How Marvel RUINED HULK
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- Опубликовано: 3 июн 2024
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00:00 intro
1:07 The Incredible Hulk 2008
2:21 Hulk 2012
3:17 Hulk Age Of Ultron
3:43 Ragnarok (The Decline)
4:38 Infinity War
5:42 Professor Hulk
Outro Music: Out And About by David Renda 
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Ruined the hulk is an understatement
From the movies to the comicbooks, the Hulk was turned into a jobber instead of a hero. Hulk is the 13th strongest one there is! doesn't have the same ring to it.
Overstatement
Bannerhulk merge wasn't bad but they never used him in the final battle in Endgame.
@@leadnsteel1428 It was bad
@@LegendXD00 true. and they also ruined Thor and never used Ant Man much either.
They turned the Hulk into a overgrown Care Bear!
At least the commentator, at the end of the video, had a viable way to fix The Hulk. How in the world would you fix what they've done to Thor?
@@MarkRosendorf Shoot bro I think just about the whole Marvel roster needs to be overhauled with the exception of Spider-Man. That’s mainly because he’s technically a Sony property.😂
I heard that Lou Ferrigno hates what the MCU has done to Hulk.
Wouldn't surprise me
Probably why im he didnt return to voice him after avengers 1
I mean I think everyone but marvel hates what they did to the hulk.
Edward Norton had the perfect Bruce Banner/Hulk cause he’s unstoppable like a real monster he is
Exactly, he understood the character. Ruffalo is just a yes man that will do whatever they tell him.
That's why they rid him. He wanted the Hulk to be dark like the comics but they said he was difficult to work with. The same strategy companies used against Henry Cavill when it came to the Witcher.
A green winnie the pooh 😅😂
You know it 😂
My husband was livid on the drive home from Thor Ragnarok bc he said not only did they bring the hulk down to being roughly the same power level as thor, but he said the whole arc on Sakaar meant there would never be a stand alone Planet Hulk storyline in the MCU.
Unfortunately
Your husband isn't a man if he gets livid over fiction.
@@Mr_Cinematic Thor is more powerful than the Hulk. Sorry.
No he's not. Hulk is definitely more powerful Sorry.
@@LegendXD00 Take of your green-tinted glasses and you'll see that you're definitely long. Hos @$$ was too scared to come out and fight Thanos and Thor whupped his @$$ in Thor Ragnarok.
He became Shrek without the accent
Wish he had that accent
He kinda looks like Shrek now do I think about it.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios right?
Dont insult shrek like that
His downfall started in Ragnarok and it got worse in endgame and continued to get worse in she-hulk
facts. the guy who made thor 1 made Thor a badass. should been him to direct Ragnorak
Ragnarok was complete trash, Waititi is an unfunny hack
@@FUh_Que_- yep the russo brothers fixed him in infinity war but then fucked him up even worse in endgame and then love and thunder just completely killed the character
I started to dislike the hulk after ragnarock , not because they made him talk more , but because it felt goofy and out of character imo
i think ragnarok was the best thor movie 🤷
@Detrevnl23 as a movie it was great , i just think a bit of the movie should have toned down the goofy , cuz hulk was kinda treated like comedy and thor was treated like a comedian ... wich i felt like isnt thor 😔, but out of all thor adaptations this one was the best untill they destroyed thor on endgame and afterwards
@@see2remember i think it is thor though, at least chris hemsworth's portrayal of him. i think the first thor movie really set that he was a comedic character and dark world kind of ruined it
@Detrevnl23 i mean , we dont talk about dark world 🤣
But i agree , and imo i kinda prefer the first movie thor as a character and his character ark could have continued as normal , but the difference of comedy from the first thor and ragnarock thor is this:
1st thor = funny cuz he doesnt know human things , so he breaks stuff and talks wierd , that was good imo
Ragnarock thor is more of a stand up comedian type , he jokes the marvel way like every other character in marvel nowadays 🤣
What sucks about that is that thor kinda fell in the category of literally every other "tony stark wanna be funny quips"
Idk tho , i kinda just liked old marvel movies more ... until avengers 1 was a masterpiece , then it started fading , age of ultron was wasted potential of ultron , civil war was a masterpiece, but everything afterward kinda meh
@Detrevnl23 i mean , we dont talk about dark world 🤣
But i agree , and imo i kinda prefer the first movie thor as a character and his character ark could have continued as normal , but the difference of comedy from the first thor and ragnarock thor is this:
1st thor = funny cuz he doesnt know human things , so he breaks stuff and talks wierd , that was good imo
Ragnarock thor is more of a stand up comedian type , he jokes the marvel way like every other character in marvel nowadays 🤣
What sucks about that is that thor kinda fell in the category of literally every other "tony stark wanna be funny quips"
Idk tho , i kinda just liked old marvel movies more ... until avengers 1 was a masterpiece , then it started fading , age of ultron was wasted potential of ultron , civil war was a masterpiece, but everything afterward kinda meh
2008 hulk had the best scenes and camera view.
That Hulk… scares me.
What Disney did to The Hulk is character assassination at it's absolute worse... And I'll always fucking hate them for that!
My theory is Disney doesn’t like savage Hulk because Hulk is kinda like a horror movie monster… so they just made him a nerd .. 😂… the worst part of that is it came out of nowhere…. There wasn’t even one scene about how Banner merged personality’s with Hulk ..
You can thank Universal for that
@@SNESfan8 Yeah, that's the part that really bothered me. I assumed that the merger meant Hulk would lose some strength and rage, and maybe Banner lost some intellect (though he's still way above average). But it would have been nice to at least have a singular, short scene explaining the process a little, and demonstrating that the new version of Hulk was somewhere in between the two extremes of Banner and Hulk.
He just became "Strong Guy, that likes to dab and take selfies with kids".
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If what they did to Hulk is character assassination (and I do agree, it is) then what do you call what they did to Thor? We could argue all day which character was destroyed the most...and in the end, we'd both be right.
told you, Disney ruins everything
Everything they touch smh
You asked what characters needs to be fixed? I say Marvel needs to be fixed. Period!
as long blackrock put they wingers in media games movies etc
nothing will change
To be fair, who hasnt Marvel ruined, in Cinematic or comics.
Scott lang
Yeah but nothing to the level as the hulk has been. Hulk is still a charter in the MCU now that hasn’t showed his true power.
Most characters
The hulk by far…he is the most masculine character so they got to bring him down because he is “toxic” according to the libs.
Yeah...
Adding to Infinity War, it was really annoying when Hulk entered, hit Thanos once or twice and then just tried to strangle him? Why would he not just keep punching him? Seems like he was barley trying....something I noticed on my last re-watch.
we can all agree that if ed norton was still the hulk to this day marvel couldn't turn him into a laughing stock like the current version we have today.
I feel like he still would have left at some point due to creative differences
Hulk was too masculine. Disney doesnt like that.
Hulk and Thor were absolutely obliterated because of Endgame. They pushed both characters so far outside of who they are.
They really did. It's insane because they were the two strongest Avengers
Ahh look at me, I'm fat Thor, ahhhhhh. All my character development meant nothing!
@lazylank such a waste. Not only that but they also wasted his over arching story of trying to be a good king. In Endgame he hides from and eventually completely abandons his own people. Leaving in charge some slavery who never regretted the things she did for the Grandmaster. All this after just learning about the importance of Asgard as a people and not just a place. What a waste. Awful garbage writing.
Tried explaining this to someone the other day but they kept defending it.
@rhyslightning3037 same, happens everytime I bring up any issues I have with Endgame.
Hulk is basically Shrek at this point
Yep
Glad you think so too
The instant I got out of Infinity War I was pissed, their BIGGEST movie to date with almost every major character in the series still alive, and they completely leave out one of the original avengers and most important characters.
Fun fact about Avengers Endgame: After Black widows death, Smart Hulk does not make a single quip.
Another fun fact: Banner was the only avenger to defeat a black order member without any outside help.
Professor Hulk could've been a badass in the MCU. Imagine he did martial arts training with Cap during the blip, and he also went into combat with giant guns like in the comics. So much wasted potential man 🤦🏾♂️
And it felt unearned as well.
Felt very lazy
That would’ve been so much cooler.
That would've been crazy to watch.
To me, Disney emasculated the Hulk by Endgame and have no intentions of changing him.
Hulk now is no more than a circus strong man.
Interesting take. Lol'd at a certain Black Widow related comment. Good video. While I've still generally enjoyed the Hulk in the films there are so many missed opportunities. And that's really the problem with rushing to the team movie format. The Hulk is a rage machine and it is that unrestrained explosion of rage that the viewer can identify with. The cathartic ecstasy of releasing that pent up anger that most of us cage throughout our daily existence. Even Ang Lee's Hulk got that right. Well, Hulk, The Incredible Hulk, Hulk vs., and Planet Hulk. At least we got those.
And Avengers too, I suppose.
I'm a huge Hulk fan and, like a lot of my other favorite male characters, to say he hasn't been done justice is hyperbolic.
They made a giant green simp.
You are talking straight facts here MCU has destroyed the Hulk
“I want less hulk monster and more green mark ruffalo” said no one ever.
1. Disney bought Marvel in 2009
2. They Never made a Hulk Sequel. We will never see "Leader" in action.
3. As movies or time pass by, they make Hulk weaker than weaker.
4. He gets his ass whoop by Thanos easily, and never to be seen again in Thanos War.
5. Hulk's official sequel now comes with a new female character named "She-Hulk"
To be honest I do like She-Hulk but Bruce gets to chill outer space, they basically buried him.
IDGAF what anyone says or thinks, I still stand by the fact that I’ll GLADLY take Hulk (2003) over the MCU Hulk ANY DAY!!
Same
Having Hulk lose to Thanos was a terrible idea WTF was marvel thinking
Hulk got beat by Abomination but he didn’t just give up, throw a tantrum and say Bruce should handle it. He got his resolve and started using creative ways to get the upper hand
Why would Hulk suddenly regress after fighting Thanos? You can’t tell me he’d be okay with his allies getting slaughtered and not wanting to do anything to help, especially after he allegedly ‘matured’ during Ragnorok. That’s just character assassination because the filmmakers didn’t know what else to do with the character.
Even the merged Brulk creates something as beneficial as a device that can make you age or de-age, yet something as groundbreaking as that gets turned into a throwaway joke like the rest of the character himself
You make a very strong point
Professor Hulk should still have Hulk's physical attributes. Thats my only gripe.
The intro 😂🔥🔥😂
IMO Mark Ruffalo is a good actor but he is no Hulk or bruce banner.
Agreed
They turn hulk to shrek
They already have a terrifying Hulk for MCU next called She Hulk.
Lol true
The russo brothers even said they didn't know how to write for the hulk and its ridiculous because hulk has so much potential it was a missed opportunity in endgames finale but instead they gave him a messed up arm and comic relief
It was also a slap in the face when he showed up in the infinity war trailer but disappeared completely in the beginning
Yeah, it makes no sense that they wouldn't at least try to come up with a plan for the Hulk. He's one of the original Avengers, and he's an essential part of the team. They did a great job with those Avengers movies, but the Hulk was a missed opportunity.
Nah, it was a Marvel/Disney decision, Not a Russos decision. If Marvel/Disney weren’t the ones that made that call, they would’ve fixed it by now.
Its better to be honest than lie look what they did to characters they knew to write...chefs kiss.sees to me they know how to write street Level characters
0:27
Changed their Leadership? King, Bob Iger is still in Charge.
It was Bob Chapek for a little while before they brought back iger
I agree with everything you said. They have disrespected the Hulk. I don't think.Stan Lee would have liked the idea of taking down the Hulk in a few seconds and downgrading the Hulk. The Hulk should get a rematch with Thanos. The writers could have done much better than make the Hulk gonoutbof character. The fightbwas stupid and cheaply done.
I mean him losing to thanos makes sense from a story telling standpoint as it shows how much of a threat thanos is. But yh it probably should have gone on abit longer and hulk should definitely not got scared of thanos we all know hulk believes himself to be the strongest there is so he would never back down from anyone
Disney ruined Marvel just like Star Wars
Idk if you knew this but. In comics we seen Bruce's own persona in Hulk form while battling Thor. Bruce was cocky and hungered to fight more. However he was still... ANGRY! The typical Hulk thing we all know and love.
Still hoping for an Eric Bana Hulk vs Wolverine in the upcoming movie 😤
That hulk would tear him apart
As far as this fan is concerned, the Hulk no longer exists in the MCU.
Agree with everything you said. TBH the MCU was dead to me from Infinity War. First of all making Hulk go AWOL, and then in Endgame neutering Thor from what he became in Ragnarok. Oh yeah, they snipped Vision too in Infinity War. A pattern there......
I'd rather they had Thanos kill Hulk in Infinity War - make it a bit more brutal, Hulk maybe makes him bleed and then Thanos destroys him - would have been better than them ruining everything about Hulk after Infinity.
I haven't heard any theories that Marvel Studios is going to kill off Skaar when they're clearly setting up the Young Avengers, but there is a way to use Skaar to further Hulk's character. Ritson's final act in Secret Invasion is to "declare all off world species enemy combatants" as Ritson wants the government to "find and kill every last one of them." Since Ross will replace Ritson as President in the MCU in Brave New World, Ross will still work with Ritson's act especially when he finds out that Skaar was born off world. If Hulk sees the man who ruined his life attempt to kill his son, he'll finally return to the savage Hulk or unleash the World Breaker.
That still sounds better than what we have currently
Blame the 'woke' crowd. By Endgame, they already felt the need to make the most powerful heroes females, and by 'She-Hulk' we all knew she would be the boss babe who was far superior to him in every way.
I'm glad I am not the only one who noticed a slow, yet steady decline in the Hulk's powers and abilities as the MCU wore on. I think that Avenger's Hulk is the strongest (even stronger than what we saw in "The Incredible Hulk"). The Hulk from the first Avengers, once he put on the infinity gauntlet, would have been able to rip Thanos in half. Instead, we have a Hulk who barely survives the reverse Thanos snap.
I don't know what Disney/Marvel's plans are for the Hulk, but I do understand the need to resolve some issues in his character such as finding a way for Bruce to be The Hulk, yet still retain some level of control. Stories require character arcs, which means character growth. You can't keep having The Hulk as a rampaging uncontrollable menace, over and over, because then the story would stagnate.
In some of the comics, they did introduce a "Grey Hulk" which was a less angry, more intelligent, though less powerful version of green hulk. It was never really clear what would trigger this transformation, and I think the writers mostly used it as an Ex Machina to avoid the same old rampaging just-as-dangerous-as-the-enemy story line.
It was never really made clear, but I assumed the Nerd-Hulk version we saw in End Game was a re-imagining of Grey Hulk. The movies never really explain it, but I assume that the merging of the two personas meant that both sides lose something. Hulk loses some of his incredible strength, and durability, and Banner loses a bit of intelligence and also undergoes some resultant personality changes.
The comparison to Superman is interesting. I never really cared much for Superman, because he had no real weaknesses other than an eccentric millionaire (or now billionaire accounting for inflation), and a tiny green rock. He was boring. Hulk on the other hand, was also all powerful, but had to contend with his rage that made him a threat to his friends and loved ones as much as to his enemies. That was interesting.
It's a shame to see Hulk reduced to just "Strong-Man", but I feel as though this was all so Disney could phase him out, without having to kill him off.
Great video, by the way.
Aang Lee's Hulk has it's criticisms but I got into Marvel movies as well a Sam Rami Spider-Man back in the day.
Having Hulk lose to Thanos was a terrible idea WTF was marvel thinking wtf i was pissed
Mark is the one of the reasons
THE INCREDIBLE HULK IS THE BEST HULK MOVIE
I knew we were screwed when they gave us 20% of world breaker hulk
Lets not forget that hulk is supposed to be stronger than captain marvel. The more a fight goes on the stronger he gets, is supposed to be how
fights with the Hulk are supposed to go. They need to stop nerfing characters so hard.
Bob Iger isn’t much of a change in leadership when he was in charge before and created many of the problems we have now.
I hate what they did to Hulk and Thor, Ed Norton's Hulk was great, and I can't stand what they did to Loki. Loki is a bad guy, the God of Mischief, NOT a sympathetic antihero. And I can't stand Mark Ruffalo, he cucked the Hulk long before Marvel Studios did.
Imo feige nerfed hulk so universal to avoid a sony/spiderman situation and regain the rights to the hulk easily
No lies detected, as a Hulk fan i would have to agree
Personally i think the Eric Bana Hulk should count as the beginning of Hulks tale. And he was far more bada** in that movie... from the guy who made Brokeback Mountain.
Seriously, is no one ever going to give Ang Lees Hulk any credit?? We got the best General Ross imaginable in that movie
I remember that was the first comic book movie I saw in the theater and that hulk terrified me 😂
@@Mr_Cinematic Yeah and Sam Elliots General Ross could terrify people
04:24 This is the whole problem with all the Marvel Movies, they make too many jokes, even the cartoon for the kids was more seriously then the movies for adults.
What should of happened in infinity war is that Hulk should of smashed all of Thanos' armor off before Thanos uses the power stone to knock him out. Thanos just takes off the armor in the next scene anyway and it would show how powerful the stones are.
That's nothing. Did you see what they did to Mar-Vell, the OG Captain Marvel in the Captain Marvel movie?
Marvel nerfed Hulk.
We want the beserker Hulk
I prefer even the Ang Lee Hulk over the Marvel Hulk.
I guess to fit the storyline for the arrival of Captain Marvel they had to find some way to sideline the most powerful characters, emasculate Hulk and make Thor an overweight fatass.
I think the main problem is undersaleing his power for story purposes. So many times when ever they needed a character to have a feat they use the debasement of the hulk as that feat. Him getting trashed and helpless against thanos and never getting his angry vengeance is the perfect example.
For some reason thors power level keeps going up and hulk got no moments where he is simply the unparrelled in his strength and rage for the team. There are so many narrative tools they could have used to keep him around his overpowered strength level while still telling a compelling story but they didn't know what to do with him. They fundamentally didn't understand writing his rage power up into the narrative, as proof of this he got his professor hulk form when they needed his strength the most. Even in the comics that is his weakest form because he doesn't have access to it.
Professor Hulk is the weakest of the Hulks. It makes sense that they had more Banner and less Hulk at that point. With that said, the Hulk Vs Thanos fight should have been a much longer fight, for the audiences sake.
When the MCU began, my own affinity for Iron Man aside, Marvel had exactly two A-list characters in their arsenal: Spider-Man and the Hulk. I really liked The Incredible Hulk, and right now the cast of Captain America 4 is the _only_ thing that has me at _all_ interested in that film. But since the first Avengers film, Hulk has been ludicrously toned down, and Marvel clearly hasn't had a game plan in mind for Bruce's future since Age of Ultron; no end goal at all. Everything about his role in that film reeks of Whedon not knowing quite what kind of arc to give him, while simultanously asking us to just sort of forget that his fundamental cast of characters from his world and his movie even exist in this universe.
What they did in Infinity War could've worked in the end if we'd seen him come back from it in Endgame. But it's not even treated like an arc. Instead, we get an all-out brawl with all the MCU heroes, and if there's a scene with Hulk in there after showing us that he's at least physically present (thanks, Wong), I missed it entirely. THAT is frustrating as hell. In an all-out physical offensive with the atomic integrity of the universe at stake, Hulk should by all rights be the guy we see MOST of, one arm or not.
I'm not even gonna start with She-Hulk. I got two episodes in and gave up. That ending is one of the laziest things I've ever seen; I get full-on "they're not even trying" vibes. Like...Dallas' infamous "last season was all a dream; here's Bobby alive in the shower" routine was less creatively bankrupt than Skaar's introduction. And no, you can't just kill him off and expect any of us to care about it, either. I'm not even sure I could buy that *_Bruce_* would care. "Oh, look. I have a son. Oh, look. He's dead now. Wellll...ThAt JuSt HaPpEnEd!"
If this is the level of give-a-fuck that _Marvel_ has about things, how the hell are any of _us_ supposed to be invested in this?
This video right here is on point. The Hulk is my 3rd favorite superhero and to see how the MCU has massacred my boy.... Awesome video. Can't wait to see more 🔥
I appreciate it 🙏🏼
They turned my favourite character into a green wimp
I wish the mcu took a more dark approach to most of these movies, and shows, much like justice league. She hulk was an abomination as a whole. Hulk has been taking nerf after nerf
You forgot to mention that during endgame he was basically benched by the team and was sent as a messenger to The Ancient One.
They turned him into a coward.
Soft simp
7:17 this took me out 😂😂
So far 6.6K views and 113 comments. You are on fire🔥🔥👍
Thanks! Wasn't expecting this many views 😂
one of the reasons why i left the mcu. gunn's dcu has alot of promise.
I hope so!
thank you for this video, couldn’t have said it better myself 🙌
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you 🙏🏽 for this video
I gotchu
Personally, I preferred Norton's Bruce Banner. He's arrogant, quiet, and solitary. Betty's the only person he genuinely likes or will even consider listening to. Everyone else is either useful or an enemy. But he does care. Deep down. Ruffalo's take on the character is too friendly for my tastes.
Now that the mouse owns Marvel I don't think you're ever going to see a Hulk that kills.
What Marvel ought to do is develop a movie based on The Incredible Hulk #181 and let us have a fight between Hulk and Wolverine! This way he can kill Wolverine since he'll just mend and come back for more.
They don't even have to follow the comic verbatim... just a knock down bashfest, hell, they could even throw in Deadpool for good measure like they did in the animated short "Hulk vs Wolverine".
These days, Hulk is no longer the monster, just a big clown and jokes
So you may not know this but I was told by several women that boys would watch hulk then use "blacking out" to excuse their rage outbursts. Which is literally what hulk represents. So they had to stop that immediately. Hulk is basically your drunk uncle. Superheroes are for children, not clear thinking adults.
Don't hulk out and drive
She hulk trailer where she was twerking, and then now seeing that they gave hulk a kid….the cringe levels are lethal high
Bring Norton Back
You are spot on wirh this..
Well yeah thanos had the power stone so it makes sense that he was able to beat him
Did a terrible job in avengers he moved like a gorilla. He was depowered with that age of ultron hulk busta junk
Great vid. Mark Ruffalo sucks balls. One of the worst castings in MCU
LOl @ a green Winnie the Pooh is an understatement.
they did that to the winter soldier as well too completely nerfed
Great job on the videio.
Thank you!
The Hulk’s best appearances in MCU: The Incredible Hulk, The Avengers and Age Of Ultron.
Yoo I like this channel your videos are amazing
Thank you so much!
The reason why we get hyped for the shitty releases is because of the actors and love for the characters in general.. mcu ruining shit has nothing to do with why we get hyped… we’re human🤷🏽♂️
DISNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop flipping throwing Marvel under the bus for DISNEY'S BULL CRAP AGENDA!!!
Finally the fans of the Hulk
are speaking out on how much they have screwed up a character
Fans have been doing this for awhile mo one likes this version of hulk like at app
If you've read the Hulk's recent comic runs you'll truly love the character even more. The comics actually gives both Hulk and Bruce Banner justice. The Immortal Hulk run by Al Ewing is the direction Marvel Studios needs to go with the character. In that run we are introduced to the Devil Hulk. A personality of the Hulk that comes out at night and is way smarter than the Savage Hulk we all know. Devil Hulk was actually the first persona Bruce ever manifested when he was a child. Representing all the damage his father caused him. Devil Hulk is the persona Bruce feared the most. He speaks and thinks like a normal adult, but he is ridiculously strong to where Thor says he's something close to a God. And that's how that persona got the nickname of Devil Hulk.
While people want to see a rampaging and mindless Hulk again, I want to see a smarter and more sinister version of the character in live action. That thinks before he acts and comes off as an apex predator that hides in the shadows. Like the factory scene in the 2008 film.
I'll have to check it out!
Us savage Hulk fans demand change! 😤
Truly a failure indeed.
I love Infinity war and endgame but I'm still very angry that big monster Hulk is never seen again throughout the whole movies and endgame I hate it Professor Hulk what the f*** is wrong with you writer's directors you just didn't want to use that big hulk anymore shame on you I wanted to see more hulk smashes to all those villains