We Solved Some Mario Mysteries
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In this video, Did You Know Gaming takes a look at several rumored Super Mario games, and gets to the bottom of whether or not the rumors were true.
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Research/Writing by Dylan Mansfield
Video Editing by TheCartoonGamer
Narration by Remix
Special Thanks to Ethan Johnson, LuigiBlood, and Marcus Morgan.
Sources/Further Reading:
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Pickford, Ste. “Mario Artist: Paint Studio / Sound Studio”. Zee-3 Digital Publishing, 9 Oct. 2010, web.archive.or....
Yarwood, Jack. “THE MAKING OF: Mario Artist: Paint Studio, The Japan-Exclusive Mario Paint Successor”. Time Extension, 22 Nov. 2023, timeextension.....
IGN Staff. “Miyamoto Reveals Secrets: Fire Emblem, Mario Paint 64”. IGN, 29 Jul. 1997, ign.com/articl....
“Michael Riedel.” Linkedin, / michael-riedel-2b04484 . Accessed 17 Apr. 2024.
Riedel, Michael. “Overview.” RSP Inc., 27 Jan. 1998, web.archive.or....
"Kids learn from video games". Play Meter. Vol. 18, No. 10. September 1992. p. 28.
"Gaming Gossip". Electronic Gaming Monthly. No. 47. June 1993. p. 52.
"Gaming Gossip". Electronic Gaming Monthly. No. 32. February 1992. p. 34.
Szczepaniak, John. “Like Zelda And Mario, Donkey Kong Was Supposed To Get A Philips CD-i Game - What Happened?”. Time Extension, 29 Jul. 2023, timeextension.....
Anonymous. Personal Interview. 11 May 2021.
Hilliard, Kyle. “Meet The Man Who Put Mario And Zelda On The Philips CD-i” Game Informer, 29 Dec. 2016, gameinformer.c....
Smith, Keith. “The Ultimate (So-Far) History of Gremlin Industries Part 3”. The Golden Age Arcade Historian, 10 Oct. 2015, allincolorfora....
Horowitz, Ken. The Sega Arcade Revolution: A History In 62 Games. McFarland & Company, 2018.
Backiel, Al. “DP Interviews Tom Sloper”. Digital Press, 2009, digitpress.com....
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McFarren, Damien. “Born slippy: the making of Star Fox”. Eurogamer, 22 Jun. 2014, eurogamer.net/....
Switzer, Eric. “Remembering Croc: An Interview With Lead Designer Nic Cusworth”. The Gamer, 6 Mar. 2021, thegamer.com/c....
Hickley Jr., Patrick. The Minds Behind Adventure Games: Interviews with Cult and Classic Video Game Developers. McFarland & Company, 2019.
Anderson, Magnus. Grand Thieves & Tomb Raiders: How British Video Games Conquered the World. Aurum, 2012.
"Exclusive Argonaut Interview!". Sega Saturn Magazine. No. 24. Oct. 1997. p. 63.
Wallace, Mitch. "The Making of Croc: Legends of The Gobbos". Retro Gamer. No. 154. Apr. 2016. pp. 88-91.
Morgan, Marcus. Personal Interview. 28 Jul. 2021.
Anonymous. Personal Interview. 20 Apr. 2024.
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The idea that Nintendo would somehow not come up with the idea to make a 3D platformer for their 3D console, and that they would need to take that idea from someone else is absurd.
I thought I heard somewhere that they wanted to do a 3D platformer on the SNES, but they didn't think the controller was good enough for it.
That’s what they want you to think
@@clydegustafson3587yeah Super Mario 64 started development as a Super FX chip game before they realized that the Super Nintendo controller just wouldn't work on such a game.
@@PaperBanjo64 not true, this is a rumor propagated from the internal prototype name for the chip being named "Super Mario FX". the Ultra 64/N64 (known as Project Reality at the time) started development in 1993, and Super Mario 64 started development in 1994, presumably after the hardware was finished.
specially given that there were already pseudo-3D platformers in those days. It was a given that actual ones would be created once enough processing power was available. Heck Bubsy 3D was in development at the same time as M64.
Always doubted the claim that Nintendo stole the idea for a 3D Platformer from Argonaut. It genuinely felt like something brought up out of spite.
Exactly. If(and I mean IF) there was someone who stole the idea of a 3D platformer from Argonaut, it would've been Accolade considering how rushed Bubsy 3D was & how it was an unfinished pile of toxic poopoo. The developers said that they were unaware of Super Mario 64 when they 1st made Bubsy 3D, but considering Bubsy is a blatant Sonic clone, I wouldn't hold onto such a claim. They probably stole the idea from Bug! on the Sega Saturn however considering that was a 3D platformer released in July of 1995.
Nintendo back in the day was famous for backstabbing/not care about partners. I mean, Sony? Rare?
Argonaut is just one more partner that made them a quality product and ended up taking the short end of tbe stick.
Star Fox 2 was literally a snes game made by them, that nintendo picked up their ideas and turned into starfox 64 without them.
The Sony deal was shit for Nintendo and sega cd just failed. Of course they dropped that deal.
@@Twiztedgoalie And the deal that Nintendo wanted to make was also shit for Sony
@@Twiztedgoalie Plus it wasn't like Miyamoto was making a crappy Sonic clone unlike Micheal Berlyn, whose main creation Bubsy, was indeed a crappy Sonic clone.
Is "A platformer but in 3D" really that unique of an idea? I'm sure countless game devs back then had the same idea
Surprisingly yes that's a thing.
Super Mario 64 wasn't even the first 3D platformer released, seeing as Jumping Flash! came out April 28, 1995 in Japan, over a year before Super Mario 64 was released. Not to mention that Crash Bandicoot and Bubsy 3D were also in development at the same time as Super Mario 64. There's also the infamous Sonic Xtreme, which while it was ultimately cancelled was in development around the same time as Mario 64 as well.
Its a pretty safe bet I would say that once 3D gaming had become a reality in the early 90's that almost every game developer on the planet immediately pivoted to translating every genre of video game into 3D. It would be extremely naïve of Argonaut to think that they were only the developer at the time trying to make a 3D platformer. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if part of the reason that Nintendo rejected Argonaut's pitch was because they didn't want their 3D platformer competing for attention with Super Mario 64, which was likely in the earlier stages of development at the time.
Hell wasn’t one of the early ideas for both Mario Bros 3 and Sonic 3 to do that? Of course they both pivoted away upon realizing it wasn’t possible with the current tech
1991 had Alpha Waves from French developer, Infogrames.
The rumour I had heard was that Croc wasn't made to spite Yoshi, but was made as a prototype for a Yoshi platformer.
And when Nintendo allegedly rejected the idea, development continued as its own IP.
I'm pretty sure this is what they meant by Miyamoto stole their idea
@@dandastardly2792 I mean yeah.
But the narrator went on to say that Croc was made to spote them for turning down a previous pitch, which I hadn't heard before.
Nintendo FUNDED development of key games... it is obvious that Argonaut Soft saw the Sony PlayStation and Sega Saturn using CD-ROM and attempted to get in on the 3d mascot EARLY...
In direct comparison and year of release, Croc utterly destroyed Bubsy 3D.
And to top it all off it was Croc that was on BOTH Sega Saturn and Sony PlayStation while Bubsy 3D was only on PlayStation and was utterly lackluster software filled with bugs and bad gameplay design.
The only problem with Croc is that it apparently didn't sell as much as what Nintendo 64 ROM Cartridge good games were selling which was millions to multi million copies...
Argonaut Soft staff calculated that by 1997 there would be a significant number of PS1s and SSs so their very nice and safe 3d platformer just didn't become this big thing it should have become like some of the also rans on 16 bit systems.
Ehh allegedly Croc managed to sell 3 million copies on Sony PlayStation so that is technically a resounding success for Argonaut Soft and Fox Studios however the Sega Saturn and PC version didn't sell as well... way to go Sony PlayStation for actually being a profitable platform for videogames back then...
However they made Croc 2 for PlayStation and PC and released in 1999 with no Sega Dreamcast version despite the claims that Dreamcast was way easier to dev for which is false because the devs had already made a Sega Saturn game and Dreamcast was brand new hardware that had no fully established install base so it's a huge risk to release games for only to watch them not sell.
My favorite part about Jez San's alleged meeting with Miyamoto is the fact that Miyamoto isn't fluent in English, so even if they did meet, I can't imagine a conversation between them being that complicated. I mean, discussing a prototype that might not have ever reached Miyamoto in the first place is one thing, but then discussing the royalties from the FX chip? Sounds a bit unbelievable to me.
I have nothing against the guy, but the inconsistency of his story and his claims, lead me to believe he's exaggerated the rejection so much that at this point he doesn't know what actually happened.
Jez San getting more confident over time that Nintendo stole the Yoshi Racers concept for Mario 64 isn't all that surprising if you read into research on eyewitness memory. People grow increasingly confident about their memories with repeated assessments at the cost of accuracy, meaning that the initial, unconfident report is typically a lot more reliable than the later, 100% certain one.
So Argonaut pitched some 3D games right when every developer in the world was pitching 3D games, and then a couple of years later they went “we was basically makin’ mario 64 governor!!!” Then the guy repeated it for thirty years and bam-rumor becomes legend
20:28 "We managed to track him down and shoot him.... a message" lmao I been watching too many crime dramas lately
“Nice of Candy to invite us over for a picnic, eh little buddy?”
“I hope she brought lots of bananas!”
K. Rool: "Yoooouuuuu've kiilllllled meeee!!"
@@GabePuratekuta Dixie: _Good._
"gay Diddy?"
Miyamoto didn't thank San. He thanked Tommy Tallarico for coming up with it.
His mother is very proud
No, he thanked Tallarico for coming up with Mario.
He was of course the first American ever working on a Mario game.
"We will call the game 'Yoshi Racers' instead of 'Yoshi Racing' for the remainder of the video."
20:00 "Yoshi Racing was real..."
The truck is under Mew
Didja know Doki Doki panic was originally released as a game called “Mario 2”
Did you know the United States got final fantasy vi while Japan lagged and released it as final fantasy iii
@@TheKingOfSpainEvery Mario fan knows that.
@@benmalsky9834 Didja know… Early versions of "Street Fighter II" included a mode called "Chef Fighter," where characters competed in cooking battles using their signature moves to chop and grill ingredients. The mode was replaced by the now-famous bonus stages like the car-smashing event.
@@TheKingOfSpain What are you doing?
wow, it's still facinating how much even from the 90s could have actually happened.
I played Congo Bongo once. It was a pain in the ass to not only jump across the river in the first level but dodge barrels.
PLOK is really underappreciated. They should have added a password system or saving feature however
Never finished Plok as a kid. Maybe I should try again now...
I still don't get why they didn't release Star Fox 2 originally as the N64 launch wasn't happening immediately, especially outside Japan.
Stiff competition from the PlayStation 1 and the cost of manufacturing the Super FX 2 chip likely played factors in them deciding against releasing Star Fox 2 on the SNES. Plus don't forget the N64 was originally slated to release in 1995 (the same year Star Fox 2), and that absolutely would have cannibalized the game's sales. They could have stood to lose _a lot_ of money if the game flopped, and the odds were stacked against it.
Ultimately Miyamoto felt it would be better to release a new Star Fox on the N64 instead, and to his credit he was right because Star Fox 64 is to this day one of the N64's most beloved games! It's very fortunate they still held on to Star Fox 2 for all those years and gave it a second chance on the SNES Mini and on NSO.
@@BlueAizu_ Didn't they release two mainline Kirby games after the console's successor was already out for a while? (Kirby's Adventure for NES 1993 and Dreamland 3 for SNES 1997)
Mew is under the truck
Only if you have a lvl 100 Machamp with Strength
I spent hours around the truck as a kid. There's nothing
@@MizterColeMinerOnly after beating the Elite 4 with a Lv. 100 Magikarp 25 times.
@@_Gilles_You clearly didn't spend enough hours around the truck, as Mew is indeed under the truck.
THE MEW TRUCK
THE MEW TRUCK IS REAL
7:28 I didn't know that MAD Magazine had an NES game!
And a Game Boy one, I think.
It's been 7 years since we saw the last 3d Mario game (not counting Bowser's Fury).
Makes me _wonder_ what Nintendo has in the works for their next launch title.
Probably something open world with how Bowsers Fury was.
7 years? But Mario Odyssey came out just... Oh. Oh no.
@@jimbob3332 I know, right!?
after watching this channel for so many years I am super happy with what it has turned into!
Supposedly on Twitter, Kev Bayliss refuted the reason for Krystal's redesign from Dinosaur Planet to Starfox Adventures... No idea if it's due to faulty memory over the decades or wires were crossed among the devs in Japan and the UK
Yeha I never bought that idea Nintendo stole the idea of a 3D platformer. As even if they gave inspiration they had to figure out how it actually worked and made it fun
Okay that donkey Kong one is pretty fascinating. What if it was going to be like the Game Boy game that came out in 1994? It probably wouldn't have been but it's a curious theory at least in my opinion
The Spy vs Spy game was incredible fun with 2 players. Single player was a bit meh.
Didn't some of the camera code from starfox 2 end up being used as a base for the camera code in Mario 64? In which case there would have been a link between Mario 64 and Argonaut, possibly the source of some of the confusion.
Software Creations eventually became Acclaim Manchester, and they made quite a lot of licensed tie-in games as well as porting games from other systems to the N64.
I love magazines starting rumors
Wow. So Donkey Kong could have become a famous RUclips Poop star!
did u know if u play smash melee in cruel melee for 500 hours you'll unlock sonic??? my friend told me. nobody outside of Nintendo knows about it, but his uncle works there
I can vouch for it. My dad's Mr. HAL.
I know most comments are about Yoshi Racers, but it's kind of a big deal to find out that there was only 1 canceled Mario Artist 64DD game!
But did Mario ever existed?
No one mentioning the Special Thanks to Marcus Morgan
Game Maker 64 DD = Game Builder Garage most likely.
It's always cool to here someone talk about my boy Croc!
Great video! Love the dedication in these!
I'm ready to hear about Mario 128 again
I think San is not a honest and reliable person. I think he comes off as a guy who's mad because things didn't go his way. I love these gaming mystery videos. Cool video. ^_^
I can actually believe that Sega Donkey Kong story since Sega actually distributed some of Nintendo's arcade games during the 70's in the west.
PLEASE do a video on Twisted Metal trivia!!
4:24 MARIO 64 BETA!!!
i sure hope that last one isn't tommy tallarico 2
His mother is very proud
2:40 Ohhh, are these the descriptions written like the editor was... hurt? (there was one that really said blah blah blah)
8:48 I wonder if the OTHER Donkey Kong game was gonna be Super Donkey.
DK for Phillips CD-i didn't exist. Never trust a "stay-at-home dad".
Argonaut made Vortex, which had platforming sections in it...
MAD Magazine?! Dude that’s so cool
Can you confirm or deny if my dad works at nintendo?
I miss him.
Starting to understand why monopolies exist. Good grief why were the early days of video game companies such a fucking spaghetti bowl?!
Clearly the live service garbage is superior!
@@waffleson45 I said I understand why the monopolies exist! I never said they were a good thing!
4:00 That's Radcliffe.
What's the song on the last couple seconds of the video?
Mario Artist Talent Studio - Gallery
Are you still in contact with Innagadadavida?
Do Princess Peach Showtime next!
I have been on the warpath for a while that there's a massive open world Mario game that has been in development since Odyssey came out, and will probably be a launch title for the Switch 2. For one, you can tell something is going on under tight wraps because of how loud the silence is, but they literally released a proof of concept side game in Bowser's Fury to show it off without explicitly announcing it.
Isn't Nintendo always silent about the new mainline Mario game? Seems like too little to go off of
But that's just another holdover as they hammer out more bugs in the NX.
Please do a video on the Marvel vs Capcom series
Awesome video!
I loved spy vs spy
1:27 Not really "games" persay. The game maker would be the only one with any actual gameplay but unlike say Garry's Mod or MUGEN (which I also do not consider to be games as stand-alone software but rather engines that games can be made with), it wouldn't have had been a main part of the engine but rather something you have to put together yourself.
thanks - do something on goldeneye beta!
Guys today I was walking around and I found a abandoned truck with a pink cat under it what should I do
Bring the cat to the lab.
Ok will do
I was thinking that Mario's Mission Earth would be here as well, but I guess nothing has ever come up of its existence in a while.
Also, the debunking of the Yoshi game means there is a possibility that it was Accolade who stole the idea for a 3D platformer... if Alpha Waves didn't already exist in 1990, but still.
The Mario 64 question is a moot point - the first 3d platformer is known and it's not on the N64.
IGN as a source?
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
The 64DD Mario artist games aren’t real, my life is a lie
BUT WHY WAS IT CALLED YOSHI RACERS IF IT WAS A 3D PLATFORMER???
Because the demo supposedly featured 2 Yoshis racing against each other. So a 3D platformer racing game, probably multiplayer…I guess?
Actually this is the first I'm finding out about the SNES CD-ROM.
I thought the Nintendo PlayStation was their only partnership and it fell apart because Sony wanted too much in royalties.
🤦🏾♂️
Uh... there is so much wrong in that statement, that it could take hours to unpack.
N64 had poor sales??
Yes. They weren't horrible, but they were kind of like the sales of Series X to PS5.
Are we done with AFK now? 🤣🤣
no
Did you know? My wife cheated on me with the N64 DD. She took the kids. Please answer my calls Brenda.
The L is real
Did Luigi said fuck in Mario golf?
Luigi actually said "Please enter your entire credit card number." But Nintendo made separate builds of the cartridge without the phrase in it. The original is now $10000 on eBay.
wahoo
Nintendo doesn't develop "games", they develop mechanics. *That's a loaded statement.*
And an objectively untrue one.
hey did you know gaming
HOW ABOUT A VIDEO ON LIVE A LIVE!
They technically posted one already
@@lrgogo1517 that the outdated region locked video they did where they "say" the game would never get a american release!
😯😯😯😯😯
Do sarcastic coments in a documentary is always out of place.
It's the new RUclipsr trend, be a comedian first, informative second and the fan base eats it up
What the sigma
The Drum roll is a completely obnoxious and unnecessary sound effect, christ, fire your editor.
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup, none of DYKG's videos contain anything that hasn't been yet discovered now
It's funny because you're completly wrong. They've been giving out a LOT of completely exclusive information over the last year.
@@thenightstar8312 Wut
@@mariomuncher44 including complete new games or lost prototypes
Are you guys just running out of content?
Are you running out of things to comment?
Uhh no? What even began to make you think that?
Translation: "I don't care for the content this channel has moved toward, so I'm going to disguise my frustration as exasperation at a "lack" of content."
This Dylan guy really put pronouns in his name 😂😂😂
So?
@@PrinceVegetaBriefso it’s gay
The way you say "DK" gives me an aneurysm.
Mario: *Is a platformer series*
Nintendo: *Developing a 3D console*
Super Mario 64: *Is a 3D platformer for N64*
Jez San: "No, no... This whole thing, ALL of this... It's all about me"
He had a PhD in Trustmebrology.
San's ever-changing story is reminding me of a certain "first american to ever work on a Sonic game"
Hey, if you're going to do the "give us a few seconds to guess" thing, you really need to adjust the captions to match. Every time it happens in this video, the captions show "so is it real? [drumroll] Yes", all on screen at the same time.
Turn off spoilers then.
@@wavemasterxyra1630 You do realize some people don't have the option to not use subtitles, right
Everything isn't for everyone then. Can't make the whole world bend for everyones needs @@blivveries
@@blivveries Deaf people can't see the subtitles anyway.
@@RootVegetabIe u right
RSP making a Donkey Kong game is almost as crazy as DMA Design making a Kirby game.
Rockstar? Gta???
@@kirby-y9k Yes, they were going to make a Kirby game called Kid Kirby. Makes more sense when you realize they were also the creators of Lemmings
Now I wanna see DK or one of the other Kongs as a parking attendant 😂
That idea remined me of something that _does_ exist. Waku Waku Sonic Patrol Car,
a 1991 ride with game visuals. And yes, Sonic's a police officer in it
@@RadikAlice oh yeah, THAT game
I thought when they said Miyamoto stole their Yoshi game it was because they pitched Croc(but with Yoshi)
I think Mario 64 was the similar thing in development when they rejected Croc/Yoshi
Guys I gotta say, I love this new style that you have been doing now for a few years. Keep the absolutely amazing work!
I hope that we will get an episode on Metroid Fusions (Metroid IV) development one day
"Of course not...no company would hand away the development rights to their best-selling franchise so haphazardly."
CD-i: *exists*
Right? What an odd thing to say considering the subject matter...
Fellow YTP artists, its time to draw CDI Donkey Kong animations
18:53 Memory and personal basis is why I don't fully believe Ron Wasserman who's known for composing for the first Saban era of Power Rangers when he claimed to me at Power Miorphicon that Haim Saban and Shuki Levi never composed anything themselves.
Wasserman never even remembered exactly which songs for Dragon Ball Z he went uncredited by Saban for but that whole thing I do mostly believe because I wouldn't put it past corporate executives to do such a thing and Haim certainly has a storied history as an executive. Not a particularly bad one by all regards but hardly squeaky clean. Stuff like staking Digimon's future in the west, his own Saban Entertainment and somehow the Fox Kids block and the entire Fox Family channel on Digimon beating Pokemon in popularity. Also censoring DBZ to get it on syndicated TV, which Funimation didn't care much for (all the edits Saban were making were expensive as heck) and dropped them as a distributor, thus ending the original Ocean Dub.
Great journalism as always
in terms of games that seem like rumors, there was some sort of mario game on PC (most likely a bootleg) that i played in the early 2000s it was janky but interesting in the fact it was kind of an isometric RPG type game which features peach, toad, and bowser all in the first part of the first level. never managed to get anywhere to figure out how to play it but it was interesting just because it happened to be on PC and looked pretty good.
pretty sure it was wiped from existence as no one has information about it and it being on PC via download means it was a bootleg or some kind of accidental demo release for something because the game had so many weird things going on that it may not have even been finished or meant to be played.
also played some kind of game found on a floppy disk which took place in a black room with two pentagonal platforms and a rope between them the player character (dinosaur or bipedal dragon) had to jump on to try to get to the other side but i was so young i couldn't actually do that and the disk was lost afterward so i never learned the name or if it was a full game or not.
100k views and 4k likes is criminal. These people put so much work into these awesome videos. Their contribution to the historic gaming community is incalculable.
"Somehow, Sega got the rights to Donkey Kong" has exactly the same energy as "Somehow, Palpatine returned"
RUclipsrs could've been called "VJ"s if this stuff had come out.
Software Creations
The creators of Plok
I thought i heard a rumor that Miyamoto was inspired to make a 3d platformer for Mario by Star Fox 2's transforming Arwing concepts
Why are people saying that mews under the truck, did they say an obvious fact pr something.
Hadoken!
20:45 They are all so young looking!!!