I like to train the main stem by pulling it to the side to allow the lower branches to catch up, that way you can not top but still have an even canopy. But I also like topping while growing those same strains next to other so I can see the difference in growth. Always experimenting
I seen one grow op where they bend the main stalk to the north, which then opens the rest of the branches up to the sun, and keep it even as the sun goes more southbound towards fall.
Great video. I've been a long time smoker but this year am doing my first outdoor grow. I picked up your recharge product. It's been making my plants so happy. I've been running into heat stress but am still good as of rn
@@ScottyReal420 I've been doing this " Dutch table method " continuously for about 13 years now, growing in 5"x5"x7" pots, using expanded clay pellet mediums. I'm in my 50's and it had been a dream of mine since reading about it in High Times back in the 80's, lol. It has it's pros and cons, but if you're a commercial grower and don't mind the amount of work involved, it's really not a bad system. The biggest struggle , imo , is that if you want to really get the most bang for your buck, as far as your investments into equipment and electricity, you have to really put a lot of effort into maximizing the use of the space you have, and in order to be putting regular crops into flower that are ideally as close to uniformity as possible ( Same height ), you have to actually grow more than what you plan to put into flowering So for my 4'x4' flowering tables, they will fit 36 of those pots I use, but in order to get 36 plants that are uniform in height, I have to grow at least 45 plants in the veg room to be able to pick the best ones ( Some are always behind the others in growth ) You need quite a bit of space, you have to always deal with 10+ straggler plants that don't make it into that round of flowering with the rest of the crop, this means you either have to start mixing batches of plants in your veg room ( This can become a nightmare if you have a lot of strains, it can also easily spread pathogens if you are not taking the time to be clean as possible ), or you kill the plants, meaning you wasted time and money growing them out, or, you pot them up as new mothers ( the best choice ) Then, you have to consider the morphology of what you are flowering I have some strains that branch heavily and/or have bud density perfect for trapping moisture in the air, and packing 36 into a table is asking for trouble ( Mold ), like Breeder Steve's Shishkaberry Then I have other strains that I can easily pack 36 into my table because when they branch, they branch up instead of out, and the bud density is not conducive to trapping humid air, so mold is not a concern, like Dos Si Dos In short, my experience, is that the " Dutch table method " has the capability to be highly productive, but it's A) Not for novices, B) Not for the lazy, C) Requires the right strains to really maximize the profits ( If profits are what you are after ), and requires you really make some effort to control the environmental conditions as tightly as possible You try growing something that's super nice smoke, but bad yielding, and this growing method won't pay your bills, and if you grow something that yields heavily but is just so-so smoke, it works against you as an income source and also won't pay your bills Despite the ups and downs I've had using this system over the years, it is the one that has proven to be the cheapest and easiest to maintain, as a commercial grower I don't use PGR's, the CO2 comes from the pilot light in my hot water heater and my breath, and I run a small 10K BTU AC in my flowering room in the summer No fancy bells and whistles, just regular 3 part AN nutes. I do not use the suggested amounts, I cut it down to 2/3 what they say to use ( Less is more ), and I flush with pure water for 3 whole weeks at the end of flower, and turn my lights down to about 30% to simulate dim fall light. This is when the buds fatten up nicely, the plant uses the stored nutrients up and sheds the leaves I run 6 veg tables, 2'x4', with 7"x40" tables between and on the sides to catch the footprint of the fixture. Everything is lit by T5's running only 2 bulbs for the first week after cuttings get repotted, then up to 4 bulbs for the remainder of the 2 month veg period. I never even use all 8 bulbs in any of my T5 fixtures, and I use weaker / stronger light to control growth rates of my mothers so I can cycle strains into flowering when I choose ( Iow, indirect light for a plant will slow growth rate ) Flowering is in 4'x4' tables, and I run anywhere from 2 to 7 at once, depending on the season, winter being the best for me HLG 550's and 600 watt HPS, mixed spectrum bulbs After harvest, I dry the pots and rootballs in a closet dryer I made that runs the hot exhaust from my AC ( 140f ) through it, this does a great job at sterilizing my growing media, and also drying the roots to ready the clay pellets for sifting to remove roots. They get soaked 2x, with hydrogen peroxide, then bleach, then a fresh water soak and rinse overnight with more hydrogen peroxide, and they are ready to reuse again. I've been re-using the same clay pellets for years with no problems ( just make sure everything is tested, the runoff ) Thanks for your videos !
Erect four tall posts that are a foot or two higher than your average canopy, string two cables parallel to eachother between the posts, and then run a white tarp or meshy shade cloth on the cables through the grommets. This should help prevent the cloth from snagging buds trying to drape it by hand every few days. On hotter cloudless days you can easily deploy the shade cloth in a moment and still benefit from full sun without burning the plants, plus it will help keep the soil cool and limit evaporation. Im thinking of doing exactly this next season, since im in the desert and at altitude and moisture leaves so rapidly simply standing by damp dirt you can feel the cooling effect of moisture evaporating (my neighbor actually soaks his whole yard every afternoon and i can feel the difference in the breeze when it blows from their yard) Another benefit on my part is rapidly deployable hail protection, we get anything from bb sized hail to softballs that shred mighty trees and i think a shade or tarp will help prevent hail damage to some extent. I just hope im home if it hits.
I’m currently in a 3x3 running 2 plants. Topping helps fill out the 2 plants. I used to just let them grow and with topping and training I’ve doubled my harvests. And all of the tops have that bag appeal buds.
I am a noob but one alternative I learned from a reputable grower video was at about 5 nodes into veg remove all leafs covering nodes at about a 50-70% removal rate one time before a feeding(I am doing hydro). It not only gives the budding sites all the light they can get while giving you a clean workspace to seperate bud sites using a trellis but also the stress is a positive. The idea is the plant panicks and puts all its energy into the bud sites giving them a huge boost and resulting in more big nugs later on. In my space and being too scared to top yet I found this to have created a very nice canopy and the plants responded very positive to this as well. Probably doubled the amount of protruding budding site on the plants with this vs my first grow of a single huge center with a late trellis setup and deflower before flipping to flower.
Only allowed 6 flowering plants in my area, and I like to do a single top and then use bud clips to bend the main stem over so I get a fairly even canopy.
Rad videos man. I don't usually have the attention span for begging to end of grow vids but urs always interesting!! I mix it up. If I'm doin bubble hash I let em Doo their thing for 6 weeks veg. it's a goin In the ice bag. Also let em go mad if I'm breeding. Tbf if I top for just herb it 3 arms and 4 week veg.
I use 7 gallon fabric pots with shoestring holes around the lip of the pot that I use to low stress train the branches and I gently fold them down to around 90 degrees and all the bud site branches turn up to the light within an hr and 99% of my buds are solid usable buds very little airy buds .
At my commercial grow, we started out with 1030 plants per flower room at .75sqft per plant. We have since worked our way to 300 plants or 4sqft per plant
So for my first ever grow i decided it'd be best to do no topping and very mininal pruning or shaping to get a feel for their normal growth and structure, ive literally only really yellow leafed it so far. So i could then better understand the how and why behind topping and pruning techniques while being able to compare it to an unpruned plant. Not pruning ironically saved my ass, because if they would've been pruned even moderately the grasshoppers wouldve eaten all that remained rapidly long before flower (worst hopper season they've seen in decades out here) now that theyre established and i have the hoppers under control i need to defoliate within reason for an outdoor grow. I want to maximize light to the plant center, while not pruning so heavily that they fry in the sun until we get more consistently cool weather. Despite the lack of pruning during their veg growth they made some mighty strong branches, the stalks are about 2in thick, and they got a nice Christmas tree shape thats about 6ft tall thats gonna make for some beautiful super fat colas. Been about three weeks since i noticed buds and they're already getting faaaaat. Could be even better once i prune.
@Official_ScottyReaI420 wow thank you. I got hacked and had to get a new debit card. How do I check my account for the DGC and get it fixed? Sorry I am not good with tech stuff. Trying to change that though lol.
I don't top but train them from early age tied to the totes. It don't pay to grow stem. I try to grow them wide and bushy for a level canopy. No netting. Then put into flower at the larf light level on my lights. So not getting larf buds. And not defoliating. I try for 18" to 24" colas like a babies leg. And they are strong stems and thick. Which maybe why I need the extra CaMg and silica mixed in.
It only takes one flower cycle to train you vegging plants . even if you take cuts the day before flip , 8-9 weeks is a long time to go from cloner to solo to finishing pot w grow dots . i leave a few nodes on my clones . it takes a few more days to root , but you have 3 grow spots to multiply and start spreading out . i like bending them down as opposed to topping but thats all strain or pheno dependent . SHAPING AND TRAINING ARE HUGE .
I grew huge trees outdoors this year from seed but only because I messed up on the indoor start and they got really leggy. I used bamboo stakes and got good buds. Now I am topping and gonna low stress on my grow tent girls
By shaping my plants, I’m averaging 128 grams per plant. I’m doing my first run of autos and if I can get 80 grams per plant, that’ll be a win in my book.
Scotty recharge is kicking and keep my lady happy, man, and timing my topping with the weekly dose of recharge have this llady looking almost too damn good to smoke jk thank you for putting back into the community
Do not disagree with anything you said! But plants do react differently ,from topping sometimes Which you would not know until you did it. So experimenting is the key. Some plants topped give nice multiple bud sites and more headspace total winner! Maybe you have more headspace less floor space? sometimes it grows better not topped! If you take a plant with weaker side branching and you top you have more weak side branches that need to be keep from falling! That is why skunk was used in so many if not all crosses for the plants structure. For its outstanding strong side branching and steady genetics So is pure indica type plants makes for good crosses I have a favorite I grow smaller plant tons of side branching but weak branches, Pain in the ass! Topped makes a bigger mess! Vegged longer Side branches become a little stronger pack on more weight! So I have been crossing to try to make the side branches thicker First I found the right male and female of the same family. Look good in veg very small and compact! It is not hard to turn into a weed nerd! I used original blueberry to cross too a great partner for structure! I like smaller plants that do not need to be topped Takes some experimenting and time! And a good set of lungs! Good job pushing the craft of home growing, Fun thing about growing you can truly create your own high and plant structure! It is not that difficult and you always produce bud! I like a body blow for body pain and I like that euphoria rush! So I fool around try to have both the structure I want and the buzz! One of my best so far for was original grandaddy small plant crossed with original blueberry heavy Thai leaning came out really good and I am no rocket scientist! I have 3 tents running one is for flower! “Weed nerds” or stoner either one is ok with me!
Was taught to cut the center stem off 40 years ago. Used to grow 6 main stems, no training, just lollipopping. Started training the plants. Still learning. So much easier now that we are "legal" where I live. Thanks for all the great info. I use two HID lights so I can angle them in from the sides, not just straight down from the top.
100 watt LED I'm at 14 inches sometimes I'll have to up the light on certain strains as i get leaf burn. I can't run my lights at 100 cause of heat. Damn cheap Amazon bloomspect and a guan & hon led. Cost only line 50$for both so of course i couldn't pass em up. This was 2yrs ago
I have a question... especially for anyone who has grown Cherry Pie before... I have a Cherry Pie that's been just chillin back behind my Melonaid zkittles for a while now. Shes in a 3 gal fabric. Her trichs all seem so uniform in a manila envelope beige, or like, light brown sugar. But no irregular ones, you know how some of the heads should have dark browns in there? I'm not seeing that, they all look very uniform. But I mean, it's GOT to be about done by NOW, surely. In my grow journal it seems I planted her 3-18, so she's 116 days old lol. it's full spectrum lights in there. I been watching her, but i guess time just got away from me. That's roughly twice the time they say on the site where you order the seeds. Oh well, like I said, I'm a noob with cannabis. Any advice from you long time master Jedi would be appreciated. Basically, Should I go ahead and give her the ol' George Washington, and also, would it be worth trying to clone her since she stretched? I might be better off cloning one of my Ya Hemis. Also, anyone running vivosun Aerolight 150SE? I would love to know what power settings you are running yours at. mine seems stupid strong. Gotta have it down in the 30%'s or it starts to be too much on them. and yeah, with it all the way up in the top of a 2x4x6. They're hung about 5.5 feet up or maybe a touch more. I left a bit of room for the air this thing ejects. (It's that grow light with a built in cooling fan.) Thanks to all of you out there, this community is the BEST PEEPS.
I have a good question,,,I don't know if it's been done but can you graft a cannabis plant,,take a branch off of one plant type and graft it into a branch on another type 🤔
Yes you can. There is a German RUclips that put 4 different strains on one root System. Not sure if it's still alive since the last video but should be possible from what I saw. Btw the channel I mean is called Chillwelten
I use lights on all sides of my plants basically. Got one above. One kind of diagonally above on the back left and diagonally from the top left. And from the left side straight over. And from the bottom facing diagonally up from the back bottom. You'd think it's overkill but most are just cheap azz grow lights. 2 are cheap 20-30 dollar square lights. One of which is pretty decent. The other 2 on sides are cheap grow bulbs in lamps. And the ine up top is an amazon mars hydro. Cheapest I could find that looked decent was like 80-90 bucks Definitely plan to upgrade and start making wine for CO2 distribution to the grow room.. And just to get back into making wine 🍷
yes doing many small plants lets me have a veriety being stuck with a huge plant of 1 smoke sucks big time when you can have a few strains in same space
Great video! Definitely agree that training and aiming to have optimal PPFD across an even foot print is the way to both awesome quality and yield. Never heard of Real Grow Labs before this! I Just joined posted a picture of my Scrog. - Doc
1 Central Cola but been doing the next Cola down seems to good so far but do different things to different plants seeing how they react to different methods
„For me, it’s not about how many grams per watt you get, but how much yield per square meter per day is possible. Here’s an example: with 14 days of veg and 63 days of flowering, that’s a total of 77 days. If the yield is 650 g/m², then 650 ÷ 77 = 8.44 g/m² per day. This is a much more meaningful metric for me to evaluate the efficiency of a strain or setup.“
It just became legal here in ohio. I moved from tents to an open room I'm running 12 plants in a 6x10 area and that's too many. I think I'm gonna do 8 plants from now on
If you are in Columbus, there is a Menards on Morse road that sells a product called Reflectix that you can put on walls, ceiling and floor to get more light on the plants. It's in the insulation section and it's highly reflective and not very expensive, 100 square feet for $46. They have reflective tape for doing the seams. It basically turns your entire grow room into a giant grow tent.
Hey Man, there is a lot of Discussion about UVA and what it does to your yield. Many say it does not much, but i have one observation: The Buds that are further away from the Light get the longer Lightwaves and are ready to harvest at the same time as the big buds up top. What is your opinion?
@@tommyheron464 You are probably right, i am by no means an expert. So do the shorter wavelengths penetrate further? Or was it just a random observation?
@Scotty Real Do you ever do any experiment grow's.. since you like to twist, snap and mangle your plants into place.. have you ever considered using water from a young green coconut as a growth hormone.. as that water also contains many different hormones, auxins etc and those others that strenghtens plant and also develope strong roots
Best I've done is make the plant grow horizontally. Everything was top buds and made so much that I quit halfway through harvest and let the freeze get the rest😂
Everybody loves a great big fox tail but I pinch out the tops on all of my grows now for one single reason: mould. I grow in a greenhouse so if the weather is bad towards the end of the season mould wipes out half of the big tops, the air flow is just so poor. And if you've let the main cola grow out that's like half or more of your crop gone if your plants are kept to three feet like mine, also if you put a great big top in your drying room and you haven't seen that mould patch it can do terrible harm in just a day or two.
The inverse square law only applies to radial point sources. A lens means this % light at X distance stuff is nonsense. Or just reflectors like the walls of most grow tents.
So...I am all new to this I just started growing, I'm growing an Auto and I was wondering if I catch it in time can I top it at least once I'm not looking to do it several times but once would be nice
@@actionjksn well I know you for sure can not clone Autos but I've heard you can top them if you catch them in time but not sure that's why I am hoping to hear Scotts opinion
I chop in flower with photos just don't do a lot at once that way the recovery ain't as long also u can defoliate in flower close to flush to add some stress to force the rest of them trichomes out
Hi Scotty Real love yours and Hi-C’s content! I am a UK medicinal grower of Jamaican lettuce plants! I have only ever used the Organic method but I am really struggling with it! Would you be willing to send me a sample of your grow dots so I can try them before committing to purchasing the full size packs! Keep up with the great content 👍
Indoor vs outdoor... it's easier to grow wide outdoors. I have a hand full of sativas that are 3 feet wide and 16 inches tall. Lose count or bud sights. Outdoor grow after topping with full sun, the plant basically lollipops itself. Just take out the first node that never gets passed the second node and use them for clones.
Strain dependent as a wise man once said. My Kali Mist will be in veg for 4 month or more. No info will protect me, this thing will be seen from outter space. And most "breeder" have 0 consistency - their stable seeds are a pheno hunt. So their info is just a guess. Even worse, if they give you the info that they grew 45 mini clones in rockwool, would you adopt your style?
out doors shit ton of lsm and top said plant in my opinion .. now with indoor if your grower to make flip growth id say 10 8X8 room 8 for flowering 2 for veg 1 4x4 used for starter clones and the other plant and the the rest 3 weeks of veg there then second room with light set at set high of 3.5 ft then switch over too the 8 8x8 room plant at 8 inch pots 35 pre room is shit tons.. it figure out after the first 6 months you have 8 rooms your able too pop off every 2 weeks in this way with a stagger set up
I found if you train a plant evenly level leaving the top up higher it keeps growing. But as soon as the top is trained level with the rest of the plant. The whole plant goes upward with lots bud site all even. So far Blue Dream, Super Silver Haze, GG#4, Gelato, and Gold Leaf I have found it works well with. Makes them shorty bushy and full of buds. No topping just clones taking when lollipoping. Some strains I do prefer to top though.
Yeah I learned why not to top too early🤣. Only outside I'll do it now on. Inside I do the full bend over with high success rates. Minimum 11 tops with my rope at top of plant tied to the corner pole. 🫡
@@thomasjones3508 Plant instability, Hermys are Theo worst out come because the plant can self produce, good genes can help , Though what's special about the 5th fingers is that the plant has established enough tap root , When you top early you cut off the tap root , So your second pot should at least be 1 gallon then about 1 week after transplant top them , Out door no need to top as the plant will bush in indica , sativa will soar Hope this helps out , all about the tap root
Yield still matters. Quality didnt just appear. Its always been a goal. Top quality. But , umm quantity is just as important. I dont have to choose 1 over the other. I chose both, along time ago. Nothing has changed.
I think if I did volume grows with like 100 plants I would still top them. I just don't think it would take that long. I'm sure I could top 100 plants in a couple of hours or so, definitely way less than a day. You wouldn't need to be as meticulous about it as you are when you do just a few plants.
It all comes down to genetics. If you are growing indoors you need to top sativas because they get too tall and they won't yield as much on the apex leader. However indicas are already kind of bushy and short as they are and you won't get high quality yields from topped indicas, just a shitload of popcorn nugs which is just a nightmare to trim.
You're right. I have a Cyborg indica plant and it looks like a huge bush and is as wide and probably a bit wider than it is tall, and I've never topped it. It looks like it's been topped like crazy but it's all natural. I would like to find a bushy sativa strain, because I prefer the high of sativa because indica puts me to sleep.
Don’t top, pinch. That small ball in the new growth, just take that off. Less stress as less is taken off. Do this two days before flip, less stretch, more thicker nugs. Doesn’t have time to decide who’s top cola, it’s like it’s sleeping and wakes up to a fire alarm and they’re saying where’s the fire? Everywhere. Give it time they get to have a sit down and decide
I like Big Bush and I cannot lie...some other growers can't deny... 🎶
I like to train the main stem by pulling it to the side to allow the lower branches to catch up, that way you can not top but still have an even canopy. But I also like topping while growing those same strains next to other so I can see the difference in growth. Always experimenting
I seen one grow op where they bend the main stalk to the north, which then opens the rest of the branches up to the sun, and keep it even as the sun goes more southbound towards fall.
I'm on my first grow and I topped 3 out of 3 plants. im blown away by the experience. Thanks for the knowledge. BTW Day 60 from seed
Great video. I've been a long time smoker but this year am doing my first outdoor grow. I picked up your recharge product. It's been making my plants so happy. I've been running into heat stress but am still good as of rn
Hell Yeah!
@@ScottyReal420 I've been doing this " Dutch table method " continuously for about 13 years now, growing in 5"x5"x7" pots, using expanded clay pellet mediums. I'm in my 50's and it had been a dream of mine since reading about it in High Times back in the 80's, lol.
It has it's pros and cons, but if you're a commercial grower and don't mind the amount of work involved, it's really not a bad system. The biggest struggle , imo , is that if you want to really get the most bang for your buck, as far as your investments into equipment and electricity, you have to really put a lot of effort into maximizing the use of the space you have, and in order to be putting regular crops into flower that are ideally as close to uniformity as possible ( Same height ), you have to actually grow more than what you plan to put into flowering
So for my 4'x4' flowering tables, they will fit 36 of those pots I use, but in order to get 36 plants that are uniform in height, I have to grow at least 45 plants in the veg room to be able to pick the best ones ( Some are always behind the others in growth )
You need quite a bit of space, you have to always deal with 10+ straggler plants that don't make it into that round of flowering with the rest of the crop, this means you either have to start mixing batches of plants in your veg room ( This can become a nightmare if you have a lot of strains, it can also easily spread pathogens if you are not taking the time to be clean as possible ), or you kill the plants, meaning you wasted time and money growing them out, or, you pot them up as new mothers ( the best choice )
Then, you have to consider the morphology of what you are flowering
I have some strains that branch heavily and/or have bud density perfect for trapping moisture in the air, and packing 36 into a table is asking for trouble ( Mold ), like Breeder Steve's Shishkaberry
Then I have other strains that I can easily pack 36 into my table because when they branch, they branch up instead of out, and the bud density is not conducive to trapping humid air, so mold is not a concern, like Dos Si Dos
In short, my experience, is that the " Dutch table method " has the capability to be highly productive, but it's A) Not for novices, B) Not for the lazy, C) Requires the right strains to really maximize the profits ( If profits are what you are after ), and requires you really make some effort to control the environmental conditions as tightly as possible
You try growing something that's super nice smoke, but bad yielding, and this growing method won't pay your bills, and if you grow something that yields heavily but is just so-so smoke, it works against you as an income source and also won't pay your bills
Despite the ups and downs I've had using this system over the years, it is the one that has proven to be the cheapest and easiest to maintain, as a commercial grower
I don't use PGR's, the CO2 comes from the pilot light in my hot water heater and my breath, and I run a small 10K BTU AC in my flowering room in the summer
No fancy bells and whistles, just regular 3 part AN nutes. I do not use the suggested amounts, I cut it down to 2/3 what they say to use ( Less is more ), and I flush with pure water for 3 whole weeks at the end of flower, and turn my lights down to about 30% to simulate dim fall light. This is when the buds fatten up nicely, the plant uses the stored nutrients up and sheds the leaves
I run 6 veg tables, 2'x4', with 7"x40" tables between and on the sides to catch the footprint of the fixture. Everything is lit by T5's running only 2 bulbs for the first week after cuttings get repotted, then up to 4 bulbs for the remainder of the 2 month veg period. I never even use all 8 bulbs in any of my T5 fixtures, and I use weaker / stronger light to control growth rates of my mothers so I can cycle strains into flowering when I choose ( Iow, indirect light for a plant will slow growth rate )
Flowering is in 4'x4' tables, and I run anywhere from 2 to 7 at once, depending on the season, winter being the best for me
HLG 550's and 600 watt HPS, mixed spectrum bulbs
After harvest, I dry the pots and rootballs in a closet dryer I made that runs the hot exhaust from my AC ( 140f ) through it, this does a great job at sterilizing my growing media, and also drying the roots to ready the clay pellets for sifting to remove roots. They get soaked 2x, with hydrogen peroxide, then bleach, then a fresh water soak and rinse overnight with more hydrogen peroxide, and they are ready to reuse again. I've been re-using the same clay pellets for years with no problems ( just make sure everything is tested, the runoff )
Thanks for your videos !
Erect four tall posts that are a foot or two higher than your average canopy, string two cables parallel to eachother between the posts, and then run a white tarp or meshy shade cloth on the cables through the grommets. This should help prevent the cloth from snagging buds trying to drape it by hand every few days.
On hotter cloudless days you can easily deploy the shade cloth in a moment and still benefit from full sun without burning the plants, plus it will help keep the soil cool and limit evaporation.
Im thinking of doing exactly this next season, since im in the desert and at altitude and moisture leaves so rapidly simply standing by damp dirt you can feel the cooling effect of moisture evaporating (my neighbor actually soaks his whole yard every afternoon and i can feel the difference in the breeze when it blows from their yard) Another benefit on my part is rapidly deployable hail protection, we get anything from bb sized hail to softballs that shred mighty trees and i think a shade or tarp will help prevent hail damage to some extent. I just hope im home if it hits.
You got the coolest dankest voice for these video boss! My hats off to you man💪💪💪😱😱😱
This is the very subject that I happen to be pondering right now. Good one Scotty.
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I’m currently in a 3x3 running 2 plants. Topping helps fill out the 2 plants. I used to just let them grow and with topping and training I’ve doubled my harvests. And all of the tops have that bag appeal buds.
I am a noob but one alternative I learned from a reputable grower video was at about 5 nodes into veg remove all leafs covering nodes at about a 50-70% removal rate one time before a feeding(I am doing hydro). It not only gives the budding sites all the light they can get while giving you a clean workspace to seperate bud sites using a trellis but also the stress is a positive. The idea is the plant panicks and puts all its energy into the bud sites giving them a huge boost and resulting in more big nugs later on. In my space and being too scared to top yet I found this to have created a very nice canopy and the plants responded very positive to this as well.
Probably doubled the amount of protruding budding site on the plants with this vs my first grow of a single huge center with a late trellis setup and deflower before flipping to flower.
im now doing the "Remove top 2 sets of Leaves topping" and loving it. Thought it was gonna be bunk but its awesome.
Only allowed 6 flowering plants in my area, and I like to do a single top and then use bud clips to bend the main stem over so I get a fairly even canopy.
You guys are great I learn a whole bunch on this channel ps trying out recharge for the first time thanks for all the advice!
Rad videos man. I don't usually have the attention span for begging to end of grow vids but urs always interesting!!
I mix it up. If I'm doin bubble hash I let em Doo their thing for 6 weeks veg. it's a goin In the ice bag. Also let em go mad if I'm breeding.
Tbf if I top for just herb it 3 arms and 4 week veg.
Great video! Thanks for explaining a little bit about light height
Nice work Scotty
Used your PPFD range on this run, looks very nice
Thanks
I use 7 gallon fabric pots with shoestring holes around the lip of the pot that I use to low stress train the branches and I gently fold them down to around 90 degrees and all the bud site branches turn up to the light within an hr and 99% of my buds are solid usable buds very little airy buds .
@OfficiaIScotty.ReaI42O sweet does that mean I won something? Refresh my memory lol
@Official_ScottyReaI420 nice try
At my commercial grow, we started out with 1030 plants per flower room at .75sqft per plant. We have since worked our way to 300 plants or 4sqft per plant
So for my first ever grow i decided it'd be best to do no topping and very mininal pruning or shaping to get a feel for their normal growth and structure, ive literally only really yellow leafed it so far. So i could then better understand the how and why behind topping and pruning techniques while being able to compare it to an unpruned plant.
Not pruning ironically saved my ass, because if they would've been pruned even moderately the grasshoppers wouldve eaten all that remained rapidly long before flower (worst hopper season they've seen in decades out here) now that theyre established and i have the hoppers under control i need to defoliate within reason for an outdoor grow. I want to maximize light to the plant center, while not pruning so heavily that they fry in the sun until we get more consistently cool weather.
Despite the lack of pruning during their veg growth they made some mighty strong branches, the stalks are about 2in thick, and they got a nice Christmas tree shape thats about 6ft tall thats gonna make for some beautiful super fat colas. Been about three weeks since i noticed buds and they're already getting faaaaat. Could be even better once i prune.
Topped my wedding cake,once,which put it into shock for about 2 weeks.
Now it's a four foot Y..shape monster..with over 40 colars.
😄
Great show guys.
@OffcialScottyReaI42O very cool. Didn’t know I was in a giveaway at all.
@merledonoho9766 neither did I and when you tell him that he takes it away 🙄
@@GenXFarmer77 oh I see. Win some ya lose some lol
@Official_ScottyReaI420 wow thank you. I got hacked and had to get a new debit card. How do I check my account for the DGC and get it fixed? Sorry I am not good with tech stuff. Trying to change that though lol.
I don't top but train them from early age tied to the totes. It don't pay to grow stem. I try to grow them wide and bushy for a level canopy. No netting. Then put into flower at the larf light level on my lights. So not getting larf buds. And not defoliating. I try for 18" to 24" colas like a babies leg. And they are strong stems and thick. Which maybe why I need the extra CaMg and silica mixed in.
Always great conversations and thought provoking idea's Thanks Scotty and High C :-)
What about outdoor grows
Ive been searching for info on that scenario also. I grow outdoors only. I grew without topping last year and it did great.
It only takes one flower cycle to train you vegging plants . even if you take cuts the day before flip , 8-9 weeks is a long time to go from cloner to solo to finishing pot w grow dots . i leave a few nodes on my clones . it takes a few more days to root , but you have 3 grow spots to multiply and start spreading out . i like bending them down as opposed to topping but thats all strain or pheno dependent . SHAPING AND TRAINING ARE HUGE .
I grew huge trees outdoors this year from seed but only because I messed up on the indoor start and they got really leggy. I used bamboo stakes and got good buds. Now I am topping and gonna low stress on my grow tent girls
I always cut the main cola off and move the plant up closer to the light and let the other colas grow for another 2 weeks or so and they do get bigger
By shaping my plants, I’m averaging 128 grams per plant. I’m doing my first run of autos and if I can get 80 grams per plant, that’ll be a win in my book.
Been flowering my 2 ladies now since may 1st and im about a week away from harvest. They spent around 2 months in veg 😀
So LST for only indoor ?
I run a large scale
Grow. I walk through 2k plants a day. Every day. I top, level, shorten the tallest stem on every plant, everyday
It depends on the pheno if you top or single cola
Scotty recharge is kicking and keep my lady happy, man, and timing my topping with the weekly dose of recharge have this llady looking almost too damn good to smoke jk thank you for putting back into the community
Big roots!
Do not disagree with anything you said!
But plants do react differently ,from topping sometimes
Which you would not know until you did it. So experimenting is the key.
Some plants topped give nice multiple bud sites and more headspace total winner!
Maybe you have more headspace less floor space?
sometimes it grows better not topped!
If you take a plant with weaker side branching and you top you have more weak side branches that need to be keep from falling! That is why skunk was used in so many if not all crosses for the plants structure.
For its outstanding strong side branching and steady genetics
So is pure indica type plants makes for good crosses
I have a favorite I grow smaller plant tons of side branching but weak branches,
Pain in the ass! Topped makes a bigger mess! Vegged longer
Side branches become a little stronger pack on more weight!
So I have been crossing to try to make the side branches thicker
First I found the right male and female of the same family.
Look good in veg very small and compact!
It is not hard to turn into a weed nerd!
I used original blueberry to cross too a great partner for structure!
I like smaller plants that do not need to be topped
Takes some experimenting and time!
And a good set of lungs!
Good job pushing the craft of home growing, Fun thing about growing you can truly create your own high and plant structure!
It is not that difficult and you always produce bud!
I like a body blow for body pain and I like that euphoria rush!
So I fool around try to have both the structure I want and the buzz!
One of my best so far for was original grandaddy small plant crossed with original blueberry heavy Thai leaning came out really good and I am no rocket scientist!
I have 3 tents running one is for flower!
“Weed nerds” or stoner either one is ok with me!
I grow indoors and outdoors I will top inside if there a stretchy type but outside I do not top
Was taught to cut the center stem off 40 years ago. Used to grow 6 main stems, no training, just lollipopping.
Started training the plants. Still learning. So much easier now that we are "legal" where I live.
Thanks for all the great info.
I use two HID lights so I can angle them in from the sides, not just straight down from the top.
Thanks for sharing
Gonna try this, have had better results chopping stem or mainline that just topping.
@@sharpshotta Just make sure the main stem is "developed" before you cut it. Leave a little space.
Your not FIMMING.
100 watt LED I'm at 14 inches sometimes I'll have to up the light on certain strains as i get leaf burn. I can't run my lights at 100 cause of heat. Damn cheap Amazon bloomspect and a guan & hon led. Cost only line 50$for both so of course i couldn't pass em up. This was 2yrs ago
I have a question... especially for anyone who has grown Cherry Pie before...
I have a Cherry Pie that's been just chillin back behind my Melonaid zkittles for a while now. Shes in a 3 gal fabric. Her trichs all seem so uniform in a manila envelope beige, or like, light brown sugar. But no irregular ones, you know how some of the heads should have dark browns in there? I'm not seeing that, they all look very uniform. But I mean, it's GOT to be about done by NOW, surely.
In my grow journal it seems I planted her 3-18, so she's 116 days old lol. it's full spectrum lights in there. I been watching her, but i guess time just got away from me. That's roughly twice the time they say on the site where you order the seeds. Oh well, like I said, I'm a noob with cannabis. Any advice from you long time master Jedi would be appreciated.
Basically, Should I go ahead and give her the ol' George Washington, and also, would it be worth trying to clone her since she stretched? I might be better off cloning one of my Ya Hemis.
Also, anyone running vivosun Aerolight 150SE? I would love to know what power settings you are running yours at. mine seems stupid strong. Gotta have it down in the 30%'s or it starts to be too much on them. and yeah, with it all the way up in the top of a 2x4x6. They're hung about 5.5 feet up or maybe a touch more. I left a bit of room for the air this thing ejects. (It's that grow light with a built in cooling fan.)
Thanks to all of you out there, this community is the BEST PEEPS.
First time grower and I topped my 3 week plant 3 times already and she’s looking great, but did I do to much to soon?
what if u put a set of lights on the floor as well as overhead?? Is this possible
I have a good question,,,I don't know if it's been done but can you graft a cannabis plant,,take a branch off of one plant type and graft it into a branch on another type 🤔
Done right, I believe you can!
Yes you can. There is a German RUclips that put 4 different strains on one root System. Not sure if it's still alive since the last video but should be possible from what I saw. Btw the channel I mean is called Chillwelten
@@geckrem970 it's possible for sure, just got to be done right! 👍
Yes you can, it takes some experimenting a learning to do so, but it can be do.
@@ScottyReal420 I'll run some next year, and let ya know the outcome! 😉
I strive for 100% light saturation and add side lighting to ensure the entire plant is receiving the right PPFD from every angle
Good topic to discuss hollow stem there is a lot of controversy about it.
I use lights on all sides of my plants basically. Got one above. One kind of diagonally above on the back left and diagonally from the top left. And from the left side straight over. And from the bottom facing diagonally up from the back bottom.
You'd think it's overkill but most are just cheap azz grow lights. 2 are cheap 20-30 dollar square lights. One of which is pretty decent. The other 2 on sides are cheap grow bulbs in lamps. And the ine up top is an amazon mars hydro.
Cheapest I could find that looked decent was like 80-90 bucks
Definitely plan to upgrade and start making wine for CO2 distribution to the grow room..
And just to get back into making wine 🍷
What soil or media do u recommend if using recharge. Thanks and keep up the great videos
Any media besides hydro. It works in soil, coco coir, peat, etc especially if your growing organic
@dalecoughlin3402 thinking ima try it in build a soil light with a auto flower
works great in any thing from living soil to inert media like peat and coco.
yes doing many small plants lets me have a veriety being stuck with a huge plant of 1 smoke sucks big time when you can have a few strains in same space
Scotttttyyyy I always top
I could have sworn I heard you say that you leave your light in the top of the tent and control it with the adjustment dial??
Yo scotty reals what's up man cheers brother
🙌 Cheers!
Great video! Definitely agree that training and aiming to have optimal PPFD across an even foot print is the way to both awesome quality and yield.
Never heard of Real Grow Labs before this! I Just joined posted a picture of my Scrog. - Doc
Awesome, welcome to the community!
1 Central Cola but been doing the next Cola down seems to good so far but do different things to different plants seeing how they react to different methods
I am actually going through this conundrum.
With the two week veg technique, I am finding that I am growing more than I can smoke lol
What technique is that can u link me bro
@@IndoorGarden420 SOG with a 14 day veg. No topping, no training. Insane results.
@@CuzimANGRY how much plants per m²
@@viktorvaughn6595 maybe 9 With colas the size of your forearm And very dense.
„For me, it’s not about how many grams per watt you get, but how much yield per square meter per day is possible. Here’s an example: with 14 days of veg and 63 days of flowering, that’s a total of 77 days. If the yield is 650 g/m², then 650 ÷ 77 = 8.44 g/m² per day.
This is a much more meaningful metric for me to evaluate the efficiency of a strain or setup.“
It just became legal here in ohio. I moved from tents to an open room I'm running 12 plants in a 6x10 area and that's too many. I think I'm gonna do 8 plants from now on
If you are in Columbus, there is a Menards on Morse road that sells a product called Reflectix that you can put on walls, ceiling and floor to get more light on the plants. It's in the insulation section and it's highly reflective and not very expensive, 100 square feet for $46. They have reflective tape for doing the seams. It basically turns your entire grow room into a giant grow tent.
I'm moving to Ohio, asap
@actionjksn I'm in the south around hillsboro. I had a roll of that in my building and covered the walls with it. Thank for the input
Well done guys thx!
Any DGC CUP 2024 shirts in maybe large?
I will have Cat get ahold of you!
Hey Man, there is a lot of Discussion about UVA and what it does to your yield. Many say it does not much, but i have one observation: The Buds that are further away from the Light get the longer Lightwaves and are ready to harvest at the same time as the big buds up top. What is your opinion?
But ultra violet is a very short wavelength.
@@tommyheron464 You are probably right, i am by no means an expert. So do the shorter wavelengths penetrate further? Or was it just a random observation?
@Scotty Real Do you ever do any experiment grow's.. since you like to twist, snap and mangle your plants into place.. have you ever considered using water from a young green coconut as a growth hormone.. as that water also contains many different hormones, auxins etc and those others that strenghtens plant and also develope strong roots
I love experimenting, but I have not tried that one!
i use coconut water and aloe vera in my compost teas when in flower
Do you show videos of these techniquein the new app
Not currently but we will have video and courses coming soon.
I do low stress training + 1 topping and I yield double or triple than I would with single cola
Top an auto after 4 nodes?
Best I've done is make the plant grow horizontally. Everything was top buds and made so much that I quit halfway through harvest and let the freeze get the rest😂
Good ole inverse square law for energy/light distribution
Everybody loves a great big fox tail but I pinch out the tops on all of my grows now for one single reason: mould. I grow in a greenhouse so if the weather is bad towards the end of the season mould wipes out half of the big tops, the air flow is just so poor. And if you've let the main cola grow out that's like half or more of your crop gone if your plants are kept to three feet like mine, also if you put a great big top in your drying room and you haven't seen that mould patch it can do terrible harm in just a day or two.
The inverse square law only applies to radial point sources. A lens means this % light at X distance stuff is nonsense. Or just reflectors like the walls of most grow tents.
I topped 4 in a4x4 and now 2 are taking over they have gone massive soon have no space compared to the 2 others
So...I am all new to this I just started growing, I'm growing an Auto and I was wondering if I catch it in time can I top it at least once I'm not looking to do it several times but once would be nice
I don't think you're supposed to top autos. You also cannot clone auto flowers.
@@actionjksn well I know you for sure can not clone Autos but I've heard you can top them if you catch them in time but not sure that's why I am hoping to hear Scotts opinion
you will hear different things from different growers on this, but I myself am not experienced enough with autos to answer this question.
Tried both methods outdoors, topped and no topping. I really don't notice the difference in yield. 6 plants outside all over 8ft. Kolas are massive.
I chop in flower with photos just don't do a lot at once that way the recovery ain't as long also u can defoliate in flower close to flush to add some stress to force the rest of them trichomes out
Hi Scotty Real love yours and Hi-C’s content! I am a UK medicinal grower of Jamaican lettuce plants! I have only ever used the Organic method but I am really struggling with it! Would you be willing to send me a sample of your grow dots so I can try them before committing to purchasing the full size packs! Keep up with the great content 👍
They sell a small 75gram package on Amazon at a very minimal price.
We are trying to get into the EU market but unfortunately at this time we can not ship to the UK.
@@thomasjones3508 This is good to know thanks
@@ScottyReal420 That’s a shame because I reckon there is a huge market here in the UK!
@@ScottyReal420 I have just found and ordered some on Amazon looking forward to trying these will let you know how it goes! Thanks Scotty and HI-C
How do you veg early?
You mean flower early ?
Switch to 12/12
@@JaSon-wc4pn yes sorry I meant flower any possible way to do it outside though
Indoor vs outdoor... it's easier to grow wide outdoors. I have a hand full of sativas that are 3 feet wide and 16 inches tall. Lose count or bud sights. Outdoor grow after topping with full sun, the plant basically lollipops itself. Just take out the first node that never gets passed the second node and use them for clones.
Right on
Each photon doesn't lose energy with distance. photon density decreases with distance across the widening area.
Once agian. .... You can grow larger buds with less worry about molding by LOWERING THE RH AND INCREASING AIR CIRCULATION. Its real simple fix.
Yeah topping has a purpose on alot of grows. Quality over quantity. Want more yield plant, more seeds. My votes for massive main colas. 👍
I honestly believe we all are artist. We all live,learn, and perfect our craft to the point we create our own Monalisa.
Topping vs no topping ive tested and honestly yielded about the same, but your pounds are not gonna be super uniform and lowers wont color as well
Side lighting
Being born in 1970 I'm old school with certain things and new school with others. I like growing my cannabis like a 70's porn... big bush. 😂
Lions share. Roar. 🐯
Anyways I need help guy how can I train my plant if it's bout 8 or 9in tall but the nodes r rlly close 2gether?
Try topping at 3rd node!
Indoors top, outdoors let it be.
I'm here dudesistars , and I got some dam gnarly weed
Ask your breeder for info!
Stable genetic = topping, lollipopping, else almost garbage
Strain dependent as a wise man once said. My Kali Mist will be in veg for 4 month or more. No info will protect me, this thing will be seen from outter space. And most "breeder" have 0 consistency - their stable seeds are a pheno hunt. So their info is just a guess. Even worse, if they give you the info that they grew 45 mini clones in rockwool, would you adopt your style?
out doors shit ton of lsm and top said plant in my opinion .. now with indoor if your grower to make flip growth id say 10 8X8 room 8 for flowering 2 for veg 1 4x4 used for starter clones and the other plant and the the rest 3 weeks of veg there then second room with light set at set high of 3.5 ft then switch over too the 8 8x8 room plant at 8 inch pots 35 pre room is shit tons.. it figure out after the first 6 months you have 8 rooms your able too pop off every 2 weeks in this way with a stagger set up
My geloto and blue dreams about done I'm happy for my first time.
Would anything between say 2.5 amd 4 ozs per plant be good for a first time grower who did autos ?
Absolutely 💯 great start 👍 and with autos to boot 😊. Grow on !!!! 😊
@@jimmcd12345 thank u
@@87mustang87 MY PLEASURE. I LOVE TO SEE NEW GROWERS HAVE FIRST TIME SUCCESS. NOT EASY.. GOOD 👍 JOB..
I top, level, and deleaf in veg
I found if you train a plant evenly level leaving the top up higher it keeps growing. But as soon as the top is trained level with the rest of the plant. The whole plant goes upward with lots bud site all even. So far Blue Dream, Super Silver Haze, GG#4, Gelato, and Gold Leaf I have found it works well with. Makes them shorty bushy and full of buds. No topping just clones taking when lollipoping. Some strains I do prefer to top though.
Thanks for sharing!
@@ScottyReal420 no prob. It works for my grow nicely.
Don't top too early, start from the 5th finger leafs
Yeah I learned why not to top too early🤣. Only outside I'll do it now on. Inside I do the full bend over with high success rates. Minimum 11 tops with my rope at top of plant tied to the corner pole. 🫡
what negative effects did you have from topping too early?
@@thomasjones3508
Plant instability, Hermys are Theo worst out come because the plant can self produce, good genes can help ,
Though what's special about the 5th fingers is that the plant has established enough tap root ,
When you top early you cut off the tap root ,
So your second pot should at least be 1 gallon then about 1 week after transplant top them ,
Out door no need to top as the plant will bush in indica , sativa will soar
Hope this helps out , all about the tap root
My colas are as big as my thy around😂😂😂😂 the only thing you have 2 watch is bud rot because of the big cola...
Yield still matters. Quality didnt just appear. Its always been a goal. Top quality. But , umm quantity is just as important.
I dont have to choose 1 over the other. I chose both, along time ago. Nothing has changed.
Y this and ur last vids hav Ben looking choppy like the frames was lowered
Nothing on our end has changed, we are looking into this.
@Official_ScottyReaI420 at is this
I Forgot got to say hi lol man have i got some meteor nugs
✌ Hello
man you gotta get this fps stuttering figured out.
I think if I did volume grows with like 100 plants I would still top them. I just don't think it would take that long. I'm sure I could top 100 plants in a couple of hours or so, definitely way less than a day. You wouldn't need to be as meticulous about it as you are when you do just a few plants.
Did you change potato?
The frame rate is really low but maybe it's just me.
. Nothing has changed. Videos get released in both SD and HD formats.
Is in your tent 😊
🎪
Lst all the way
I still claim the only healthy Cola is Ruccola, youdig? But who would argue with the REALest of Scotties???
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It all comes down to genetics. If you are growing indoors you need to top sativas because they get too tall and they won't yield as much on the apex leader. However indicas are already kind of bushy and short as they are and you won't get high quality yields from topped indicas, just a shitload of popcorn nugs which is just a nightmare to trim.
You're right. I have a Cyborg indica plant and it looks like a huge bush and is as wide and probably a bit wider than it is tall, and I've never topped it. It looks like it's been topped like crazy but it's all natural. I would like to find a bushy sativa strain, because I prefer the high of sativa because indica puts me to sleep.
Absolutely. I've come to that same conclusion
Sooooo wrong here bro
@@IndoorGarden420 Nope. I know plenty of professional growers with decades in the game who agrees with me.
I top both. I don't know what you're talking with indica. Lollipop it. Don't let the larf form, lmao
Don’t top, pinch. That small ball in the new growth, just take that off. Less stress as less is taken off.
Do this two days before flip, less stretch, more thicker nugs. Doesn’t have time to decide who’s top cola, it’s like it’s sleeping and wakes up to a fire alarm and they’re saying where’s the fire? Everywhere. Give it time they get to have a sit down and decide
I AGREE 👍 💯. THANKS FOR THE GREAT INFORMATION. 😊 EVERYONE TRY THIS ,, IT WORKS 💪.