The Ultimate Grain Experiment for Mycology
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- Опубликовано: 4 мар 2023
- Wassup students, It’s your boi PGT and welcome back to class. Today’s class I’ll be sharing with you the results of my ultimate grain experiment. Many people keep asking me which grain is the best grain for cultivation. So I’ve decided to put all the grains that I can find to the test against each other and see how they compare. The goal of this experiment is to find out
1. What effect did the grains have on mycelium during colonization, which will colonize the fastest?
2. What effect the grains will have when it comes to fruiting?
3. What’s the best overall grain you should be using? Stay tuned until the end to find out.
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The world needs more citizen scientists like this
Unfortunately academia has become an ego driving hateful political high school.
@@FacesintheStoneShorts he’s talking about citizen scientists. Not school.
But thank you for the insight.
@@vogelvogeltje oh, you don’t have to thank me, I think that You* might be misunderstanding that academia has become an ego driven and hateful political high school. I support Mr Brill’s comment.
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The feed store down the road has 55lb bags of rye for next to nothing. But the prep for brown rice is so much easier and my yields are 100% identical to my rye tubs - as well the brown rice always colonizes faster, sometimes shockingly so with certain strains at a higher incubation temp. It's like the hardcore mycologist in me doesn't want to admit the easy "beginner's" grain is the best - and wants to jump through a bunch of hoops to feel more advanced..... but the real-world yields and potency from brown rice simply can't be denied!
ive been watching grain spawn videos for about a week now, there are a few folks who've done similar experiments to this video. it seems like the best advice is to do an experiment for each mushroom type. if you go through and watch all these videos, there appears to be a consensus generally about rye berry, millet, etc being the best choices, and then depending on the mushroom type there is a superior choice, usually in terms of fruiting time and yield .
I get best results with red milo.
@@huemann7637 just picked up a 50 pound bag of red milo aka sorghum hopefully the mycelium love it!
@@huemann7637 I get good results from wild bird seed from the grocery store. The worst is livestock whole oats from the feed store. I think that there's agricultural chemicals or Trichoderma on the livestock oats.
@dharmasky5928 yeah I would stick to human food grade grains, more regulation than animal grain
Summary for grains
Colonisation time:
1. WBS
2. Sorghum & Brown rice
3. Milo & Popcorn
4. Millet & Oats & Ryeberry
5. Wheatgrass
Biological efficiency/best fruiter:
1. Brown rice (501g)
2. Ryeberry (492g)
3. Sorghum (429g)
4. Millet, Oats, Popcorn, Milo & WBS (300-380g)
Dude, a very nice gift to the community. Thank you. As always, you continue to deserve the name...Teacher.
Thank you as well! I wouldn't be able to do this without you and this wonderful community! Mush love 🍄
Dare I say, "Golden Teacher"?
This, like the rest of your content, is super helpful, informative, and engaging. Love the amount of effort you put in sharing knowledge that cost you time and money for free to strangers to make the world better
Thank you so much for the kind words, truly. I'm glad you appreciate the content. I am happy to share what I have learned! I'm grateful for everyone here and wouldn't be able to do this without everyone here in this wonderful community! I'm glad to be a part of this journey with all of you! 🙏
I soooo agree arcies! PGT rocks.
You've been so helpful PGT I've always thought mushrooms are a gift to this planet and can help people in ways that is so necessary in our current times, I thank you personally for you have helped me when I contacted you through discord you always got back to me ❤️🙏🙋
Well said and agree.
I love in depth, detailed, experiments like this. Great work PGT!
What strikes me is not the difference in colonization time, but the end yield. Brown rice was not only the fastest to pin but had the highest fruiting yield. Thank you PGT.
Yeah this experiment should be measuring total yield after multiple flushes.
Perfect timing of this vid! Thank you for sharing and doing this. I was just wondering if different grains and stuff made much of a difference. Thank you again for doing a real world test of so many different types!!
I love your content, thanks for creating it and putting here for us to learn with you! I believe you deserve a great nice camera, with good autofocus and appropriate lenses to zoom in that mycelium forming and also a nice stabilization thingy so the shots aren't shaken. Thanks for putting yourself out there, you're kicking butts
Super happy to see this. Just inoculated my first batches that Ive made from scratch and they were all brown rice, so I'm glad I made the right choice 😁
Exactly what i was searching for !
You never dissapoint thanks a hole lot :)
Awesome experiment PGT! Thank you for all you do for the myco community! Many of us would not be here if it wasn’t for you and all your incredible support and instruction!!!!
Thank you! I would not be able to do this without you and the rest of this wonderful community, I thank you as well! 🙏🍄
Thank you for all of your effort and willingness to share your knowledge. We appreciate you PGT ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you as well for being a part of this journey together, I wouldn't be able to do this without all of you in this wonderful community! 🙏🍄
Thank you PGT for the educational videos.. love your mycology how to videos and experiments!🍄❤️
Thanks for everything you have done for the community pgt and 90 min mush love guys :)
Thank you so much for being a part of this journey together! Mush love! 🙏
This is fantastic. Thank you for trying this out for the benefit of the community. As always your videos are well made, easy to understand, and a pleasure to watch.
Thank you so much for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoy the videos! I'm thankful for everyone in this wonderful community, I wouldn't be able to do this without all of you! 🙏🍄
I guess I'll use brown rice instead of red wheat berries from now on and popcorn as a backup source when needed. Thanks for sharing your experiment results🙂.
LFG PGT…. Been following you for years. Happy you came back on. You certainly enhanced my harvesting journey years back and grateful to see you coming out with this type content. Can’t wait! Mush Love All!
Yup, he was huuuuge in my beginning period and i still come back for tips.
Your content is top notch. Been following you for years. Keep it up!
I’ve been waiting for this new nft drop for the longest😅. Truly am thankful for this, couldn’t find a more truer human being then you. Thank you for being alive.
Party on Wayne!
Been watching your old videos for over a year straight and wanted to say, THANK YOU.
It's crazy because you posted this while I'm literally in the middle of testing three grains.
Did you get similar results?
Nice! I've always used Oats just because of their sheer ability to take horrendous abuse. I can over cook them by a long shot and they still don't explode on me.
Great job. This is a ton of time put in. I appreciate it.
First of all thank you so much for all your hard work and your videos, you're absolutely the finest source on RUclips for beginning my call just & beyond, I've never tried brown rice got to give it a shot, I've had best luck with fully colonized within ten or twelve days.
Thank you for the kind words! I would not be able to do this without all of you in this amazing community. It's worth giving a try to brown rice! 😁🍄
Another great video Philly thanks for your hardwork
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This video is just what I needed right now as I am experimenting with different grains at the mo. Keep up the good work! It’s very much appreciated 👍🏾
Thank you! I'm glad to hear you are doing your own experiments! 😎🍄
After 24 hr soak, How long do you simmer brown rice for? I'm new to growing and need some help. I found you by recommendation from another RUclipsr. Super informative 👌
If I was back in school and needed an example of using the scientific method, I would use this video. Absolutely on point. Thanks so much for your video. I learned a lot!
clicked SO fast, yaaaass! exactly the person i wanted to see do something like this. very extensive, thank you so so much!
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Been looking forward to this vid since your podcast with Mycotropic - great content and really well presented. Mush love!
Thank you for the kind words. Mush love! 🙏🍄
Thanks so much, fascinating video. I’ve mostly worked with brown rice but I’ve tried many others. My method for brown rice is: put the brown rice in a saucepan with water 0.6 times the weight of rice. So if you have 500g of BR, add 300g of cold water plus gypsum. Give it low flame for about 20mins, open to stir and give it about 10 more minutes, maybe reducing the flame a little. When the water is all absorbed, load into jars. Pressure cook. Do a hot shake. This method works great! No rinsing. There will probably be some small clumps after the shake and mix but it will all colonize just fine. No boiling and this nothing lost to leaching. I have jars finish in ~16 days.
I would like to try this
Thanks for putting the hard work in for all of us out here reaping the benefits. It's great to see you back at it. Mush love ❤
Mush love! 🙏🍄
Love all your videos PGT!! I'm a big fan of WBS but after watching this makes me wonder? Cost of grains versus availability? Will have to do more research on acquiring the other grains for sure! Love everything you put out there for us as always
Just recently found your channel, and I am not disappointed. Keep the amazing content coming! You and 90SM have both helped me tremendously in learning this hobby. Thank you for what you do!
Thank you so much. I'm glad to have you here and a part of this journey together! 🙏
What a terrific video! This experiment answered many questions for me! Keep it up!
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Very helpful-as usual!! Thank you for putting in the work!!
Thank you for being a part of this journey together! 🙏🍄
Love your content!!! Could we get a video(s) on second flushes, dipping cakes, and stuff of that matter?
Lets go! This is so cool can't wait to get a little setup going and start growing my own!!
That will be amazing to get a setup going. I'm glad to hear you want to join the hobby! It's truly a wonderful experience growing! I wish you the best on your journey!🙏🍄
Wow thanks for taking the Time to show us that happy growing ✌🏻
This must have been an incredible amount of work/process. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
thank you I had no idea brown rice was this good. It's reassuring as a beginner that the easy solution won't affect the quality
Fresh From the Farm Fungi did a similar video . Millet was one of the slowest to colonize the grains but it was the fastest to grow actual mushrooms once spawned to bulk.
Really good videos. You've helped me tremendously. Thank you.
Love the experiment and looks welll controlled. One thing I would like to see is all the grains (other than wbs) mixed and compared to the individual samples. I have a hunch that variety is the spice of life when it comes to grain spawn but that is pure conjecture.
would love to see all sorts of different tek explored and explained in this experiments playlist you made! Have you heard of bubblewrap tek? Friend of mine said he had really fast pinning using it
Absolute BANGER of a video!
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WOW, what an amazing amount of work you put into making this video!
Thanks!!
i have been using rye since i started 3 years ago & I have had massive amounts of troubles with the local rye & contamination (black pin mold and/or a red/orange cobweb mold) over the last 6 or so months that I've now switched to popcorn, looks like I am going to have to put some thought into switching to brown rice :)
Thank you for the kind words! Sorry that rye didn't treat you well. I hope the experience with popcorn was a lot better! Maybe give brown rice a try! 😄
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher the popcorn has been great, just prepped 10kg's the other day & i picked up 4kg's of brown rice to try it out.
hope everything is going well for you & yours!!
This is a great video. It was very informative! I've used rye and popcorn, but now I want to try sorghum. I'm curious to see how well it works and yields from it.
I knew it! Running brown rice at the moment in jars, started with 90SM strata though! Best brown rice I’ve used in the 90s range is the brown rice and medley… dunno if have it in US but in aus it’s fastest colonisation times for me so far
You, 90second mycology, & rookie mycologist got me started on my journey. I appreciate you my guy.
I wish you the best on your journey 🙏🍄 mush love
Such solid content. Thanks man
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Ur the best pgt u are the true g.o.a.t because of u I started down this rabbit hole of mycology and I can't stop!!!! And I love it thanks for the great content and inspiration!!!!
I'm glad you've found this inspiration and love for mycology. It's really a beautiful and amazing experience. It's so much fun, and there are so many depths of interesting things to learn! Thank you very much for the kind words, and I wish you the best on your journey! 🙏🍄
Thanks for your work! I appreciate this video.
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Great experiment and professionally executed. Thanks for the amazing info. Looks like i wont be changing from rice !!!
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Excellent information! Thanks!
Thank you so much for this video 🙌🏼
Thanks for the good info in a low key, no hype video. I haven't grown shrooms yet, but will definitely start with brown rice since it seems to have the best chance of success for a newbie.
I see a PGT video, I click. Feels good to see an upload
Happy to have you here! 🙏
Super thorough! Great vid!!
Thank you! I hope it helps! 🙏
thank you, great stuff
Thanks for sharing with us PGT
Nice clean work, and a great experiment - subscribed!
One suggestion, however, which I'd love to see you test for in future: "15 psi" doesn't, in itself, sterilize grain. It allows the interior of our pressure chambers to reach higher temperatures. We've found that, with precise monitoring and control of actual temperatures, we can dial in the nutritional profile of each grain, tailored to the preferences of each specific strain. This results in faster, more robust spawning (which drives out opportunistic bacteria and mold), better fruiting yields, less wasted grain, and more efficient use of energy and labor - this, of course, streamlines and grows businesses, for those working to meet the demands of the booming mushroom consumer market.
For the home grower, and the mushroom farmer who is bootstrapping their way into the mushroom goldrush, "The Big Fun Guy" company has created a control box (called "The Control Box") which fits all standard pressure cookers, allowing precise, pre-set temperature control. They also produce a sophisticated autoclave called "The Big Unit," with two, moveable, temperature probes, that processes either 50 or 80 gallons of grain at a time. The Big Unit is insulated, which, in conjunction with off-cycles in the heating program, harnesses passive thermodynamics to ensure that every grain in the mass is heated evenly to the same, precise temperature. The Big Unit is also horizontal in orientation, avoiding the problems of "tower" style autoclaves designed for the brewing industry - specifically scorching of grain down near the heating element, and at the top, where heat gathers. The Big Unit is human-scale, offering much greater labor efficiency, and allowing growers the agility to prepare different grains, with differently optimized nutritional profiles, for the simultaneous cultivation of different strains.
Mycelium really does have a preference, and it makes a huge difference. If you want to know more, feel free to email me at: dan (at) thebigfunguy (dot) com.
Wtf how ave I never found his channel! Your a great teacher. Thank you for the tips. My magical farm be is bussin now.
Greetings Sensei. I wanted to give my very sincere gratitude for sharing your knowledge and experience. I have learned, more than I thought possible at the start of my journey into mycology and much of that has to do with what you share as well as how well you communicate and present the information. You and your work are greatly appreciated.
Thank you so much for the kind words. I'm glad I was able to help share knowledge and support your journey. I wish you the best on your journey. I would not be able to do this without you and everyone else in this amazing community! Thank you for being a part of this together! 🙏🍄
Great video with excellent information. Thanks for sharing. 👍🏼
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This was a great video/experiment, great job! I tried using popcorn once but it was with a spore syringe, and nothing germinated at all. I can’t wait until I find a source for LC strains because I want to try popcorn again it was so easy to prep and easy to find
I've only ever ran brown rice and popcorn but have noticed brown rice colonized faster for me. Harder to get proper hydration on smaller grain but worth it. I've even ran mixed jars of rice and popcorn and I'll get colonization in the rice around the corn at first then it starts going for the corn after
Brown rice has always been very good for me. WBS was also pretty good when I used it. And I found popcorn was actually pretty hard to fully colonize. But that was probably due to bad moisture on my part. I think it's best to find one that you like and master the technique. I will always use Brown rice...Thanks PGT, a great video as always!
Add a teaspoon or so of used coffee grains to your popcorn, it wont disappoint
@@Millzspecadd coffee to soak,simmer, or jar?
@@natekerx85 the boil
Newbie here and I have learnt soo much from your content. Thank you! and please keep coming out with more videos.
thank you thank you thank you 🖤 exactly what i needed 🤘
Who else do we know that can inoculate that many jars at once and get no contam. If youve never watched PGT just know hes the goat and he needs to be protected at all costs🍄❤️
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@@PhillyGoldenTeacher GOAT🍄❤️
Literally anyone that knows what they're doing🤣
Since you asked… Southwest Mushrooms. 🤷♀️
A good flow hood works wonders.
Gotta say I'm stoked see your test included red milo and that it performed as well as it did! From my grain co-op sells basically all the grains in your test (minus popcorn and brown rice) in your choice of whole, cracked, or rolled form. Rye, and Barley being on the upper end of the price scale at $55/$34/per 50# sac but they sell Red Milo for $14/per 50#.. and if you buy in bulk, like purchasing a cubic yard grain sac (which is essentially 2000lbs, generally a little less depending on the grain) the pricing drops to $500-700
I'd be interested in seeing a similar video testing mixes of the top contenders
I really didn't expect the brown rice to perform that well! Totally thought it was something us beginners used just casue its clean cheap and easy.
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Exactly my thoughts as well. Strange as most peeps discourage the use of brown rice. They say it has higher risk of contamination. But PGT is the GOAT for sure. 💪
thanks for sharing, I recently started using hard red winter wheat opposed to rye because its moving quicker by a few days for me, testing some other grains as well
That's awesome 😁🍄
So good, thanks for running the experiment!
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im now going with BRF and vermiculite since i had alot of problems with contamination on grains, got 4 jars ! thx for content
Thank you for being here. I wish you the best on your journey! 🙏
Great video man. Lots of work to get all them grains cooked properly and grown out. 👍👍
Thank you! It was fun 😄🍄
This is gonna be a banger for sure
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Just started my journey! Please keep the videos coming. 🤝
He is one of the best. And he is one that i can understand with my learning disabilities.
Wish you the best on your journey! 🙏🍄
A big thank you to you. 90sec and Keys also. My wife and I are about to harvest our first flush from the first 2 bags we’ve ever inoculated. Thanks for the great advice.
That's amazing. Congrats on your harvest 🍄😁
So thorough! Thank you!!!
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Depends on the variety you're growing, of course. Also, if you're terrible at prepping a good grain for said species, but good at prepping okay grains for your purpose, you choose the one that's better prepped every time.
Thanks PGT...You Tha BEST
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I don't have a pressure cooker and have been sterilizing pop corn jars and pillowcase pasteurization my sub mix using a large canning pot, works very well for me
Outstanding!
I love that PGT's content and video quality has sky rocket, but he still use is OG mic for voice over.
I come to listen to it.
It works! 😄
@@PhillyGoldenTeacher please don't change it.
Great video PGT
Great info saves a lot of time.
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i just ordered my first ever lc syringe (cullinary though, not the good stuff😂) still interesting to see the differences in grain in one video... might join the 🎉 after cullinary works out. so far your channel has helped me alot to try and start growing at home, along with dr. stamets and tavis lynches books. but i like videos better than just reading and pictures.
Philly is good to see you upload
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Nice experiment! What about fruiting on all of these? Size of mushrooms and amount of them? Would be really interesting to see!
I use wheat with good success, only use it cause I can get it free. Hope you post some more content soon, you're videos are on point!
Thanks ! I love experiments like this ! Take care! Peace ✌️ from Welland Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
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Very informative, thanks!
Thank you. This was essential to understand grain spawn.
i’m so thankful for your videos! brown rice gang!!!
I'm thankful to have you here! I wouldn't be able to do this without everyone in this amazing community! 🙏🍄
Hi there, I made the error of giving them a soak (6h) in hot water, by which time they were all split. I take it you did a cold soak? How long did they need to simmer? Because they were unusable for spawn I just cooked it all and am now going to be eating rice for every meal for the next few days (as my other rather large error was to soak a batch of 600g dry). I've previously used rye and WBS and have had issues with contam, I was thinking that was down to incomplete sterilisation as my old PC didn't have a guage, and some issues with moisture balance so thought I'd give rice a go. Thanks in advance.
Do you prefer the regular mason jar lids or the leak proof ones, and why? Just curious ! :)
Awesome experiment. Thank you
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