Who Trained Better: MIKE MENTZER vs RICH PIANA
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Doing manual labor makes me even more likely to continue mike mentzers training.
Then stop doing manual labor
Real..
Absolutely. I'm a warehouse worker so pretty happy doing three days a week, 8 working sets per muscle. Still getting gains because I work extremely hard on my gym days
I'm working 14 a day 6x get better 🎉
Oh dear....laziness abound
An old man who got me into lifting once said..."the amount of time you take playing with her chest must be the amount of time you take to train yours".
Did his name happen to be Master Roshi by chance?
@@bigcsbigbrother3685 Eat Well, Sleep well and Work Hard 😎
So I don't do any chest??
So a few hours? Damn, 20- 60 minutes is the most a week I ever done and my boobs are popping out...
@@chrisbutler83 it's seems like you making a better life decisions than me
People need to remember that Rich’s workouts were part of his viral persona. They were never intended for the average person. Part of the appeal was that nobody could do the stuff he was doing.
Yeah neither could he. He's dead
True but the point is that his physiology is just like the rest of us. He's not benefitting from it more than anyone else (at least physically)
@Deondre_Clark im dead😂😂😂....
So is he 😏
He was also on Meth. Let’s not forget that bit of trivia.
He was on meth, gear and everything else....anyone could do that...and die...exactly how he did.
Dr Mike I gotta thank you, your tips really helped me feel my lats working while doing lat pull downs. Using a false grip, really focusing on the stretch at the top and the explosive contraction of my back muscles helped me clearly feel the activation of the muscles I am targeting
Hm.
You should apply that stretching principle to every lift you can. I been following Dr Mike’s advice on deep stretching for pecs and delts and squats with amazing results
Mike Mentzer workout really helped me grow. The guy was ahead of his time
it'll help u grow faster if u did 2 more sets after
Only one set of triceps per 7-10 days???
@@patootie3529 do 3 sets. 1 warm-up and 2 to failure
@@cold_servo_pieHappy Australia day (not to Abos though)
@@cold_servo_pieyou act like it’s a set of 10 using lightweight. It’s gotta be heavy as shit and you have to go until your arms can’t possibly go anymore. having a spotter to help keep you moving until they’re basically doing all the work by rep 20 will give you the craziest pump you ever felt
Rich is still recovering from that 8 hour arm workout to this day
He’s dead
The other day I was in the gym for 90 minutes doing a full body workout. For 60 of those minutes there was a guy doing curls. Dumbell, cable, barbell. All curls. When I left he was still doing sets of curls... He had very unremarkable arms sadly. I felt bad for him knowing he's been lied to. If I was more fit myself I might have said something after an hour lol
If his arms were very impressive than he's probably doing something right
But his arms were unremarkable.. You only have one nervous system.. He's beating his all to hell...@@thewheyoflife3548
He wasn't training right. I have huge arms from what everyone tells me also guy stop touching men with big arms it creeps us out. I feel for you ladies.
Work what's best for your body stop listening to youtubers. I never have an never will. I will obliterate all them in lifts if they natty 🤣🤣🤣.
Ah bs. Keep plugging the hit rubbish. It isn't catching on.
I dont for a second believe Mentzer worked out once a week.
He didn’t, and never claimed to do so either. For his clients with a very limited recovery ability, then once a week could be enough.
@@user-fk8rh7jf3qNope. That's just lazy.
He stated he does about 3 days a week
He built his mass like all the other golden era guys with volume. Maintaining muscles is easier though
@@ari_a2764and tons of steroids. Don’t forget that, a very key part to mikes training.
Comparing workouts keeping you big as hell
Real
I work a 12 hour swing shift, my training split is 6 and 1. Works great for me.
Mike Mentzers approached helped me get rid of “junk” sets. I still do about 6-9 sets per muscle group, but it’s at least with purpose, and not just pump.
What’s a junk set. I do 3-4 set with 10-12 reps. I have never been able to grow big. Strong yes. But no size
@@robertacevedo5601 I find the first 2 sets are really just warm up sets(get used to the movement), then fucking go. The longer the workout goes, you won’t need as many warm up sets. I do more than Mentzer says, but I don’t do my 1 1/2hr workouts either
So what you're saying is you took mike's ideas then changed them entirely to fit a system he never promoted in the first place? So essentially you said I hear you but nope.
@@Jacksimon18909 it’s not entirely different. I still take off 3-4 days in between. But I don’t do the “one set”. I like it better than doing 3days in a row, skip, 3 days in a row.
@@BigstickNick yeah that's entirely different, you've literally taken his system then corrupted it with the very thinking he crucially consulted against. You've fallen prey to the idea that more is better, that weightlifting is about endurance and once the growth mechanism is activated that you can activate it to a higher level. We've done this ourselves with our own training system before.
I'm still a beginner but using your teachings about technique and volume, i'm having great results with 4 to 6 sets per session 😊
Bro that’s a lot of
The hot take we didn’t know we needed
Rich is just a legend of my era what a man he was
But why tho? It's like he had to know he was working towards being the most impressive cadaver some morgue has ever seen. To sell supplements that everyone knows isn't what got him there? It's like suicide with more effort and steps.
3-6 sets; per session/ per muscle. Got it
I made the biggest progress of my whole life this past year, as soon as I started implementing Mike Mentzer's principles. I train once every 4 days and do around 2-3 sets, slowly, with immaculate form until failure for each muscle group per workout. Seems to be the sweet spot for me.
So you weren't training hard until this past year
I’ve found that a three day lifting regiment (Mon- Upper, Wed- Upper, Sat- Lower) with an hour of walking five days a week is the way to go. Everybody’s different! I do recommend trying to cut back on your lifting days if you find it hard to progressively overload from session to session. I use to lift five times a week and rarely saw progress because my muscles were still insanely sore from the day priors session. Remember, always give yourself time to rest and heal!
A happy medium. I’ve found that 4 sets of 8-12 per body part have given me good results. The muscles feel fatigued and I get a much deeper burn on that 4th set.
Did back and bis yesterday and I definately feel a difference upping to a 4th set
"I've found." is the key word. You experimented, tried changing your reps, your range and your rest time and found what works for you. I found that my arms and shoulders grew better with higher reps. Yet my friends tried it and found they do better with heavy weights. The longer you train the better you understand your bodys feedback.
So as always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Mike was a genius
Still waiting for the Mike Israetel vs Mike Paletstine video
Effective volume for the right stimulus is so individual, everyone has to find their sweet spot
The best thing I get from Mike mensler's training is the need to be recovered before you hit that same muscle group. Doesn't matter which of these techniques you use..... You need to be recovered before your next workout!!!😮
Right in between the two. On a logarithmic scale.
That's what I did because it felt good, and I am out of shape so I figured I would need to push harder than Mentzer suggests then maybe when I am in shape I can take more time for rest and recovery but idk. 3-5 hard sets to failure or like just before it gets uncomfortable(forcing hard and making no progress) seemed to work well.
Bro never skipped brain day
I do some mike metzger style 3 set workouts for certain muscles . Ive seen a shit ton of growth to be entirely honest. I only lift for hours 1 day a week. Usually about 4 hours with plenty of rest throughout. Then 45 min- 1 hour meltzer style 3 days a week .
Its worked for me
Mike's philosophy wasn't to get max growth but to get the most out of the least. Big difference
Never heard him say that, he literally always yapped about extra sets being a waste and just damaging muscle tissue with no benefit. You are twisting something here and slapping his name on it. Don't defend Mentzer, doing 2 sets per muscle group is not gonna do much.
He was going for the olympia ofc he was going for max growth
Stop defending him. He never said that. He always yapped about HIT being the best and multiple sets being a waste.
@skr4207 he didn't really have to say it, if you paid attention to Mike's stuff you can tell he's going for most out of the least, if you've ever truly trained amd absolutely maxed out 100% with drop sets and pyramids ideally with a partner you can get away with 2- 5 set per muscle group for max growth. There are studies showing 10 sets per muscle group per week is optimal for max growth. Sure go ahead and do more its ok but the philosophy is what it is, Mike Menzer was ahead of his time.
@@MichaelB1979 He knew how to sell, that's it.
Mike looks good, I would choose his method xd
Piana had so much implants and weird stuff pumped into his arms it didnt matter what the hell he did at least in his latter days. God bless him
My work schedule only allows for a bizarre every other day split looking something like this:
11am-11:15am
45kg Machine Fly warm up (30)
145 lb incline bench MRM12 (24)
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1pm-1:30pm
40kg 💀 crushers MRM12 (24)
90kg MachFly MRM10 (30)
90-45lb drop set TriCep cable ⬇️ (30)
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3pm-3:15pm
15 lb Side Delt ⬆️ MRM15 (45)
145 lb incline bench MRM10 (20)
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8pm-8:15pm
145 lb incline bench MRM15 (30)
***of course I’m still a super beginner so my progressive overload has been about 15lbs a week on the bench. 5kgs a week on 💀 crushers and 5 lbs and/or 5 reps on side delts per month.
1 to 3 sets per muscle group. Complex exercises as well hitting multiple groups at one time. Squatting as an example. Also if I am doing shoulders do a little bit of arms. Chest a little bit of arms. Also go all out.
I got best results by splitting the body up into 5 different muscle groups and attacking each of those muscle groups with a workout that is usually 6 different movements 4-5 sets per movement. Arm day might look like 3 bicep movements, 3 tricep movements, 3 forearm movements all 4-5 sets per movement
The best results I've ever seen on myself was 3 sets of moderate weight to failure per muscle group, and if there were different variations to the exercise, hitting them all in those 3 sets. E.g. 1 set of regular curls, one set of reverse grip curls, and one set of hammer curls, equaling 3 sets of biceps. Keep in mind, i wasnt trying to become a bodybuilder or compete in any capacity. I was just trying to get in shape.
In practice what Mike says is true
Working out damages the muscle
You can cause tissue damage with one workout per muscle and still gain muscle you just need to cause that damage
For me 3 sets per muscle group, 1 for each part worka great.
Lets say 3 different triceps sets for each head. Or 2 flatbench and 1 incline bench set
*GOOD FUCKING MORNING*
Blud casually forgot Steve Michalik
what does 3-8 sets per muscle entail? like 8 sets for shoulders or 8 sets for front delt, 8 for side and 8 for rear on shoulder day
Wtf
Doing Mike mentzer/reverse pyramid training for even only two sets will shatter any previous splits you’ve tried. Easily the best results. Yeah maybe do volume every once in a while for more endurance
Mr Mike was not only a bodybuilder but also a trainer. He techniques are proven on himself and clientele.... nonetheless do what you believe works for you.
Last time i bothered writing things down i noticed I can do my best for 2-3 sets, then i am weaker so i do some more but with myoreps dropsets or some ultra slow ones.
Thats what set Rich apart from everyone else he truly was in the 5%
Maybe he should say the workouts that rich used to do.
Mentzer is just as dead as Rich.
Next up, who trained better?
Jason Genova or Mike israetel?
I generally follow the mentzer philosophy but I put a minimum of 5 sets to failure into every set. Even if that's 1 rep. It's definitely made me stronger and the eccentric and concentric movements are times with an isometric hold at both the top and bottom.
How tf do you put 5 sets into 1 set?😂
Or just start with Mike mentzer style and if it's not enough slowly add one or two sets or another exercise.
Do a critique of Dorian Yates
Rich Piana designed his workouts around not wanting to leave the gym
That's why they call Dr. MIKE the whizz! He cuts through the BS to give you his expert opinion. Thanks Dr. Mike...
Rich loved being in the gym, wanted to be there all the time. Mike I’m sure enjoyed training but in terms of time spent he literally wanted the exact opposite.
The keyword he used was probably everyone is different some do better at the different extremes especially if you using enhancements 😂
3-8 sets per muscle keeping you big as hell
I have a question.
I'm not tall, just about 5'7". I'm also 48 years old.
I weigh 160lbs. I gain muscle mass very easily. That being the case, at this height, I really dont want to get any bigger/bulkier.
Should I be training to maximize reps with lighter weight, almost to failure, to maintain what I've got, or is there something else I should be doing?
Rich Piana's workouts keep you big as hell
IF....you eat enough.
“Fatigue tolerance” Mike was on adderall rich was on meth there’s no getting tired when ur redlined constantly
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3 vs 8 sets per muscle seems like a very big discrepancy
Most reasonable take. Like political takes. Both sides wrong the middle is what’s right.
Stick with arthur jones, he created the Nautilus machines and states 1 set is all you need
I myself prefer the Mike Mentzer training style.. if done correctly and you go hard it works great.. just try it out for 4 weeks and go to absolute failure
Correct answer is Dorian Yates…Arnold is also acceptable
Mentzer never said one set per muscle.
He said one set per exercise. Everyone screws this up.
"Better than the Rich Shit"
Okay, so do the poor shit! Got it!
Since I been watching the last month I have changed my dieting and pushed almost everything to failure. Went from a bro split to a push, pull, legs. Everything slow and in control. Tapping certain groups when ever they are recovered. Some muscles I hit everyday with a burn out like my side and rear delts
If you’re training genuinely intensely then you don’t need 6-7 days a week bro
@@Verziroolol yea you don’t have to but I am lol hittin everything twice big dawg
don’t spam lateral raises bro
@@shortycrust I'm curious as to why
@@kccody7278 because like any muscle the mid delts require rest to grow
Go rich's route if you're stacking hardcore
Well to be fair piana was also using. So, he had some good recovery as far as lifting. 8 hour arm workout? No way anyone I know could bear that much in a single day. Let alone you would probably get injured. At some point madness is when you keep going and knowing your body stopped the process of recovery and started towards failure to do any sort of great sets. At this point it's like pt until you die.
He said himself he only did the 8-hour arm workout like 4 times ever, though
And Mike was natty or what are you actually implying here lmao. Mike literally used meth as pre workout on top of all the other various substances he was on
@@john_m3619he did not literally use meth stop passing along that nonsense myth.
On a scale of Rich to Mike, right in the middle is ideal huh🤔????
Mike 100%.
If anyone says that they started getting results doing Mentzer one set workouts it because those people were pussy footing around before and never even got close to failure before let alone complete failure
They finally started getting into failure territory and lookout….. results!
To do Rich's workout, you pretty much have to be anabolic, whereas Mike made his style attainable for the average person.....
Mike Mentzer not bullshit he is the real deal 😂😂😂
For some people, I love his leg days, but even doing all the little dodads I don’t really feel the effectiveness for his arms and shoulder training. Still good but I probably might add another set even with the two to three warm up sets.
@@-Jozef well it's because it is the basic knowledge of training Common Sense training Mike mentzer.. what comes to the other guy he cheats a lot you got to remember he takes a lot of steroids and then he takes oil into his arms he put oil in his arms to make him bigger to make like he has bigger larger muscles it's just oil but it is also a health hazard people been taking oil in their arms in the enemy having deaths in health issues inserting oil in your arms
@@dumpsterchild5734Mike also blasted gear and died because of it 😂
@@cia3242 well they do use Mike mentzer's common sense of training today I mean back then people didn't know how to train to build muscle.. you got thousands of influencers will tell you a lot of lies until you take and types of multiple drugs taking pills taking certain medication and telling you to take steroids the only build muscle dude it's just common sense when you think about Mike mentzer the fact is if you really are serious you need to train harder and only do four sets of weight training you don't need to do a thousand 400 sets especially you just common sense especially the other guy he died a much younger age he was not even 30 years old he died because of heart failure and drugs especially you got to realize he had all types of steroids and types of special implants putting oil in your arms Synthol is an injectable oil how many people taking those have health issues in end up dying at younger ages people are not even in their thirties they died in their twenties using oil in your body to make their muscles look bigger it is awesome lead to heart failure in Oregon failure
@@dumpsterchild5734Should not put it in your brain either!
So basically you should Train Like the shadow Dorian yates do i get that Right?
You remind me of Vern Troyer
Everybody swears by mentzers training. I think Dorian Yates had the best idea. He used mentzers principles but added a bit more volume. He had the best of both worlds imo. Also I believe a lot of people are not recovering properly. One set even to absolute failure is just not enough in my experience. Everybody's different though.
rich pajamas bad mike mentos good, got it
Most people are undertraining so to give recommendations to do less is wrong. Eat big to be big, train hard, and sleep well.
52 sets whatever it takes
Idk man, rich got me from 130 to 190 at 3% bodyfat in high school. So obviously something worked
I highly doubt that you were at 3% body fat
So in between
Mike said warm-ups first , THEN one set to absolute failure . The 1 set only thing is a misconception .
It's hard to understand how this key point is always missed.
@@axllomein7215They choose to miss it as it's easier to say Mike was extreme , otherwise it's literally 3 sets !
Yeah, 1 working set. It’s still one set. Beginners probably think a warm up set counts as one when it doesn’t lmao
@jonathancontreras633 Wait, so (assuming it is the same exercise) if I do 2 warm-up sets and 1 working set, that doesn't equal 3 total sets?
Are you using Common Core for weight lifting?
@@axllomein7215 why would you count warm up sets like a working set?? Doesn’t matter how many warm up sets you do to prepare for the one all our set.
3 to 8 sets per week?
Per session, probably twice a week ideally
i got stretch marks on my calves by literally just walking 10km 5 days a week... so i know Rich's method to his madness does work... but ain't nobody got time for doing that for your whole damn body for like 8 hours like he demonstrated
Rich was 2x bigger
bruh Saying to get further from Piana and closer to Mentzer
THEN immediately, within the same HIGH QUALITY SHORT saying
do 5-6, then at the end "8" sets
Which is quite literally the opposite direction of Mentzer...
8 sets to failure is shit Mike Mentzer would never endorse especially if you're actually doing them to failure.
I would model your life on people who didn't die young due to their choices.
I have trouble gauging how long I should rest inbetween sets. Anyone care to give me some rough insight into rest time?
It depends on one's tolerance for pain. I try to take each set to exhaustion and I generally rest less than one minute between sets. Most other people rest at least two minutes between sets. But on the other hand I'm 66 and I've been doing different athletics all my life. I just don't care about the pain of muscle fatigue. So . . . between one and two minutes?
2-3 min for most things. When I last wrote down what I can do, say 8 reps of x kg , i noticed i got that for 2-3 sets. If you can do the same 8 reps after 3 not 2 min, rest 3. Though It's not like I always can give it my best effort for more than one set. Smaller muscles like biceps n side delts can be fine with 1 min rest. Heavy legpress or deadlifts may take 3-6 min to recover. I often do something else in the meantime and pray nobody take the machine...if someone does, I guess I'm more recovered. Calves biceps side delts shrugs all those are not exhausting much by themselves so they fit in gaps between something tough
nah... 8 hour arm day son.
I take the dead guy on that one
There isn't a "Mentzer style workout", only Heavy Duty. He was exact about working out, and anything that wasn't in his books was wrong. All or nothing, that's the flaw.
The difference is Piana was selling a lifestyle and Mentzer was selling _his_ program. Also, if you ever wanted to compare addiction versus obsession you could use these two guys.
Hey Dr. Mike. Does it count as a rest day if I go and give blood?
No. Donating blood is a great reason to chill out for an extra day or 2. By the way jogging before donating blood ain't great either. I mean. Only 10 seconds but I fainted quickly
So 10 sets is too many?
6 sets per muscle per workout is insane, no? 6 sets of bycep curls would put me out of commission for like 4-5 days. I can barely get through the 3d set before my arms litteraly cant pick up anything. Also, wouldnt 6 sets per workout make ever workout long af?
I find riches way works better for me
12:18 wait these guys are gay?!
Huh?
@@David_99778 what the fuck I posted this on a spilling the milk video how did it get here?
Imagine going to the gym to do 3 sets and leave. Kinda bs is that
no, rich had a tolerance to steroids.
Lmao not the mentzer garbage. Yes you as a natural lifter should definitely do 1 set of machine press less than once a week, that will definitely grow your chest.
Way more people would improve doing 1 set as you might actually get on the machine today rather than waiting for some one doing 8 sets and variations zzzzzz + 15 min txting rests
Stop listening to these people and go lift.