You are absolutely right, the time has come for us film collectors to do everything we can to ensure that physical media remains a part of the future because there is nothing better than holding something physical in your hands or pulling it off the shelf. But another crucial point is that there are also playback devices for us because without them the collection is worthless.
@4:26 With DRM, even physical copies turn into paperweights. In case of MMORPGs like Monster Hunter Frontier G the only thing you preserve is a useless chunk of data and memories of a long gone era. Unless you can hack the console and use day 1 assets to connect to a private server that is part of an enthusiast project.
As a physical media purist i was hit with some sad news yesterday. Went to my local Target to get groceries ect. I always swing by the electronics section and i was thinking about picking up Inside Out 2 on blu ray to my shock the entire movie section was just gone. No kiosks, no bookends NOTHING. They didnt even have a courtesy to put up a note weeks prior so their shoppers would be made aware of have a sale its just suddenly poof gone. Going to check out walmart today now being the one and only place left in my radius that carries new release. I knew big box stores were planning on downsizing but its all just gone, what was a regular part of my weekly shopping routine is a thing of the past, just sad😢
I'm a little annoyed that they will not follow the same model that music is. Where you buy a copy of the stuff, and you can download it without the DRM. There are even higher-quality downloads available that are the same as what you could get on a CD, SACD, DVD-A. Not sure why the movie industry won't follow the same model. I think physical will stick around but only for as long as Sony and Panasonic choose to keep making the players. After that, stuff will jump up in price unless boutiques are willing to step in and offer something affordable and decent. The same thing happened with vinyl and CDs.
Disney plus pulled Togo a few days ago. One of my favorite recent films. With no official physical media release the movie is now essentially wiped off the face of the earth. Really bummed me out.
I also hate the fact that films can be edited without notice. Also all directors I have heard talk about streaming vs physical media they extremely recommend the Blu Ray or 4K.
The only digital games I own on Xbox were free when they gave away games with gold. The only digital games I own on PS4 were bought using a PS store gift card my brother in law gave me, so in my mind they’re free 🤷♂️ The only digital movies I own came free with the blu-ray/dvd I bought. Basically what I’m saying is I do NOT buy digital anything. I want physical media until I die.
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the costs of physical media too. It seems like the prices keep going up. I try to rent/copy stuff at the library to save on costs but sometimes you can't get or find things. And for OOP discs, sometimes you're paying $50+ for a single film. At least with Blu-rays. Often DVDs can be cheaper and still offer an enjoyable presentation.
remember some games we dont own psychical look at call of duty 2019 and mw2 and mw3 all are just keys also same with halo infinete the game is just a key we cannot play offline . majoraty of games on disc are just keys i continue too buy disc though regardless if some just keys
I wouldn't be surprised if used copies of HZD went up on eBay. Besides the fact hzd DOES NOT NEED REMASTERED it's unfortunate. Hell just a month ago I revisited it on the PS4 it was great never once did I think it needs remastered or remake. Well it's a shame if no one who played it and wants to now.... I would just wait it's highway robbery now. Or the Concord tax.
Well of course. The reason they want to do this is the same reason Sony tried to shut down the used CD market years ago. They want a total monopoly so that they can raise prices. Once the digital route is your only option, they will make it so all the purchase terms are favorable to them, they'll raise prices and they'll have the ability to remove it but keep your money. It's a joke really. It's sad how bad consumer protections are in the US.
I’ve heard of their war on emulators, and I agree, they need to stop that, but I love being able to pop on a cartridge and play instantly, while it’s not every game, as I mentioned, Mario Odyssey and Zelda did not require any patches to play.
Nintendo does release revised cartridges of their games with patches and sometimes even DLC on them. If they are ‘an enemy of physical media’ why should they even bother doing this?
@@MaI2Me google : nintendo is not your friend...they are to videogames the prostreaming - pro-rebuy the same game,nintendo is the "we own your footage of our game" company...educate yourself before defending nintendo again. I AM THEIR FAN so i bash their sins
but nintendo also releases games on cartridges that are almost empty and need a massive download like mgs collection or hogwarts legacy that's even worse than a code or digital copy
The games you mentioned are not first party Nintendo games. In fact, Nintendo does release revised cartridges with updated, complete versions of the games on them.
Unless you're doing something like film or vinyl, physical media does not matter, because physical media--your CDs, your DVDs, your Blurays, your 4ks--is also digital. A game on Bluray that you need access to Sony's servers to run is just as vulnerable to deletion (actually, more so) as an Amazon Prime download. The physicality does not matter (technically, everything is physical as the data needs to be stored somewhere). What matters is local independence of the data. My itunes purchases are as much mine as my 4k discs. Even if Apple wanted to delete my library, it couldn't because not a single file I downloaded from them is dependent upon or even accessible by their servers. They are mine, and if I really wanted to I could take those files, burn them to a writeable disc, print out an insert, shove that all into a jewel case, and like magic I have a music CD. Even with a movie downloaded from Amazon Prime, there are annoying ways to rip it off the service and make it mine. That PS5 game disc, meanwhile, you're just screwed when the servers go down. Physical doesn't mean anything.
Firstly, if you purchase movies via a platform like ITunes, they will need to verify your license periodically, thus you need internet connection for your collection to work. Also disk based games do not require internet, on the disk is a version 1.0 of the game, yes it may be in a broken state, but the game is still present and can be played offline should you choose to, it doesn’t require Sony servers to do so, unless of course it’s an online game like Fortnite or COD, then in which case, you’re right, Sony servers will need to be on for you to play those games. Also if you think your iTunes collection is as much yours as a 4k disk, try loaning it to a friend, or transferring ownership to someone else (selling it), you don’t own nothing with digital, you’re leasing it, and your collection can and will be taken if the platform deems it so, you get the illusion of ownership on digital.
@@JamieToomeyPresents Firstly, you completely missed the point with your "firstly." I will repeat: there are ways, annoying though they may be, to completely rip media off of the service that you purchased them from. iTunes can't phone home to verify a license of a file it no longer has access to, especially a file on a device that doesn't touch iTunes or any Apple software at all. That would require magic. Plus, my example for iTunes was music. They don't even bother with DRM for that. Breaking iTunes's hold is as simple as dragging and dropping. Second, disc-based games MAY require the internet. Some do for their anti-cheat alone. Spore famously required internet access just for activation. If you think it's just for multiplayer, you haven't been paying attention. Also, for fun, look up DIVX (the physical media format, not to be confused with DivX the file format). Third, I can loan my digital copies really easily as I run a Plex server. If someone wants to see my movies and music, I can set them up with an account to my personal Netflix. What platform is going to take my collection? The most Plex can do is stop working, and then I open up Jellyfin and run from there, but none of those services actually holds my data. My NAS holds my data, as do my backups. Those services merely give me ready access with a nice GUI. You have to send in a squad of ninjas, and in that case, you can take out my 4k collection right along with it.
@@jimschuler8830 Jamie is not talking about and is excluding piracy and downloaded files; you're coming at it from different angles. Your iTunes purchases are licenses. While you may have circumvented by ripping out digital file copies, the purchases are still licenses. You've ultimately only used the iTunes purchases, along with other software, as the method of obtainment, instead of an illegal downloading site, and do not "own" the original iTunes source, but instead own a copy of it. The license may be taken away, but yes, your files wouldn't be taken away. Same ideas apply to a Plex server. You're talking about sharing actual copies of local files, Jamie is talking about licenses, which usually cannot be gifted to another account on any given streaming service. And yeah, the disc(s) containing the full game isn't usually true for a lot of modern games, and it isn't a new issue either. I believe he's mentioned it in a video before over the past few months.
@@blubahub "Your iTunes purchases are licenses." So, too, are your physical disc purchases. Yeah, sure, you own the packaging, but the data on that package is licensed. And I'm sorry, what "other software" did I use with an iTunes music download? That seems to be a thing neither of you want to address. You want to talk about piracy? Well, in that case I'd argue you own iTunes music downloads more than you own a 4k disc. Because you can make copies for yourself and play them on whatever you want: on your computer, your phone, your car, your CD player, your cassette player. Meanwhile, your DVDs, your Blurays, your 4k, are all protected by DRM. In order to make a copy, you will be violating the DMCA, making you a pirate. And, yet again, I'm not talking merely about the disc containing the full game. Would you like address the very real case I brought up of a single-player game needing to connect to a server for authorization? Would you? No? Because it destroys your fetishization of a medium? Yeah, figured. You guys are clowns.
@@jimschuler8830 "So, too, are your physical disc purchases." Now we're concerned with legality? The iTunes license forbids copying, and in a court the act of reproducing a digital facsimile or copy of the source (licensed) file would be illegal, or what we may call "piracy?" The principal idea of "piracy" is that it is the act of copying a file or set of files, whether originally legally obtained, as being equivalent to theft, IF not given the EXPRESS sanction by the rightsholder (e.g. creator and/or publisher). "... violating the DMCA, ..." Sure, then every game, book, movie, article, newspaper, drawing, name, and statue made in the last 75 years is copyrighted, and therefore you're viewing or "possession" is a license of a sort. You have to pick a line somewhere, and evidently you've chosen that only DRM-protected files can be pirated. I wonder what you think about copying bought PDFs of e-books and their licenses. I already did acknowledge that video game discs nowadays don't usually have the whole game and need to connect to the gaming console company's server. Nice straw man, nice try; I was agreeing with you, and yet you lash out. Don't fetishize your anger. Carry on with your holier than thou iTunes piracy, troll. Remember to use lossless file formats for songs, such as .flac. Best of fate, traveler.
You are absolutely right, the time has come for us film collectors to do everything we can to ensure that physical media remains a part of the future because there is nothing better than holding something physical in your hands or pulling it off the shelf. But another crucial point is that there are also playback devices for us because without them the collection is worthless.
emulation keeps them relevant without the playback devices.
@4:26 With DRM, even physical copies turn into paperweights. In case of MMORPGs like Monster Hunter Frontier G the only thing you preserve is a useless chunk of data and memories of a long gone era. Unless you can hack the console and use day 1 assets to connect to a private server that is part of an enthusiast project.
As a physical media purist i was hit with some sad news yesterday.
Went to my local Target to get groceries ect. I always swing by the electronics section and i was thinking about picking up Inside Out 2 on blu ray to my shock the entire movie section was just gone.
No kiosks, no bookends NOTHING. They didnt even have a courtesy to put up a note weeks prior so their shoppers would be made aware of have a sale its just suddenly poof gone.
Going to check out walmart today now being the one and only place left in my radius that carries new release.
I knew big box stores were planning on downsizing but its all just gone, what was a regular part of my weekly shopping routine is a thing of the past, just sad😢
I'm a little annoyed that they will not follow the same model that music is. Where you buy a copy of the stuff, and you can download it without the DRM. There are even higher-quality downloads available that are the same as what you could get on a CD, SACD, DVD-A.
Not sure why the movie industry won't follow the same model. I think physical will stick around but only for as long as Sony and Panasonic choose to keep making the players. After that, stuff will jump up in price unless boutiques are willing to step in and offer something affordable and decent. The same thing happened with vinyl and CDs.
It's because these studios are terrified of piracy. They would rather go broke than offer a common-sense alternative.
Where I live stores still stock up on blu ray movies and games like Wal mart and even Best Buy has their shelves filled with games.
Disney plus pulled Togo a few days ago. One of my favorite recent films. With no official physical media release the movie is now essentially wiped off the face of the earth. Really bummed me out.
Just between you and me, rutracker has WEB-DLs of it. I would personally get it there and archive it somewhere or burn it to a disc.
Alien Romulus 4K steelbook on Amazon is 65.99 USD.
Best Buy used to sell them for 30-35 dollars.
Wow and I thought Best Buy was overpriced. I wouldn't even buy that movie much less pay $66 for a steelbook of it.
@@LordDementus1987 true that
@@Zodarus It could just be a placeholder too.
I also hate the fact that films can be edited without notice. Also all directors I have heard talk about streaming vs physical media they extremely recommend the Blu Ray or 4K.
The only digital games I own on Xbox were free when they gave away games with gold. The only digital games I own on PS4 were bought using a PS store gift card my brother in law gave me, so in my mind they’re free 🤷♂️
The only digital movies I own came free with the blu-ray/dvd I bought. Basically what I’m saying is I do NOT buy digital anything. I want physical media until I die.
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the costs of physical media too. It seems like the prices keep going up. I try to rent/copy stuff at the library to save on costs but sometimes you can't get or find things. And for OOP discs, sometimes you're paying $50+ for a single film. At least with Blu-rays. Often DVDs can be cheaper and still offer an enjoyable presentation.
great topic Jamie
remember some games we dont own psychical look at call of duty 2019 and mw2 and mw3 all are just keys also same with halo infinete the game is just a key we cannot play offline . majoraty of games on disc are just keys i continue too buy disc though regardless if some just keys
I wouldn't be surprised if used copies of HZD went up on eBay. Besides the fact hzd DOES NOT NEED REMASTERED it's unfortunate. Hell just a month ago I revisited it on the PS4 it was great never once did I think it needs remastered or remake. Well it's a shame if no one who played it and wants to now.... I would just wait it's highway robbery now. Or the Concord tax.
but currently nintendo is an enemy of physical media and of preservation
AND tey overprice all their digital ip
Very true indeed as of right now switch 2 might just get or be even worse.
Well of course. The reason they want to do this is the same reason Sony tried to shut down the used CD market years ago. They want a total monopoly so that they can raise prices. Once the digital route is your only option, they will make it so all the purchase terms are favorable to them, they'll raise prices and they'll have the ability to remove it but keep your money. It's a joke really. It's sad how bad consumer protections are in the US.
I’ve heard of their war on emulators, and I agree, they need to stop that, but I love being able to pop on a cartridge and play instantly, while it’s not every game, as I mentioned, Mario Odyssey and Zelda did not require any patches to play.
Nintendo does release revised cartridges of their games with patches and sometimes even DLC on them.
If they are ‘an enemy of physical media’ why should they even bother doing this?
@@MaI2Me google : nintendo is not your friend...they are to videogames the prostreaming - pro-rebuy the same game,nintendo is the "we own your footage of our game" company...educate yourself before defending nintendo again. I AM THEIR FAN so i bash their sins
@2:44 you say “I own this digitally”…. Contradicts your whole argument that you don’t own anything digitally… 😬
but nintendo also releases games on cartridges that are almost empty and need a massive download like mgs collection or hogwarts legacy
that's even worse than a code or digital copy
It’s specified on the box if a download is required to play, at least within Australia this is the case, you know what you’re getting before you buy
The games you mentioned are not first party Nintendo games. In fact, Nintendo does release revised cartridges with updated, complete versions of the games on them.
"you will own nothing and be happy" --Klaus Schwab
Unless you're doing something like film or vinyl, physical media does not matter, because physical media--your CDs, your DVDs, your Blurays, your 4ks--is also digital. A game on Bluray that you need access to Sony's servers to run is just as vulnerable to deletion (actually, more so) as an Amazon Prime download. The physicality does not matter (technically, everything is physical as the data needs to be stored somewhere). What matters is local independence of the data. My itunes purchases are as much mine as my 4k discs. Even if Apple wanted to delete my library, it couldn't because not a single file I downloaded from them is dependent upon or even accessible by their servers. They are mine, and if I really wanted to I could take those files, burn them to a writeable disc, print out an insert, shove that all into a jewel case, and like magic I have a music CD. Even with a movie downloaded from Amazon Prime, there are annoying ways to rip it off the service and make it mine. That PS5 game disc, meanwhile, you're just screwed when the servers go down. Physical doesn't mean anything.
Firstly, if you purchase movies via a platform like ITunes, they will need to verify your license periodically, thus you need internet connection for your collection to work.
Also disk based games do not require internet, on the disk is a version 1.0 of the game, yes it may be in a broken state, but the game is still present and can be played offline should you choose to, it doesn’t require Sony servers to do so, unless of course it’s an online game like Fortnite or COD, then in which case, you’re right, Sony servers will need to be on for you to play those games.
Also if you think your iTunes collection is as much yours as a 4k disk, try loaning it to a friend, or transferring ownership to someone else (selling it), you don’t own nothing with digital, you’re leasing it, and your collection can and will be taken if the platform deems it so, you get the illusion of ownership on digital.
@@JamieToomeyPresents Firstly, you completely missed the point with your "firstly." I will repeat: there are ways, annoying though they may be, to completely rip media off of the service that you purchased them from. iTunes can't phone home to verify a license of a file it no longer has access to, especially a file on a device that doesn't touch iTunes or any Apple software at all. That would require magic. Plus, my example for iTunes was music. They don't even bother with DRM for that. Breaking iTunes's hold is as simple as dragging and dropping.
Second, disc-based games MAY require the internet. Some do for their anti-cheat alone. Spore famously required internet access just for activation. If you think it's just for multiplayer, you haven't been paying attention. Also, for fun, look up DIVX (the physical media format, not to be confused with DivX the file format).
Third, I can loan my digital copies really easily as I run a Plex server. If someone wants to see my movies and music, I can set them up with an account to my personal Netflix. What platform is going to take my collection? The most Plex can do is stop working, and then I open up Jellyfin and run from there, but none of those services actually holds my data. My NAS holds my data, as do my backups. Those services merely give me ready access with a nice GUI. You have to send in a squad of ninjas, and in that case, you can take out my 4k collection right along with it.
@@jimschuler8830 Jamie is not talking about and is excluding piracy and downloaded files; you're coming at it from different angles.
Your iTunes purchases are licenses. While you may have circumvented by ripping out digital file copies, the purchases are still licenses. You've ultimately only used the iTunes purchases, along with other software, as the method of obtainment, instead of an illegal downloading site, and do not "own" the original iTunes source, but instead own a copy of it. The license may be taken away, but yes, your files wouldn't be taken away.
Same ideas apply to a Plex server. You're talking about sharing actual copies of local files, Jamie is talking about licenses, which usually cannot be gifted to another account on any given streaming service.
And yeah, the disc(s) containing the full game isn't usually true for a lot of modern games, and it isn't a new issue either. I believe he's mentioned it in a video before over the past few months.
@@blubahub "Your iTunes purchases are licenses." So, too, are your physical disc purchases. Yeah, sure, you own the packaging, but the data on that package is licensed. And I'm sorry, what "other software" did I use with an iTunes music download? That seems to be a thing neither of you want to address.
You want to talk about piracy? Well, in that case I'd argue you own iTunes music downloads more than you own a 4k disc. Because you can make copies for yourself and play them on whatever you want: on your computer, your phone, your car, your CD player, your cassette player. Meanwhile, your DVDs, your Blurays, your 4k, are all protected by DRM. In order to make a copy, you will be violating the DMCA, making you a pirate.
And, yet again, I'm not talking merely about the disc containing the full game. Would you like address the very real case I brought up of a single-player game needing to connect to a server for authorization? Would you? No? Because it destroys your fetishization of a medium? Yeah, figured.
You guys are clowns.
@@jimschuler8830 "So, too, are your physical disc purchases." Now we're concerned with legality? The iTunes license forbids copying, and in a court the act of reproducing a digital facsimile or copy of the source (licensed) file would be illegal, or what we may call "piracy?" The principal idea of "piracy" is that it is the act of copying a file or set of files, whether originally legally obtained, as being equivalent to theft, IF not given the EXPRESS sanction by the rightsholder (e.g. creator and/or publisher).
"... violating the DMCA, ..." Sure, then every game, book, movie, article, newspaper, drawing, name, and statue made in the last 75 years is copyrighted, and therefore you're viewing or "possession" is a license of a sort. You have to pick a line somewhere, and evidently you've chosen that only DRM-protected files can be pirated. I wonder what you think about copying bought PDFs of e-books and their licenses.
I already did acknowledge that video game discs nowadays don't usually have the whole game and need to connect to the gaming console company's server. Nice straw man, nice try; I was agreeing with you, and yet you lash out. Don't fetishize your anger.
Carry on with your holier than thou iTunes piracy, troll. Remember to use lossless file formats for songs, such as .flac. Best of fate, traveler.