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Well fans of this channel know goth chicks fall way below your hot wife. Probably bad idea to talk about his wife just saying she is good looking. Oh, well.
Sorry but you clearly don't no what your talking about, Dr or no Dr. 8 hour arm workouts are legit, Rich knows what he's doing, he's dead we're not, nuff said
I reached out to your team on your website and they advised I put the question here because they don’t think the channel has a video on the subject yet. Would you be able to make a video about how to increase appetite or the scientific literature around appetite for people who struggle to eat enough (aside from the great age old advise to eat MORE) Your channel is a great public service, thank you so much for the valuable content you guys make!!
the 3 eights of life theory, for which we fought so hard in the 20th century: 8 hours of labor, 8 hours of sleep and 8 hours of arm workout. Rich was the GOAT
He may have been entertaining and funny and all but his advice was total bullshit and could cause people to seriously hurt themselves sorry. He was entertainment only and sadly at the expense of his own demise.
@@anthonymartino9917 He is Sam Sulek from a previous life. A lovable jacked guy giving out random advice and entertainment and everyone cheers them while they dig their own grave.
"It doesn't take a fucking scientist to fucking logically understand what I'm saying." LOL.....that quote is funny as hell because Rich meant every word of it.
I do 8 hour back workouts from Monday to Friday at my labour job... So far I've haven't gained any muscle, but I have tons of stiffness and discomfort so it must be working..
My husband has spent 3-4 hours at the gym 6 days a week for YEARS. With that being said, he has muscles obviously and tells me he is the fittest dude around.🙄 With those muscles he doesn't even use them outside the gym. He has an easy job working 6 hours a day as a bus driver and has holidays and summers off. I don't care about his muscles anymore and I cringe when people praise them. It has come at a great cost because he didn't spend time with his kids and I throughout the years or improve our circumstances to get those muscles. Like no hard work doing home improvements or anything because it doesn't fit his schedule. We don't have the $$ to hire someone either. He worships himself literally standing in front of the mirror several times a day just staring while I am raising kids and working. I do workout as well but he gets mad I don't do it as obsessively as him. You know, family responsibilities.....someone has to do them. 😂 He wouldn't last a week in the real world where he had to do anything hard. Hearing someone like you tired physically from a job and being sore from it is something I have never heard him say! I would rather hear that than "I need to lay down and relax because I worked so hard today in my workout!" 😥 His whole world has been the gym for 20+ years and this girl is over it. I guess my experience with a gym rat has left a bitter taste in my mouth😂🤦♀️
more like he overloaded his life into the ground, pretty selfish because he had people who loved him and he basically said " i don't care how you feel" or else he would've quit using roids but he didn't so clearly deep down he only wanted what he wanted instead of what was actually best, incredibly selfish and weak minded to shorten your life for physical appearance
My muscles are extremely intelligent. Its like playing 4D chess. I feel their sentience, they are plotting something, learning my patterns as I train, trying to evade muscle growth.
@@carlpanzram7081 I have just the thing for you. The whole body development strategy centers around a systematic development of a whole-body-mind-muscle-connection. Introducing a multiple frequency load oscillation, base instability or multiple point load approach makes the body engage the core as a medium to bind the body into a solid stable unit. This allows for a concentrated eccentric isometric contraction of core and accessory respiratory muscles to increase the pressure of the nutrient and oxygen distribution in the body as well as the mental centering and focus on the body as a whole during the exercise. In the end all of it combines into a ultimately functionality driven approach to non standard force application that aims to help athletes to compensate for inevitable unpredictable outside influences. Hope that clears it up :-).
10:21 “goth chicks front of the line” quote of the century Edit: (I’m not gonna change it just look at the comment under me for the proper time stamp 💀)
I did the 8 hour arm workout in my early 20’s in my buddy’s garage full gym conversion. I only got through by staring at a box of apples that said “spartan”.
ive heard of many people meeting rich and noone has ever said a bad word about him. whatever demons he had, he aimed them at himself only. you gotta respect it
One lesson from Rich always really stuck with me: greet everyone you meet like they were the first person you spoke to that day. For him, it served as a way to market his brand by leaving a good impression on people, but it's really not a bad life lesson in general.
Well still all these videos are a mega bad influence on the younglings who want to get big by example... So even if it perhaps wasn't his intention, I'm pretty sure he did way more damage than good in the world. How many joints were destroyed because of him, only the lord knows.
@@filipcza2well sorta kinda. 1 Rich often warned people not to do what he did in videos 2 if someone is obsessed with putting on size the will come up with their own dumb shit without the help of Mr Piana. No "sane" person copied him, I certainly never consdered injecting huge amounts of anabolic steroids and doing 8hr workouts after watching his videos. I don't imagine you are that stupid and neither were most people who watched his videos. The ones who were inspired would have done it anyway. Love and peace dude.
2:06 - “The more you put in, the more you get out.” First time I had ever heard Rich mention the PMMA injections in his arms and delts. That kind of openness is refreshing.
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 it's a resin. it's used to make miniatures or fake glass windows when they need something more plasticky and shatterproof. he spent decades building muscle just to cover it with plastic so it looks more 'solid' which works because it's completely inorganic and fake
Rich Piana is a body Building legend got tons of guys into the gym and was honest about his steroid use like 90% of Influencers today aren't. And was a overall positive influence on the gym community.
@@ProjectStarLIGHTS Damn. I remember scooby. It was awful when /fit/ doxxed him for being gay, after loving the dude for years lol. Idk if you were there but if you remember fatlifts you are a fucking legend. I even bought gear from him before him and chemfag got in trouble😂
@@fort809 not to the extent he did them and he was more of a social influencer which is sad cause of him promoting steroids to the impressionable. Also as far as his bodybuilding career did he ever win anything? CBUM stated in an interview that there are certain ones he doesn’t touch and once his career is over he won’t touch them again. I don’t understand how people would risk such major health risks for something temporary
I never realized till watching this video that Rich Piana was who I got the mindset to do two and a half hour workouts from. Over the last two years I swapped that out for high-quality 40-60 minute workouts and have made such better gains.
Also who in their right mind has the time to spend 3/8ths of their non-working/non-sleeping hours each day going to the gym? I think a lot more people would be inclined to lift and exercise if they knew they could get great results by hitting the iron a little under an hour 4-5 days a week.
I used to work at Ingalls shipyard as a welder and then workout for 3 to 4 hours after work. I had to turn sideways to fit through doors. I had to be careful to pay close attention to where I was walking because I would accidently hurt people. It was not sustainable. It turned out to be worth it though. I was riding my bicycle to work and got hit. I totaled the car. At the hospital the only thing that was wrong was I had a hairline fracture in my neck and my soft organs, guts were bruised and rattled so I had messed up bowel movements for a year. I didn't train my neck so that was the weak point that broke. The car that hit me looked like it hit a pine tree. It was totaled. I'm only alive because of Rich Pianna and LGD 4033.
So many of you people claiming about getting more from less 😂 so you made more noticible gains from doing less? What are you a complete beginner? How your gains noticible? After the first few years muscle growth is slow af. If not a beginner ii completely doubt that and youre lying to yourself and us. Its ok if you want to only spend 45 min in the gym l, im the same but im not gonna lie and say i made more gains
@ there is such thing as overtraining. If you’re going 4-5 times a week for 45-60 minutes each time, you’ll definitely put on muscle no matter how long you’ve been training, as long as you are putting in actual work. Most people who workout 2-3 hours a day aren’t getting the proper macros/calories/sleep to fully recover and get the gains they’re working for. They’re also not putting in the proper work if they’re able to last 2-3 hours. Go to the gym and put in an hour of as much effort as possible and you’ll see more gains than some guy who thinks he’s doing more than you. We’re not lying to ourselves or living in denial, we’ve just come to learn that quality is better than quantity.
Had a new inmate decide he was going to get into shape while on lockdown. He did a deck of cards workout (spades are body squats, hearts are pushups, clubs were lunges, diamonds were something I can't remember) number on the card x10, face cards are worth 10 and aces were 15. He did this for an entire day. Gave himself rabdo and his kidneys shut down. He almost died from it
@@ToraAnbu I don't know man. A lot of those guys don't think long term hence why they end up in places like that. They always think now and more is better.
Yeah this one was smooth. Most of the time is placed so randomly that it makes me laugh. Just pops out of nowhere mid discussion, without warning. It is some of the worse, but most hilarious product placement I've ever seen.
I’ve had Rhabdomyolysis and it was horrible. It did take about 3 months to finally feel “normal” again. Was in the hospital for 3 days and lost a little over 15 pounds.
I've had it as well- had to be hospitalized, where the Dr. told me I most likely had kidney damage from it...took 5 bags of iv fluids to flush my kidneys- luckily I recovered with no kidney damage. Scary shit
I had it once from going to Cross Fit for 1 session for the first time and the guy had me do squats for over an hour straight with a PVC pipe instead of barbell and told me to keep going and not slow down. Literally, the entire class was nonstop of this. My piss was so dark and my legs were screwed for like 2.5 months. Never went to Cross Fit again and view it as a psycho cult. I just lift weights in my basement like a normal human now.
I am happy i found this channel. Ftom the perspective of a PHD in exercise science. Its helped me adjust my training and helped me grow more with science based workouts.
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Dr Mike saved me from listening to the nonsense in exercise and taught me everything I need to know to achieve as much as I’m capable of doing safely in the gym. The bits I fail at are down to me and my limitations - no excuses. For that reason I maintain my subscription to support his work, and to ensure I can quickly access all the content if I want to. I’m old now at 48 and understand value more than I worry about price. Good luck in your journey 👍
I've been struggling to figure out what to do with myself going forward for years now. I just want you to know you inspired me to start studying and get a degree in sports dietetics. I was always interested in it (which is why I'm even here) but you gave me the necessary push. Anyone that asks what made me decide, I'm going to direct to Reneissance Periodization. This channel is phenomenal, thank you
I remember an old Muscletech ad with this workout in it. Of course you had to drink a Mesotech and Celltech shake between workouts to “feed the muscles”
That part about not training so much you lose the pump and go numb is absolutely spot on. I was really into martial arts in my 20s and i trained with old school guys who loved doing abs and pushups. On more than one occasion i did so many situps or pushups that the pain went away and i felt like i could go forever. Eventually my shoulders got so burned up and weak i had to stop. It was about a year before i did another pushup. Then in my 30's i overdid ab workouts a couple times and got so sore i struggled to get out of bed and literally felt sick for days. To top it off i have imbalances to the point i pretty much avoid ab work altogether becuase i get crazy back pain the next day. Don't overtrain. If your muscles are cramping and going numb you really should stop.
Rest in peace, Rich. He got me into the gym and working out. Lost 65 lbs on keto (a diet his content introduced me to). He released a 1000 rep arm workout too and i got to 931 reps. No joint pain though. Focused on having absolutely perfect form during the 4 and a half hour madness to honor his death.
While I consider reaction content to be the lowest common denominator of RUclips content, these videos are more like in-depth critiques meant for educational purposes, which I highly respect. I can tell that Mike has enough business-knowledge to know what will get him more views, resulting in more subscribers, and more people listening to his lessons. Good work!
There are different kinds of reaction content; I wouldn't consider an educational, expert critique to be remotely similar to videos where someone's behavior in response to something is a spectacle.
This isn’t bad reaction content. Bad reaction content is people who just film them watching a video and add nothing to it, simply just watch (ex: infinite lists and sssniperwolf)
The 8 hour arm workout was the top meme moment of RUclips bodybuilding fitness in my opinion . Thank god i had some gym experience when that came out because if i had none i sure as hell would have tried it 😂😂😂
After spending two weeks in an induced coma to try to reduce swelling to the brain, Piana died on August 25, 2017 at the age of 46. An autopsy revealed "significant heart disease" and that his heart and liver weighed over twice the average amount for an adult male. Jansen said Piana was well aware that his organs were enlarged, and that this was a known side effect of the steroids and hormones he had been taking.
Note for people looking at this who are considering or already doing steroids: at some point, all of these steroids will not help you put on muscle in any way, and all they will do is mutate your body into something unsustainable that will die. No, it is not smart to keep stacking steroids if you can't achieve enough growth. There are many aspects that can limit your muscle growth, and steroids can only help with some. Don't Rich Piana yourself.
‘Fun’ little anecdote. While in College I was lifting like my degree depended on it, but I trained like a total bro. I didn’t know much about proper training and I had learned most things through RUclips. Starting strength, Alan Thrall, CT Fletcher, and of course, Rich Piana. I was big into his feeder sets, 50 curls and 100 tricep extensions for 3 sets each, and had managed to convince my roommate (mostly sedentary with no prior experience) to join me for a set. We were halfway through when I heard him say “Fitz, I don’t feel so good.” I impatiently turned to him to tell him to grit his teeth and get through, only to see him turn his head and… the left side of his face had gone completely slack. He had a stroke. Apparently he forgot to breathe. He lived.
Jesus FC! This is why bad advice is so bad! People can see stuff like Piana and actually try to emulate what he does and it can seriously mess you up for life. The guy died at 46. If that isn't a cautionary tale I don't know what is.
@@HeadCannonPrime Well in all fairness to both Rich Piana and myself, I never thought I’d have to tell anyone to keep breathing while they lifted. 😅 lesson learned.
@@albertfitzgerald2309 A stroke is caused by a clot blocking blood to parts of the brain or hemorrhaging inside the brain. It doesn't have anything to do with breathing. If I had to guess, your friend overexerted himself, spiked his blood pressure and suffered an intercranial aneurysm. Alternatively, he had some arterial blockage which came loose during the exercise and ended up blocking the blood supply to part of his brain.
@@HowardsCat Makes sense, but when we sat him down in front of a fan to breathe, his face relaxed and he came back to baseline. Genuinely curious, do you know what could have possibly happened internally for him to get better on his own?
Man I haven’t even watched the video all yet but I’d like to take the time to say.. RIP Rich, I used to love watching his videos man he definitely pushed you to that next level. Used to do his bedtime dumbbell sets be4 bed from his vlogs when I used to lift. RIP Rich Hope You Resting Well G💯🫡
I think David's a bit different. He doesn't posture as a fitness guru. He's basically outright said what he does probably isn't the best for him physically, mental strain is his focus.
@@mr.jameson218 that is a fair point and I think you are right that he doesn’t actually advocate people actually do what he does, just that they need grit and mental toughness. That said, it would be interesting to see a thorough, educated opinion on just how destructive to the body those kind of workouts are.
When I was first learning this was literally the video I watched - now we have Dr. Mike. Thank you dr Mike those 8 hour 16 shake workout were really wearing me down
me and two buddies no joke did the 8 hour arm workout a year or two back . It was absolutely insane. I always admired rich piana for his positive message and his bro science
After hearing Dr. Mike’s opinions on goth girls and DBZ characters, I’m starting to think he’s not just a good source for exercise information; he’s also unfathomably based
At first when I started seeing shorts of this dr Mike guy I was like who the hell is this weirdo. And now I can’t stop watching him. He’s hilarious. One of the best guys on the internet if you ask me.
Also he speaks a lot of truth about body pain messaging and muscle damage. I work electrical and have seen new guys get thrown on trenching and think they can go 100% all day long, and then show up to work the next day and do it again. Unless you've worked a shovel for a living before that, or grew up a farmer, I promise you can't. I have personally given myself _mild_ rhabdo trying to cowboy up and prove myself early in my career, and it's _miserable._ Water, electrolytes, rest breaks, stretching, water, and rest breaks. There's no other way to output heavy work for 8+hrs.
it's not the exercise what got to him.. to me , these kinds of training videos seemed to be only image rehabilitation moves for taking eyes away from steroids use - the reason for which he died with an overly enlarged heart also, besides other suspected "recreational" substance abuse; related or not, he looked 64 at 46; but that could be at least partially due to what i'd call protein turnover, accelerating aging.
Loved watching his vlogs back when I was bodybuilding. His road to 315lbs was nuts. And his 100+ reps on leg extensions blew my mind… I didn’t keep that routine very long but still. Haha. Guy motivated the heck out of me every morning and got me to eat my meals when I didn’t want to. 😂 loved Rich and his influence on my fitness story. He is missed.
In the late 70:s my father did a variation of the 10 set 100 reps benchpress. It was a wrestlers program called "10-45-100". The goal was to do 10 sets to failure in 45 minutes and reach 100 reps in total. "Wrestlers workout" based on a hypothesis that they needed to be strong when accumulating fatigue. You started out with a weight light enough to be able to do 15-17 reps and every set was to total failure (ensured by a spotter). You ended up with 3-5 reps in the last set. The rest time was several minutes since the whole workout took 45 minutes. Then the real goal of each workout was to lift as many tons in total, ie calculagte the weight in (kgXnumber of reps), and progress in that way! For example if the weight was 100 kg and you did 100 reps, the total would be 10 tons or 10000 kg (100X100). Weight was raised for the next workout if the number of reps was exceeding a 100. In hindsight it was way to much. Probably based on the (east) german volume training in some way. But even that was not to failure in the first sets (probably accumulated fatigue leading to closer to failure in the last sets). This was to failure in set 1 and onward!
Liked and subscribed. I never won any huge contests and no one outside of my community would remember me, but I started training in 1982 and I competed in powerlifting meets for about 15 years while trying to maintain a lean off-season bodybuilding look. When I saw a video some years ago, where Rich was talking about his drug protocol, and how he was pushing to get to a certain bodyweight I can’t remember what it was now and how much he was eating, I knew that we were witnessing the beginning of the end of his life. I’ve never seen your channel until today. You are hilarious and obviously extremely knowledgeable. I am looking forward to seeing more.
Remember wathcing people like Rich when i was younger (like 10 years ago). Itnteresting to see through a retrospective what kind of nonesens i was listening.
Rich knew 8hr workouts were ridiculous but he was ahead of the times when it came to influencers going viral with silly things. He was smart in that regard.
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Well fans of this channel know goth chicks fall way below your hot wife. Probably bad idea to talk about his wife just saying she is good looking. Oh, well.
Love you big boy.
Sorry but you clearly don't no what your talking about, Dr or no Dr. 8 hour arm workouts are legit, Rich knows what he's doing, he's dead we're not, nuff said
I reached out to your team on your website and they advised I put the question here because they don’t think the channel has a video on the subject yet.
Would you be able to make a video about how to increase appetite or the scientific literature around appetite for people who struggle to eat enough (aside from the great age old advise to eat MORE)
Your channel is a great public service, thank you so much for the valuable content you guys make!!
critiquing someone whos dead, good job u cant surprise with more dissapoint
Doctor: "You only have 8 hours to live"
Rich's angel over my shoulder: "Do it"
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to be fair, I can think of worse ways to go
Rich Piana is that uncle who used to tell you never to smoke because it is bad for you, then continues to smoke.
Smokers would know better than anyone...
Why u gotta attack me
Rich was a legend
"Do as i say, not as i do"
@@tazzthedoodle7861 No he wasn't he was a grifter.
rich piana was the irl amalgamation of every character in guitar hero
A real life Gears of War turtle man
This made me chuckle
@@Torgomasta DOMMMMMMM
Hahahahahahaha
was going to say gears of war but someone beat me to it lmao
Just finished my 8 hour arm workout. I'm in the ICU and about to join Rich in the Great Beyond Gym in the sky. I'm killin it!
Good bye forever
the 3 eights of life theory, for which we fought so hard in the 20th century: 8 hours of labor, 8 hours of sleep and 8 hours of arm workout. Rich was the GOAT
No shower days, my favorite. 😁🤚
@@orangealx1 I sleep in the shower. Stop being a pussy and learn to multi task
He may have been entertaining and funny and all but his advice was total bullshit and could cause people to seriously hurt themselves sorry. He was entertainment only and sadly at the expense of his own demise.
@@anthonymartino9917 He is Sam Sulek from a previous life. A lovable jacked guy giving out random advice and entertainment and everyone cheers them while they dig their own grave.
He is a corpse now. Right?
"It doesn't take a fucking scientist to fucking logically understand what I'm saying." LOL.....that quote is funny as hell because Rich meant every word of it.
What a legendary quote lmao I’m dying
Dude im fucking dying.
LEGEND
😂Read this as he was saying it💀
You can see the exact moment when Dr. Mike got mildly triggered by that quote. 😂
Can't wait to do the 8hr arm workout on the 14th
Haha 😂😂
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I think you should do back on that day since sore back muscles feel like hugs
Ya'll chill out on the replies I watch dr mike to laugh and learn not cry
@@adtjtjdjsjbros experienced ⁉️⁉️
But really, thank you for making your app ad exactly ten seconds long. That's a huge victory for me and for humanity.
I do 8 hour back workouts from Monday to Friday at my labour job... So far I've haven't gained any muscle, but I have tons of stiffness and discomfort so it must be working..
😂
Try increasing it to 9 hours. That's where the magic happens
Ah I know exactly what you talking about. These body builders wouldn't last in doing a tradesman job.
My husband has spent 3-4 hours at the gym 6 days a week for YEARS. With that being said, he has muscles obviously and tells me he is the fittest dude around.🙄 With those muscles he doesn't even use them outside the gym. He has an easy job working 6 hours a day as a bus driver and has holidays and summers off. I don't care about his muscles anymore and I cringe when people praise them. It has come at a great cost because he didn't spend time with his kids and I throughout the years or improve our circumstances to get those muscles. Like no hard work doing home improvements or anything because it doesn't fit his schedule. We don't have the $$ to hire someone either. He worships himself literally standing in front of the mirror several times a day just staring while I am raising kids and working. I do workout as well but he gets mad I don't do it as obsessively as him. You know, family responsibilities.....someone has to do them. 😂 He wouldn't last a week in the real world where he had to do anything hard. Hearing someone like you tired physically from a job and being sore from it is something I have never heard him say! I would rather hear that than "I need to lay down and relax because I worked so hard today in my workout!" 😥 His whole world has been the gym for 20+ years and this girl is over it. I guess my experience with a gym rat has left a bitter taste in my mouth😂🤦♀️
Well Rich did die of a cardiac issue sooo...
Rich didn't progressively overload, he overloaded progression itself R.I.P Rich you were a mad lad.
more like he overloaded his life into the ground, pretty selfish because he had people who loved him and he basically said " i don't care how you feel" or else he would've quit using roids but he didn't so clearly deep down he only wanted what he wanted instead of what was actually best, incredibly selfish and weak minded to shorten your life for physical appearance
@@anomaly3215more like no one give a f what you think
@@birkimrak People with functioning brains do.
@@anomaly3215it’s his life live your own and let the dude rest
@@anomaly3215I mean a lil stupid maybe but why does people caring about you mean you can’t do as you please it’s your life do as you want
Got to throw in the occasional 8 hour workout to confuse the muscle.
WHATEVER IT TAKES, GODDAMNIT
Don't let those pesky muscles get ahead of ya!
My muscles are extremely intelligent. Its like playing 4D chess.
I feel their sentience, they are plotting something, learning my patterns as I train, trying to evade muscle growth.
Its the best possible scenario!
@@carlpanzram7081 I have just the thing for you.
The whole body development strategy centers around a systematic development of a whole-body-mind-muscle-connection. Introducing a multiple frequency load oscillation, base instability or multiple point load approach makes the body engage the core as a medium to bind the body into a solid stable unit. This allows for a concentrated eccentric isometric contraction of core and accessory respiratory muscles to increase the pressure of the nutrient and oxygen distribution in the body as well as the mental centering and focus on the body as a whole during the exercise. In the end all of it combines into a ultimately functionality driven approach to non standard force application that aims to help athletes to compensate for inevitable unpredictable outside influences.
Hope that clears it up :-).
10:21 “goth chicks front of the line” quote of the century
Edit: (I’m not gonna change it just look at the comment under me for the proper time stamp 💀)
10:08
@@MrCmon113thanks- I miss did the time stamp
This man knows how to get goth girls
2 mini-workouts to build the muscle and 14 of them to grind your elbows into dust
For real.
The secret is just dying so young that your joints don't have time to explode.
@@arthurrosa9403as God intended, like the cavemen of old.
right babe
When you're all geared up, you don't feel pain.
I did the 8 hour arm workout in my early 20’s in my buddy’s garage full gym conversion. I only got through by staring at a box of apples that said “spartan”.
Dude 😂😂😂😂😂😂 thank you for making me hysterically laugh
Hahaaa😂
“Big arms win every argument” -Dr. Mike
The way you guys insert your RP app is always amazing. Advertisement done right.
ive heard of many people meeting rich and noone has ever said a bad word about him. whatever demons he had, he aimed them at himself only. you gotta respect it
One lesson from Rich always really stuck with me: greet everyone you meet like they were the first person you spoke to that day.
For him, it served as a way to market his brand by leaving a good impression on people, but it's really not a bad life lesson in general.
Well still all these videos are a mega bad influence on the younglings who want to get big by example... So even if it perhaps wasn't his intention, I'm pretty sure he did way more damage than good in the world.
How many joints were destroyed because of him, only the lord knows.
@@filipcza2well sorta kinda. 1 Rich often warned people not to do what he did in videos 2 if someone is obsessed with putting on size the will come up with their own dumb shit without the help of Mr Piana. No "sane" person copied him, I certainly never consdered injecting huge amounts of anabolic steroids and doing 8hr workouts after watching his videos. I don't imagine you are that stupid and neither were most people who watched his videos. The ones who were inspired would have done it anyway. Love and peace dude.
@@leaflord5462you're a clown.
@leaflord5462 that's just cope. Spreading misinformation, especially to an audience of young boys, is objectively an immoral thing to do.
2:06 - “The more you put in, the more you get out.”
First time I had ever heard Rich mention the PMMA injections in his arms and delts. That kind of openness is refreshing.
What's PMMA?
*"The more stays in" hopefully 😂
@@johannesstephanusroos4969Penis mixed martial arts
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 it's a resin. it's used to make miniatures or fake glass windows when they need something more plasticky and shatterproof. he spent decades building muscle just to cover it with plastic so it looks more 'solid' which works because it's completely inorganic and fake
@@kiwanozukai1180 That's...disturbing
RIP the king. Rich introduced me to gym degeneracy over a decade ago and I never looked back.
😂
dude never looked healthy
did u abuse gear too?
@wills7817 Or his neck got so jacked turning his head risked closing his windpipe from the sheer mass.
Real
Unbelievable, that guys freaking nuts man. The look on his face toward the end of his arm workout said it all
Rich Piana is a body Building legend got tons of guys into the gym and was honest about his steroid use like 90% of Influencers today aren't. And was a overall positive influence on the gym community.
90% is probably low bud. I mean your probably only 9.9% off. Lol!
Alternatively, this video epitomises the stereotypical meathead that "bodybuilders" present themselves as. It's embarrassing.
Your standard for a legend is lower than a snakes vagina.
2014-2018 was crazy. The whole Fitness era RUclips died with Rich. R.I.P
Shit was insane back then. Def was an epoch hahaha
Scooby is the only good one.
@@ProjectStarLIGHTS Damn. I remember scooby. It was awful when /fit/ doxxed him for being gay, after loving the dude for years lol. Idk if you were there but if you remember fatlifts you are a fucking legend. I even bought gear from him before him and chemfag got in trouble😂
@@ProjectStarLIGHTS Scooby was a dirty liar too, tried to claim he was "natural".
😂😂😂😂
Love the respect you give Rich while critiquing his workout. That is high class I truly mean that.
That transition into the RP App advertisement was the smoothest thing I’ve ever seen. Barely had the chance to see it coming and skip it lol.
Sneaky for sure lmao
I don't skip them, they're short enough lol
Traumatize the muscle*
bwhahaha.... Mike's been "Sneaky" with them lately... also the "even sneakier" Scott the camera guy...
@@endlrls it's Scott the Video Guy!
Thank god this video was posted so I can finally start my 8 hour arm workout (just right arm). Thanks Dr. Mike!!
I know that was a joke since no-one could summon up the willpower to stave off a session of pleasing oneself to Dr. Mike.
i remember doing this for 5 hours and got feverish and slept for a whole day. And felt an insane amount of pain for the next week
my brother in christ you probably had rhabdomyolysis
Did you get swole
@@thedisturbedpreist asking the important questions! 😂
@@thedisturbedpreist Yeah from a fucking inflammation
Rich’s workout is an example of why people made the phrase “naturals shouldn’t trainer like enhanced guys”
I know his advice was… interesting, but I get so much nostalgia whenever I watch Rich Piana. I wish he was still around.
RIP Rich. He helped get me started on my journey in the gym. I learned a few movements from him and the concept of eating big to get big.
The concept for Rich was eat big and do ridiculous amounts of steroids
@@Brettmotorcycles Rip Dick Piano
@@Brettmotorcyclesyes, like any other competitive bodybuilder?
same w me
i understand people can criticize him but he did what he wanted and was successful while inspiring tons of people to start working out
@@fort809 not to the extent he did them and he was more of a social influencer which is sad cause of him promoting steroids to the impressionable. Also as far as his bodybuilding career did he ever win anything? CBUM stated in an interview that there are certain ones he doesn’t touch and once his career is over he won’t touch them again. I don’t understand how people would risk such major health risks for something temporary
I never realized till watching this video that Rich Piana was who I got the mindset to do two and a half hour workouts from. Over the last two years I swapped that out for high-quality 40-60 minute workouts and have made such better gains.
Also who in their right mind has the time to spend 3/8ths of their non-working/non-sleeping hours each day going to the gym? I think a lot more people would be inclined to lift and exercise if they knew they could get great results by hitting the iron a little under an hour 4-5 days a week.
I used to work at Ingalls shipyard as a welder and then workout for 3 to 4 hours after work. I had to turn sideways to fit through doors. I had to be careful to pay close attention to where I was walking because I would accidently hurt people. It was not sustainable. It turned out to be worth it though. I was riding my bicycle to work and got hit. I totaled the car. At the hospital the only thing that was wrong was I had a hairline fracture in my neck and my soft organs, guts were bruised and rattled so I had messed up bowel movements for a year. I didn't train my neck so that was the weak point that broke. The car that hit me looked like it hit a pine tree. It was totaled. I'm only alive because of Rich Pianna and LGD 4033.
So many of you people claiming about getting more from less 😂 so you made more noticible gains from doing less? What are you a complete beginner? How your gains noticible? After the first few years muscle growth is slow af. If not a beginner ii completely doubt that and youre lying to yourself and us. Its ok if you want to only spend 45 min in the gym l, im the same but im not gonna lie and say i made more gains
@ there is such thing as overtraining. If you’re going 4-5 times a week for 45-60 minutes each time, you’ll definitely put on muscle no matter how long you’ve been training, as long as you are putting in actual work. Most people who workout 2-3 hours a day aren’t getting the proper macros/calories/sleep to fully recover and get the gains they’re working for. They’re also not putting in the proper work if they’re able to last 2-3 hours. Go to the gym and put in an hour of as much effort as possible and you’ll see more gains than some guy who thinks he’s doing more than you. We’re not lying to ourselves or living in denial, we’ve just come to learn that quality is better than quantity.
Dr. Mike is a comedian, I swear 😂😂 had me cracking up the whole video!
Just fuck already
Yea he’s funny but he’s a huge hater! I think it’s short man syndrome
😂😂😂
For sure 😂😂😂😂
Me too ! His dry sense of humor and timing is great 😂😂😂😂
I had Rhabdo when I was in navy boot camp and was in the hospital for 6 months. My muscles have never been as big or strong since.
RIP Rich. Sad the collab with Rich and Mike can’t happen.
You don’t believe
AI Rich piano inc
Why unlike Dr Mike Rich was totally full of shit and as a consequence of this stupidity he is not dead.
He did it to himself
Rich would never collab with mediocre Mike Israetel
Had a new inmate decide he was going to get into shape while on lockdown. He did a deck of cards workout (spades are body squats, hearts are pushups, clubs were lunges, diamonds were something I can't remember) number on the card x10, face cards are worth 10 and aces were 15.
He did this for an entire day. Gave himself rabdo and his kidneys shut down. He almost died from it
the way I burst out laughing when you said he did this for an entire day, how the fk do ppl come up with these things? 🤣🤣
@@ToraAnbu I don't know man. A lot of those guys don't think long term hence why they end up in places like that. They always think now and more is better.
@@jonathanbullman7058 You were the smartass of that bunch, right?
@@jonathanbullman7058ROFL bro. Thank you.
@@lecobra418 and you the dumbass?
Mannnnn that transition into the RP app plug was smooth
So smooth I downloaded that shit on accident
Yeah this one was smooth. Most of the time is placed so randomly that it makes me laugh. Just pops out of nowhere mid discussion, without warning. It is some of the worse, but most hilarious product placement I've ever seen.
I did the bicep exercise u suggested dr, and it WORKS, amazing stretch and they feel great, thanks for the lesson
I’ve had Rhabdomyolysis and it was horrible. It did take about 3 months to finally feel “normal” again. Was in the hospital for 3 days and lost a little over 15 pounds.
It inflated the whole body..😒like a balloon!🙄🎈
I've had it as well- had to be hospitalized, where the Dr. told me I most likely had kidney damage from it...took 5 bags of iv fluids to flush my kidneys- luckily I recovered with no kidney damage. Scary shit
@@gisellesbikeseat Yeah..🙄
IT has to change the diet to replace it.🧐
I had it once from going to Cross Fit for 1 session for the first time and the guy had me do squats for over an hour straight with a PVC pipe instead of barbell and told me to keep going and not slow down.
Literally, the entire class was nonstop of this.
My piss was so dark and my legs were screwed for like 2.5 months.
Never went to Cross Fit again and view it as a psycho cult.
I just lift weights in my basement like a normal human now.
I’ve had it too. It was a Pr day that’s all I’m going to say.
This workout makes sense for Rich. The man was an addict in every sense of the word.
He didn't actually do 8 hour arm workouts though,he was just over exaggerating with lies for attention and publicity.
He didn't actually do this workout you clown,he's just selling bs
@@johnnyblasterfan9902dunno man, he was crazy enough to actually do it
Cleanest Hypertrophy app transition yet. 10/10
I am happy i found this channel. Ftom the perspective of a PHD in exercise science. Its helped me adjust my training and helped me grow more with science based workouts.
DAWN YOU ARE SO BEAUTIFUL ADORABLE SEDUCTIVE RAVISHING SEXY CAPTIVATING AND PASSIONATE YOUR BEAUTY IS PHENOMENAL IF MOZART WERE ALIVE TODAY YOU WOULD BE HIS MUSE LET ME FALL IN LOVE WITH YOU MARCVOLPE ❤
He’s a fat guy. Seems like the science isn’t working
Not listened to Dr Mike for a little while but I’m happy to be back! Just brilliant!
Bro how much money do you have man????
Dr Mike saved me from listening to the nonsense in exercise and taught me everything I need to know to achieve as much as I’m capable of doing safely in the gym. The bits I fail at are down to me and my limitations - no excuses.
For that reason I maintain my subscription to support his work, and to ensure I can quickly access all the content if I want to. I’m old now at 48 and understand value more than I worry about price.
Good luck in your journey 👍
Thanks man
@@Matt_Boxingnice username
I've been struggling to figure out what to do with myself going forward for years now. I just want you to know you inspired me to start studying and get a degree in sports dietetics. I was always interested in it (which is why I'm even here) but you gave me the necessary push. Anyone that asks what made me decide, I'm going to direct to Reneissance Periodization. This channel is phenomenal, thank you
Congratulations! 🤗
That’s really amazing! Congratulations!!
1:17 Eight hour arm workout!!!
Smoothest transition 2:53
Not as smooth as
@@nightfighter7452as? Go on
Ass? @@_-God
I remember an old Muscletech ad with this workout in it. Of course you had to drink a Mesotech and Celltech shake between workouts to “feed the muscles”
I think tamer El gundy did this in a flex magazine one time too
@@Disneymagic24one time as opposed to once
I love getting v shred ads on dr Mike’s videos
🤣 Dr. Mike's favorite
Got my first today too!
V-shred is like the dreaded door to door salesman when you tell him to get the f***k out of here and slam the door in his face. Lol 😅
That part about not training so much you lose the pump and go numb is absolutely spot on. I was really into martial arts in my 20s and i trained with old school guys who loved doing abs and pushups. On more than one occasion i did so many situps or pushups that the pain went away and i felt like i could go forever.
Eventually my shoulders got so burned up and weak i had to stop. It was about a year before i did another pushup.
Then in my 30's i overdid ab workouts a couple times and got so sore i struggled to get out of bed and literally felt sick for days. To top it off i have imbalances to the point i pretty much avoid ab work altogether becuase i get crazy back pain the next day.
Don't overtrain. If your muscles are cramping and going numb you really should stop.
I wouldn’t do this 8 hr work out. But, much of Rich’s workouts are worth trying! He was a good guy in person!!! RIP Rich… 😢❤
Rest in peace, Rich. He got me into the gym and working out. Lost 65 lbs on keto (a diet his content introduced me to). He released a 1000 rep arm workout too and i got to 931 reps. No joint pain though. Focused on having absolutely perfect form during the 4 and a half hour madness to honor his death.
RIP elbows :D
While I consider reaction content to be the lowest common denominator of RUclips content, these videos are more like in-depth critiques meant for educational purposes, which I highly respect. I can tell that Mike has enough business-knowledge to know what will get him more views, resulting in more subscribers, and more people listening to his lessons. Good work!
No doubt
There are different kinds of reaction content; I wouldn't consider an educational, expert critique to be remotely similar to videos where someone's behavior in response to something is a spectacle.
This isn’t bad reaction content. Bad reaction content is people who just film them watching a video and add nothing to it, simply just watch (ex: infinite lists and sssniperwolf)
@@jacobstarr9010like movie and series and anime reactions?
He is here to make money 😊
The 8 hour arm workout was the top meme moment of RUclips bodybuilding fitness in my opinion . Thank god i had some gym experience when that came out because if i had none i sure as hell would have tried it 😂😂😂
I did it when I started but spread it out through 8 days. Lol
Rich was a legend and still will be. Love your vids doc.
Learned alot of good lifts from Rich's channel back in the day. Zotman curls forever in my routine since.
After spending two weeks in an induced coma to try to reduce swelling to the brain, Piana died on August 25, 2017 at the age of 46. An autopsy revealed "significant heart disease" and that his heart and liver weighed over twice the average amount for an adult male. Jansen said Piana was well aware that his organs were enlarged, and that this was a known side effect of the steroids and hormones he had been taking.
Note for people looking at this who are considering or already doing steroids: at some point, all of these steroids will not help you put on muscle in any way, and all they will do is mutate your body into something unsustainable that will die. No, it is not smart to keep stacking steroids if you can't achieve enough growth. There are many aspects that can limit your muscle growth, and steroids can only help with some. Don't Rich Piana yourself.
OMG!!!
REALLY???
Did you found that yourself???
I think he overdid it a little sometimes, yeah.
He literally did "whatever it takes" to get that extra inch, even giving up those years of his life.
His body his choice. Ill pass on all that.
‘Fun’ little anecdote. While in College I was lifting like my degree depended on it, but I trained like a total bro. I didn’t know much about proper training and I had learned most things through RUclips. Starting strength, Alan Thrall, CT Fletcher, and of course, Rich Piana. I was big into his feeder sets, 50 curls and 100 tricep extensions for 3 sets each, and had managed to convince my roommate (mostly sedentary with no prior experience) to join me for a set. We were halfway through when I heard him say “Fitz, I don’t feel so good.” I impatiently turned to him to tell him to grit his teeth and get through, only to see him turn his head and… the left side of his face had gone completely slack. He had a stroke. Apparently he forgot to breathe. He lived.
Jesus FC! This is why bad advice is so bad! People can see stuff like Piana and actually try to emulate what he does and it can seriously mess you up for life. The guy died at 46. If that isn't a cautionary tale I don't know what is.
@@HeadCannonPrime Well in all fairness to both Rich Piana and myself, I never thought I’d have to tell anyone to keep breathing while they lifted. 😅 lesson learned.
@ABC-xg5ii if that’s not the case then I’d love for Dr Mike to pick up this story and explain what possibly happened.
@@albertfitzgerald2309 A stroke is caused by a clot blocking blood to parts of the brain or hemorrhaging inside the brain. It doesn't have anything to do with breathing.
If I had to guess, your friend overexerted himself, spiked his blood pressure and suffered an intercranial aneurysm. Alternatively, he had some arterial blockage which came loose during the exercise and ended up blocking the blood supply to part of his brain.
@@HowardsCat Makes sense, but when we sat him down in front of a fan to breathe, his face relaxed and he came back to baseline. Genuinely curious, do you know what could have possibly happened internally for him to get better on his own?
I heard 8 hours of arm training and my elbows walked out on me.
Rich piano is and always will be a legend
For walking like a penguin
@VikVaughnMISC daaang he would have probably weighed 190lbs easy bro
We all love the Piano Man, but no fucking body ever should do this.
Also, good transition to the app plug!
I tried to bench my body weight and did the roll of shame 10 times, so I'm now a proud member of Rich Piana's 100% club!
Man I haven’t even watched the video all yet but I’d like to take the time to say.. RIP Rich, I used to love watching his videos man he definitely pushed you to that next level. Used to do his bedtime dumbbell sets be4 bed from his vlogs when I used to lift. RIP Rich Hope You Resting Well G💯🫡
RIP Rich. He was and still is a motivator period
Awesome video btw, will be subscribing after this one.
He was no motivator. I watched his videos as entertainment only. No actual value. He was defo a candidate for the Darwin Awards.
A motivator?? For stupid ideas and bad advice?? 🤣
His drive was motivating dum dum
The commentary is hilarious and informative. Thank you for making my Friday so much more enjoyable!!
Always hilarious with Dr. Mike!😂😂
Should do one of these on David Goggins!
Seconding this. 🎉
Wow, I would actually love to see that. And talk about destroying your joints...
I think David's a bit different. He doesn't posture as a fitness guru. He's basically outright said what he does probably isn't the best for him physically, mental strain is his focus.
@@mr.jameson218 that is a fair point and I think you are right that he doesn’t actually advocate people actually do what he does, just that they need grit and mental toughness. That said, it would be interesting to see a thorough, educated opinion on just how destructive to the body those kind of workouts are.
@@mr.jameson218 Guy fucking runs and pretends it's the mentally toughest thing in the world. Bitch couldn't raise his own children.
This is the first long form video of yours I've seen. I wanna get bigger by losing fat and gaining muscle and your channel seems like good motivation.
Such an honest guy! Wish more were as open to how they made their gains.
When I was first learning this was literally the video I watched - now we have Dr. Mike. Thank you dr Mike those 8 hour 16 shake workout were really wearing me down
This Rich Piana video is *THE PERFECT* meme material.
Rich was a buddy a good hearted guy that never denied his craziness! And would share info with a smile! RIP big guy 🫡
Rich’s deep dark secret is that we busted him eating a cookie
Ugh oh busted!! Right babe?
You mean you watched one of his videos? He ate a cookie on camera before entering the gym.
"Uhh ohh! Busted" his videos were gold haha.
Rich was a friend when many of us didn't have one. He was honest and constant. It's what alot of us needed in highschool
hmmmmmmmmm
Bro got me through a dark time.
I met a lot of celebrities and influencers but He was the one I needed to meet but didn't. I am sure the community misses him ever so.
replaced by sam sulek now
Dude, Rich had more swag in his pinky that Sam will ever have. Don't diss the legend like that man, only one Rich.
Been waiting for this for ever
me and two buddies no joke did the 8 hour arm workout a year or two back . It was absolutely insane. I always admired rich piana for his positive message and his bro science
I love Dr. Mike Rates! His videos are great! Funny and informative. I am hooked. I will be watching more. 👍
You can think of Rich whatever you want, but he left a void behind him. May he rest in peace.
Je will be missed.
He spread misinformation and abused drugs till his heart failed. Glad he captured a generation of sheep.
@@andrewhall5150 wow, an autocorrect. Jebo ti bog mater, correct that.
Je will be remembered
“Good fuc’in morning.” Yep. Enjoyed him.
After hearing Dr. Mike’s opinions on goth girls and DBZ characters, I’m starting to think he’s not just a good source for exercise information; he’s also unfathomably based
Salute to the buff goth girls!
What video was this?
Cringe
I guess you could say someone like Richard Pryor also got unfathomably based.
Damn just fell on this channel. Incredible job 😂😅 you're hilarious I love it
RIP TO THE BIG MAN!!! Besides the workouts, his day in the life videos helped me a lot in a dark time. Love you rich !!
Love the humor mate. Makes learning a lot more fun. Keep up the great work!
1:26 steroids
1:35 damn it!
na there's no way
Wrong ! He was very upfront about his steroid use. Probably the most outspoken on the topic.
You couldn't be more wrong 🤦
@@Juggernaut4794 no one said he wasn't? wtf
@@Juggernaut4794 👈🏼🤡
At first when I started seeing shorts of this dr Mike guy I was like who the hell is this weirdo. And now I can’t stop watching him. He’s hilarious. One of the best guys on the internet if you ask me.
Also he speaks a lot of truth about body pain messaging and muscle damage.
I work electrical and have seen new guys get thrown on trenching and think they can go 100% all day long, and then show up to work the next day and do it again.
Unless you've worked a shovel for a living before that, or grew up a farmer, I promise you can't.
I have personally given myself _mild_ rhabdo trying to cowboy up and prove myself early in my career, and it's _miserable._
Water, electrolytes, rest breaks, stretching, water, and rest breaks. There's no other way to output heavy work for 8+hrs.
Dead at 46.
This level of exercise is quite literally insane.
it's not the exercise what got to him.. to me , these kinds of training videos seemed to be only image rehabilitation moves for taking eyes away from steroids use - the reason for which he died with an overly enlarged heart also, besides other suspected "recreational" substance abuse;
related or not, he looked 64 at 46; but that could be at least partially due to what i'd call protein turnover, accelerating aging.
I heard he was actually a very kind and warm person. It's a shame he died at such a young age when he didn't have to. RIP Rich.
Dr. Mike! Your play by play and commentary are killing me🤣
Loved watching his vlogs back when I was bodybuilding. His road to 315lbs was nuts. And his 100+ reps on leg extensions blew my mind… I didn’t keep that routine very long but still. Haha.
Guy motivated the heck out of me every morning and got me to eat my meals when I didn’t want to. 😂 loved Rich and his influence on my fitness story. He is missed.
In the late 70:s my father did a variation of the 10 set 100 reps benchpress. It was a wrestlers program called "10-45-100". The goal was to do 10 sets to failure in 45 minutes and reach 100 reps in total. "Wrestlers workout" based on a hypothesis that they needed to be strong when accumulating fatigue.
You started out with a weight light enough to be able to do 15-17 reps and every set was to total failure (ensured by a spotter). You ended up with 3-5 reps in the last set. The rest time was several minutes since the whole workout took 45 minutes.
Then the real goal of each workout was to lift as many tons in total, ie calculagte the weight in (kgXnumber of reps), and progress in that way!
For example if the weight was 100 kg and you did 100 reps, the total would be 10 tons or 10000 kg (100X100).
Weight was raised for the next workout if the number of reps was exceeding a 100.
In hindsight it was way to much. Probably based on the (east) german volume training in some way. But even that was not to failure in the first sets (probably accumulated fatigue leading to closer to failure in the last sets). This was to failure in set 1 and onward!
Dr Mike please hold me
I'll let him know
I mean he did say make a move in the comments 🤔
Super gay
wtf
creep
Rich did some crazy stuff, but he will always be missed in the community. RIP
Best workout commentary is always Dr Mike for the win
Liked and subscribed. I never won any huge contests and no one outside of my community would remember me, but I started training in 1982 and I competed in powerlifting meets for about 15 years while trying to maintain a lean off-season bodybuilding look. When I saw a video some years ago, where Rich was talking about his drug protocol, and how he was pushing to get to a certain bodyweight I can’t remember what it was now and how much he was eating, I knew that we were witnessing the beginning of the end of his life. I’ve never seen your channel until today. You are hilarious and obviously extremely knowledgeable. I am looking forward to seeing more.
I would absolutely love to see Mike and rich critique each other to each others face. Peak interaction
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"I am but a vessel of her desires" i spot another man of culture! No joke that's funny 😂😂
garage videos are great, keep em comin 🤘
Remember wathcing people like Rich when i was younger (like 10 years ago). Itnteresting to see through a retrospective what kind of nonesens i was listening.
Rich knew 8hr workouts were ridiculous but he was ahead of the times when it came to influencers going viral with silly things. He was smart in that regard.
Bingo 🎯
Rich was the guy who taught me how not to train. But his honesty was what made me learn, so i appreciated his presence.
Love the great information doc I learned a lot from you
One very important part you missed out is that piano man has left humanity behind, different species all together.
I love you approach, good stuff, appreciate your content and humor must be a NYer thing , god bless.
Rich was a legend in the fitness community and talked about things no one else would. SIP 🤲
He copied Bostin Loyd. He was also an informant. Congrats you idolize a rat.
Makes me feel evil but.. "His heart grew 3 sizes that day"