Grain Spawn Experiment FULL: Finding the best type of grains for mushroom farming
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Fresh from the Farm Fungi's Gary dives deep into grain spawn exploration. This video covers the full comparison between millet, wheat, rye, oats and pop corn grains used as grain spawn! The race is on and yields are on the line in this exciting Myco-experiment MUSHLOVE
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OK here is the deal: For the last 4-5 years, I have been watching so many and many videos related to mushroom growing, so I can learn about this science, in terms of doing the most with the least amount of work and expenses. If I had my own Oscar award organization, I would have given this video the TOP AWARD in lots of categories. The first one would be: you truly took the time in PLANNING the topic you wanted to present. The second category, lets call it STAGING, you generously set the stage for all different grains for benefit of your viewers! That means you CARE and have EMPATHY for viewers like me from Missouri so you went the extra mile for creating small size grain containers. Also an award for executing your research plan for extended number of days. Keep up the good work!
thanks for watching! 🙏🏻🍄❤️
I agree 💯% , very informative video, I love experiments like this ! Plus this guy seems like a nice person and authentic, anywho take care! Peace ☮️ from Welland Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
Would have liked brown rice tested. It is used all over the world and is available. The ones tested are often not available...
I'm in Philippines...thanks.
But he did not explain anything about the bulk substrate 😕
@@Bozzigmupp that wasn't the topic of the video. So that makes sense. He covered the topic of the video very thoroughly I thought.
best mycology channel on youtube
thanks!
Hey Gary, what a great experiment, and thanks for sharing it with us. The so-called porosity is another factor that can be used to determine if the grains tend to be more on the dryer side or the wet site. Here, Oats are more on the dryer side, and corn on the wet side. Wheat, millet, and rye are in between. Congrats on the new book.
Great video, I love that it wasn't a series, but rather a full start to finish video. I am ready to start growing and your videos have helped a lot.
Dude get tf outta here with that shit. This is RUclips
Potential nark alert
I wonder how a millet/popcorn blend would work. The millet could fill in the gaps around the popcorn, letting you pack in more calories.
Gary, this video was genuinely awesome! I especially enjoyed being shocked on which grains cane out on top for times and weights. Thank you SOO MUCH for sharing the journey with us on this!!
I did similar test, considered combination of their hydration capacity, size, nutritional value and price. Rye is almost pure winner in my book, especially when i pay 1$ per 10lbs*.
*Buying directly from small farmer, which doesn't use any fungicides, pesticides or herbicides. They aren't the most pretty ones and cleanest, but washing and separating floaters solves the problem. Floaters are amazingly well accepted as spawn run by Ganoderma btw, so nothing goes waste.
cool thanks for the ideas!
Best mycology content out there, thanks for sharing all your experience!
Epic video! By far the most educational, start to finish, thorough RUclips video I've ever seen. Well done!👏
Excellent experiment, I really appreciate you sharing this information. I’d love to see a ‘grow-off’ between wheat, millet, and sorghum/mylo ❤
Thank you so much for this experiment, we loved it. Keep them coming
I am from Romania and I am happy to follow you. The problem is that I don't know the language and google doesn't translate well. However, I understand something with the help of images. I'm a beginner in the field. I think it's a fun hobby. Thanks for all the tips!
Hello
I've been testing on barley. Seems to be fine. A 50lb bag for 12.50 from a farm store. Wild bird feed works also it has a mixture of everything.
you're the realest for doing this. I was just thinking I should probably expand upon my agar and grain options to test each culture against. gotta find that highest preforming set up.
Was here for the same exact thing 😅😂
I am wanting to repeat this with Agar - it will be a very fun one
I think an experiment like this would be best performed over a long term, recording averages. Otherwise a single instance like this is going to be anecdotal at best. Run solely corn for a few months. Measure the performance like you did here, but average it across many, many bags. See how it performs with different species. See how different levels of moisture affect the performance, etc. Then repeat for the different grains. I suspect there a lot more variables here affecting the results than what grains were used, personally. The good news is this: all the selected grains produced mushrooms! So for newbies, the key lesson here should be to "just start!". Don't be afraid. Buy whatever is cheap and easy to get, and use it.
yes my own experiences are reflected in this video but once I have more data I will revisit this
Great experiment, not the result I was expecting. Thanks for the vid 👍
I will say, your workshop was incredible. Thank you
Such a dope video. Really cool to watch the experiment process!
I love this man, I've been using millet since the beginning and have always heard it was a B tier grain but have always had great results myself.
Super grateful that you posted your experiment here. I’m did a mix of rye and millet at a 7/30 ratio and it worked spectacular. Shortly after my first break and shake it was full colonized within days
Hey neighbor, I'm here in Denver too. Very cool experiment, just getting into cultivating gourmet mushrooms and I'm finding the process and engineering to be some of the most fun parts. I'd love to see a rundown of your equipment and setup (if you haven't posted something like that already). I've hella gotten way ahead of myself while waiting for my spawn to colonize, I'm attempting to design and build an embedded control system to monitor and handle FAE and humidity automatically in the fruiting phase. Mostly for fun, I'm sure it's extremely impractical. But it's been an incredible learning experience as I have done several "dry runs" with a kind of mock bulk substrate to test the system. Your videos have helped me a ton, so thank you! I'd love to take a class if you start doing those again.
cool! Check out our farm tour video here - ruclips.net/video/OSbySIa5lBE/видео.html There is definitely a need for this in the market space right now I use inkbirds amzn.to/3wPjfle but they do not have a CO2 sensor so it took a bit to dial in and still continues to drift now and again. If you could manage that and keep the price point reasonable Id be interested for sure! Also, check out the video on air exchange explained in breaks down the environmentals more
Really helpful experiment. It's great to finish with what really matters, it's whatever you can get cheap! And that's going to vary based on Time, Location, etc
Thank you for love!
Thanks for asking questions, finding answers and sharing the process. Love your content.
Thanks a lot for the work and Info.
Regards from Germany
Milo (sorghum) grain is my preferred spawn. It’s excellent.
Great video! Thank you so much for running that experiment! What beautiful mushrooms . I’m a year late discovering your videos but I’m learning so much from your channel ❤
Great video, keep up the awesome work! I love to shake and break my grain spawn 24 hours before I run it on bulk. Gives it a extra boost with the head start. Mushlove
Gary.... you did an excellent job on this video. Thank you for showing people how fast millet gets the mushrooms growing! Keep up the good work!
What a great video - compelling viewing! The suspense was killing me! Well done.
Great ..Excellent Experiment Process....n Clear Presentation any Lament can Folow easily...
Millet is awesome, although with prices as they are, Whole Oats is the cheapest, best option for my grows.
It was 16 bucks for a 50 lb bag of whole oats and now it is up to 26 bucks. Millet is 42 bucks for a 50 lb bag.
Wish you did brown rice as well but good job
Really great to know. Generally a day or two extra for the cost is not a problem. The only other question tho would be potency. Even a week faster wouldn't be worth it if for some reason the active components were diminished. I'm also in Colorado and this market is about to expand rapidly I think.
As popcorn has a very hard outer layer, consider using cracked field corn ?
Whole corn fed to cattle passes through their digestive tack and come out whole. Pigs eat the cattle's manure and can digest most of the corn. Chickens pick through the pig's manure to get the remaining corn.
Gross, but breaking the grains hard coating it the answer to higher feed conversion.
Thank you.😊God Bless!😊
Thank u for the video, I'm currently using wild bird seed but am going to have another look at corn
Thanks for the great info Gary. Looking forward to getting your book. Enjoyed your contributions on 90sm live stream.
Best mycology video I've seen on RUclips. Thank you for sharing so much information with us!
thanks! 🍄❤️
So stoked to watch this. Thanks for documenting your grain experiments!
Gary, always a pleasure. Been following you since the beginning. I like your rubber band trick for side fruiting prevention. Mush Luv Dude!
20:18 REALLY good to learn that you can still send a stalled grain spawn to bulk and it can still continue myceliating and spring back into action!!!
Seems like the yield may have been lower due to the stall, but "lower yield" is infinitely better than "no yield" 😁 Thanks, Gary!!! 🤘🏻
I really enjoy the videos, you seem to break things down into layman's terms! Keep them coming
Amazing work! Wish you woulda thrown one bag with 5-grain bird seed in there lol. My fav. TY for the hard work!
Cool video. I’d love to see a pt 2 where you test Milo, Brown rice, deer corn, wild bird seed, and grass seed. Awesome content Gary
Millet and Milo are interchangeable
Wild birdseed contains millet and corn, for the most part along with sunflower seeds
Depending on the type of grass, such as rye, which is the gold standard, it would be suitable
@@aig9672 Millet and Milo are similar but not interchangeable and I’m aware what’s in wild bird seed. I wasn’t referring to rye grass. Don’t be so dense bro
@@aig9672 Millet and Milo are completely different grains. Milo is a type of Sorghum. Not millet.
If you ever do the test again you might want to try using whole grains like ya did and then do another set with crushed grains like say rolled corn just to see if it speeds up colonization. It’d be an interesting test
I used rye all time and always shook it up.
I've never seen mycelium stop growing afterwards.
I lately decided changing over to millet.
ive had this 3 to 4 inch radius straight up stems canopy round first white then light brown shades tan look as they get older around 2 weeks cicle then they go down to and fade away only to pop up again a short time later they look huge y started mulch and pine saw dust to grow peach lemon tangerine fig etc little trees and wehad unusual mist cloudy cool weather all 23 year and they been fun to watch dont seem to hur the plants will see dont know much about them
Can you do one on bulk substrates
yes I will explore that Ive been experimenting with wood chips and masters mix
be careful as some are not edible. I got good recommendations and guideline on psychedelic from mycozabo 🆙⬆️👆. He sells and also grows.
Great video, you can tell a lot of thought and effort went into this. Really appreciate it.
I have been running tests using popcorn, with another grain that I used with 'Sillies' - Brown Rice. I also put coffee grains in there. Hydrate the grains separately, and combine. Imagine how many thousands of inoculation you end up with. Plus, the coffee is a good source of nitrogen. Humans like coffee, too.
Amazing man. A well thought out experiment with a well executed video. Love that it was all one video and I didn't have to search for parts. Keep up the good work and I always look forward to you on 90s lives.
Great video I appreciate you showing the progression
good work great information thank you
Brown rice is a fantastic grain to use for starting spawn
I got 50 pound bags of oats -- the cleanest oats I have ever seen! -- at Tractor Supply, for only $10 per bag. I won't be using anything else for mycology work. The man who helped me was trying to get rid of them. Someone ordered 50 bags and never picked them up. I win! 🎉🎉🎉 TRIPLE CROWN WHOLE OATS, NATURAL is the brand name. I didn't have to pick out a single bean or a piece of straw out of it. I've been looking for a clean grain. I finally found it! 🙌🏽
good day to celebrate! 🎉
My dream is to one day just do expirements like this but on a massive scale, like 30 bottles of each and averaging together all the data, and repeating and all that to truly determine stuff like this
I’d love to be able to finance these efforts as well - Give me about 10 years to grow the business and I can hire you for R&D
Please make a video about chanterelle grain spawn and in Petri dishes.
Absolutely great experiment! Thanks so much for sharing.
Thanks Gary for sharing knowledge
Thank you for sharing this valuable video
I found corn very interesting. It always seemed to lag behind but always came back with a vengeance.
I only use corn after using wild bird seed
@@isaaccutlip5815 it’s often the cheapest grain too. I use wheat on my farm.
@@mattnsimyea if I just want to make 3 quarts of spawn I buy a bag of popcorn for like $1.50. I hear wheat berries are the best but I've never tried them. Do you grow it yourself on your farm? Or is it just a mushroom farm?. My dad planted some feed corn this year so I might crack some and try that.
I was in Colorado a couple of times ❤
Thanks so much for this complete video.
Especially corn may benefit from a few pulses in a blender.
Very interesting work - Thanks!
Love this video. Thank you for sharing your work and passing along this knowledge.
Here on Costa Rica I have to chose between Wheat, Rice or Millet. Rice doesn’t hold a lot of water , millet is kind of difficult to hydrate correctly, so wheat is my favorite as well. One caveat though. You have to protect the wheat from the cereal bug though while in storage .
Thx for video anyway. 😉. Good stuff
yes that is true - protect the assets! 🍄❤️
Excellent presentation! I learned a lot and was fun to watch . Thanks 👍 take care! Peace ☮️ from Welland Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
Thank you 🙏 god bless you for your time and knowledge
9:50 Why not mix right after injecting? Can you go straight from liquid cultue to grow bags? Can you use less millet compared to other grains to get the same yield?
Man be my mentor in mushroom farming please, you are so passionate about it and I'm too
Can you do a part two of this experiment with WBS, Barley, Milo, and Brown Rice?
no but I might revisit this again
Great tutorial !!
Can you make a video on how to create spores before inoculating into the glass jars.
yes we have one here ruclips.net/video/uSutQFMqo0c/видео.html
Thanks for all your informative videos Sir.
Awesome videos.....your teaching.....I'm learning ....thanx for the great videos!!!!!!!!!
love the head to head comparison, but would have been nice to have seen my favorite grain milo in there too!
Yes milo is a great spawn
Very nice. You obviously thought a lot about this and the delivery was great. I also think at current pricing Oats is the sweet spot. But I would never have really known it unless you ran that experiment. Great job.
Your wearing multiple sabres hoddies? INSTANT SUBSCRIBE 🤣😂🤣 Let's go Buffalo!!! Great vids btw
Where do you buy your grains in Colorado
be careful as some are not edible. I got good recommendations and guideline on psychedelic from mycozabo 🆙⬆️👆. He sells and also grows.
Great video by the way.
Thank you so much for sharing this information with us all.
Well done sir. Well deserved.
Bro, @30:30 Are those cubes you bustin' out for us to gaze upon??? If that be for real for reals then I tip my hat to you my good man as that is one helluva cluster packed ball of wonder!
Piopinnos are regular for food consumption. Non - cube.
Cubes are all I eat 😂
I would be interested to know the results of a mix of grains. For example one part millet to four parts oats.
I did one jar but it got contammed - I think it isn’t worth the extra steps hydrating multiple grain types but I haven’t explored the benefits completely- it might be worth it at a larger scale
wow you really went ALL in
im astonished by the differences in yeild. maybe it's just probability or the later flushes will equalize them, but from the data, i'd think its definitely worth to look deeper into what makes a little bit of millet move the needle that much
It has all been said ! Your vids are always “right on”. Can you tell me which rubber bands you use, so that I don’t have to go through trial and error. :) Ken
I think I got them from walmart
What is it that the rubber band does to prevent pins? Love this channel.. Thank you!!
thanks for watching! The rubber band prevents evaporation which can trigger pinning
Absolutely love your content. I'm a journey man mycologist. Been practicing for a few years now and just got my first flow box a 4 foot by 2 foot one starting to get my lab going. I've tried quite a few grain types but always love to gain (grain) more knowledge from a professional and traditionally trained mycologist like yourself.
Hi Gary.
Could you bring out a method of Substrate using Rice and Soy substrate.
Pink light laminar flow...
Regards,
Arup.
I think this would work but in my experience rice gets really sticky and clumps easily so when it is used as a grain spawn it doesn’t disperse as evenly in the substrates
You used transpore, i was going to use transpore because it wasn't going to be the end of the world if it got wet. Of course, I never could find a straight answer on the real difference in micropore and transpore ( besides the obvious transparency) so i just went ahead and bought a new paper micropore tape roll, even though i had a dozen transpore just to be safe.
Great vid. I just wish you have used some brown rice as well
I left it out because my experience it tends to get sticky and mushy - however maybe in the next go around I can try this 👍
Thanks for the great video, it's really nice to see properly documented experiments. It would have been pretty neat to see how these grains compare to your previous procedure of inoculating onto sawdust. You had mentioned that your previous procedure involved spawning to sawdust to save on costs -- have you noticed any major benefits from switching to grain spawn? It seems like sawdust would beat out all the grains in terms of surface area, so there must be some drawback I'm missing. I've also heard that mycelium "remember" what they are fed and adapt; for example if they are inoculated in oak dust, they will colonize an oak based substrate more quickly. Have you observed anything that would tend to confirm this phenomenon? If so, maybe a mix of grain and sawdust might perform even better for multiple reasons. Thanks again for the great presentation!
yes the grains hold more water so the yields are higher - with space as the bottle neck I had to switch over but I may revisit this 🙏🏻
Great video. Where is the Wild Bird Seed at? That’s all I use. Easiest of all to get.
Thank you for sharing, I learned a lot. I had a question though, why do everyone use a plastic bag, wouldn't a tray be better...? I mean it has more surface area then it should grow more right...?
yes but a bag holds moisture better. Some mushrooms grow well in trays though
today I purchased some small-grain brown rice wondering if I should hydrate it before using
yes just be careful not to overcook it shouldn’t be “sticky “
Great analysis
One of my other issues, even with wide mouth, is using quart jars; because the jar is still more wide than the opening. With the 1pint wide mouths, the opening and the jar are the same ID, so the stuff slides right out. Quarts are ok if you have a long transfer needle, but otherwise the 1pint wide mouth are great for both spawn and lc's; it's really the only size you need with jars.
yes this is true but I like how many fit inside a pressure cooker especially doing test batches 👍
maybe a talk with a miller would help with your knowledge of grains they love to share info as you do. good luck
Excellent! As always.