I have watched hundreds of bowling videos, including any targeting videos I could find. I've been bowling for 60 years, and I think this is the most practical starting video for targeting to the breakpoint that I've seen. Great job!
I really needed to hear this. I've been throwing straight up 10 for 90% of my time as a bowler. After finally figuring out how to increase my revs from ~180 to now ~350 rpm, I have been struggling bad with targeting and alignment. Excellent advice, I'll be taking it with me to my next practice session.
Your math is not correct, it considers that your breakpoint is 15 feet from the arrows, that is 30 feet. Lane is 60 feet from foul line to the 1 pin, if we consider the breakpoint to be at 45' then the distance from the arrows to the breakpoint is 30' and the distance from the foul line to the arrows is 15' that is half of 45'. So if you want your breakpoint to be at the 10th board and the ball is at the 20th board at the arrows, that means that the laydown point is going to be half the difference, that is 20 plus 5 (half of 10) so it is 25 not 30 as you state, plus 5 you have to slide at 30 not 35. What am I missing is there some kind of compensation of 5 boards because of the ball reaction or how you came to the conclusion that the break point is at the same distance from the arrows as the arrows are from the foul line?
You are correct. His math is off. Also there is no way the slide and laydown can only be 5 boards. You will hit your ankle with the ball everytime. The standard is about 7-8 boards. This give it enough room to clear the ankle but also keep the ball close enough to get leverage and power
@@dankruy3736 It can be 5 boards, in fact that's what the Kegel Training Center advises, also the ITRC and other coaches like Jim Merrell or Joe Slowinski. If you go to minute 5:08 of this video and count the boards you'll se there are 5 and there's still space between the ball and the ankle.
@@BowlingForCandy No it is not, it might be more about the direction of his last step, maybe he drifts a little more to the right in the last step than normal. You could send me a video of his just to watch and recommend.
I've found that when my ball rolls around board 7 to 9 at the 40 foot distance I can consistently get to the pocket. When using a relatively weak ball like a Hustle or similar, I find good success by standing about on board 24 with my feet and target board 8 at the 40 foot point. With stronger reactive balls, I'll move to the left with my feet out to board 26 to 29 and find success continuing to target board 8 to 40 feet. Not much calculation, just judgement calls based upon the ball I'm using. If the ball starts to dig in too much, I can decide to either move farther left with my feet or perhaps change my speed a little bit. Thanks for your great video...
I’m going to try both where from the example given the 20-10 = 10 and then you add it back to the 20 board arrow location to get a laydown point at the 30 board and also 20-10 = 10 and take half of the difference which is five and add that to 20 to get a 25 board laydown point to see which works. When I’m rolling correctly and am within my body frame (not chicken winging it or falling off the shot) I am really close to my ankle and it looks like I’m about five or four boards away from where the edge of my slide foot is, so it will be an interesting practice for me to see what works.
a strait roll agaist the middle-pole with 50% of the ball and the rest on the left or the right of the middle-pole .leftside if one are a left-hand-bowler and rightside if one are a right-hand-bowler. spinn is not needed . this is for the first roll of the ball .aim on the strikepocket with a straitroll . it worked well for me .
Oh my God, thank you so much for this information. Lately, I've been having some trouble finding the pocket this video will help me so much thank you I appreciate it. 🙏
Thank you so much... this is what my problem is.. You solved it.. Because I grew up old school I keep walking to my target and not able to play in n out...only straight up...Thank you Thank you Thank you...I have one question to play the inside shot alligment do you have to have ball rev.. to do this... I am a ball speed dominate????and thank you again
Great video! The ball that Benjy threw in the end went a tad high. What would be the proper way to adjust for that? I would assume you would move to the left your slide point and/or your arrows to keep the same break point of 10?
I actually could never hit the ten pin. Gutter ball gutter ball gutter ball, miss left miss left miss left. Then I changed my alignment. I went from 50 percent to almost 90 percent according to lanetalk. What a great vid.
Does it make a difference if you use the dots just a few feet onto the lane? Could you use those points or would you have to trace a line from those points to the breakpoint and figure out which board that would cross at the arrows to do the method shared here? This is very good and something I wasn’t sure about myself, thanks!
When you use the dots just a few feet on to the lane, it does change things because changes at those dots leads to more extreme differences down the lane because of how much closer it is to the release point. So if you decide to use the dots to look at when making your shot, it may be worth it to practice using the arrows to make your alignment and then draw the line like you mentioned to get your spot at the dots.
Very good video! The alignment system you are teaching is called "Target Lines" often commonly refer to as "Parallel Lines". This is a mathematical approach to lining up targets first present by Bill Taylor one of the greatest mechanical engineers of bowling back in the 70's. You have presented 3/4 of the entire process please make an additional video to finish the remainder of the alignment system the "Approach Sequence" otherwise, Great Job!
Alignment is definitely important for intermediate or advanced bowlers, but for beginners, and I say this as a relative beginner, getting your release consistent is kind of the primary focus. For me, every shot is basically crapshoot: my thumb might come out early, so I miss my mark way right, or I grab it and miss way left, or i hit my mark, but I came up the back of the ball, so it only moves like 2 boards, or I get my hand around it too much and it moves like 15 boards. When your shots are that inconvenient, alignment isn't really the primary concern.
I agree. If you can't hit your target and have a semi-consistent ball reaction, it doesn't really matter much. If so, you should look at things like your approach, and where you end up sliding and releasing the ball, hand position, swing and ball release/hand position, and even ball adjustment (especially the thumb). I found practicing my release with an American football was really helpful, throwing the ball back and forth to a buddy underhand.
Can you guys to another video on proper targeting? You mentioned 20-10 & 15-5, but are those just general target areas on a house shot? How did you find your breakpoint? So on and so forth
The board where the ball exits the pattern is more important than your break point from my understanding. To have the most miss room, you should use the 31 rule to determine the exit point. If the pattern is 40 feet, you should exit the pattern at 40-31=9. How you get there depends on your rev rate, ball, ball speed etc, but your break point may be outside 9 depending on shape the ball takes. Hope that makes sense.
I think my problem is that when I try to open up my angles, the swing needs to be different. If I push the ball towards the arrow or break point I'm aiming at, I will miss inside, since the angles are different from the starting position to the foul line. This is not a problem when you have shallow angles. How do you compensate for that?
i'm guilty of this because I get it wrong alot and I can feel myself trying to correct it with my hand and arm at the line. this is really gonna help, thnx.
Hey, it depends on the length of the oil pattern. Look up the "Rule of 31" - although, it's merely a guideline, it will help you estimate where your ball should be exiting the breakpoint.
Yes, I agree. Break point and exit point are especially important to understand, especially on shorter oil patterns. I'm not sure, but I think they are mixing up break point and exit point in this video a little.
I wonder sometimes if alignment the way you throw matters , I saw saw someone in my league with the worst alignment and throw but still managed to bowl a 180-200 .
The only issue I have is not everyone, including myself, looks at the arrows. I look solely at the break point. Theory being if the ball breaks at the same point every time then only a minor adjustment is need with your feet for the over/under.
i think i drift also so i have to figure that out and i'm lefthanded so i have to turn it all around. i've always counted the boards left to right for my perspective.
Would have rather seen this video using different spare shots. Plus, being elderly, cant drop ball at foot…its out right farther….how do you adjust for that?
This is a well made video, but a simplification of the equation of alignment. And another simplification about where to slide in relation to laydown point. You mention 5 boards, but that is what is known as "personal number" and it is not 5 for everyone.
I don't think it is an issue and hasn't been since I last bowled 30 years ago.The problems I faced and saw others was footing/thumb hole and only owning one ball.Consistency was because most people only bowled one day a week 3 games which is a far cry from pro bowlers that bowl more games in one week than most in a year. I also doubt many bowlers play other sports so up in Canada we play a LOT of hockey as well pretty much any otehr sport known to man so sometimes I even missed a week meaning I went 2 weeks without bowling a game so yeah tough to remain consistent.I was still able to hover around a 200 avg in a handicap league which means I likely could have been closer to 205-210 if I really tried every shot. To put it in perspective the top Canadian bowler at that time who also finished 6th at the worlds had anywhere from a 170-185 avg so yeah handicap leagues are a bit of BS.
I can't align on my lanes because they keep lights on low all the time. I literally can't see the arrows well enough most of the shots. Bowlero, are you listening..
Is the formula always going to be... arrows - breakpoint + 10 (lay down) + 5 (sliding)? What if I was playing straight down 5 board, my lay down would be 10 and sliding at 15. It seems a big angle for throwing it straight doesn't it?
I'm trying to do the math too, and I'm a bit lost. But I do know when I"m trying to hit the first arrow, I'm standing on 14 or 15 depending on which ball is in my hand.
It works. My typical THS on league night where I'm bowling for score (had just 1 makeable open this week across 3 games) is aiming at breakpoint of 10 down lane, and I aim at the dots before the arrows which is around board 9. I'm assuming it hits around 9 at the arrows then. 10+9 = 19. I don't use 5 boards of room for starting point, usually just 1 or 2 boards. I usually stand at 21 or 22 board most of the night.
There is no magic formula. You just need to practice and understand where you need to be to hit your alignment targets. If you are trying to play "straight down 5 board", your lay down would be 5
I thought you were gonna say the important thing about alignment is keeping your hips and shoulders aligned with your target regardless of where your target is at.
Too much math for me. I target where I lay the ball down to where the break point is. I have no idea where my feet are or where my ball goes across the arrows because those points dont matter.. If I lay the ball down the same place, it should go where the last shot went until the lanes transition.
Except NO ONE tells you to just throw up 10. EVERYONE tells you parallel moves. 2 feet, 1 board. And Im old. Sod off. Bad content. Just for hits and clicks.
Your break point doesn’t change unless you really need it to, regardless if I’m moving left two and one with my eyes the math still keeps the break point the same the difference is I have a different spot at the arrows which would mean you would slide left of your previous spot 2 to 1 works well as a beginning method but certain patterns are going to make you open up or close your angle more than simply two to one
@@brandonparker119 m8, what are ya on about me son??? I actually went back and read what I wrote for once, and I never typed anything about break points. Please respond what the scooby doo you're on about. Thanks me son.
Show the windmill style. I'd like to see a 300 done with all 12 strikes with the WindMill style. I seen the last ball thrown for a 300 as the WindMill here on RUclips.
I have watched hundreds of bowling videos, including any targeting videos I could find. I've been bowling for 60 years, and I think this is the most practical starting video for targeting to the breakpoint that I've seen. Great job!
This is excellent content! Should be required viewing for every bowler.
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I agree most bowlers don't know how to line up.
Nothing should be required!
I really needed to hear this. I've been throwing straight up 10 for 90% of my time as a bowler. After finally figuring out how to increase my revs from ~180 to now ~350 rpm, I have been struggling bad with targeting and alignment. Excellent advice, I'll be taking it with me to my next practice session.
Glad this tip helped!!
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This is an awesome video. I LOVED how you guys broke down the concept of alignment. We'll done!!!
Out of all my years of being a self taught RUclips bowler, this is the first time I’ve seen alignment explained and displayed. Kudos
Great explanation of breakpoint, arrows and sliding point👏👏👏👏
I do everything you said wrong about bad alignments and have every issue you said that comes with it! I needed this video!!!
Happy this was helpful!! Keep practicing it and it will continue to improve.
Great video! This is a very big problem for me. Thank you for the content and tips! I’ll have to practice this before my next league night.
Let us know how it goes!!
How do you decide which arrow you should be targeting?
Very clear and well explained. But can I do it without getting completely confused on the lane?
They’re in lies the “rub” of it all. Knowing is one thing but can that knowledge be put into practice? That’s the million dollar question! 😁
Your math is not correct, it considers that your breakpoint is 15 feet from the arrows, that is 30 feet. Lane is 60 feet from foul line to the 1 pin, if we consider the breakpoint to be at 45' then the distance from the arrows to the breakpoint is 30' and the distance from the foul line to the arrows is 15' that is half of 45'. So if you want your breakpoint to be at the 10th board and the ball is at the 20th board at the arrows, that means that the laydown point is going to be half the difference, that is 20 plus 5 (half of 10) so it is 25 not 30 as you state, plus 5 you have to slide at 30 not 35. What am I missing is there some kind of compensation of 5 boards because of the ball reaction or how you came to the conclusion that the break point is at the same distance from the arrows as the arrows are from the foul line?
You are correct. His math is off. Also there is no way the slide and laydown can only be 5 boards. You will hit your ankle with the ball everytime. The standard is about 7-8 boards. This give it enough room to clear the ankle but also keep the ball close enough to get leverage and power
@@dankruy3736 It can be 5 boards, in fact that's what the Kegel Training Center advises, also the ITRC and other coaches like Jim Merrell or Joe Slowinski. If you go to minute 5:08 of this video and count the boards you'll se there are 5 and there's still space between the ball and the ankle.
@@dankruy3736is this why my son Hits his ankle all the time? Interesting
@@BowlingForCandy No it is not, it might be more about the direction of his last step, maybe he drifts a little more to the right in the last step than normal. You could send me a video of his just to watch and recommend.
@@dankruy3736this. That’s why people lob the ball so many times
I've found that when my ball rolls around board 7 to 9 at the 40 foot distance I can consistently get to the pocket. When using a relatively weak ball like a Hustle or similar, I find good success by standing about on board 24 with my feet and target board 8 at the 40 foot point. With stronger reactive balls, I'll move to the left with my feet out to board 26 to 29 and find success continuing to target board 8 to 40 feet. Not much calculation, just judgement calls based upon the ball I'm using. If the ball starts to dig in too much, I can decide to either move farther left with my feet or perhaps change my speed a little bit. Thanks for your great video...
Useful video, I wasted tons of practices sessions making exactly that mistake, cheers mate
Glad it helped!!
I’m going to try both where from the example given the 20-10 = 10 and then you add it back to the 20 board arrow location to get a laydown point at the 30 board and also 20-10 = 10 and take half of the difference which is five and add that to 20 to get a 25 board laydown point to see which works. When I’m rolling correctly and am within my body frame (not chicken winging it or falling off the shot) I am really close to my ankle and it looks like I’m about five or four boards away from where the edge of my slide foot is, so it will be an interesting practice for me to see what works.
a strait roll agaist the middle-pole with 50% of the ball and the rest on the left or the right of the middle-pole .leftside if one are a left-hand-bowler and rightside if one are a right-hand-bowler. spinn is not needed . this is for the first roll of the ball .aim on the strikepocket with a straitroll . it worked well for me .
Thanks from Italy, this is precisely the video I needed. I am a random bowler, precision is my great flaw.
Happy you enjoyed the tip!
Oh my God, thank you so much for this information. Lately, I've been having some trouble finding the pocket this video will help me so much thank you I appreciate it. 🙏
This is an amazing video! It helps me to verify my target system which I find through trial and error. Thank you.
You got it! Thanks for watching!!
What is the typical break pour for a house shot? Or are they all different?
Thank you so much... this is what my problem is.. You solved it.. Because I grew up old school I keep walking to my target and not able to play in n out...only straight up...Thank you Thank you Thank you...I have one question to play the inside shot alligment do you have to have ball rev.. to do this... I am a ball speed dominate????and thank you again
This is what i always looking for, thank you
Happy to help!
Great video! The ball that Benjy threw in the end went a tad high. What would be the proper way to adjust for that? I would assume you would move to the left your slide point and/or your arrows to keep the same break point of 10?
I actually could never hit the ten pin. Gutter ball gutter ball gutter ball, miss left miss left miss left. Then I changed my alignment. I went from 50 percent to almost 90 percent according to lanetalk. What a great vid.
Does it make a difference if you use the dots just a few feet onto the lane? Could you use those points or would you have to trace a line from those points to the breakpoint and figure out which board that would cross at the arrows to do the method shared here? This is very good and something I wasn’t sure about myself, thanks!
When you use the dots just a few feet on to the lane, it does change things because changes at those dots leads to more extreme differences down the lane because of how much closer it is to the release point. So if you decide to use the dots to look at when making your shot, it may be worth it to practice using the arrows to make your alignment and then draw the line like you mentioned to get your spot at the dots.
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Loved this video and its content. Keep up the good work 👏
Very good video! The alignment system you are teaching is called "Target Lines" often commonly refer to as "Parallel Lines". This is a mathematical approach to lining up targets first present by Bill Taylor one of the greatest mechanical engineers of bowling back in the 70's. You have presented 3/4 of the entire process please make an additional video to finish the remainder of the alignment system the "Approach Sequence" otherwise, Great Job!
Yeah, but the math is not correct
this is really good for a strike ball but could you do a video like this on how to line up to throw a straight ball like in spare shooting? thnx.
Where is the number 1 board, left or right?
Thank you!
How do I find a bowling coach in NJ?
Great video!
Alignment is definitely important for intermediate or advanced bowlers, but for beginners, and I say this as a relative beginner, getting your release consistent is kind of the primary focus. For me, every shot is basically crapshoot: my thumb might come out early, so I miss my mark way right, or I grab it and miss way left, or i hit my mark, but I came up the back of the ball, so it only moves like 2 boards, or I get my hand around it too much and it moves like 15 boards. When your shots are that inconvenient, alignment isn't really the primary concern.
I agree. If you can't hit your target and have a semi-consistent ball reaction, it doesn't really matter much. If so, you should look at things like your approach, and where you end up sliding and releasing the ball, hand position, swing and ball release/hand position, and even ball adjustment (especially the thumb). I found practicing my release with an American football was really helpful, throwing the ball back and forth to a buddy underhand.
how about straight ball or straight line? hooking alittle bit.
Can you guys to another video on proper targeting? You mentioned 20-10 & 15-5, but are those just general target areas on a house shot? How did you find your breakpoint? So on and so forth
The board where the ball exits the pattern is more important than your break point from my understanding. To have the most miss room, you should use the 31 rule to determine the exit point. If the pattern is 40 feet, you should exit the pattern at 40-31=9. How you get there depends on your rev rate, ball, ball speed etc, but your break point may be outside 9 depending on shape the ball takes. Hope that makes sense.
I think my problem is that when I try to open up my angles, the swing needs to be different. If I push the ball towards the arrow or break point I'm aiming at, I will miss inside, since the angles are different from the starting position to the foul line. This is not a problem when you have shallow angles. How do you compensate for that?
Hi, can you show me bowling on 46ft or heavy oil lanes?
Please
Great.... now I need to make room for a calculator in my bag.....
😂😂😂😂😂
No you don't. The device you're complaining on has a calculator app already installed on it.
i'm guilty of this because I get it wrong alot and I can feel myself trying to correct it with my hand and arm at the line. this is really gonna help, thnx.
How about a person that doesn’t slide. ?I know when I get to the third game I have to move 5 boards or look further down the lane to adjust.
How do you choose break point board number? You mentioned 5 and 10.
Hey, it depends on the length of the oil pattern. Look up the "Rule of 31" - although, it's merely a guideline, it will help you estimate where your ball should be exiting the breakpoint.
If my forearm and bicep is sore after a bowling session.. what am I doing wrong ? It has been 9 years since I bowl tho
I am very new to bowling. I’m assuming there is a video that explains the very basics? Terminology?
Yes, I agree. Break point and exit point are especially important to understand, especially on shorter oil patterns. I'm not sure, but I think they are mixing up break point and exit point in this video a little.
I wonder sometimes if alignment the way you throw matters , I saw saw someone in my league with the worst alignment and throw but still managed to bowl a 180-200 .
lol what if you’re a wide load. Does my lay down point to sliding point widen?
I just started bowling, and don't what thius s all about. Is there a tutorial on this topic?
The only issue I have is not everyone, including myself, looks at the arrows. I look solely at the break point. Theory being if the ball breaks at the same point every time then only a minor adjustment is need with your feet for the over/under.
I don't understand what you mean by drifting left on the approach. Doesn't drifting defeat the purpose?
i think i drift also so i have to figure that out and i'm lefthanded so i have to turn it all around. i've always counted the boards left to right for my perspective.
10 35 5 25 to many numbers need a simple way to throw ball for better results
They're simple multiples of five. Are the different ball weights and oil pattern situations too difficult to understand too?
Would have rather seen this video using different spare shots. Plus, being elderly, cant drop ball at foot…its out right farther….how do you adjust for that?
This is a well made video, but a simplification of the equation of alignment. And another simplification about where to slide in relation to laydown point. You mention 5 boards, but that is what is known as "personal number" and it is not 5 for everyone.
I don't think it is an issue and hasn't been since I last bowled 30 years ago.The problems I faced and saw others was footing/thumb hole and only owning one ball.Consistency was because most people only bowled one day a week 3 games which is a far cry from pro bowlers that bowl more games in one week than most in a year.
I also doubt many bowlers play other sports so up in Canada we play a LOT of hockey as well pretty much any otehr sport known to man so sometimes I even missed a week meaning I went 2 weeks without bowling a game so yeah tough to remain consistent.I was still able to hover around a 200 avg in a handicap league which means I likely could have been closer to 205-210 if I really tried every shot.
To put it in perspective the top Canadian bowler at that time who also finished 6th at the worlds had anywhere from a 170-185 avg so yeah handicap leagues are a bit of BS.
one walk 3 or 5 steps before one release the ball .
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I can't align on my lanes because they keep lights on low all the time. I literally can't see the arrows well enough most of the shots. Bowlero, are you listening..
😂 I know this is true
Is the formula always going to be... arrows - breakpoint + 10 (lay down) + 5 (sliding)? What if I was playing straight down 5 board, my lay down would be 10 and sliding at 15. It seems a big angle for throwing it straight doesn't it?
I'm trying to do the math too, and I'm a bit lost. But I do know when I"m trying to hit the first arrow, I'm standing on 14 or 15 depending on which ball is in my hand.
It works. My typical THS on league night where I'm bowling for score (had just 1 makeable open this week across 3 games) is aiming at breakpoint of 10 down lane, and I aim at the dots before the arrows which is around board 9. I'm assuming it hits around 9 at the arrows then. 10+9 = 19. I don't use 5 boards of room for starting point, usually just 1 or 2 boards. I usually stand at 21 or 22 board most of the night.
There is no magic formula. You just need to practice and understand where you need to be to hit your alignment targets.
If you are trying to play "straight down 5 board", your lay down would be 5
@@rb8999 if your lay down board is five, what is your slide board?
@@JustIncredibleRob I am guessing 10 board since it's + 5 boards from your laydown.
I thought you were gonna say the important thing about alignment is keeping your hips and shoulders aligned with your target regardless of where your target is at.
Thought you were going to me plain angling correction from the beginning. Meaning the feet and hips and then armswing. Good video though.
I’m color blind and have trouble separating the boards, also I have zero depth perception 🤷♂️
very complicated😢😢😢
“Yeah, science!”
Magnets, b****h! 😂
Take Benji example from above video, shall my body project to arrow 20?
Uh oh, telling people NOT to throw straight up 10 will certainly trigger house mouses.
Too much math for me. I target where I lay the ball down to where the break point is. I have no idea where my feet are or where my ball goes across the arrows because those points dont matter.. If I lay the ball down the same place, it should go where the last shot went until the lanes transition.
dude in the back bowling at the end didn't even try lol
Gutter ball lol!
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Just teach the kegal training system and be done with it
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Except NO ONE tells you to just throw up 10. EVERYONE tells you parallel moves. 2 feet, 1 board. And Im old. Sod off. Bad content. Just for hits and clicks.
Your break point doesn’t change unless you really need it to, regardless if I’m moving left two and one with my eyes the math still keeps the break point the same the difference is I have a different spot at the arrows which would mean you would slide left of your previous spot 2 to 1 works well as a beginning method but certain patterns are going to make you open up or close your angle more than simply two to one
@@brandonparker119 m8, what are ya on about me son??? I actually went back and read what I wrote for once, and I never typed anything about break points. Please respond what the scooby doo you're on about. Thanks me son.
Show the windmill style. I'd like to see a 300 done with all 12 strikes with the WindMill style. I seen the last ball thrown for a 300 as the WindMill here on RUclips.