This is a very good training session. It takes me back to the summer of 1969 at Fort Campbell KY when the government shoved a M-14 into my hands. Fortunately I had already been shooting form age 6. I was now 17 and a pretty fair shot. In our marksmanship training we went over the very subject of your video. The lessons taught were spot on. On qualification day I was ready. If I recall correctly we battlesight zeroed at 33 yards. Our qualification involved shooting at the plastic pop-up silhouette targets placed between 25 and 600 yards on the range. If I recall correctly we had a total of 85 targets and they issued me 86 rounds. We fired from prone, sitting, standing, and kneeling positions. Remembering my ballistics lesson, every target within 300 yards I aimed center mass, The 400 yard targets I aimed at the base of the neck (shoulder height). The head was my point of aim at 500 yard targets, and for the 600 yard targets I aimed just over the head about 12 inches probably impacting at the base of the target. All of this was with iron sights. At the end of a perfect score I turned in my extra bullet. The M-14 is a very fine battle rifle. Today I own many rifles including an AR10 but the love of my life is my M1A National Match.
This video took me back to the summer of 1985 when I graduated NASA's Space Door Gunner school. Up until that time I had only shot nerf rockets down the hall at my sisters, while I was a kid, and just 6 weeks of space school I was now an official door gunner for NASA. I was flying though space at 692,000 miles an hour. I tell ya what if your timing and quick calculations are not correct you can easily miss your target by a few thousand miles. I can't stress how important it is knowing your battle zero especially when you're as much of a badass as I am. We didn't even have iron sights. We were expected to just use our laser beams and our version of Kentucky windage, but we were far away from Kentucky. I eventually had to turn my fully automatic space gun in for the last time but I still have flashbacks to when I was a door gunner for NASA, fighting aliens while being bombarded with the moondust flying into my eyes and the occasional space trash. Hell, one time I narrowly missed being swallowed up by a black hole while on one mission, which I still can't talk about. It's pretty top secret shit. You're welcome for my service.
Seems to me like a 50 yard zero makes the most sense. Has the least amount of drop or rise down low and through the middle, and yet has less drop at 300 than a 100 yard zero… It’s the one I’ll be going with for sure… 👍🤘 Great job on the video, and thanks for using a big boys caliber… 😉
This is very useful content in terms of a .308 battle setup. Thank you for doing this with the .556 and the .308. Im going w the 35yd zero. It is one thing to consider this info based on all the “parameters” plugged into a ballistics app. It becomes impactful when you see bullet holes on paper. You are wise to show this. You bring the ballistics to life. I hope you enjoyed making the video. I truly enjoyed watching it.
I had a blast making this video! I love seeing how real world performance lines up vs the theory and thankfully it seems like folks are enjoying these videos. Lots more content like this in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!
I've read about all of this, but this is a fantastic visual proof of it. It really makes it clear why a 35 yard zero is used in the context of battle zeroing.
Excellent work! On my 18” barreled AR10 in 308 I decided to use it as a “battle rifle” with a PA 1-10x LPVO with the ACSS griffin mil reticle. So I’ve found that a good 40-50 yard zero would give me the best trajectory for my given application which is point and shoot up to 250 yards and aim high @ 300 yards on mansize targets. I agree that the 100 yard zero would be excellent on a precision rig for the reasons you’ve stated. A 25 yards zero is just way too much variation on the trajectory especially at 100 yards (8”) geez 😒! The only time I use a 25 yard zero is with my PCC in 9mm which is only gonna be used at 50 yards and in. Just my 0.02 cents
Thank you commenting. My thoughts exactly! I was doing the math, splitting the distance between the 35 yard and the 50yard zero. Judging by the results in the video. If I sighted in at roughly 42.5, it seems those would be numbers I could live with. Of course a lot of factors in play obviously. Clearly my calculations would be a huge guess at this point. Like you, 8" high at 100, um no! Frankly that distance would be, for me, most real world shots.
@@Econolinebus it’s a pretty decent compromise. I usually opt for the 42-45 yard zero on a “GPR” and rock a 36 yard zero on a 10.5” barrel AR pistol in 556 cuz it gives me the best shot 0-200 yards with the decreased velocity from a short barrel. Just another 0.02 cents
Really appreciate the support! Just out here trying to create entertaining yet valuable content. Lots of new videos in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!
I agree with your statement and really enjoy this guys videos too but Rex has had excellent and very detailed videos on his channel as well and has for quite some time now. They both give far more demonstration and information than just show off their gear and what have you. Great work from both of these guys. And how can I give props to these 2 guys and not mention Eric and Chad! It’s so nice to watch channels that give great content.
Glad to hear you’re enjoying my content! Stay tuned as I’ve got a lot more videos in the works. Just wish I had more time to spend filming and less time spent working haha
@@MountainsMulletsMerica if you keep up at this rate.. you may be able to shift more time to shooting and making videos / while making money. That is unless you’re passionate about your job, of course.
My personal comfortable Zero for a 308 is somewhere between 250 and 300 yards. I've always told shooters they are wasting even a 30-30 by zeroing at 100 yards. If you zero to hit at least a couple inches high at 100, you are ready for a longer shot. That 2 inches high will never make a difference shooting big game. With the 308 I'm willing to go for a mid-range rise of up to 5 inches and that will have to be experimented with to see how far that lets me zero. Regarding your "range", I love that place. Such a wide-open piece of farmland with no people or houses!!!! Looks like paradise to me. I live in the East and own over 200 acres of farmland myself but there is nowhere even remotely that clear of civilization. I love your videos for that aspect, but your thorough method of shooting to verify performance rather than just talking about the latest trendy parts is what drew me here. Keep it up.
Stop work time, MMM put out a new video! What a good start to a Friday morning. Thanks for your hard work, clean editing, and thorough content! And yes, I'm still jealous of your shooting range!
Ha don’t let the boss catch you skipping work to check out my latest video drop! Thanks for the support! Lots of new videos in the works so stay tuned, I’m pumping them out as fast as I can.
I just watched your 5.56 "battle zero" video, followed directly with this one. I'm not new to shooting, but am new to long range optics. I've heard all kind of "theories" on "which zero is best." But when someone like you actually demonstrates it, things really become crystal clear... Thanks to you, I've decided to keep the "36 yard zero" on my 5.56 "go to" AR. Thank you! Subbed
Hey man just wanted to say that I truly enjoy all of your videos. It’s nice to see someone putting in the effort to validate things most people on RUclips simply talk about. Please keep the content coming
Appreciate the compliment! Theory is cool but the real world is where the rubber meets the road. To truly be confident in your gear you need to have the real world experience vs just knowing the theory. Lots more videos like this coming so hope you’ll stay tuned!
My takeaway: If you’re a simple cross hair or dot, and don’t want to dial up, use the 35yd zero. If you’re using a BDC reticle, use the stipulated/recommended zero (most commonly 100yd) and the drop lines at further distances.
So I’m not saying this to discourage, but just to inform you based on my observations. I must have Watch this particular video 4 times this past week because I’m about to zero my .308 soon. Each time I go to watch like from the previous viewing has been removed. Hopefully the RUclips counter is trying to screw you over. Keep the content rolling and I’m wishing you the best
Great video explaining how the path of a bullet (trajectory) and the "line of sight" of a scope interact with one another. It takes all the guess work out of the equation, really everyone that hunts should get this because if you shoot open sights, red dots or a duplex reticle you should have a "dead hold" or a zero that best suits that cartridge, then your zero is usually about 3"high to 3" low.(Not sure why it's gotten so complex?) Maybe you should and Mustaches to Mountains, Mullets, Merica? Have a good one, God bless!
In "Hunting" parlance, that's called a "Maximum Point-Blank" zero. You define the size of your acceptable hit-zone ( say a 6 inch circle/square) and you set up the rifle such that your bullet trajectory is never higher or lower than that 3 inches above or below aiming point. Then you can aim dead-on out to say 275 yards or so, knowing you're in the vitals for sure, without mental gymnastics at the moment of truth.
Just recently discovered this channel and it’s spot on content! I love the area you shoot in and the audio is great with the dead quiet and your narration, with the intermittent shots. It’s good stuff Hilts.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch and glad to hear you’re enjoying the content! Lots of fresh videos in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned and check them out!
Thank you for providing your generous demonstrations in a kind and teachable way, without a bunch of foul language or other other unrighteous behavior. You have a future ahead of you, Sir. Keep seeking excellence.
Thank you! Really appreciate the compliment. Just trying to create entertaining and easily watchable videos. Lots of fresh content In the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!
Agree 100 percent! Many of us don't come here for drama or others POV on nothing but shooting. Keep it focused ! The salty language is no problem for me , if used to envise a critical point. I am retired military , so I get it. Some are put off by it every third word. Your comments are correct 💯! Semper Fi
The 35 yard looks like what I'm going to go for next time I'm out with my 5.56 . Your videos are no nonsense and to the point, with no goofball drama babble . Good on you . :)
Thank you! Really appreciate the support! I’ve got plans to do this same thing with 300BLK so stay tuned. Really not sure what to expect there, nor do I know which zeros are most preferred for 300BLK. Let me know which zeros you want to see tested with which bullet!
Fantastic video, I love your presentation style and pacing. I find watching you shoot extremely relaxing. I just recently bought a 16” PWS .308, with an ATACR 1-8x. Went with 25yd zero just because I was also zeroing my new 5.56 AR and hadn’t looked up .308 data yet. After a few rounds to zero the ATACR, by holding slightly low I was ringing a steel gong at 200 yds for the first time in my life, it was a dream come true and I’m hooked now. This video is exactly what I needed, I’ll probably change my .308 to a 35yd or 50yd zero based on your results. Thank you for making this video!!!
@@rayfinlayusmc truly looking at the video it's making the most sense to me to go with that as well. Yet my dumb ape brain is screaming 100, even though I'm seeing the flatter trajectory with the 50 yard zero. Yet I like "hold overs" a bit more just yikes
Think about it this way, the trajectory of the bullet isn't changing. Only the point in the trajectoy where the path of the bullet is matched to the aiming point of your sights or scope.
This is great stuff! For my skill level, zeroing at 50 makes the most sense, as I really shouldn't be shooting much past 250. Even if ole Mose was out at 400, I'd never take that shot.
I find a 50yd zero is the sweet spot for MPBR on a 4" target. Great for precision work and helps reduce holds at longer distances. 36yd zero is an amazing zero for the "Battle Rifle" where your target is larger and your engagement range is limited. I never use the 100yd zero anymore as for all my applications, the 50 is just better.
Agreed. 50 yard zero on nearly everything I have, knowing out to 200 is minimal difference +/- 1.5” at most. Only time I use 100 yard-ish zero is if it lines up fairly even with the ammo/velocity I’m shooting for 300/1 mil, 400/2mil, 500/3 mil within .1-.2 mils. And BDC reticle zero, obviously whatever lines up the best with the subtensions.
I just put together an Aero Precision 24 inch 6.5 CM rifle. It's loooong and heavy but hopefully stable and accurate. Waiting on my optic mount and bibod so I can test fire. My other AP rifle is an FDE 16 inch 308 with an LPVO. I generally run 50/200. I like that you ran M80 surplus ammo, I run that 99% of the time.
Oh man I’m a fan of FDE 16” 308 ARs! Sounds like you’ve got a cool rig there. I figured M80 ball made the most sense for a “battle rifle” given its readily available and as “affordable” as 308 ammo can be…. If I’m running one of my precision 308s that’s when I pull out the 100yd zero and 175gr ammo. I’m actually thinking I might swap to the 35YD zero for my 308 battle rifles…. Really like how it performed out to 400 yds.
My AR10 runs a USO TS-20x in JVCR reticle with a piggyback Holosun 407c. Height over bore with the red dot sits at +4.5", using M80 ball, its zeroed for 65 yards (-2.5" @ 25, + 2.5" @ 150, and -3" at 300) The scope is zeroed for 200 yds, and my dope in mils was printed off on a piece of printer paper, cut into a circle to fit inside the scope cap over the eye piece and laminated with clear packing tape. Out to 300, unless its a small target, I use the dot. Anything small or beyond 300, i reference my dope chart taped inside the scope cap, and hold over using the reticle. It's remarkably fast and stupid easy.
So much of your zero depends upon the type of radical that you’re using in your optic. With a BDC or a Christmas tree radical obviously 100 yards works very well for a zero.
Great job on this and 5.56. Both quite similar results. One more for 6.5 Creedmore would be really interesting as its a bit different than these two ballistically and also very popular. Perhaps add a short on how different zeros are applied in calculation apps. Also, would you consider a "battle zero" for a 6.5?
100% planning to do this with 6.5cm so stay tuned! I’ve got several other videos I want to knock out first but these battle zero videos seem to get a lot of attention so I plan to keep pumping them out. Also planning to cover how different zeros impact ballistic calculations. Need to spend more time filming and less time actually working haha
I do a 100 yard zero. That’s good for any close quarters shooting and obviously out to one hundred. Anything further than 100 and I’ll dial for it. Thanks for the vid.
Great post Very thorough. I am running a 1x10 lpvo on My Springfield AR-10 .308 with a 16" barrel. I zeroed it at 75 yards. This platform is my go to battle rifle. In this set up I can make quite accurate shots out to 250 yards with a slight lift out too 300 yards. If I want long distance accuracy I will switch to my Weatherby Vanguard .308.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica I went against the "norm" and settled on a 43 yard zero for both my .308 and .556. It puts me in the middle of the 36 yd and 50 yd zero which gives me a tighter spread in the intermediate range (100-200yd) but still easy to hit 300yd with no holdover. I believe this 43 yd zero is the best for me. You might want to check it out too, you might like it. Thanks for a great channel!
Just picked up a PA Nova LPVO. I sighted it in at 50 yards. The scope has a Mil reticle. Lines up so that 300 yards is around the 1 Mil line, 400 yards is 2 Mils, and 500 is 3 Mils.
This was a very good video for informational purposes. My rifle 308 performance is spot on with this video. I replaced my scope with 1 that gives me zero from 25yds out to 500 yds.. Because of your video I now know that 25 yd and 35yd zero is good general purpose if needed
This is one of my favorite channels for long distance shooting. Really nicely done. 2 DQs. 1. Why use yards when the military (Army/Marines) use meters? Just an artifact of civilian shooting? This then is a battle zero exercise for civilians? 2. Less a question than a comment I guess, but I'd rather deal with bullet drop than I would overshooting. Most optics have BDC reticles to adapt with it, and little or nothing to help with overshooting. This has really reinforced my desire to maintain 50m zero. Thanks again for doing such a rigorous job at putting these together. I know for a fact it's a lot of work.
I love this! It's wonderful to see these results side-by-side to compare them. As you imply, it also makes it clear that there's no universally 'best' zeroing distance, as it really depends on what the purpose is. And that might be wildly different for every rifle and situation. Cheers!
Really cool to hear you found value in watching! Yep, as you say there really is not “best” zero…. I think the important thing is to understand the zeroing concept and then match what you feel meets your specific needs best…. Then just practice until you are confident!
These zero videos are the most usefull videos for those of us who don't or can't always run 300 or 400 yards regularly! Practical video for practical accuracy
Another great video. If you watch nothing else, you can learn so much from the summary of all the zeroes starting around 21:00. I mean he explains it SO well. Better than any RUclipsr out there. My money is on the 35 yard zero for the 308. (And I mean this is so easy to remember because in my opinion, and Mr. Triple M himself, the 36 yard zero is the best for 556)
One of the best shooting videos I have seen. I !m preparing to zero in a new build lr 308. You most likely just saved me a whole bunch of ammo figuring out the best zero. Great video!!
Very informative video. For ACOG, at 25m I used 300m line to zero, and at 300m used 300m mark on the BDC. I found mine went a bit high, but I did not have a rangefinder with me, so had to pace it off and probably was short a few meters. If you get time to a video with an ACOG using this sort of zero method, would love to see how it works out on your target set to see how close BDC is with that sort of zero. 25m will of course be low and 50m. 100m should be dead on using 100m mark. Would be interesting to see how the 200m to 800m marks on the BDC fare using that sort of zero method. I used Sierra MatchKing in my test to minimize variance, but seeing you get great results with the standard military grade ammo is inspiring. Nice shooting!
Yep seems like each of these are usually discussed in theory. I really enjoy seeing how theory matches up with real world performance as it can be rather eye opening. For instance here I really like how the 35 yd zero performed, much better than I expected. I’m thinking I’ll swap to the 35yd zero moving forward on my 308 battle rifles given it’s pretty much point and shoot out to 400 yds. Anyway, thanks for watching!
Great video and demonstration! Really explained to us former Iron Sights "Ole Schools". Appreciate the work and exspense to help the shooting community. Semper Fi
That was really cool. Ive heard the stats on different zero's but it was cool to see a real world depiction of all those different zero's at different distances and the effect it has on drop. I would imagine that will all be effected by bullet caliber and weight.
I just picked up a Zastava M77 and was looking for info on zeroing the irons and I remembered this video. As soon as you mentioned the 25yd zero being also roughly a 325-330yd zero too I remembered that's about 300m. So I'm going to do the 25yd zero on the P setting and the 300m setting and see how close that will be, then stretch it out a bit. That should also put me just a touch low at 100yds using the 100m setting. Excellent info, thank you.
Absolutely love it especially out of a 16" barrel. Definitely like the 35yd zero. As both a veteran thinking through engagements that might occur overseas or hunting situations for most whitetail hunters, that zero seems to give the greatest advantage. Thanks!
Just came across your video, and it is a great one. Based on the shooting data, a 35-yard zero seems ideal. I will be trying this on my .308 very soon. Thanks for the great video.
Great vid, well explained and has reminded me about a lot of stuff I have forgotten. Will be looking to change me Zero from 100mtr to back to 50mtr, for my Ruger scout 308 16" barrel. As I am using this rifle as a bush hunting gun, not too many shots are taken beyond 200mtr (220 Yards). Love the idea of the medium distances and associated variations from point of aim. Will have to test the drops with the 180g hand loaded rounds I use due to the extra weight and associated variation to your 165g. Also testing factory ammo of 150g that are also occasionally used.
Not while on AD, we mostly ran red dots or dots + magnifier. Since getting out I have still only done it on dots. Most of my glass have BDC's so I zero and verify with chronograph and walk out the round and verify and make an electronic dope card on my kestrel.
Super helpful. Living in the midwest where we don't have these gorgeous long range presentations, 50 yard zero is fantastic. Thanks for showing us the proof in the puddin'
Nice video. I have been using a 50 yd zero and was perfectly happy with that, never considering a 25 or 35 yd zero. Thanks to you I need to reevaluate my zero and am considering a 35 yd seriously. Thanks!!
I’m glad I watched this. Also glad I can have my new .308 bullpup accurately shoot distances between 35-400 yds with no adjustments. Will re-create this test and do the same.
Great video. This is the type of ballistics training I've been pushing for years. Unfortunately most of the range bunnies that don't have a clue (and probably never shoot past 100 yds), are constantly pushing the 100 yd zero. As you mentioned, the actual "optimimum" zero distance WILL be determined by the equipment that you are using - barrel length, optic height, caliber, type and performance of your ammo, etc. etc. Do your homework to determine what your actual "battle zero" would be - for YOUR set up. Again, great explanation and demonstration.
I really enjoyed this vid. I have a new .308 AR from Palmetto State Armory. I have a Sig Sauer 1-6x24mm with a BDC6 Reticle. I am just starting over in my shooting after being away about 38 years, (I am 79 now) I have been lucky as I have found a jewel in the range manager where I am shooting. Here in Texas our range goes out to 400 yards. This vid. has given me much to think about. Thanks and I will be looking for more! Red.
Glad I found this channel! I have a lot of videos to catch up on, but the two I have watched so far have been some of the most informative, yet approachable, long-range shooting videos I have watched. Well done!
Great video, thanks for taking the time to go through all of that! I use a 25 yd zero on my 762x39. For that rifle, it works out as a 25/200 yd zero and I end up about 6-8 inches low at 300 unless I use really cheap ammo, then I'm 12" low at 300. I know the rifle and ammo you used is a bit faster and flatter, but I like your 35 yd graph and I'm going to experiment with that for my AK. I've never like 100 yd zeros except when all you really want to do is shoot 100 yds.
dude! That answered so many questions for me. I have always used a 100-yard zero (w/ 223) and wondered why I was getting the results is was getting. Thank You!
I hope you realize that a lot of the people watching this video don't understand what you're doing and don't have a good understanding of bullet trajectory. Thank for going to all the trouble of showing how and why it's so important.
That’s exactly why I enjoy making these videos. Hoping to simplify what many folks believe is a complex topic. Certainly the goal with each of my videos is entertainment but I also hope viewers are able to find some kind of value in each of my videos! Thanks for watching!
Appreciate the support! Just out here trying to create videos that entertain but also provide some kind of value to the viewer. Lots of fresh content in the works so hope you'll stay tuned!
Sir I can truly appreciate the information you provided in this video. Critical information shown & essentially a cheat code for others. Anyone who goes to the range knows how much time & money is consumed, therefore I appreciate you doing the important work for us ahead! Looking forward to more
Good training video. Thanks. I zero my .308 AR at 200 yards. I do not expect to be using that rifle inside 100 yards but more likely out to 400-600 yards in which case I am holding over or adjusting my scope. For my scope and setup, a 200 yard zero gives me approximately a 50 yard zero, and 1 1/2 inches high between 50 to 200 yards. If I do not compensate, at 300 yards I will be 7 inches low. Still ok in a pinch.
For my large format ARs with scopes with a high end magnification above 10 I used to run a 200 yard zero for any with 20-26" barrels because I used them primarily for long distance shooting. But the long distance range where I shot for years that had steel targets from 200 yards to a mile (and a one off target at 2000 yards) closed down a few years ago. Very sad day for so many of us long distance shooters. So now I primarily use a 100 yard zero because the long distance steel at the new range starts at about 400 yards and goes to 1200 and it is simpler to get exact DOPE zeroing at 100 yards instead of trying to extrapolate it from a shorter/different distance. Since the new range only goes to 1200 yards rather than a mile like the old range I have yet to run out of scope adjustment with a 100 yard zero like I would have at the old range. On 16" .308 ARs with red dots or 1-3X prism scopes I use a 50 yard zero. Ones with an LPVO I use a 100 yard zero. Other chamberings in large format ARs with 18" barrels (for example .243 Win, .260 Rem, 6.5 CR) it depends on the magnification of the scope but in general if I am using an LPVO then its a 100 yard zero. I don't run any large format ARs with barrels shorter than 16", though I enjoy watching those at the range who do flinch.
I was using the 50-yard zero, I'm going to try the 35-yard zero it seems to be the best one overall! Thanks for hurting your shoulder to save us the trouble!👍🏻
Another great video, keep up the good work. I've been using a 36yd zero for years with any red dot sight and with my compact ACOG (TA-47 9.2 MOA Triangle). All of my optics with BDC's or milling reticles get zeroed at 100.
Good stuff, can’t argue with you here. After seeing the 35/36 yd zero on paper for both 556 and 308, I’ve made the switch to these zeros in both calibers. Love that point and shoot capability out to 300-400 yds. Thanks for watching!
I’ve watched like 10 of your videos so far. Great content and you’re a heck of a shooter. Finally found someone that I can trust their opinion. Subd 👍🏻👍🏻
I Have 4 Rifles In .308 Which Is What Is Still Used & I Used It For Over 25 Years In Military. No Debating Its More Energy Immediately At Short & Often 1100-1400 Yards. The Discussion Of More Weight With Firearm & Ammo Is Mute. In The Military If You Can’t Handle The .308? The Pick Another MOS So You Don’t Have To Hump It Around As Primary Battle Rifle. Utilized Properly The .308 Saves Lives As The Penetration Throughout The Urban Warfare Building’s. Cars & Personal At Longer Ranges Anchors Them & They Don’t Get Up & Scamper Away & You Especially Don’t Have To Admit “Oh Their Just To Far Away. .308 King Of Battle Rifle From World War 2 Up To Present. However People Insist & Change Just Like Technology Changes By The Month. You Get It I Know Overall.
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Great insightful video, well done. I run a Savage MSR-10 in 308W with an 18" barrel. I'm a metric guy, so I zero my rifle at a 100m and use either hold overs or dial for distance. My prior optic was a Sightmark 3-18 MR2, a really nice and not too busy reticle. I recently bought an Athlon Ares ETR UHD 1-10 (MRAD version). With my current ammunition choice, I can use the stadia lines out to 350m for precise hold over aiming, beyond that I will need to dial in distance for accurate shots. I use the rifle for deer hunting and with the 100m zero, anything from 0-200m is a matter of just putting the cross on target - At those distances POI will be +/- 6cm in regards to POA (approximately).
I mean this in the most complimentary way, you are like the Bob Ross of firearm videos
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Just remember there are no mistakes just happy accidents
This is a very good training session. It takes me back to the summer of 1969 at Fort Campbell KY when the government shoved a M-14 into my hands. Fortunately I had already been shooting form age 6. I was now 17 and a pretty fair shot. In our marksmanship training we went over the very subject of your video. The lessons taught were spot on. On qualification day I was ready. If I recall correctly we battlesight zeroed at 33 yards. Our qualification involved shooting at the plastic pop-up silhouette targets placed between 25 and 600 yards on the range. If I recall correctly we had a total of 85 targets and they issued me 86 rounds. We fired from prone, sitting, standing, and kneeling positions. Remembering my ballistics lesson, every target within 300 yards I aimed center mass, The 400 yard targets I aimed at the base of the neck (shoulder height). The head was my point of aim at 500 yard targets, and for the 600 yard targets I aimed just over the head about 12 inches probably impacting at the base of the target. All of this was with iron sights. At the end of a perfect score I turned in my extra bullet. The M-14 is a very fine battle rifle. Today I own many rifles including an AR10 but the love of my life is my M1A National Match.
This video took me back to the summer of 1985 when I graduated NASA's Space Door Gunner school. Up until that time I had only shot nerf rockets down the hall at my sisters, while I was a kid, and just 6 weeks of space school I was now an official door gunner for NASA. I was flying though space at 692,000 miles an hour. I tell ya what if your timing and quick calculations are not correct you can easily miss your target by a few thousand miles. I can't stress how important it is knowing your battle zero especially when you're as much of a badass as I am. We didn't even have iron sights. We were expected to just use our laser beams and our version of Kentucky windage, but we were far away from Kentucky. I eventually had to turn my fully automatic space gun in for the last time but I still have flashbacks to when I was a door gunner for NASA, fighting aliens while being bombarded with the moondust flying into my eyes and the occasional space trash. Hell, one time I narrowly missed being swallowed up by a black hole while on one mission, which I still can't talk about. It's pretty top secret shit. You're welcome for my service.
@@realtyrocks1969 I find it HIGHLY ironic that your tag has 1969 in it considering the OP (dowdwm) spoke of the year 1969.
Funny stuff!
@@briangullickson9013 yet it is. No relation
Thanks for the life story…
This one time…in Bandcamp?
Seems to me like a 50 yard zero makes the most sense.
Has the least amount of drop or rise down low and through the middle, and yet has less drop at 300 than a 100 yard zero…
It’s the one I’ll be going with for sure… 👍🤘
Great job on the video, and thanks for using a big boys caliber… 😉
fact
I agree
Have you tested either out yet?
Generally am curious
Curious how it worked out
Just got an AR-10 and looking to zero it in
How'd it go/what did you go with rifle and zero wise@@Fordgroup00
This is very useful content in terms of a .308 battle setup. Thank you for doing this with the .556 and the .308. Im going w the 35yd zero.
It is one thing to consider this info based on all the “parameters” plugged into a ballistics app. It becomes impactful when you see bullet holes on paper. You are wise to show this. You bring the ballistics to life. I hope you enjoyed making the video. I truly enjoyed watching it.
I had a blast making this video! I love seeing how real world performance lines up vs the theory and thankfully it seems like folks are enjoying these videos. Lots more content like this in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!
I've read about all of this, but this is a fantastic visual proof of it. It really makes it clear why a 35 yard zero is used in the context of battle zeroing.
Excellent work! On my 18” barreled AR10 in 308 I decided to use it as a “battle rifle” with a PA 1-10x LPVO with the ACSS griffin mil reticle. So I’ve found that a good 40-50 yard zero would give me the best trajectory for my given application which is point and shoot up to 250 yards and aim high @ 300 yards on mansize targets. I agree that the 100 yard zero would be excellent on a precision rig for the reasons you’ve stated. A 25 yards zero is just way too much variation on the trajectory especially at 100 yards (8”) geez 😒! The only time I use a 25 yard zero is with my PCC in 9mm which is only gonna be used at 50 yards and in. Just my 0.02 cents
35 seems to be king
This comment is spot on. Looks like around 40-50yd zero is really the sweet spot
Thank you commenting. My thoughts exactly! I was doing the math, splitting the distance between the 35 yard and the 50yard zero. Judging by the results in the video. If I sighted in at roughly 42.5, it seems those would be numbers I could live with. Of course a lot of factors in play obviously. Clearly my calculations would be a huge guess at this point. Like you, 8" high at 100, um no! Frankly that distance would be, for me, most real world shots.
42 yards seems to be a good split between 36 yards and 50 yards
@@Econolinebus it’s a pretty decent compromise. I usually opt for the 42-45 yard zero on a “GPR” and rock a 36 yard zero on a 10.5” barrel AR pistol in 556 cuz it gives me the best shot 0-200 yards with the decreased velocity from a short barrel. Just another 0.02 cents
I'm happy to see someone doing a great job with expressing battle zeroes with a cartridge other then 556. Great job
Love your channel... best practical long range shooting content on youtube. Bravo sir
Really appreciate the support! Just out here trying to create entertaining yet valuable content. Lots of new videos in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica Excellent video! What is the distance in height between your scope and the center of barrel?
I agree with your statement and really enjoy this guys videos too but Rex has had excellent and very detailed videos on his channel as well and has for quite some time now. They both give far more demonstration and information than just show off their gear and what have you. Great work from both of these guys.
And how can I give props to these 2 guys and not mention Eric and Chad!
It’s so nice to watch channels that give great content.
Some of the most informative and concise videos on shooting in general, love your stuff!
Glad to hear you’re enjoying my content! Stay tuned as I’ve got a lot more videos in the works. Just wish I had more time to spend filming and less time spent working haha
Spot on!!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica if you keep up at this rate.. you may be able to shift more time to shooting and making videos / while making money.
That is unless you’re passionate about your job, of course.
My personal comfortable Zero for a 308 is somewhere between 250 and 300 yards. I've always told shooters they are wasting even a 30-30 by zeroing at 100 yards. If you zero to hit at least a couple inches high at 100, you are ready for a longer shot. That 2 inches high will never make a difference shooting big game. With the 308 I'm willing to go for a mid-range rise of up to 5 inches and that will have to be experimented with to see how far that lets me zero.
Regarding your "range", I love that place. Such a wide-open piece of farmland with no people or houses!!!! Looks like paradise to me. I live in the East and own over 200 acres of farmland myself but there is nowhere even remotely that clear of civilization. I love your videos for that aspect, but your thorough method of shooting to verify performance rather than just talking about the latest trendy parts is what drew me here. Keep it up.
Stop work time, MMM put out a new video! What a good start to a Friday morning. Thanks for your hard work, clean editing, and thorough content!
And yes, I'm still jealous of your shooting range!
Ha don’t let the boss catch you skipping work to check out my latest video drop! Thanks for the support! Lots of new videos in the works so stay tuned, I’m pumping them out as fast as I can.
The 35/36 yard zero is what I put on all my 5.56. My 7.62 get 100yd zeros. Thx again for doing this video brother.
I just watched your 5.56 "battle zero" video, followed directly with this one. I'm not new to shooting, but am new to long range optics.
I've heard all kind of "theories" on "which zero is best." But when someone like you actually demonstrates it, things really become crystal clear...
Thanks to you, I've decided to keep the "36 yard zero" on my 5.56 "go to" AR.
Thank you! Subbed
Hey man just wanted to say that I truly enjoy all of your videos. It’s nice to see someone putting in the effort to validate things most people on RUclips simply talk about. Please keep the content coming
Appreciate the compliment! Theory is cool but the real world is where the rubber meets the road. To truly be confident in your gear you need to have the real world experience vs just knowing the theory. Lots more videos like this coming so hope you’ll stay tuned!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica so very true! Looking forward to what’s coming!
My takeaway: If you’re a simple cross hair or dot, and don’t want to dial up, use the 35yd zero.
If you’re using a BDC reticle, use the stipulated/recommended zero (most commonly 100yd) and the drop lines at further distances.
My takeaway too.
Don't let a bunch of want-to-be experts get you down buddy. You are right! If your shooting in an arc then the bullet does rise.
So I’m not saying this to discourage, but just to inform you based on my observations. I must have Watch this particular video 4 times this past week because I’m about to zero my .308 soon. Each time I go to watch like from the previous viewing has been removed. Hopefully the RUclips counter is trying to screw you over. Keep the content rolling and I’m wishing you the best
No other channel has done nearly as good of job as you have covering this topic ...amazing job !!
Great video explaining how the path of a bullet (trajectory) and the "line of sight" of a scope interact with one another. It takes all the guess work out of the equation, really everyone that hunts should get this because if you shoot open sights, red dots or a duplex reticle you should have a "dead hold" or a zero that best suits that cartridge, then your zero is usually about 3"high to 3" low.(Not sure why it's gotten so complex?) Maybe you should and Mustaches to Mountains, Mullets, Merica? Have a good one, God bless!
In "Hunting" parlance, that's called a "Maximum Point-Blank" zero. You define the size of your acceptable hit-zone ( say a 6 inch circle/square) and you set up the rifle such that your bullet trajectory is never higher or lower than that 3 inches above or below aiming point. Then you can aim dead-on out to say 275 yards or so, knowing you're in the vitals for sure, without mental gymnastics at the moment of truth.
This is the best example I’ve seen on this topic. The board at the end with commentary was great.
Just recently discovered this channel and it’s spot on content!
I love the area you shoot in and the audio is great with the dead quiet and your narration, with the intermittent shots.
It’s good stuff Hilts.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch and glad to hear you’re enjoying the content! Lots of fresh videos in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned and check them out!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica yessir! Been binge watching your old videos.
You sir have the heart of a teacher. Very well done. Super thorough.
Thank you for providing your generous demonstrations in a kind and teachable way, without a bunch of foul language or other other unrighteous behavior. You have a future ahead of you, Sir. Keep seeking excellence.
Thank you! Really appreciate the compliment. Just trying to create entertaining and easily watchable videos. Lots of fresh content In the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!
Agree 100 percent! Many of us don't come here for drama or others POV on nothing but shooting. Keep it focused ! The salty language is no problem for me , if used to envise a critical point. I am retired military , so I get it. Some are put off by it every third word.
Your comments are correct 💯!
Semper Fi
The 35 yard looks like what I'm going to go for next time I'm out with my 5.56 . Your videos are no nonsense and to the point, with no goofball drama babble . Good on you . :)
I love your Channel tons of great information!!
I’ve always liked the 36yrd zero!
I’d like to see this same video with subsonic 300 Blackout!!
Thank you! Really appreciate the support! I’ve got plans to do this same thing with 300BLK so stay tuned. Really not sure what to expect there, nor do I know which zeros are most preferred for 300BLK. Let me know which zeros you want to see tested with which bullet!
Fantastic video, I love your presentation style and pacing. I find watching you shoot extremely relaxing.
I just recently bought a 16” PWS .308, with an ATACR 1-8x. Went with 25yd zero just because I was also zeroing my new 5.56 AR and hadn’t looked up .308 data yet. After a few rounds to zero the ATACR, by holding slightly low I was ringing a steel gong at 200 yds for the first time in my life, it was a dream come true and I’m hooked now.
This video is exactly what I needed, I’ll probably change my .308 to a 35yd or 50yd zero based on your results. Thank you for making this video!!!
Fantastic! Just picked up a 16" SFAR and have been debating this very topic, super helpful!
I got one a couple months back, and yes, this is handy. You'll enjoy it.
What zero did y'all go with.
Just got my SFAR not to long ago and my lpvo finally came in.
Am just waiting for another range day
I went with the 50-200 yd zero
@@rayfinlayusmc truly looking at the video it's making the most sense to me to go with that as well.
Yet my dumb ape brain is screaming 100, even though I'm seeing the flatter trajectory with the 50 yard zero.
Yet I like "hold overs" a bit more just yikes
Think about it this way, the trajectory of the bullet isn't changing. Only the point in the trajectoy where the path of the bullet is matched to the aiming point of your sights or scope.
This is great stuff! For my skill level, zeroing at 50 makes the most sense, as I really shouldn't be shooting much past 250. Even if ole Mose was out at 400, I'd never take that shot.
I find a 50yd zero is the sweet spot for MPBR on a 4" target. Great for precision work and helps reduce holds at longer distances. 36yd zero is an amazing zero for the "Battle Rifle" where your target is larger and your engagement range is limited. I never use the 100yd zero anymore as for all my applications, the 50 is just better.
Agreed. 50 yard zero on nearly everything I have, knowing out to 200 is minimal difference +/- 1.5” at most. Only time I use 100 yard-ish zero is if it lines up fairly even with the ammo/velocity I’m shooting for 300/1 mil, 400/2mil, 500/3 mil within .1-.2 mils. And BDC reticle zero, obviously whatever lines up the best with the subtensions.
Yeah, I like 50/200 on my 5.56 and 7.62 rifles.
Awesome video. My AR10 is a 50 yard zero as that’s what works best for me in all my situations. Thanks.
I just put together an Aero Precision 24 inch 6.5 CM rifle. It's loooong and heavy but hopefully stable and accurate. Waiting on my optic mount and bibod so I can test fire. My other AP rifle is an FDE 16 inch 308 with an LPVO. I generally run 50/200. I like that you ran M80 surplus ammo, I run that 99% of the time.
Oh man I’m a fan of FDE 16” 308 ARs! Sounds like you’ve got a cool rig there. I figured M80 ball made the most sense for a “battle rifle” given its readily available and as “affordable” as 308 ammo can be…. If I’m running one of my precision 308s that’s when I pull out the 100yd zero and 175gr ammo. I’m actually thinking I might swap to the 35YD zero for my 308 battle rifles…. Really like how it performed out to 400 yds.
What optic are you putting on that Aero Long Boi?
@@phillipschmidtke2001 I'm running the Arken 4-16x50 scope.
My AR10 runs a USO TS-20x in JVCR reticle with a piggyback Holosun 407c.
Height over bore with the red dot sits at +4.5", using M80 ball, its zeroed for 65 yards (-2.5" @ 25, + 2.5" @ 150, and -3" at 300)
The scope is zeroed for 200 yds, and my dope in mils was printed off on a piece of printer paper, cut into a circle to fit inside the scope cap over the eye piece and laminated with clear packing tape.
Out to 300, unless its a small target, I use the dot. Anything small or beyond 300, i reference my dope chart taped inside the scope cap, and hold over using the reticle. It's remarkably fast and stupid easy.
So much of your zero depends upon the type of radical that you’re using in your optic. With a BDC or a Christmas tree radical obviously 100 yards works very well for a zero.
…NEVER thought of a ‘radical’ reticle..!
@@m118lr They are 'Rad' man. You should try them.......
I’m reticent to say reticle for fear of being radical. 🙊
Best explanation I've seen. Much appreciated.
bro is on that internet explorer range
I'm considering a 308 for a primary hunting/battle rifle.
Looks like I'll be spending money on 308.
This is a great video.
Great job on this and 5.56. Both quite similar results. One more for 6.5 Creedmore would be really interesting as its a bit different than these two ballistically and also very popular. Perhaps add a short on how different zeros are applied in calculation apps. Also, would you consider a "battle zero" for a 6.5?
100% planning to do this with 6.5cm so stay tuned! I’ve got several other videos I want to knock out first but these battle zero videos seem to get a lot of attention so I plan to keep pumping them out. Also planning to cover how different zeros impact ballistic calculations. Need to spend more time filming and less time actually working haha
@@MountainsMulletsMerica would love that
I do a 100 yard zero. That’s good for any close quarters shooting and obviously out to one hundred. Anything further than 100 and I’ll dial for it. Thanks for the vid.
Great post Very thorough. I am running a 1x10 lpvo on My Springfield AR-10 .308 with a 16" barrel. I zeroed it at 75 yards. This platform is my go to battle rifle. In this set up I can make quite accurate shots out to 250 yards with a slight lift out too 300 yards. If I want long distance accuracy I will switch to my Weatherby Vanguard .308.
This is the best zeroing video I’ve seen! (beginner)
Thanks man! The timing of this video couldn't have been better. I'm going out to sight in my AR10 tomorrow morning. I love this channel!!
Awesome! Glad I was able to get this out just in time! Appreciate you taking the time to watch. You'll have to let me know which zero you land on.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica I went against the "norm" and settled on a 43 yard zero for both my .308 and .556. It puts me in the middle of the 36 yd and 50 yd zero which gives me a tighter spread in the intermediate range (100-200yd) but still easy to hit 300yd with no holdover. I believe this 43 yd zero is the best for me. You might want to check it out too, you might like it. Thanks for a great channel!
Great video! After watching your other 300BLK zero videos I’ve now changed over all of my rifle caliber zeros with great results!
Outstanding video, great comparison and a must watch for anyone new to the .308 AR platform. Followed for content!
Just picked up a PA Nova LPVO. I sighted it in at 50 yards. The scope has a Mil reticle. Lines up so that 300 yards is around the 1 Mil line, 400 yards is 2 Mils, and 500 is 3 Mils.
This was a very good video for informational purposes. My rifle 308 performance is spot on with this video. I replaced my scope with 1 that gives me zero from 25yds out to 500 yds.. Because of your video I now know that 25 yd and 35yd zero is good general purpose if needed
Clear, precise .... well done in every way!!! thank you.
This is one of my favorite channels for long distance shooting. Really nicely done. 2 DQs. 1. Why use yards when the military (Army/Marines) use meters? Just an artifact of civilian shooting? This then is a battle zero exercise for civilians? 2. Less a question than a comment I guess, but I'd rather deal with bullet drop than I would overshooting. Most optics have BDC reticles to adapt with it, and little or nothing to help with overshooting. This has really reinforced my desire to maintain 50m zero.
Thanks again for doing such a rigorous job at putting these together. I know for a fact it's a lot of work.
I love this! It's wonderful to see these results side-by-side to compare them. As you imply, it also makes it clear that there's no universally 'best' zeroing distance, as it really depends on what the purpose is. And that might be wildly different for every rifle and situation. Cheers!
Really cool to hear you found value in watching! Yep, as you say there really is not “best” zero…. I think the important thing is to understand the zeroing concept and then match what you feel meets your specific needs best…. Then just practice until you are confident!
These zero videos are the most usefull videos for those of us who don't or can't always run 300 or 400 yards regularly! Practical video for practical accuracy
Awesome! Glad to hear you find value in these. Thanks for watching!
No bs, no fluff. Just facts. Top notch videos/information.
That’s what I’m about! Let the bullet do the talking! Thanks for watching…. Lots of fresh content In the works so hope you’ll stay tuned.
As always you are wonderful for creating such a educational video. Thank you.
Another great video. If you watch nothing else, you can learn so much from the summary of all the zeroes starting around 21:00. I mean he explains it SO well. Better than any RUclipsr out there. My money is on the 35 yard zero for the 308. (And I mean this is so easy to remember because in my opinion, and Mr. Triple M himself, the 36 yard zero is the best for 556)
One of the best shooting videos I have seen. I !m preparing to zero in a new build lr 308. You most likely just saved me a whole bunch of ammo figuring out the best zero. Great video!!
Very informative video. For ACOG, at 25m I used 300m line to zero, and at 300m used 300m mark on the BDC. I found mine went a bit high, but I did not have a rangefinder with me, so had to pace it off and probably was short a few meters. If you get time to a video with an ACOG using this sort of zero method, would love to see how it works out on your target set to see how close BDC is with that sort of zero. 25m will of course be low and 50m. 100m should be dead on using 100m mark. Would be interesting to see how the 200m to 800m marks on the BDC fare using that sort of zero method. I used Sierra MatchKing in my test to minimize variance, but seeing you get great results with the standard military grade ammo is inspiring. Nice shooting!
I’ve heard about the different choices in zero. Great to see it broken down on targets!
Yep seems like each of these are usually discussed in theory. I really enjoy seeing how theory matches up with real world performance as it can be rather eye opening. For instance here I really like how the 35 yd zero performed, much better than I expected. I’m thinking I’ll swap to the 35yd zero moving forward on my 308 battle rifles given it’s pretty much point and shoot out to 400 yds. Anyway, thanks for watching!
Thank you for this video! Very helpful. 35 yards seems like the right one for me.
MMM… bro you rock… That was absolutely phenomenal… BEST demo/explanation ever on different zero ranges…
Thank you! Really appreciate the support. Lots of fresh content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!
This content is pure gold. Thank you, sir!
Glad you found value in watching this one! Lots of fresh content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned!
Great video and demonstration! Really explained to us former Iron Sights "Ole Schools". Appreciate the work and exspense to help the shooting community.
Semper Fi
That was really cool. Ive heard the stats on different zero's but it was cool to see a real world depiction of all those different zero's at different distances and the effect it has on drop. I would imagine that will all be effected by bullet caliber and weight.
Thanks for taking the time to do this!
No problem! Appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel. Hope you found value in watching!
I just picked up a Zastava M77 and was looking for info on zeroing the irons and I remembered this video. As soon as you mentioned the 25yd zero being also roughly a 325-330yd zero too I remembered that's about 300m. So I'm going to do the 25yd zero on the P setting and the 300m setting and see how close that will be, then stretch it out a bit. That should also put me just a touch low at 100yds using the 100m setting. Excellent info, thank you.
Absolutely love it especially out of a 16" barrel. Definitely like the 35yd zero. As both a veteran thinking through engagements that might occur overseas or hunting situations for most whitetail hunters, that zero seems to give the greatest advantage. Thanks!
Just came across your video, and it is a great one. Based on the shooting data, a 35-yard zero seems ideal. I will be trying this on my .308 very soon. Thanks for the great video.
Great vid, well explained and has reminded me about a lot of stuff I have forgotten. Will be looking to change me Zero from 100mtr to back to 50mtr, for my Ruger scout 308 16" barrel. As I am using this rifle as a bush hunting gun, not too many shots are taken beyond 200mtr (220 Yards). Love the idea of the medium distances and associated variations from point of aim. Will have to test the drops with the 180g hand loaded rounds I use due to the extra weight and associated variation to your 165g. Also testing factory ammo of 150g that are also occasionally used.
I’m siting my grandson’s rifles at 50 from now on. That’s for a 308 and a 243. I really learned a lot from this video.
Great job, ive always done a 36 yard battle zero. Awesome to see some updated testing data
Have you ever done it on a medium powered optic? (2-10, 3-18, 2.5-20 etc etc)
Not while on AD, we mostly ran red dots or dots + magnifier. Since getting out I have still only done it on dots. Most of my glass have BDC's so I zero and verify with chronograph and walk out the round and verify and make an electronic dope card on my kestrel.
Nice video!! Been trying to test these on my .308, there isnt much content on .308, alot of good info here bro, thanks...
Super helpful. Living in the midwest where we don't have these gorgeous long range presentations, 50 yard zero is fantastic. Thanks for showing us the proof in the puddin'
Nice video. I have been using a 50 yd zero and was perfectly happy with that, never considering a 25 or 35 yd zero. Thanks to you I need to reevaluate my zero and am considering a 35 yd seriously.
Thanks!!
Consider 40 too
@@chtomlin the 35 yd zero does everything I need for my 6.5 CM. It’s perfect. Thanks for the suggestion though 👍
I’m glad I watched this. Also glad I can have my new .308 bullpup accurately shoot distances between 35-400 yds with no adjustments.
Will re-create this test and do the same.
Great video. This is the type of ballistics training I've been pushing for years. Unfortunately most of the range bunnies that don't have a clue (and probably never shoot past 100 yds), are constantly pushing the 100 yd zero. As you mentioned, the actual "optimimum" zero distance WILL be determined by the equipment that you are using - barrel length, optic height, caliber, type and performance of your ammo, etc. etc. Do your homework to determine what your actual "battle zero" would be - for YOUR set up. Again, great explanation and demonstration.
I really enjoyed this vid. I have a new .308 AR from Palmetto State Armory. I have a Sig Sauer 1-6x24mm with a BDC6 Reticle. I am just starting over in my shooting after being away about 38 years, (I am 79 now) I have been lucky as I have found a jewel in the range manager where I am shooting. Here in Texas our range goes out to 400 yards. This vid. has given me much to think about.
Thanks and I will be looking for more! Red.
Keep it up man! The information you put out may not capture everyone's tiny little attention spans but it is exactly what many of us want and need.
Glad I found this channel! I have a lot of videos to catch up on, but the two I have watched so far have been some of the most informative, yet approachable, long-range shooting videos I have watched. Well done!
Thanks for stopping by! Really pumped to hear you’re enjoying the videos. Lots of fresh content in the works so hope you’ll stay tuned.
Great setup and execution
Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to watch!
Great video, thanks for taking the time to go through all of that! I use a 25 yd zero on my 762x39. For that rifle, it works out as a 25/200 yd zero and I end up about 6-8 inches low at 300 unless I use really cheap ammo, then I'm 12" low at 300. I know the rifle and ammo you used is a bit faster and flatter, but I like your 35 yd graph and I'm going to experiment with that for my AK. I've never like 100 yd zeros except when all you really want to do is shoot 100 yds.
dude! That answered so many questions for me. I have always used a 100-yard zero (w/ 223) and wondered why I was getting the results is was getting. Thank You!
I hope you realize that a lot of the people watching this video don't understand what you're doing and don't have a good understanding of bullet trajectory. Thank for going to all the trouble of showing how and why it's so important.
That’s exactly why I enjoy making these videos. Hoping to simplify what many folks believe is a complex topic. Certainly the goal with each of my videos is entertainment but I also hope viewers are able to find some kind of value in each of my videos! Thanks for watching!
This is by far the most informative video I've seen on this subject. Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work. Best channel out there 🇺🇸
Thank you! Really appreciate the support!
Awesome stuff man! You have one of the best firearm channels on this platform.
Appreciate the support! Just out here trying to create videos that entertain but also provide some kind of value to the viewer. Lots of fresh content in the works so hope you'll stay tuned!
Sir I can truly appreciate the information you provided in this video. Critical information shown & essentially a cheat code for others. Anyone who goes to the range knows how much time & money is consumed, therefore I appreciate you doing the important work for us ahead! Looking forward to more
Really glad to hear you enjoyed watching this one and found it valuable! 300BLK battle zero video drops tomorrow so hope you’ll stay tuned!
Excellent video! I use a 35yd zero for all of my rifles regardless of caliber. You know what to expect
Good training video. Thanks. I zero my .308 AR at 200 yards. I do not expect to be using that rifle inside 100 yards but more likely out to 400-600 yards in which case I am holding over or adjusting my scope. For my scope and setup, a 200 yard zero gives me approximately a 50 yard zero, and 1 1/2 inches high between 50 to 200 yards. If I do not compensate, at 300 yards I will be 7 inches low. Still ok in a pinch.
Great work. Thanks for putting together a visual representation of these zeroes. Well done 👏
Thanks for showing the effects of different bz’s.
No problem! Appreciate you taking the time to watch!
For my large format ARs with scopes with a high end magnification above 10 I used to run a 200 yard zero for any with 20-26" barrels because I used them primarily for long distance shooting. But the long distance range where I shot for years that had steel targets from 200 yards to a mile (and a one off target at 2000 yards) closed down a few years ago. Very sad day for so many of us long distance shooters.
So now I primarily use a 100 yard zero because the long distance steel at the new range starts at about 400 yards and goes to 1200 and it is simpler to get exact DOPE zeroing at 100 yards instead of trying to extrapolate it from a shorter/different distance. Since the new range only goes to 1200 yards rather than a mile like the old range I have yet to run out of scope adjustment with a 100 yard zero like I would have at the old range.
On 16" .308 ARs with red dots or 1-3X prism scopes I use a 50 yard zero. Ones with an LPVO I use a 100 yard zero. Other chamberings in large format ARs with 18" barrels (for example .243 Win, .260 Rem, 6.5 CR) it depends on the magnification of the scope but in general if I am using an LPVO then its a 100 yard zero.
I don't run any large format ARs with barrels shorter than 16", though I enjoy watching those at the range who do flinch.
I was using the 50-yard zero, I'm going to try the 35-yard zero it seems to be the best one overall! Thanks for hurting your shoulder to save us the trouble!👍🏻
Another great video, keep up the good work. I've been using a 36yd zero for years with any red dot sight and with my compact ACOG (TA-47 9.2 MOA Triangle). All of my optics with BDC's or milling reticles get zeroed at 100.
Good stuff, can’t argue with you here. After seeing the 35/36 yd zero on paper for both 556 and 308, I’ve made the switch to these zeros in both calibers. Love that point and shoot capability out to 300-400 yds. Thanks for watching!
Haha just listened to a Kevin Owens podcast and someone asked this exact question. Keep it up man
Interesting, is that something Kevin Owens has posted on his channel? I’d like to give it a listen if I can find it. Thanks
this is so helpful to see verses just a ballistic chart. Thank you for the information! 50 yard zero makes so much sense for the north east US.
Best video Ive seen regarding the best zero, subbed. edit: I think the sweet spot is a 30yrd zero.
I’ve watched like 10 of your videos so far. Great content and you’re a heck of a shooter. Finally found someone that I can trust their opinion. Subd 👍🏻👍🏻
Bro... One of the greatest vids I've seen. Finally clicked for me. Thanks
I Have 4 Rifles In .308 Which Is What Is Still Used & I Used It For Over 25 Years In Military. No Debating Its More Energy Immediately At Short & Often 1100-1400 Yards. The Discussion Of More Weight With Firearm & Ammo Is Mute. In The Military If You Can’t Handle The .308? The Pick Another MOS So You Don’t Have To Hump It Around As Primary Battle Rifle. Utilized Properly The .308 Saves Lives As The Penetration Throughout The Urban Warfare Building’s. Cars & Personal At Longer Ranges Anchors Them & They Don’t Get Up & Scamper Away & You Especially Don’t Have To Admit “Oh Their Just To Far Away. .308 King Of Battle Rifle From World War 2 Up To Present. However People Insist & Change Just Like Technology Changes By The Month. You Get It I Know Overall.
Great job brotha, will definitely be back for more insight
What a nice video! Best regards from Switzerland 🇨🇭🤙🏻
Another excellent video with easy to understand practical real life content. Thanks a lot of for the hard work
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Great insightful video, well done. I run a Savage MSR-10 in 308W with an 18" barrel. I'm a metric guy, so I zero my rifle at a 100m and use either hold overs or dial for distance. My prior optic was a Sightmark 3-18 MR2, a really nice and not too busy reticle. I recently bought an Athlon Ares ETR UHD 1-10 (MRAD version). With my current ammunition choice, I can use the stadia lines out to 350m for precise hold over aiming, beyond that I will need to dial in distance for accurate shots. I use the rifle for deer hunting and with the 100m zero, anything from 0-200m is a matter of just putting the cross on target - At those distances POI will be +/- 6cm in regards to POA (approximately).
Excellent video….. thanks. I’m going with 35 yard zero after seeing all this data.