! That makes sense.
Anyone who read the obscure fanfiction _Mirror and Dust_ would tell you that 17:01 isn't a dumb copy of Preminger, it's just a younger Preminger when he was still early in his political carreer.
In conculsion, everything is fine, we don't need to riot today.
Omg. Hold up, if it's any good, where can I read this? It sounds hilarious
Dang, that's a good amount of fic. Thanks for the rec!
@@CiarnaK No problem, I enjoyed it so much that I kind of want to spread it in the Preminger fandom. It's a pretty good backstory for him.
I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I did!
Edit: Oh yea, btw it's not finished yet, but the author said she's not abandoned it, she just wants to rework some stuff but plans to finish it eventually. But I feel like I should warn about its unfinished status.
@@cyanmint1173 WTF YT keeps deleting every reply I try sending your way. This is my 4th attempt.
You can find it easily by googling the title with Preminger somewhere in the search. I'm sorry you didn't get an answer, but YT keeps deleting my comment for some reason.
I remember always being super impressed as a kid that the Barbie movies had the Prague or Czech national symphonies recording the music for their soundtrack... I wasn't until i was older that I realized Mattel just bought the rights to use old concert recordings XD
Yeah haha. I remember seeing the London Symphony Orchestra in the credits and I felt like I'd watched something prestigious.
@@Bottomgear5780 it’s okay, I literally only realized it at 20 when I was doing a music theory elective
They did!? I never noticed lmao
@@cora7373 The score for Barbie as Rapunzel is literally Dvorak's "New World Symphony" (I still can't hear the piece without thinking about it!)
@@prettypic444 I'm just discovering this now in my 20s...
As someone who’s special interest growing up was Barbie, I basically screamed with excitement when I saw the title of this video 😂😂
11:50 Hobie (the Bunny) actually gives the timeline of this movie when he says “that’s the understatement of the 17th century.”… I am so obsessed with Barbie I knew that by heart. Idk that they actually followed the timeline though. 🤣
I really appreciate you digging into this because I have tried to figure out the timelines for the other movies (I want to make accurate-ish Barbie costumes) I never could figure it out. This was is so great to watch. Always love your videos! ❤️
but dating a dress as “would work really well for a 1980s prom” is savage compliment
I think the nightgown of Nutcracker Barbie is inspired by Russian ballet dancing Nutcracker. I am nuts for the Nutcracker, I watched it about 20 times by different ballets live and 50 times on RUclips and TV and so on, and 90 percent of the time when it's a traditional take on the ballet, including costumes, she wears a nightgown with a high waist that just covers her knees. I may be wrong here beause I have no expertise in this but I think this is what the dresses ballerinas trained in used to look like. The Nutcracker himself also usually wears a red suit that looks a lot like in the Barbie film.
Also I think they are wearing short dresses to a ball in Swanlake for purposes of showing off the ballet dancing. Can't see the leggies with the dressies.
Yeah. I remember seeing the Nutcracker play before the movie came out (I have an early age type memory) and the outfits in the movie were spot on to what I saw on the play. The outfits for the two MCs are very accurate to plays. For that reason I think it follows history very well. Probably an A.
So I am a ballet dancer, the older training outfits of dancers actually more closely resembled more of a romantic tutu with a blouse or something closer to a simple dress cut to around the knees, but the nightgown is taken almost directly from many nutcracker productions as the raised waistline and higher cut of the dress make it easier to show off your lines and move your legs. As far as ballet costumes, the costumes are generally taken from styles of the era the ballet was made in or was trying to emulate and made shorter or into tutus to allow for ease of movement, especially by the advent of the 19th century. Sometimes costuming eras do get mixed in ballets simply because of the era when the costumes were originally designed. So if they are trying to emulate ballet costumes they are doing a fairly good job, though Odette should be wearing a tutu in my opinion.
Yep ive seen a few different ones british aussie russian and everyone ive seen shes wearing a mid to short nightgown and usually to her elbows but i think its suppose to be more like that than an adult full length long sleeve kind cause shes more a school girl/coming of age type vs adult which i feel like in the movie shes probably close to marriagable age but still a minor in our modern view. So yeah plus maidens and married women often had different everything dress rules hairstyles etc so it woildnt surprise me if the shorter nightgown and stuff reflected that and then was altered further to suit ballet dancers and styles.
i was thinking this myself!
I think my ballet life is based on these movies..
I swear Barbie was so badly animated yet so interesting.
I wish they would make all the other bad new barbie movies like the old ones with the bad animation, I think the animation gave the movies character
@@wiredmaus_2 maybe the same look and colors but better quality. The main reason that those movies are better is because of the colours, story and even the looks being more realistic and appealing then the vibrant neon rainbow childrens universe it is now.
It wasn't badly animated, just bafly drawn.
Not really badly animated if you compare to other direct-to-DVD animation movies at the time of their releases. If they have a better budget like Disney or Dreamworks, they could've been better but they're made to promote dolls so.
They had great stories, but very direct-to-DVD animation. However for the time they weren't that bad given the budget.
Have you seen Micarah's video where she does historically accurate dresses of the princess and the pouper?
Her Princess Anneliese dress with all the folded ribbons is epic. I really enjoyed watching that video.
@@jessicag630 Yeah!!! Is super cute
I love Barbie movies with all of my heart, especially 2001-2009 ones. The plot, the music, the dances, the characters, the music - everything is perfect.
Let's take a moment to appreciate the pure cost-cutting efficiency of recycling the same 3D models of background characters and costumes over and over again. I mean, there were several more of that "Anna" lookalike in that ball scene. xD
I was looking for this comment xd
I COUNTED 4
And at least three of the one in purple that was standing near her
This is the comment I was waiting for lol
It's also canon that Barbie movies are just Barbie characters acting. So the background characters are just other actors
My friend and I used to quote Preminger all the time so when he became a huge meme I felt like such a hipster, like I made Preminger memes before it was cool
I had no idea he had become a meme until now, I thought he was hilarious as a kid XD
When did Preminger become a meme?! Like, he was one of my fav characters from the movie!
Wait omg he’s a meme? My friend and I used to always say to each other “how can I refuse” on a nearly daily basis
oh yeah, "How can I refuse?" was a joke in my family before we knew about it being a joke on the Internet.
Same here , I always remembered him but didn't know he was popular 😂
watching Karolina rate a the Mouse Kings outfit from a barbie movie is something i didnt know i needed
When you said “I had younger siblings so I could watch Barbie movies without being judged” it reminded me SO MUCH of my older sister. When she was in late elementary school she had one of those “no pink! No girly stuff!” phases. I would watch Barbie movies all the time and she’d “wander into the room” and stay to watch so “she could make fun of it” (and then remained quiet and enthralled the entire time). Then later she’d get Barbie movies from the library to watch them “ironically”. Mmkay girl, sure
I love how you rated not only the protagonists, but all of the characters focusing on men's clothing as well! I find it annoying how people usually don't care about it
I just love that we’re all rediscovering our Barbie obsession now that we’re adults and understand true art 😌
Also, loving the Preminger appreciation✨
Ok but whether or not clothing is completely historically accurate, we can all agree that the movies are amazing
"every Barbie movie is a convoluted magical girl transformation" is my favorite fan theory
"I owned a VHS of that, which obviously means it's very important."
This, yes. True for anything.
I loved the nutcracker movie, cause they obviously went with the ballet costumes. Clara's nightgown is exactly what the young dancer would wear on stage (maybe not pink, but it works)
"I had younger siblings, so could watch Barbie movies without being judged."
I am 24 and still shamelessly watch them. I love the Fairytopia series the most ❤️
because fairytopia is the BEST
Yes. Fairytopia's universe has so much potential for more barbie movies..
I'm 25 and I watch them with my friends sometimes 👌🏻
With the Sugar Plum Princess outfit, I believe it's actually based on the New York City Ballet first costume for the sugar plum fairy. She starts in a more romantic style tutu in the opening (longer skirts are typically referred to as romantic tutus). It makes sense that the dress is inspired by nycb because the choreography is the nycb version.
I can't wait to see you rate on the legendary Preminger.
Edit : I'm not disappointed, not only you give him a proper opinion but also understand what makes him iconic, you definitely earned my respect.
"The background characters look better than the main characters" is just history movies in general.
3:00 This seems common in a lot of period dramas too. Random extras will be dressed reasonably well, but the main characters have to be pretty/hot enough for modern standards, which means the hair, makeup, and silhouettes have to change...pretty much anything that would make the show visually immersive.
Everyone loves Preminger he should of been king
Fandom chose Preminger as their king
I mean, how can we refuse?
Raise every glass, and rouse every cheer,
Praise that the reign of Preminger is here!
Master in charge of all that I see!
ALL HAIL MEEEEEE-
A thorough review of historical Barbie costumes is exactly what I needed on this fine Thursday afternoon
Same 🥺
Me too
Me too
Barbie in a Christmas carol is my favorite Barbie movie almost exclusively because of the clothes and hair (and the fact that Barbie has flaws and gets an interesting personality) and people are sleeping on this movie, it is honestly one of the best ones
Yes! It's genuinely so good
I remember being so excited that a MC in a Barbie movie had the same name as me only to find out that they'd be a bitch for most of the movie 😭
Yes! It's my favourite Barbie movie alongside Princess and the Pauper!
Glad everyone agrees that Preminger is one of the greatest Barbie characters to ever grace our eyes
I 100% expected Christmas Carol to be the highest, even as a kid knowing nothing about historical fashion it felt the most real
Btw for the Christmas Carol the MC of the story isn’t Barbie, it’s just Barbie telling a a story about a girl it’s just like Barbie thumbelina technically it’s Barbie presenting thumbelina she is just telllingbthe story of it so our lesson if if you want historically accurate outfits don’t have Barbie be the MC lmao
Also apparently in the Barbie universe a lot of the Barbie movies are like movies too in the Barbie universe, and like Barbie is an actress acting out those movies so technically speaking those outfits are very accurate in showing us how bad the accuracy of the costumes for period films are for Hollywood
That's deep
I mean thats technically the case for most of the early Barbie movies that start with the storytelling framing device, its just more obvious with Christmas Carol because Eden's personality is so far removed from Barbie's. The restraining factor is less "Barbie being the MC" and more... convincing Mattel that they can mass produce a historically accurate dress for Barbie while still making it appealing to the kids
That actually makes a lot of sense
when animated Barbie movies capture historical garments better than million(s) of USD budget films smh
Barbie movies are truly iconic
And in the ball of Barbie and The Musketeers, we not only have one Anna from frozen, we dozens of her clones around the ball! It's amazing how everybody wore the same clothes and had the same hairstyle and color!! 33:32
Karolina: "'Barbie and the Nutcracker' was the first Barbie movie ever made..."
The 'Barbie & the Rockers' movies: Are we a joke to you?
'Nutcracker' was the first modern Barbie movie and it's one of the best! Neat video! :D
Came all the way down to your comment to find anybody say anything about Barbie and the Rockers! Tbh they are superior, music as well.
I also came here to nitpick about this lmao fans who take Barbie too seriously rise up
The movie itself pushes this narrative, lol. I've seen copies that say it's the first full length Barbie movie on the front.
The "moaning ferret" made me laugh so much for several minutes my chest hurts and I'm crying 🤣🤣🤣🤣