Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: Panther. Part 1
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In the new episode of Inside the Chieftain's Hatch, Nicholas Moran talks about the famous German Panther. How was this vehicle created and why did it come the way it did? Happy viewing!
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That track and suspension system is so very German. Wonderfully engineered and built, smooth as butter, and you are totally screwed if something breaks, ha.
These wheels did provide quite good though. Better to be hit in the suspension and immobilised than in the hull and destroyed. :)
I am sure the crew would completely agree with you.
Well if your tank is an expensive piece of engineering, I am not too sure you'd want to get hit in the suspension either.
It'd mean that you cannot repair it and would have to destroy it anyway
The wheel design had a problem of mud freezing in the wheels and thus freezing the tank in its place.
@AKUJIRULE It wasn't a problem of being stupid, it happened due to logistics, as the Germans didn't have the fuel they needed and had to stop the tanks at night on the Eastern front, during which the mud would then freeze in the wheels.
My brother supplied the actual tank sight to Littlefield for this Panther. He was suppose to have the chance to drive the tank, but Jacque passed away. Unfortunate for my brother.
As a heavy equipment operator I can tell you for fact it does not take much mud or snow to cause the tracks to lock up and freeze and become a real nightmare to get freed up. Best policy is to always clean your tracks and running gear prior to leaving it overnight, or spend hours chipping out mud and ice before you can move...;)
they probably did that, since they realized how their lives could depend upon that hard work...
Michael Müller A job they really did not need as they would already have a lot of heavy work to do, servicing the tank after an exhausting day in combat.
@@SvenTviking Combat? Was rather exception. Most days of war were waiting somewhere. In tank forces even more on the german side, of course.
@@michaelmuller6890 true, like cleaning toilets
They built fires under the tank to keep it warm as well as themselves as often times they slept inside the tank.
My grandfather was a paratrooper during the Second World War. Because of him, I became interested in history, notably World War 2. He told me once of an, "encounter" with one of these monsters during the Overload campaign. He told me he believed it was a Panther. It was how his unit the 101st 'I' Company 502nd PIR, killed one of these tanks. An ambush on one of the roads. Divisional arty set up one of their 75mm pack howitzers and waited till it was point blank. Then fired, blowing the roadwheels off and shredding the track. I look at your videos and I can remember him, and here his stories sir. He worked at Aberdeen Proving Ground till the late 70's, and, told me stories after he retired. He hated, and feared German armour, when he was a paratrooper, and, always told me, he would hunker down and pray for help when he saw them. Thank you, for this sir. And thank you for the videos sir.
Oh cool lol operation *overload* 😂😂😂
Thank you for sharing. These would indeed have been terrifying to have to face on a battlefield.
"It was how his unit the 101st 'I' Company 502nd PIR, killed one of these tanks."
My father was the 101st 502nd PIR "G" Company. They were in the same battalion.
@John Cornell Thank you for the detailed answer. Interesting. Blessings.
@John Cornell Cheers to you too. :) Haha irrespective of what tank it was, I can only wonder at these men who had the courage to face any German tank during WW2 (And vice versa.)
Tank is simply and absolutely gorgeous. 80 years old and it still looks like a fairly modern main battle tank.
Still look bizarre if it side by side with today's modern tank.
It doesnt look anything like a modern mbt.
No, but the centurion does...
Imagine how frightening sight this must been on the battlefield.
it was on veterans account they said it was a monster of a tank and were very scared by it
**sound of shell ricocheting mixed with crewmembers pooping themselves**
ISU-152 crew: Hold my pivo
If I saw a tank in general my first response is: kill it, kill it before it kills us
I saw the Panther in the Panzemuseum, this thing is HUGE. Its actually bigger than the King Tiger, just not that heavily armored. The video doesn't show how big the Panther is.
I have an exam tomorrow morning, and here I am watching this at 2 AM. Totally better than studying.
Exam today at 8 AM, I'm still watching at 4 AM.
Daniel Zajíc I'm sure you regretted that. I've done it before
Manas Surya did you pass?
Manas Surya I know how it feels
And it is true
Better than studying until you're taking the same class again next year😂😂😂
I totally envy this guy. Imagine reviewing tanks, getting in them, and sometimes having the opportunity to drive'm. Dream job.
If you have claustrophobia it's more of a nightmare job. I'm not as tall as The Chieftain (I'm only 6'4") but I'm a lot heavier. I get the heeby-jeebies just thinking about squeezing into those tiny spaces.
@@Agorante Totally understand that rationale. There are episodes where I've seen this guy squeezing himself out of tanks (escape hatch test). Doesn't look like a good time.
@@Agorante (laughs in short)
Those front fenders, though.
"Herr Schlitz, why do we not use the same fasteners all the way around so we only need to produce one?"
"That is not the German way, Karl"
As opposed to the Russian way, make one type of fastener and use it on everything from tanks to attack helicopters
Pretty cool that the crews could paint whatever camo scheme they wanted. (Based on supplies available)
the tank looks amazing I can't imagine the effort it takes to restore something like that
Very satisfying how fate was kind enough to let the one responsible drive his completed project.
Chieftain, here is the composition of the Zimmerit anti-magnetic mine paste. 40 % Barium sulfate - BaSO425 % polyvinyl acetate - PVA (similar to wood glue)15 % pigment (ochre)10 % Zinc sulfide - ZnS10 % sawdust
Thanks for useful data.
Chieftain, I have been openly critical of some of your other material, which might help explain why I am just viewing this in 2022. But to give credit where credit is due, I really enjoyed this series on the Panther. Thanks!
12 years ago, an old austrian man told me that he was tankdriver in the German army in WWII. He drove the Panther tank and he said it was the most advanced tank at this time. He did not complain about technical fails or so. He said in the hand of a good tankdriver it was a reliable an very good tank.
by the time Panther reaches full production (the tail end of 43 and the start of 44) how many "good drivers" are left?
@@pantherace1000 It dependet on each individual and the teacher of the drivingshool very much.
So glad I got to see this tank in person. Its a beautiful restoration and a behemoth of a tank wonderfully displayed in Hudson, MA. Hard to believe that it sat at the bottom of a lake for 50 or years.
Saw this beast today in Massachusetts. It’s absolutely awesome, probably my favorite tank in the museum. I may have touched the zimmerit coating too…
That return roller is to avoid the track falling between the drive sprocket, and first pair of road wheel. However, your also kind of right as it was put in a position to avoid interfering with the tracks mashing with the sprocket, rather than to aid.
I am making a robot to clean beaches for school and this is where I get my info for running gear... Wonderful.
Isn't using regular bolts, along with wing nuts to bolt down the fender make the use of the wing nuts pointless?
The only thing I noticed lacking from this magnificent restoration are the air filters for the Maybach HL 230 engine. I can see the carburetors fully exposed and open. There should have been a pair of canister like thingys holding the air filters over them. This way whenever the engines are running dirt wont get through to the pistons and abrade them.
Well, other facts that convicted germans to stop the application of Zimmerit was that it delayed
the release of many finished tanks for many hours in the factories, and second in September 44
is that the front was the Germany itself: the France was lost, and also Russia.
Great presentation and what a beautiful restoration that Panther is
I never noticed how crazy blue his eyes are
Hitler's?
Be careful or you’ll get lost in them forever
If you watch the footage from Cologne, you'll see the Panther crew escaping their hit Panther just as quickly as the Sherman crew does, and more Panther crewmen survived.
If you are used to getting in and out of your tank every day, you soon find the easiest and quickest ways to do it. It also helps if you aren't 7ft tall 😂.
I feel like if mud was really a problem when it froze overnight then German tankers would learn to scrape the mud off the tank before any stretches of time where the tank isn't going anywhere.
It wouldn't take long and if it really was a problem it could be solved pretty easily.
This is clearly documented on the Russian front. As I understand it, the problem arose with dramatic temperature swings overnight. Entire companies died beside the roads. There are films of it happening. It wasnt so much a tank issue as a " this country is a frozen hell" problem.
Zimmerit was made of Barium Sulfate, PVA, Zinc Sulfate sawdust and pigment. Interestingly they used to set fire to it to burn off the solvent in order to dry it out faster
Finally. Been waiting patiently for a Panther video. Thank You. Cant wait for the interior video. I watched the Panther restoration video. Really interesting to see interior clearly without turret installed.
Just saw this model in its new home at the American Heritage Museum in Stow, MA. The new museum took ownership of many of the Littlefield Collection's armored vehicles and is well worth a visit!
I saw this exact panther with the 501 number and its perfectly restored
It's an honour to be here. 😀🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪
They even added Zimmerit! How amazing!
Amazing restoration. They really got this one right. Even the camouflage colors look correct.
So this is the same tank that was in the show? Amazing. Those guys on the restoration project really did one hell of a job.
Actually I found an old photograph of a Panther crew pulling the transmission out from the access hatch on the top front of the hull you can see the access hatch with the 2 escape hatches on it laying on the ground. So in other words it wasn't that hard to take the transmission out like most people think. I think this is often the case for German vehicles of World War 2 They had ways of dealing with the issues. with special tools and methods.
Tiger:
I am the King of the Battlefield!
Panther:
Hold my fuel canisters
Oh, Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Except no german tank would surrender it's fuel to anyone, if at all possible.
That’s a beautifully restored tank if I’ve ever seen one
Beautiful looking tank..
Yes! Thanks so much for the review on the panther!
I love your narration. Not only great insight, but you have great cadence. That is important when binge watching! It's annoying to watch and listen to someone that suffers through speech. It's a gift not everyone has.
Yes, Nicholas you just made my day.
What a beautiful machine :)
Karyū JDM The most beautiful tank of WW2, in my opinion...
Robert Moore the Bob Semple is the most beautiful tank of WWII
SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT THE CANCER ...THE MAN IS A GREAT MAN TO DO THIS ..SAVE HISTORY
Its really interesting that we think of 40mm of side armor as being really thin, and then actually seeing how thick that steel really is. Makes it really easy to understand why Steel armor couldn't keep up with post war HEAT rounds.
True, when you see them in real life you think about the forces in play. As far as tanks go 4 cm is almost paper. I wonder why they didn't have more or at least sloped considering that previous designs were peppered by the soviet AT rifles.
I keep wondering if using the zimmerit kept others from starting to produce magnetic mines themselves. Wouldn't make much sense to produce a weapon if the enemy already has protection against it right?
The Germans felt their magnetic mines were easy to copy so they made zimmerit in case the soviets started making them too.
12:37
I like how he just gave up with trying to latch the hatch.
The music on the background is annoying
so true
it's the shortest repeat for a song I've heard.
Yeah a little bit
The music is off of Bob Dylan's 1st album. The best thing about it is that it's an instrumental, so you don't actually have to hear Dylan's voice!
so gentle to say"annoying"
cause pratically is so out of place (for me..)
Wow, they did a really good job restoring that tank, I remember watching the tv show he was talking about. (tank overhaul) They literally drug this thing out of a lake or a river, I can't remember which. It looked like the biggest pile of 💩 known to man. Sucks the guy who restored it passed away, but at least he got to enjoy the fruits of his labor by getting to drive it before hand.
From Czarna Nida in Poland. Illegally I might add. And then I was transported out of the country illegally as well. Hope it returns to Poland one day.
Why, its not Polish
@@mixererunio1757 why it’s not polish n polish got wrecked
I actually get to see this exact panther this weekend at the American heritage museum Its really is a nice looking tank
That is one beauty of a Restoration job.
Hans- We're getting our asses kicked by T-34s
Klaus-What makes them so good?
Hans- They're cheap and reliable.
Klaus- We better copy them then.
Hans- Okay, let's make it expensive and overtly complicated.
Klaus- PERFECT!
Then Germany lost the war.
+GenericFakeName
The Panther was by no means a copy, or a direct response. The T-34 wasn't renown for reliability either.
You're just not an overly intelligent individual are you?
>reliable
Yea they did have really no option but they kinda shot themselves in the foot when developing the Maus and other projects like the P100 Ratte (really Germany)
Nathan Peterson
Yea but when T-34 suffer breakdown, the crew will get a new tank instead going into vacation or became voluntary infantryman.
I got to see this Panther in person. It’s an amazing restoration
It's a nice little introduction at the beginning. I hope future vids will all get something like that.
Also, regarding zimmerit, as far as I know it was suspected to be flammable but never confirmed, and eventually considered safe.
Yeah it's true but adding zimmerit increased production times because it had to be dried after application adding 2-3 days to the production schedule.
Choosing between Panther and T-34 is like choosing between Audi and Lada. The progress in combat armor during WW2 was fast when comparing some Pzkw II to Panther. What seems to be almost impossible is how Germany managed to cut cost of Panther when it was just 14% more expensive on production than modernized Pzkw IV. In combat ready the price was RM 176,100 while that of Tiger I almost RM 400,000.
Dear god Chief, PLEASE tell me you took this one out for a spin in part two! It's a FUNCTIONING PANTHER! Is rare, indeed. Also, if there is anything left of it, please do an episode on the Object 279 at Kubinka. Thanks.
I read somewhere that the reason the Germans used interleaving road wheels was to save rubber.
I believe the fine rows of thick looking paint was anti magnetic coating to prevent magnetic grenades from sticking to it.
bob thompson Are you having a Homer Simpson moment - Doh! Or just having a laugh. They are iron ferrous longitudinal oxide To Attract Mines!!! Grins Xxx
He addresses this issue @ 12:35
Panther..Probably the best all around tank in WW2.
Probably not. The problem is that it wasn't an all round tank. It was totally focussed on shooting matches with enemy tanks and had little application as an infantry support weapon or a scout. That's what happens when an industrialist has more say in the design of tanks that the army... No a good thing.
There is no best tank in ww2, all nation have tank that they specificly need like japan needed lighter tank so they can move it all 'round their little island, and stuff like that
I am going up to Massachusetts to go see this Panther and all the other tanks up there.
My favorite tank of all time
What you missed about the transmission: the Panthers transmission was able to compensate 50cm of altitude difference. It made driving and shooting way more comfortable. Also, these 50cm have never been topped until the late 60s.
Everyone does great work with detailing WW2 tanks and even trucks. Something all of you do is fail completely with showing people the equipment mechanics had to work with to repair these beasts. I was a Bradley mechanic for 15 yrs in the Army. I was also lucky enough to be assigned to recovery sections and teams in nearly all of my units I served in. So I worked extensively with the HMMT Wreckers. The M88a1s and even the Deuce 1/2 Wreckers and 5 ton Wreckers. The VTRs were pulled from service before I came along so I never for to play with them. The M88a1 and later the M88a2 were hands down the kings of recovery even when recovering wheeled vehicles. I could raise my boom and pay out my cables at the same time and go up on my spade if need to pull out Hummers that went into canals or rolled over. HMMT Wreckers took a few minutes to setup before they could do such work. The M88s incredible lifting and towing capacities made them invaluable to the units that have them. Even if some maintenance teams had guys that were less than great with keeping their own vehicles running smoothly like the M88. The M88 is a often neglected vehicle by maintenance teams. Either from ignorance of how to work on them. Or just plain ol laziness. I have seen it too many times and it always made me angry to see such a great piece of engineering just being abused like that. I always kept my 88s serviced, cleaned, and maintained to ensure I had as little as possible a chance of vehicle failure during a mission. And keeping spare parts and track parts was very much key to quick repairs. I really with you guys would talk about tank recovery vehicles and even speak with guys like me who have thousands of hours operating them and living in them for months at a time.
OMG Chieftain im so glad you finally did this, cant wait for part 2
While I'm not a big fan of WoT, these videos are really interesting to watch.
When I was younger I use to think zimmerit was weld that was applied to thicken the metal.
The reason why the heavy German tanks had so many wheels, was NOT of the weight of the tank, but for stabilise the gun.
A good friend who served in the USA 1st division told me before his death that the German Tanks had gasoline blow torches to thaw out tracks on them...ie adding to the fuel problems that the Germans experienced in winter 44/45.
Beautiful Tank
I love how it has zamarit on it
As always, an excellent presentation. We actually have a Panther under full restoration for the Australian Armour and Artillery Museum in Cairns, Queensland. When finished it apparently will be only the third fully restored example in the world and the only one in the Southern Hemisphere - I can't wait to go up and see it for myself!!
That I don't know yet, but the Museum itself will. I'm sure they'll be happy to tell you if you contact them. Look for the reports of the restoration of this classic tank on their website too - very interesting!
@John Cornell
I live 20 minutes away from this museum, go at least once a year
Its a beautiful tank, i love it
I think that by the way Mr. Chieftan speaks he should be assigned the role of an Imperial pfficer in a star wars movie. IDK but with a few makeup touches he will look exactly like Grand Admiral thrawn
Petition for seeing him as thrawn in a canon movie👇
the designer of the panther armor so genius. vertical paste to protect the plate from magnetic anti tank mine. and to prevent mine to stick on plate.
The paste is called Zimmerit, but its next to useless since Germany is the one who mostly uses magnetic anti tank mine.
That's gorgeous! Excellent restoration.
the mud freezing I can see, regardless of horsepower. it's similar to older tractors that had the front wheels angle in to the ground on each side. it's why you see some older ones with a single angled wheel up front. not a mistake, just makes it easier to deal with in cold conditions.
Probaby the best looking tank of wwll
Great stuff Nicholas! Have you read "Panther in Action" by squadron/signal publications (armor nr. 11)? Great book with every detail of the Panther from D to G! Also a must for model builders !
Can't wait for the next episode, what a beautiful tank and a great restoration...
If that thing didn’t have the reliability issues it would have been the best tank of the war
PLZ stop that background music.!!
It's like intro music that should last 30 seconds but goes on the whole time
I couldn’t agree more. Lose the shit sound track!!
I like the background music. It lets me know that this is about The Cheiftain inside the hatch.
It's real life bro :P
My favourite, and one of the best tanks of ww2. Yes!
until the final drives fail, or you get knocked out by a T-34 or sherman because they outnumber you ten to one, or you get raped by a SU-152, or you get frontally penetrated by a T-34-85 or sherman firefly or sherman 76.
God almighty I always seem to forget how massive the panther is. The engine deck is higher than most people.
Finaly! Thank you!
Whatever else you can say about the Panther, and it had it's fair (more than it's fair, arguably) share of issues, it is certainly a beautiful example of some of the finest pieces of German (over)engineering to ever see combat.
Not to mention one of the better looking tanks ever made.
Some allied chaps once found a Panther in a barn, drove it around for a year before a fuel pump died.
They talked about how it was Superior to the sherman in both weponary and getting through mud and other offroading troubles much easier
Major caveat to this: The final drive, something that was never changed throughout the Panther's service life, was known to literally disassemble itself, usually catastrophically, at a random interval from anywhere from 200km up.
As long as that held up, and, as I said, it's a issue that was never resolved, not even by the post war users (would have needed a complete redesign of the entire drive train apparently) the Panther was as good as it gets in WW2 though.
Lafeel Abriel but the fact is that a fuel pump set it out of action, not the final drives :D
That factoid about the wheels freezing up: I read in the Time LIFE series on the Russian Campaign that the German tank crews were constantly running out of grenades. They finished fighting for the day and went to sleep. When they woke up, they found that their wheels were totally frozen. They couldn't waste precious rifle ammo so they tossed grenades to break up the ice. Must have been tough sleeping inside those things considering they were cold and cramped and you had no pillow....
waiting part 2
YEAH WHEN'S PART TWO COMING? Thanks for the great videos.
Great piece - thanks!
A Panther vulnerability I heard from someone who claimed to have discovered it was that 3+ HE rounds on the turret would brew them up. He did this once in desperation in Italy (no AP left), found it worked and continued doing so. Has anyone else come across this?
What calibre HE rounds?I can imagine,if one aim under the gun mantlet,that might worked out.
75 mm - anywhere on the turret sides. This is different from the early mantlet that was a shot trap. (AP shot striking its underside would ricochet down and penetrate the thinner top of the crew compartment).
i gasmed looking at my fav tank of all time
Danville, Virginia has an excellent Tank museum. If you can, make the trip!
Say, what you will, but this is a beautiful tank!
Yes! the never ending music.
The major difference in armored warfare wasn't as much the tanks as it was the crews, at which the Panzer's units excelled. Over engineering was evident in most of the Wehrmacht's military hardware and resulted in lower production numbers. A higher number of tanks equal to the those of the allies would have been the wiser move.
_A higher number of tanks equal to the those of the allies would have been the wiser move_
I am not so sure. I mean, the Germans are already having problems with scarcity of rare alloys, petrol and qualified crewmen. More vehicles could have only aggravated the issue.
"A higher number of tanks equal to the those of the allies would have been the wiser move."
Not in the slightest, the german could never match allied... or soviet production.
The germans made a rather conscious decision to go for quality>quantity, albeit still recognised, just good enough vehicles were generally the most cost effective.
even if germany had enough factories and resources to produce tanks in numbers to compete with the allies, they wouldn’t even have enough tank crews to man them
Still an excellent video. Can't wait to see this tank in Boston next month
Love these informative rundowns of tanks!
Once upon a time all Panthers left the various factories in mandatory paint scheme called ‘Hinterzug tarnung (Ambush Camou)’ between august en october ‘44. This German camou pattern was based on their experiences during battle of Bocage after D-Day. By the time this paint scheme got to the frontline it was outdated....
Need. Part. Two!!
Most enjoyable series,thank you very much.
German tankers: Our tanks are being penetrated from the side, anything we can do?
German engineers: Scheiße! We must make you a new tank!
German tankers: Why don't we put some side skirts on the tank we already have?
German engineers: Why didn't we think of that?
You Cheiftian are spot on in this video and other you have done. I love learning about this older armor. Salute to you . Anti-Dragoon missile gunner USMC outdated & I'm Retired Semper Fi
The Germans had been looking at sloping armour for their tanks, even before they came up against the T34.
I was able to see two Panthers and a Jag Panther at the Aberdeen Proving grounds in Maryland back in 1985. Wow, I was like a small kid in a toy shop. the Panther was a masterpiece and a very attractive tank.