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Wow Jeff really got pushed in the gym and said "If this many people are this angry about science-based lifting, there must be some validity to their concerns." Instead of making a video clapping back at them, he made a longer than usual video validating these people's concerns and discussing them. Next level mindfulness right there ☮️
The peasants and dregs will always tear down those above them when threatened. Crabs in a bucket its always easier to judge and critique then to study and learn like Mr. Nippard operates
He realized the monster he has helped create. You can't scroll 2 minutes on Tiktok/IG without seeing videos like 5:29 of people unironically doing some insanely absurd "science tweaks" to unlock the supposed secret gains even though there is no direct evidence any of it works.
If someone ACTUALLY listens to what you say in your videos, none of this stuff is controversial. People just don't know how to account for nuance. Keep up the great work Jeff.
As a recreational lifter that doesn't need any particular result, I like science based lifting because it entertains me beyond the gym, it adds a layer of rationality to the sport that keeps me engaged and allows me to have meaningful conversations with fellow lifters. Instead of talking about feelings and past experiences, we can add backed arguments and peer reviewed studies. I've taken it as like "seasons" of training, each time a new study comes out that highlights a benefit of a technique, we can add it to the training, see how it feels, exchange experiences and see results, while we perform a limited study on ourselves. That keeps me motivated and adds spicyness to my routine, which makes it more fun!! (as does watching all the youtube drama around it) Good stuff!! :D
@@dylancounte1448 Recreational as in "i don't gain anything other than fun and satisfaction from it (nothing economical, that is)". Not that I don't take it seriously... it just isn't a deal breaker... the approach for serious things usually isn't as good as the approach for gym things, it is how it is...
I gotta say, this is a refreshingly mature and thoughtful response to a lot of the criticisms that science based lifting has been getting as of late. It’s very easy to immediately shut down any sort of criticism that we receive as people and get defensive, but this video isn’t that. I honestly wish that more creators (and more people in general for that matter) would be as open minded to honest discussion as you are Jeff. Well done
most people complaining about "science based lifting" ignore the nuance so that they can outraged, the fact you think most of them are "fair critiques" is funny.
what's the point of getting big and strong if you can't fight? i understand it's a deterrence thing, but what if a bigger person just doesn't care and comes after you? you have to have an answer for that.
@@cagneybillingsley2165yeah becasue there's no benefits for health and longevity when you get bigger and stronger is there, drop your ego and go educate yourself
As someone who has studied a bit, even not directly in your field but enough to dabble in how scientific studies work and what their results actually mean statistically, I absolutely love your approach. No drama, no attacks, just rational explainations. People who view science from the outside often jump to conclusions without even realizing it and skip so much of the underlying process. Sure, even the scientific method has its flaws and biases, but it's not a debate where two sides fight and one is right while the other is wrong, it's a process where both sides work together to reach a common understanding, and your approach to this video is a perfect example of that. Thank you.
What you say is mostly true, however as someone who has studied and gained knowledge about research, you should know that discourses in the research sphere occur amongst the researchers themselves who on one side create concepts and theories, and critique the given concepts and theories on the other. The average lifter with little knowledge about the field, like me, dont really have a leg to stand on when discrediting science based lifting.
It's a shame that people will ignore the rational explanations and just shout in your face tho... pointing fingers at vaccine deniers and COVID deniers. When scientists have done calm and information based research into findings, just to have people call them corrupted and influenced by money
Well said. People who aren’t willing to participate in an ongoing empirically based conversation who tries to create better understanding aren’t truly doing science. People who causes drama, creates or pick "sides", etc., whether they are "science-based" or not, isn’t concerned with actually finding out what might work best, because that approach often goes against the (often slow) process of hopefully getting better understandings.
the main reason i love science based (and the reason it can coexist with non science lifting for me) is that it encourages safety. even just implementing a few principles helps me feel more in control of my body and less likely to injure myself
if you want safty , you can lift the bar for as many reps as you can then go home safely. And I want to see how long your ego urges you to put on some plate.
Bro this video might be your best one yet. People need to leave Jeff alone after this one. He knows what the fundamentals of lifting are. HARDWORK and CONSISTENCY. If he wants to add some "data" to it who cares. Keep doing your thing bro. God Bless. ✊🏾🙏🏾💪🏾
The peasants and dregs will always tear down those above them when threatened. Crabs in a bucket its always easier to judge and critique then to study and learn like Mr. Nippard operates
Personally, this is exactly why you are the 1st result when searching science-based workouts. You are incredibly humble and open-minded. You.stand on your business and encourage people to learn how to APPLY-- you DO NOT promote a doctrine that must be rigidly adhered to. And this is how you've been on top for a decade. I trust damn near everything you say.
The peasants and dregs will always tear down those above them when threatened. Crabs in a bucket its always easier to judge and critique then to study and learn like Mr. Nippard operates
@@kelgbrown007 eh, I think you're just putting words in my mouth 🤷♂i just looked up the definition of attack and still dont see how jeff attacked mike van wycks
I started my journey roughly 10 years ago. I had no idea about training and just did stuff. Since I know your channel I grow quite fast and I made a personal trainer education just for fun. Thanks to you bro. I work as a manager in the life science industry and your channel gave me the motivation to start a nutritionist career and just be a better version of my self. you are way too reflective on your own behaviour. Thanks man. I owe you
I think this is pretty beta of him. He does all this shittalking about bro science and the hit on the compounds, gets caught in his nonsense, says OOPS actually i'm just lying to everyone about what's coming out of my mouth haha jk you're misinterpreting my hours of railing on content and ah kk everyone loves me
I'm a pain based lifter, I use science and optimal data to make my workouts as short and painful as possible (in a proper way) I go to the gym to feel something. The pain is the only thing I chase.
I think this demonstrates what happens when we perceive science based to be an ornament to hang on an argument, as opposed to a process that we use to approach an issue. I think the science based lifter is someone who is trying to apply methodical approaches, not someone who puts the word science everywhere on a page. Good as always, Jeff!
In cs there is this saying, "There are only two kinds of programming languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses", sometimes, I think that's the case for some training methods
Yea because of Jeff there’s less competition because these guys don’t squat bench etc and then they lose motivation because science based training is so damned bland and boring
As a forever newbie; I started, quit, and avoided the gym for years. Jeff’s content has given me the foundational knowledge to train well and stay consistent. Understanding the nuance of weightlifting has allowed me to make this a lifestyle and something I enjoy. Jeff makes the gym a welcoming environment for everyone, no matter your experience level. That is the true power your content brings. I’m 36 and the happiest, healthiest, and fittest I have ever been.
You’re one of the few ppl that I’ve watched and still watch when I’m trying to learn my form in exercises and lock in with my nutrition. Like I get both sides of the spectrum, simplicity does have its perks, but as a natural I’d more than likely take my advance from this dude rather than a juiced up one.
@@SomeKidFromBritain to steel man is to improve someone's argument so that it can be actually discussed to address its weaknesses. hes saying that these bro lifters who hate jeff's emphasis of science based lifting don't know what that theyre talking about but jeff, instead of just disagreeing with them and ignoring them, tries to spark a productive conversation from their frustration to ask compelling questions
Been watching you since the beginning and the reason why so many people watch is that you are one of the first to make reasonable advice based on facts instead of the „trust me bro“ opinions some wannabe lifters give My brother and me have been lifting your style and made so much gains that people started thinking, we were taking roids. Surely will be keeping taking your advice
Jeff, the way you or your team edits these videos is really well done. Keeps me engaged, not too much, highlight the important stuff. Really great videos, new fan
I come back to your content time and again because yes, I like the idea of optimization and working smarter. But the main reason is because you DON'T SCREAM AT ME. Your calm, measured tone helps me absorb the information, while these other creators send me straight to fight or flight. Like jesus god I cannot handle the intense red-faced drill sergeant style videos. Keep doin what you're doin!
And then you wonder why most Western men are being cucked at home by their daughters and wives, "finding a trad wife in Asia"😂😂 watching vids on RUclips send you into a fight or flight?! Come on brother...
This is the best, clear explanation on these topics in a long time. I often get carried away with how to 'optimise' my workouts, exercise selection, order, timings in week, volume, frequency. It becomes a headache. This video clears up a lot of the 'fog of exercise war' as I like to call it, so I can focus on the basics: Get in the gym, get a good stimulus where you want it, leave and relax. Thanks Jeff for your years of dedication to bringing free fitness advice to us. I know this is your business now, but I've never felt you let money come before your morals in all the ten years I've followed you. Keep up the good fight! Regards from the UK.
I think the tier list clarification is one of the best things from this video. I was pretty sick of having to tell my friends that “no, he doesn’t think a cable lat pulldown will build your entire back better than a row.” It’s for that _specific_ muscle group.
That makes no sense. If you're making a tier list for the whole back, why would you give an exercise S-tier purely because it works one part of the back amazing? You're making a tier list about the whole back, not just lat tier list. Barbell Row/ Pull Ups are S-tier, easily 1/2 place because they attack the whole back, yet by Jeff's standarts, they're far lower because of some issues that honestly aren't even issues. Yet he gives one lat pulldown better tier than them because of what? It targets the lat better. Ok, but is this a lat tier list or an entire back tier list? Makes no sense.
Seeing Dr. Mike say that a slow negative doesn't really cause more hypertrophy is mind-blowing to me lol. He has mentioned it so much I for sure thought that was the case, even implemented it to my training.
The reason Mike uses it so much is because you can drop your weights way down and still get the same pump and results from doing slower negatives. And this way it’s harder to get hurt as well, both from the controlled negatives and the lower weights. So yea it’s not better gains, it’s just more effective, in the sense that you can do the same work with lower weights
He has definitely said, or at least heavily implied that slow negatives cause more growth. He always talks about it in the context of “milking the eccentric which is the most hypertrophic part of the lift”
It seemed that the studies that "discredit" a slow negative use a 1 second eccentric as the "fast" control option. Like, 1 second is already slow. You can find people in the gym who are doing multiple entire reps per second.
Hello Jeff, love your work. I’m relatively new to lifting. The lack of mind-muscle connection is a real thing for many of us. You don’t know you don’t have it until out of the blue you experience it. When it comes it’s like a miracle. I believe it comes with consistent practice. I’ve always been athletic, participating in various activities over the decades, but never a real focus on weights until now. It’s taken two years to gain some quality strength in my pecs. Until recently, I couldn’t feel them during incline press. Now, after two years, I can. And when I press, I can direct my mind to press with the pecs more than the arms. It’s wonderful feeling ❤
This is such a good video. When I first started lifting, I was way into the optimized science-based approach (some 15 years ago, when that was less available - I had to actually read books, yuck). I agonized over the little optimizations and missed out on growth while my gym bro friends seemed to effortlessly get much more progress over the same time. I realized that I was so focused on the optimum rep ranges and balancing the perfect exercise selection and frequency and somehow I got myself scared to death of "overtraining" because I got too much info and not enough wisdom. Meanwhile, they were focused on "I want big chest, I spam chest exercises" and it took me way too long to find the better balance between fighting for optimal everything and just doing the damn work.
I'm skinny and it's helping me make sure that I eat enough every day, whereas before I was undereating without really realizing it Edit: Who's calling me a bot? Yall are dumb
@@ninjabobbobinstead of calling them out on “water weight” why don’t you ask how long they have been doing it, and if the weight they are losing is healthy or not? I mean, you are right by all means! If you don’t eat or drink anything for three days, you’ll lose a lot of weight… that’s not the point.
When I started working out, my two main mistakes were lack of sleep and not eating enough (not being in a caloric surplus). I always thought I was eating enough and I was disappointed because my weight stagnated. Then I got my first diet plan created (I got it from Onlymeal), and everything got significantly better for me. I realized that my previous food intake was way below my needs, although I thought I am good. At the beginning it was hard to eat 3200 kcal in a day, but I got used to it. I started noticing real gains and it felt amazing. I wish I had understood the importance of diet earlier.
this is my problem (caloric intake). i eat high protein, lean carbs - i eat "right" but i struggle with eating "enough"/ i'm pretty fkn cut but i can't afford to lose weight at all. its mostly concerning because what if i get sick?
Same dude! I've been gyming this whole year with minimal gains, and then in the last 2 months I really ramped it up and started eating also about 3200 cal a day and it's made such a big difference! My calorie calculator said 2800 but I dno, I have a really fast metabolism, so about 3200 is where I finally start putting on weight.
As we know all professional sports (football, baseball, basketball etc) HATE using science to improve performance! They just go out there and wing it and just “see what works” each time. It’s crazy that so many people involved with weight lifting are so against also using their brain when training
In a way I get it, some of these people have been doing it for years and they’re basically being told “you’re doing it all wrong”, despite being veterans with great physiques. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks. The issue I have with these old heads is that they’re super aggressive for no reason.
Because science standardizes the methods (aka min max), while sports involves familiarity, comfort, and what "works best" for the individual athlete. It matters a lot to the athlete because they're here for the long run and they'd want to stick to a regimen they can do for long.
I'd like to make a case for slow negatives: 1. They encourage good and thorough form for new lifters. 2. They activate and obligate supporting muscle groups that prevent injury in athletic activity that isn't lifting. 3. They add an isometric component to regular exercises that I think is essential for cultivating strength. Not everything is about muscle growth, and psychological effects such as motivation and discipline can have an unquantifiable boost to real world strength application that isn't always evident in a clinical or theoretical setting. I believe slow negatives are a good way to instill such unquantifiable benefits for many if not most people.
One big thing that is completely overlooked about slow negatives: the conversation is completely revolving around hypertrophy only. There are other aspects of resistance training like connective tissue health... tendons and ligaments, which take long to develop. Look at the flexor tendons of rock climbers vs body buildings; sustained controlled deep loading is what builds up that tendon strength over time and it's a much slower process than muscle hypertrophy.
Point 3 is the big one for me. When I'm helping my sister move her sofa out of her 4th floor apartment, it doesn't matter how many times I can pick up a 100 pound load. It matters how *long* I can hold a 50 pound load before my biceps and delts fall off.
as someone with a connective tissue disorder who is just getting into the gym, science based training is the ONLY thing I can do. my joints and tissues are hyper mobile and can be fragile so every exercise I do has to be careful and calculated. I love all your tips and tweaks because it gives me so many more options and ways to get around issues like my knees which severely hyper extend (bend backwards). just changing the angle or type or exercise I do, I can work out the same muscles without knee pain or losing stability. People can hate on science based training if you’re a normal, able bodied person, but for folks like me, I would be scared to exercise at all if there wasn’t all of this data supporting different and creative ways of exercising that still provide the same outcome. It has definitely given me so much motivation to get back into the gym and not be scared of getting hurt from doing the same things as everyone else in the gym. For me, exercise is medicine and there simply has to be science behind that, plain and simple.
I think it is normal that some people disagree with things you say. In cases, it is even beneficial to have debates about anything science based or experience based or any knowledge. Either way, we should be truly grateful for you and for every YT gym coach and teacher and helper for every info we get. I truly like your videos, you talk very calm, smart, no shouting, no fake anger, no fake jokes, humble intelligent attitude, very high quality educational stuff!!! You are in S tier in my YT tier list! ;) So thank you! & Merry Xmas!
Great video, thank you for posting! As a physical therapist, there has been a shift from “evidence based practice” (EBP) to “evidence informed practice” (EIP), the nuance being that EBP pigeonholes you to a very select treatment and subset of a population, while EIP allows you to take the data, extrapolate it appropriately, and make informed decisions based on that. It’s very important for lifting too. It’s great to know the data, and to ignore the data is foolish in my opinion. But it’s good to mix it up too and try different things. Keep up the great work, Jeff!
I started working out with my teenage son last summer and we have enjoyed learning science based techniques. I think it's made him safer and more successful in the gym. I'm not an expert so I'm happy to get tips from both Jeff and Mike
Paused the video at minute 12:14 to just say how impressed I am with your cadence, and level of thought. My mother is a PhD in the health sciences, with a focus on patient report outcome studies assessing quality of life before and after undergoing surgery. I love your attention to detail, and hilariously I think you two would get along great. She is actually a professor at McMaster University, which I saw in another video of yours you're participating in a study at. I wonder if you two will every cross paths!!
One of the best and most comprehensive videos Jeff has made. Train hard with enough volume and if you do that consistently you WILL build muscle. Other aspects of training are important too but sustainability is key.
Jeff, the more I go through life with people judging me and poking at me. The more realize I can handle the judgment better and it eventually bites them back in the butt. Keep doing what you doing because you are great.
Yo Jeff! (We are LOL) Just wanted to say thanks for everything you've done, I've been implementing your stuff for a long time, especially the lateral raises. I'm at 127cm shoulder circumference now. Started applying some more as well, we agree on the majority of things. Keep doing the right thing, Jeff, you're awesome. -Alex
I like to think of slow negatives similar to how we think of paused reps. You may use less weight, get less reps, but theyre a different type of rep serving a different type of function. Variation is super important in training, both to avoid overuse injuries and generally just to make training more fun
Amazing how you gathered most of the criticisms, and as usual with humans, a decent chunk is just a bunch of people misunderstanding what they're talking about to various degrees. I'm also really thankful that you made other people's gripes as strong as you could, and allowing/exposing vulnerabilities in your own schools of thought! It helps forward the conversation way more than the screamers do.
I think this video is actually super useful for how to use Jeff's advice in his other videos. I actually also made the mistake of thinking the exercises in S-tier were better for growth at times so hearing this caveat is actually super helpful. Much respect Jeff as always for your humility and commitment to knowledge
I think the main issues are misrepresenting data/studies, presenting something we already know as revolutionary, being needlessly clickbaity or controversial, or being condescending towards lifters that don't read studies or have found their own way of training that doesn't entirely agree with the research. Personally I haven't seen you do these Jeff, but I have noticed many content creators who market themselves as "science based" engage in these activities which can give the term a bad name.
Those things absolutely happen, but the backlash he's addressing isn't concerned with those things. It's implicit that the pushback in question is against sound, reasonable, honest science-based lifting communication, not against frauds and snobs. Dudes like Van Wyck aren't arguing that the science crowd is misrepresenting studies, being condescending, or pushing clickbait, they're arguing that the entire enterprise of science-based lifting is flawed and pointless nerd bullshit
@@LAK_770 That's because it is flawed and pointless nerd bullshit. I don't think you have a good sense of just how difficult it is to get almost anything about the human body right. Sample sizes are already small and some new variable is given increasing importance every other month that reduces the confidence of every study that didn't have the divine inspiration to take it into account to begin with. Medical science is a coin flip on whether or not it will get contradicted. Sports science is arguably worse. I would weight people's collective lived experience over science-based lifting nine times out of ten, and it's not because I don't know the science.
Cant wait for your book to show up. Science based lifting has changed how I lift, especially coming back from a broken collarbone with lingering muscular pain. I no longer ache. I've put on some solid healthy weight in the past year since running two of your programs.
The comparison of the barbell row and single arm lat pull down sums up how you should choose your exercise. It depends on a lot of factors. Each can be programmed properly in someone's workout to build muscle.
I used to push myself to failure every set. When I incorporated the idea of Reps in Reserve, it really helped with my recovery and gains. Thanks for making great science based content and always staying relevant with new research!
I am not good at english Hope everyone understands I really think jeff nippart is a good person I mean, why everyone hate jeff when he just try to make quality video help some people like me don't have good genetics ( skinny ) with science Jeff gives me a broader and more diverse angles perspective that helps me become better and better at training He really help me understand more about " Gym" at a newbie Anyway, i from Viet Nam and his video help me learning English right now :))
Your English is good and i’m glad you’ve made good progress following Jeff’s guidance. He gets a lot of hate because some people interpret Jeff’s personal preferences as scientific end-all-be-all in the gym, and people then assume that all of his content falls under the umbrella of fitness pseudoscience when there are things here and there that are objective truths in lifting.
Dude, you are one of the best go to for someone that only has like 2 years of working out, I have learned a lot, but the reality is that even someone that has experience will always learn something new, and in my opinion it's always good to try all this exercises, some might work for you some won't, that's why is better to try them before criticize. Anyway, Thanks for all your hard work, learned a LOT from you and Mike, keep up the great work
Dude, Honestly... you are the first guy I have truly followed because you are not like the others... I have seen results. Over 3 months I have dropped roughly 10 lbs of fat and gained about 2 lbs of muscle. I dont eat great... but I do eat according to the macrofactor app and it works. Keep it up! I think you are revolutionary in your training and thinking.
i think people are hating on science based lifting just because they can. for me your and dr mike his videos have brought more consciousness into how i train resulting in better focus and understanding why i do what i do
@@luukje No because you guys behave like arrogant pricks. That it's all it comes down to. And you guys also only apllie studies when they suit you. Like you love to say there is no difference i hypetrophy between free weigths and machines. 👌 But then you make a 180 to Promote another erxercise which is more stabile and therfore better for hypertrophy. That was just one example.
Maybe some do, but there are valid criticisms on "science based lifting," such as People using poorly conducted studies with like 10 untrained lifters training for a couple weeks and drawing click-baity conclusions from them without even explaining the limitations of the studies sometimes. These studies probably being one of the reasons people flip-flop so much on what's "optimal" and "correct." People over emphasising the importance of technique which is obviously important but they sacrifice so much weight to get a little more rom and perfect looking technique which probably is just giving less stimulus for the amount of weight they sacrifice. Over emphasis on having the most "optimal" exercise and calling exercises people have been doing forever bad because it doesnt have the most optimal tension curve or it isnt fully stretch focused where in reality if youre going to or close to failure on these exercises youre still gonna get good results either way and there might be other benefits to these lifts. Discounting things people say theough experience because there isnt a study on them. Thats just some
Thanks for helping me get back on the grind. I have been struggling to get to the gym again. Took a 3 month break for other reasons. Paralysis by analysis is probably my biggest problem.
I've been lifting since 2012 consistently and I find it interesting that, watching a lot of the science-based lifting, I have naturally just done alot of it on my own. Like the body just leads me that way as ive grown and advanced in my training. Ive never catastrophically injured myself or anything. Training is just super intuitive. So it is fun and challanging hearing and getting ideas from educated sources.
I think it's important to remember that no "tricks" are even close to being as important as just going to the gym. Don't get overwhelmed by all the science-based tips, just go to the gym, train hard and minimize risk of injury. Not saying science based lifting is bad, but don't let it overwhelm you to the point of discouragement.
1. Security 2. Consistency 3. Rest 95% of gains right there. The rest varies person to person and, ironically, hasn't been tested scientifically on individuals who've already ticked all the previous boxes.
A lot of us follow science based lifting methods to try to minimise our risk of injury. You say train hard, but training hard without understanding is a very quick way to injury.
@@stretch8390 "science based lifting" isn't necessary for anyone to meet any of their goals. it's just extra icing on a cake that no one really asked for. it's late-stage content for fitness youtubers.
Mike says there are no downsides to slow eccentrics (3:15) but I would argue that a huge downside is that you’re sacrificing load because your muscles will fatigue so much faster
IF your primary goal is hypertrophy, then isn't muscle 'fatigue' the goal? Isn't lighter load, but still getting good mechanical tension on the targeted muscle, a win?
@@scoot1207 i'm completely unaware of mike's content, I'm guessing he was always a proponent of slow eccentrics for gains, but now he's saying it's just for a safety/control reason?
@@MagnumJohnson Slow eccentrics (1-2 seconds, basically just not dropping the weight) provide more growth per rep than fast eccentrics. This means you need to use less weight and fewer reps. You also save yourself from injury that may arise from reversing quickly out of the bottom position. If you use fast eccentrics, you can build the same amount of muscle, but it requires more reps and more sets.
Slow eccentrics are passive tension based gains (longditudinal rather than radial) and will not result in more muscle growth due to us being stronger in this position, for us to have a higher amount of mechanical tension there has to be an INVOLUNTARY reduction in contraction velocity this doesnt happen with eccentrics unless eccentric overload which isnt practical and doesnt happen in the real world, they also result in greater fatigue, jeff is correct on this n@@justincain2702
@@MagnumJohnson Mike Mentzer decades ago was one of the original SLOWWW negative, 1 or 2 sets to total failure only can get you muscle growth (also on a ton of roids like Dr.Mike), then Mike kiboshes the whole slow eccentric mantra, but still utilizes it in every video when he wants to destroy someone at end of workout in all videos. He also sits while training people and wears crocs while coaching...side details that drive me nuts.
Delivering more science in a video that is rebuttal to those who oppose science-based lifting is hilarious and I hope it's the most successful video for you yet Jeff. Gotta love the humor of it all
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, steve.porss1, I understand what you're going through with anxiety, depression, PTSD, and addiction. Mushrooms have really played a big role in helping me stay clean too.
I wish those were more easily accessible where I live. Microdosing was my next step for my husband. He's 59 & dealing with lots of mental health challenges, possible CTE & a TBI that put him in a coma for 8 days. Unfortunately, I had to get a TPO since he's 6'6, over 300 pounds, and showing violent behavior, constantly talking about harming others. He's aggressive. To anyone reading this, if you're familiar with BPD, is it common to have an obsession with violence?
When I think about "science based lifting" I only think about the very basics that I learned from your "Fundamentals" series that I binged when I started lifting 5 years ago. - Safety first, the fastest way to loose gains is getting injured so you cant lift - 10 - 20 sets / week per muscle group - progressive overload - 2+ times a week beats 1 time a week. - 1 - 2g of protein per kg of bodyweight, go high just to be sure - Train close to failure - Prioritize compound lifts - Rest 3 min for heavy lifts, 1-2 min for isolation work I never bother with things like controlling negatives, lenghtened partials or 'tips & tweaks'
Problem is if you do an experiment and you find doing >20 sets/week and 3-4x/week frequency and >2g/kg of protein and not going to failure with short rest(traditional bodybuilding work) works better for you, are you going to not do what works better for you just because you believe in the science? Lifting is an individual activity, you should use science to start out, but experiment and see what works best for you. 5x5 isn't a science based routine, it was Reg Park's routine. So if you want Reg Park based training, you do 5x5. But eventually you should have enough experience and experimentation done you are doing training based on you and no one else.
Thank you for teaching so well on the topic of body building. Ive not read one book or paid a single cent on my bodybuilding knowledge but after listening to your teaching for about 10 hours I feel I confident enough to write my own workout plans and teach others a thing or two aswell. Keep up the great work.
"How much difference does it actually make?" is exactly the point. For most people I'd argue very little. Focus on the basics first, eat, sleep, lift and stop fucking around in the gym.
I saw a comment like yours a few years ago and it was some of the best advice I’ve ever read because it actually got me lifting. The OG comment said “just go into the gym and start pumping iron” and thats exactly what I did. It’s been 3 years now and I’m in the best shape of my life. If anyone reads the above comment and has doubts just know that it’s really the first step and you’ll figure out what works for you, I promise.
I mean yes of course the basics are what drives most results, but leaning back on leg raises does not actually stop you from eating enough protein. Getting the basics right is not a matter of knowledge but consitency and disciplin. Learning about exervise science does not stand in its way.
Hey guys! I really wanted to make this video to clear up how I feel about all of this stuff. I hope you guys enjoy it! Two quick reminders:
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Nice
Merry Christmas Jeff! 🎅🏻
@ nice
Stop preaching stretch mediated hypertrophy it only causes extra growth in beginners and does not cause myofibril genesis (radial muscle growth)
Receives critique of science-based lifting, proceeds to scientifically assess the critique. My man is a scientist at heart
Next time I get into a fight I’m going to call it “exchanging critiques”
Shows character.
Yeah almost like how fauci did it. TRUST THE SCIENCE I HAVE DONE NO WRONGS.
cringe
Thats good cuz hes not much else 😅😅
Wow Jeff really got pushed in the gym and said "If this many people are this angry about science-based lifting, there must be some validity to their concerns." Instead of making a video clapping back at them, he made a longer than usual video validating these people's concerns and discussing them. Next level mindfulness right there ☮️
The peasants and dregs will always tear down those above them when threatened. Crabs in a bucket
its always easier to judge and critique then to study and learn like Mr. Nippard operates
He realized the monster he has helped create. You can't scroll 2 minutes on Tiktok/IG without seeing videos like 5:29 of people unironically doing some insanely absurd "science tweaks" to unlock the supposed secret gains even though there is no direct evidence any of it works.
Exactly bro that’s why we love Jeff 🫶🏻
There’s no one like him 😅
I legit suspect that Jeff meditates, I haven't heard him say he does but I'm pretty sure he does
If someone ACTUALLY listens to what you say in your videos, none of this stuff is controversial. People just don't know how to account for nuance. Keep up the great work Jeff.
All of this staff is bullshit
its always easier to judge and critique then to study and learn like Mr. Nippard operates
Well said.
Fanboy
Spot on... as Richard Dawson said in The Running Man, "What, do steroids make you deaf?".
jeff taking a scientific approach to dealing with criticism... incredible
Refreshing as well, often people are too hostile/defensive on the internet. Even educated experts, shamefully.
Absolute Cinema
Lol genius
thas one heck of a thumbnail and title
can’t keep a goat down
Bro may be short but he's always the bigger man lol
@@Change--Eleven--11 Why are you obsessed with another mans height?
Still clickbait though
@@Ileroi It's one comment he isn't obsessed
Greg taking notes
bro take some pre and chill 😅🤣
Greg's gonna make 10 vids out of this greging his doucheete till he geo2max
More notes than last time.
Lmao Greg is,if anything going to make a 15min video attacking pretty much every single word out of Jeff's mouth.
@@Banditxam5 he's gonna turk all over the place
“If you look up science based lifting the first result is me”
On God, that was a bar. 0:59
Bro is actually in the dictionary for it
I think you meant 0:42
I agree 🎶🎵
2 trailer park lifters go round the outside
The first result was from boostcamp
As a recreational lifter that doesn't need any particular result, I like science based lifting because it entertains me beyond the gym, it adds a layer of rationality to the sport that keeps me engaged and allows me to have meaningful conversations with fellow lifters. Instead of talking about feelings and past experiences, we can add backed arguments and peer reviewed studies. I've taken it as like "seasons" of training, each time a new study comes out that highlights a benefit of a technique, we can add it to the training, see how it feels, exchange experiences and see results, while we perform a limited study on ourselves. That keeps me motivated and adds spicyness to my routine, which makes it more fun!! (as does watching all the youtube drama around it) Good stuff!! :D
If thats your definition of "recreational" I am very curious as to how you approach things you take "seriously".
@@dylancounte1448 Recreational as in "i don't gain anything other than fun and satisfaction from it (nothing economical, that is)". Not that I don't take it seriously... it just isn't a deal breaker... the approach for serious things usually isn't as good as the approach for gym things, it is how it is...
I gotta say, this is a refreshingly mature and thoughtful response to a lot of the criticisms that science based lifting has been getting as of late. It’s very easy to immediately shut down any sort of criticism that we receive as people and get defensive, but this video isn’t that. I honestly wish that more creators (and more people in general for that matter) would be as open minded to honest discussion as you are Jeff. Well done
most people complaining about "science based lifting" ignore the nuance so that they can outraged, the fact you think most of them are "fair critiques" is funny.
what's the point of getting big and strong if you can't fight? i understand it's a deterrence thing, but what if a bigger person just doesn't care and comes after you? you have to have an answer for that.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 literally what does that have to do with anything I was talking about
@@cagneybillingsley2165yeah becasue there's no benefits for health and longevity when you get bigger and stronger is there, drop your ego and go educate yourself
The studies these people share are funded by crappy supp companies....
As someone who has studied a bit, even not directly in your field but enough to dabble in how scientific studies work and what their results actually mean statistically, I absolutely love your approach. No drama, no attacks, just rational explainations. People who view science from the outside often jump to conclusions without even realizing it and skip so much of the underlying process. Sure, even the scientific method has its flaws and biases, but it's not a debate where two sides fight and one is right while the other is wrong, it's a process where both sides work together to reach a common understanding, and your approach to this video is a perfect example of that.
Thank you.
Well said bro
What you say is mostly true, however as someone who has studied and gained knowledge about research, you should know that discourses in the research sphere occur amongst the researchers themselves who on one side create concepts and theories, and critique the given concepts and theories on the other. The average lifter with little knowledge about the field, like me, dont really have a leg to stand on when discrediting science based lifting.
It's a shame that people will ignore the rational explanations and just shout in your face tho... pointing fingers at vaccine deniers and COVID deniers. When scientists have done calm and information based research into findings, just to have people call them corrupted and influenced by money
Well said. People who aren’t willing to participate in an ongoing empirically based conversation who tries to create better understanding aren’t truly doing science. People who causes drama, creates or pick "sides", etc., whether they are "science-based" or not, isn’t concerned with actually finding out what might work best, because that approach often goes against the (often slow) process of hopefully getting better understandings.
Great comment thx :)
the main reason i love science based (and the reason it can coexist with non science lifting for me) is that it encourages safety. even just implementing a few principles helps me feel more in control of my body and less likely to injure myself
I love it because how "controlled" it is, since im a extremely organized and very system basex person lol
if you want safty , you can lift the bar for as many reps as you can then go home safely. And I want to see how long your ego urges you to put on some plate.
@@gethina-come7885 IKR
And more safety means I can live longer and lift more as I age. I just want to one day be able to lift my grandchildren. Or my wife when needed.
@@gethina-come7885same brother, Ive always needed structure to thrive and lifting is no different
If everyone would be so open minded, thoughtful and mature about criticism, this world would be a better place. Well done Jeff.
Bro this video might be your best one yet. People need to leave Jeff alone after this one. He knows what the fundamentals of lifting are. HARDWORK and CONSISTENCY. If he wants to add some "data" to it who cares. Keep doing your thing bro. God Bless.
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The peasants and dregs will always tear down those above them when threatened. Crabs in a bucket
its always easier to judge and critique then to study and learn like Mr. Nippard operates
Better data than the junk that some of the gymrats are injecting into themselves.
Personally, this is exactly why you are the 1st result when searching science-based workouts.
You are incredibly humble and open-minded. You.stand on your business and encourage people to learn how to APPLY-- you DO NOT promote a doctrine that must be rigidly adhered to.
And this is how you've been on top for a decade. I trust damn near everything you say.
The peasants and dregs will always tear down those above them when threatened. Crabs in a bucket
its always easier to judge and critique then to study and learn like Mr. Nippard operates
This guy, Dismantles , assess and accepts the critiques , Instead of attacking the guys that attacked him.
Legendary stuff.
You realize the video he made about Mike, in which he mentioned Mike's name was an attack on Mike . So not that legendary .
@@kelgbrown007 it was not an attack whatsoever
@@Noah-xz5mk since you don't consider that an attack, by definition of the word, no one has attacked anyone until the physical confrontation.
Keep glazing, fanboy.
@@kelgbrown007 eh, I think you're just putting words in my mouth 🤷♂i just looked up the definition of attack and still dont see how jeff attacked mike van wycks
I started my journey roughly 10 years ago. I had no idea about training and just did stuff. Since I know your channel I grow quite fast and I made a personal trainer education just for fun. Thanks to you bro.
I work as a manager in the life science industry and your channel gave me the motivation to start a nutritionist career and just be a better version of my self. you are way too reflective on your own behaviour.
Thanks man. I owe you
THANK YOU FOR BEING MY FRIENDDD
*loud dog snores in the background*
Bickering with mama
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Jeff acknowledged the need for GUSTO
I think this is pretty beta of him. He does all this shittalking about bro science and the hit on the compounds, gets caught in his nonsense, says OOPS actually i'm just lying to everyone about what's coming out of my mouth haha jk you're misinterpreting my hours of railing on content and ah kk everyone loves me
I'm a pain based lifter, I use science and optimal data to make my workouts as short and painful as possible (in a proper way) I go to the gym to feel something. The pain is the only thing I chase.
yep, i usually rip my muscle and blend it. then put back for maximum hypertrophy and pain
@@camaraman645 don’t forget, it needs to be in the most stretched position!
hypertrophycels be seething over hyperagony chads
Best workout-based post of December, maybe 2024.
So you're doing HIT?
Rick is an S tier reactor to science based tier lists.
He is funny too
It's Rick the Stick!
🐴🐔
Jeff needs to horsecock some weights
Rick de la stick.
You're my number 1 channel for working out because of the science based lifting. I've seen a ton of growth because of you
I think this demonstrates what happens when we perceive science based to be an ornament to hang on an argument, as opposed to a process that we use to approach an issue. I think the science based lifter is someone who is trying to apply methodical approaches, not someone who puts the word science everywhere on a page. Good as always, Jeff!
jeff built a brand pushing bogus studies in voice over video's of him working out.
THANK YOU FOR BEING MY FRIEEND!
jeff is one of the creators I get the most excited to see uploaded. These are high quality documentaries
Fake science and bad advice aren’t “high quality”
I don't know if Jeff did it on purpose or it's just something new on RUclips but I really appreciate being able to listen to the content in Spanish.
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In cs there is this saying, "There are only two kinds of programming languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses", sometimes, I think that's the case for some training methods
Damn nerd
As an aspiring self taught developer, teach me your ways!
@@ryanlynch290go learn something else
Yea because of Jeff there’s less competition because these guys don’t squat bench etc and then they lose motivation because science based training is so damned bland and boring
@@junesuprise I wasn't talking to you.
As a forever newbie; I started, quit, and avoided the gym for years. Jeff’s content has given me the foundational knowledge to train well and stay consistent. Understanding the nuance of weightlifting has allowed me to make this a lifestyle and something I enjoy. Jeff makes the gym a welcoming environment for everyone, no matter your experience level. That is the true power your content brings. I’m 36 and the happiest, healthiest, and fittest I have ever been.
I love the back and forth between Jeff and the HORSECOCK
What are you talking about?
Dr Density only goes back and forth when pacing between sets
Name checks out
The mindset @@fake10hourentertainment17
Holy buckets!
You’re one of the few ppl that I’ve watched and still watch when I’m trying to learn my form in exercises and lock in with my nutrition. Like I get both sides of the spectrum, simplicity does have its perks, but as a natural I’d more than likely take my advance from this dude rather than a juiced up one.
Love the fact you steelman their frustration instead of disagreement
Thats a sign of true intelligence in my opinion
Truly. It's a sign of true maturity and manliness. Respectable.
Pardon?
@@SomeKidFromBritain to steel man is to improve someone's argument so that it can be actually discussed to address its weaknesses. hes saying that these bro lifters who hate jeff's emphasis of science based lifting don't know what that theyre talking about but jeff, instead of just disagreeing with them and ignoring them, tries to spark a productive conversation from their frustration to ask compelling questions
@@ritwik1410 noted
The world needs a Bugenhagen/Nippard collab workout video 💪
Seriously, make it happen ffs!
I wish
🙏
Interesting idea lol
This needs to take place
Been watching you since the beginning and the reason why so many people watch is that you are one of the first to make reasonable advice based on facts instead of the „trust me bro“ opinions some wannabe lifters give
My brother and me have been lifting your style and made so much gains that people started thinking, we were taking roids. Surely will be keeping taking your advice
Your program is doing wonders for me, there’s no way you can deny science based training
Jeff, the way you or your team edits these videos is really well done. Keeps me engaged, not too much, highlight the important stuff. Really great videos, new fan
I come back to your content time and again because yes, I like the idea of optimization and working smarter. But the main reason is because you DON'T SCREAM AT ME. Your calm, measured tone helps me absorb the information, while these other creators send me straight to fight or flight. Like jesus god I cannot handle the intense red-faced drill sergeant style videos. Keep doin what you're doin!
And then you wonder why most Western men are being cucked at home by their daughters and wives, "finding a trad wife in Asia"😂😂 watching vids on RUclips send you into a fight or flight?! Come on brother...
B e t a
here to second this!
Stop gregging my doucette
It's called roid rage. Too much trembo can do that to you, alongside testicles atrophy.
This is the best, clear explanation on these topics in a long time. I often get carried away with how to 'optimise' my workouts, exercise selection, order, timings in week, volume, frequency. It becomes a headache. This video clears up a lot of the 'fog of exercise war' as I like to call it, so I can focus on the basics: Get in the gym, get a good stimulus where you want it, leave and relax.
Thanks Jeff for your years of dedication to bringing free fitness advice to us. I know this is your business now, but I've never felt you let money come before your morals in all the ten years I've followed you. Keep up the good fight! Regards from the UK.
You are genuinely the most patient content creator period.
I think the tier list clarification is one of the best things from this video. I was pretty sick of having to tell my friends that “no, he doesn’t think a cable lat pulldown will build your entire back better than a row.” It’s for that _specific_ muscle group.
The thing is it's not better for that ''specific muscle group''
@ Cool story. 👍🏼
Yeah, people who think he was talking about the entire back are either stupid or disingenuous.
@@mrsimpleslowmo yes it is. that exercise is objectively better for lats.
That makes no sense. If you're making a tier list for the whole back, why would you give an exercise S-tier purely because it works one part of the back amazing? You're making a tier list about the whole back, not just lat tier list.
Barbell Row/ Pull Ups are S-tier, easily 1/2 place because they attack the whole back, yet by Jeff's standarts, they're far lower because of some issues that honestly aren't even issues. Yet he gives one lat pulldown better tier than them because of what? It targets the lat better. Ok, but is this a lat tier list or an entire back tier list? Makes no sense.
Seeing Dr. Mike say that a slow negative doesn't really cause more hypertrophy is mind-blowing to me lol. He has mentioned it so much I for sure thought that was the case, even implemented it to my training.
The reason Mike uses it so much is because you can drop your weights way down and still get the same pump and results from doing slower negatives. And this way it’s harder to get hurt as well, both from the controlled negatives and the lower weights. So yea it’s not better gains, it’s just more effective, in the sense that you can do the same work with lower weights
@@BravoBrakas No I understand, and I am still going to do it. I think Dr. Mike gives great advice. I just had misunderstood it all this time.
He has definitely said, or at least heavily implied that slow negatives cause more growth. He always talks about it in the context of “milking the eccentric which is the most hypertrophic part of the lift”
Mike is a fraud
It seemed that the studies that "discredit" a slow negative use a 1 second eccentric as the "fast" control option. Like, 1 second is already slow. You can find people in the gym who are doing multiple entire reps per second.
Hello Jeff, love your work. I’m relatively new to lifting. The lack of mind-muscle connection is a real thing for many of us. You don’t know you don’t have it until out of the blue you experience it. When it comes it’s like a miracle. I believe it comes with consistent practice. I’ve always been athletic, participating in various activities over the decades, but never a real focus on weights until now. It’s taken two years to gain some quality strength in my pecs. Until recently, I couldn’t feel them during incline press. Now, after two years, I can. And when I press, I can direct my mind to press with the pecs more than the arms. It’s wonderful feeling ❤
This is such a good video. When I first started lifting, I was way into the optimized science-based approach (some 15 years ago, when that was less available - I had to actually read books, yuck). I agonized over the little optimizations and missed out on growth while my gym bro friends seemed to effortlessly get much more progress over the same time. I realized that I was so focused on the optimum rep ranges and balancing the perfect exercise selection and frequency and somehow I got myself scared to death of "overtraining" because I got too much info and not enough wisdom. Meanwhile, they were focused on "I want big chest, I spam chest exercises" and it took me way too long to find the better balance between fighting for optimal everything and just doing the damn work.
MacroFactor is changing my life. Dropped 12lbs so far and my diet is so much more balanced and optimised. Thanks Jeff and the MF Dev team
I'm skinny and it's helping me make sure that I eat enough every day, whereas before I was undereating without really realizing it
Edit: Who's calling me a bot? Yall are dumb
Bot and bot
@eazy___4032 sure clown 🤡🤡🤡
Nugga doesn’t know what water weight is
@@ninjabobbobinstead of calling them out on “water weight” why don’t you ask how long they have been doing it, and if the weight they are losing is healthy or not? I mean, you are right by all means! If you don’t eat or drink anything for three days, you’ll lose a lot of weight… that’s not the point.
crazy quality and effort put in to these videos man
When I started working out, my two main mistakes were lack of sleep and not eating enough (not being in a caloric surplus). I always thought I was eating enough and I was disappointed because my weight stagnated. Then I got my first diet plan created (I got it from Onlymeal), and everything got significantly better for me. I realized that my previous food intake was way below my needs, although I thought I am good. At the beginning it was hard to eat 3200 kcal in a day, but I got used to it. I started noticing real gains and it felt amazing. I wish I had understood the importance of diet earlier.
this is my problem (caloric intake). i eat high protein, lean carbs - i eat "right" but i struggle with eating "enough"/ i'm pretty fkn cut but i can't afford to lose weight at all.
its mostly concerning because what if i get sick?
Same dude! I've been gyming this whole year with minimal gains, and then in the last 2 months I really ramped it up and started eating also about 3200 cal a day and it's made such a big difference!
My calorie calculator said 2800 but I dno, I have a really fast metabolism, so about 3200 is where I finally start putting on weight.
Is this an AD?
@@Conquistador37 Have you tried upping your fats? Nuts, avocados and dairy can help you a lot if you don't have the biggest appetite
theres bot comment on gym videos too?
I never met Jeff but I am so proud of him. Congrats on being publish too !
As we know all professional sports (football, baseball, basketball etc) HATE using science to improve performance! They just go out there and wing it and just “see what works” each time. It’s crazy that so many people involved with weight lifting are so against also using their brain when training
Which is funny, because science is just organized "see what works" since it's based on experimentation.
In a way I get it, some of these people have been doing it for years and they’re basically being told “you’re doing it all wrong”, despite being veterans with great physiques. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks. The issue I have with these old heads is that they’re super aggressive for no reason.
@@xm8553 top level coaches do not do what the published papers say. If they did they would be a decade or two behind the curve.
Because science standardizes the methods (aka min max), while sports involves familiarity, comfort, and what "works best" for the individual athlete. It matters a lot to the athlete because they're here for the long run and they'd want to stick to a regimen they can do for long.
@@KamaG-j1u Roid rage?
Ordered your book. Super hyped for it to drop. Your videos are always helpful for someone who had no idea what he was doing.
I'd like to make a case for slow negatives:
1. They encourage good and thorough form for new lifters.
2. They activate and obligate supporting muscle groups that prevent injury in athletic activity that isn't lifting.
3. They add an isometric component to regular exercises that I think is essential for cultivating strength. Not everything is about muscle growth, and psychological effects such as motivation and discipline can have an unquantifiable boost to real world strength application that isn't always evident in a clinical or theoretical setting. I believe slow negatives are a good way to instill such unquantifiable benefits for many if not most people.
I’m in my 50s. If I don’t do slow negatives, I eventually get injured.
One big thing that is completely overlooked about slow negatives: the conversation is completely revolving around hypertrophy only. There are other aspects of resistance training like connective tissue health... tendons and ligaments, which take long to develop. Look at the flexor tendons of rock climbers vs body buildings; sustained controlled deep loading is what builds up that tendon strength over time and it's a much slower process than muscle hypertrophy.
Point 3 is the big one for me. When I'm helping my sister move her sofa out of her 4th floor apartment, it doesn't matter how many times I can pick up a 100 pound load. It matters how *long* I can hold a 50 pound load before my biceps and delts fall off.
@@stuntmonkey00I don’t know if it’s really true, but it does make sense and I didn’t even think about it! Nice.
Exactly I work with a coach. I personally prefer lifting slow because I remember the form better , if I go fast I forget everything
as someone with a connective tissue disorder who is just getting into the gym, science based training is the ONLY thing I can do. my joints and tissues are hyper mobile and can be fragile so every exercise I do has to be careful and calculated. I love all your tips and tweaks because it gives me so many more options and ways to get around issues like my knees which severely hyper extend (bend backwards). just changing the angle or type or exercise I do, I can work out the same muscles without knee pain or losing stability. People can hate on science based training if you’re a normal, able bodied person, but for folks like me, I would be scared to exercise at all if there wasn’t all of this data supporting different and creative ways of exercising that still provide the same outcome. It has definitely given me so much motivation to get back into the gym and not be scared of getting hurt from doing the same things as everyone else in the gym. For me, exercise is medicine and there simply has to be science behind that, plain and simple.
I think it is normal that some people disagree with things you say. In cases, it is even beneficial to have debates about anything science based or experience based or any knowledge. Either way, we should be truly grateful for you and for every YT gym coach and teacher and helper for every info we get. I truly like your videos, you talk very calm, smart, no shouting, no fake anger, no fake jokes, humble intelligent attitude, very high quality educational stuff!!! You are in S tier in my YT tier list! ;) So thank you! & Merry Xmas!
i can't lie this man might be the GOAT
Great video, thank you for posting! As a physical therapist, there has been a shift from “evidence based practice” (EBP) to “evidence informed practice” (EIP), the nuance being that EBP pigeonholes you to a very select treatment and subset of a population, while EIP allows you to take the data, extrapolate it appropriately, and make informed decisions based on that. It’s very important for lifting too. It’s great to know the data, and to ignore the data is foolish in my opinion. But it’s good to mix it up too and try different things. Keep up the great work, Jeff!
I started working out with my teenage son last summer and we have enjoyed learning science based techniques. I think it's made him safer and more successful in the gym. I'm not an expert so I'm happy to get tips from both Jeff and Mike
Paused the video at minute 12:14 to just say how impressed I am with your cadence, and level of thought. My mother is a PhD in the health sciences, with a focus on patient report outcome studies assessing quality of life before and after undergoing surgery. I love your attention to detail, and hilariously I think you two would get along great. She is actually a professor at McMaster University, which I saw in another video of yours you're participating in a study at. I wonder if you two will every cross paths!!
Glad you're doing well!
One of the best and most comprehensive videos Jeff has made. Train hard with enough volume and if you do that consistently you WILL build muscle. Other aspects of training are important too but sustainability is key.
Jeff, the more I go through life with people judging me and poking at me. The more realize I can handle the judgment better and it eventually bites them back in the butt. Keep doing what you doing because you are great.
Yo Jeff! (We are LOL)
Just wanted to say thanks for everything you've done, I've been implementing your stuff for a long time, especially the lateral raises. I'm at 127cm shoulder circumference now.
Started applying some more as well, we agree on the majority of things.
Keep doing the right thing, Jeff, you're awesome.
-Alex
Best response video I’ve ever seen. What a science based response Jeff! 😄🤝 -Gabo
I like to think of slow negatives similar to how we think of paused reps.
You may use less weight, get less reps,
but theyre a different type of rep serving a different type of function.
Variation is super important in training,
both to avoid overuse injuries
and generally just to make training more fun
i just love this guy, hes so humble, honest and coherent
Amazing how you gathered most of the criticisms, and as usual with humans, a decent chunk is just a bunch of people misunderstanding what they're talking about to various degrees. I'm also really thankful that you made other people's gripes as strong as you could, and allowing/exposing vulnerabilities in your own schools of thought! It helps forward the conversation way more than the screamers do.
I think this video is actually super useful for how to use Jeff's advice in his other videos. I actually also made the mistake of thinking the exercises in S-tier were better for growth at times so hearing this caveat is actually super helpful. Much respect Jeff as always for your humility and commitment to knowledge
I think the main issues are misrepresenting data/studies, presenting something we already know as revolutionary, being needlessly clickbaity or controversial, or being condescending towards lifters that don't read studies or have found their own way of training that doesn't entirely agree with the research.
Personally I haven't seen you do these Jeff, but I have noticed many content creators who market themselves as "science based" engage in these activities which can give the term a bad name.
Those things absolutely happen, but the backlash he's addressing isn't concerned with those things. It's implicit that the pushback in question is against sound, reasonable, honest science-based lifting communication, not against frauds and snobs. Dudes like Van Wyck aren't arguing that the science crowd is misrepresenting studies, being condescending, or pushing clickbait, they're arguing that the entire enterprise of science-based lifting is flawed and pointless nerd bullshit
this videos thumbnail isn't clickbait
“ science based “ is a brand at this point, just marketing.
@@LAK_770 That's because it is flawed and pointless nerd bullshit. I don't think you have a good sense of just how difficult it is to get almost anything about the human body right. Sample sizes are already small and some new variable is given increasing importance every other month that reduces the confidence of every study that didn't have the divine inspiration to take it into account to begin with. Medical science is a coin flip on whether or not it will get contradicted. Sports science is arguably worse. I would weight people's collective lived experience over science-based lifting nine times out of ten, and it's not because I don't know the science.
The main annoying thing is "stop doing this exercise" clickbait like Athlean X and others do.
Cant wait for your book to show up. Science based lifting has changed how I lift, especially coming back from a broken collarbone with lingering muscular pain. I no longer ache. I've put on some solid healthy weight in the past year since running two of your programs.
jeff getting better than ever
The comparison of the barbell row and single arm lat pull down sums up how you should choose your exercise. It depends on a lot of factors. Each can be programmed properly in someone's workout to build muscle.
We need a collab with Eric Bugenhagen
I used to push myself to failure every set. When I incorporated the idea of Reps in Reserve, it really helped with my recovery and gains. Thanks for making great science based content and always staying relevant with new research!
0:36 who invited this kid😭
he’s ong so annoying
Mario Rios. The 140 lb broccoli who thinks he's impressive.
Fr i hate himmmmm @@ThatGoalieGuy
@@ThatGoalieGuy fr i hateee him 🫄🏻
No 1 leon edwards glazer
7:13 and that’s why you’re the GOAT
I am not good at english
Hope everyone understands
I really think jeff nippart is a good person
I mean, why everyone hate jeff when he just try to
make quality video help some people like me don't have good genetics ( skinny ) with science
Jeff gives me a broader and more diverse angles perspective that helps me become better and better at training
He really help me understand more about
" Gym" at a newbie
Anyway, i from Viet Nam and his video help me learning English right now :))
your english is pretty good
Your English is good and i’m glad you’ve made good progress following Jeff’s guidance. He gets a lot of hate because some people interpret Jeff’s personal preferences as scientific end-all-be-all in the gym, and people then assume that all of his content falls under the umbrella of fitness pseudoscience when there are things here and there that are objective truths in lifting.
skinny ≠ bad genetics
@@shortycrust In terms of muscle mass, may be "Yes"?
@@ElijahZaporteza Jeff i'm doing this because science says this= scientific end-all-be-all in the gym
Dude, you are one of the best go to for someone that only has like 2 years of working out, I have learned a lot, but the reality is that even someone that has experience will always learn something new, and in my opinion it's always good to try all this exercises, some might work for you some won't, that's why is better to try them before criticize. Anyway, Thanks for all your hard work, learned a LOT from you and Mike, keep up the great work
Jeff just takes hate and adapts it. What a blessing he is to the fitness community! Have a cracking Christmas 🎅
yall dont know what hate is lol
@@alondrowhite7247 Not worshipping him = hate
He’s a fence sitting pencil neck
10:43 the shirt dissapear into mucle group highlight edit was sickkk
Jeff seriously has the best videos ❤
Dude, Honestly... you are the first guy I have truly followed because you are not like the others... I have seen results. Over 3 months I have dropped roughly 10 lbs of fat and gained about 2 lbs of muscle. I dont eat great... but I do eat according to the macrofactor app and it works. Keep it up! I think you are revolutionary in your training and thinking.
i think people are hating on science based lifting just because they can. for me your and dr mike his videos have brought more consciousness into how i train resulting in better focus and understanding why i do what i do
I think it's just because meatheads criticize things they don't understand
@@luukje No because you guys behave like arrogant pricks. That it's all it comes down to. And you guys also only apllie studies when they suit you. Like you love to say there is no difference i hypetrophy between free weigths and machines. 👌
But then you make a 180 to Promote another erxercise which is more stabile and therfore better for hypertrophy.
That was just one example.
Maybe some do, but there are valid criticisms on "science based lifting," such as
People using poorly conducted studies with like 10 untrained lifters training for a couple weeks and drawing click-baity conclusions from them without even explaining the limitations of the studies sometimes. These studies probably being one of the reasons people flip-flop so much on what's "optimal" and "correct."
People over emphasising the importance of technique which is obviously important but they sacrifice so much weight to get a little more rom and perfect looking technique which probably is just giving less stimulus for the amount of weight they sacrifice.
Over emphasis on having the most "optimal" exercise and calling exercises people have been doing forever bad because it doesnt have the most optimal tension curve or it isnt fully stretch focused where in reality if youre going to or close to failure on these exercises youre still gonna get good results either way and there might be other benefits to these lifts.
Discounting things people say theough experience because there isnt a study on them.
Thats just some
00:00 Already a banger video man 🔥🔥
The Jeff and Mike bromance is legendary
Thanks for helping me get back on the grind. I have been struggling to get to the gym again. Took a 3 month break for other reasons. Paralysis by analysis is probably my biggest problem.
I've been lifting since 2012 consistently and I find it interesting that, watching a lot of the science-based lifting, I have naturally just done alot of it on my own. Like the body just leads me that way as ive grown and advanced in my training. Ive never catastrophically injured myself or anything. Training is just super intuitive. So it is fun and challanging hearing and getting ideas from educated sources.
I think it's important to remember that no "tricks" are even close to being as important as just going to the gym. Don't get overwhelmed by all the science-based tips, just go to the gym, train hard and minimize risk of injury. Not saying science based lifting is bad, but don't let it overwhelm you to the point of discouragement.
1. Security
2. Consistency
3. Rest
95% of gains right there. The rest varies person to person and, ironically, hasn't been tested scientifically on individuals who've already ticked all the previous boxes.
A lot of us follow science based lifting methods to try to minimise our risk of injury. You say train hard, but training hard without understanding is a very quick way to injury.
@@stretch8390 "science based lifting" isn't necessary for anyone to meet any of their goals. it's just extra icing on a cake that no one really asked for. it's late-stage content for fitness youtubers.
@@glellio88 This is consistently spouted by roided out braindead people who aren't making it to old age.
@@glellio88 I'm not sure you've watched this video
Finally taking advantage of the drama, Jeff XD. You've got all the rights to use that thumbnail
Mike says there are no downsides to slow eccentrics (3:15) but I would argue that a huge downside is that you’re sacrificing load because your muscles will fatigue so much faster
The biggest problem of Mike's advice is his neglect to factor in high fatigue cost for the stimulus of "the stretch"
And WHY is that negative?
IF your primary goal is hypertrophy, then isn't muscle 'fatigue' the goal? Isn't lighter load, but still getting good mechanical tension on the targeted muscle, a win?
@@Neurogauntletfatigue isnt growth its the opposite search this study up MR measurements of muscle damage
and adaptation after eccentric
exercise
@@Neurogauntletfatigue makes u lose muscle not gain
Can't wait for Dr. Density to react to 1 second of this video and talk for 40 minutes lmao
I swear Mike just keeps making stuff up when he gets caught out
After years of blabbering on about milking the eccentric for the gains in between his shit jokes. Can't stand watching his content any more.
@@scoot1207 i'm completely unaware of mike's content, I'm guessing he was always a proponent of slow eccentrics for gains, but now he's saying it's just for a safety/control reason?
@@MagnumJohnson Slow eccentrics (1-2 seconds, basically just not dropping the weight) provide more growth per rep than fast eccentrics. This means you need to use less weight and fewer reps. You also save yourself from injury that may arise from reversing quickly out of the bottom position.
If you use fast eccentrics, you can build the same amount of muscle, but it requires more reps and more sets.
Slow eccentrics are passive tension based gains (longditudinal rather than radial) and will not result in more muscle growth due to us being stronger in this position, for us to have a higher amount of mechanical tension there has to be an INVOLUNTARY reduction in contraction velocity this doesnt happen with eccentrics unless eccentric overload which isnt practical and doesnt happen in the real world, they also result in greater fatigue, jeff is correct on this n@@justincain2702
@@MagnumJohnson Mike Mentzer decades ago was one of the original SLOWWW negative, 1 or 2 sets to total failure only can get you muscle growth (also on a ton of roids like Dr.Mike), then Mike kiboshes the whole slow eccentric mantra, but still utilizes it in every video when he wants to destroy someone at end of workout in all videos.
He also sits while training people and wears crocs while coaching...side details that drive me nuts.
Delivering more science in a video that is rebuttal to those who oppose science-based lifting is hilarious and I hope it's the most successful video for you yet Jeff. Gotta love the humor of it all
I just started your ultimate push/pull/legs program and I can say that this is the first time that I have felt a pump of this magnitude.
Me too so far!
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, steve.porss1, I understand what you're going through with anxiety, depression, PTSD, and addiction. Mushrooms have really played a big role in helping me stay clean too.
I wish those were more easily accessible where I live.
Microdosing was my next step for my husband. He's 59 & dealing with lots of mental health challenges, possible CTE & a TBI that put him in a coma for 8 days. Unfortunately, I had to get a TPO since he's 6'6, over 300 pounds, and showing violent behavior, constantly talking about harming others. He's aggressive. To anyone reading this, if you're familiar with BPD, is it common to have an obsession with violence?
Is he on instagram?
Steve.porss1 is the man
Jeff never disappoints
Awesome to see how well you've done Jeff bro! Cool to see the guy i played volleyball with be so successful! Cheers
That thumbnail is crazy
When I think about "science based lifting" I only think about the very basics that I learned from your "Fundamentals" series that I binged when I started lifting 5 years ago.
- Safety first, the fastest way to loose gains is getting injured so you cant lift
- 10 - 20 sets / week per muscle group
- progressive overload
- 2+ times a week beats 1 time a week.
- 1 - 2g of protein per kg of bodyweight, go high just to be sure
- Train close to failure
- Prioritize compound lifts
- Rest 3 min for heavy lifts, 1-2 min for isolation work
I never bother with things like controlling negatives, lenghtened partials or 'tips & tweaks'
Problem is if you do an experiment and you find doing >20 sets/week and 3-4x/week frequency and >2g/kg of protein and not going to failure with short rest(traditional bodybuilding work) works better for you, are you going to not do what works better for you just because you believe in the science?
Lifting is an individual activity, you should use science to start out, but experiment and see what works best for you. 5x5 isn't a science based routine, it was Reg Park's routine. So if you want Reg Park based training, you do 5x5. But eventually you should have enough experience and experimentation done you are doing training based on you and no one else.
Title is a Mike Van Wyck reference 😂
Bro my thoughts exactly 😅
Seriously though, really happy Jeff is OK
Mike Van Wyck is a coward. I bet he would be shy as a goat if it was Eddie Hall or Francis Nganou who said what Jeff said 😂
No shit Sherlock
That's actually his fist in the thumbnail
No shit, did you want some complimentary IQ points for your IQ deficit there? I just have a few my boss wants me to up-sell.
Thank you for teaching so well on the topic of body building. Ive not read one book or paid a single cent on my bodybuilding knowledge but after listening to your teaching for about 10 hours I feel I confident enough to write my own workout plans and teach others a thing or two aswell. Keep up the great work.
"How much difference does it actually make?" is exactly the point. For most people I'd argue very little. Focus on the basics first, eat, sleep, lift and stop fucking around in the gym.
I saw a comment like yours a few years ago and it was some of the best advice I’ve ever read because it actually got me lifting. The OG comment said “just go into the gym and start pumping iron” and thats exactly what I did. It’s been 3 years now and I’m in the best shape of my life. If anyone reads the above comment and has doubts just know that it’s really the first step and you’ll figure out what works for you, I promise.
I mean yes of course the basics are what drives most results, but leaning back on leg raises does not actually stop you from eating enough protein.
Getting the basics right is not a matter of knowledge but consitency and disciplin. Learning about exervise science does not stand in its way.
All of those basics are based on science.
@@niveaulimbo6101 >>Getting the basics right is not a matter of knowledge but consitency and disciplin.
Mostly agree, but if someone wants to "fuck around" in the gym with me, I'm taking that opportunity lol.
Dr Density is the only doctor you need
The quality of the edits and graphics. This man never disappoints
I think this is your best video yet! Thank you!