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Speed drop factor- long range shooting without a dope card
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- An in depth look at the accuracy 1st speed drop factor concept. This allows you to use one "dope number" to rapidly engage long range targets with a precision rifle. This concept allows the shooter to dial below their 100 yd zero, and then hold the distance in the reticle that correlates to the yardage they are shooting. the point of this concept is to rapidly engage targets within a defined margin of error. Rifle is a barrett mrad in 6.5 creedmoor shooting the 130 ELDM bullet. Scope is a nightforce ATACR F1 7-35 with tremor 3 reticle and ranging is accomplished using a wilcox raptar.
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00:00 Intro
03:31 Known data
04:42 Initial Calculations
05:30 Interpretation
06:07 Find your Speed Drop Number
08:13 Engage targets with traditional holds
11:11 Dialing in speed drop
11:53 Engaging targets with speed drop
15:30 Engaging targets inside/ beyond effective range
17:48 Summary
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This is literally the best, no nonsense, long range shooting channel out right now! Thanks for all you do brother!
Much appreciated! My plan is to keep delivering solid content! Might mix things up occasionally just to keep the channel fresh but my goal is to create a no nonsense, straight to the point channel.
Damn skippy. Other creators should take notes.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica Very easy to follow instruction, concise, no snake oil... Also for those of you that have Strelok Pro on your smart phone, "Speed Drop Factor" has been updated into the software...
@@missedshot9235 Thank you sir!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica You might want to mention, a mil/mil scope is necessary for this to work... Accuracy First is working on a solution for the moa/moa scopes, just not there yet...
So far, the best explanation that I’ve seen on this. Clear, simple math with no Kestrel!
Great job I have never seen this explained so clearly 👍
Thank you! I was hoping to try to break things down and show how simple and effective speed drop can be.
New favorite RUclips channel by a long shot, pun intended. Keep up the outstanding work!
Haha love it! Thank you for watching! I've got a ton of content planned for 2023 so stay tuned!
Great info!! You've got the most comprehensive shooting channel I've ever ran across. Keep up the good work!!!
Without a doubt, The Best content on Speed drop factor.There are a very few very good ones but this one fully explains the concept . Outstanding! I’m now subscribing!
Criminally under watched channel. Most of us here are sure glad to have found ya!
Nice vid. I appreciate the work you put in and the way you presented it. Nothing better than showing rounds on target to prove your methods.
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch! Lots more content like this in the works so stay tuned!
Man I appreciate this. I've heard of it, but nobody else has explained it so i could understand.
Great job at teaching us this concept.
Great video...clear concise explanation of the concept. Will be giving this a shot. Thanks!
Awesome video. I’ve heard of the speed drop concept before but never tried it. You gave a great showcase of it!
100% you should give it a try if you’re trying to shoot “generous” targets quickly. Not something I use all the time, but certainly a great tool to have in the toolbox
Wow man this is the best channel ever. Great content.
Wow, thanks! Appreciate you taking the time to drop by!
Hey man, I love your channel. this is my favourite video. i'd love to see more vids on how to get speedy but practical accuracy, or perhaps a video on spotting in a timely manner
For sure I could put something like this together, it would be really fun to put together!
This is my favorite video so far. Great information
Awesome, thank you!
I love the SCR MOA reticle but that Tremor 3 has me intrigued. Thanks for the “inside the scope” perspective.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch! The tactacam really makes a long range video so much more entertaining in my opinion.
Awesome video and great tutor, thanks for teaching me.
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the great video
Appreciate you taking the time to watch!
Great instructional video with great visuals.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch!
Excellent demonstration!
Thank you!
Im so jealous of the land in every video. Ive always had an interest in long range shooting, I have to drive an hour to get to an area that I can get 500 yards. My rifle is just an el cheapo i found at a pawn shop, but it makes me happy.
Excellent explanation! Great channel.
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel!
Excellent!
Very cool stuff ! 👍🏽
Thanks, I'm going to learn how to do that with my Tremor 3👍
Thanks for explaining this information. I have a Kestrel 5700 Elite with a Kilo3000 laser rangefinder. Kestrel has online classes that they have talked a little bit about the information you cover in your video. Since I’m shooting my MRAD in 338 Lapua Magnum I use a 200 yard zero instead of 100 yards. I don’t like to shoot anything under 700 yards unless I’m checking out my zero again at 200 yards.
Oh man, aside from 100 yd zeroing I don't believe I've ever fired my .338LM under 1000 yds. Too expensive to be shooting at such close ranges haha
@@MountainsMulletsMerica lol, yes that is why I bought 950 rounds of Peterson brass and 2,500 bullets
Use it all the time but mainly on a slower 6.5/140 comes out to 2.3 and also on 5.56 which is right around 2.0. Instead of dialing under the whole number I dial just enough to get to 2.0 and the subtract the 2.0 from the yardage. So I can zoom a little more and not have to be all the way at the bottom of the reticle. Also wind dots stay a little truer and max point blank is on 0. Only trick is remembering to subtract the 2.0 from the yardage.
Great point and something I didn't even think to include in the video. Personally I don't want to do any math on the fly so I like to dial the full amount but if you train you can make yourself effective with anything! Thanks for watching
I appreciate you are a dedicated guy who enjoys shooting and not some tactibro who stunts to look cool on Dudetube.
Fantastic presentation. I haven't regretted buying the gen 3 razor 6-37 till now 🤣. (Cant dial under)
Oh man, I didn’t realize the gen 3 6-37 wouldn’t let you dial under. Not the end of the world though!
My drops are already even from 3 to 8..... just have to hold 2 under the range. Neat content.
Very cool, so you’re basically already running sped drop factor. Makes raps shooting at distance much easier in my opinion. Thanks for watching!
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I like it Brother
This is really interesting, never heard of this before. Where did you come across this concept and if you don’t mind me asking sir, what is your background in long range shooting? This has me excited and that’s not easy to do lol. RESPECTFULLY Jim
Awesome video man. Great simple explanation. Adding this to my toolkit and gonna set all my zero stops to run below my actual zero.
I've really gotta get away from my MOA scopes and finally make the full-on switch over to Mil-dot. So much better for this type of shooting.
Man nothing wrong with moa but in my opinion MIL based optics are just a much better fit for practical long range shooting. Don’t worry, the transition will be easy.
Only confused on one bit. So for inside/outside of your speed drop window, you held an extra .5-.6 MILs high, was this to double your margin for error or was it an educated guess?
Can I use this with a point blank range of say 200 yard zero
Such a beautiful place. Is it a range or just a public land you can use for shooting?
This is private farm ground that I have access too. Beautiful place to get to shoot.
Saw you SBR video. I’m really interested in scar 17 performance at range. If you get one before me, I’d love to see it on your range
I actually don't have plans to pickup a scar 17 myself, but one of my buddies has one that I can borrow. I've got a 308 video out similar to the SBR video you saw where I shoot my 16" SR25 to 1000ish yds, my expectation is the scar 17 would be capable of very similar performance. Now that you mention it however, scar 17 content would be a great addition to the channel. Thanks for watching!
The 7 mm PRC 175 Grain Whoops The 6.5 PRC 143 Grain At The Muzzle. Far More Energy. Better BC & Just All Around Better Ballistics With Extremely Knowledgeable Shooting Accuracy & Of Course The More Coefficient Bullets That Rule Supreme. If I I’m Shooting In The 6 Calibers I Always Use 6 mm Arc Depending On Wind Speeds. .300 PRC Will Drop Any Game In North America Because Of Energy & Reach. So Many Factors Come Into Play Over 1760 Yards. Big 3 Are Wind Speeds, Correct Doping On Scope & Even The Spin If Earth. That Said 6.5 PRC Will Reach Out Effective & Full Size Man Targets To 1500 Yards For The Better Civilian Shooters. After That There Are Better Cartridges. Dope Sheets Are Absolutely A Great Aid.
Why the 5 mill on the range finder??? I didn't quite grasp that part. And also, do you have a 0 mill rail and scope mount? Or is that a factor or not? Thank you.
The rail on the MRAD has 10 mils of elevation built into it. My scope mount is a 0 cant mount. I zero the rangefinder 5 mils below the main crosshair because the wilcox raptar is also an IR illuminator that I use when shooting at night with clip on NV. Zeroing the rangefinder/ IR illuminator 5 mils low means when I'm shooting at distance at night my illuminator is providing illumination down in the portion of the reticle that I'm actually using for shooting at extended distance. Hope this clears things up, let me know if it doesn't!
So is this what primary arms used for the ACSS reticle?
No, I don’t believe so. My understanding of the ACSS reticle is it’s a bullet drop compensator. The hold overs are placed in the reticle based on where the bullet should land based on the calibration of the reticle. Speed drop factor is a mil based solution where you are adjusting the performance of a mil reticle so that it behaves like a bdc. So similar in function but not exactly the same in how they are designed. Hopefully that explanation makes sense. Thanks for watching!
Would this concept work with an MOA reticle? I imagine it could but it wouldn’t be as precise, however, my grasp on this concept is not great lol
No, my understanding is speed drop is mil only. If there’s something similar available for moa I’m not familiar with it.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica if you ever find yourself bored at the range and you have an MOA reticle scope just laying around, A speed drop MOA experiment video would be much appreciated. 😁 Thank you for what you do!
What state is this in? Fantastic! I'd love to see farming in this landscape someday.
Located in eastern Washington! Some of the steepest farm ground in the world. Check out videos of wheat harvest in the Palouse on RUclips, it’ll give you an idea of how things are done In the region.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica Of course, the Palouse! I work in Ag and visited Washington once. A Wilbur Ellis rep met me in Spokane, and we toured a location or two in the Palouse, then in the Basin (?.. Tri-Cities area?) and then up into Tukwilla(Seattle). The Palouse region is phenomenal, especially when seen from the air!
@@specfever2 Very cool, eastern WA really is a unique place. Growing up on the east coast, eastern WA is completely different from what I used to imagine WA had for weather and terrain. Cool you've had a chance to visit! Hard to explain these hills to folks that have never seen them haha
Very new to the LR game.. Where did you get your Dope Data from or how did you know it?
I use the shooter app on my iphone but there are tons of quality ballistic apps available for download. From there you plug in your bullet weight, BC and velocity and the app will spit out your dope. Next thing is you want to check what the app provides against real world drop on the range. You can also use a tool like a kestrel to get dope but that is a significant investment.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica No kidding! to the tune of $749. FYI, any one that has Strelok Pro the "Speed Drop Factor" was included in the latest update. On your iPhone it is found at the bottom of the "Change Cartridge" page which is presented in a colorful graph format... kinda neat
@@missedshot9235 very good to know. I’ve never played with strelok pro so good to know it also has the capability
@@MountainsMulletsMerica Sorry pal, I forgot to mention that your presentation was spot on and easy to follow... Way better than Todd's son, and he grew up with this stuff
@@missedshot9235 Appreciate that! I have a simple mind so I have to explain in simple terms haha
Cool system, but I'm an old fart that uses moa... I wish there was something this simple for the imperial system. I just extend my zero out as far as I can with the vitals window and go from there knowing what the drop is after that but there isn't a correlation between the range and the reticle unless the reticle is custom for that load.
Yeah you’d think someone would develop something for moa but I’m not aware of anything. This process is one of the main reasons I only shoot mils anymore. Thanks for watching!
15,000.00 in scope and range finder. gotta take out a 2nd mortgage
Nah, not even close. Buy gear used and save lots of $$$
What magnification are you usually using for the target at around 1100 yards?
Not much, typically I prefer less mag. I was shooting a full size ipsc the other night at 1100yds using my .308 SR-25. Had no problem making multiple hits at 11-12x
@@MountainsMulletsMerica Thank you. I was looking to get a ATACR for shooting out to about 1000 yards...always see you with a 5-25 or 7-35 and I thought I might be missing out by going with a 4-16.
@@michaelquaglietta8762 Oh man 4-16 is perfect for shooting 1000ish yds, you won't be missing out at all. Where I prefer the higher mag is for 100 yd groups but I also shot several moa 100 yd groups the other night no problem. I actually own 2 4-16s, they are very capable.
So your error factor is really .4 and not .2 because you added the extra .2 above and below peak. Just like it’s really .6 and not .3 because you added an extra .3 above and below peak. Am I missing something?
Just depends on how you interpret the data but yes if you’re looking for the total error range then I’d agree your description is accurate.
Thank you… I wasn’t quite sure how it worked. that clarifies it. Thx Good video!!
I love these "cheats." Whatever gets me on target faster is a good thing.
100% you need to give speed drop a try. Really cool way of rapidly engaging “generous” sized targets. Thanks for watching!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica I think Ridgeline Training in NH is teaching a similar "trick." I'll have to go back to my notes and see what they called it.