There was a scene that was cut where Sansa consulted with Bran and he revealed that Littlefinger was manipulating them the entire time. So this conversation was sadly not fake.
Does nobody understand they were faking this argument to trick Littlefinger? I thought it was pretty obvious Edit: quick reminder for those with short-term memory loss, Sansa was 12/13 at the beginning of the series
See the door is open behind them, and anyone could have been close to the door, maybe that's why Arya intensified her aggression towards her sister, she heard something behind her,to trick the person who is listening from just beside the door .
I like that Arya doesn't even respond with how she knows. Both of them started off as spoiled and idealistic. They both learned that their way wasn't sufficient for survival. Arya learned that Sansa's nobles really were the powerful ones, and Sansa learned that killing people was a governing technique. At the trial of Littlefinger, Arya learned that killing people legally was a thing, and Sansa realized that dead people are done causing trouble.
@@misty3195 she just human we have emotions and sometimes we let our emotions control us but she isn't a bad person. Sansa she was a horrible sister and person and she stupid and blind like picked being queen and being with that joffery guy over her sister over her family like the red flags and big no no signs right in front of her but she ignored it , didn't care for her younger sister being attacked by joffery but cared about joffery when he got bitten and yelling at her younger sister saying she is ruining everything.
Sansa: Now, I'm sure cutting off heads is very satisfying... Arya: Am I a joke to you? Love how Arya is literally the deadliest person in Winterfell, and Sansa doesn't give a shit. That's a real sibling relationship
@@pjfsr7024 they grew and stayed the same in different ways; Arya still craves physical power and adventure, Sansa still craves status. Arya had to learn to control herself, Sansa had to learn to control those around her.
@@chaobanh5003 The reason she killed the night king was because she would have been killed if she didn't. And that's why he wasn't on her list. Anybody that tried to kill her got it.
Which actually had me wondering why she didn't make that list or is it just one of the names that wasn't mentioned on that list she did get her friend killed the butcher boy and then basically betrayed her whole entire family to King Joffrey yeah Lady Sansa should have been first on that list 🤔
They were both telling the truth at that moment. But they both knew nothing was going to divide them after all the shit they’ve been through. Calling out your siblings shit was part of being family. But they grew up and know better now than to side with others.
It wasn’t exactly a ruse. They were truths spoken aloud. The only thing littlefinger didn’t count on was that Arya didn’t really care because she knew her sister’s nature. The ruse was Arya pretending to be honorable like Ned and being bothered by Sansa’s ambition.
Yeah Phantom but to Arya's point, Sansa isn't a ruler she just wants to be. If not for Arya's strength Sansa would have continued to be played by everyone!
@@Kenny-zv4pp Sansa is a ruler. She is an charge of Winterfell whilst King Jon is away. Winterfell is the Capital City of the North Kingdom. She is de facto Queen in all but name for a period of time and literally carries the Stark name. That is a ruler. If you don't like that word, then she is a Prime Minister ruling on behalf of a Constitutional Mobarch. In either case, she is a ruler. She must admimister and govern a large territory and population. Ergo, she must think like a ruler(politicaly), yet Arya makes that sound like an evil thing to do. When it's literally her job to do that.
But they ended up winning the game of thrones in the end. Simply because people underestimated them and thought they were too raggedy and weak by outward appearance. Much like you’re doing here. 😂😂😂 Bran King of the 7 Kingdoms, Sansa Queen in the North. Arya saw everyone on her list die. Caitlyn and Ned were avenged sevenfold! War vets are still warriors!
Sansa reads situations and how she can use the result for her advantage. Arya reads people that is how she uncovered Littlefinger giving enough to Sansa to expose the true face of that viper Littlefinger infront of the entire kingdom. Destroying any possibility for him to continue his long term plans. No chance of twisting to his advantage. He was convinced right up to the moment Arya cut him with his own knife. He had won again.
There are two ways to view this scene the first way is when the scene first came out and you can see it as aya being ridiculous and accusing Sansa for no reason, or you can view it from the point of view of somebody who’s in the whole show and knows how this all ends and say she was right on n the money
This was all part of the act to maneuver LittleFinger into the position of being able to be tried and executed. These girls know each other at a base level even after all of these years. There was never any danger that Arya would hurt Sansa or vice versa to anyone who paid attention to these girls & this family. Stark siblings always stand against Winter together. 'When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives.'
she should have just said "Yes, I have to step as an Option if ever Jon didnt come back"... not keep on denying and making herself the villain in here.
Arya never wanted to be a lady & Jon never wanted to be king, so there is nothing wrong with that. The implication that Sansa wasn't supporting Jon was still wrong, though. Either way, it worked as it was an act to trick Littlefinger.
She wanted to be queen, yes. But not in charge. She wanted to support her husband, have his babies. That is all. Her journey was learning what it truly meant to be subordinate to someone and to bow and live for someone else's dreams. And the cost that ment for her.
God this plot line was so dumb. They have no reason to fight like this. Sansa has no reason to listen to anything Baelish tells her, or second guess Jon. Arya has no reason to literally threaten her own sister’s life. The last two seasons turned Winterfell into little better than a catty high school drama.
@@bobbierobinson6269 “Sansa was just another Cersei at the end.” Truer words were never spoken. She even SOUNDS like Cersei, especially when she says, ‘I’m sure cutting off heads is very satisfying’….
@@mik1of3 I mean, actors take inspiration from reality. It would make sense for Sansa to emulate the most powerful woman she spent years of her life around, adopting personality traits of hers she thinks worked (discarding those that don't serve her).
Wow, can’t believe we all thought these sisters were truly enemies! And then that super cool epic twist with Littlefinger that no one saw coming. My expectations were completely subverted! I hope that they continue to throw us off the tracks by ignoring any storyline that they established since the beginning! I want more of my expectations subverted because that is what genius writing is!
By this time both of these characters were already ruined. Sansa turned into some Cersei wannabe and Arya the untrained master assassin... But we're supposed to like them because theyre Starks. Ugh.
@@everybodylieshm No shit. She learned to play the game just like every other fucking character. No one pops out of their mother being a political mastermind. She learned from the people around her as she was not with her family.... she learned from Cersei, Littlefinger, Margaery, Tyrion, and so much more, like the failures of her father. It doesn’t mean she is those people but she uses their strategies
@@cs-zr9xy Yes not telling Jon she couldve asked the vale for help was not for her own interest at all.. just like asking for the north to be indepandant and rule as queen while Jon who she knows is the rightful heir gets send to the wall was also not in just her own interest either. Sansa was and always will be a selfish cunt.
It's okay when Rob or Jon is 'king in the north' or when Dany spends 8 seasons literally murdering anyone who doesn't bend the knee to her, but the minute Sansa is like hey, I'll be queen in the north, it's like 'Omg power hungry bitch!'. Make it make sense.
@@GeorgeWashington-dg8uf yes so? She wanted the north to be independent and to rule. At least she didn’t commit genocide to do it but god yeah, she is the bitch. You just love to hate her 😂
So many say this...but when was this ever established? Wanting to marry and have children with a Prince, is just that. Sansa's head was full of the love stories she was enamored with growing up. She craved love and family. Cersei and Margaery are two examples of a Queen wanting power. In Winterfell she never overstepped her boundary, she merely offered advice. Even when Jon leaves she stuck by him. When Bran comes back she immediately tells him that Winterfell is his by right. If all Sansa wanted was power it wouldn't be hard to gain it. In season seven she's heavily favored over Jon. In season eight she desperately tries to get Jon to stay and rule Winterfell as their King. For someone power hungry she surely offers that power up at a whim.
@@BrightNeonBrilliancy I'm not calling sansa powerhungry but I'm just saying neither jon nor robb wanted power. jon was selected by the people as Lord commander and the king robb simply has no choice because he's the oldest son of ned. so he obviously had to step up only dany is the one who is powerhungry
@@taramckenzie7391 She had a really compelling arc up until she becomes an Uber assassin that is basically unkillable. That and the whole being arrogant & for some reason being the one to kill the Night King. They dropped the ball with her :(
You really didn't understand what was happening here at all did you?..... Arya saw that Sansa could be swayed..... she was under the influence of Littlefinger and Arya knew that only way to change this was for her to bring Sansa to her senses by pointing out that she needed to remain loyal to the Stark family.... Sansa finally got the message. You obviously didn't.
@@ronanwalsh7024 actually yes I do understand the character, and that fact it was all just a scheme to set up little finger. My complaint is how the show butchered her overall character, they made her far more arrogant than necessary and I don't just mean this specific scene. Her character development in that last season was just a mess. That was my point.
People forget Arya was trained to lie and tell when someone’s lying by the faceless gods. While Sansa mastered lying and manipulation to survive. In a way, they can’t use those skills against one another easily since both can tell the other is lying. So Littlefinger never understood this uno reverse of lying was even possible.
I have a hard time believing Sansa would ever say this line or phrase it like this considering her time in Kings Landing and that the civil unrest and division was started by the chopped head of a Stark. Man Littlefinger got stupid.
The sansa fans still in denied and think she was manipulating Littlefinger all along 😂 guys they [writers] explained that it was all real (at least that argument was). Arya trainings to detect lies show her that sansa wanted jon's power/place/title. Not because she hated him but because she probably felt like she could make a better job. And Littlefinger was constantly reminding her that it was her birthright and stuff... So yeah that whole drama between Arya and sansa was real and sansa was planning to have Arya kill [according to the writers] and was just stopped because Bran told her that Littlefinger was manipulating them. To sum it up, Arya was right when she said that sansa liked when the lords of the north and the Vale went to her for directions. That she let them disrespect Jon because deep down a part of her wanted to be at his place [ruler of the North]. And sansa was [and that's totally normal] scared and threatened by Arya. She saw her skills, the faces she own, was confronted by Arya who pretty much threatened to hurt her at some point.
Maisie was an incredible actress as a child, in the later seasons she didn't have good lines, and her character was supposed to have undergone a major personality change after becoming no one.
One of my favorite actresses in the whole world I just feel so bad when she went through with this, she said it kind of deformed her body, because she had to bind her breast most of the season after she started puberty
This might have been a ruse, but they both ended up bleeding some of their inner emotions in there: Sansa still sees Arya as a selfish child, and Arya hasn't forgiven or forgotten how she chose potential power over her family. The ugliness they showed each other here, even for the sake of catching Baelish, was still somewhat honest. Arya loves her sister because she loves her family, but she knew she could never kneel to Sansa. And with Jon in exile and Bran more or less a puppet king, she chose to see the world, write her own story, and leave her mark as the last Shewolf of the Starks.
I still think it was Arya, when he was telling Sansa that her sister wanted to be The Lady of the Manor. Then he positioned the wolf on the fireplace. He was so stupid.
I honestly hate how cold Sansa and Arya have grown. Its not that they were besties before but their suffering should have changed their perspetive. These last seasons are a joke.
@@fantasyland3646 Old enough to know the intricacies and political deceit of Kings Landing? Or that her Prince Charming was a monster?(which went against everything she believed at that point?) Its not exactly Sansa's fault that her parents didn't prepare her for the cruelties of the real world
Yeah but she has been through so much bullshit to get to where she is at this point of the show, and plus it IS still her little sister. They still look at each other the same as they did before they were separated to an extent. Sansa views Arya as a little obnoxious brat, and Arya views Sansa as stuck up, high and mighty. They're different people.
Honestly for me it was Arya and Sansa they were both just so stupid and the fact that Arya became an assassin and killed the night king is probably one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life basically still a child killing the night king 🤣
Yes, so Sansa is so stupid for denying the lord's suggestion that she should be queen, and reiterating the Jon is king, but still saying that killing off people isnt the answer?? Did you even watch the scenes lol
arya ran to bran to confirm about sansa. 'Cause, Sansa was clean from treason. Only then, could bran explain to arya about littlefinger and about the dagger given to assassinate bran; and their aunt versus their mom rivalries; only bran could've seen the real past done by littlefinger. 'Cause, littlefinger liked playing a little game; imagining the worst.
I mean honestly this tricking little finger storyline was just random. They finally got the Starks back together just to fight with each other? It didn’t make sense and I knew Little a finger was gonna get it was no shock factor. I did love them working together to kill LittleFinger tho.
@@GaneshPatil-ip4kl He is? Do you have knowledge of what makes a Stark a Stark? In season eight Sansa not bending to Daenerys made her more of a Stark than Jon. She flat out said no. If Daenerys threatened her wouldn't change her stance. The North is resilient and their loyalty is nothing to scoff at. When Sansa learned why some houses didn't fight with Jon during the battle of the bastards she took that to heart and though she stuck by Jon being King in the North, she still looked after their people and tried to maintain peace between all involved. Jon lost that right when he gave them up without even bothering to let them know. Even Robb's indiscretion didn't include signing the North over to someone je didn't know. At times it's obvious there is a bias against Sansa because saying she's not a Stark despite evidence to the contrary makes no sense.
@@janellejulianajoy also people forget that Sansa spent a considerable amount of time with the free folk as well. Just like they did on Jon, they rubbed off on Sansa too. Like them she wasn’t kneeling to anyone.
Arya is the only one that loved Jon when they were children and Jon to her. All the stark children saw Jon as a bastard half brother who can’t inherit anything. Arya is the only one that will always love Jon no matter what. She even considered him as a bastard because she also have a black hair unlike other stark children who has red hairs.
Arya saw right through her. Sansa thought she was owed a crown because of what she went through, everyone has their own shyt story not everyone deserves a crown for suffering. She got what she wanted though. Or at least part of it
What things? She didn’t defend EITHER of them. She tried not to get anyone in trouble. You forget he was her fiancé at this point and she didn’t want him to be mad at her. Buy OBVIOUSLY she didn’t want to lie and sell her sister, so she did neither. I know you must be perfect but you know. Those kinds of things happen with human beings, they tend to make good and bad choices.
Wait, what was Petrie from the land before times plan again? He was trying to convince Santa that Arya didn't deserve a Christmas present so he could... Profit!!!! Its been a while but I can't help thinking his plan would have been a lot easier proving that Arya killed Sansa coz she was a assassin, rather than adding useless additional steps. Step 1) kill Sansa Step 2) Blame Arya Step 3) let everyone seen Arya's skill and kill her trying to escape Step 4) control all of the Vale and the north, and pick up what's left after Cersi and Daenarys finished fighting. Step 5) have a pint
If you think about, i am pretty sure that Sansa was planning to be become the ruler of the North. She wanted Jon out of the way, so she deliberately held back the news of vale reinforcements coming. All so that Jon could perish in the battle. So many lives lost because of her greed for power. The whole battle strategy could have been realigned if they knew they had the support of the vale. The only solace is that Arya sees right through her deception, i am pretty sure she'll kill Sansa if her plans ever came to fruition.
Sansa never wanted him to go south. I think they were both speaking from their hearts but more like feeling each other out. They would never kill each other or plot against the other. Sansa was upset when he gave up the North. When Jon went south again she told Tyrion that the men in her family didn’t fair well leaving. When Greyworm wanted to kill Jon she brought the North, the Riverlands and the Knights of the Vale to rescue him. I think she became Queen because the rest of her family were being stupid.
Sansa supported Jon. She didn't even want him to go south. She advised him to send an emissary in his stead. She gave him counsel and brought in allies for them. She tried to give power to Bran when he returned, but he declined. She wanted to have her family as well as a safe and independent North. Jon said he didn't truly want to rule, Bran didn't either (until they screwed that up in King's Landing), neither did Arya. Sansa may have wanted it & there is nothing wrong with that. The difference is Sansa was well versed in the politics necessary & spotting BS by that point. Jon had a military mind, but lacked political skills. Arya would make a good knight possibly or executioner maybe. She never wanted to run a home. Bran would make a good counsel member. Sansa was the only Stark left qualified to truly rule a kingdom well & the only one who wanted it. None of that is a bad thing they would all make a formidable ruling family for the North. Their skills all help to support each other if they work together.
So who else was gonna unite the north if Jon doesn't return? It's only realistic to expect Sansa is going to be the Stark figurehead in that case. Arya is not a naive kid anymore, she will not chastise her sister simply for wanting power. This scene is stupid.
I would've preferred Sansa and Arya's roles reversed at the end. Sansa learns to fight from Brienne after her trauma by Ramsay Bolton and decides to go against her dream of power. She chooses a life of freedom while Arya's path of freedom and battle grooms her for leadership. And instead of a one night stand she becomes a queen after marrying Gendry. Sansa began the show as a spoiled entitled brat and ended up pretty much the same character.
I disagree about that last bit. Sansa became strategic, reasonable and driven by her love of the north not just power like Cersei or Dany. Arya honestly stays more the same than Sansa. She started out as a tomboy that doesn't want to be a lady, and she ends that way. I do wish we could have seen Sansa trained by Brianne or even Arya herself, and see Arya show some political savvy, but there just wasn't enough time in the end.
i could never stomach Sansa's character, but the truth is that the actress ;Sophie Turner; is so unbelievably gorgeous that i would watch Sansa's scenes only to look at her beautiful face :333333
@@Crescentknight8189 What future actions?! And, sorry, you're delusional as hell. We had a whole season after this and Arya sides with Sansa. Why would she go after her? Jon lied and that's not Sansa's problem. You all act like a stranger walking into your home and running it would be something you'd accept.
Bad writing, there is no indication Littlefinger is anywhere near this convo. It was to trick the viewers, which makes no sense unless everyone in the game of thrones is aware they are being filmed
I felt like Sansa oppose her siblings in front of others so Littlefinger will think she was manipulated by him.
There was a scene that was cut where Sansa consulted with Bran and he revealed that Littlefinger was manipulating them the entire time. So this conversation was sadly not fake.
@@wjzav1971oooooh. I'd LOVE to see that. What should I search?
Duh
No, Sansa was putting her siblings from the get go. All Sansa ever wanted was to be a queen she told her mother & her father in season one.
Sansa is playing 3D chess.
I love it when Arya was scaring the bejesus out of Sansa. 😱
Does nobody understand they were faking this argument to trick Littlefinger? I thought it was pretty obvious
Edit: quick reminder for those with short-term memory loss, Sansa was 12/13 at the beginning of the series
Littlefinger wasnt even there lol
I thought the same until I saw the finale.. Sansa made Jon removed from the picture so she could be the queen
They showed us half conversation to confuse us
See the door is open behind them, and anyone could have been close to the door, maybe that's why Arya intensified her aggression towards her sister, she heard something behind her,to trick the person who is listening from just beside the door .
And yet they never hinted at it at all
I like that Arya doesn't even respond with how she knows.
Both of them started off as spoiled and idealistic. They both learned that their way wasn't sufficient for survival. Arya learned that Sansa's nobles really were the powerful ones, and Sansa learned that killing people was a governing technique. At the trial of Littlefinger, Arya learned that killing people legally was a thing, and Sansa realized that dead people are done causing trouble.
Arya wasn't spoiled like she had a lot but she was smart she was a good person unlike her sister
Dead doesn't necessarily mean done causing trouble. Plenty of assholes have tried burning the world down from beyond the grave
@@fantasyland3646arya was just as spoiled as Sansa. Plus she was tow wild and let her emotions lead her to make mistakes
@@misty3195 she just human we have emotions and sometimes we let our emotions control us but she isn't a bad person.
Sansa she was a horrible sister and person and she stupid and blind like picked being queen and being with that joffery guy over her sister over her family like the red flags and big no no signs right in front of her but she ignored it , didn't care for her younger sister being attacked by joffery but cared about joffery when he got bitten and yelling at her younger sister saying she is ruining everything.
@@fantasyland3646 read the book. Sansa was more head in the clouds than spoiled and wanted to be a good daughter.
Do people forget what happened to Robb after he beheaded Lord Karstark? That is exactly what Sansa is talking about here.
Sansa: Now, I'm sure cutting off heads is very satisfying...
Arya: Am I a joke to you?
Love how Arya is literally the deadliest person in Winterfell, and Sansa doesn't give a shit. That's a real sibling relationship
LOL Arya was being played.
by littlefinger, and she's still stuck in season 1, Sansa grew and learned, Arya not so much.
@@pjfsr7024 they grew and stayed the same in different ways; Arya still craves physical power and adventure, Sansa still craves status. Arya had to learn to control herself, Sansa had to learn to control those around her.
@@pjfsr7024show Arya would probably be in book Arya's list of names for being so annoying
Sansa never made Arya's list. So she was always safe.
Good point.
Actually I know through sources she used an eraser and removed her name😅😂
But Night king was never in her list too and she killed him anyway sadly
@@chaobanh5003 The reason she killed the night king was because she would have been killed if she didn't. And that's why he wasn't on her list. Anybody that tried to kill her got it.
Which actually had me wondering why she didn't make that list or is it just one of the names that wasn't mentioned on that list she did get her friend killed the butcher boy and then basically betrayed her whole entire family to King Joffrey yeah Lady Sansa should have been first on that list 🤔
They were both telling the truth at that moment. But they both knew nothing was going to divide them after all the shit they’ve been through. Calling out your siblings shit was part of being family. But they grew up and know better now than to side with others.
It wasn’t exactly a ruse. They were truths spoken aloud. The only thing littlefinger didn’t count on was that Arya didn’t really care because she knew her sister’s nature. The ruse was Arya pretending to be honorable like Ned and being bothered by Sansa’s ambition.
Ahh yes…the “it suits you…Lady Stark” line
At that moment, Sansa was thinking about what the Hound said about killers.
It's a rulers responsibility to think such thoughts. Arya makes it sound like a bad thing lol
Yeah Phantom but to Arya's point, Sansa isn't a ruler she just wants to be. If not for Arya's strength Sansa would have continued to be played by everyone!
without dragons no one will care about Targeryans
@@Kenny-zv4pp Sansa is a ruler. She is an charge of Winterfell whilst King Jon is away. Winterfell is the Capital City of the North Kingdom. She is de facto Queen in all but name for a period of time and literally carries the Stark name.
That is a ruler. If you don't like that word, then she is a Prime Minister ruling on behalf of a Constitutional Mobarch. In either case, she is a ruler. She must admimister and govern a large territory and population. Ergo, she must think like a ruler(politicaly), yet Arya makes that sound like an evil thing to do. When it's literally her job to do that.
Because Arya was an idiot. She’s one of my favourite characters, but she was dumb as fuck in so many ways.
@Phantom the stand in isn't the ruler until they are no longer the stand in.
This part is the game.
The whole stark family look like raggedy war vets by this point.
Well, they had been in a war fighting or in captivity for nearly a decade by this point.
But they ended up winning the game of thrones in the end. Simply because people underestimated them and thought they were too raggedy and weak by outward appearance. Much like you’re doing here. 😂😂😂 Bran King of the 7 Kingdoms, Sansa Queen in the North. Arya saw everyone on her list die. Caitlyn and Ned were avenged sevenfold! War vets are still warriors!
If Arya had set out to cut off the heads of anyone who disrespected Jon, she would have ended up like Robb.
No, she would've switched faces between killings
@@davidmauriciogutierrezespi5244 Then I think in that case someone would have paid for her. Maybe her sister or Jon.
@@erys8957 or Bran
Hahah the one and ONLY time the hornwoods ever get mentioned
And then Bran rolls in, "it's Littlefinger", and rolls out
Sansa reads situations and how she can use the result for her advantage. Arya reads people that is how she uncovered Littlefinger giving enough to Sansa to expose the true face of that viper Littlefinger infront of the entire kingdom. Destroying any possibility for him to continue his long term plans. No chance of twisting to his advantage. He was convinced right up to the moment Arya cut him with his own knife. He had won again.
There are two ways to view this scene the first way is when the scene first came out and you can see it as aya being ridiculous and accusing Sansa for no reason, or you can view it from the point of view of somebody who’s in the whole show and knows how this all ends and say she was right on n the money
And the way to know they faked this fight to kill little finger
And the thrid way knowing its two sisters making a plan at fooling and killing someone by putting this show up
Well one is the natural logical way, and the other is the contrived plot driven way.
FACTS ARYA STARK WAS BADASS FROM DA BEGINNING
Arya was right Sansa can't be trusted
This was all part of the act to maneuver LittleFinger into the position of being able to be tried and executed. These girls know each other at a base level even after all of these years. There was never any danger that Arya would hurt Sansa or vice versa to anyone who paid attention to these girls & this family. Stark siblings always stand against Winter together.
'When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives.'
Arya really know Sansa.
ARYA STARK WAS BADASS FROM DA BEGINNING
she should have just said "Yes, I have to step as an Option if ever Jon didnt come back"... not keep on denying and making herself the villain in here.
They had to trick Littlefinger
You're uh....you're missing the point of this part in the episode.
This is an unspoken, but very obvious, truth. Sansa shouldn't have to explain her stance to anyone because despite it all she stuck by Jon.
At this point, the Starks didn't even want to think about losing any more family members.
for all the people saying it’s an act, there’s some truth to it, sansa always wanted to be queen
Arya never wanted to be a lady & Jon never wanted to be king, so there is nothing wrong with that. The implication that Sansa wasn't supporting Jon was still wrong, though. Either way, it worked as it was an act to trick Littlefinger.
She wanted to be queen, yes. But not in charge. She wanted to support her husband, have his babies. That is all. Her journey was learning what it truly meant to be subordinate to someone and to bow and live for someone else's dreams. And the cost that ment for her.
Never try to turn sisters against each other......it never turns out well. I've taught my daughters to always have each other's back!!!
Ok boomer
@@lord_skavenger L
My boyfriend does 😂 to me, but I’m a millennial anyway
Ned didn’t do that. In fact, his consistent favouritism of Arya contributed to her and Sansa’s crappy relationship
Trying to turn siblings against each other is inviting all kinds of bad thing on yourself.
One of the moments where i felt Writing & the plot should have been better
Starks and tyrells actually had love for their families
God this plot line was so dumb.
They have no reason to fight like this.
Sansa has no reason to listen to anything Baelish tells her, or second guess Jon.
Arya has no reason to literally threaten her own sister’s life.
The last two seasons turned Winterfell into little better than a catty high school drama.
I was pretty sure they are doing this to trick baelish ..they know he is listening that's why
💯💯
They did this so Littlefinger would hear. It made him complacent and got him killed.
Oh...and it's also true. Sansa was just another Cersi by the end.
@@bobbierobinson6269 “Sansa was just another Cersei at the end.” Truer words were never spoken. She even SOUNDS like Cersei, especially when she says, ‘I’m sure cutting off heads is very satisfying’….
@@mik1of3 I mean, actors take inspiration from reality. It would make sense for Sansa to emulate the most powerful woman she spent years of her life around, adopting personality traits of hers she thinks worked (discarding those that don't serve her).
Arya knew her so good...
A girl has learned politics as well as the ways, minds and hearts of nobles.
Wow, can’t believe we all thought these sisters were truly enemies! And then that super cool epic twist with Littlefinger that no one saw coming.
My expectations were completely subverted!
I hope that they continue to throw us off the tracks by ignoring any storyline that they established since the beginning! I want more of my expectations subverted because that is what genius writing is!
Loved all the Starks except for Sansa
Same
Must suck to have bad taste
She's not shakeable, she don't change. She will finish it. Be assured. She won't stop. Arya Stark
By this time both of these characters were already ruined. Sansa turned into some Cersei wannabe and Arya the untrained master assassin... But we're supposed to like them because theyre Starks. Ugh.
Lol sansa is not a cersei wannabe , after all she has endured, its pretty normal he is that way
@@maurice-ednt1215 And yet she acted much like Cersei did. Making an enemy of Daenerys was just fucking idiocy only Cersei would've done the same.
@@everybodylieshm well its impossible to trust someone on the first meeting, knowing that her father burned her uncle and ger grandfather
@@everybodylieshm No shit. She learned to play the game just like every other fucking character. No one pops out of their mother being a political mastermind. She learned from the people around her as she was not with her family.... she learned from Cersei, Littlefinger, Margaery, Tyrion, and so much more, like the failures of her father. It doesn’t mean she is those people but she uses their strategies
@@cs-zr9xy Yes not telling Jon she couldve asked the vale for help was not for her own interest at all.. just like asking for the north to be indepandant and rule as queen while Jon who she knows is the rightful heir gets send to the wall was also not in just her own interest either. Sansa was and always will be a selfish cunt.
Sansa and arya were typical sisters, will fight each other or maybe hate sometimes, but will never leave each other lonely when in problem
Sansa always wanted power even when her brother became high king she like nope ill control the north because reasons
It's okay when Rob or Jon is 'king in the north' or when Dany spends 8 seasons literally murdering anyone who doesn't bend the knee to her, but the minute Sansa is like hey, I'll be queen in the north, it's like 'Omg power hungry bitch!'. Make it make sense.
@@GeorgeWashington-dg8uf yes so? She wanted the north to be independent and to rule. At least she didn’t commit genocide to do it but god yeah, she is the bitch. You just love to hate her 😂
Sansa is probably the best option.
So many say this...but when was this ever established? Wanting to marry and have children with a Prince, is just that. Sansa's head was full of the love stories she was enamored with growing up. She craved love and family. Cersei and Margaery are two examples of a Queen wanting power.
In Winterfell she never overstepped her boundary, she merely offered advice. Even when Jon leaves she stuck by him. When Bran comes back she immediately tells him that Winterfell is his by right.
If all Sansa wanted was power it wouldn't be hard to gain it. In season seven she's heavily favored over Jon. In season eight she desperately tries to get Jon to stay and rule Winterfell as their King.
For someone power hungry she surely offers that power up at a whim.
@@BrightNeonBrilliancy I'm not calling sansa powerhungry but I'm just saying neither jon nor robb wanted power.
jon was selected by the people as Lord commander and the king
robb simply has no choice because he's the oldest son of ned. so he obviously had to step up
only dany is the one who is powerhungry
RUN B RUN!! THAT B IS CRAZAY!!! SHE ABOUT THAT LIFE!! OR DEATH...
The Starks wanted power. Especially Bran with his three eyed raven bullshit.
Really hated ayra in this scene, she's always trying to be the smartest person in the room when she's really not lol
Her character arc is ridiculous. I hate what they did with her.
@@MrJayson204 I agree with you, they really butchered her character at the end
@@taramckenzie7391 She had a really compelling arc up until she becomes an Uber assassin that is basically unkillable. That and the whole being arrogant & for some reason being the one to kill the Night King.
They dropped the ball with her :(
You really didn't understand what was happening here at all did you?..... Arya saw that Sansa could be swayed..... she was under the influence of Littlefinger and Arya knew that only way to change this was for her to bring Sansa to her senses by pointing out that she needed to remain loyal to the Stark family.... Sansa finally got the message. You obviously didn't.
@@ronanwalsh7024 actually yes I do understand the character, and that fact it was all just a scheme to set up little finger. My complaint is how the show butchered her overall character, they made her far more arrogant than necessary and I don't just mean this specific scene. Her character development in that last season was just a mess. That was my point.
needs ending fart noise
That what it called true sister really are, she know her sister till bottom of her heart
People forget Arya was trained to lie and tell when someone’s lying by the faceless gods. While Sansa mastered lying and manipulation to survive. In a way, they can’t use those skills against one another easily since both can tell the other is lying. So Littlefinger never understood this uno reverse of lying was even possible.
Thinking it is the easy part. It’s just doing it that’s hard
DnD just decided to make Arya an anime protagonist.
Sansa fell for the ruse lock stock and barrel until Bran took her aside and explained it to her.
I have a hard time believing Sansa would ever say this line or phrase it like this considering her time in Kings Landing and that the civil unrest and division was started by the chopped head of a Stark.
Man Littlefinger got stupid.
I always thought Arya was so cringeworthy
She looks like a younger version of Clove from the hunger games
Arya was telling the truth that’s what made little finger believe it
The relationship between these sisters is on a very thin ice
That's what they wanted Littlefinger (and the audience) to think
Good stuff. 🐺💖
Man ! ! ! Just one slap
The sansa fans still in denied and think she was manipulating Littlefinger all along 😂 guys they [writers] explained that it was all real (at least that argument was).
Arya trainings to detect lies show her that sansa wanted jon's power/place/title. Not because she hated him but because she probably felt like she could make a better job. And Littlefinger was constantly reminding her that it was her birthright and stuff...
So yeah that whole drama between Arya and sansa was real and sansa was planning to have Arya kill [according to the writers] and was just stopped because Bran told her that Littlefinger was manipulating them.
To sum it up, Arya was right when she said that sansa liked when the lords of the north and the Vale went to her for directions. That she let them disrespect Jon because deep down a part of her wanted to be at his place [ruler of the North].
And sansa was [and that's totally normal] scared and threatened by Arya. She saw her skills, the faces she own, was confronted by Arya who pretty much threatened to hurt her at some point.
This really do be a bruh moment
Your spelling is a bruh moment.
@@alexgarcia3610 everything is spelled right you must mean their use of AAVE. Ironic you’re wrong while trying to correct someone.
@@neville2308 this is why society is collapsing
Arya won’t let it happen
Imagine all for Bran the Broken
Did massie Williams watch silence of the lambs before acting here? She in season 7 gives off real Hanibal vibes
Arya became the most unlikeable Mary sue character. The way Maisie Williams is playing her here and the entire season 7 and 8 was cringeworthy.
Maisie was an incredible actress as a child, in the later seasons she didn't have good lines, and her character was supposed to have undergone a major personality change after becoming no one.
One of my favorite actresses in the whole world I just feel so bad when she went through with this, she said it kind of deformed her body, because she had to bind her breast most of the season after she started puberty
This might have been a ruse, but they both ended up bleeding some of their inner emotions in there: Sansa still sees Arya as a selfish child, and Arya hasn't forgiven or forgotten how she chose potential power over her family. The ugliness they showed each other here, even for the sake of catching Baelish, was still somewhat honest.
Arya loves her sister because she loves her family, but she knew she could never kneel to Sansa. And with Jon in exile and Bran more or less a puppet king, she chose to see the world, write her own story, and leave her mark as the last Shewolf of the Starks.
Arya was right... sansa only thought about ever being queen
I still think it was Arya, when he was telling Sansa that her sister wanted to be The Lady of the Manor. Then he positioned the wolf on the fireplace. He was so stupid.
And that's what happened at the end
Jon was sent beyond the wall and Sansa became Queen and did work together with other lords 😂
Sansa Tully, everybody
I honestly hate how cold Sansa and Arya have grown. Its not that they were besties before but their suffering should have changed their perspetive. These last seasons are a joke.
Well sansa was the cause of a lot of horrible things that happened and if I were Arya I would despise her,sansa wasn't so young she was older enough.
@@fantasyland3646 Old enough to know the intricacies and political deceit of Kings Landing? Or that her Prince Charming was a monster?(which went against everything she believed at that point?) Its not exactly Sansa's fault that her parents didn't prepare her for the cruelties of the real world
Arya thought she was so dam smart. She was dumb though. She was very selfish and never would have survived what Sansa survived.
Arya literally got stabbed by a much better fighter than her and yet she survived. What are you even talking about?
@@pratham5719 She would not have survived Sansa's journey because she doesn't have restraint just as Sansa wouldn't have survived Arya's journey.
@@janellejulianajoy yeah that's quite a sensible statement. The journeys of both were kind of different. Both traumatic but in different ways.
@@janellejulianajoy and btw if Arya was at Sansa's place her journey would never have been like Sansa as she is not Sansa.
Yeah she's lying .. she's just gonna bath fully clothed.
Sansa is cersie with a conscience. Smart, understand strategy, even though cersei lost a **head** at *tactics*...
For me Sansa was a prick 🤣
When was she not?
@@BlackDiamond2718 some says she got nice boobs, so she is good 🤣
Yeah but she has been through so much bullshit to get to where she is at this point of the show, and plus it IS still her little sister. They still look at each other the same as they did before they were separated to an extent. Sansa views Arya as a little obnoxious brat, and Arya views Sansa as stuck up, high and mighty. They're different people.
No she wasn’t
@@GeorgeWashington-dg8uf love to hate her I said 😂
THATS SANSA . CANT STAND HER.
She’s great this is all a fake fight to kill little finger
Honestly for me it was Arya and Sansa they were both just so stupid and the fact that Arya became an assassin and killed the night king is probably one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life basically still a child killing the night king 🤣
@@SidmanJam fair enough
Yes, so Sansa is so stupid for denying the lord's suggestion that she should be queen, and reiterating the Jon is king, but still saying that killing off people isnt the answer?? Did you even watch the scenes lol
@@nomnom137 who are you even talking to? Are you talking to me? You didn't tag anyone ya raj
See sansa through her sisters eyes and she is not a nice person.
This whole manufactured rivalry was stupid beyond belief.
Cut cut cut
Sansa is a mini cersi
arya ran to bran to confirm about sansa. 'Cause, Sansa was clean from treason. Only then, could bran explain to arya about littlefinger and about the dagger given to assassinate bran; and their aunt versus their mom rivalries; only bran could've seen the real past done by littlefinger. 'Cause, littlefinger liked playing a little game; imagining the worst.
I mean honestly this tricking little finger storyline was just random. They finally got the Starks back together just to fight with each other? It didn’t make sense and I knew Little a finger was gonna get it was no shock factor. I did love them working together to kill LittleFinger tho.
So, at the end of the series, a Tully runs Winterfell.
@@alejandromangieri1495 she's more tully than hostor, edmure ,cat nd lysa combined .
John snow's gohst is more stark than she ever could be
@@GaneshPatil-ip4kl He is? Do you have knowledge of what makes a Stark a Stark?
In season eight Sansa not bending to Daenerys made her more of a Stark than Jon. She flat out said no. If Daenerys threatened her wouldn't change her stance.
The North is resilient and their loyalty is nothing to scoff at. When Sansa learned why some houses didn't fight with Jon during the battle of the bastards she took that to heart and though she stuck by Jon being King in the North, she still looked after their people and tried to maintain peace between all involved.
Jon lost that right when he gave them up without even bothering to let them know. Even Robb's indiscretion didn't include signing the North over to someone je didn't know.
At times it's obvious there is a bias against Sansa because saying she's not a Stark despite evidence to the contrary makes no sense.
@@janellejulianajoy also people forget that Sansa spent a considerable amount of time with the free folk as well. Just like they did on Jon, they rubbed off on Sansa too. Like them she wasn’t kneeling to anyone.
Cruddy manufactured conflict for the sake of giving them something to do till relevant to Jon's plot.
Arya is the only one that loved Jon when they were children and Jon to her. All the stark children saw Jon as a bastard half brother who can’t inherit anything. Arya is the only one that will always love Jon no matter what. She even considered him as a bastard because she also have a black hair unlike other stark children who has red hairs.
Arya saw right through her. Sansa thought she was owed a crown because of what she went through, everyone has their own shyt story not everyone deserves a crown for suffering. She got what she wanted though. Or at least part of it
Yep Arya was so right….
God the last few seasons after they ran out of book material is utter dogshit
Everything is her fault anyways if she didn’t defend Joffrey over her sister a lot of things could of been prevented, wish Ramsey kept her
What things? She didn’t defend EITHER of them. She tried not to get anyone in trouble. You forget he was her fiancé at this point and she didn’t want him to be mad at her. Buy OBVIOUSLY she didn’t want to lie and sell her sister, so she did neither. I know you must be perfect but you know. Those kinds of things happen with human beings, they tend to make good and bad choices.
Wait, what was Petrie from the land before times plan again?
He was trying to convince Santa that Arya didn't deserve a Christmas present so he could... Profit!!!!
Its been a while but I can't help thinking his plan would have been a lot easier proving that Arya killed Sansa coz she was a assassin, rather than adding useless additional steps.
Step 1) kill Sansa
Step 2) Blame Arya
Step 3) let everyone seen Arya's skill and kill her trying to escape
Step 4) control all of the Vale and the north, and pick up what's left after Cersi and Daenarys finished fighting.
Step 5) have a pint
Sansa is just as desperate as cercie .
Duas inglesas com sotaque caregadíssimo!
Thinking about something is different than acting on the through
I dunt wount et!
That cliche comment is worse than the writing in season seven. Come up with something original.
Sansa it’s ok. Jon will either say “I don wunnit” or “You’re mah queen”. It’s a win win situation for you
If you think about, i am pretty sure that Sansa was planning to be become the ruler of the North. She wanted Jon out of the way, so she deliberately held back the news of vale reinforcements coming. All so that Jon could perish in the battle. So many lives lost because of her greed for power.
The whole battle strategy could have been realigned if they knew they had the support of the vale. The only solace is that Arya sees right through her deception, i am pretty sure she'll kill Sansa if her plans ever came to fruition.
Sansa never wanted him to go south. I think they were both speaking from their hearts but more like feeling each other out. They would never kill each other or plot against the other. Sansa was upset when he gave up the North. When Jon went south again she told Tyrion that the men in her family didn’t fair well leaving. When Greyworm wanted to kill Jon she brought the North, the Riverlands and the Knights of the Vale to rescue him. I think she became Queen because the rest of her family were being stupid.
Sansa supported Jon. She didn't even want him to go south. She advised him to send an emissary in his stead. She gave him counsel and brought in allies for them. She tried to give power to Bran when he returned, but he declined. She wanted to have her family as well as a safe and independent North. Jon said he didn't truly want to rule, Bran didn't either (until they screwed that up in King's Landing), neither did Arya. Sansa may have wanted it & there is nothing wrong with that. The difference is Sansa was well versed in the politics necessary & spotting BS by that point. Jon had a military mind, but lacked political skills. Arya would make a good knight possibly or executioner maybe. She never wanted to run a home. Bran would make a good counsel member. Sansa was the only Stark left qualified to truly rule a kingdom well & the only one who wanted it. None of that is a bad thing they would all make a formidable ruling family for the North. Their skills all help to support each other if they work together.
This has to be the dumbest plot of the entire show.
The Sansa/Arya confrontation was the second worst thing after “why do you think I came all this way?” 🥴
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So how do we write this scene?
Dumb&Dumber: just make arya sound creepy
So who else was gonna unite the north if Jon doesn't return? It's only realistic to expect Sansa is going to be the Stark figurehead in that case. Arya is not a naive kid anymore, she will not chastise her sister simply for wanting power. This scene is stupid.
I would've preferred Sansa and Arya's roles reversed at the end. Sansa learns to fight from Brienne after her trauma by Ramsay Bolton and decides to go against her dream of power. She chooses a life of freedom while Arya's path of freedom and battle grooms her for leadership. And instead of a one night stand she becomes a queen after marrying Gendry. Sansa began the show as a spoiled entitled brat and ended up pretty much the same character.
I disagree about that last bit. Sansa became strategic, reasonable and driven by her love of the north not just power like Cersei or Dany. Arya honestly stays more the same than Sansa. She started out as a tomboy that doesn't want to be a lady, and she ends that way. I do wish we could have seen Sansa trained by Brianne or even Arya herself, and see Arya show some political savvy, but there just wasn't enough time in the end.
@@BrightNeonBrilliancy lol. We better not get started on how much time they had. As a fan group it's still hurts.
i could never stomach Sansa's character, but the truth is that the actress ;Sophie Turner; is so unbelievably gorgeous that i would watch Sansa's scenes only to look at her beautiful face :333333
married twice?, No one and Snow...where is stark
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This is why Arya left. Eventually Sansa will become someone she will have to take down and she didn’t want that responsibility
Wtf 😂 they are faking it to trick Littlefinger
@@juliacastro817 was she faking her future actions against Jon?
@@Crescentknight8189 What future actions?! And, sorry, you're delusional as hell. We had a whole season after this and Arya sides with Sansa. Why would she go after her?
Jon lied and that's not Sansa's problem. You all act like a stranger walking into your home and running it would be something you'd accept.
Bad writing, there is no indication Littlefinger is anywhere near this convo. It was to trick the viewers, which makes no sense unless everyone in the game of thrones is aware they are being filmed