Barn Find 1966 Pontiac 2+2 Convertible Gets 421 Engine!
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Last summer we bought this 1966 Pontiac 2+2 convertible in southern Missouri on the Arkansas border. It had sat in a hay barn for about 15 years. I purchased it from the owner's widow who was so happy to see it go to someone that reminded her of her husband when he bought the car decades ago. The old hot rod has a lot of great options including a convertible top, power windows, power antenna, air conditioning, and reclining bucket seats with headrests! The odometer shows a little over 20,000 miles, but I assume it's 120k. Nevertheless, the body is exceptionally cleaner than most cars its age, despite having probably the worst lacquer-checked paint I've ever seen. Under the hood was a tired 400 cubic inch Pontiac engine from the late 70s. It looked like it was swapped in there a long time ago. The original 421 engine was included, but it broke a connecting rod and beat up one of the cylinders. At least one hole in the block will have to be sleeved, but we have it at least. This sent us on a quest to find another 421 engine for it. We were fortunate enough to find a 1965 Catalina 2+2 421 automatic that was wrecked hard in the front on an insurance auction in Missouri. The car wasn't salvageable, but it appeared that the engine and transmission were rebuilt in the last ten years or so. We were able to buy the car for the value of the engine and transmission, and also got some Cragar S/S wheels and nice red interior with it. I was pleasantly surprised to find out the drivetrain had some speed parts installed: factory long branch exhaust manifolds, and Edelbrock Performer RPM intake manifold, roller rockers, a goofy Hurst shifter, and a 2400 RPM stall converter! The drivetrain package was installed in the 66 just as it was in the 65, with the exception of a different carburetor and some new gaskets and paint. In this video, I go through the steps that I took to get the 421 running, and then installed in our pretty white 66 2+2. Thanks for watching! Please like, comment, and subscribe!
Incredible craftsmanship! The emotional connection to the car and the meticulous process made this video a joy to watch
Don't Remember Ever seeing a Convertible 2+2 !
Real Wide Track Excitement ! Congrats dude.
Thanks it's a lot of fun! Have an even rarer wide track I'll be doing a video on soon
Mr. B. Here ! 🍩☕️👀😎👍. WOW ! I have not seen one since late 69 or mid 70’s . WOW the black wreck looks like the one I saw all those years ago , very cool cars 🍩☕️👀😎👍
Great job switching the engines out on the 2+2 Pontiac. Your the definitely are the Pontiac man. Thanks for sharing!
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Appreciate it Terry! Can't wait to get another 421 car on the channel
I am going to watch every second and I am very happy you found this car and will save it. I have had a 1964 Bonneville Convertible for years now and just love it. I grew up with a 1965 Bonneville Convertible and so my love runs deep for these cars. The only thing I did, that I suggest anyone do, is make this a tandem brake system. I am not a disk brake conversion fan but making these pre 1967 cars tandem brakes is easy. It only takes a couple of lines, a straight fitting and a later tandem master cylinder. I did this within a week of buying mine and it gives such peace of mind. I also did this on a 1957 GMC. Whenever I see these with with a single cyl it almost causes pain! Mine is almost totally original down to the plastic timing gear teeth I found in the oil pan from where it failed in 1968 so I will do anything for safety of the car, me and others on the road. I think I just got a tandem cylinder for a 1968 Bonneville, some line and a fitting and it was done. On the GMC it has the waring lamp if one side is lost so that may be a good idea for your car? I have the 389ci so I am super happy you found a 421 and I get to see that. I only have the 5 lug wheels but other wise she is decked out like your car. I have the vacuum trunk release, speaker switch, power ant, factory A/C and remote side mirror and the dealer matching mirror on the right that they say is rare. Loving watching your video and seeing all the things I see when I pull Bon Bon out of my barn. I have several videos about mine on RUclips and some older ones on Odysee. If I can help in anyway let me know and I'll post a video for you or whatever. I've done that a few times for other guys but overall I think you have it all well in hand. I think I'll make a short video today on what I did on mine as I haven't even thought about it in awhile. Can't hurt to have another Pontiac video out there! Bobby
I appreciate it Bobby! Would love to see a video on the routed brake lines with the dual reservoir cylinder. I would consider doing it with this car, since I'll be keeping it around
@@ChiefClassics I did a walk around and video yesterday (now there are 2) and just posted it so you can see what I did. I think you'll like Bonnie. She was decked out like your Cat 2+2. I didn't look to see if anyone else talks about doing this on RUclips but I'm sure it's there somewhere. I think tandem systems were offered on some cars before it was law. I think AMC offered it and "Freemans Garage" talks about it. I bet Caddy & maybe Lincoln did too but I'm not sure. I did all of this work before I had a RUclips channel (Also a total Jaguar S1 E-Type rebuild) so I don't have a record dad gum it! ---- I just spent some time going over receipts and found the part numbers for what I used! That took some time. Anyway I made another video talking about that too & my VIN number & ACC meanings. I hope this will catch on so we don't have another classic ending up like that one that crashed. Bobby
Finally a true Pontiac enthusiast. I've been searching for you Pontiac car dudes like forever. At least one is better than zip. You've got my attention. Keep em coming.
As a young driver I bought our family car from my dad for 50.00. A 64 Catalina Ventura. The interiors in Pontiacs were truly beautiful, especially the dashes, and the chrome machined gear selector. Thanks for sharing your passion with us.
I checked out ur channel after you did the purchase from Mortske. I had never seen or heard of you before that. You have great content going on. Love the old Pontics in your collection. Keep doing what you’re doing. Can’t wait to see the finale dialing in of ur 2+2. I will be looking forward to the next video. That black donor car sure took a hell of a hit. He must have been having to much fun. Perfect impression of a utility pole. Take care and stay safe.
That is an incredible car to find today.
What a beautiful car!! I love your building ❤ it reminds me of my Grandpa's barn that had steal beams for the haymont floor. I purchased a chain operating hoist, mounted on 1 of these huge beams and wow I could back in my truck run the hoist down to it unload and run the load back down the track as if it was nothing!! You have the ceiling to install such a system and I made my purchase at a farmers auction! Great show 👏 👍
Thanks! It was built in the 20s and was originally a WIllys Overland dealership. Neat to see it turn into a dealership again after 100 years
Very few of us that know much about old Pontiacs are left. Great channel
Man that thing runs good
It's getting exhaust Tuesday! Can't wait
I'm a new subscriber. I love Pontiacs (before GM started to slather them in plastic doodads). I had a 66 Catalina White/Red 2 door hardtop as a first car. I still think it is one of the most beautiful designs ever made. I like your channel. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks Paul! Next video will be another 66 Catalina!
My Pontiac man. Your love for these cars is evident in your videos. 💯👊👍
What a cool old car!! Hope to see more content on it
It'll get some more finishing touches!
I set my phone on my desk let your videos play while I work. I find my self distracted with your work..lol. This is one of my new favorite channels. 😊
Greatly appreciate it Chad! I'm trying to get better at editing. Can't believe the videos end up this long!
@ChiefClassics I don't see anything that needs done better at all. Your editing seems to be just fine from this side. I really like the long videos. You seem to go through the whole process on each car in each video. Most channels don't do that. Are you or did you sell the Cutlass?
@@ChiefClassics don't change a thing in the editing. You keep your videos real and your viewers can relate to them.
Jeff, nice to see you putting the work in on the old girl.
yes canadian cars got the small blocks and big block chevs unfortunately, they are called the Parisienne 2+2 up until the late 70s i believe, we also had a Pontiac Acadian (nova)up until 1970 and a Pontiac Beaumont (chevelle) up until 1969 the Beaumont had a performance option called the SD (superduty) with the L78 375hp 396, you could still purchase a nova and a chevelle in canada and i believe get a small block chev factory in 1st gen firebirds, and in the lemans/tempest t37s we didnt have catalinas instead we had the Laurentian, the bonneville not sure about that, it was because of tariffs from cross border sales and shipping but those tariffs were abolished eventually in the late 60s
your chain is fine those hooks are not made for that. I had at least 3 Pontiac Grand Prix in the early 1970s. Definitely my favorite car and I have had a few cars. I still have a 1965 4-speed car in my garage. If memory is working it has the M-22 tranny with a mile-long tail shaft attached and the car has 8 bolt wheels so your channel and interests are echoed in my memories
65s are the best looking GPs, inside and out. Yeah those tile shafts are at least a foot long!
@@ChiefClassics up until early seventies the GP was one of the finest bodies even the largest cars came out attractive and sticking with two doors helped. 65 had more coke bottle curves than the rest I think and the parking lights and grilles were really something special . Used them as running lights on overcast days when I could think of it . Today they would likely be always on , and l. E. D.
fantastic rebuild she is a beauty you are a very talented bloke love the video you know your onions enjoyed it alot great workmanship perfect job
I like your taste in cars🎉🎉 as a teenager I bought a '66 GTO RAG TOP,400 4bbl,4sp.totally ragged out. But,It was a MONSTER!! Then yrs, later, a '69 Firebird. 400,4bbl power glide! Run 1st gear up to 60+,shift13 to 2nd, you hit Warp factor 5,!!! Hit 130,instantly!! Those were the Days! ...sigh..
The later Pontiac heads are more than lowering compression on your engine. They are also set up for the New unleaded gas. The hardened seats hold up and do not end up recessing the valves into the head. I am actually running the Harder to find 5C heads from a Pontiac 350 Gives my .40 over 389 a decent 9 to one compression ratio and the ability to run regular old pump gas. As for your 421 in the Donner car. The car was a Standard shift but the low power version of the 421 It did not come with the HO exhaust manifolds. You still can purchase the Reproduction HO manifolds and the adapter for Pontiac. I believe the 4-speed was changed over to auto by the last owner. I'm surprised you did not clean up the transmission before the install.
421 Exhaust manifolds are excellent. There's many surprises Pontiac put into the 421 engine. Read up on it, it's a powerful engine!
Always enjoy your videos, keep 'em coming! --Stephen from Texas
Greatly appreciate it Stephen!
Sounds good can't wait to hear her when everything is dialed in and your secondaries are kicking in.
Love your set-up and taste in cars!
Love the car. Enjoyed your video style.
Nice work ! My father had a 66 Bonneville with the 389 and I thought it was fast ! Great car !
Here from Mortske. My favorite car as a young man 2as a 72 firebird bought from a friend.
Those are sharp cars! I have a 78 as well
Awesome cars I like your style .keep video s Rolling
Great video, I have a 66’ catalina convertible that is a blast to drive.
From the looks of the dash gages, “WEAR YOUR SEAT BELTS KIDS!!”
Beautiful car,I'm envious!
Frame is a good source of patch pieces for someone who has a very nice car with no money and is only needed a little repair but it is hard to make a stamped piece on your home bench so I'm sure it will take on a new life getting as many other cars back as the first day it ran I had 3 66 impala 2 ss one 2dr ht and a drop top only 283 and a glide but it was mid 90s and then she got a tuned port 350 and the 700r4 was a 2004r grand national Trans and the 12 bolt it came with now I'm in my 40s ls is just as close to the old days and u just needed a 267-400 in your local junkyard to make it to work on Monday and Friday night she is going home with the one that we pulled in trunk days I was proud to have been tested in
Looks good
1:18:35 YOU! Are right. That IS the best engine color of ALL TIME!! Or at least that I've ever seen and IMHO. LOL. Rock on!!
I came across your channel a few months ago and stuck with it because my father and uncle had a 2 + 2 they bought them from the same dealership, at the same time. My dad's was burgundy and my uncle's was blue, beautiful cars I love to do one myself. Just for a idea would be don't lift the car in front while putting motor in
Very cool 🤙 I picked up a handful of Pontiacs. One 65 8 lug convertible Bonnie not sure what🎉's under the hood yet it's in the back of a lot it'll be a bit until I bring it home
What a shame . The black car took a hit , and the guy or gals legs had to been really messed up . Great video, love those cars .
Next time liquid steel some earth magnets in the oils pans and transmission pans.place them about 2" from sides away from any pick up tubes.
I don't understand wanting to lower compression. So the 4x heads have higher compression? I have a 400 with later 4x heads.
Enjoyed watching your Pontiac videos man wish you were closer to Tennessee id be hitting you up for some parts for my 66 GTO my 68 GTO my 68 GTO convertible LOL
6x-4 heads have a 93.75 cc chamber that should put the 421 at roughly 8.4:1 CR. Original 421 heads had 65 cc chambers putting CR at 11. Adding 30 cc's to a 65 cc chamber is considerable, thus 338 hp is now likely less and power is down at all engine rpms. Not bad yet noteworthy. Great content!
Aren't there several cc sizes for 6x-4 heads? I've had several with a variety of sizes
@@jnerisatufa8395 According to Butler, there are 3 versions of the 6x heads used on the 75-79 Pontiac engines. the 6x-4 is 93.74 cc, the 6x-6 is 124.51 cc and the 6x-8 is 100.04 cc
That 2+2 is the stuff plus drop man its in there you are A damm good mechy to
What did you do with the red door panels and seats from the wrecked car?
I would put that factory pan back on and just get a new crush washer
1:22:50 I'm confused a bit by this compression being better for regular fuel at that very low 8.5 to 1 or something like that, compared to the 11.5 to 1 like you mention here. I have a different engine than this beauty in one of my cars and it runs at 11.5 to 1 although it's a race derived S54 Straight six from the "M" division of BMW back in 2006. (3.2L). I guess there must be other reasons to this topic that matter to the the fuel types of course but I run no less than 91 RON and usually 94 RON (Because it's available in my area easily) from the pump in it. I wonder if I could run E85 in that baby safely?? I run a 40% E85 mix in my twin turbo 335i but it's tuned for it so I guess that would have to happen for sure before I could even think about it etc.
1:14:05 YEA BABY! BLUE SHOP TOWELS ARE THE LIFE SAVER OF MY GARAGE!!! LOL.
Love that car
And why did you not clean the transmission and paint that
My older brother had a 61 Catalina convertible and a 65 Bonneville Convertible with the 421-4 speed, 8 lug wheels. Red with a white leather interior and white top. My mom had a blue-green 66 Catalina 9 passenger wagon with a 389-2 bbl "All Fuel Engine" that I have not been able to find any information on. My dream is to have another 66 Catalina wagon but I don't see that happening.
Canuck 2+2 came with Chevy short blocks(CSB) as well as 396ci (found in Camaro SS of same year) and 427ci.(Per Wikipedia)
i have a 66 2 plus 2 convertable,has original 421 plus tri power and original 8 lug rims ,needs total resto ,would you be interested,
Yup I would be! Feel free to email me at chiefclassicauto@gmail.com
Hey man I have a xx 400 w x16 heads. What year engine block and heads yr
Eiu green loctite for the seals they fell a 3000 Gap I think it's 760 I'm a tool maker we use that at work
I have found that in some cases, it is easier to remove the engine and the transmission separately and this appears to be just such a case.
Bought my wife a grinder for xmas. Lot cheaper than waxing!
😊 I know it's been a month since you did the 421 engine Nice rockers but what I would have done if I were you I would have taken the intake off and taking it up to any local machine shop and had a glass beaded and it would have looked brand new that it charged you're probably 30 bucks at sandblasting with glass I'm sure you know that but it look like brand new then you could have replaced the valley pan with a brand new and it would have looked at incredible for just little or no money and a little more labor just a thought I'm a Pontiac addict but it's been a while since I had one I had a 69 formula 400 4 speed I put a cage in it thought it made it faster lol still a very very nice car I also had the last Pontiac I had was an 87 Grand Prix that I had really nice rims on and it was a aid out of a 10 as far as the body and interior should never got rid of that I should have just put a engine in it but should have could have would have😂😂😂😂 anything you ever need man I identity puppies for 30 years I'm a GM Master tech Chevrolet MasterTech and an ASE Master tech but I learned more doing the stuff on my own just like you're doing it than I ever learned at the GM training center trust me brother My name is Mark man peace holler anytime
Geez that impact! Looks like someone drove 100+ mph into a telephone pole, no, actually something steel like a guard rail
You really really should switch over to a duel port master cylinder for the brakes ? It’s a lot safer !
Theres a two door manual 421 bonneville for sale in Baltimore. Its tight
Canadian cars got 327 or 396 I believe ? I had a 65 Pontiac Parisienne custom sport with a 327 - 300 hp camel 🐪 hump heads but i believe they also could have a 396.
I believe you're correct! Not sure what else was different, if anything
Doesn’t Pontiac 400 trance have electric down supposed to be attached to the gas pedal the wire comes from the trance on the left side as far as those carburetors Alden Brock I wouldn’t have one of those on mine. Had one on my goat, kept messing up for me a good carburetor, put it on it have no problem now run a second better than dead before but that’s just me doing a good job.
Your advice about going to trade schools a good idea but if it's to become a mechanic I suggest going for heavy equipment mechanic they make the most money they usually start ten dollars higher per hour salary
6X heads has hardened valve seats best to keep the valves from shrinking up into the head
When ya pulling a motor with trans on it put a tie down at the back so you can lift the trans up..
Where do find these Pontiac's, and do you sell them?
They've came from all over the US and Canada. Yup I will!
That looks like my uncle's did it come from south central Kansas
Is the black 63 the 3 speed car with red interior?
The Catalina convertible? 4 speed with red and white interior yes
@@ChiefClassics I was thinking it was the 3 on the tree, from Craigslist in Tennessee
In gas crisis it was only way to drive them so lowering the compression allowed to go to the junkyard and be able to use your car my uncle did it to a friend's car that had a hopped up sbc dz motor if I remember correctly from that he had the no bolt hole double hump heads
Move pick up point to the front of the engine to make it work straight up and out
Put the longbranchs on the engine before installing engine in car. Buy a carburetor plate for engine pulling
When you drive a black top convertible with top up on a baking hot day you’ll understand why A/C is necessary in a convertible. I personally hate them cause you get badly sunburned and your interior gets sunbaked and searing hot with top down.
You should have left that 400 complete when you removed it totally unnecessary to remove the distributor ?
It's still in the engine. Took the cap and rotor off so that I wouldn't smash it
I bet the previous owner is still upset about this car insurance don't replace the memories and hopefully they are In another one
Is this car older than you?
I would have took the tires of the front to make it easier to yank that motor
"Use your brains people!" he says and then proceeds to attempt to remove the engine with a hoist while the car is two feet off the ground.
All you had to do was remove the front wheels to lower it plenty enough
Hi make a homemade foam cannon and use Dawn. It’s going to degrease everything and it’s ok on the environment. Been using it for over 40 years.
Do you have an email? A buddy of mine just listed a 66 star chief for sale in Seward.
Use a slide hammer for the water pump
Let air outta tires some
speedometer reeds 0
Poor editing. Lots of skips
Took out the most important parts,. I believed yer not a season mechanic. There someone off cam with yer. In these episode, i didn't see yer fiddle and wrench. All yer have is yer motor mouth.
Dude I like channel but your video is too fast , buy head strap or tripods?
I definitely need to. Trying to step up my editing ability. I'll probably have someone else edit for me
Stop being a baby crying get the motor out if it's damaged is damaged you work it out
its just not fair when shitty drivers get awesome cars
Don't worry it gets worse!!
Talk to much
Nah. When it comes to rambling jibber-jabber, he ain't no Mortske.