Rivals - Ford Fiesta ST Vs Mini Cooper S | WATCH BEFORE BUYING PT1
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- You can find part 2 here: • Rivals - Ford Fiesta S...
Christian & Tim drive the latest Ford Fiesta ST and Mini Cooper S back to back in a series of tests to find out which one’s best. Part two coming next Sunday!
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I just bought an R56 Cooper S as a cheap runabout. Didn't realize how awesome it was going to be. Puts a huge grin on my face, now the Porsche sits idle watching the Mini leave everyday..
Update: Just sold my Porsche and sending the Mini in for tuning :)
Bruh I'm in a similar boat, I own a 400hp 1jz soarer, we bought a Cooper S for the missus to daily and Its a little weapon. Cornering is absolute BLISS! Only thing is I wish it came with an LSD
Guys, the base of the mini hatch lifts to increase boot space, maybe on capacity it comes in 2nd but you should have shown the lifting floor, it makes a big difference
Both great cars I had this dilemma myself recently but opted for the Cooper S.
How you finding it Scott? Did you opt for the mini driving modes on yours?
Good call
Minis are awesome! Good choice!
The cooper s has actually been officially clocked at 6.3 seconds with the auto transmission
buying super minis with auto 💀💀💀
I'm leaning towards the cooper myself. As an aircraft mechanic I was pretty excited about the toggle switches, but unfortunately those switches don't hold in place or click like they would in an aircraft.
They feel more like regular buttons than switches, but aesthetically still cool nonetheless.
I wonder which car is safer to drive? Like if there's an accident what's the chance of survival in each car?
Have driven both, it's not even a contest... The fiesta is a far more superior car and specially for the money
Doesn't look good though, can't imagine the ST being better performance wise
m ws Them look at the specs. You are able to read, I guess. And once you’ve test driven both, you will know.
Have owned both. The ST in stock form pulls harder than the Cooper S and handles better! Also took mine on Autobahn last year and hit 148mph. I liked the mini but the ST is just more engaging to drive
@7:15 You can opt for the bigger screen as an Option on the Mini.
At 2300 pounds as part of a pack
Yes I use to have a Cooper s I had the bigger screen
Worth getting the sat-nav and infotainment system when buying a Copper s.
The front door panels in the Fiesta can hold a 1L metal thermos, they have small wedge shaped holders in the door.
The ST is just Amazing.
Have it since October and it is worth every Euro! Nice Video btw!
Congrats on a great choice, and thanks for watching! 😁👍
I wonder which car is safer to drive? Like if there's an accident what's the chance of survival in each car?
Yeah. ST for me too.. more sporty looks to me.. And I'd like the utilitarian design on the Dashboard too.. Fiesta all the way.. cheers!..
Think I'd go for the mini ultimately. JCW pack and dechroming makes it look amazing
Agreed on the de-chroming!
@@BOTBreviews just gives it that added aggression that makes it so appealing! Also the exhaust sound from stock is pretty good
Fantastic review. Enjoyed your video
Thanks! 😁👍
Also, the B&O system in the Fiesta has much better bass control reaching lower frequencies than the Mini, I've had one with B&O and my partner's Mini has H/K.
The only downside with the Fiesta is that it creates rattles in the front doors, the Mini doesn't have that problem because there isn't any bass coming from the doors.
@Concrete Head thats hilarious
I wonder what percentage of cars have ever been driven at their potential top speed? Hardly any I would guess
Mini for me. Fiesta a bit cheap looking.
ok i will pick ford bc its american and im proud to be american
@@kinalbo it’s built in cologne
I wonder which car is safer to drive? Like if there's an accident what's the chance of survival in each car?
The Mini's coppers and copper s and JCW are made in Oxford England and some other types in the Netherlands. The new Mini Countryman in 2023 are set to be made in Leipzig BMW plant in Germany.
I love the Fiesta ST
Great review guys 👍
For my next car (probably 2 years away) I’m looking at these 2 (2019 ish). Still a bit worried about the fiesta ST getting stolen. I live in a safe town but when I go to cities I just don’t know whether i should worry
I'm about to change my Leon cupra and I thinking about these mini Cooper s or SD and fiesta st anyone any thoughts ?
Mini’s a better car. Fiesta’s the better pure driving machine.
Why is the Mini the better car then? These cars are meant to be driving machines.
@@0210mick I’ve driven both and prefer the mini for driving and everything else, only a personal preference tho I know a lot of people who think otherwise
I wonder which car is safer to drive? Like if there's an accident what's the chance of survival in each car?
The Mini would win against the fiesta in performance as people who have Dyno run their Mini Cooper s has around 200-210 bhp on average. Not sure why mini give such a low official figure and when remapped it can produce up to 280-300bhp from the BMW B48 engine.
Take a look at Pt2, not the case.....
James Gill bullshit! My Mk7 Fiesta St has stock 203 HP on the dyno and I heard from people which run close to 400hp on stock block and internals. Obviously with an upgradeturbo. But the Mk8 Fiesta ST always produces around 205 hp from Factory and they also have a good tuning potential. The engine is just pretty new so the softwaredeveloper arent so far in pushing the limits of the engine
I love that fiesta hands down
I own the Fiesta ST-3 MK8 in that white and it is an absolute pocket rocket. I have the performance pack with launch control which is nice, but it's not worth it as it always wheels spins, regardless of the weather. But with all the extras you get, I'd 100% recommend!!
Look out for Part 2 - we may or may not test that function 😂
Are you from the future are we not on the mk7 at the moment
@@chrisredfield3240 Mk8 buddy
*Buys performance pack for launch control on a fwd and not the limited slip diff* 💀
@@itstommyv6895 won't make a difference it's still FWD which is shit and will slip. I now have AWD and the difference is huge
Mini 🤟🏾working to get one or hopefully win with botb👍🏽
what about fords gear?
I've come from a Cupra 290 (with DSG 🙄) to a MK8 ST with performance pack. Until I drove the ST I thought the CUPRA was an engaging car, how wrong I was. The ST is absolutely on another level for feedback, engagement, fun, involvement basically anything you can mention. Although in the 290s defence the DSG is the most boring and mundane item ever installed into a hot hatch. Also the B&O in the ST is absolutely fantastic if you set it up correctly. Very powerful, very controlled, superb sound staging
😂 Nice energy boys 😂
Also the middle one fits a red bull
Rear headlights, next to the rear bonnet 😉
Buy the bloody mini an have some fun interiors better heaps cooler
Did you forget to mention that most of the st have the Ford performance pack.
Quaife lsd and launch control.
Or is that in part two?
Part two 😊 Next Sunday.
The mini has launch control too. On the auto anyway.
Mini for girls st for me .
The Ford st will have a greater aftermarket parts department compared to the mini. The aftermarket parts will be cheaper in any case.
This is true, though the older second gen minis have a large aftermarket parts market.
This couldn't have come at a more perfect time, putting deposit down for the ST later this week!
Pt 2 next Sunday! ST is a wicked car. Thanks for watching 😊
Just a heads up, panoramic sunroofs actually eat into head space on cars not the opposite. 🙂
On the sides, yes. But they offer greater headroom where the glass is.
Mini speedometer maxes at 160, I ha e gotten mine up to 160. Idk where you are getting 146 from.
A 1968 Mini Cooper s had a 130mph on the speedometer. But you'll be lucky to get 100mph out of it. But the feeling you would think you was doing over 150mph.
I own a fiesta non ST, so you may think I’m a bit biased, but I would not take a mini if you gave me one.
The fiesta chassis in the dry with the sticky tyres I have put on is just a point and shoot machine. The only time it’s nervous and really moves around is on snow, or frosty roads.
Even with the BMW’s sporty mini’s reputation, the fiesta will just outperform it, clear winner to me
I’m with you! - Tim 😁👍
Have you driven both?
@@bunkaaa8726 Yes I have driven a fiesta ST and a Mini Cooper S. Really do not like the mini.
@@HlspwnsWorld How do they differ other then straight line performance exactly? Genuinely curious as to why you think the mini is so bad.
@@bunkaaa8726 The fiesta ST has quite a hard ride, it’s more taught, it’s more direct. It’s very focused in directional changes and feels light. It musters up speed and it feels like it never looses it.The power can easily override the front wheels and it can feel very aggressive and a bit unnerving when driven very hard. But even when it’s scrabbling for grip, it’s all very predictable and precise. It’s a car that you remember, when you get out of it, and you have a smile on your face.
The mini for me was the exact opposite. It felt bland and unimpressive. Yes it made progress, it cornered quickly and was sure footed. But the word lumpy just comes to mind. It’s like the mini was designed for the average person, then someone decided we need to add a bit of performance. The power delivery is flat, and it just revs out. When your throw it around, you get the impression it does not want to do that. If fact it’s on the same level of disappointment of the power and acceleration of the modern GT-86.
mini is a winni for me. just take it down to mulgari....drive away with 310bhp ;)
Haha. Winnie is mini!! The Mulgari one is just amazing we have to say.
the middle cup holder in the fiesta is for an espresso cup. duh!
Or a McDonalds orange juice lol
I totally agree that the mini's interior is too busy. I had a normal Cooper for a few weeks back in March/April and there is a HECK of a lot going on. I also didn't find the infotainment system all that easy to navigate, and even worse on the go. I do like the Fiesta a lot.
Fiesta is the best car on sale today. FACT! 😂 - Tim
I wonder which car is safer to drive? Like if there's an accident what's the chance of survival in each car?
*Buttons are in the place you expect them to be* If there is one remark to be properly made about the ST its that the drive modes are badly positioned
I wonder which car is safer to drive? Like if there's an accident what's the chance of survival in each car?
Good review boys
More of these real world cars please and less of the esoteric stuff. please ;-)
We’ll try our best! Thanks for watching 😁👍
Their is no comparison, especially interior. Compare the iDrive to Fords & you'll see what i mean lol.
I prefer the drive over in car entertainment...
My issue with this comparison is its not really comparing like with like in the range, minis are better cars that does not mean they wont break down range rovers, aston martins break down. Mini's cost more because they use better quality finishes, the ST is the top of the range performance verision if you want to do a comparison with a mini you would need to compare it with the JCW sports at a shade over £25000 its a lot more car than the fiesta ST and only costs £1,900 more.
When people are looking to buy a car it’s generally at a set price point, so comparing the two models at the similar price is far more effective. Also they have far more similar specs.
Never been a fan of Ford but can't say I'm super pumped about mini either
Drive either of them and have your mind changed, dude.
I wonder which car is safer to drive? Like if there's an accident what's the chance of survival in each car?
Idk about the newer 3 cyl but the fiesta 4 cyl is a more reliable car than any fi bmw. Far cheaper parts as well.
The minis have their own fine points but they are not necessarily great cars for those who dont keep up with maintenance, though some models and years are better than others. Even with excellent preventative maintenance its far more likely expensive things will break.
These new minis are very reliable, that's why this year they are 3rd in reliabilty in the UK for cars sold in the last 5 years, BMW's are relaible aswell just make sure you maintain it.
@@yashmann that's hilarious
@@gamesmaster1060 ok just see owner reviews and reliability scores
@@yashmann stop spiting marketing crap
@@gamesmaster1060 what mate you know new BMW after like 2015 are super solid, my mini is on 151k miles now no major issues so far and it was it's got the n47 which was known to have issues but super solid so far
abs module 2 million dollars every part that goes bad on a mini is every part that has voltage going through it
6.57 that sounded just like him 🤣
Shouldn't have given up the point for design, the Fiesta looks a billion times better and has far less of the fakery showcased by the Mini
I didn’t want to 😂 - Tim
@@BOTBreviews I’m thinking about getting a used fiesta st-3 for £15k as my first car (aged 24), any reason why I shouldn’t?
Absolutely not, other than potential insurance costs. Though at 24 it shouldn’t be too painful.
@@BOTBreviews thank you very much! :)
The ford is the better hot hatch, you dont need a (premium) feel in a HH as it's supposed to be cheap fun, the Mini is not cheap and it's not as good, that's why the MK7 was so successful
@Max MORRIS how? You're just paying for the name with Mini, because it's a designer car brand so it's not better no.
Drive one..
I own a MK7 Fiesta ST2, and I had a Mini Cooper S courtesy car for two weeks. I believe the Cooper S is much better to be fair. The interior was a ton more exciting, it has a sport mode which actually does something, the exhaust sounds better and I also thought it was better looking. I remember the Cooper being faster than my ST2 as well. I love my ST2, but I think it would be more exciting having to live with a Cooper S for 5 years. All my cars have been Ford so far so I guess you could call me a Ford fan so that's my honest unbiased opinion.
Jesus I didn't think I would be saying this but after this review you I think the fiesta is a better car car to Jesus that's my dreams blown I seriously will have to look into this before I actually buy a mini now s***
Glad to help! 😁👍
Engine wise you are not analyzing the most important part of a hot hatch, customization/upgradability/potential.
By that I mean that 2L engine will last longer and has higher threshold of max hp remap while 1.5L from ford is certainly dealing with higher turbo pressure and has lower tuning potential, while also consuming more fuel due to it's low torque compared to bigger engine. Therefore mini's engine is a much more safe and interesting option for entusiasts and has higher potential longevity.
I’d say that only really applies after a few years though, do many people really modify brand new cars?
@@BOTBreviews why else buy a hot hatch? Besides, tuning is not the whole point of my comment. It's more of a... How close to the limit of parts is tue car operating on day to day basis. How much the parts will deteorate under max load. Example: what will it take for engine to overheat, brakes to fade, clutch to slip, turbo to spit oil. Trust me, under load even oem car can be taken to it's limit in less than 24H. Reason why even most supercars auto transmission allow not more than 2-5 launches in a row.
ST Just great fun to drive.
fiesta looks/sound better getting one this sumner
The audacity from Ford to slap halogen headlights on a 2019 model is pure rip off. I saw ford focuss t line x 2019 with halogen headlights yesterday, beyond belief.
You’re not wrong, LED really should be standard, especially on a £20k Fiesta.
Cooper is to your side chick like the fiesta is to your spoiled niece.. the ST is a gimmic. The Cooper is a legend..
St looks great
All filmed like 3 miles from house in brockenhurst!!!!
Lovely area. 😊
@@BOTBreviews and the road you were driving on at the end is a great piece of road as well!!
No color, one is a timeless design car…. Like a 911…. The other is not…. You will see how both age so different
Ford do have some quality recaros 👌
The back end of the Fiesta is awful plus I’ll bet that 2L is a lot less stressed and will last longer.
I wonder which car is safer to drive? Like if there's an accident what's the chance of survival in each car?
Both riddled with faults then what car can you buy with out faults plastic every where i bet they do not tell about faults
fiesta any day
The only word I have for that car they decided to call a "Mini"... is Horrendous.
Union Jack headlights?... A big No for me! Massive gammon impending!
Why I think they look great
Hard to get away from the perception that the Mini is a ladies car, it’s still out there
I wonder which car is safer to drive? Like if there's an accident what's the chance of survival in each car?
@@jiasunglee9862 wouldn’t the NCAP rates give you that info? Not sure how’s that relevant to my point, the Mini is seen as a woman’s car, no question.
I don't know why I've never been able to stand the Mini look. It's the pug of cars. Love it or hate it.
MINI IS NOT A MINI NO MORE ITS MORE SUV
Mini on a dyno is normally over 200 bhp, better to add a map instantly taking it to 270 bhp+, smaller fiesta engine won’t handle the stress and won’t last as long..soon to be made in China
Guys, you're not American, stop shouting please! :P
BMW mini or a Ford ...... Let me think .... I think BMW all the time a German make then a American make wins all the time for me
Interesting way to look at it - I’d prefer to judge a car on the way that it looks and drives, rather than the badge! - Tim
Mini feels more premium than Ford
Sam Wayne really... I didnt had that feeling when I testdrove one
Not after it's got a few miles on the clock, my partner has a Mini Cooper S JCW and there's rattles and crashes over most bumps. Cars only done 30k as well.
Billy Johnson true
LordExona that’s a shame. I liked the tech in mini. Maybe cause I got optional extras on mine.
Billy Johnson lol I feel that a bit on mine too but nothing like a good smack on the rattling bits to shut it up 😂😂
I like mini cooper because its small and looks fun to drive
Minis look like a mom car
The mini IS better
St looks leaps and bounds better
the ford looks like a hybrid
Honestly, don't get a Cooper, or anything Mini. Absolutely GARBAGE reliability completely nullifies any advantage it could possibly have over the Ford. I say this, having owned my Cooper S for like 9 months.
bmw mini every piece on that car is going to fail thats electronic
Warning don't touch the bmw mini I was glad to see the back of mine total junk, engine destroys itself after 30,000 miles appaling engine design I'm glad I got my new st. It puts bmw to shame
Mark Leaning I’ve got a F56 on 41k had it since 13k not had one problem with it serviced it regularly and it’s been the best car I’ve ever had. It’s also tuned to around 260hp 400nm and is an absolute flying machine.
@@gsmini1749 well your mini must have a ford engine in
Mark Leaning b48 is one of the best engines about, its proven it is and it’s proven that it’s cape able of high performance! Obviously a typical ford fan boy.
@@gsmini1749 actually the mini are a nice car to drive but very poor engine reliability over engineered junk
Mark Leaning it’s probably just luck of the draw I can imagine mate! Probably just got one of them engines that hadn’t been ran in properly so fucked up I suppose!!
I’ll admit the minis are lovely to drive and really quick when tuned but the handling on them is no where near as good as the older minis!! Lowering mine soon hoping that transforms the handling!!
The dilemma is bassicaly : do you want people to think you're a hairdresser or a teenarger ?
Mini for me ...that 3 cylinder does my head in
Totally the opposite for me, 3 cylinder engines sound so much nicer than the drone of an IL4.
SkyWizardless Do you own a mini with the 1.5 B38 engine?
It’s a cracking engine, so much torque and sounds great when worked as well 👍
No way that mini is better than the ST
I wonder which car is safer to drive? Like if there's an accident what's the chance of survival in each car?
Still worried the engine of the ST won't survive to 100k. The coming years will be very telling.
Indeed, like the 1.4 TSi engines in Tiguans and Passats!
The MK8 has been ruined, the rear is awful and the front isnt much better either, can't see this being a good seller...yes it may have good performance but for the majority, looks are important, you don't see many on the roads, Ford you've fucked up massively
The Cooper S is an automatic? A small "hot hatch" with an automatic gearbox... FFS. These kind of cars are supposed to be about fun and involvement.
...as stated many times in the video, you can buy it as a manual (which is the better of the two.) 👍🏻
I wouldn't dream of a manual in this day and age.
@@redtvproductions1 correct, Luddites probably want manually operated windscreen wipers too 😂
As an American... Fiesta 100%
Blind. The MINI is a caricature of the original Mini. It looks like a dog's dinner to me. It's not even cohesive. As for build quality. Have BMW managed to build a reliable MINI yet? Because I've not seen one. I'd take the ST over that mess every day of the week.
Mini is a bmw much more prestigeous
Mini poorly made, but you only find out after you got it. Ford all the way 🤠
haha bro
- Catastrophique-ATE Continental Freins à disque avants qui équipent la Fiesta nouvelle neuve actuelle:voyez ,où plutôt écouter ce qui se passe lorsqu'on freine,en terminaison de freinage,c'est grinçant,à croire qu'il n'y a pas de garniture et que cela frotte plaquette sans garniture contre disque sonore,et ceci c'est à tout moment de l'année,et c'est audible à l'intérieur de la Fiesta,vitres fermées,jusqu'aux places arrières;on ressent même le crissement du frottement plaquettes/disques dans la pédale de frein Pour le chef d'atelier,c'est normal...voyons donc! mais après 36 000 km et 1an et demi à rouler,les crissements de tôle en terminaison de freinage sont toujours làl Pas la moindre amélioration! Mais ceci n'est pas sans conséquence pour Ford,car à cause de ces ATE Continental,autour de moi,plus personne ne veut acheter une Ford neuve.
How on earth did they manage to make a car as beautiful as the Fiesta ST look so ugly on the outside? Those alloys are so poor and that rear is still appalling. Previous instalment was so much nicer outside, shame they couldn’t freshen up the interior
Who else is upset that Ford isn't making the Fiesta anymore? 😩
Don't you mean the Focus RS?
Mini if your a girl and a fan of poorly put together cars.
Mini is an automatic so it's an immediate fail
Utter BS lol
Stop talking like your audience are 5 years of age.
If you start a comparison of driving machines with the looks and the infotainment and whatever other utter nonsense that has nothing to do with driving I'm wondering what kind of viewers you want.
Our audience want to have a good view of all aspects of the two cars. We’re not sure why you’d buy a car on JUST the performance aspect? It’s a shame you feel a car is JUST about how it drives. It’s about the whole ownership of the vehicle.
@@BOTBreviews Colin Chapman would disagree, I think.
I always regretted buying a car that did not drive to my 'standards'. The looks and interior... after two weeks it's like you owned it for years. The way it drives brings the smile on your face, or makes you feel you want to leave behind the car at the nearest gas station. Beauty without real character?
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with these 2 cars, but in case of comparing drivers cars, you start with... driving.
Compare it to speakers. Would you buy speakers that sound less, but look better? I wouldn't. So start with how they sound.
audi a1 better than them both haha
Better how?