One thing I despised about the finale is them making fun of their CGI, which is only scuffed in the first place because of Disney working their artists to the bone and underpaying them, so using their toils for a punchline is just messed up.
2 little corrections 1) writers are not corporate, they don't run everything through corporate, and they don't make the bad decisions that lead to bad CGI 2) a big reason the CGI is bad is due to the soft features I'm assuming corporate pushed onto the artists. This becomes very clear when you compare her to ruffalo. You can see the BIG difference is the amount of roughness on ruffalo's face, the beard, scars, etc. It adds this level of realness that you can't do with soft features.
Completely on board with coming to the defense of the workers involved behind the scenes in the CGI but I don’t think “making fun of the CGI” was the case, they just said “you are very expensive” and she changes back off screen to be “budget friendly”. That’s not exactly the same as when Taika joked in public about some of the Love & Thunder CGI being rushed and bad
“Seeing Matt Murdock for the first time in years” Damn Dr Strange’s spell even made Marcus forget No Way Home. Side note the wildest and most unbelievable part of this show is that the only person to find Jen attractive outside of she hulk form is a blind man.
I don't think it was that they didn't think human jen was attractive, and more so the fact that She-Hulk just interested and drew them in more, and jen was just boring by comparison.
@@ZenSymphonia Also in part what you'll here from a lot of women in their 30's is dating is rough. she is attractive, she is smart and she's confident which intimidates a lot of men so they constantly over-compensate.
@@omas1178 We are talking about numbers here. Black Panther made a lot more than Thor 3 and Guardians and many people knew that this is a movie with 99.5% black actors. The problem with Ms. Marvel wasn't the racism.. the problem was so many many stupid and boring shows in Phase 4 and again Ms.Marvel was lazy and boring. People just stopped watching Disney MCU.
Yet, they had a 6’7” woman on set as “a body reference” for She-Hulk, when they could’ve easily painted her green, have her act as She-Hulk (like Lou Ferrigno in the 1970s) and saved millions of dollars in VFX.
Pretty much par for the course with Disney's hypocrisy given what they did with Peter Pan in that terrible _"Rescue Rangers"_ movie despite being the very company who destroyed his child actor in the first place.
@@es_three232his videos are funny and well edited. Yeah I disagree with a lot of his opinions. But I can still appreciate his vids. Unsubbing cuz someone had a diff opinion is incredibly petty
@@es_three232If he posted reviews with no context on rotten tomatoes sure. But he actually has videos discussing ‘why’ they feel a certain way about a film or show. Isn’t that like a perk about making videos, you can explain why you fucking like or dislike something, to prove you don’t hate it because everyone likes it. He makes fucking videos with explanations on why he feels a way on something and there’s brain dead morons who say “he’s a contrarian!” Bro, watch the fucking videos, contrarian isn’t someone who disagrees with everyone. A contrarian is someone who disagrees with everyone FOR THE SAKE of disagreeing with everyone and being different for the sake of being different (what it means today)
@@randomahnameisthename3147it’s not that he has a different opinion, his opinions and statements are either just objectively Wrong or contradictory, either between his other vids and even in the same video
Season 2 should include a _Chowder_-esque segment where Jen decides to stay as She-Hulk for as long as possible to the point where her CGI becomes increasingly worse until it gets removed completely, leading her actress to work some other job until she gets enough money to get her CGI back.
Them calling it a law show is a bit of a stretch after realising the writers themselves admitted they can’t write court scenes, especially over arching ones, which is why basically every court battle apart from Abomination is resolved after a single session or 2
In a world where movies and shows like Arcane, Battle Angel Alita and Wonder Woman exist people should really drop the "you guys just don't like women" argument.
It was a bit disappointing that the only real fight she ever had was against the Hulk, everybody else who forced her to use her powers was a joke and then they just ignored the natural ending they had set up to say "showdowns are dumb and CGI fights are too expensive so we're skipping it this time"
I'm genuinely so glad there weren't long set piece fights forced into episodes. Her fight with the hulk was the worst part of that episode. Its just not in line with her character. I would've zoned out if they tried putting more punching in the sitcom about a hot green lawyer who wants to date a nice guy and feel valuable.
Marvel is Cinema when they feel like it look at no way home which while it does entertain with action also has a good character development and a depressing story that actually grips at your heart strings
I was mostly just disappointed that it wasn't really a lawyer show at all. I was low-key really interested in a Marvel legal drama and we didn't get that.
.....you wanted a drama? bruh.. Seriously you clearly knew nothing about the character or the MCU if you thought they were gonna pivot a comedy and border line gag character into a drama.
@@yusei151 I mean most people didn’t even know there was a she hulk character so it ain’t that surprising that expectation’s were all over the place for this show depending on what you did or didn’t know
@@yusei151 My dude, She-Hulk is not a very popular character even amongst comic book aficionados. Is it really so crazy that I expected the "lawyer show" that the show itself was so proud of identifying as to actually be about the law? Stop trying to stir up shit in RUclips comments and do something productive with your life.
@@yusei151 Devil May Cry has better constructed comedy than She-Hulk and is still able to pull off dramatic moments properly. This show was just absolute trash.
@@almostadonovan yea it is because your not watching a law show this isn’t law and order 😂😂😂what do you want she-hulk to deal with a SA case or something stop it. If you don’t know the character idk do some research you shouldn’t go in expecting something when you have no idea what it is 🤷🏽♂️
I'm pretty sure in an earlier video Marcus mentioned that when judging a show he doesn't care that much about the writing quality. Even if I heard that wrong, wow does this video support that. Most people I know don't like this show because of the terrible screenplay and how it handles existing MCU characters and elements (Wong, Hulk, etc.), not because they hate women or because they simply wanted higher stakes. I feel like you're not getting why a lot of people don't like this show.
The problem is most of those aren’t genuine criticisms when people say them. They’re masking their dislike of a low stakes female led show in their fantasy superhero world. It’s not that hard to understand
Brother i think he said it when it comes to CERTAIN stories, like rogue on needs good writing for characters unlike the force awakens cause of how much smaller scale the plot is, specially considering how it ends.
The main reason I didn't like the show was because we had a lawyer show where the main character didn't win a single case by being a good lawyer and we just get told over and over again that she's a good lawyer but never shown.
@@adrienvillela2934 By having a cameo character come explain away a prison break then escape when this is pointed out to be very illegal. If this show had any thought put into it this would never work
@@amberbetts8098 She, the lawyer, didn't know the product came with instructions? She didn't prep her client or her case. He seemed to readily talk about the jet fuel, did she not discuss the incident at length with him? As far as I can tell, she's just as dumb as her imbecile client
You can’t deny that saying “it’s just not for you”, isn’t a cop out phrase when you’re defending a hated film. Can’t people just “don’t like” without having to justify it. It’s a simple fact that’s it.
@@squidmanfedsfeds5301 Obviously, it could be as trivial as not liking the acting, and what not. But can people not be crucified and be label something they’re not, just because they didn’t like something everyone likes.
@@luster5497 definitely, I’m with you there You’re not a woman hater if you didn’t like this show and you’re not a liberal or something if you maybe did like the show You might be but your opinion on the show isn’t what makes you those things
@@squidmanfedsfeds5301 I don’t understand why people are forcing politics and conformity on TV Shows. It’s retarded enough, then to take it to fight each other on social media is sad
95%+ of the males characters on the show were some combination of being jerks and/or being stupid. Is that realistic? More people would've complained if the sexes had been reversed and rightly so. Being bad writers the only way they can think of propping up jen is to make men around her look bad and turn her into a mary sue who doesn't need the training or experience of her male cousin Bruce 1-2 days after getting her powers. And/or the writers are radical feminists who think 95%+ of men are treating women badly. Have you ever heard a man refer to a woman as an "it" before that happened in an episode? In the comics bruce saved jen's life after she is shot by giving her an immediate blood transfusion with medical equipment he had and she later considered her new powers a gift. In the show that male bastard gives her powers she doesn't want after 1 or 2 drops of his blood falls into her wound while she, seemingly unnaturally strong for a woman, pulls his bulk out of a flaming car. Her starting off as self centered narcassist who generally uses her powers for selfish reasons rather than to help others made me think there was going to be some character arc where she would later change and be more heroic. That was too hard a job for the writers, in her final episode she ends up pretty much as self centered as in the first with the writers implying that that it is empowering. Also, the writers calling the show's writing bad in a 4th wall break in which they appear doesn't excuse the show's writing being bad.
I do think the speed of them trying to churn out these projects is severely impacting the quality of the projects. Taking more time to streamline the stories and touch up cgi could bring up the quality a lot. True fans are going to wait a few extra months for a better product which will serve characters and world more faithfully
It's only going to get worse. That's the business model now: shit out as much content within the year so the audience doesn't ask questions, consmes product, then gets excited for next product.
@@andrewhezekiahdaniel Urgh I hate it there is so much potential but at this point half the stuff they are producing falls so low. It's either underwhelming or clearly flawed. It's so much worse when you can see they have the parts to a great story that you would love to see play out but they just slap it together to get it out and make money as soon as possible
I mostly just think the show fails at the "attorney at law" part. It never shows us Jen as a competent attorney getting the legal upper hand in a clever way or actually show us interesting court cases in this world. Like, none of her cases should've made it to trial. All of the major revelations would be discovered in pre-trial deposition and they'd all likely settle before ever going to trial. None of them were worth going in front of a judge for. The most interesting and engaging one was the divorce arbitration with the immortal man. The legal aspects were pretty poorly done all things considered for a superhero lawyer comedy series. I wasn't expecting law and order levels of realism, but maybe something closer to the legal chicanery of Better Call Saul at least.
@@drewnolde2674 that's fair to say, I suppose I meant the mundane more than realism of law and order in terms of the legal proceedings like juror selections, depositions, evidence review, the justice system from soup to nuts. I know we don't need all of that in our quirky marvel show. But if you keep telling me she's a capable and intelligent attorney capable of working high profile cases, then I do expect compelling opening and closing statements, loopholes and research, and legally challenging court cases. Not junk lawsuits that would be settled out long before a trial.
Yeah, the writers admitted to not knowing how to write court stuff and it would be a lot to someone not already versed in this stuff to come up with real cases that would make it to a trial. I know the Netflix daredevil show wasn't super accurate in it's legal stuff but at least the trials were over big stuff like murder and corporate collusion.
I didn't particulary like the show, but I didn't think it was the worst thing ever. It had some cringey moments, but it's not supposed to be taken super seriously. It's like a sitcom, so I didn't expect much from it. I'm not big on sitcoms, so it wasn't meant for me.
I have two problems with She-Hulk. In the comics, Jennifer Walters is legitimately a badass lawyer. She's REALLY good at practicing law. In the show, it just doesn't feel like that. She sort of gets lucky all time, rather than her victories coming from her skill. The other thing is that the show is feeding the trolls. I would love to see what this same team would have made, if they weren't focused on, in the words of Jessica Gao, "Trolling the trolls." It feels like letting this small minority of hopeless douchebags set the agenda. It doesn't feel like a victory to me. It feels like they let these losers determine the course of their show. I love Tatiana Maslany as Jennifer Walters. She was even more perfect for the character than I thought, and I was over the moon when she was cast. I do think the tone of the show is very faithful. The whimsey, the wall breaks, the taking the piss out of conventional narratives, that's all great. I just think they kind of missed an opportunity by focusing so much on a small number of hyper indignant dudes, instead of all the other stories about women's lives they could have been telling. Also, I really don't like how Jessica Gao admitted that none of them were any good at writing legal drama. I feel certain that there is no shortage of women writers and lawyers they could have brought in to help with that. I guess they wouldn't have to be women, but if I'm writing a show about female lawyer, I'm gonna be compelled to consult with female lawyers about their experiences.
But they weren't even attacking any "douchebags". Just anybody who criticised them was lumped under "manbaby hater". And while I don't agree with all the criticisms I've seen (even from creators I like), I assure you they were more nuanced than "show bad cuz woman". To my knowledge, pretty much everyone criticising the show is just disappointed because they were really excited to see the show.
Even though they make up a minority, I still think it’s important to talk about. I’ve never had the philosophy of “just ignore the trolls.” I’ve always liked to address them head on.
Gotta love a show where they assume people will hate this show, write it for the people that hate it, then pat themselves on the back while regular people wonder why there's no story and no good legal drama
I think the issue is being really good at practicing law can come off as boring. The way you evaluate if someone has skill in law is sitting through hours and hours of testimony. I don't know how they did it the comics but I would imagine it was over top and over exaggeration like how a lot of cop/lawyer shows are now a days. To me it's like asking is "Captain America a good soldier"? Well we don't really see him do the things that soldiers typically do. He sort of given command without any reason.
i swear the only responses i hear from people who watch MCU tv is… “it wasn’t for me but i can see why people enjoyed it” or “it wasn’t the best but it was fun”
And that’s a problem. We should be expecting more from the biggest fucking studio on the planet. We shouldn’t be content with mediocrity. We should be demanding more from our entertainment, especially from studios like Marvel. Also, I miss your videos Diesel😢
This cosomaunt quickie wasnt very good, marcus saying people not watching Ms Marvel because it has black people sounds like the gamerboy whine baby to me.
We should be expecting more from superhero content especially with The Batman blowing everything superhero related movie wise out of the water. I don't know why there's such a problem with critical thinking.
Instead of always having a weekly marvel show, I would much rather Disney take their time to produce a few good shows in a year. Give artists more time for CGI, give writers more time to flesh out story and make it intriguing
Also get better writers for the genre the show/s meant to be. She-Hulk was a law show and the writers themselves said they don’t know how to write court scenes
why is it so impossible to fathom that some people just genuinely didnt think the show was good Edit: Since my comment has clearly continued to cause some confusion, because I was not very specific, I will clarify: This comment is not directed at the user who uploaded this video in any manner. Rather, it was written in response to the topic (in a section of the video) of why some people may or may not like the show, and that he gets that. My question was more like "why can't other members of the Marvel fandom reasonably understand that it just isn't some people's taste, like this guy does, and not attack them for simply not liking the show?". Again: I am 100% aware he personally addressed this topic himself, my comment is not directed at his personal commentary or views presented in the video. It is a general, rhetorical question, over the topic of the discourse surrounding the show across the internet.
@@Anxioustate he did. I suppose I could have been more clear. it's just a general statement towards a lot of peoples attitudes around those who don't like it. generally pointed more at *some* of the comments in this video and the comments on Marvel subreddits
She-Hulk actually does the one thing I wish the other shows did, which is making disconnected episode. A lot of the other shows aren’t even shows they’re just chopped up movies with a bunch of extra fluff to fill in the 30 minute TV show quota. She-Hulk is more akin to the old animated cartoons where each episode has it’s own individual story & I can appreciate that.
This I picked up on as well. At first I didnt like the show because of this reason, I didnt feel connected to each story and I found it odd an MCU show didnt have an overarching story or plot points. In retrospective though, I actually thought She-Hulk was fine. Looking at it as it is and not as I expected it to be really helps. Also on that note, this show is not for everyone. I’m looking forward to season 2 edit: I WILL SAY THOUGH, some of the writing was really awful, especially in the earlier episodes. A lot of it came around, but this show deserves better writing for sure.
The main thing that I took issue with throughout the show were the allusions to a "larger plot" about people trying to steal Hulk powers. And I'm very glad the payoff to all of those plot threads was for Jen to just throw it all out at the end.
I think the show really needed to integrate the 4th wall breaking more regularly, then that ending would have been pitch perfect. It takes alot of inspo from Fleabag but the reason Fleabag works is the the 4th wall breaking happens almost all the time and ties into it's core theme and character arc. I think that's why my fav parts of the She-Hulk series was never the 4th wall breaking.
You know seing cosmo simp to the show isn't really that surprising, but seriously I'm still wondering how could you make such shitty claims? "Boohoo misogynist hate this show"okay? You do know that there are plenty of movies with a female lead, a perfect example is wonder woman, yet the reviews are actually great, compared to others with a lead actress like she-hulk and captain marvel, And Yeah wonder woman overpowers everyone including men, Which by your logic hurts a man's feeling, but you know why that movie was well liked? Because they didn't make her a dislikeable or annoying person instead a very humble and polite character and because the story was actually not that bad. Problem with shows like she hulk and Velma is that the show wants you to like characters who are annoying or dislikeable.
@SA_586 . Because he went from being an asshole, and selfish billionaire to a hero who tries to help people and ultimately sacrificed his life to save the world. (A very dynamical character indeed which shows struggle and development) I'm not saying being humble and polite (and very caring) are the only things that make characters likeable, you don't exactly have to make your characters polite all the time (cecil, but he's a pretty interesting character but he acknowledges that he's an asshole anyway) I applied those traits specifically to wonder woman, which were shown in a pretty believable way, but also because she's not cringy like other mcu chicks, and is not a perfect character who has no weakness, her weakness being of course caring for others, besides she's pretty badass too. My point is that she-hulk is a horrible example of how to write an empowering female character. (Same goes for Ray, but that's for shitty character development and being a pretty boring character too)
Sure there are some people who were over triggered at the show - but it's clear their focus was on making she-hulk the she-boss rather than trying to write an interesting character arc. The whole story was all over the place and the end was just a bad attempt at subverting expectations.
I agree with what you say about the ending, but She-Hulk 100% had a character arc throughout the show. I think it could have been done better, but acting like her arc of learning how to control her anger just didn’t exist simply isn’t true.
@@itschris1364 how does she "control her anger" exactly or come to terms with her identity? She gets angry at some dudes posting videos of her in college, smashes the monitor, gets arrested and that's it. There was no arc of learning to control her anger. Better examples of characters whose arc revolves around controlling their anger or coming to terms with different sides to their personality . Shoto Todoroki . Katsuki Bakugo . Akiza Izinski . Zuko . Rocket Raccoon . Literally every Persona character . Gaara
@@Animestar21 So did you just skip the episode where she went on the spiritual retreat and talked to other superheroes about their problems? Or the scenes of her talking to Daredevil on the rooftop where he calls her out for causing property damage and she realizes she needs to control herself? We just skip those bits?
@@Animestar21 She was literally called out for that, it was presented as a character flaw. You wouldn’t criticize Tony Stark causing massive property damage in his movies because he was called out for it and realized it was wrong. The same happened here, what are you missing?
Hearing Marcus speak about this show and noticing how much he knows the character is very wholesome and refreshing on this circle of hell we live in. It would be nice if it wasnt for the fact that Marcus is A CONTRARIAN!
Huh? He made it patently obvious he didn't read the comics and knows little about the character. "This IS She-Hulk!" No Mark, it isn't, being funny isn't the same as being a joke. She-Hulk has always been a somewhat humorous superheroine who is also a lawyer, and before the last decade she barely lawyer'd. Hell going through his other videos he only has a passing knowledge of MOST fandoms he talks about.
That's definitely fair, but I still think that it had weird identity crises between what style of TV they were going for. Like it goes back and forth between a traditional marvel product, quirky sitcom, serious drama, etc. Just pick one lane and go for it imo
@@msaadah1223 I'm watching the Harley Quinn show right now and if Marvel really leaned into the episodic nature I think it could've been something special. Maybe even make it animated as well
4:36 I dunno if _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ is the best example to use in defense of TV shows that "don't spend all season building up to a main villain who is then defeated" _Buffy_ may have been quite episodic (more so in the earlier seasons), but literally every single season had a main antagonist whom Buffy had to defeat at the end, and a lot of the episodes served to advance the main arc of each season. Season 6 is somewhat different because the Trio doesn't do much and none of them is the "Final Boss". But their actions directly lead to Tara's death which results in Willow going Dark and becoming that season's "Final Boss".
@@jml_filmes There is objectivity of being "bad" and "good", only Westerners that got brainwashed by postmodern thinking are claiming otherwise And postmodern French philosophers, the ones that formulate relativism on every single thing, even at determining values, tend to have, very interesting perspectives on the affairs of children (as in age of consent on intercourses)
I want more episodes serialized like the Magician and Frog Man. I haven't even watched Daredevil, I just want sole court cases that don't get distracted from a "big picture". I just want an entire season of Law & Order serial episodes for small-time vigilantes.
The Sopranos spoilers were so unexpected, but it was probably my favorite joke of the show. I’d have been pissed if I hadn’t seen the whole thing. I thought him having Long Term Parking on was just a cute nod…but they full sent it and it was hilarious
I have never watched it and I swear to god I only remember that the spoiler was that somebody was killed (which I expect from that series) and I have no clue what name it was. So I think if I ever decide to watch that show, I‘m safe 😅
@@zikilovesgenesis You had over a decade, you don't get to be upset. King Kong dies at the end, Rosebud is a sled, the Godfather's sequels aren't as good! Besides, if you didn't spend a bunch of energy on seething about how you were spoiled you wouldn't even remember the spoiler by the time you got to it. By now you've certainly made sure to engrain it into your memory as a time you "were wronged".
@@1Seanmb You seem like a toxic, bitter piece of shit who's speaking solely from experience with that last sentence. And who the fuck is "seething"? He literally just said it irritated him and it wasn't funny. That's called an opinion, and the only one seething about opinions is you. Grow the fuck up and spend less time on RUclips, it might be good for you. Puberty's just around the corner, Sean.
@@1Seanmb well if I’m currently watching the show and I hear 2 important character deaths, that is quite hard to just brush off. As for your first point, I wasn’t even alive when the show came out.
I love episodic TV shows like Seinfeld or B:TAS, but I gotta admit that I prefer a mix of serialized and episodic storytelling. Something like A:TLA, Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, or Clone Wars, does both perfectly.
That line you said about how some people believe episodic shows are pointless really resonated with me in terms of cartoons. Seems like every cartoon needs to have some kind of mystery set up, needs to comment on a very sensitive issue related to the protagonist, or a complicated storyline that needs 3-4 seasons to properly tell.
THIS!! I remember last year when Disney's new cartoon, The Ghost and Molly McGee, was shown to be a musical comedy and people were asking the creator on Twitter when the show was gonna get "darker", when the whole point of the show was that it was supposed to be light-hearted. People were so conditioned to see shows like the Owl House and Amphibia, also on Disney, were more dramatic with higher stakes that they automatically assumed every show after would be the same, as if variety amongst programs isn't a thing. As someone who prefers more slice of life and comedic shows that don't show children in danger semi-regularly, it's really disheartening to see that every cartoon has to be "adult" just to get taken seriously
Yeah, that's even Lampshaded by Jennifer herself in the climax. The whole focus of the show (in her vision) was her acceptance of both of her sides and living with it.
Mysteries, interesting protagonists, and complex plots are interesting. A status quo and shorter, less complex plot lines are generally less interesting Episodic isn't necessarily bad, but there's a reason we moved towards the first. You get much more attached to the characters. Episodic is ok for comedy, but that's because pure comedy can be boring on its own for all those reasons.
@@user-dc5xe9tv7n Shows like star vs the forces of evil would've been perfectly fine if it kept with the episodic adventure comedy. But once it started focusing on issues like racism and fucking relationships, it just went downhill from there.
I tried getting into this show but its hard to get into a Legal Show right off the heels of Better Call Saul and not match it's level of care and writing.
Bro.... When EVERY dude around her is either an asshole jerk or a incompetent wimp, it shows more about the viewpoints of writers on men than the character itself.
Ehhhh really? Daredevil? Bruce? Her dad? Her coworker? Hell even Abomination is just a normal therapist dude. Idk about you but just cause people aren't walking around as either gigachad or basement dweller doesn't mean they aren't normal functional members of society. This hyperbole shit is literally just you finding ways to magnify shit that made you mad in the first place so you can get mad some more. Chill out.
Exactly! Except Daredevil. And Pug. oh and Bruce, Blonsky and the therapy group and the date guy...oh and Wong. but other than that EVERY MAN WAS AN INCOMPETENT BOOB!
Good thing Wong, Pug, Hulk, Daredevil, the doctor she hooked up with, and even Wrecker in the therapy episode (after he had reformed) were none of those things. So I guess it shows that there's guys who are good and not so good? Man, are you guys even trying?
Also I loved the group therapy session. While the characters were comedic, they didn't treat the idea/concept of (group) therapy as a joke. And as someone who has spent years of his life attending sessions like that, it felt nice.
Felt like the way they all balked at Porcupine when he finally took off his mask was rude as hell though. Talk about fucking someone up the moment they get comfortable.
I dislike because it's the opposite of therapy, they literally tell her how great she is, when she questioned why people don't like her human side. Therapy is about self reflection, not enabling.
@@indie_gamer7 ok smartass what defines good or bad since u want to give me such an obsurd example. anyways IN THIS CASE, his OPINION is harmless and has nothing to do with racism and genocide so now please if u could stfu. and if u cant stand someone else having a different opinion then u when it comes to what kind of media u enjoy then hop off the internet for while since ur so weak
@@thatmovienitpicker8070 "I'm an expert at controlling my anger because I do it *INFINITELY* more than you" That one line killed this show in my opinion and nothing in the following episodes convinced me otherwise
@@Animestar21yeah but it’s clear with Bruce’s facial expressions that this is supposed to be a flaw for Jen that she needs to grow and learn to abandon, the problem is that they never do that.
I took issue with how she is rude to people and the show never depicts it as wrong. She outright invalidates Bruce's struggle in life when she obviously has had it easier than him. It mirrors a broken philosophy that women must be rude and brash because that's seen as powerful
She doesn't invalidate his struggles. She was pointing they go through various things he will never go through that hurt her and invalidate her as a human being. It's why bruce never interupts her, because bruce understands that.
@@reggiefreeborn2143 Yet the irony in that very scene is that she says that she can handle anger better than him while getting angry Bruce is the last guy she should talk to about the struggles of controlling anger.
@@BigTorr704 exactly. they’re purposely not realizing the hypocrisy of explaining bruce’s area of expertise to Him 😭 when that’s what’s she’s complaining about. The writing isn’t good
This comment section singlehandedly proves why the show's 33% audience rating in rotten tomatoes and 5.2/10 rating on IMDB is entirely accurate and not just review bombs from trolls.
i mean its all neckbeard basement dwellers crying about muh women, doesnt prove shit. i as someone who doesnt spend my life getting mad at women online didnt get the fuss and why yall act like a bunch of babies. i really hope you grow out of it and meet some women. ofc you can dislike the show, its not great but its very far from deserving of all this shit. its kinda funny they made fun of the neckbeards in the show
@@khalxd1991 Nice strawman argument lol. Even Cosmonaut agrees the vast majority of people bashing She Hulk hate it for reasons that are not "muh women",. Those are the people he addressed in this video and are also the people who take up most of the comments.
One thing I will say, as someone who has not read the she hulk comics and went into this with just a blanket mind not caring for the comics, I was frustrated a lot. Whilst I agree with your reasonings in terms of arc and how it played out, it does have to be said, episode 3 completely ruins it. I was on board from episode 5 onwards and thought it got better till the finale which I just rolled my eyes cos I more or less knew a dunking was coming
While on the topic of an arc. An arc is about a character changing due to development. What actually developed with Shehulk? She can do everything she could at the end since the beginning and her pov and opinions also haven't changed
@@legendaresn6983 to me, there was an arc, it could be seen on episode, the setups were there in episode 4 and 6. She began trusting and in the final episode the trust was broken and because she was a bland generic character, she became paletteable for the viewer who experienced being led on for an ulterior motive relate. The subversion is my frustration. I get the meta commentary just fell flat though there were layers of that coming in episode 3.
@@benjacarrasco9447 these ppl are bad faith idiots that will hate watch just to cry about nothing or hate something they never play or watch. Heck the majority of the haters not oy didn't watch a single episode but they aren't even fans of comics or mcu stuff at all
@@benjacarrasco9447 mate, even Lucy from the movie Lucy is far better written than this, despite being a mock up parody and comedy of what it's like to achieve more than 10% of brain power with the main character (lucy) practically losing her character ever since she gains the plot goal
I'm not that invested in she hulk or the manufactured outrage surrounding the show, but by god if they ever make a Squirrel Girl show they better do it justice
@@spacebook8923 But the whole point is that it's not SHITTY, it's just mediocre. You cannot reasonably tell me this show is on the same level as Eternals in comparison to other Marvel productions. The MCU has just raised standards SO MUCH to the point where a harmless show caused an outrage simply because it's mediocre and has a female protagonist as a stereotypical "girlboss" like the video said. It's not sexist to like the show, and yeah, it does have problems and annoyances, but it really is not objectively "bad" by any means. The outrage is manufactured because it's a FORCED outrage--there's nothing inherently wrong with the show in comparison to literally anything else Marvel has made, other than it not having big ramifications for the MCU like Wandavision, Loki, Falcon and Winter Soldier, or Hawkeye.
@@revolv8379 I think the fact that the show wanted you to be invested in it only to do one of the least funny 4th wall breaks to tell the audience that the show is complete ass and that the writers had no idea what they were doing is what makes it so bad. “Our audience thinks the show is ass? Well we did that on purpose. Aren’t we so smart?” Yes I know She Hulk originally did 4th wall breaks, but it seems so insulting for the writers to tell everyone that the show sucks balls and they are geniuses for pointing that out. It’s not funny at all and just squashes any investment in the show
@@spacebook8923 I hated the fourth wall breaks throughout the show. The first couple were fine but I thought the continuation of them were unbearable. The fourth wall break ending was so jarring and random, but it weirdly worked for me, mostly because like the video said that I agree with-there was no real overarching villain like the rest of the marvel shows. People expected a big epic fight to break out because it’s normal for marvel movies and shows, so they forced one in the finale (where it didn’t belong). It wasn’t about the show being shitty with no build up, it was about the supposed expectation of writers bosses and the audience of a big climax when it’s not always necessary in lower stakes environments. Sorry for ranting, and I’m not trying to say you’re wrong lol I just find it interesting
I don’t care about the low stakes or lack of a story. I care about the fact that the show just isn’t funny or well written. The show literally rewards Jen for being a bad person. Not to mention the extremely lazy finale
My problem with this show is how shallow it is. It doesn't go anywhere below the surface in the law part, or the fighting, or the She-Hulk, or the comedy, or the growing character, etc. I mean, imagine a hobby that her character likes. See? It's such a shallow character, that she doesn't feel actually real. Tatiana was the only thing that saved this show.
I kinda disagree with the point about her hating on men because when it's the other way around people get pissed the fuck off like if you gender reverse the show it would get cancelled
@@reina8284 bruh what no, I understand the history behind it but we shouldn't be normalizing sexism the other way around politics have nothing to do with this, we should all treat each other with equal respect regardless
@@reina8284 I could say the same thing about men most men who hate women either are unattractive and have terrible luck with women so they begin to resent them or they've been cheated on that applies to both genders, and this entire show just shits on men the whole time and makes us all look like pigs, we're suppose to feel sad when she false advertises herself as she hulk and the guy doesn't like her when she goes back to normal when you specifically showed yourself as a false persona of course they aren't gonna like you
@@reina8284 her character development doesn't really change she just meets daredevil and gets laid, her whole character arc is getting laid through out the show and being sad when the guys aren't interested after
@@reina8284 she's also incredible arrogant towards Bruce in the beginning of the show when she says she doesn't need help managing her anger when Bruce was hunted down by the military for 10 years, watchwe his dad murder his mom and abuse him for years so I think Bruce knows way more about managing his anger and has had a much harder life
I never usually laugh in Marvel shows or TV. but Bruce saying "I'm a different person since Harlem, literally" and Jen going "hah" at the audience, alluding to Edward Norton's Hulk, made a genuine chuckle escape from my mouth. I love the 4th wall breaks.
@@kp1x the mcu can be lighthearted and still be good, the problem is the studio is pumping out half assed garbage in half the time they used to, so the writing is going to shit
@@benkrauss5041 all they have to do is add a couple inside jokes and some 4th wall breaks and then people will defend the product to the death “you just didn’t understand the meta jokes”
I think the problem that people had with She-Hulk always stems from that one scene where she blatantly puts down Bruce and says she has things tougher than him while he's trying to help her. That scene made Jen look selfish and mean-spirited.
she is looks at how often she groans eye rolls or puts her hand to her face because of her family look at how she hits him with a jeep claps at him and attacks him hulk or not they are family
@@sweeeeeeeeeeeeee Note: She-Hulk wasn't comparing Bruce's personal trauma to her own life. She was comparing the level of control she has over her emotions/transformation based on the level of control she's had to maintain her entire adult life vs what Bruce would have had to do in the same circumstances (Hulk-issues aside). I also don't think MCU Hulk actually went through that trauma involving his father since it never actually came up. Ang Lee's standalone Hulk did, but the only mention of Bruce's father in the MCU was him missing his father's funeral because of Ross and I think some reference to them being estranged. MCU treated Hulk as a separate entity entirely (to the point that he holds a conversation with Hulk in Infinity War) rather than the disassociated personality he had developed as a child. Even if he did have the father problems, part of Jennifer's close relationship with Bruce in comics is that she helped him deal with it when they were growing up so I doubt she'd be referring to that directly.
@@MLM68 jesus christ, if you're going to bother to comment, could you make an attempt at a complete sentence ? even for a youtube comment section that was some gibberish.
The breaking the 4th wall thing could be done as a slow burn like the Grant Morrison run of animal man from the 80s. Great hints and characters learning to the titular character meeting the writer. Would love to see that adapted faithfully
The uploader rambling for 15 minutes straight defending She hulk, overthinking, giving bullshit reasons, when its just simple good or bad. 4:08 hes even comparing it to Mandalorian that has 8.7 rating. What a joke.
I agree with you on most points and I liked the idea of it being a lawyer show but I feel like the lawyer parts were the most poorly written thing and I just wish that part was moor interesting to me Edit: also I think that the big 4th wall break isn't good for a finale and would have been better for the middle of the season and that would have changed the direction of the show or plot
Honestly the episodic format would've been a lot easier for people to digest if it focused on the legal aspect (and the court scenes were better written). And I didn't gel with the comedy for the most part.
I feel you man, like I know it is a comedy/lawyer show but idk I did not feel like it was funny nor it really took the lawyer side seriously. Like I'd like to say that the 70% of jokes don't land, and as per the lawyer stuff I feel like other shows have done the hole ordeal better more serious and smart
This is the biggest issue imo. I would’ve loved a “legal comedy” but that’s not really what we got, I also think Matt should’ve been more present because Marcus is right it was cute seeing them together. & Jen severely needed more things to make her likable. All she does is whine & complain about her life & job, after whining & complaining to the hulk about all she wants is to go back to her life & job.
Honestly my biggest complaint for the show was that I wish it had more law stuff that was taken slightly more seriously. I'm not saying I didn't like there being comedy in the courtrooms, I just wish the legalese was a bit more believable.
The show is terrible, bad story, bad cgi, bad characters/character adaption. There isn't really a thing they do right, so while it's not the worst show ever, it's also inarguably bad as it fails on every level that a show can fail on.
It had a better story than Deadpool, the CGI is fine, the characters are better than in Titans or Arrow. Fragile Broflakes were against it, that's the only issue here.
@@ShadowSonic2 1. Story lacks all substance and the characters lack development. 2. Cgi was seriously bad, go watch Shrek and tell me Fiona isn't animated better than she hulk. 3. Being better than the arrow verse in any regard is not an accomplishment. Use some analytical skills, I'm sure you have them.
The only thing I disliked about the show was how they handled her getting her powers, mostly because I think having some of Bruce's blood smeared on an open wound is significantly goofier than a full-blown blood transfusion. But it also would have been more fun if she had a more challenging time managing her powers, like having her accidental Hulk out or having an episode where she can't turn it off, just showing more of the practical challenges of being a Hulk.
....but that's literally the trope she mentioned in the finale as dumb. The whole blood transfusion, transfer, secret vial of superhero blood nonsense has been told a million times. And the whole "oh I have new powers I can't control properly oops" has also been told a million times. This story tho, it's different, it's a vibe, and it's hilarious
I had the same thought, but then I realized MCU Bruce would never allow someone to get a transfusion of his blood. That was the plot of the Ed Norton movie.
Totally agreed on your CGI point. I thought it was definitely better in the last couple episodes. You could see a noticeable difference. That said, good work! And it'll get better the more they can use her.
I thought the cgi was better when she hulk wasn’t in a bright room like her office or in day light, whenever she was in a dimmer lighted room or at night it looked very good imo
I'm not saying it's the worst show ever made, but it is by far and away the worst show I've ever seen. I feel like those defending this garbage only does so because it alignes with their personal politics, not because the contents of the show has any merit
I liked them making fun of the way marvel becomes formulaic for theit endings i just eished that the ending that comes of it had a little bit more time to play out. Also i had no issue with the she hulk twerking post credits scene and somehow people saw that and said "This is when the mcu died" like what its a character being a person
Just cause the show is actually mid doesn't negate that most of y'all that slapped that dislike button and wrote angry comments likely just mad cause femoid, both this and Captain Marvel are just mid as hell and nobody would have talked as much about them had they not had a woman in the lead role. Its fucking obvious. I miss when shit like Elektra and Daredevil and Catwoman and all that were equally ridiculed cause they're bad and folks weren't randomly spending all their free time making sure the worst reviewed, rated, talked about thing isn't the actual worst one, but the one that scared me cause it had a woman in it.
Thor 2 is also dogshit. And Thor 1 is barely tolerable. Black Panther is the most "meh" movie in the MCU, and the And-Man movies are cute, but very forgettable.
@@literallyvergil1686 I watched it in theaters and completely agree, the script was a mess, but I would still give it a 7.5. Overall an 8.5 cuz it was slightly good but forgettable.
Right wingers are the true snowflakes. Just look at what they care about: Some disney and marvel shows having women or black people or gays. They arent racist, sexist homophobes tho its just a coincidence that they almost always have conservative views.
she-hulk was kinda meh for me which is disappointing/frustrating because it has good bones. she-hulk is a fun character (and they got her right), tatiana maslany is a great actress, and "self-aware superhero lawyer episodic sitcom" is a fun idea. the execution just wasn't that good. it doesn't bother me because it's a terrible show, it bothers me because it could have been much better. also daredevil is my favorite superhero and I (like everyone else) loved the netflix show. that being said, I think they actually did a good job being true to the character (especially for a 1 episode supporting role) while also matching the tone of the show. I've seen a lot of people bring up the waid daredevil run (and you can totally tell between the people who have actually read it and the people who have just seen funny panels lol) and it's true that even though there are lighter versions of daredevil they don't just drop matt's angst and issues (mark waid has even straight up said his new chipper attitude in that run was a facade...the guy was just recently possessed by a demon, avoidance may actually be a better coping strategy at that point). it's a balance. BUT again, supporting character in one episode of a funny she-hulk show where the episodes aren't super long or anything. OF COURSE he's going to match the tone of the show and they're not going to get into all of his issues. all the people who expected him to be angsty and brooding or for the show to dedicate time to his crap are giant idiots. they did daredevil totally fine (and pretty damn faithful to the daredevil of the waid run tbh), it obviously wasn't going to have the same tone as the daredevil show (but even then he still made jokes and stuff). stop complaining. also while I can appreciate them using the the yellow suit for one episode (plus it's kinda cute because it's his first time in the suit in the greater mcu), I never want to see it ever again. the yellow is just not working lol. but they gave him back his billy club with the cord which makes me happy, because him fighting with it is super dope. and I liked the little homages to the daredevil show like the hallway fight or them including the daredevil theme,
It was awful. Ok?? The comics are not the movies and vice versa. The movies are supposed to be on a different level. Not comedy slapstick, surreal shit. This show made the 1966 Batman look realistic and serious .. 😂
SHAAL might be the first MCU project that actually bothers to have standalone episodes that aren’t required to understand the overarching plot, which is one of the great strengths of TV
That bit you said about people caring more about story driven shows than episodic shows these days holds very true, especially for animation. Ever since Gravity Falls and Steven Universe came out, it feels like all people care about are story driven cartoons and like, it's not like those shows are bad, it's just that episodic stuff is great too
@Lucas Alves Exactly. Like that whole Cuphead Show debacle. People complained about the show not being story focused and I was like, "Bruh, the show is based off of old cartoons from the 30s and 40s where they were all episodic. What were you expecting?"
I can love both personally, I can love Avatar: The Last Airbender for its amazing story but I can also love American Dad for the funny antics the characters get into every week
@@christonadams9046 I loved Bugs Bunny’s season long arc where he finally has the courage to say it was duck season and not wabbit season, it really made me cry :(
Sometimes feels like there can't really be a thing like a middling or just mediocre/okay piece of media anymore, everything has to be either absolutely fantastic or complete garbage and a failure based on a weird arbitrary binary
This. She-Hulk was one of my favourite Marvel shows because it was so comfy and secure of itself. It didn’t need to blow my mind, and in not doing so, I really enjoyed it
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One thing I despised about the finale is them making fun of their CGI, which is only scuffed in the first place because of Disney working their artists to the bone and underpaying them, so using their toils for a punchline is just messed up.
Yes, pointing it out isn't exactly addressing the issue.
Hopefully they unionise soon, then the writers won't be making little pot shots at them for being overworked and underfunded
To be fair, the writers don't know that. And the episode is made months before the controversy.
2 little corrections
1) writers are not corporate, they don't run everything through corporate, and they don't make the bad decisions that lead to bad CGI
2) a big reason the CGI is bad is due to the soft features I'm assuming corporate pushed onto the artists. This becomes very clear when you compare her to ruffalo. You can see the BIG difference is the amount of roughness on ruffalo's face, the beard, scars, etc. It adds this level of realness that you can't do with soft features.
Completely on board with coming to the defense of the workers involved behind the scenes in the CGI but I don’t think “making fun of the CGI” was the case, they just said “you are very expensive” and she changes back off screen to be “budget friendly”. That’s not exactly the same as when Taika joked in public about some of the Love & Thunder CGI being rushed and bad
“Seeing Matt Murdock for the first time in years”
Damn Dr Strange’s spell even made Marcus forget No Way Home.
Side note the wildest and most unbelievable part of this show is that the only person to find Jen attractive outside of she hulk form is a blind man.
We saw Matt Murdock for like 30 seconds lol in now way home
I don't think it was that they didn't think human jen was attractive, and more so the fact that She-Hulk just interested and drew them in more, and jen was just boring by comparison.
@@ZenSymphonia Jen was adorable and funny, you shut your dirty whore mouth.
@@ZenSymphonia Also in part what you'll here from a lot of women in their 30's is dating is rough. she is attractive, she is smart and she's confident which intimidates a lot of men so they constantly over-compensate.
@@BelCamryn Men don’t care if she’s smart and confident. They care if she is young and hasn’t been ran through.
“People didn’t watch Ms Marvel cus there were brown people in it”
*Confused in Black Panther*
I don't think racist people watched that either bro
@@omas1178 We are talking about numbers here. Black Panther made a lot more than Thor 3 and Guardians and many people knew that this is a movie with 99.5% black actors.
The problem with Ms. Marvel wasn't the racism.. the problem was so many many stupid and boring shows in Phase 4 and again Ms.Marvel was lazy and boring. People just stopped watching Disney MCU.
@@omas1178 That would still imply that the avarage series watcher is racist
@@legendaresn6983 the loud complaints about woke agendas in marvel as opposed to something like A24 suggests that yes
@@omas1178 So anyone who doesn't like the clear "woke" messaging is racist?
She Hulk is dumb, you guys are just being fine.
wah wah wah
@@brockhambley8557 heres your pacifier
@@brockhambley8557 while you're enjoying your pacifier, I'll go ahead and get your milk ready
@@morgannyan2738 I'll get his milk for him
@Adnan don’t forget his stuffed animal 🧸
Capcom neutered She-Hulk by removing her chainable crouch light kick.
I can't believe it wasn't brought up in the show.
i can agree with this that and her classic outfit
wouldn't it be spayed?
I can't believe they didn't bring up how they added that streetlight back h move to nerf her back throw tech
This is the best comment.
Yeah wtf
The scene where they make fun of the cgi is wonderful because you know they're gonna keep working their artists to death anyways.
That’s genuinely sad to think about lmao
Yet, they had a 6’7” woman on set as “a body reference” for She-Hulk, when they could’ve easily painted her green, have her act as She-Hulk (like Lou Ferrigno in the 1970s) and saved millions of dollars in VFX.
They should quit and become youtubers that rant about movies
Pretty much par for the course with Disney's hypocrisy given what they did with Peter Pan in that terrible _"Rescue Rangers"_ movie despite being the very company who destroyed his child actor in the first place.
I don't see how that's wonderful. Depressing really.
The Contrarian Variety Hour
Literally the reason I unsubbed. I dont think even he likes this show, he just wants to be different
@@es_three232his videos are funny and well edited. Yeah I disagree with a lot of his opinions. But I can still appreciate his vids. Unsubbing cuz someone had a diff opinion is incredibly petty
@es_three232 aww did the big green lady hurt your tiny balls.
@@es_three232If he posted reviews with no context on rotten tomatoes sure. But he actually has videos discussing ‘why’ they feel a certain way about a film or show. Isn’t that like a perk about making videos, you can explain why you fucking like or dislike something, to prove you don’t hate it because everyone likes it.
He makes fucking videos with explanations on why he feels a way on something and there’s brain dead morons who say “he’s a contrarian!” Bro, watch the fucking videos, contrarian isn’t someone who disagrees with everyone. A contrarian is someone who disagrees with everyone FOR THE SAKE of disagreeing with everyone and being different for the sake of being different (what it means today)
@@randomahnameisthename3147it’s not that he has a different opinion, his opinions and statements are either just objectively Wrong or contradictory, either between his other vids and even in the same video
The key problem with this video, praising the concept and ignoring the execution.
Exactly.
The Execution wasn't the problem, certain people simply were out to hate the show from day one.
@@ShadowSonic2 Bro the execution was trash. You can like the show, that's fine, but there's no need to stockholm syndrome yourself
@@ShadowSonic2 because it was predictable.
Shady being based as usual
Season 2 should include a _Chowder_-esque segment where Jen decides to stay as She-Hulk for as long as possible to the point where her CGI becomes increasingly worse until it gets removed completely, leading her actress to work some other job until she gets enough money to get her CGI back.
love the meta
That's not "Chowder-esque" it's basically the exact same joke.
That would be fun. Maybe she has to ask the She Hulk double to paint herself green and replace her?
and you love that
Yes.
Them calling it a law show is a bit of a stretch after realising the writers themselves admitted they can’t write court scenes, especially over arching ones, which is why basically every court battle apart from Abomination is resolved after a single session or 2
Going from Daredevil to She-Hulk genuinely gave me so much whiplash in the legal aspect that it’s still hard to see them in the same show
@@donvalentino9822 especially with The Punisher court battle arc in season 2
They could have just taken it straight from the source material because the writer of she-hulk was a real-life actual lawyer
@@novelenterprise which writer was this?
@@xcalibur2582 the one that wrote the pickle rick episode. I'm not saying it to slander her or anything, this is just what I remember her by.
In a world where movies and shows like Arcane, Battle Angel Alita and Wonder Woman exist people should really drop the "you guys just don't like women" argument.
Almost like it's not audiences being incels but more like the shows being shit
Kill Bill, Terminator 2, Aliens, OG Charlie's Angels. I could go on.
sadly, the argument is still somewhat valid with certain things
@@BlackbirdRX No, it's not. At most you could direct it against a very small minority of people, but not against your average movie watcher.
did i say it could be used against an average watcher? no. i only said that sadly there are times where the argument IS valid@@Angrenost02
It was a bit disappointing that the only real fight she ever had was against the Hulk, everybody else who forced her to use her powers was a joke and then they just ignored the natural ending they had set up to say "showdowns are dumb and CGI fights are too expensive so we're skipping it this time"
I'm genuinely so glad there weren't long set piece fights forced into episodes. Her fight with the hulk was the worst part of that episode. Its just not in line with her character. I would've zoned out if they tried putting more punching in the sitcom about a hot green lawyer who wants to date a nice guy and feel valuable.
Bruh the villains of this show are discord mods and forchan 💀💀
And the protagonist is a typical mid 10s Tumblr user
It’s unironically kind of amazing that the main antagonists are just sexist trolls.
@@edgarjacksby1402 idk about amazing
The villains are literally the friends we made along the way
It’s him!!!
This show actually felt like a show and not a six hour movie.
yeah cause every episode was short as hell
That doesn't make it good
@@cokemaster3710 not much of an anime watcher i presume lol
Are you dumb the show is still bad??
@@cokemaster3710 it did take me by surprise the first week.
This proves that you are without a doubt a Contrarian. I get that it's different and unique, but She-Hulk is far from good cinema.
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Yea it is
Oh damn you subscribe to matt walsh and jordan peterson, are you sure you dont just hate women
But why do u think she Hulk is cinema? Marvel itself isn't cinema. It's entertainment
Marvel is Cinema when they feel like it look at no way home which while it does entertain with action also has a good character development and a depressing story that actually grips at your heart strings
Wow, every single sentence you made was completely wrong.
I was mostly just disappointed that it wasn't really a lawyer show at all. I was low-key really interested in a Marvel legal drama and we didn't get that.
.....you wanted a drama? bruh.. Seriously you clearly knew nothing about the character or the MCU if you thought they were gonna pivot a comedy and border line gag character into a drama.
@@yusei151 I mean most people didn’t even know there was a she hulk character so it ain’t that surprising that expectation’s were all over the place for this show depending on what you did or didn’t know
@@yusei151 My dude, She-Hulk is not a very popular character even amongst comic book aficionados. Is it really so crazy that I expected the "lawyer show" that the show itself was so proud of identifying as to actually be about the law?
Stop trying to stir up shit in RUclips comments and do something productive with your life.
@@yusei151 Devil May Cry has better constructed comedy than She-Hulk and is still able to pull off dramatic moments properly. This show was just absolute trash.
@@almostadonovan yea it is because your not watching a law show this isn’t law and order 😂😂😂what do you want she-hulk to deal with a SA case or something stop it. If you don’t know the character idk do some research you shouldn’t go in expecting something when you have no idea what it is 🤷🏽♂️
"this is not a super hero show, it's a lawyer show"... But the lawyer stuff isn't good either.
the best episodes are stuff involved with lawyer stuff
@@bananaking664 Which are still terrible
this comment right here.
isn’t that what he said? lol
@@bananaking664 not saying much since the lawyer stuff is crap.
Cosmonaut liking she hulk is not surprising at all 😂
Well he has shit taste so that's not surprising, I won't be shocked to see him defend ring of power.
“liking”
I'm pretty sure in an earlier video Marcus mentioned that when judging a show he doesn't care that much about the writing quality. Even if I heard that wrong, wow does this video support that. Most people I know don't like this show because of the terrible screenplay and how it handles existing MCU characters and elements (Wong, Hulk, etc.), not because they hate women or because they simply wanted higher stakes. I feel like you're not getting why a lot of people don't like this show.
I agree but a lot of people just can't seem to seperate their personal bias, when reviewing the show.
The problem is most of those aren’t genuine criticisms when people say them. They’re masking their dislike of a low stakes female led show in their fantasy superhero world. It’s not that hard to understand
Brother i think he said it when it comes to CERTAIN stories, like rogue on needs good writing for characters unlike the force awakens cause of how much smaller scale the plot is, specially considering how it ends.
The main reason I didn't like the show was because we had a lawyer show where the main character didn't win a single case by being a good lawyer and we just get told over and over again that she's a good lawyer but never shown.
She won the Polanski case?
SHe got Emile paroled. ANd when she lost against Mtt, it ha as much to do with having the world's dumbest client as anything
Hey now. We were told Jen Walters is a good lawyer by all of the supporting cast.
@@adrienvillela2934 By having a cameo character come explain away a prison break then escape when this is pointed out to be very illegal. If this show had any thought put into it this would never work
@@amberbetts8098 She, the lawyer, didn't know the product came with instructions? She didn't prep her client or her case. He seemed to readily talk about the jet fuel, did she not discuss the incident at length with him? As far as I can tell, she's just as dumb as her imbecile client
Take a shot each time Marcus says “faithful to the character”
cannot not do that since i do not drink but if anyone wants to make that sacrifice i will buy you a candy bar
@@crawlingboy I'll make that sacrifice lol
Doesn’t matter when the character is shit to begin with
Take a shot any time Marcus has one of the worst takes you’ve ever seen, so far I have died
"it's fine" would destroy you as well
You can’t deny that saying “it’s just not for you”, isn’t a cop out phrase when you’re defending a hated film. Can’t people just “don’t like” without having to justify it. It’s a simple fact that’s it.
NO! You MUST believe what mainstream media tells you, or you're a BIGOT! /s
You cannot just not like something
There has to be a reason even if it is a negative feeling you get
@@squidmanfedsfeds5301
Obviously, it could be as trivial as not liking the acting, and what not. But can people not be crucified and be label something they’re not, just because they didn’t like something everyone likes.
@@luster5497 definitely, I’m with you there
You’re not a woman hater if you didn’t like this show and you’re not a liberal or something if you maybe did like the show
You might be but your opinion on the show isn’t what makes you those things
@@squidmanfedsfeds5301
I don’t understand why people are forcing politics and conformity on TV Shows. It’s retarded enough, then to take it to fight each other on social media is sad
95%+ of the males characters on the show were some combination of being jerks and/or being stupid. Is that realistic? More people would've complained if the sexes had been reversed and rightly so. Being bad writers the only way they can think of propping up jen is to make men around her look bad and turn her into a mary sue who doesn't need the training or experience of her male cousin Bruce 1-2 days after getting her powers. And/or the writers are radical feminists who think 95%+ of men are treating women badly. Have you ever heard a man refer to a woman as an "it" before that happened in an episode? In the comics bruce saved jen's life after she is shot by giving her an immediate blood transfusion with medical equipment he had and she later considered her new powers a gift. In the show that male bastard gives her powers she doesn't want after 1 or 2 drops of his blood falls into her wound while she, seemingly unnaturally strong for a woman, pulls his bulk out of a flaming car.
Her starting off as self centered narcassist who generally uses her powers for selfish reasons rather than to help others made me think there was going to be some character arc where she would later change and be more heroic. That was too hard a job for the writers, in her final episode she ends up pretty much as self centered as in the first with the writers implying that that it is empowering. Also, the writers calling the show's writing bad in a 4th wall break in which they appear doesn't excuse the show's writing being bad.
I do think the speed of them trying to churn out these projects is severely impacting the quality of the projects. Taking more time to streamline the stories and touch up cgi could bring up the quality a lot. True fans are going to wait a few extra months for a better product which will serve characters and world more faithfully
It's only going to get worse. That's the business model now: shit out as much content within the year so the audience doesn't ask questions, consmes product, then gets excited for next product.
@@tagus100 I know I'm so frustrated about this
Yes they're just pumping out content to stuff the machine, and much of it is mediocre.
@@andrewhezekiahdaniel Urgh I hate it there is so much potential but at this point half the stuff they are producing falls so low. It's either underwhelming or clearly flawed. It's so much worse when you can see they have the parts to a great story that you would love to see play out but they just slap it together to get it out and make money as soon as possible
@@cosmicriptid Unfortunately the quantity is unlikely to be reduced for MCU (and Star Wars) content. Therefore they need better writers.
I mostly just think the show fails at the "attorney at law" part. It never shows us Jen as a competent attorney getting the legal upper hand in a clever way or actually show us interesting court cases in this world. Like, none of her cases should've made it to trial. All of the major revelations would be discovered in pre-trial deposition and they'd all likely settle before ever going to trial. None of them were worth going in front of a judge for. The most interesting and engaging one was the divorce arbitration with the immortal man. The legal aspects were pretty poorly done all things considered for a superhero lawyer comedy series. I wasn't expecting law and order levels of realism, but maybe something closer to the legal chicanery of Better Call Saul at least.
I’m not sure law and order is realistic either. It’s justice system propaganda.
Hello there, fellow attorney ;)
@@drewnolde2674 that's fair to say, I suppose I meant the mundane more than realism of law and order in terms of the legal proceedings like juror selections, depositions, evidence review, the justice system from soup to nuts. I know we don't need all of that in our quirky marvel show. But if you keep telling me she's a capable and intelligent attorney capable of working high profile cases, then I do expect compelling opening and closing statements, loopholes and research, and legally challenging court cases. Not junk lawsuits that would be settled out long before a trial.
Yeah, the writers admitted to not knowing how to write court stuff and it would be a lot to someone not already versed in this stuff to come up with real cases that would make it to a trial. I know the Netflix daredevil show wasn't super accurate in it's legal stuff but at least the trials were over big stuff like murder and corporate collusion.
I think people who don't know much, or care much about Law bullshit, didn't really care much if it had realism.
7/10? I didn't hate the show like most people and I think that's still a bit too generous.
honestly 4/10 is still bit too generous
7/10 is average
@@balther10 7/10 isnt average, 5/10 is
7/10 is fine imo
@@Ryuujin3 5/10 is below average.
I didn't particulary like the show, but I didn't think it was the worst thing ever. It had some cringey moments, but it's not supposed to be taken super seriously. It's like a sitcom, so I didn't expect much from it. I'm not big on sitcoms, so it wasn't meant for me.
In other words, one of the first MCU content that is skippable.
Guys guys, you don't get it, it's supposed to be shit on purpose
@@himayamata the first one huh? *cough* Thor 2 *cough* the Incredible Hulk *cough* all the Netflix and ABC shows
@@vinman900 they aint skippable but they are bad. atleast they add something to the plot
its the mcu. if your making a sitcom or comedy show about shehulk just make it a seperate universe 🙀
I have two problems with She-Hulk. In the comics, Jennifer Walters is legitimately a badass lawyer. She's REALLY good at practicing law. In the show, it just doesn't feel like that. She sort of gets lucky all time, rather than her victories coming from her skill. The other thing is that the show is feeding the trolls. I would love to see what this same team would have made, if they weren't focused on, in the words of Jessica Gao, "Trolling the trolls." It feels like letting this small minority of hopeless douchebags set the agenda. It doesn't feel like a victory to me. It feels like they let these losers determine the course of their show. I love Tatiana Maslany as Jennifer Walters. She was even more perfect for the character than I thought, and I was over the moon when she was cast. I do think the tone of the show is very faithful. The whimsey, the wall breaks, the taking the piss out of conventional narratives, that's all great. I just think they kind of missed an opportunity by focusing so much on a small number of hyper indignant dudes, instead of all the other stories about women's lives they could have been telling. Also, I really don't like how Jessica Gao admitted that none of them were any good at writing legal drama. I feel certain that there is no shortage of women writers and lawyers they could have brought in to help with that. I guess they wouldn't have to be women, but if I'm writing a show about female lawyer, I'm gonna be compelled to consult with female lawyers about their experiences.
Yes, exactly, thank you.
But they weren't even attacking any "douchebags". Just anybody who criticised them was lumped under "manbaby hater". And while I don't agree with all the criticisms I've seen (even from creators I like), I assure you they were more nuanced than "show bad cuz woman". To my knowledge, pretty much everyone criticising the show is just disappointed because they were really excited to see the show.
Even though they make up a minority, I still think it’s important to talk about. I’ve never had the philosophy of “just ignore the trolls.” I’ve always liked to address them head on.
Gotta love a show where they assume people will hate this show, write it for the people that hate it, then pat themselves on the back while regular people wonder why there's no story and no good legal drama
I think the issue is being really good at practicing law can come off as boring. The way you evaluate if someone has skill in law is sitting through hours and hours of testimony. I don't know how they did it the comics but I would imagine it was over top and over exaggeration like how a lot of cop/lawyer shows are now a days.
To me it's like asking is "Captain America a good soldier"? Well we don't really see him do the things that soldiers typically do. He sort of given command without any reason.
i swear the only responses i hear from people who watch MCU tv is…
“it wasn’t for me but i can see why people enjoyed it”
or
“it wasn’t the best but it was fun”
Yep
And that’s a problem. We should be expecting more from the biggest fucking studio on the planet. We shouldn’t be content with mediocrity. We should be demanding more from our entertainment, especially from studios like Marvel.
Also, I miss your videos Diesel😢
This cosomaunt quickie wasnt very good, marcus saying people not watching Ms Marvel because it has black people sounds like the gamerboy whine baby to me.
We should be expecting more from superhero content especially with The Batman blowing everything superhero related movie wise out of the water. I don't know why there's such a problem with critical thinking.
WEASEL BATCHES IS BACK 😱😱😱
Marvel Phase 4 is just Pointless, because the MCU should have ended after Avengers Engame.
It should’ve ended after infinity war.
Read a She Hulk Comic I beg you she deserved so much better
In the comics She doesn't act like a deadpool Hulk is not supposed to make funny jokes
@@Nickwilde2295yeah she does. It’s just in the books her delivery is more snarky, cocky, and passive aggressive compared to the show.
@@Nickwilde2295 Didn't she hulk make jokes in the books all the damn time
@@razordad7546 literally constantly, sammy has clearly never once read a she hulk comic
@@outerspaceisalie Right cause it's a comedy comic. That's like complaining about a ghost rider show having horror shit in it.
Instead of always having a weekly marvel show, I would much rather Disney take their time to produce a few good shows in a year. Give artists more time for CGI, give writers more time to flesh out story and make it intriguing
Also get better writers for the genre the show/s meant to be. She-Hulk was a law show and the writers themselves said they don’t know how to write court scenes
We’ve legitimately got to the point where people are praising a show for “feeling like a show”
That’s what this whole review felt like to me
Ikr
He’s just saying it doesn’t even deserve all the hate it gets.
This dude just does reviews to spite everyone else
@@Chadius_Thundercock making up lies for your own merit again huh lol.
This video is the definition of “my opinion is different so it’s right”
congratulations, hypocrisy looks good on you
Same on you too@@BlackbirdRX
@@aidenusmani5882 1, not a hypocrite
2, take a good long look in the mirror
why is it so impossible to fathom that some people just genuinely didnt think the show was good
Edit: Since my comment has clearly continued to cause some confusion, because I was not very specific, I will clarify: This comment is not directed at the user who uploaded this video in any manner. Rather, it was written in response to the topic (in a section of the video) of why some people may or may not like the show, and that he gets that. My question was more like "why can't other members of the Marvel fandom reasonably understand that it just isn't some people's taste, like this guy does, and not attack them for simply not liking the show?". Again: I am 100% aware he personally addressed this topic himself, my comment is not directed at his personal commentary or views presented in the video. It is a general, rhetorical question, over the topic of the discourse surrounding the show across the internet.
...did he not address throughout the entire video that he understands why some people didn't like it for logical reasons?
@@Anxioustate he did. I suppose I could have been more clear. it's just a general statement towards a lot of peoples attitudes around those who don't like it. generally pointed more at *some* of the comments in this video and the comments on Marvel subreddits
@@BluBearGaming ah I gotcha, misunderstanding on my part
bro wtf si you talking about he just pointred outr why some critisms are dumb he said the show isnt for everyone
@@ivanbobanovic chill out and take a moment to read the comment I left responding to someone who said the exact same thing you just did.
She-Hulk actually does the one thing I wish the other shows did, which is making disconnected episode. A lot of the other shows aren’t even shows they’re just chopped up movies with a bunch of extra fluff to fill in the 30 minute TV show quota. She-Hulk is more akin to the old animated cartoons where each episode has it’s own individual story & I can appreciate that.
I mean I guess but despite that there was no Arc for She hulk she didn’t change from the beginning at all
It has no story
The word you're looking for is "episodic".
This I picked up on as well. At first I didnt like the show because of this reason, I didnt feel connected to each story and I found it odd an MCU show didnt have an overarching story or plot points. In retrospective though, I actually thought She-Hulk was fine. Looking at it as it is and not as I expected it to be really helps. Also on that note, this show is not for everyone. I’m looking forward to season 2
edit: I WILL SAY THOUGH, some of the writing was really awful, especially in the earlier episodes. A lot of it came around, but this show deserves better writing for sure.
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Wrong lol
The main thing that I took issue with throughout the show were the allusions to a "larger plot" about people trying to steal Hulk powers. And I'm very glad the payoff to all of those plot threads was for Jen to just throw it all out at the end.
@@spideyguy3315 this kind of ending is literally what the show is making fun of 😂
@Venture Forth Yeah. That shit was dumb af
@@spideyguy3315 no. Just save it for the movie. Or the thunderbolts cameo. Legal comedy sitcom means it's not supposed to be taken seriously
@@spideyguy3315 you didn't watch the video, did you?
I think the show really needed to integrate the 4th wall breaking more regularly, then that ending would have been pitch perfect.
It takes alot of inspo from Fleabag but the reason Fleabag works is the the 4th wall breaking happens almost all the time and ties into it's core theme and character arc. I think that's why my fav parts of the She-Hulk series was never the 4th wall breaking.
You know seing cosmo simp to the show isn't really that surprising, but seriously I'm still wondering how could you make such shitty claims? "Boohoo misogynist hate this show"okay? You do know that there are plenty of movies with a female lead, a perfect example is wonder woman, yet the reviews are actually great, compared to others with a lead actress like she-hulk and captain marvel, And Yeah wonder woman overpowers everyone including men, Which by your logic hurts a man's feeling, but you know why that movie was well liked? Because they didn't make her a dislikeable or annoying person instead a very humble and polite character and because the story was actually not that bad. Problem with shows like she hulk and Velma is that the show wants you to like characters who are annoying or dislikeable.
Finally!
Someone who's speaking the same language.
Edit: Not literally, i meant like,
the 'same spirit'. LoL
How is Tony stark is likeable when he isn't humble or polite 🤔
@@SA_586 he learned humilty and to not be such a dick, unlike she hulk who’s still a sexist narcissist
@SA_586 . Because he went from being an asshole, and selfish billionaire to a hero who tries to help people and ultimately sacrificed his life to save the world. (A very dynamical character indeed which shows struggle and development)
I'm not saying being humble and polite (and very caring) are the only things that make characters likeable, you don't exactly have to make your characters polite all the time (cecil, but he's a pretty interesting character but he acknowledges that he's an asshole anyway)
I applied those traits specifically to wonder woman, which were shown in a pretty believable way, but also because she's not cringy like other mcu chicks, and is not a perfect character who has no weakness, her weakness being of course caring for others, besides she's pretty badass too.
My point is that she-hulk is a horrible example of how to write an empowering female character. (Same goes for Ray, but that's for shitty character development and being a pretty boring character too)
@@FOAB-Carlos based
Sure there are some people who were over triggered at the show - but it's clear their focus was on making she-hulk the she-boss rather than trying to write an interesting character arc. The whole story was all over the place and the end was just a bad attempt at subverting expectations.
I agree with what you say about the ending, but She-Hulk 100% had a character arc throughout the show. I think it could have been done better, but acting like her arc of learning how to control her anger just didn’t exist simply isn’t true.
@@itschris1364 how does she "control her anger" exactly or come to terms with her identity? She gets angry at some dudes posting videos of her in college, smashes the monitor, gets arrested and that's it. There was no arc of learning to control her anger.
Better examples of characters whose arc revolves around controlling their anger or coming to terms with different sides to their personality
. Shoto Todoroki
. Katsuki Bakugo
. Akiza Izinski
. Zuko
. Rocket Raccoon
. Literally every Persona character
. Gaara
@@Animestar21 So did you just skip the episode where she went on the spiritual retreat and talked to other superheroes about their problems? Or the scenes of her talking to Daredevil on the rooftop where he calls her out for causing property damage and she realizes she needs to control herself? We just skip those bits?
@@itschris1364 and yet she still causes property damage and tries to justify it by saying, "she was angry"
We just skipped that bit?
@@Animestar21 She was literally called out for that, it was presented as a character flaw. You wouldn’t criticize Tony Stark causing massive property damage in his movies because he was called out for it and realized it was wrong. The same happened here, what are you missing?
Hearing Marcus speak about this show and noticing how much he knows the character is very wholesome and refreshing on this circle of hell we live in. It would be nice if it wasnt for the fact that Marcus is A CONTRARIAN!
He definitely knows more about superheroes than I do lmao. That’s probably why I found the show kinda boring.
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Huh? He made it patently obvious he didn't read the comics and knows little about the character. "This IS She-Hulk!" No Mark, it isn't, being funny isn't the same as being a joke. She-Hulk has always been a somewhat humorous superheroine who is also a lawyer, and before the last decade she barely lawyer'd.
Hell going through his other videos he only has a passing knowledge of MOST fandoms he talks about.
@@goldbondshaq5369 Don't doubt yourself, I found the show boring too and thought this video was a massive miss for cosmo.
@@baltic1940 dam theajority seems to disagree.... guess your opinion doesnt matter then
I like that She-Hulk felt like a tv show and not a movie stretched out to be a mini-series
That's definitely fair, but I still think that it had weird identity crises between what style of TV they were going for. Like it goes back and forth between a traditional marvel product, quirky sitcom, serious drama, etc. Just pick one lane and go for it imo
@@msaadah1223 I did feel that with the first two or three episodes but I think it hit its stride after that.
@@msaadah1223 I'm watching the Harley Quinn show right now and if Marvel really leaned into the episodic nature I think it could've been something special. Maybe even make it animated as well
facts. I love lawyer shows. Kinda felt like Ally Mcbeal with super powers
ooh! yes, good point!
4:36 I dunno if _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ is the best example to use in defense of TV shows that "don't spend all season building up to a main villain who is then defeated"
_Buffy_ may have been quite episodic (more so in the earlier seasons), but literally every single season had a main antagonist whom Buffy had to defeat at the end, and a lot of the episodes served to advance the main arc of each season.
Season 6 is somewhat different because the Trio doesn't do much and none of them is the "Final Boss". But their actions directly lead to Tara's death which results in Willow going Dark and becoming that season's "Final Boss".
Likes She Hulk but hates Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. Checks out.
This guy’s taste is in bizarro world 😂
Cosmonaut Variety Hour: *I'm not a contrarian*
Also Cosmonaut:
This show is objectively bad at a plethora of things that make up good tv shows
@@truz8134 your favourite show sucks
@@truz8134 bruh, there's no such thing as "objectively bad"
@@jml_filmes There is objectivity of being "bad" and "good", only Westerners that got brainwashed by postmodern thinking are claiming otherwise
And postmodern French philosophers, the ones that formulate relativism on every single thing, even at determining values, tend to have, very interesting perspectives on the affairs of children (as in age of consent on intercourses)
@@jml_filmes wrong
Well, if it’s a lawyer show, the court room scene’s really should have been written better. Just throwing that out there.
As of this moment, this video has a like to dislike ratio of 40k/22k.
Shows you how many intelligencia members
I want more episodes serialized like the Magician and Frog Man. I haven't even watched Daredevil, I just want sole court cases that don't get distracted from a "big picture". I just want an entire season of Law & Order serial episodes for small-time vigilantes.
Then watch Daredevil
The Sopranos spoilers were so unexpected, but it was probably my favorite joke of the show. I’d have been pissed if I hadn’t seen the whole thing. I thought him having Long Term Parking on was just a cute nod…but they full sent it and it was hilarious
I have never watched it and I swear to god I only remember that the spoiler was that somebody was killed (which I expect from that series) and I have no clue what name it was. So I think if I ever decide to watch that show, I‘m safe 😅
Watching through the sopranos, this show spoiled it for me. So yeah, kinda pissed and the joke wasn’t even clever
@@zikilovesgenesis You had over a decade, you don't get to be upset. King Kong dies at the end, Rosebud is a sled, the Godfather's sequels aren't as good! Besides, if you didn't spend a bunch of energy on seething about how you were spoiled you wouldn't even remember the spoiler by the time you got to it. By now you've certainly made sure to engrain it into your memory as a time you "were wronged".
@@1Seanmb You seem like a toxic, bitter piece of shit who's speaking solely from experience with that last sentence. And who the fuck is "seething"? He literally just said it irritated him and it wasn't funny. That's called an opinion, and the only one seething about opinions is you. Grow the fuck up and spend less time on RUclips, it might be good for you. Puberty's just around the corner, Sean.
@@1Seanmb well if I’m currently watching the show and I hear 2 important character deaths, that is quite hard to just brush off. As for your first point, I wasn’t even alive when the show came out.
the she hulk finale was amazing representation for white women (she resolved the conflict by taking to manager and getting everyone arrested)
Best take I've heard so far
LMAO. So true.
She doesn't look white to me.
such a women thing to do, to communicate, so annoying right? Instead she should kill and threaten ppl like a real superhero
@@theonlyduck You're close. She's outsourcing the threatening and killing to men like rich white women always do
Cosmonaut the Contrarian comes through again…
I love episodic TV shows like Seinfeld or B:TAS, but I gotta admit that I prefer a mix of serialized and episodic storytelling. Something like A:TLA, Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, or Clone Wars, does both perfectly.
That line you said about how some people believe episodic shows are pointless really resonated with me in terms of cartoons. Seems like every cartoon needs to have some kind of mystery set up, needs to comment on a very sensitive issue related to the protagonist, or a complicated storyline that needs 3-4 seasons to properly tell.
THIS!! I remember last year when Disney's new cartoon, The Ghost and Molly McGee, was shown to be a musical comedy and people were asking the creator on Twitter when the show was gonna get "darker", when the whole point of the show was that it was supposed to be light-hearted. People were so conditioned to see shows like the Owl House and Amphibia, also on Disney, were more dramatic with higher stakes that they automatically assumed every show after would be the same, as if variety amongst programs isn't a thing. As someone who prefers more slice of life and comedic shows that don't show children in danger semi-regularly, it's really disheartening to see that every cartoon has to be "adult" just to get taken seriously
Yeah, that's even Lampshaded by Jennifer herself in the climax.
The whole focus of the show (in her vision) was her acceptance of both of her sides and living with it.
But the problem is that this show set up a main plot then just chose not to deliver on it.
Mysteries, interesting protagonists, and complex plots are interesting. A status quo and shorter, less complex plot lines are generally less interesting
Episodic isn't necessarily bad, but there's a reason we moved towards the first. You get much more attached to the characters. Episodic is ok for comedy, but that's because pure comedy can be boring on its own for all those reasons.
@@user-dc5xe9tv7n Shows like star vs the forces of evil would've been perfectly fine if it kept with the episodic adventure comedy. But once it started focusing on issues like racism and fucking relationships, it just went downhill from there.
I tried getting into this show but its hard to get into a Legal Show right off the heels of Better Call Saul and not match it's level of care and writing.
in what world would She Hulk and Better Caul Saul be comparable?
@@ceeb420 in a Legal Eagle tier list rating legal shows
This show is bad, cant even watch 8 rating series , She hulk is 5.
@@ceeb420 They both sell themselves as legal shows?
your right. but endgame was better than breaking bads first season, so over all it works out.
every criticism in this video is hypocritical in relevance to some of your past videos
i wonder how you missed your own hypocrisy there
Bro gave it 7/10. What in the world?! I love low stake tv show, but she hulk was a terrible one..
Just because u hate the show doesn’t mean he has too
@@XXX-sl4vk No, its because he's defending a show that's straight ass
Also, his criticisms make no sense or don't add to why this show isn't that bad
Bro.... When EVERY dude around her is either an asshole jerk or a incompetent wimp, it shows more about the viewpoints of writers on men than the character itself.
and the only nice dudes are basically as women have described harmless then you can really tell how they see men
Anyone who starts a sentence with "Bro" should never be taken seriously.... just saying....
Ehhhh really? Daredevil? Bruce? Her dad? Her coworker? Hell even Abomination is just a normal therapist dude. Idk about you but just cause people aren't walking around as either gigachad or basement dweller doesn't mean they aren't normal functional members of society. This hyperbole shit is literally just you finding ways to magnify shit that made you mad in the first place so you can get mad some more. Chill out.
Exactly! Except Daredevil. And Pug. oh and Bruce, Blonsky and the therapy group and the date guy...oh and Wong. but other than that EVERY MAN WAS AN INCOMPETENT BOOB!
Good thing Wong, Pug, Hulk, Daredevil, the doctor she hooked up with, and even Wrecker in the therapy episode (after he had reformed) were none of those things. So I guess it shows that there's guys who are good and not so good? Man, are you guys even trying?
Also I loved the group therapy session. While the characters were comedic, they didn't treat the idea/concept of (group) therapy as a joke. And as someone who has spent years of his life attending sessions like that, it felt nice.
Felt like the way they all balked at Porcupine when he finally took off his mask was rude as hell though. Talk about fucking someone up the moment they get comfortable.
I dislike because it's the opposite of therapy, they literally tell her how great she is, when she questioned why people don't like her human side.
Therapy is about self reflection, not enabling.
@@sundowner4076 Go rewatch that episode. There is plenty of Self Reflection
yes they did
@@sundowner4076 you're subbed to cinemasins don't act like you know ANYTHING about film criticism 😭
another day of watching this guy defending bad content and criticising everything else
It's not surprising to see him simping over this show.
what makes something good or bad anyways? its just an OPINION
@@corypl22 If someone's opnion is that racism and genocide are good does that mean that opnion is not bad?
@@indie_gamer7 ok smartass what defines good or bad since u want to give me such an obsurd example. anyways IN THIS CASE, his OPINION is harmless and has nothing to do with racism and genocide so now please if u could stfu. and if u cant stand someone else having a different opinion then u when it comes to what kind of media u enjoy then hop off the internet for while since ur so weak
The fact they made Jen so unlikeable, making a joke out of what Bruce went through
Wdym
@@thatmovienitpicker8070
"I'm an expert at controlling my anger because I do it *INFINITELY* more than you"
That one line killed this show in my opinion and nothing in the following episodes convinced me otherwise
@@Animestar21yeah but it’s clear with Bruce’s facial expressions that this is supposed to be a flaw for Jen that she needs to grow and learn to abandon, the problem is that they never do that.
His videos nowadays "The internet said this but I think.."
Bro fr hes the physical manifestation of "I'm not like other girls" of content creators.
An important thing to mention: ”The internet said this or that” part is completely made up
I took issue with how she is rude to people and the show never depicts it as wrong. She outright invalidates Bruce's struggle in life when she obviously has had it easier than him. It mirrors a broken philosophy that women must be rude and brash because that's seen as powerful
Yeah, you can have character flaws without the character being extremely unlikable.
She doesn't invalidate his struggles. She was pointing they go through various things he will never go through that hurt her and invalidate her as a human being. It's why bruce never interupts her, because bruce understands that.
@@reggiefreeborn2143 Yet the irony in that very scene is that she says that she can handle anger better than him while getting angry Bruce is the last guy she should talk to about the struggles of controlling anger.
@@BigTorr704 exactly. they’re purposely not realizing the hypocrisy of explaining bruce’s area of expertise to Him 😭 when that’s what’s she’s complaining about. The writing isn’t good
lol no she didn't
this video has "why y'all booing me?! I'm right!" energy
To the people calling this a "lawyer show" have you ever seen ANY other lawyer show?
they really have not at all
This is the MCU fandom we're talking abt right?
I mean it's a lawyer show. Just not a good one by any means.
This man will never stop adding fire salts to the cauldron and I'm here for it
Fire salts to the cauldron? Are you an 1800s poet?
@@frogwithaflaregun4792 either that or they play a lot of skyrim
This comment section singlehandedly proves why the show's 33% audience rating in rotten tomatoes and 5.2/10 rating on IMDB is entirely accurate and not just review bombs from trolls.
i mean its all neckbeard basement dwellers crying about muh women, doesnt prove shit. i as someone who doesnt spend my life getting mad at women online didnt get the fuss and why yall act like a bunch of babies. i really hope you grow out of it and meet some women. ofc you can dislike the show, its not great but its very far from deserving of all this shit. its kinda funny they made fun of the neckbeards in the show
@@khalxd1991 Nice strawman argument lol. Even Cosmonaut agrees the vast majority of people bashing She Hulk hate it for reasons that are not "muh women",. Those are the people he addressed in this video and are also the people who take up most of the comments.
@@ragingshibe And those reasons are still shallow and silly.
no it doesn't. lmao what?? "this reactionary outrage PROVES that the reactionary outrage was justifiied!" stupidest mfers alive istg
@@ShadowSonic2 How are they shallow and silly.
One thing I will say, as someone who has not read the she hulk comics and went into this with just a blanket mind not caring for the comics, I was frustrated a lot. Whilst I agree with your reasonings in terms of arc and how it played out, it does have to be said, episode 3 completely ruins it. I was on board from episode 5 onwards and thought it got better till the finale which I just rolled my eyes cos I more or less knew a dunking was coming
While on the topic of an arc. An arc is about a character changing due to development. What actually developed with Shehulk? She can do everything she could at the end since the beginning and her pov and opinions also haven't changed
@@legendaresn6983 to me, there was an arc, it could be seen on episode, the setups were there in episode 4 and 6. She began trusting and in the final episode the trust was broken and because she was a bland generic character, she became paletteable for the viewer who experienced being led on for an ulterior motive relate. The subversion is my frustration. I get the meta commentary just fell flat though there were layers of that coming in episode 3.
We just need female protagonist with actual good writing. ''This is a show about lawers"" written by people who have no idea how court scene works
Lawyers *** you edited this comment and you still spelt it wrong
U didn't watch the show
She is well written, he even in tye video demonstrate it, argue against that! It seems like u havent even heard the video
@@benjacarrasco9447 these ppl are bad faith idiots that will hate watch just to cry about nothing or hate something they never play or watch. Heck the majority of the haters not oy didn't watch a single episode but they aren't even fans of comics or mcu stuff at all
@@benjacarrasco9447 mate, even Lucy from the movie Lucy is far better written than this, despite being a mock up parody and comedy of what it's like to achieve more than 10% of brain power with the main character (lucy) practically losing her character ever since she gains the plot goal
She-Hulk should literally be taken as seriously as Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law
Now that’s a cameo I’d love to see.
so lets laugh at her being catcalled then
Yeah it should but it won't be as good either way
Or a movie
Best cartoon ever made if you ask me. Other than The Real Ghostbuster, OBVIOUSLY.
It was bad even for a comedy show, but saying it's the worst thing ever is exaggerated.
I never thought I’d ever dislike a video of urs 😢
same lol
I'm not that invested in she hulk or the manufactured outrage surrounding the show, but by god if they ever make a Squirrel Girl show they better do it justice
“Manufactured outage”
Ah yes a shitty show being criticized is just all made up to make people mad. Sure buddy
Squirrel Girl could be amazing of they were self aware of her being a Mary sue and poked fun at it.
@@spacebook8923 But the whole point is that it's not SHITTY, it's just mediocre. You cannot reasonably tell me this show is on the same level as Eternals in comparison to other Marvel productions. The MCU has just raised standards SO MUCH to the point where a harmless show caused an outrage simply because it's mediocre and has a female protagonist as a stereotypical "girlboss" like the video said. It's not sexist to like the show, and yeah, it does have problems and annoyances, but it really is not objectively "bad" by any means. The outrage is manufactured because it's a FORCED outrage--there's nothing inherently wrong with the show in comparison to literally anything else Marvel has made, other than it not having big ramifications for the MCU like Wandavision, Loki, Falcon and Winter Soldier, or Hawkeye.
@@revolv8379 I think the fact that the show wanted you to be invested in it only to do one of the least funny 4th wall breaks to tell the audience that the show is complete ass and that the writers had no idea what they were doing is what makes it so bad.
“Our audience thinks the show is ass? Well we did that on purpose. Aren’t we so smart?”
Yes I know She Hulk originally did 4th wall breaks, but it seems so insulting for the writers to tell everyone that the show sucks balls and they are geniuses for pointing that out. It’s not funny at all and just squashes any investment in the show
@@spacebook8923 I hated the fourth wall breaks throughout the show. The first couple were fine but I thought the continuation of them were unbearable. The fourth wall break ending was so jarring and random, but it weirdly worked for me, mostly because like the video said that I agree with-there was no real overarching villain like the rest of the marvel shows. People expected a big epic fight to break out because it’s normal for marvel movies and shows, so they forced one in the finale (where it didn’t belong). It wasn’t about the show being shitty with no build up, it was about the supposed expectation of writers bosses and the audience of a big climax when it’s not always necessary in lower stakes environments. Sorry for ranting, and I’m not trying to say you’re wrong lol I just find it interesting
I don’t care about the low stakes or lack of a story. I care about the fact that the show just isn’t funny or well written. The show literally rewards Jen for being a bad person. Not to mention the extremely lazy finale
Also the only good law scene in the entire show was the one with Matt Murdock. The daredevil episode was actually pretty good
Thank you, someone who puts in two seconds of thought is actually in this comments section .
Nah I’m racist sexist and homophobic so I just don’t like this show
My problem with this show is how shallow it is. It doesn't go anywhere below the surface in the law part, or the fighting, or the She-Hulk, or the comedy, or the growing character, etc. I mean, imagine a hobby that her character likes. See? It's such a shallow character, that she doesn't feel actually real. Tatiana was the only thing that saved this show.
I kinda disagree with the point about her hating on men because when it's the other way around people get pissed the fuck off like if you gender reverse the show it would get cancelled
@@reina8284 bruh what no, I understand the history behind it but we shouldn't be normalizing sexism the other way around politics have nothing to do with this, we should all treat each other with equal respect regardless
@@reina8284 I could say the same thing about men most men who hate women either are unattractive and have terrible luck with women so they begin to resent them or they've been cheated on that applies to both genders, and this entire show just shits on men the whole time and makes us all look like pigs, we're suppose to feel sad when she false advertises herself as she hulk and the guy doesn't like her when she goes back to normal when you specifically showed yourself as a false persona of course they aren't gonna like you
@@reina8284 her character development doesn't really change she just meets daredevil and gets laid, her whole character arc is getting laid through out the show and being sad when the guys aren't interested after
@@reina8284 she's also incredible arrogant towards Bruce in the beginning of the show when she says she doesn't need help managing her anger when Bruce was hunted down by the military for 10 years, watchwe his dad murder his mom and abuse him for years so I think Bruce knows way more about managing his anger and has had a much harder life
I never usually laugh in Marvel shows or TV. but Bruce saying "I'm a different person since Harlem, literally" and Jen going "hah" at the audience, alluding to Edward Norton's Hulk, made a genuine chuckle escape from my mouth. I love the 4th wall breaks.
That was pretty funny, and it works in universe. I'm just so fucking glad they're referencing TIH again I fucking love that movie
@@kp1x the mcu can be lighthearted and still be good, the problem is the studio is pumping out half assed garbage in half the time they used to, so the writing is going to shit
@@benkrauss5041 all they have to do is add a couple inside jokes and some 4th wall breaks and then people will defend the product to the death “you just didn’t understand the meta jokes”
You’re the type of person who laughs at fart jokes in movies, of course you loved it. Bot.
@@benkrauss5041 Because they know they can half ass it and make just as much money
I think the problem that people had with She-Hulk always stems from that one scene where she blatantly puts down Bruce and says she has things tougher than him while he's trying to help her. That scene made Jen look selfish and mean-spirited.
she is looks at how often she groans eye rolls or puts her hand to her face because of her family look at how she hits him with a jeep claps at him and attacks him hulk or not they are family
this scene perfectly represents how disney writers feel about fans of the original material from before they bought it.
@@sweeeeeeeeeeeeee Note: She-Hulk wasn't comparing Bruce's personal trauma to her own life. She was comparing the level of control she has over her emotions/transformation based on the level of control she's had to maintain her entire adult life vs what Bruce would have had to do in the same circumstances (Hulk-issues aside).
I also don't think MCU Hulk actually went through that trauma involving his father since it never actually came up. Ang Lee's standalone Hulk did, but the only mention of Bruce's father in the MCU was him missing his father's funeral because of Ross and I think some reference to them being estranged. MCU treated Hulk as a separate entity entirely (to the point that he holds a conversation with Hulk in Infinity War) rather than the disassociated personality he had developed as a child. Even if he did have the father problems, part of Jennifer's close relationship with Bruce in comics is that she helped him deal with it when they were growing up so I doubt she'd be referring to that directly.
You’ve completely described yourself as one of the people he’s explaining in the video with that statement.
@@MLM68 jesus christ, if you're going to bother to comment, could you make an attempt at a complete sentence ? even for a youtube comment section that was some gibberish.
Watching this video feels like watching a kid trying to revive his --dead-- bunny
Worst show ever? No
Horrible show? Yes
The Magic Hour. Late night talk show with Magic Johnson was the worst show ever. But She Hulk IS close 😜
True, probably not gonna win Worst show ever when it's competing against Rings of Cringe and Velma. Solid bronze though.
The breaking the 4th wall thing could be done as a slow burn like the Grant Morrison run of animal man from the 80s. Great hints and characters learning to the titular character meeting the writer. Would love to see that adapted faithfully
ok
good idea
ok
The uploader rambling for 15 minutes straight defending She hulk, overthinking, giving bullshit reasons, when its just simple good or bad. 4:08 hes even comparing it to Mandalorian that has 8.7 rating. What a joke.
Love that comic.
I agree with you on most points and I liked the idea of it being a lawyer show but I feel like the lawyer parts were the most poorly written thing and I just wish that part was moor interesting to me
Edit: also I think that the big 4th wall break isn't good for a finale and would have been better for the middle of the season and that would have changed the direction of the show or plot
Honestly the episodic format would've been a lot easier for people to digest if it focused on the legal aspect (and the court scenes were better written).
And I didn't gel with the comedy for the most part.
I feel you man, like I know it is a comedy/lawyer show but idk I did not feel like it was funny nor it really took the lawyer side seriously. Like I'd like to say that the 70% of jokes don't land, and as per the lawyer stuff I feel like other shows have done the hole ordeal better more serious and smart
This is the biggest issue imo.
I would’ve loved a “legal comedy” but that’s not really what we got, I also think Matt should’ve been more present because Marcus is right it was cute seeing them together. & Jen severely needed more things to make her likable. All she does is whine & complain about her life & job, after whining & complaining to the hulk about all she wants is to go back to her life & job.
The directors said somethin about how they dont know how to write lawyer stuff.
Even the writers admitted that lmao
So I watch a superhero show to not see a superhero. So pretty much we got scammed
How much did marvel pay you to make this?
Honestly my biggest complaint for the show was that I wish it had more law stuff that was taken slightly more seriously. I'm not saying I didn't like there being comedy in the courtrooms, I just wish the legalese was a bit more believable.
I wish there were more cases. Less Wedding episodes and more Leap Frog.
Yeah I wish they removed that pointless wedding episode & just made it another case episode
I think the writers admitted that they suck at writing law scenes so that's why they weren't that many or as long
Or they could have made Night Court or Harvey Birdman in the MCU.
Marcus really woke up and chose violence and I could not be happier
I mean, is he wrong tho
@@bemysty how lmao
@@hagman1579 Read that again but SLOWER.
@@bemysty yes he is
Yes, but insulting your own audience repeatedly tends to just hurt yourself in the long run
The show is terrible, bad story, bad cgi, bad characters/character adaption. There isn't really a thing they do right, so while it's not the worst show ever, it's also inarguably bad as it fails on every level that a show can fail on.
The only show I can think of that is worse than this is The Following
It had a better story than Deadpool, the CGI is fine, the characters are better than in Titans or Arrow.
Fragile Broflakes were against it, that's the only issue here.
@@ShadowSonic2 1. Story lacks all substance and the characters lack development.
2. Cgi was seriously bad, go watch Shrek and tell me Fiona isn't animated better than she hulk.
3. Being better than the arrow verse in any regard is not an accomplishment.
Use some analytical skills, I'm sure you have them.
@@spicyladjr3650 tbh I liked it but reasonable
@@spicyladjr3650 1) No more than Deadpool
2) CGI wasn't bad
3) It's still better.
Try again
Guys stop being cringe while I make a cringe video about you guys being cringe.
Nah his video is correct you are just a clown
The only thing I disliked about the show was how they handled her getting her powers, mostly because I think having some of Bruce's blood smeared on an open wound is significantly goofier than a full-blown blood transfusion. But it also would have been more fun if she had a more challenging time managing her powers, like having her accidental Hulk out or having an episode where she can't turn it off, just showing more of the practical challenges of being a Hulk.
Ok but the show was utter garbage
Only thing lol 😆😆😆
....but that's literally the trope she mentioned in the finale as dumb. The whole blood transfusion, transfer, secret vial of superhero blood nonsense has been told a million times. And the whole "oh I have new powers I can't control properly oops" has also been told a million times. This story tho, it's different, it's a vibe, and it's hilarious
@@morbincentral3607 Keep crying. It's working.
I had the same thought, but then I realized MCU Bruce would never allow someone to get a transfusion of his blood. That was the plot of the Ed Norton movie.
Madisynn is truly the most powerful person in the MCU. I’m sorry she hurt you. 😔
If she’s not in the next Doctor Strange movie then I’m not watching it
She is cringe incarnate and I was hospitalized because she gave me an aneurysm, so yes, she did hurt me and my wallet
@@lazerstudios9982 they probably prescribed you copium, too. 😔 Poor dude…
There is nothing wrong with the guys: She-Hulk was an ab-so-lu-te sh*t show!
Totally agreed on your CGI point. I thought it was definitely better in the last couple episodes. You could see a noticeable difference. That said, good work! And it'll get better the more they can use her.
I thought the cgi was better when she hulk wasn’t in a bright room like her office or in day light, whenever she was in a dimmer lighted room or at night it looked very good imo
Obviously the first and last episodes have more money put into them because they are necessary viewing
@@ajforever101 YUP! Same thing. Darkness helps hide all CGI blemishes.
She was rendered using sims 3. It’s friggin horrible. But hulk looked good so what the crap is happening???
I'm not saying it's the worst show ever made, but it is by far and away the worst show I've ever seen. I feel like those defending this garbage only does so because it alignes with their personal politics, not because the contents of the show has any merit
I'm glad Marcus is finally fully embracing the contrarian
I liked them making fun of the way marvel becomes formulaic for theit endings i just eished that the ending that comes of it had a little bit more time to play out. Also i had no issue with the she hulk twerking post credits scene and somehow people saw that and said "This is when the mcu died" like what its a character being a person
Just cause the show is actually mid doesn't negate that most of y'all that slapped that dislike button and wrote angry comments likely just mad cause femoid, both this and Captain Marvel are just mid as hell and nobody would have talked as much about them had they not had a woman in the lead role. Its fucking obvious. I miss when shit like Elektra and Daredevil and Catwoman and all that were equally ridiculed cause they're bad and folks weren't randomly spending all their free time making sure the worst reviewed, rated, talked about thing isn't the actual worst one, but the one that scared me cause it had a woman in it.
“You only hate the female protagonist shows”
*coughs in Thor 4 and Doctor Strange 2*
Thor 2 is also dogshit. And Thor 1 is barely tolerable. Black Panther is the most "meh" movie in the MCU, and the And-Man movies are cute, but very forgettable.
Doctor Strange 2 was good what are u on
@@djibouti2136 Lmfao it really wasn't.
@@djibouti2136 nah it wasn't, it had great direction because Sam raimi is a master of his craft but the script is a mess
@@literallyvergil1686 I watched it in theaters and completely agree, the script was a mess, but I would still give it a 7.5. Overall an 8.5 cuz it was slightly good but forgettable.
Hope you feel better soon Marcus. Sounds like this cold won’t leave you alone.
The cold gaslighted him into liking the show
@@vcc947 Shush.
Probably that covid he claimed was a hoax
@@vcc947 stop
Right wingers are the true snowflakes. Just look at what they care about: Some disney and marvel shows having women or black people or gays. They arent racist, sexist homophobes tho its just a coincidence that they almost always have conservative views.
she-hulk was kinda meh for me which is disappointing/frustrating because it has good bones. she-hulk is a fun character (and they got her right), tatiana maslany is a great actress, and "self-aware superhero lawyer episodic sitcom" is a fun idea. the execution just wasn't that good. it doesn't bother me because it's a terrible show, it bothers me because it could have been much better.
also daredevil is my favorite superhero and I (like everyone else) loved the netflix show. that being said, I think they actually did a good job being true to the character (especially for a 1 episode supporting role) while also matching the tone of the show. I've seen a lot of people bring up the waid daredevil run (and you can totally tell between the people who have actually read it and the people who have just seen funny panels lol) and it's true that even though there are lighter versions of daredevil they don't just drop matt's angst and issues (mark waid has even straight up said his new chipper attitude in that run was a facade...the guy was just recently possessed by a demon, avoidance may actually be a better coping strategy at that point). it's a balance.
BUT again, supporting character in one episode of a funny she-hulk show where the episodes aren't super long or anything. OF COURSE he's going to match the tone of the show and they're not going to get into all of his issues. all the people who expected him to be angsty and brooding or for the show to dedicate time to his crap are giant idiots. they did daredevil totally fine (and pretty damn faithful to the daredevil of the waid run tbh), it obviously wasn't going to have the same tone as the daredevil show (but even then he still made jokes and stuff). stop complaining.
also while I can appreciate them using the the yellow suit for one episode (plus it's kinda cute because it's his first time in the suit in the greater mcu), I never want to see it ever again. the yellow is just not working lol. but they gave him back his billy club with the cord which makes me happy, because him fighting with it is super dope. and I liked the little homages to the daredevil show like the hallway fight or them including the daredevil theme,
not reading all that but good for you or sorry that happened
@@d-man8126 never understood caring about a long comment enough to reply tbh
@@HPGIRL1109 you must be great conversation...
It was awful. Ok?? The comics are not the movies and vice versa. The movies are supposed to be on a different level. Not comedy slapstick, surreal shit. This show made the 1966 Batman look realistic and serious .. 😂
@@HPGIRL1109 and yet here you are replying to me. I guess we're all fools.
SHAAL might be the first MCU project that actually bothers to have standalone episodes that aren’t required to understand the overarching plot, which is one of the great strengths of TV
That bit you said about people caring more about story driven shows than episodic shows these days holds very true, especially for animation. Ever since Gravity Falls and Steven Universe came out, it feels like all people care about are story driven cartoons and like, it's not like those shows are bad, it's just that episodic stuff is great too
I watched those shows before the narrative was even taken off and felt completely episodic. I really enjoyed them.
@@BlazingKhioneus Same. Even for Amphibia for me. I loved the episodic feel the first season gave off
@Lucas Alves Exactly. Like that whole Cuphead Show debacle. People complained about the show not being story focused and I was like, "Bruh, the show is based off of old cartoons from the 30s and 40s where they were all episodic. What were you expecting?"
I can love both personally, I can love Avatar: The Last Airbender for its amazing story but I can also love American Dad for the funny antics the characters get into every week
@@christonadams9046 I loved Bugs Bunny’s season long arc where he finally has the courage to say it was duck season and not wabbit season, it really made me cry :(
Sometimes feels like there can't really be a thing like a middling or just mediocre/okay piece of media anymore, everything has to be either absolutely fantastic or complete garbage and a failure based on a weird arbitrary binary
This
Did you see Ms Marvel? It was so middling and mediocre that no one talked about it, its like it didn't even happen.
@@Krackerjax I loved it! I’m South Asian though.
@@Krackerjax I’m also literally from the same area in Canada as the actress so I’m biased 🤣
This. She-Hulk was one of my favourite Marvel shows because it was so comfy and secure of itself. It didn’t need to blow my mind, and in not doing so, I really enjoyed it