Captain returning all the stones (and hammer) is not a story we need, but it would still be an interesting story to see anyway. How did Cap rebuild the tesseract around the space stone? How did he return the mind stone without the scepter? How did he get the reality stone back into Jane? Even an animated "What if" style series of shorts explaining this stuff would be a fun watch.
Exactly. Steve created alot of problems and a huge plot hole(s). Him staying would have been a different timeline so how did he end up old back in the original? Lots of problems.
@@MasonNoThumbs Yeah, most likely he got help on the way from people like The Ancient One and Frigga, who were already aware of what was going on to some extent. Still would be nice to see that play on on screen though.
@@terrycherington8533 he was meant to stay behind as the TVA didnt pull up on his front lawn and he didnt have to yell get off my lawn like a 70 year old man
Red skull got disembodied and drained of ambition while given connection and deep understanding to all souls in the universe. Empathy Hell as I see it.
Steve rogers returning the stones could be a Disney+ series! each episode could be him returning 1 stone per-episode and the finale is how he ended up just staying in his own period of time and grew old and shown up in the bench at the end of end game. so he knew loki broke the secred timeline lol i edited this this comment to say after carefully examining you're comments that someone petition this idea! we need to know.....that thought alone..im sold
I’m sure Red Skull would be somewhat happy to see Steve Imagine 80 years on Vormir the only interactions he’d have were doomed souls searching for power (a reminder of his past self) I’d imagine any face he knew would be a pleasant surprise even if it’s the face of his enemy
@@shyicidep4438 I honestly believe he retained his memories and consciousness. He seems to lament his fate and the past that brought him there when speaking to Thanos and Gamora. Even when speaking to Nat and Clint he exhibits self awareness of both his and others' fates, and seems to be genuinely remorseful of the scrifices they are required to make. Or, that he cannot make such a sacrifice himself.
@@adam4747 Red Skull would probably have felt thrilled to see his old enemy, as he was alone for so long, but would also bring him such sadness to see his enemy still succeeding while he ultimately failed while sealing his own fate...a beautiful & tragic encounter i would love to have seen onscreen
I can see him speaking highly of Widow to Cap. Everyone who sought out the stone made a sacrifice...to achieve for themselves, she was the only one to sacrifice herself to achieve for others. That would be nice.
Akshually! Does sacrificing yourself count as a sacrifice? I would understand if, at the last moment, hawkeye let her go, but since he didn't do it, well, where is the act of sacrifice?
I'd like to imagine that when Steve went back to return the soul stone the "soul for a soul" rule would have been flipped.... instead of him sacrificing what he loves most he would instead receive what he loves the most in exchange for the stone... I feel like that would explain how old Steve could have existed during the main timeline without becoming a variant version of himself
It would be a bit of a funny "twist of the knife" if Steve showed up to return the stone still holding Mjolnir. He had succeeded in harnessing the power of the gods where Red Skull failed.
I actually think him seeing the Red Skull is what prompted him to go to Peggy Carter. Knowing his enemy is trapped in regret and unable to live a normal life out of his control would make Cap realize not to waste opportunities given to him.
i also think that if Steve and Peggy had a daughter there is only one name on that list (not Natasha because it's the 1950's and the red Scare was a thing but maybe Nattalie wich is the europian version of the same name)
I think Cap would have pity on RS. Just look at how different he is from the man he once fought. Trying to become a god, RS lost everything. He's literally a shadow of his former self. All his hopes and dreams from the 1940's are long gone. Cap would have to see parts of himself reflected in Vormir RS. It would be hard to miss.
I have always liked to think that the reason the red skull is stuck there is because he showed up to get the soul stone and had nothing important enough for him to give up, therefore he can never leave until he values something enough to sacrifice it. This inner search has been what has enlightened him through the decades. Also, I believe it was the planet, as the guardian of the stone, that required the sacrifice and not the stone itself
I always like the thought that he jumped thinking he'll survive and gets the soul stone. He seems like the kind of guy who would sell his own soul for power
@@KorkaSprings8 I like that... But what if that the soul stone has a fail-proof programmed into it so that anyone who sells their soul must be doomed to protect it? I like that head canon.😊
The Soul Stone sacrifice required was distinctly personal to the one making it. Returning the Soul Stone would likely render whatever "soul" that Steve Rogers loved most available him. He didn't love N. R.. more than anyone else. I suspect it would have been the opportunity to restart his life post WW2 with whom he loved most, Peggy Carter.
It'd be cool if he asked about Natasha and red skull replied with ask her yourself, activates the soul stone and sends cap to the soul world to have a conversation with nat letting her know they won.
@@bingo_bongoismyname3894 with that reasoning hulk and Tony shouldn't have been able to use it either.... they didn't give up shit. Just go with it...I made it up in 5 seconds on the internet. It doesnt have to be made canon.
I would have thought when returning the soul stone rather than ‘taking a soul for a soul’, it would provide one but not with Natasha. I think it allowed cap to have his old life back with Peggy and would mostly explain why the tva didn’t prune him during that time.
tva didnt prune him cause tony stark already made time machine and already dead cause thats what only kang needed for his tech watch and not captain america
We have to remember though that the TVA had explicitly said that the Avengers going back in time and stuff was meant to happen. So by proxy, that would include Steve's return to Peggy.
Yeah the TVA only prunes those who mess with absolute points in time, such as Loki grabbing the tesseract and freeing himself. That wasn't supposed to happen, at all.
That was a dope scene in *Avengers Infinity Saga* of *Captain America* going toe-toe with *Thanos* in *Wakanda.* The facial expression *Thanos* made as Cap was showing hard defiance was priceless a beautiful well played scene.
Thor Ragnarok is one of my favorite movies in the MCU. So many memorable lines. I find myself saying "Because that's what heroes do." at least once a week. As well as "Mmm is he though?" So glad they freshened up his character. The first two Thor movies and his presence in the first two Avengers movies were pretty bland imo.
Cap: " aye bro bro wassup?" Red Skull: "shit, guarding infinity stones" Cap: " shiiii I can't even get kidney stones 😂" Red Skull: " at least you can try to 😂😂😂"
I think he just got humbled. Contact with the stone gave him some level of cosmic awareness. Like dipping his toes into the waters of the secrets of the universe, just a little. A mortal mind would be completely humbled by this.
Absolutely. On Earth he used the Nazi Party and Hydra as catalysts to gain what he considered to be ultimate power. The Soul Stone and Tesseract demonstrated power far beyond anything he could imagine or hope to achieve. Even without that, we have seen how decades in isolation and imprisonment in Spandau destroyed the mental health of Rudolf Hess. Imagine being trapped not on the outskirts of Berlin but on a distant, uninhabited planet...
Cap returns the Soul Stone. The Ghost says: "The Stone for a soul, a soul for the Stone. Choose now." Cap chooses Natasha Romanov, secretly returning her to the MCU.
Steve's first and most important trip would have been to the house of the Ancient One. Steve does not have the ability to return the various stones to the forms they were in when first taken. For that he would need the assistance of the Sorcerer Supreme. On Vormir, I imagine the skull would greet him by name, and by the name of one of his parents. They would peacefully reminisce, briefly, and then Steve would pull out the Soulstone, shout, "The price is too high!" and then cast the thing back into the abyss. The music would swell, the heavens would open, and Steve would find himself laying alone in a pool of tears, empty handed. After climbing back up to the plateau, the skull would gently chide him. "As I told your associates, the exchange is everlasting. Sadly, there is no way to bring her back. I am truly sorry, mein old freund." "It was worth a try," Steve would reply. The skull would nod, then wish his old frenemy a safe and productive journey. After all the stones had been returned, his last stop would be to Wakanda to ask a favor of T'challa. At his request, Shuri would respin his vibranium shield on a webwork of adamantium filaments, rendering it truly indestructible as it should have been from the beginning. Wouldn't do to hand a flawed shield over to his friend and successor, would it? Then, his duties complete, he would finally yield to temptation and go off to seek romance and happiness in the past with the young and beautiful Peggy Carter.
In Asgard just moments after Thor and Rocket had phased out, Captain Steve Rogers phased in. Queen Frigga greets him, "I assume the quest that you and my son from the future were on was a success?" "Ma'am I cannot tell you, but how do you...?" Steve would ask. "As my son Thor knows, I was raised by witches. I see with more than eyes. And now you must put things back as they were." The Queen of Asgard admitted to Cap as she began to walk down one of the most spectacular hallways he had ever seen. "I have to clip 'all of the branches,' or..." Steve started to say as he followed beside her. "Or there will be anomalies in time. Yes I am aware. And I am also aware of 'him'." She said. "Aware of 'who'?" A puzzled Steve asked, stopping in his tracks. "'He' is not your fight. Your battles are nearly complete. I will help you by putting Ms. Foster into a trance, thus allowing you return the Aether into her. And you will be able to continue journey." The Queen promised. "But Thor came here to get it out of her." Steve protested. "And he will, just as he did in your timeline. Nothing can be interrupted." Frigga reminded. "Now let's hurry, we have little time! Oh, and just set that down right there." Frigga said, pointing to Mjolnir, to leave it in a hallway corner. "But..." Steve started to protest. "It will immediately goto Thor's hand when called, no matter where it is. Now, let's hurry!" The Queen insisted as the two rushed down the gilded grand hallway leaving the mighty hammer behind. A mere minutes later, Mjolnir suddenly began twitching to life, then flew off.
I imagine it would be more like Ancient One giving the stone to Bruce, Bruce traveling back to our present timeline, AO stands for a few seconds nervously, then Cap appears with the briefcase and says something to the extent of "Bruce told me you could help me put these back". Then AO and Cap go on an adventure to return all the stones together since she could help him repair their holdings. It would be neat to see them using the stones to return the stones. It would end with them in 1960's? where they return the space stone and she opens a wizard portal to NYC. Then before bringing back to the right time (her time 2012 NYC) Cap would say no I got a date to make, then go be with Peggy.
HISHE did a great episode. like, how did he get the Ether Back Into Jane? How did the turn the Space Stone back into the Tesseract? The Power Stone had to be back in its Orb, then, back into the force field that was protecting it. the Time Stone was literally the easiest. he appears a second after Hulk left the Ancient One and hands it back to her.
Yeah, I’d wondered about the Ether myself, but I hadn’t considered the other stones were inside other constructs such as the Tesseract. Not sure how, but I missed that HISHE, thanks for mentioning it, I’ll have to check it out.
@@johnpatz8395 they could have went through Thor's Mother as she was knowing that Present Thor came in the past and she knew magic/Sorcery, for both the Ether and the tesseract as the Asgardians were the ones to put the space stone into the tesseract.
@@xXCursedWorgenXx good point, as for the Soul Stone, I wondered if it wouldn’t be given to Dr Strange to guard, to replace the Time Stone his order had always guarded. Although this raises the question, what timeline did Hawkeye and Natasha get the soul Stone from, I mean when Thanos “destroyed” the stones, were they all actually destroyed or did the soul Stone just return to it’s home and they grabbed it from there? Although now that I think about it, if they got it from the past, like the Avengers did all the other stones, than Captain America had to return it, so it would be there for Thanos to get later, although by destroying Thanos from the past, didn’t they create the divergent timeline(s) that they were trying to avoid, but the other timeline it will never experience Thanos collecting the stones and the “great snap,” thus allowing someone else to collect the stones for their own evil purposes? I hadn’t considered before now that destroying Thanos from the past basically undid everything they did to avoid splitting the time line, so at that point why bother returning the stones, other than say the Tim Stone since Prof Hulk promised to return it?
@@johnpatz8395 that's... really interesting... we could theorise that the TVA intervened around the moment Thanos traveled from the past to stop the diverging timeline to occur. edit: or Iron Man snap didn't just erase Thanos from existence, but sent him back into the past, before he learned about the other Nebula edit: TSA to TVA
I feel like the biggest piece is that he witnesses Steve willingly give up the power of something he would have sacrificed anything to get, maybe even being the catalyst that sets his spirit free.
@@gustaafargoan Not if it was done well. That means, have a tight script that makes sense, minimize the budget by not doing reshoots, and changing the story in editing. Do all that, and suddenly you do not have to make $1billion just to make money. But yeah, this would probably be a better mini-series for their streaming service. But they screwed that up, like everything else.
I personally would like to think that, When cap returned the soul stone, the stone with it's power had restored the last soul that was exchanged "A soul for a soul". So Natasha got her life back and she's now she moved on in this alternate timeline in the path of retirement.
Plausible...though from what they portray the working of time travel to be in this movie they claim changing the past doesn't change the future so they could simply go back get Natasha and bring her to the future with no issues of the present future.
@@flatout5815 And essentially proven because that is what happened with Gamora. It seems like a large plot hole to me that they didn't go back and get Natasha right before her and Clint fought.
3:40 yeah Red Skull is definitely evolved, but he's also coherent. He remembers all aspects of his life and even mentioned them. Even those details such as black widow's father's name? So maybe he is a ghost but a ghost of memories. I do believe he holds no grudge or resentment because he has evolved. But maybe just maybe seeing Steve again.... Set something off of him. Spark to reignite the fire that once was........🤔😉
If Chris was still in the MCU I would say that Red Skull would come back, bug since he is out, I would say that it's pointless to have Red Skull any more.
My thing is, he can’t possess the stone because he has no one he loves to sacrifices. If Steve brings back the stone and just hands it over, doesn’t mean skull would put it back. It’s something he desires but couldn’t possess at the time.
That would be the coolest ending in my opinion. They don’t even have to fight, just maybe showing some sort of angry or fear or emotion in the red skulls face once he turns and see Captain America would be enough to make the scene REALLY COOL, just add one or two lines of dialogue between the two and there you go.
@@bulletmelter5158 I feel like he wouldn't show anger but maybe a little relief because he's seeing a face from his past life and since he has alot of wisdom I'm sure he knows what happened to cap I believe they'd talk for a sec then Steve would leave probably telling red skull he's sorry he's stranded there for eternity
Well of course he remembers why he was cursed to guard the Soul Stone, but that's probably about all he remembers. Everything else most likely would be very vague and clouded.
Don't know if you watched Game of Thrones but I imagine it's like how Bran Stark lost himself because of what he became. He still had his previous memories but they weren't exactly "his" anymore
The Red Skull will trade his soul for Natasha, his own grandaughter, so she can return to life using the rule "one soul for one soul". He will then tell Steve what must be done after going back in time to marry Peggy Carter, in order to defeat Hydra time and again over the decades following world war 2. And Steve will learn of his greatest job: to steal the baby Natasha from the Hydra and place her at a given street so she could be found and fostered by the right hands. The Red Skull reveals that he didnt remain recluded in Vormir all this time: there are decades of untold clashes between the Red Skull and Steve Rogers! Some of them must be told in a future movie, guess the title will be "Captain America: The Return of the Red Skull".
I agree with the descriptions of what the Russos say would have happened. But I have one contrary point I'm going to hold onto until I actually see myself proven wrong. To get the soul stone, you have to give a soul. And I believe the opposite is true until proven it isn't. If you give the soul stone, you would get back the soul that was sacrificed. Hence, Natasha Romanov would be back, and for reasons not know, she hasn't made her presence known yet. And for where she is... with Nick Fury at the new S.W.O.R.D. base.
Red skull said that "he once too, hold an infinity stone", so he remembers. So he perfectly knows why he's here. But Marvel should definitively do a one shot about cap returning the stones
And he has centuries of wisdom so why wouldn't remember what he did and how he got there so I believe he slightly smile seeing a familiar face, or Steve would prolly ask how he ended up there and he'd say while you got stuck in ice for 60 years I got sent here to protect the stone and then they'd nod and Steve would leave
This Steve Rogers story would be amazing and provide the closure fans really need after Endgame. A full movie dedicated to what happens when Captain America goes back to return the Stones could also open up more timelines for Gammora, Black Widow and maybe even Ironman.
Maybe, does he hide out til after the war and how does he create a new identity. Perhaps he returns to America, a fit young man dodging the draft. Mebbe he has a bone spur 😂
OR: To obtain the stone you must sacrifice what you love the most, to leave the stone you must resurrect what you fear the most. Is it possible that Steve went back and left the stone there for Thanos/Natasha to find?
No. This is confirmed as being a non refundable deal, unless you resurrected Nat with the full gauntlet, which is then said would cause the soul stone to disappear. The writers said Hulk could've done it but he'd have to focus solely on that goal rather than that AND bringing half the universe back
@@SEliteGuitarist99 not talking about refunding the soulstone deal, but making one in order to hide it in the first place. Steve could have travelled to Vormir before the stone was there. Made a deal with it ressurrecting Red Skull and left. Later others would come to find it for a heavy cost. Why else would the Red Skull even be there? It also seems like price Steve would set for someone to pick it up. "If you want to take someone, you have to know what it's like to lose someone".
@@BlackDaw1 Nah the stones are sentient. That's what Red Skull says in Infinity War happened to him with the space stone. "It cast me out, sent me here to lead those who seek the stones to a treasure I cannot possess." Normally touching the tesseract shouldve either immediately killed him or like Nick Fury putting it in a briefcase at the beginning of Avengers 2012, nothing happened. Instead the stones saw Red Skull and saw an opportunity to take his soul and essentially brainwash him into being the guardian of the soul stone.
@@SEliteGuitarist99 That's true, I forgot about that, but he did say those words. While this kinda overthrows my theory I wonder if we can actually take his word for it? I mean, we have never heard the stones directly speak to anyone and it could just be his interpretation of what has happened to him? I do admit I'm grasping for straws here now :D
It’s a soul for a soul. Personally, and for my own sanity, I tell myself SHES alive. Cap returned the soul stone, so a soul should be granted in return. She is living out her life in 2014 in a trailer in the woods. We lost her, but she’s happily living out her life with a gf or something
I think that Steve would first approach with caution, but would otherwise be cordial, as you stated. He's not going to look for trouble, and he's not going to assume RS is up to no good, but he won't go in with his guard down. . RS would make some remark about seeing him again after all this time, and how different the circumstances are, while Steve would offer a short but polite reply. Then RS might mention what happened between Nat and Clint, and that he admired her resolve and tenacity, and that if his other companions are half as capable as she, then Earth is in fine hands. Maybe he'll even admit to finally admiring Cap, to an extent. At which point, Steve returns the stone, and sincerely wishes RS well, and thanks him for his duties as guardian of the Soul Stone. Then...ZIP...off to the next time point.
Red Skull said it himself.. he sought the stones a lifetime ago, and even held one in his hand but it banished him to Vormir.. He remembered his past life.. and he obviously was still power hungry after he was banished and was still himself at least a little bit because he said that he was cursed to guard a power he could never possess..
He also said that him and his colleagues were searching for a weapon that could destroy enemies at the snap of a finger, I think this was referring to the original infinity gauntlet comic series, the snap has been an icon in marvel for years
I would like to think when cap showed up he was surprised by the red skull and put on the defensive stance after moment he would lower is guard and he and skull would talk about Natasha like you said and have a heartfelt man-to-man conversation shake hands and go separate ways giving the two of them closure for their past
Steve would go into vormir on a reverse order by entering the soul realm where the soul stone would melt into the water.. Steve would see Natasha and then wake up to Red Skull saying: Steve... son of Joseph and Sarah. The stone demanded a sacrifice that cannot be recovered It won't be long before someone else comes for it.
In other words, the Russo brothers were like “Eh, we didn’t really put much thought into what would happen during Steve’s quest to return the stones since we never planned to show that, but we’ll just BS our way through a cobbled together answer for you since you asked the question.”
They didn't come up with an answer because they didnt need one. He's Captain fuckin America with Mjolnir. He returned all the Stones because he is beyond capable of doing so.
It's not like most people have thought it out either. If they did, they wouldn't be overcomplicating it. It probably wouldn't be some epic story and would take five minutes. Save Time and Space for last. Use them to go anywhere and freeze time to return the other stones. Time also allows him to fix any casings. Most of the stones were taken peacefully. Giving back the Reality Stone could be using the injector or just handing it to Jane. Maybe willing it to her.
I don't feel most of these directors/writers even have a grip on their own content. Red Skull is very much aware of his past and cannot be another entity as he tells Thanos that he was condemned to that realm for pursuing the stones. He has this entire dialog with Thanos expressly explaining how he is so familiar with the stones, but he now being consider some kind of incorporeal wraith? This always goes to show how little these individuals pay attention to or care about the things they work on. This same thing happened with writers on a project I worked on, and I kept corrected them on their own writing. At one point I said to one of them, "Maybe I just work as the Content Director on this game as you guys seem to write stuff and completely forget it in a few months."
Marvel should make a movie called “The returning of the infinity stones” and then this could be an adventure movie where Captain America goes through time returning the stones and I reckon this would sell quite well.
@@bobbylewis9135 It could be like a mini movie special that could come to Disney plus as an exclusive then that way they could do it or they could make it a longer movie by Steve having to face some challenges whilst returning the stones.
@@satan2084 They could call it “ The soldier that went back in time” and that would probably be a better title as there’s already this saying about captain America called “the solider out of time” so this would fit in nicely as it’s to do with Captain america and the infinity stones going back in time.
I think a lot had to do with the fact that Hugo Weaving said he would never reprise the role after the first movie. Like The Oracle in "The Matrix" who was originally played by Gloria Foster and then by Mary Alice, a rewrite of the character itself needs to be done lest audiences become disillusioned.
The Red Skull is no longer the Red Skull. he is just the Avatar of the Soul stone, the Red Skull died. There is no way to put the Stone Stone back, the only way to return it is for Steve to take his place BEFORE Black Widow and Hawkeye showed up and stopped them both from trying to jump. Thus the Event to get the soul stone never happened, however Steve has it and Steve would remain on Vormir as a Paradox. (this the only way it makes sense) There are two paradoxes that exist because of the story they chosen to tell. 1. Where is Nat? 2. How did Steve get to that timeline without using the transport platform? There are a few different timelines in "Endgame" 1. the one we see 2. the timeline with 2 avengers (loki does NOT escape, events play out like the original movie) 3. Loki Escapes (which we are told was NOT suppose to happen)
After 75+ years in limbo the Red Skull’s former life as a human was probably just a distant memory that mattered little to him at that point. As for Rogers WW2 was more recent in his mind but the battles he’d fought as an Avenger far surpassed anything he’d done as a soldier. After you’ve stood against Thanos and survived how worried can you be about any potential adversary after that?
Imagine this, cap gets to vormir with all the infinity stones AND MJONIR, red skull sees it and realizes Cap possses the power of the Gods( possessing not one but all the stones, and wielding the Norse hammer)
I think Steve would ask him if there's any way to bring back black widow. Imagine Red Skull tells him yes but he is forbidden to tell him. Then I can see Cap sticking around for a little bit.
Steve would know fair is fair, a life for a life and will ask back for Natasha's soul. So Steve should end up beating the crap outta Red Skull anyways for Natasha's soul
@@haskhan52 I love your idea it would make a great movie. I just don't understand how they all gave up so easy. Thor was right. They have the stones they can do whatever they want. After defeating Thanos I just don't get why they didn't pursue the avenue of getting the Black Widow back or Tony for that matter.
@@kenlamella8996 well, apparently they couldn't. You can bend the rules so far... Bruce tried to get her back, but stones "told" him that it's impossible to reverse that deal.
Red Skull acquired Wisdom. He wanted Power during his Life on Earth. But when he ascended to Vormir, his ambition dissipated and instead of Power, Wisdom took over. Or I could be wrong.
I think him ultimately coming back to our timeline was always a condition of him getting that life with Peggy. He can go off and do that and return to right when he was originally supposed to return and clip his branch timeline with Peggy.
Steve Rogers' life after he returned could be an entire Disney+ series. Maybe he doesn't get to go straight and return the soul stone. Maybe he runs into others that try to steal the stone. Maybe he has lower level threats that he fights that are seemingly unrelated to anything 'infinity stone'. Maybe he has higher level threats as well. He's not the only one capable of time travel obviously. Maybe someone comes back and tries to steal it from him. Chris Evans has said he wouldn't return for no reason or just a cash grab. It would need to answer a question. Steve's entire life from return the 40's all the way to him sitting on the park bench and what he did would be the question I would love answered.
I’m a crazy Romanogers shipper so I feel like she would come back after Steve returned the stone. I know that it’s an irreversible sacrifice, but the fact that he went to return the stone in person when no one else would have shows that she deserves to have lived. That’s just my opinion though, so don’t come at me for it :)
Well I think Steve would be surprised to see him. He would probably be defensive at first until the Red Skull puts him at ease that he would not attack him. Then I think The Red Skull would tell him what he went threw to wind up on Vormir. Steve would probably sympathize with his situation. The Red Skull and Rogers would probably banter on both their bad decisions. Then Steve would return the stone an bid him farewell.
I wonder if Steve had the idea of returning to his former life when he set off to return the stones. Maybe it was the Red Skull who started Steve down that path. As the life Steve desired was un-obtainable until he began his quest to return the stones. The Red Skull could have reminded his old nemesis that this path, once blocked, was now open and he could take that path if he desired. A conversation like this regarding the past and paths once open would be expected from his conversation with the Red Skull. I don't remember the order that the stones were returned in. It seems like the soul stone would have been a good final quest. With his quest complete, and the timeline restored, this would have made a great chance for the Red Skull to give Steve a better perspective of the possibilities that Steve would be unable to see on his own. Who knows, just a random thought.
The stone return that would be the most interesting to see would be the return of the time stone. Due to how the returns happen. It literally happens shortly after they were taken to the timeline that they were taken from. So She hands over the gem to Banner, waits 5-10 minutes, and here comes Cap to return it. The conversation would be great as she would be expecting it and would also be able to answer various questions Cap would have about other things. The idea and the HOW to make staying behind work would likely happen with that conversation. Returning the red stone would be kind of neat. Meeting the Asguardians and such. However they are used to such strange power and happenstance. The main thing would be Frigga wanting to know how Thor is doing. She would intentionally refuse any other knowledge, but that one bit she would want to know. The purple power stone being returned would be...interesting. If only because the original stealing of it from that planetary vault only to then return it a few minutes later would confuse the shit out of them all.
Yes he would've probably given in to his subjucation by the stones, but i'm more interested in how he has reacted to being freed from their control. Some of that old personality might very well return. I hope this wasn't the last we've seen from him. Ross Marquand can easily continue playing him. It can easily be explained as to wearing a new mask if they want him with a normal human face i certain scenes.
I always found it poetic that a stone in which possession of it requires the individual to sacrifice what the hold dearly having to be given away by the one being who holds no other values then that of the stone. To give away the thing you seek out. I think by having cap return it he would learn of forgiveness and relinquishment of power. Something he could never do for himself hence freeing him… maybe for him to use his knowledge for honest revenge instead of lustful greed.
I'll be honest, I think the interaction went in a different direction. I believe there is still a little bit of The Red skull in there, and I believe he made some snide comment about both their lives ending after their last encounter. I believe he commented on how much Cap lost going in the ice, and compare it to what he lost. I feel it's what would have been needed to get Captain America to give it all up. Closure mixed with regret.
I feel like Cap would instinctively throw his shield at him but then the Red Skull is now actually a ghost so it just goes through him and then Steve ask whats up with him
Steve arriving on Vormir to return a stone of unbelievable power to his arch-nemesis? What could the Red Skull possibly say to Steve to assuage Steve's mistrust of him? I just don't see Steve handing the Red Skull an Infinity Stone under any circumstance. The other issues with returning the Infinity Stones are still very glaring. How did Steve create the Tesseract using the Space Stone so that it could be retuned to it's place on the timeline? How did Steve create the protective housing around the Mind Stone and place it in the Staff before it was returned? Did Steve simply walk up to Jane Foster on Asgard and reinject the Ether back into her? I wonder how that conversation went down.
I guessed he might want to stay in the past, especially with seeing Carter, but the whole thing disappointed me. Going back and staying would kill off people and would also have been incredibly hard to keep quiet over the millions who would die during that time just to selfishly live out his life with his only love.
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The ancient one could use the reality stone and time stone to revert all of the other stones back to their default state, and then use the time stone to change the reality stone back into ether and perhaps an injection?
To me....when Cap returned the stone, Nat came back. A soul for a soul. And my reason for this is.....there is a deleted scene from Black Widow when Yelena is at Nat's grave. When she whistles, she hears Nat whistle back in the distance and she smiles. We'll probably never see here again, but to me, she's still put there, doing secret missions for Nick.
I, for some reason, keep imagining Steve Rogers and Johan Schmitt smoking some Weed with each other and “shooting the shit” like how Scott Pilgrim and Nega-Scott came out of that Night Club as friends. 😂
2:38 well we can easily assume that he at least remembers his past because he clearly states he was once a stone seeker & even got to hold one, though it cast him out. I would say he probably remembers everything that happened. ALSO, which order he did it would probably count for something. If Red Skull saw Steve open the case to return the Soul Stone & see ALL the Infinity Stones because Steve decided to return it first WHO KNOWS what would've or could've happened lol.
I think we'd be surprised with the end result of Cap seeing Skull again. I think he would be caught off guard but recover quickly. Unless the Skull provoked him, which I don't think you would not this version of him anyhow. I think Steve would do what he had to do and get out of there as quick as possible. but then again what do I know????
A thought: The stone requires a life in exchange for possessing it. Cap returns the stone. Wouldn't it make sense then for a life to be returned? Natasha could return with Cap without disrupting the time line.
I mean, that'd kinda cheapen the sacrifice she made. If that was the case Red Skull would've told them "by the way, it's not that serious, I know you only plan on renting the Stone. Pick one of you to sit in the penalty box for a bit and it'll be yours."
I think a good balance would be allowing you to either bring back a person who wasn’t killed via an infinity stone. (So Natasha and gamora is out.) or allow you to talk to any soul living or not…
@@florizelgordon8253 Gamora came back by other means (yea, time travvel) and it's not even the same Gamora Quill and others knew and loved. It's a younger version before she got to know them. And also they lost Gamora to Thanos, but they got Nebula in exchange, not that their team is at a loss.
I would imagine that the same thing happened to the Red Skull that happened to a lot of people - life got too real. Ambitions and views faded as time passed and he had one spirit breaking experience after another. He'd start to question everything and go on a *Doctor Strange* type quest. Where Strange found The Ancient One, Skull would find the location of the Souls Stone. Maybe there was already a guardian there and, for whatever reason (insert Red Skulls quest for the meaning of life storyline, here), he decided to take that guardians place for he/she/it could move on. The typical villain turn hero story.
Or it could be much like Loki's situation when he became the Worlds Tree(outside of time)... Red Skull became the Guardian of the stone for all time, outside of time.
There are a lot of ways to determine the return of the stones. Yes we saw Steve dance with Peggy. We also saw pre Guardians Gamora enter into future and Steve & Tony program reprogram their "watches" to a different date after Loki ruined their first attempt. Steve had 7 jumps 1 per stone and 1 to return with. Natasha also had 1 that was never used. If cap returned the soul Stone between the time that she and Hawkeye Landed they could have went back in time together allowing the dance with Peggy to take place and not interrupt the life she was going to live. Or my favorite storyline I've come up with is this. The return of the soul stone restores a soul returning Natasha to life but causes a split in time from that point she and Steve head back in time grow old together living off the grid and then old man Steve who was somehow present at Avengers headquarters and able to give Sam the shield had been there for some time and before the jump obviously since Bucky seemed to know what was going on and who he was." had made Our Cap, Tony and Natasha know what was to come allowing them to prepare "Iron Man knew to make his goodbye video" and yet another opportunity for time to split and allow us to have those "our' versions of each appear in Secret Wars' and not another version or variant. Ideas an enlightened Cap could have gotten from speaking with the Skull.
My Question is: lf it was the Exact day that the stone was taken, would that mean Natasha's body was still down there? If so did Steve lay her body to rest properly?
@@theangrypotato2.031 well Thanos didn't sacrifice gamora anymore. That Thanos and Gamora went to the future and he was killed. So Cap probably would see Nats body. Unless she got transported inside the soul stone or red skull buried her
U can’t CHANGE a timeline in the Marvel universe. All you can really do is create a new one. Take the Loki series for example. The only reason if happened was because in endgame he got access to the space stone and teleported away, which created that new timeline AKA the Loki series.
If Steve goes back in time to 'give' the soulstone then it's possible he 'gets' a soul in return, being that the reverse is to give a soul. "A soul for a soul." So, would Red Skull want his life back? Would they fight over it? Could Steve bring Natasha back? What is possible?
The Soul Stone requires a "Soul for a Soul" Captain America would have had to bring someone back to life... perhaps Black Widow? And they completed missions in the past
“A soul for a soul,” has been the bargain for the soul stone. But what if Cap, as holder of the stone, changed the rules? He could have made the condition “a life for a life” and exchanged the stone for the life he lost in 1945.
Why exactly would Joe Russo say he doesn't know how much of Skully's consciousness remains... WHEN HE LITERALLY STANDS (FLOATS, WHATEVER) THERE AND TELLS THEM THAT NOT ONLY DID HE SEEK AN INFINITY STONE, HE HELD ONE AND IT REJECTED HIM... FFS, do these guys ever watch their own movies/read their own scripts before they make public comments???
I respectfully disagree with the official stance, as I feel that Schmidt is probably still there, but has gained some wisdom and perspective (and possibly some peace) during his exile. Just like I'm not the same as I was when I was 20 years old, I'm not a *different* person. It's merely the way almost half a century has affected me. Personal opinion, YMMV.
Captain returning all the stones (and hammer) is not a story we need, but it would still be an interesting story to see anyway. How did Cap rebuild the tesseract around the space stone? How did he return the mind stone without the scepter? How did he get the reality stone back into Jane? Even an animated "What if" style series of shorts explaining this stuff would be a fun watch.
Exactly. Steve created alot of problems and a huge plot hole(s). Him staying would have been a different timeline so how did he end up old back in the original? Lots of problems.
He probably used the time stone on the other stones like Strange did to the apple or Thanos did to Vision to revert them back to how they were prior.
It actually makes sense that the ancient one could have used the time stone to recreate the containers around the stones
@@MasonNoThumbs Yeah, most likely he got help on the way from people like The Ancient One and Frigga, who were already aware of what was going on to some extent. Still would be nice to see that play on on screen though.
@@terrycherington8533 he was meant to stay behind as the TVA didnt pull up on his front lawn and he didnt have to yell get off my lawn like a 70 year old man
Red skull got disembodied and drained of ambition while given connection and deep understanding to all souls in the universe.
Empathy Hell as I see it.
Damn. He was forced to become a “good man”
Not unlike the Indigo Tribe.
He is basically cursed for all eternity in this ghostly form.
Sounds like buddy went to college then became a teacher
Yeah
Steve rogers returning the stones could be a Disney+ series! each episode could be him returning 1 stone per-episode and the finale is how he ended up just staying in his own period of time and grew old and shown up in the bench at the end of end game. so he knew loki broke the secred timeline
lol i edited this this comment to say after carefully examining you're comments that someone petition this idea! we need to know.....that thought alone..im sold
Yes
I'd definitely watch that.
Each stone gets an episode plus an extra episode for the unexpected shenanigans that will happen.
Fucking brilliant
at the end of the day, it’s up to chris evans himself if he wants to do this series or not
I’m sure Red Skull would be somewhat happy to see Steve
Imagine 80 years on Vormir the only interactions he’d have were doomed souls searching for power (a reminder of his past self)
I’d imagine any face he knew would be a pleasant surprise even if it’s the face of his enemy
Maybe if he still had his conciousness.
@@shyicidep4438 just imagine tho 80 + years on vormir then seeing captain America I would be somewhat happy for to not be alone
@@shyicidep4438 I honestly believe he retained his memories and consciousness. He seems to lament his fate and the past that brought him there when speaking to Thanos and Gamora. Even when speaking to Nat and Clint he exhibits self awareness of both his and others' fates, and seems to be genuinely remorseful of the scrifices they are required to make. Or, that he cannot make such a sacrifice himself.
@@adam4747 Red Skull would probably have felt thrilled to see his old enemy, as he was alone for so long, but would also bring him such sadness to see his enemy still succeeding while he ultimately failed while sealing his own fate...a beautiful & tragic encounter i would love to have seen onscreen
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I can see him speaking highly of Widow to Cap. Everyone who sought out the stone made a sacrifice...to achieve for themselves, she was the only one to sacrifice herself to achieve for others. That would be nice.
Akshually! Does sacrificing yourself count as a sacrifice? I would understand if, at the last moment, hawkeye let her go, but since he didn't do it, well, where is the act of sacrifice?
I'd like to imagine that when Steve went back to return the soul stone the "soul for a soul" rule would have been flipped.... instead of him sacrificing what he loves most he would instead receive what he loves the most in exchange for the stone... I feel like that would explain how old Steve could have existed during the main timeline without becoming a variant version of himself
i would think he would exchange his life for nats.
@@arceerogueharleyquinncapta9925 he definitely would have if he had the option
That's an incredible idea!
Imagine if that happens and when he thinks he is going to get Nat back, he just sees Peggy Next to him xD
"They are not his tears."
It would be a bit of a funny "twist of the knife" if Steve showed up to return the stone still holding Mjolnir. He had succeeded in harnessing the power of the gods where Red Skull failed.
Even a supernova wouldn't be as hot as that burn.
Did Red Skull failed tho? He is the guardian of the Soul stone and he looks badass.
@@itsthegr8matt but noone gets to see him, seems like a very lonely job tbh
@@itsthegr8matt He can't use it, or even touch it. It's more accurate to say the power of the gods harnessed him.
@@anothermidlifecrisis very well said.
I actually think him seeing the Red Skull is what prompted him to go to Peggy Carter. Knowing his enemy is trapped in regret and unable to live a normal life out of his control would
make Cap realize not to waste opportunities given to him.
Steve had made his mind up before he returned the stones though.
i also think that if Steve and Peggy had a daughter there is only one name on that list (not Natasha because it's the 1950's and the red Scare was a thing but maybe Nattalie wich is the europian version of the same name)
Peggy is juicy so he wanted heaps of time
I think Cap would have pity on RS. Just look at how different he is from the man he once fought.
Trying to become a god, RS lost everything. He's literally a shadow of his former self. All his hopes and dreams from the 1940's are long gone.
Cap would have to see parts of himself reflected in Vormir RS. It would be hard to miss.
Good idea
I have always liked to think that the reason the red skull is stuck there is because he showed up to get the soul stone and had nothing important enough for him to give up, therefore he can never leave until he values something enough to sacrifice it. This inner search has been what has enlightened him through the decades. Also, I believe it was the planet, as the guardian of the stone, that required the sacrifice and not the stone itself
Thats not true, red skull was sent there by the space stone itself to “guard a treasure he could never obtain”
I always like the thought that he jumped thinking he'll survive and gets the soul stone. He seems like the kind of guy who would sell his own soul for power
@@KorkaSprings8 I like that... But what if that the soul stone has a fail-proof programmed into it so that anyone who sells their soul must be doomed to protect it? I like that head canon.😊
@@NDCCMTX thanks. I do think it would be good for them to explain the actual canon of it since the "Sacred Timeline" doesn't stick to the comics
The Soul Stone sacrifice required was distinctly personal to the one making it. Returning the Soul Stone would likely render whatever "soul" that Steve Rogers loved most available him. He didn't love N. R.. more than anyone else. I suspect it would have been the opportunity to restart his life post WW2 with whom he loved most, Peggy Carter.
It'd be cool if he asked about Natasha and red skull replied with ask her yourself, activates the soul stone and sends cap to the soul world to have a conversation with nat letting her know they won.
Man, that would have been an awesome interaction.
Red skull can't use the soul stone.
@@bingo_bongoismyname3894 why? He gave up what he loved. Nuff said... he can use it.
@@michaelhughes8730 No he literally has no access to it, also he said that he only guards it.
@@bingo_bongoismyname3894 with that reasoning hulk and Tony shouldn't have been able to use it either.... they didn't give up shit. Just go with it...I made it up in 5 seconds on the internet. It doesnt have to be made canon.
Cap: Hello, I've come to return the Soul Stone.
Red Skull: NO REFUNDS.
The End.
Lol
🤣🤣good one!
Classic 😂
I would have thought when returning the soul stone rather than ‘taking a soul for a soul’, it would provide one but not with Natasha. I think it allowed cap to have his old life back with Peggy and would mostly explain why the tva didn’t prune him during that time.
tva didnt prune him cause tony stark already made time machine and already dead cause thats what only kang needed for his tech watch and not captain america
Steve probably laid really low as to not have any impact to the timeline much like classic Loki hid in a distant planet and avoided getting pruned
We have to remember though that the TVA had explicitly said that the Avengers going back in time and stuff was meant to happen. So by proxy, that would include Steve's return to Peggy.
Yeah the TVA only prunes those who mess with absolute points in time, such as Loki grabbing the tesseract and freeing himself. That wasn't supposed to happen, at all.
Youre so wrong it makes you look like a kid making up their own head cannon. He wasnt pruned because endgame was supposed to happen
That was a dope scene in *Avengers Infinity Saga* of *Captain America* going toe-toe with *Thanos* in *Wakanda.* The facial expression *Thanos* made as Cap was showing hard defiance was priceless a beautiful well played scene.
The return of the stones would have been a fantastic Captain America movie, post-Endgame
"Steven, son of _ Rogers."
"Red Skull, son of... a b* you're still alive!"
Thor Ragnarok is one of my favorite movies in the MCU. So many memorable lines. I find myself saying "Because that's what heroes do." at least once a week. As well as "Mmm is he though?" So glad they freshened up his character. The first two Thor movies and his presence in the first two Avengers movies were pretty bland imo.
Vintage 😊😂
LOL this is a masterpiece!
Them two must have had a lot to talk about!!!
Did u not watch the video
Cap: " aye bro bro wassup?"
Red Skull: "shit, guarding infinity stones"
Cap: " shiiii I can't even get kidney stones 😂"
Red Skull: " at least you can try to 😂😂😂"
@@statictheory6356 Cap:”language”
Yup I just need a little more yet I’ll@@samudrasols3304 tell
And don’t try to sneak pass me. I have ears like a cat and eyes like a rodent.
I think he just got humbled. Contact with the stone gave him some level of cosmic awareness. Like dipping his toes into the waters of the secrets of the universe, just a little. A mortal mind would be completely humbled by this.
Sorta like in All Star Superman when Lex Luther gained superman powers.
Absolutely. On Earth he used the Nazi Party and Hydra as catalysts to gain what he considered to be ultimate power. The Soul Stone and Tesseract demonstrated power far beyond anything he could imagine or hope to achieve.
Even without that, we have seen how decades in isolation and imprisonment in Spandau destroyed the mental health of Rudolf Hess. Imagine being trapped not on the outskirts of Berlin but on a distant, uninhabited planet...
@@paulkilgore2020 dude GREAT EXAMPLE!
One of the greatest Superman animated features
Cap returns the Soul Stone. The Ghost says: "The Stone for a soul, a soul for the Stone. Choose now." Cap chooses Natasha Romanov, secretly returning her to the MCU.
Did Steve Rogers not commit a TVA crime when he went back to live a different life with Peggy? That’ll be a hell of a show.
Right ,an then havem meet his other dimensional half's ,then face the illuminati
He was always meant to. Loki pointed that out to them and they responded saying it was always meant to be.
Steve's first and most important trip would have been to the house of the Ancient One. Steve does not have the ability to return the various stones to the forms they were in when first taken. For that he would need the assistance of the Sorcerer Supreme.
On Vormir, I imagine the skull would greet him by name, and by the name of one of his parents. They would peacefully reminisce, briefly, and then Steve would pull out the Soulstone, shout, "The price is too high!" and then cast the thing back into the abyss.
The music would swell, the heavens would open, and Steve would find himself laying alone in a pool of tears, empty handed. After climbing back up to the plateau, the skull would gently chide him. "As I told your associates, the exchange is everlasting. Sadly, there is no way to bring her back. I am truly sorry, mein old freund."
"It was worth a try," Steve would reply. The skull would nod, then wish his old frenemy a safe and productive journey.
After all the stones had been returned, his last stop would be to Wakanda to ask a favor of T'challa. At his request, Shuri would respin his vibranium shield on a webwork of adamantium filaments, rendering it truly indestructible as it should have been from the beginning. Wouldn't do to hand a flawed shield over to his friend and successor, would it? Then, his duties complete, he would finally yield to temptation and go off to seek romance and happiness in the past with the young and beautiful Peggy Carter.
You're fan theory is wayyyyy better than mine my boy lol but that's a perfect one 🖤🤞🏽
In Asgard just moments after Thor and Rocket had phased out, Captain Steve Rogers phased in. Queen Frigga greets him, "I assume the quest that you and my son from the future were on was a success?"
"Ma'am I cannot tell you, but how do you...?" Steve would ask.
"As my son Thor knows, I was raised by witches. I see with more than eyes. And now you must put things back as they were." The Queen of Asgard admitted to Cap as she began to walk down one of the most spectacular hallways he had ever seen.
"I have to clip 'all of the branches,' or..." Steve started to say as he followed beside her.
"Or there will be anomalies in time. Yes I am aware. And I am also aware of 'him'." She said.
"Aware of 'who'?" A puzzled Steve asked, stopping in his tracks.
"'He' is not your fight. Your battles are nearly complete. I will help you by putting Ms. Foster into a trance, thus allowing you return the Aether into her. And you will be able to continue journey." The Queen promised.
"But Thor came here to get it out of her." Steve protested.
"And he will, just as he did in your timeline. Nothing can be interrupted." Frigga reminded.
"Now let's hurry, we have little time! Oh, and just set that down right there." Frigga said, pointing to Mjolnir, to leave it in a hallway corner.
"But..." Steve started to protest.
"It will immediately goto Thor's hand when called, no matter where it is. Now, let's hurry!" The Queen insisted as the two rushed down the gilded grand hallway leaving the mighty hammer behind.
A mere minutes later, Mjolnir suddenly began twitching to life, then flew off.
Re-spinning Vibranium thread onto a Adamantium shell for a new Captain's shield is such a bad a** idea!
The shield was repaired before going. He would not have stopped anywhere while doing the time jump thing.
I imagine it would be more like Ancient One giving the stone to Bruce, Bruce traveling back to our present timeline, AO stands for a few seconds nervously, then Cap appears with the briefcase and says something to the extent of "Bruce told me you could help me put these back".
Then AO and Cap go on an adventure to return all the stones together since she could help him repair their holdings. It would be neat to see them using the stones to return the stones.
It would end with them in 1960's? where they return the space stone and she opens a wizard portal to NYC. Then before bringing back to the right time (her time 2012 NYC) Cap would say no I got a date to make, then go be with Peggy.
HISHE did a great episode. like, how did he get the Ether Back Into Jane? How did the turn the Space Stone back into the Tesseract? The Power Stone had to be back in its Orb, then, back into the force field that was protecting it. the Time Stone was literally the easiest. he appears a second after Hulk left the Ancient One and hands it back to her.
Yeah, I’d wondered about the Ether myself, but I hadn’t considered the other stones were inside other constructs such as the Tesseract.
Not sure how, but I missed that HISHE, thanks for mentioning it, I’ll have to check it out.
@@johnpatz8395 they could have went through Thor's Mother as she was knowing that Present Thor came in the past and she knew magic/Sorcery, for both the Ether and the tesseract as the Asgardians were the ones to put the space stone into the tesseract.
It’s very likely he could have used the stones to remake the containers for them, he’d need the reality and power stone to do it but it’s possible
@@xXCursedWorgenXx good point, as for the Soul Stone, I wondered if it wouldn’t be given to Dr Strange to guard, to replace the Time Stone his order had always guarded. Although this raises the question, what timeline did Hawkeye and Natasha get the soul Stone from, I mean when Thanos “destroyed” the stones, were they all actually destroyed or did the soul Stone just return to it’s home and they grabbed it from there?
Although now that I think about it, if they got it from the past, like the Avengers did all the other stones, than Captain America had to return it, so it would be there for Thanos to get later, although by destroying Thanos from the past, didn’t they create the divergent timeline(s) that they were trying to avoid, but the other timeline it will never experience Thanos collecting the stones and the “great snap,” thus allowing someone else to collect the stones for their own evil purposes?
I hadn’t considered before now that destroying Thanos from the past basically undid everything they did to avoid splitting the time line, so at that point why bother returning the stones, other than say the Tim Stone since Prof Hulk promised to return it?
@@johnpatz8395 that's... really interesting... we could theorise that the TVA intervened around the moment Thanos traveled from the past to stop the diverging timeline to occur.
edit: or Iron Man snap didn't just erase Thanos from existence, but sent him back into the past, before he learned about the other Nebula
edit: TSA to TVA
I feel like the biggest piece is that he witnesses Steve willingly give up the power of something he would have sacrificed anything to get, maybe even being the catalyst that sets his spirit free.
I'd love to see a movie just based on cap returning all the stones. I bet there could be several story lines that would be amazing.
Only if it was done by the Russo's, and the old crew, and not the idiots running things now.
That would be a theatrical bust.
@@gustaafargoan Not if it was done well. That means, have a tight script that makes sense, minimize the budget by not doing reshoots, and changing the story in editing.
Do all that, and suddenly you do not have to make $1billion just to make money.
But yeah, this would probably be a better mini-series for their streaming service. But they screwed that up, like everything else.
ARE YOU SURE, remember, who is likely to write it.
You forget... Disney would have a hand in that film idea...
I personally would like to think that, When cap returned the soul stone, the stone with it's power had restored the last soul that was exchanged "A soul for a soul". So Natasha got her life back and she's now she moved on in this alternate timeline in the path of retirement.
Plausible...though from what they portray the working of time travel to be in this movie they claim changing the past doesn't change the future so they could simply go back get Natasha and bring her to the future with no issues of the present future.
@@flatout5815 And essentially proven because that is what happened with Gamora. It seems like a large plot hole to me that they didn't go back and get Natasha right before her and Clint fought.
3:40 yeah Red Skull is definitely evolved, but he's also coherent. He remembers all aspects of his life and even mentioned them. Even those details such as black widow's father's name? So maybe he is a ghost but a ghost of memories. I do believe he holds no grudge or resentment because he has evolved. But maybe just maybe seeing Steve again.... Set something off of him. Spark to reignite the fire that once was........🤔😉
If Chris was still in the MCU I would say that Red Skull would come back, bug since he is out, I would say that it's pointless to have Red Skull any more.
I was think same, that he recalls things in his life. Evolved is probably best word to use.
My thing is, he can’t possess the stone because he has no one he loves to sacrifices. If Steve brings back the stone and just hands it over, doesn’t mean skull would put it back. It’s something he desires but couldn’t possess at the time.
That would be the coolest ending in my opinion. They don’t even have to fight, just maybe showing some sort of angry or fear or emotion in the red skulls face once he turns and see Captain America would be enough to make the scene REALLY COOL, just add one or two lines of dialogue between the two and there you go.
@@bulletmelter5158 I feel like he wouldn't show anger but maybe a little relief because he's seeing a face from his past life and since he has alot of wisdom I'm sure he knows what happened to cap I believe they'd talk for a sec then Steve would leave probably telling red skull he's sorry he's stranded there for eternity
His consciousness does exist, he told Thanos he held an infinity stone once!
Well of course he remembers why he was cursed to guard the Soul Stone, but that's probably about all he remembers. Everything else most likely would be very vague and clouded.
Don't know if you watched Game of Thrones but I imagine it's like how Bran Stark lost himself because of what he became. He still had his previous memories but they weren't exactly "his" anymore
He remembered, but had transcended that ideology he once had, being exposed to cosmic powers.
The Red Skull will trade his soul for Natasha, his own grandaughter, so she can return to life using the rule "one soul for one soul". He will then tell Steve what must be done after going back in time to marry Peggy Carter, in order to defeat Hydra time and again over the decades following world war 2. And Steve will learn of his greatest job: to steal the baby Natasha from the Hydra and place her at a given street so she could be found and fostered by the right hands. The Red Skull reveals that he didnt remain recluded in Vormir all this time: there are decades of untold clashes between the Red Skull and Steve Rogers! Some of them must be told in a future movie, guess the title will be "Captain America: The Return of the Red Skull".
I agree with the descriptions of what the Russos say would have happened. But I have one contrary point I'm going to hold onto until I actually see myself proven wrong.
To get the soul stone, you have to give a soul. And I believe the opposite is true until proven it isn't. If you give the soul stone, you would get back the soul that was sacrificed. Hence, Natasha Romanov would be back, and for reasons not know, she hasn't made her presence known yet. And for where she is... with Nick Fury at the new S.W.O.R.D. base.
They said in Endgame the sacrifice can’t be undone
Considering, to get the stone you need to sacrifice life to obtain it, you should be able to retrieve that life to return it.
Red skull said that "he once too, hold an infinity stone", so he remembers. So he perfectly knows why he's here.
But Marvel should definitively do a one shot about cap returning the stones
And he has centuries of wisdom so why wouldn't remember what he did and how he got there so I believe he slightly smile seeing a familiar face, or Steve would prolly ask how he ended up there and he'd say while you got stuck in ice for 60 years I got sent here to protect the stone and then they'd nod and Steve would leave
This Steve Rogers story would be amazing and provide the closure fans really need after Endgame. A full movie dedicated to what happens when Captain America goes back to return the Stones could also open up more timelines for Gammora, Black Widow and maybe even Ironman.
Maybe, does he hide out til after the war and how does he create a new identity. Perhaps he returns to America, a fit young man dodging the draft. Mebbe he has a bone spur 😂
OR: To obtain the stone you must sacrifice what you love the most, to leave the stone you must resurrect what you fear the most. Is it possible that Steve went back and left the stone there for Thanos/Natasha to find?
Ooh, thats a good point
No. This is confirmed as being a non refundable deal, unless you resurrected Nat with the full gauntlet, which is then said would cause the soul stone to disappear. The writers said Hulk could've done it but he'd have to focus solely on that goal rather than that AND bringing half the universe back
@@SEliteGuitarist99 not talking about refunding the soulstone deal, but making one in order to hide it in the first place. Steve could have travelled to Vormir before the stone was there. Made a deal with it ressurrecting Red Skull and left. Later others would come to find it for a heavy cost. Why else would the Red Skull even be there? It also seems like price Steve would set for someone to pick it up. "If you want to take someone, you have to know what it's like to lose someone".
@@BlackDaw1 Nah the stones are sentient. That's what Red Skull says in Infinity War happened to him with the space stone. "It cast me out, sent me here to lead those who seek the stones to a treasure I cannot possess." Normally touching the tesseract shouldve either immediately killed him or like Nick Fury putting it in a briefcase at the beginning of Avengers 2012, nothing happened. Instead the stones saw Red Skull and saw an opportunity to take his soul and essentially brainwash him into being the guardian of the soul stone.
@@SEliteGuitarist99 That's true, I forgot about that, but he did say those words. While this kinda overthrows my theory I wonder if we can actually take his word for it? I mean, we have never heard the stones directly speak to anyone and it could just be his interpretation of what has happened to him? I do admit I'm grasping for straws here now :D
Redskull found redemption by exchanging his existance to bring back Black Widow.
It’s a soul for a soul.
Personally, and for my own sanity, I tell myself SHES alive.
Cap returned the soul stone, so a soul should be granted in return.
She is living out her life in 2014 in a trailer in the woods. We lost her, but she’s happily living out her life with a gf or something
"They are not his tears." The Walking Dead's "Aaron" did a good job as Skull.
I had literally no idea it wasn’t Hugo Weaving still playing Red Skull
I think that Steve would first approach with caution, but would otherwise be cordial, as you stated. He's not going to look for trouble, and he's not going to assume RS is up to no good, but he won't go in with his guard down.
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RS would make some remark about seeing him again after all this time, and how different the circumstances are, while Steve would offer a short but polite reply. Then RS might mention what happened between Nat and Clint, and that he admired her resolve and tenacity, and that if his other companions are half as capable as she, then Earth is in fine hands. Maybe he'll even admit to finally admiring Cap, to an extent. At which point, Steve returns the stone, and sincerely wishes RS well, and thanks him for his duties as guardian of the Soul Stone. Then...ZIP...off to the next time point.
Red Skull said it himself.. he sought the stones a lifetime ago, and even held one in his hand but it banished him to Vormir..
He remembered his past life.. and he obviously was still power hungry after he was banished and was still himself at least a little bit because he said that he was cursed to guard a power he could never possess..
He also said that him and his colleagues were searching for a weapon that could destroy enemies at the snap of a finger, I think this was referring to the original infinity gauntlet comic series, the snap has been an icon in marvel for years
I would love to see a series or film solely about Cap’s returning of the stones and choice to stay with Peggy.
I would like to think when cap showed up he was surprised by the red skull and put on the defensive stance after moment he would lower is guard and he and skull would talk about Natasha like you said and have a heartfelt man-to-man conversation shake hands and go separate ways giving the two of them closure for their past
Steve would go into vormir on a reverse order by entering the soul realm where the soul stone would melt into the water.. Steve would see Natasha and then wake up to Red Skull saying: Steve... son of Joseph and Sarah. The stone demanded a sacrifice that cannot be recovered It won't be long before someone else comes for it.
Cap be like: damn it Clint, read up on history once in awhile. What the hell is floaty red guy.
Underated
In other words, the Russo brothers were like “Eh, we didn’t really put much thought into what would happen during Steve’s quest to return the stones since we never planned to show that, but we’ll just BS our way through a cobbled together answer for you since you asked the question.”
It actually seems reasonable to some, including me though. Though I agree it was a shame it wasn't shown
They didn't come up with an answer because they didnt need one. He's Captain fuckin America with Mjolnir. He returned all the Stones because he is beyond capable of doing so.
It's not like most people have thought it out either. If they did, they wouldn't be overcomplicating it. It probably wouldn't be some epic story and would take five minutes. Save Time and Space for last. Use them to go anywhere and freeze time to return the other stones. Time also allows him to fix any casings. Most of the stones were taken peacefully. Giving back the Reality Stone could be using the injector or just handing it to Jane. Maybe willing it to her.
The movie was already 3 hours...
I don't feel most of these directors/writers even have a grip on their own content. Red Skull is very much aware of his past and cannot be another entity as he tells Thanos that he was condemned to that realm for pursuing the stones. He has this entire dialog with Thanos expressly explaining how he is so familiar with the stones, but he now being consider some kind of incorporeal wraith? This always goes to show how little these individuals pay attention to or care about the things they work on. This same thing happened with writers on a project I worked on, and I kept corrected them on their own writing. At one point I said to one of them, "Maybe I just work as the Content Director on this game as you guys seem to write stuff and completely forget it in a few months."
I’d like to think he brought someone back. “A soul for a soul.”
Marvel should make a movie called “The returning of the infinity stones” and then this could be an adventure movie where Captain America goes through time returning the stones and I reckon this would sell quite well.
Maybe a one shot🤷🏽♂️ not a full length movie
@@bobbylewis9135 It could be like a mini movie special that could come to Disney plus as an exclusive then that way they could do it or they could make it a longer movie by Steve having to face some challenges whilst returning the stones.
Not a movie, a limited series would be perfect. They could do 3-5 50 min episodes and tie a nice little bow on that story
Not sure I love that name, but it’s still not a bad idea
@@satan2084 They could call it “ The soldier that went back in time” and that would probably be a better title as there’s already this saying about captain America called “the solider out of time” so this would fit in nicely as it’s to do with Captain america and the infinity stones going back in time.
I so wish Avengers Endgame had scenes of Steve returning the infinity stones
Or a one shot episode like they did other titles
@@reese8388 honestly it coud have been full 2.5 h movie
Endgame synder cut
4 hours and then we learn that Thanos kind of forgot, where the stones were. 😂
@@ivan-pk1wq I agree. But I'd prefer a little something over nothing cause we know they're not making that movie.
I think a lot had to do with the fact that Hugo Weaving said he would never reprise the role after the first movie.
Like The Oracle in "The Matrix" who was originally played by Gloria Foster and then by Mary Alice, a rewrite of the character itself needs to be done lest audiences become disillusioned.
The Red Skull is no longer the Red Skull.
he is just the Avatar of the Soul stone, the Red Skull died.
There is no way to put the Stone Stone back, the only way to return it is for Steve to take his place BEFORE Black Widow and Hawkeye showed up and stopped them both from trying to jump.
Thus the Event to get the soul stone never happened, however Steve has it and Steve would remain on Vormir as a Paradox. (this the only way it makes sense)
There are two paradoxes that exist because of the story they chosen to tell. 1. Where is Nat? 2. How did Steve get to that timeline without using the transport platform?
There are a few different timelines in "Endgame"
1. the one we see
2. the timeline with 2 avengers (loki does NOT escape, events play out like the original movie)
3. Loki Escapes (which we are told was NOT suppose to happen)
After 75+ years in limbo the Red Skull’s former life as a human was probably just a distant memory that mattered little to him at that point. As for Rogers WW2 was more recent in his mind but the battles he’d fought as an Avenger far surpassed anything he’d done as a soldier. After you’ve stood against Thanos and survived how worried can you be about any potential adversary after that?
Having a Captain America: Infinity Saga one off movie that shows how the stones were returned would have been amazing. Huge missed opportunity there.
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Someone in the comments already came up with that idea days ago…nice try though
@@mr206gohawks8 nice try at being an ass
Not really. So what he's gunna get in fights with the ppl he's returning the stones to. What would be the point of the movie....
@@darylchase5651 why would the people he’s RETURNING the stones to want to fight? 🤡
Imagine this, cap gets to vormir with all the infinity stones AND MJONIR, red skull sees it and realizes Cap possses the power of the Gods( possessing not one but all the stones, and wielding the Norse hammer)
Red Skull: “Steve, son of… a bitch, you’re still alive?!”
I could see Steve saying something like
"The immortality you found sure looks like eternal damnation."
I would like to see disney so a series with Cap returning all the stones 6 stones 6 episode it works out perfect #disney
This is copied so stfu
@@bobjeff3863 Jesus calm down there buddy
I think Steve would ask him if there's any way to bring back black widow. Imagine Red Skull tells him yes but he is forbidden to tell him. Then I can see Cap sticking around for a little bit.
Steve would know fair is fair, a life for a life and will ask back for Natasha's soul. So Steve should end up beating the crap outta Red Skull anyways for Natasha's soul
@@haskhan52 I love your idea it would make a great movie. I just don't understand how they all gave up so easy. Thor was right. They have the stones they can do whatever they want. After defeating Thanos I just don't get why they didn't pursue the avenue of getting the Black Widow back or Tony for that matter.
@@kenlamella8996 fair game. Didn't play out in What If lol
@@haskhan52 Yeah too bad they didn't put it in there.
@@kenlamella8996 well, apparently they couldn't. You can bend the rules so far... Bruce tried to get her back, but stones "told" him that it's impossible to reverse that deal.
Its amazing how much Red Skull has changed since the first movie. You might say he is a completely different person. 🤔
The “left behind” transition was smooth
i can tell how hard you were trying to get to the 8 minute mark for the mid rolls
Red Skull acquired Wisdom. He wanted Power during his Life on Earth. But when he ascended to Vormir, his ambition dissipated and instead of Power, Wisdom took over.
Or I could be wrong.
I think him ultimately coming back to our timeline was always a condition of him getting that life with Peggy. He can go off and do that and return to right when he was originally supposed to return and clip his branch timeline with Peggy.
well knowing the history between them Cap would've at least been on guard just in case.
Steve Rogers' life after he returned could be an entire Disney+ series.
Maybe he doesn't get to go straight and return the soul stone. Maybe he runs into others that try to steal the stone. Maybe he has lower level threats that he fights that are seemingly unrelated to anything 'infinity stone'. Maybe he has higher level threats as well. He's not the only one capable of time travel obviously. Maybe someone comes back and tries to steal it from him.
Chris Evans has said he wouldn't return for no reason or just a cash grab. It would need to answer a question.
Steve's entire life from return the 40's all the way to him sitting on the park bench and what he did would be the question I would love answered.
Or maybe they should do like a little 40 min short film to show what happened
I’m a crazy Romanogers shipper so I feel like she would come back after Steve returned the stone. I know that it’s an irreversible sacrifice, but the fact that he went to return the stone in person when no one else would have shows that she deserves to have lived. That’s just my opinion though, so don’t come at me for it :)
Well I think Steve would be surprised to see him. He would probably be defensive at first until the Red Skull puts him at ease that he would not attack him. Then I think The Red Skull would tell him what he went threw to wind up on Vormir. Steve would probably sympathize with his situation. The Red Skull and Rogers would probably banter on both their bad decisions. Then Steve would return the stone an bid him farewell.
I wonder if Steve had the idea of returning to his former life when he set off to return the stones. Maybe it was the Red Skull who started Steve down that path. As the life Steve desired was un-obtainable until he began his quest to return the stones. The Red Skull could have reminded his old nemesis that this path, once blocked, was now open and he could take that path if he desired. A conversation like this regarding the past and paths once open would be expected from his conversation with the Red Skull. I don't remember the order that the stones were returned in. It seems like the soul stone would have been a good final quest. With his quest complete, and the timeline restored, this would have made a great chance for the Red Skull to give Steve a better perspective of the possibilities that Steve would be unable to see on his own. Who knows, just a random thought.
I don't care about what would happen between Cap and Red Skull. I just want to know of returning the Soul Stone would bring Black Widow back.
That was beautiful man,seriously.
The stone return that would be the most interesting to see would be the return of the time stone. Due to how the returns happen. It literally happens shortly after they were taken to the timeline that they were taken from. So She hands over the gem to Banner, waits 5-10 minutes, and here comes Cap to return it. The conversation would be great as she would be expecting it and would also be able to answer various questions Cap would have about other things. The idea and the HOW to make staying behind work would likely happen with that conversation.
Returning the red stone would be kind of neat. Meeting the Asguardians and such. However they are used to such strange power and happenstance. The main thing would be Frigga wanting to know how Thor is doing. She would intentionally refuse any other knowledge, but that one bit she would want to know.
The purple power stone being returned would be...interesting. If only because the original stealing of it from that planetary vault only to then return it a few minutes later would confuse the shit out of them all.
Yes he would've probably given in to his subjucation by the stones, but i'm more interested in how he has reacted to being freed from their control. Some of that old personality might very well return. I hope this wasn't the last we've seen from him. Ross Marquand can easily continue playing him. It can easily be explained as to wearing a new mask if they want him with a normal human face i certain scenes.
I always found it poetic that a stone in which possession of it requires the individual to sacrifice what the hold dearly having to be given away by the one being who holds no other values then that of the stone. To give away the thing you seek out. I think by having cap return it he would learn of forgiveness and relinquishment of power. Something he could never do for himself hence freeing him… maybe for him to use his knowledge for honest revenge instead of lustful greed.
I'll be honest, I think the interaction went in a different direction. I believe there is still a little bit of The Red skull in there, and I believe he made some snide comment about both their lives ending after their last encounter. I believe he commented on how much Cap lost going in the ice, and compare it to what he lost. I feel it's what would have been needed to get Captain America to give it all up. Closure mixed with regret.
I feel like Cap would instinctively throw his shield at him but then the Red Skull is now actually a ghost so it just goes through him and then Steve ask whats up with him
Steve arriving on Vormir to return a stone of unbelievable power to his arch-nemesis? What could the Red Skull possibly say to Steve to assuage Steve's mistrust of him? I just don't see Steve handing the Red Skull an Infinity Stone under any circumstance.
The other issues with returning the Infinity Stones are still very glaring. How did Steve create the Tesseract using the Space Stone so that it could be retuned to it's place on the timeline? How did Steve create the protective housing around the Mind Stone and place it in the Staff before it was returned? Did Steve simply walk up to Jane Foster on Asgard and reinject the Ether back into her? I wonder how that conversation went down.
Use timecstone to revert all other stones. Ancient one constructs new housing for the time stone.
I would love to see this either in a post-end credits scene or season 2 of Falcon and Winter Soldier.
I guessed he might want to stay in the past, especially with seeing Carter, but the whole thing disappointed me.
Going back and staying would kill off people and would also have been incredibly hard to keep quiet over the millions who would die during that time just to selfishly live out his life with his only love.
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Excellent video and analysis. Very intriguing.
The ancient one could use the reality stone and time stone to revert all of the other stones back to their default state, and then use the time stone to change the reality stone back into ether and perhaps an injection?
That would change the timeline. Which is something that everyone wanted to avoid.
To me....when Cap returned the stone, Nat came back. A soul for a soul. And my reason for this is.....there is a deleted scene from Black Widow when Yelena is at Nat's grave. When she whistles, she hears Nat whistle back in the distance and she smiles. We'll probably never see here again, but to me, she's still put there, doing secret missions for Nick.
I, for some reason, keep imagining Steve Rogers and Johan Schmitt smoking some Weed with each other and “shooting the shit” like how Scott Pilgrim and Nega-Scott came out of that Night Club as friends. 😂
Old enemies coming together long after the battle, WWII veterans getting together 30 years later, Axis and Allied soldiers honoring their dead.
The only Avengers who survived were the ones they plan to kill off later to replace with women, Thor, Hulk and Hawkeye!
2:38 well we can easily assume that he at least remembers his past because he clearly states he was once a stone seeker & even got to hold one, though it cast him out. I would say he probably remembers everything that happened. ALSO, which order he did it would probably count for something. If Red Skull saw Steve open the case to return the Soul Stone & see ALL the Infinity Stones because Steve decided to return it first WHO KNOWS what would've or could've happened lol.
I think we'd be surprised with the end result of Cap seeing Skull again. I think he would be caught off guard but recover quickly. Unless the Skull provoked him, which I don't think you would not this version of him anyhow. I think Steve would do what he had to do and get out of there as quick as possible. but then again what do I know????
They would stare at each other for a while…. Then, eventually ole red would speak…. Something along the line of “now THIS is some Bovine Scatology”
A thought: The stone requires a life in exchange for possessing it. Cap returns the stone. Wouldn't it make sense then for a life to be returned? Natasha could return with Cap without disrupting the time line.
I mean, that'd kinda cheapen the sacrifice she made. If that was the case Red Skull would've told them "by the way, it's not that serious, I know you only plan on renting the Stone. Pick one of you to sit in the penalty box for a bit and it'll be yours."
I think a good balance would be allowing you to either bring back a person who wasn’t killed via an infinity stone. (So Natasha and gamora is out.) or allow you to talk to any soul living or not…
Gamora did still come back though so maybe just maybe it could work
@@florizelgordon8253 Gamora came back by other means (yea, time travvel) and it's not even the same Gamora Quill and others knew and loved. It's a younger version before she got to know them. And also they lost Gamora to Thanos, but they got Nebula in exchange, not that their team is at a loss.
I would imagine that the same thing happened to the Red Skull that happened to a lot of people - life got too real. Ambitions and views faded as time passed and he had one spirit breaking experience after another. He'd start to question everything and go on a *Doctor Strange* type quest. Where Strange found The Ancient One, Skull would find the location of the Souls Stone. Maybe there was already a guardian there and, for whatever reason (insert Red Skulls quest for the meaning of life storyline, here), he decided to take that guardians place for he/she/it could move on.
The typical villain turn hero story.
Or it could be much like Loki's situation when he became the Worlds Tree(outside of time)... Red Skull became the Guardian of the stone for all time, outside of time.
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There are a lot of ways to determine the return of the stones. Yes we saw Steve dance with Peggy. We also saw pre Guardians Gamora enter into future and Steve & Tony program reprogram their "watches" to a different date after Loki ruined their first attempt. Steve had 7 jumps 1 per stone and 1 to return with. Natasha also had 1 that was never used. If cap returned the soul Stone between the time that she and Hawkeye Landed they could have went back in time together allowing the dance with Peggy to take place and not interrupt the life she was going to live. Or my favorite storyline I've come up with is this. The return of the soul stone restores a soul returning Natasha to life but causes a split in time from that point she and Steve head back in time grow old together living off the grid and then old man Steve who was somehow present at Avengers headquarters and able to give Sam the shield had been there for some time and before the jump obviously since Bucky seemed to know what was going on and who he was." had made Our Cap, Tony and Natasha know what was to come allowing them to prepare "Iron Man knew to make his goodbye video" and yet another opportunity for time to split and allow us to have those "our' versions of each appear in Secret Wars' and not another version or variant. Ideas an enlightened Cap could have gotten from speaking with the Skull.
My Question is: lf it was the Exact day that the stone was taken, would that mean Natasha's body was still down there? If so did Steve lay her body to rest properly?
Considering shes not there when thanos sacrafices gamora, id say yes.
@@theangrypotato2.031 well Thanos didn't sacrifice gamora anymore. That Thanos and Gamora went to the future and he was killed. So Cap probably would see Nats body. Unless she got transported inside the soul stone or red skull buried her
@@513hook513 that was the power stone timeline thanos not the soulstone timeline thanos. I doubt that all the timelines were all the same one.
Probably not. There is something wonky with reality on that Planet.
By staying with peggy he changed the timeline
U can’t CHANGE a timeline in the Marvel universe. All you can really do is create a new one. Take the Loki series for example. The only reason if happened was because in endgame he got access to the space stone and teleported away, which created that new timeline AKA the Loki series.
If Steve goes back in time to 'give' the soulstone then it's possible he 'gets' a soul in return, being that the reverse is to give a soul. "A soul for a soul." So, would Red Skull want his life back? Would they fight over it? Could Steve bring Natasha back? What is possible?
This is beyond awe inspiring. Anything that can change a person heart condition from bad to good, is a power beyond strength.
For Red Skull it was 80 years but remember Cap was trapped in ice for much of that.
The Soul Stone requires a "Soul for a Soul" Captain America would have had to bring someone back to life... perhaps Black Widow? And they completed missions in the past
That all makes perfect sense. I agree that Steve hearing Red Skull recount Natasha’s bravery would have been hugely poignant.
“A soul for a soul,” has been the bargain for the soul stone. But what if Cap, as holder of the stone, changed the rules? He could have made the condition “a life for a life” and exchanged the stone for the life he lost in 1945.
That’s not how it works.
You can’t change the rules.
Why exactly would Joe Russo say he doesn't know how much of Skully's consciousness remains... WHEN HE LITERALLY STANDS (FLOATS, WHATEVER) THERE AND TELLS THEM THAT NOT ONLY DID HE SEEK AN INFINITY STONE, HE HELD ONE AND IT REJECTED HIM... FFS, do these guys ever watch their own movies/read their own scripts before they make public comments???
I respectfully disagree with the official stance, as I feel that Schmidt is probably still there, but has gained some wisdom and perspective (and possibly some peace) during his exile.
Just like I'm not the same as I was when I was 20 years old, I'm not a *different* person. It's merely the way almost half a century has affected me.
Personal opinion, YMMV.
I think Cap would take Widow body back with him to be buried in Cleveland. We didn't leave people behind!
I wouldn’t mind having a tv show following cap in his quest to return the stones in in about 3years