Exercise Scientist Critiques Dr. Joel Seedman's Absurd Training Antics
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0:00 Dr Joel Seedman
2:50 Squat depth
4:42 Trap Bar Blue Ball Deadlift
9:49 Best results; No injuries
12:58 Bosu squats
14:50 5 Exercises in 1
17:14 Squat bar-trap bar deadlift 
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Why did you call Joel Seedman White? He's clearly Jewish.
Seedman is a joke, and us Jewish folks need to own this one instead of passing the buck on to White folks! 😅
How about doing an unstable exercise after one of the staples? I was trained by a guy who trains gold medal Olympians (this was 20 years ago). He swore by this method. Eg. Chest press superset by pushups on a bosu or Swiss/therapy ball. Front squat or back squat superset with bodyweight squats on bosu ball or Swiss ball?
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My videos are literally better than this Joel Seedman's videos, and I'm just a random burnout. Actually wild.
The ball thing is crazy he was and he was not enjoying it lol
It's super funny how Mike was extra nice to Joel first time around, but by now has no patience left for his BS
There’s an old super training podcast I think ? Where they debate for a bit
Mikes also on tren now and if you're a long time viewer you can tell in these types of videos
@@emmang2010 yep. Got that head vein just pulsing with the rage. He's not wrong, its just funny to see him get worked up.
@@HeadCannonPrime It really is.
Haha I was wondering why he was so nice the first time. This is good to see 😆
The most annoying thing about Seedman is that apparently 80% of the time, he trains people with the standard stuff even though his Instagram reel is only the useless stuff. Dude is just a boring clickbaiter.
I was going to comment, but you beat me to it. Seedman's 80/20 principle: do standard lifts 80 percent of the time, complex lifts 20% of the time. Basically, grow and get stronger from the 80% and do the 20% for ... reasons.
I find it annoying that he uses such jargon, which is fine for some audiences, that will reach mostly casual viewers. They may not understand some of it and just assume that it is totally correct!
Is it just me or does Joel looks like Eric Helms.
Yeah. He is Eric Helm s evil twin@@emmang2010
I know he says that but I don’t believe him
Remember that time Joel openly admitted to Dr Mike that his nonsense is literally just to sell his material when 90+% of what he does and does with athletes are the basics? I do
Some of the stuff he’s doing making no sense so I assumed
link?
@@yurmumsgjeyIt was said on a video that was posted on Mike's RUclips channel when Seidman debated Israetel.
Pepperidge Farms remembers
@@yurmumsgjey just search for a podcast with their names included. mike was a surprise guest. Seedman did not know beforehand
Had a V-Shred add pop up while watching this. Perfect timing!
AVERAGE V SHREAD W
Got hit with a bunch of v shred ads while watching Dr Mike dismantle v shred’s bullshit. Hilarious irony.
Doing my eccentric isometric hip hinged banded explosive box squat jumps with the earthquake bar and super setting with isolateral dual kettlebell static swings while watching this video.
*hits you with bosu ball
Holy shit I couldn't read more than a few words of that
Yeah, but are you doing it at 90 degrees?
consider this one added to my crossfit routine
😂😂😂
The guy who he’s hitting with the ball, Chris Carson, had a career ending neck injury too.
He has that wildass video where he’s bonking him in the head with a ball too, absolutely hilarious
No way seriously!? Confirmation of total nonsense fr omg
Looked this up and you're absolutely right
Lmao
And he proudly posts that non of his athletes get injured… this comment should be pinned 100%
An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity. - Terry Davis
The worst part about that neck ball nonsense is that athlete is Chris Carson, an incredibly tough running back for Seattle Seahawks, who unfortunately had to retire prematurely because of *checks notes* a NECK INJURY. I'd call that poetic justice if I didn't feel so bad for Mr. Carson who was indeed a tough football player. Can't make this stuff up.
And this doctor is apparently bopping him in the head with a yoga ball during deadlifts as rehabilitation lol.
I'm shocked you aren't also calling him out on not even doing 90 degrees on any of his squats. He's doing like 45 degrees because he's not strong enough to do those weights at all.
I'm about halfway through the video, and I had to come searching for someone else who noticed this! Absolutely maddening!
I left a comment saying this exactly to Joel and he responded by saying that his knees did in fact hit 90° because he was leaning more forward at the ankles... I was shooketh 🤣🤣
Half squats and quarter squats are better for explosiveness when it comes to athletic population. There's a study on this by Rhea et. al. called 'Joint-Angle Specific Strength Adaptations Influence Improvements in Power in Highly Trained Athletes '. Pretty sure partial roms for squats also improve full squat max.
Point is half and quarter squats simulate the starting position in sprinting and jumping. Tell me a sport where you develope power from full squat position.
@TheJimLahey combat sports. Football. Basketball. Rugby. Soccer (goalies). Baseball (multiple positions).
I could go on, but what sports have you engaged in?
@@valspals9188 none of those go under 90 degrees except maybe combat sports.
what are you talking about? Especially a goalie. Ever seen a goalia in full squat position? Rugby players sprint and their starting position is closer to half squat.
I feel like you don't understand what a full squat position is if you think soccer goalies engage in it.
I love seeing these snake oil salesmen called out and get their balls busted. You’re a saint Dr. Mike!
I've seen a few clips of his and I legitimately thought it was just trolling. I never in my life thought it was something he portrayed as genuine advice.
I'm shocked it is, and glad Dr. Mike is tearing him apart 😂
joel is proof that you can get a decent physique just by doing... literally any thing in the gym as long as you go consistently
Consistent and with high effort
And that advanced degrees are kind of meaningless...
No because that's not actually how he trains
Depends on the view doesn't it.
He does train regularly
But not doing what he is selling
@DarthNoshitam that is not at all what that means. Doing random things, without a clue, leads to gains but zero understanding why. The degree and knowledge rules out the b.s over time.
Honestly having someone who’s instructed and has actual licenses that isn’t scared of being straight forward critiquing the bs around the gym industry is a blessing. When this series ends (hopefully in a long time) it will be missed. Thank you Dr Mike, and RP your contribution should be praised more
I figured out his following, and it's something I haven't seen any seedman critiques mention. He's very openly Christian and a surprising amount of the followers that defend his content reply with "thoughts and prayers!" or "thanks doing the lord's work, Joel" in the comments. Rather than being a lifting coach, he has set himself up as a lifting preacher - a religious lifting authority that's not to be questioned. You don't have to understand, because his techniques work in mysterious ways.
P.S. The guy that he was hitting with a medball broke his neck on the field one week after that reel.
doesn't he say "since post operation" meaning he broke his neck before that reel which makes this the "rehabilitation"
That's an interesting observation. Perhaps there is some element of conspirscy mindedness that's giving the whole "conventional wisdom and knowledge is wrong, I'm the ine with the real secret answers" implications of his content?
Holy shit thats hilarious. Makes sense cause hes from Georgia lol. The guy breaking his neck better have chargebacked the personal training payments 😂 thats just too good to be true.
No, he' is in fact a member of the tribe as Mike alluded to
I have never felt a video more in my soul then 13 minutes in. The frustration of that moment is 100% felt
I've been a trainer for a decade and I jad to pause the video and laugh
Mike talking about how not everyone likes RP, and that some people have actually gotten negative results from the program speaks volume to his integrity to me. Yes, not everything works for everyone, that's the real world. For him to actually say that goes a long way to demonstrate honesty, transparency and integrity and I am here for it.
I though (and hoped) that this about the guy on Tiktok that is training for badminton tournament :D You should critique him also, it's quite similar to this :D
Thats what I was hoping for! The badminton training guy probably ain’t training hard enough to dictate a vid tbh .. lol
Greatest meme lifter on the internet🦍 mikeymaybeme
He trains that way because of the badminton meme. Tik tok dude is just joking
Dr Mike's amazing explanations is why I discovered this channel, moments like 8:51 is why I'm still here
That line killed me x.x
BOI GET ANGY
5:24 💀
My first intro to Joel Seedman was a guy I worked with who claimed Joel was his personal traimer, but he also claimed he picked up four girls in one weekend by playing guitar on his porch and was best friends with Morgan Freeman AND was an executive chef at three restaurants while also being a full time student and gym weekday opener so... honesty never had a super close link in my brain.
What song was he playing on guitar?
@@HkFinn83 Darude - Sandstorm
Had a coworker who claimed Charlize Theron followed him on Tik Tok and slept with over 3 thousand girls in his life... he also said his special cologne makes girls literally wet around him (funny part is I saw him get shot down twice in a day when he tried asking out girls walking by).
He also claimed certain supplements he takes melts away body fat and that's how he lost 30 pounds and didn't work out... oh ya, he's also a notorious liar that nearly everyone disliked and got himself fired....I found his lies entertaining cuz he was delusional af
Yeah I now the guys his dad was the navy seal that killed hitler
@@ColinKing probably what attracted the girls in threes and fours
Being a 4 year trainer / 7+ lifter and just completed my degree in exercise science, I can not understand why people are doing all this flashly stuff. It's freaking wild
I don't know why it took me so long to discover your channel, but I'm glad I did! You are my absolute favorite expert on the subject of fitness! Thanks for making me laugh out loud while educating me.
Mike going after Joel like Layne Norton going after Paul Saladino. You love to see it.
Yet for some reason people actually defend Joel Seedling and Paul Saladboy
There’s no winner between Layne and Paul unfortunately
Paul is correct.
9:00 That was the first clip I saw or heard of Joel. During lockdowns he said this was what could help “maintain” muscle mass. I genuinely thought he was a social media comedian at first
Love, love, love Dr. Mike. He's so damn informative, funny, honest and refreshing.
Keep preaching science! Just found your channel and love it.
Reason why I know Dr Mike's channel is worth every minute I spent on his content? Beside vast knowledge and will to educate people, he is not afraid to say that no product yields 100% satisfaction or success rate even when talking about his own products.
These days it's very hard to find someone like Dr Mike that actually says what he really believes and doesn't do random shit that gets views.
Thank you Dr Mike 🥰.
"Alright what do we got? We got kettlebell... We got titties"
An all time Dr. Mike quote
Why has it taken me this long to have discovered this channel?! Dr. Mike smart guy holds who holds no punches and the commentary is truthful and hilarious.
Joel does a good job of spreading his *Seed* all over the fitness industry 💦
he really is the man
It was an obvious pun. But a good one nonetheless 🤣❤
Joel "Bukkake" Seedman
Is it just me or does Joel looks like Eric Helms.
What an unfortunate last name he has 😂🤣
congrats on 1 mil!! you guys have really helped me learn alot about the gym (started 5 months ago) keep it up
Thank God, you posted this video because I’ve been contemplating following this guy for a while, but found his workout so weird, I appreciate this video
mike clearly just doesn't understand badminton as a sport.
Seedman is like a South Park character IRL
I love the clips of seedman doing what i like to call the high-intensity tantrum exercise. Just flailing around with no weight looking like he's trying to hold back the world's heaviest nut. Amazing stuff.
12:58 left me deceased 💀 your editor deserves a raise for this one
Dr. Mike critique videos are the best thing on RUclips! Respect. Dope. Right on.
The commentary is always fun but it's really the editing that makes this series gold.
I love these videos because they’re funny, but then Dr. Mike slips in actual useful information too. I get to laugh and learn. I’d love to see Dr. Mike and Dr. Layne Norton calling out people together.
At 13:00 minutes honestly tops everything else it’s the pound for pound champ of clownery
In my personal opinion, this is the funniest video you have done that I have seen. I also love the full transparency, too many fitness professionals acting like they never make mistakes. Good Stuff as per usual
Bravo Scott the video guy and dr Mike. I giggled all the way through my cardio with this one 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Just saw that you got the 1 Million. Congratz, it's absolutely deserved. Love the content and humor. Keep up the great work!💪
I was waiting for this!
Thank you for the content Dr. Mike. 🙏
"eccentric isometrics" had me rolling because I literally looked up a chart of these terms when I started to take lifting seriously and EVEN I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE
I find it interesting that Seedman had Chris Carson doing neck perturbations, but Carson retired early due to a neck injury.
Yeah, ironic right 😂
Love how real Mike is. Totally no BS he is realistic about his own products in that they might not be for everyone. A great fitness role model and general role model too
I’ve been waiting for this one since the series started!!!!
Finally, the video we've all been waiting for!
1:45 uhm akshually, 🤓 the stealth abilities of stealth fighters depends entirely on the outside of the frame, not its circuitry 🤓
:P Yeah, but if Skunkworks told us "it's just black paint; any black paint will do the trick", I'd be *very* surprised.
Also fun to know, his plates are not "correctly colorcoded"
His greens are 10lbs, yellow 25lbs, blue 35lbs, red 45lbs
So every lift seems more than it actually is
(You can see the numbers on the plates in his videos)
That's the same as my gym lol
@@Hellion6325 yeah i have seen them in some videos in other gyms too and i hate them, i dont know whose idea that was lol
I think the book recommendation is probably good for most people too! Thanks, I’m going to check it out.
Quickly becoming my fav youtube fitness channel :D
Another hilarious commentary with truth behind the jokes!! I would love to talk shop with you sometime about your opinion on optimal exercises for Volleyball athletes specifically, with improving injury reduction, as well as force production in season.
hi coach donny! :3
This would be a fantastic collab! Make it happen!
@@bn9k693hello!!
Scott's giggles in the back are low key the best parts of these 😂
I love the V Shred ads before these vids lmfao love the content Dr. Mike keep it up
Love the information you provided
Being a Doctor isn't enough. Being a Doctor and obviously talking sense is why Mike is trusted and has credibility.
He's "doctorate" is in kinesiology!
You know what I love when under extremely heavy loads? Wobbling all over the place. I can't see how that could possibly go wrong but in fairness I did have my imagination surgically removed
Was it injured in an accident while wobbling all over the place while lifting heavy weight
@@richardommundsen2417 it was an elective surgery under the advice of Dr Manseed
Just once i lost focus on form during deadlift, thus making it a wobbly one, the next second i knew I F***D UP. Save my back or spare the floor? The game was on. TLDR: Back pain won
It's so interesting to see the difference in style between their first debate review and this video.
Love it!
Would you do a video responding to Tom
Haviland? Would love to get your take on him.
I tracked some of his nfl athletes a few years ago. Most got injured
I lost it at 12:01 🤣Classic Dr. Mike!
Man, your funny! .......with truth! I busted out laughing at work 3 times. As an OG ex powerlifter/bodybuilder/BJJ guy, Glad i found you 👍
Posting this video link in every Seedy post I find from now on
Dr Joel Seedman is the Neil Breen of the fitness industry.
Underrated comment
I need part 2 of this video!
Love when a professional calls out BS with this level of anger. Soooooo good
While this video is 10/10 entertaining, it's also helpful! There are so many trainers/influencers out there who are full of crap, and this helps teach you how to spot red flags 🚩🚩🚩
Thinking back to the Thor video, I’m wondering if Dr. Mike would a video around Tom Hardy’s transformation into Bane for The Dark Knight Rises. From what I remember, he bulked up in a super short period and he said it wasn’t healthy, so I’d be super curious to see Dr. Mike’s take on it or what he’d change. Awesome and funny videos as always.
Hardy never talked about his training and only mentioned he dirty bulked. Mike is a training guy so he wouldn’t have shit to say on the subject other than “welp he ate a fck ton of food”.
Not exactly the kind of video that would generate clicks+veiws.
It's not a big secret how Tom Hardy got bulked for Batman/Warrior...steroids.
He wasn't "big", 195 lbs at 5'9". He has genetically big traps and he obviously did some kind of decent back work. He basically said he ate lots of junk and lifted.
@@sirdanomanHe even said that a lot of the scenes he are in use camera tricks to make him look bigger.
@@higherpowerfitness2115 I know a lot of what went into the role was his diet, which was mostly junk. Plus all the camera magic and boot lifts made Tom look bigger than he was. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of getting a more definitive or impressive physique for a villain like Bane or how he would do it differently for a movie. I know Tom Hardy definitely didn’t have a peak look for Bane or ate well. It was more a curiosity thing because I like Bane and Tom Hardy and would want to see how Dr. Mike would eat/train for it
Was good knowing you Izzy, you were a real one
I would love to join your membership but I’m going through a hard time right now, so I’m just gonna watch you on RUclips but your content is awesome
He looks like the Dr.Oz of exercise science😂
He's
His "special" approaches, "special" as in special school not as in special forces
Love your vids an jokes man keep up the good content and info 😂!!!! Good stuff this is all golden.
I just want to mention how I had a huge patellar tendonopathy injury in my left knee. And lifting using full knee flexion [heels to ass] on the pendulum squat has not only healed my knees but they are now stronger than they have ever been. Full rom works! F**** stopping at 90
I haven't laughed as hard as I did at 5:20 in years. I inhaled my coffee and I've been choking on it for a solid few minutes. I don't even have words for how hilariously dumb that "exercise" was hahaha
Lmfao I just got a vshred ad before this video
Lucky! Then you can report it for misinformation! Wish I still got them so I could keep reporting..😔✊🏼
I’ve been a personal trainer for 25 years now. I was blessed early on to learn and train with a trainer who had been training about 30 years at that time. One of the core beliefs I learned was to keep it simple. Every time I had ideas and practiced away from this system I actually saw less results. There are 6 basic movements the human body makes, just load those and make them stronger and move through a long range of motion. Simple= better I trained a hockey player who came to me and showed me all these balance/complicated exercises he was doing. I got him to stop and do the above. Not only did he look and feel better, but played and skated better too.
I have been waiting for this
Seedman needs to be arrested and publicly shamed honestly. Game of Thrones style
Seedman is ridiculous, no question. However, the hex bar saved my back. I use as close to regular DL form as possible though. U also use it for deficit squats.
trap bar definitely has applications especially for those how want better angles for their back
Give your editor a hug. he deserves it!
Ive been trying to only do compound movements because MUH EFFICIENCY but now im realizing thats now a good idea. based video thanks coach
This is how CrossFit originated, because there was no one to expose them 😂
This needs more likes lol
100% an average cross fitter can outwork you hahaha post your workout or share your instagram. Let’s see your fitness levels????
@@factsnchill168 average cross fitter detected
Seems just as ridiculous snd dangerous, too
@@rickperez8975 mountain biker, bouldering and general gym goer. So no.
I give Dr Mike an A+ for callin' out the BS.....excellent video!!!!
The video we’ve all been waiting for 😭
I've noticed that if you follow the highest tension range of movement, lockout is usually low tension until the last few failure reps where it becomes highly tense. I've been trying tension-delimited partials until exhaustion begins, then go full range of motion as failure approaches. Full depth to about 45 degrees, then go the last 45 degrees to lockout as failure approaches or weight goes down with drop set reduction in load.
Really hope you guys come to the UK some time.
That Moses bit was so well done on the graphics.
Chris Carson was literally perpetually hurt and retired from a neck injury. Great job Seedman!
Nice to see someone give Dr Seedman all the respect he's due.
At 7:41 you say he's lying but, technically, he isn't. Since an "eccentric isometric" is impossible, there's not a single person who tried it and doesn't swear by it.
Thank you
Amazing idk why I didn’t see this one earlier
Saying your own product isnt magic or for everyone because its the real world is g shit. that is the genuine attitude you love to see.
Mike has definitely earned the respect he has.
16:21 Jared on a stable platform with Crocs on! 😅😂
… this was a 12/10 video! Best 20 min shit I’ve taken in at least two days. Maybe do some research on 20 min toilet sit to 4 rep max squats super sets. - BUT DO NOT TELL DR JOEL
Man, you took off the gloves on this one. And I am all for it :)
It makes me so happy Dr. Mike is one of the people that is bothered by people abusing the word 'literally'.