Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: Panther. Part 2

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  • Опубликовано: 29 окт 2024
  • The long awaited part 2 of three of the interior of Panther. Gunner and commander.
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  • @pieshka4509
    @pieshka4509 7 лет назад +281

    WoT should have a Chieftan voice over setting that says "oh my god the tank is on fire" and a "that was close" or critical hit should be "We've caused a serious emotional event" and maybe a "the interfaced with the turret" for injuries.

    • @harrypoon3410
      @harrypoon3410 4 года назад +4

      The driver on the maus got hit by the turrent

    • @vincentrees4970
      @vincentrees4970 2 года назад +6

      -"We're on fire! Well we're on the Eastern Front, a little flame is good."
      -"Transmission hit, I would call this a design flaw."

    • @MAZEMIND
      @MAZEMIND 2 года назад +2

      WE NEED THIS

    • @AlexanderJustus
      @AlexanderJustus 8 месяцев назад +1

      Also, when the game starts... You need a voice asking if the tracks are properly tensioned ...

  • @_gungrave_6802
    @_gungrave_6802 8 лет назад +128

    "The Loader is well motivated to open the loader's hatch" - Cheiftain when talking about escaping during a tank fire lol

  • @acidobasico
    @acidobasico 8 лет назад +429

    "oh my god the tank is on fire"
    we want that sound in WOT

    • @critiqalerror
      @critiqalerror 8 лет назад +46

      modders get to work

    • @TrueCanad1an
      @TrueCanad1an 8 лет назад +1

      I definitely want that as a sound mod

    • @panzerfaust3607
      @panzerfaust3607 8 лет назад +3

      thats an amazing idea

    • @venator5
      @venator5 8 лет назад

      Sounds great!

    • @facilegoose9347
      @facilegoose9347 8 лет назад +52

      A round bounced: "That was a serious emotional event!" Chieftain sound mod pack pls XD

  • @holtz3943
    @holtz3943 8 лет назад +189

    After you commented on how narrow the field of view on the gunner's sight is and on the lack of secondary vision devices, it occurs to me the over-engineered azimuth ring might actually not be quite as unnecessary as first thought. Looks like the commander might be the one to tell the gunner exactly where to turn the turret to find the target, using that azimuth ring for reference. It sounds like a very Germanic (and clunky) way of doing things, though.

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  8 лет назад +64

      It is far less efficient than just saying "traverse left. Steady....on". If you still want to give a clock reading for the gunner to traverse to on his own for whatever reason, you don't need an azimuth ring to know which part of the clock scale you're currently at.

    • @matthewwaddington2777
      @matthewwaddington2777 8 лет назад

      What do you think of MRE's?

    • @zidsgf34
      @zidsgf34 7 лет назад +6

      i cant say how accurate the azimut indicator is but if the tc can give a 11.5 idication and the gunner can use that that would be far more accurate than just giving the general direction. a periscope would still be superior but at least to me it seems an experienced crew could be quite fast with this system

    • @mookie2637
      @mookie2637 6 лет назад +4

      Apologies if this is mentioned elsewhere, but, from memory, there is a lot more to that azimuth mechanism. I thought the point was that the commander could override and align the turret to wherever his cupola was looking.

    • @thomaszhang3101
      @thomaszhang3101 6 лет назад +1

      The_Chieftain will it be possible to set up a commander override in the Panther? Feel like the hunter killer will be way more efficient.

  • @MordalfusGrea
    @MordalfusGrea 8 лет назад +24

    that last bit made me smile "Its a recoil system. Good Lord."

  • @mbsb1376
    @mbsb1376 4 года назад +5

    It looks so incredibly sophisticated, oh my god. For such an old tank, it looks like it's still incredibly new.

    • @cyberleaderandy1
      @cyberleaderandy1 11 месяцев назад

      Beautifully restored but even so looks very modern

  • @waldmeistertorte
    @waldmeistertorte 8 лет назад +48

    This looks surprisingly "clean" inside, not referring to the excellent condition. But in most other tanks you showed there are running pipes, wires, racks, more racks, handles, things all along the inside of the turret (I always wondered that any kind of hit on the turret would damage the wires or pipes). I guess some of racks are removed here but beside that it looks so empty.

    • @venator5
      @venator5 5 лет назад +11

      It looks like just like that. All king of german tanks at that era looks empy compare to some allied desings. It always noted when they tested captured german tanks.

  • @gamma7897
    @gamma7897 8 лет назад +72

    Never ever stop with your sense of humour. The single biggest reason why i do not watch Richard Cutland's videos are because of the lack of any sort of amusing ramblings.

    • @hippoace
      @hippoace 8 лет назад +10

      same here. the little insights are pretty funny, especially when he gets into the tanker pov mode lol

  • @fernandoi3389
    @fernandoi3389 8 лет назад +112

    "oh my god the tank is on fire" LOL
    Can you pan around with the camera a bit more ? Thanks for the video !

    • @Cecil97
      @Cecil97 8 лет назад +1

      or use a fish eye lense

    • @ardaonen4968
      @ardaonen4968 8 лет назад +1

      yes omg I hate how they don't pan the camera around, there sense of distance without a different pov

    • @stonecold11
      @stonecold11 8 лет назад

      Or use a go pro.

  • @nitbot
    @nitbot 8 лет назад +11

    This Panther seems quite modern, it has features that the Leo 1A5 I served on has, like the swinging cupola, the mechanism is pretty similar. We also had a tzf coaxial sight, but it was only our secondary sight. We did of course have a stabilized sight on the turret roof, the tzf was mostly used to see if we were able to bear the gun on our targets in hull down positions

  • @kloppanator
    @kloppanator 8 лет назад +61

    "What the hell do those pulleys do?" XD

    • @Phordless_Cone
      @Phordless_Cone 8 лет назад +19

      Just his tone of voice when he said that, a mix of incredulity and amazement.

    • @gamma7897
      @gamma7897 8 лет назад +7

      That has to be the best line ever recorded on chieftains hatch.

  • @wlewisiii
    @wlewisiii 8 лет назад +26

    Interesting. As someone who was on M-60A3's in the 80's, the more I learn about the Panther the more I'd have rather been on a Panzer IV H if I'd been a German tanker.

    • @hippoace
      @hippoace 8 лет назад +1

      I know WOT has done a Pz IV video before, but it doesn't show much of the inside like the Chieftain does.

  • @si_vis_pacempara_bellum4906
    @si_vis_pacempara_bellum4906 6 лет назад +6

    " oh my god, the tank is on fire " 😂 my favorite segment lol

  • @milesfinch
    @milesfinch 8 лет назад +16

    Need more more more. These are among some of the finest videos on RUclips. ;-)

  • @arthurcuelho7279
    @arthurcuelho7279 Год назад +2

    Yeah I visited littlefields over many years while this panther went from a rusted hulk to something that was like it came off the production line. They did great work. RIP littlefield.

  • @catfish552
    @catfish552 7 лет назад +26

    For when you do your next German tank: The "Oh mein Gott, der Panzer brennt!"-procedure.

  • @stalkerfan86
    @stalkerfan86 8 лет назад +8

    No joke, I was looking at your channel earlier today and thought "I wonder when he's going to get next part out?" I guess you read my mind.

  • @usmcfutball
    @usmcfutball 8 лет назад +1

    Parts 1 and 2 have made the mighty Panther seem almost mortal. Thank you for all your effort in making these videos. From an 0352 anti-tank T.O.W. gunner (ret'd). :)

  • @americanpatriot2422
    @americanpatriot2422 2 года назад +1

    Outstanding video and presentation.

  • @SilentRazor1uk
    @SilentRazor1uk 8 лет назад +3

    Excellent, thanks Mr. Moran & The Littlefield Collection, I gather a lot of editing might've been involved, all's hoping Pt.3 will be up soon for this most awaited of Cat videos :)

  • @okrajoe
    @okrajoe 7 лет назад +118

    I always thought the Panther would be roomier inside.

    • @venator5
      @venator5 6 лет назад +26

      It is in fact roomier than most of the tanks in that era. Trust me only shermans and the Tiger 1 and 2 has more room than the Panther has

    • @amylongpatton
      @amylongpatton 6 лет назад +2

      Me too

    • @admiralbeez8143
      @admiralbeez8143 6 лет назад +3

      venator5 Centurion and M3 Lee/Grant offered tons of internal space.

    • @NiklasAdv
      @NiklasAdv 6 лет назад +8

      and centurions are from the ww2 era? Lee/grants was just dumbo tanks anyway!

    • @PriVateJoe7
      @PriVateJoe7 6 лет назад +2

      the centurion had its first trials in 1945, so yes.

  • @lordbyron8927
    @lordbyron8927 8 лет назад

    What a beautiful tank, was a pleasure just to see it. Thanks.

  • @brandonharvey775
    @brandonharvey775 8 лет назад +2

    Love all the video's of all the tanks you guys have done a great job. My Grandmother's brother was a Tiger 1 tank Commander of the on the Eastern Front during WW2 he didn't survive to see the end of the war.

    • @douglasfulmer5483
      @douglasfulmer5483 8 лет назад

      Ah. That is sad.
      Tiger 1 eh? Must have been a pita.

    • @AKUJIVALDO
      @AKUJIVALDO 3 года назад

      @@douglasfulmer5483 to Russians LOL

  • @nagmashot
    @nagmashot 6 лет назад +1

    seriously you change the gunner sight and show opening of the driver vision ...nice one :D

  • @douglasfulmer5483
    @douglasfulmer5483 8 лет назад

    The wait was the longest month I have ever had in my life.

  • @Soulseeker223
    @Soulseeker223 8 лет назад +2

    As you probably know they did change the commander's cupola on the panther. This was actually due to the fact that fires in the crew compartment would cause the hatch to expand and seal the crew inside. Pretty grisly

  • @Shade01982
    @Shade01982 7 лет назад +1

    Your comments about the closed hatch are really interesting to me. We were always taught SOP was to always have it closed, unless it was really necessary to have it open.

    • @beerthug
      @beerthug 5 лет назад +2

      SOP's and reality usually aren't the same

  • @alanmoffat4454
    @alanmoffat4454 2 года назад

    THAT'S VERY CLEAN IT MAKES A CHANGE VERY WELL DONE NO REPEATS .

  • @konstantinatanassov4353
    @konstantinatanassov4353 5 лет назад +2

    Note, that the Chieftain didn't knew for what the Turret Azimuth Indicator is exactly used for. But he understood this in his other (later) videos, like for Pz III; The Azimuth Indicator is used in Leopard 1 and 2 as well - for the Commander to guide the Gunner (who also has an Azimuth indicator) in a short time on the target.

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  5 лет назад

      There is a difference between the gunner’s azimuth indicator and that of the TC. The gunner needs one, the TC certainly doesn’t need one as non-specific as the one in Panther

    • @konstantinatanassov4353
      @konstantinatanassov4353 5 лет назад +1

      @@TheChieftainsHatch
      There is a reason why they did it this way - both Commander and Gunner need an indicator - for the commander to be able to lay the gunner fast and precisely on target. It isn't about the turret position itself.
      Also: The commander couldn't see the gunner's indicator from his cupola, hence the need for two.
      ruclips.net/video/zngycQmFhhQ/видео.html (7:53)
      ruclips.net/video/q3JRx4PkDYg/видео.html (9:40)

  • @williammann6198
    @williammann6198 8 лет назад +1

    Not over-engineered...AWESOME!

  • @steelscooter
    @steelscooter 8 лет назад +15

    The editor needs a talking to, for some reason the driver's visor wobbles when you change gunner sight magnification and the second half of the video is kaput :P

  • @BackUPDat
    @BackUPDat 8 лет назад

    Huh, I was inside the Panther as well. Of course, I never noticed all the technical stuff you said because all I got was an overview.
    Thanks for pointing out all the gizmos that I missed! Especially the commander's hatch.

  • @colbeausabre8842
    @colbeausabre8842 5 лет назад +2

    Two points 1) I found that 14.5mm Russian AT Rifle round to be much more effective than I thought. I thought it was useless against Panzer III's and above. But even early Panthers being vulnerable ? That was a surprise. Of course, the PTRD and PTRS (and any KPV's that made it to the war) were useful to the end of the war versus anything the Aufklarungs Abteilung ("Reccnnaisance - literally Enlightenment - Battalion". German practice reserved "Battalion" for units organic to a regiment while Abteilung was used for non-regimental formations) and against the Panzer Grenadiers halftracks. (even though most PzGren were carried by trucks - even more vulnerable. The Panzer divisions had one battalion of half-track APC's with the rest motorized and the Panzer Grenadier divisions consisted entirely of motorized troops with one battalion of either tanks or assault guns. BTW, the US Army had enough medium truck companies to motorize every infantry division (and then some) and could attach either a separate tank or tank destroyer battalion - or both - to each. In effect the US Army had 67 Panzer Grenadier Divisions and - given the right terrain - employed them as such)2) Transmission maintenance - One thing that perhaps many people don't know is the Imperial and Nazi era German Army was organized for rapid, decisive wars - see 1866 and 1870. This worked in Poland and the West in 1940. If failed in the Desert, Russia and in the West in 1944-45.Because of this Das Heer was "a mile wide and an inch deep". It didn't have the infrastructure for a sustained war and I think it's tank designs reflected this lack of attention to what the US Army calls "RAM" (Reliability, Availability, Maintainability). The odds were the vehicle would last long enough for short campaign and the ones that broke down would be shipped back to Germany over their excellent railroads for repairs at well equipped depots or even the factory

  • @ninjalanternshark1508
    @ninjalanternshark1508 2 года назад

    I love these videos. Only problem is the music in the background, but thats minor. Well done Chieftain

  • @meryatathagres1998
    @meryatathagres1998 5 лет назад +4

    I'm interested and its fascinating, but i can't continue bcs that background "music" is giving me a headache.

  • @qingyunwang3802
    @qingyunwang3802 8 лет назад +3

    IIRC the lack of a paronamic gunner sight is a major flaw French has pointed out after testing the panthers. Now I see, the gunner is pretty much blind

    • @nebfer
      @nebfer 8 лет назад

      So did the Germans it seems as the Panther Ausf F was to introduce a gunners panoramic sight, but none where finished by the time the war ended, though a few hulls where being worked on. Though this was to replace the sight through the turret front plate, though the Ausf F also was to have a range finder

  • @Jermster_91
    @Jermster_91 8 лет назад

    About time this gets uploaded.

  • @justforever96
    @justforever96 4 года назад +1

    7:50 editing mistake: when he flips the lever to switch the sight from low magnification to high, someone who was editing the video stuck in footage of the driver's direct vision hatch flipping upwards on the front glacis plate. The magnification lever doesn't do anything visible on the outside of the tank, it just switches lenses inside the optic. And the gunners sight is in the mantlet, not in the glacis plate, obviously. Someone must have gotten mixed up.
    And at 8:50 when he's talking about the foot pedals, when he is talking about the traverse rocker, the red coaxial foot trigger pedal is the most visible thing. Then he says "to the left of the rocker is the coax trigger" and the the screen starts showing a shot of the traverse rocker! The big flat textured plate is the traverse rocker. The red pedal/lever to the left of it is the coax trigger.

  • @madogthefirst
    @madogthefirst 8 лет назад +29

    I feel that there is another half of this video missing.

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  8 лет назад +30

      Part 3 will be a long a little faster than Pt 2 took.

    • @SilentRazor1uk
      @SilentRazor1uk 8 лет назад +13

      +TheChieftainWoT I think the gunners sight selection clip has been confused with (a cut down timewise of) the drivers hull vision hatch opening... sorry for pointing this out, I hope it can be be fixed at some point for future historical value.

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  8 лет назад +13

      I'll be damned, you're right. Can't be helped now, I don't think.

    • @SilentRazor1uk
      @SilentRazor1uk 8 лет назад

      Glad to help, albeit I wish for better reasons to be conducive to yoursel(f/lves)...
      Perhaps in another 3 - 6 weeks +, if you/WG/cameraperson still has backups - or its in the editing files for pt3?

    • @lombank7024
      @lombank7024 8 лет назад

      +TheChieftainWoT when will that come out

  • @creightonleerose582
    @creightonleerose582 5 месяцев назад

    As to ~Emergencia! escape methods, some of the more adventurous panzerwaffe crews/T.C's employed was the near complete removal of the Panthers (Tiger1's/Tiger II) cannon recoil guard & the panthers huge spent shell casing box (Provided ya had a bottle of top-shelf booze & knew the right PanzerWerkStatt Compaany mechaniac, one with 'spare time' for 'Needless' additional projects on his hands..;)
    -The LARGE box itself removed & modified with thin sheet steel/metal to retain the small air compressor @ the commanders footrest, the compressor providing air to blow propellant fumes clear of barrel/chamber/breech. Couple grab handles for the loader welded on the turrets inside wall, they seldom if ever fired on the move, but after hitting the 'Loaded' button, the loader would grab both handles n' suck in gut, kindve like Abrams MBT loaders do today...
    -On the T.C's/Gunners side they would cut/unbolt/remove the back end, ejecting spent shell pad on the left sides recoil guard plate, just to rear of the recoil meter located on guard plates inside face. At least in the Panthers case, keeping most, if not all of the left side plate kept the T/C's right arm & side MUCH safer. But in Tiger1 & 2's, it could be cut right behind the 'Refill BraunArk/recoil cylinder fluid' meter. Still leaving a bit of physical protection, but depending on particular tank model (Panther/T1/T2/?) such a mod seriously up the turret basket area for more rapid emergency egress for the crew, even hull positions if they face trouble up front for any reason. Theres a tank museum/Bovington "Inside the panther" vid here on YT, or maybe it was a Tiger 2?
    That tanks cannon is missing said recoil guards, it helps to demonstrate & physically show how it opens up the turret. Ive read a few accounts of crews in the heavies that did just such a modification. It may heighten danger a bit, but Im certain the practice saved more than a few lives during a burning type of situation?

  • @galban199644
    @galban199644 8 лет назад

    I have to say that "significant emotional event" is probably one of the greatest sayings of all time. I put it right up there with some of the great Winston Churchill quotes. lol

  • @HaVoC117X
    @HaVoC117X 5 лет назад +3

    The panthers TZF offers the gunner a field of view of around 24 to 27 degrees. The early Sherman's had a field of view 6 degrees and it never gets better then 14 degrees during the war. So you could say, that the Sherman gunner had a bigger need for a secondary sight.

  • @blasterofmuppets4754
    @blasterofmuppets4754 Год назад +1

    Otto Carius writes in his book "Tigers in the mud" that the german tankers did indeed prefer to have the hatch open as mutch as possible.

  • @justintimesYT
    @justintimesYT 7 лет назад +1

    That raw footage of the Panther getting hit in Cologne shows the commander getting out of the top hatch relatively quickly. Looks like he had it all the way open to begin with. Which is probably what they ended up doing most of the time.

    • @venator5
      @venator5 6 лет назад +3

      Not really. On the sovjet front they have to close the hatch relative often. The russies had a loot of foot troops. mortals, planes, etc. Even Otto Carius mentions that he had to close the hatch often for these reasons

  • @papaaaaaaa2625
    @papaaaaaaa2625 8 месяцев назад

    I think the Azimuth Indicator is a benefit under Battle Conditions, maybe under darker conditions. The commander is able to communicate the positions without taking his eyes off the target.
    A look down means you could loose sight of a target under less ideal conditions.

  • @Totas-ej7pu
    @Totas-ej7pu 6 лет назад

    Hi Chieftain, your assumption of the "open Hatch" philosophies of german Tank commanders is absolutely correct.
    Otto Carius wrote in his book this was also a reason for the big success against the Russian Tankers on the eastern Front, who closed their hatch when battle started and opened it again only if battle was over. If they were still able to do so ...
    He wrote it was a sign of a good commander to open the hatch from time to time also during battle , or keep it open as often as possible to get an overview and also to hear what happens around, which is absolutely impossible when the Hatch is closed. Especially this was necessary to discover PAKs which were good camouflaged nearly invisible for a Tanker.
    But when he looks around with a open hatch he could see also the flash of the shot out of the corner of the eyes.
    Btw. to be fair to the russian Tankers there was obviously an order to keep the Hatch closed and, it´s difficult to believe, there are reports from german side they found shot russian Tanks were the Hatch was welded !

    • @wbertie2604
      @wbertie2604 6 лет назад +1

      The way the hatches on the early T-34s opened the commander would be very exposed if he wanted to see forward, virtually out of the tank, which might explain things.

  • @junsengjs
    @junsengjs 8 лет назад +1

    The TC hatch is rather interesting though. The open-but-still-protected part of it is pretty nice.

    • @hippoace
      @hippoace 8 лет назад

      i would imagine the russians would do away with the screws and make a push pull handle with a latch thingy.

    • @junsengjs
      @junsengjs 8 лет назад +1

      +hippoace Yeah, the mechanism that raises the hatch could be simplified.

    • @wbertie2604
      @wbertie2604 6 лет назад +2

      You'd want the mechanism to be solid so you don't have 100kg of hatch falling on your head when going cross country.

  • @stephenwarhurst6615
    @stephenwarhurst6615 8 лет назад

    When you said the oh! bugger the tank is on FIRE!
    Made me think of the Pershing vs Panther Cologne war film footage.
    Maybe that is why that Panther's Commander didn't make it.

    • @DavidPT40
      @DavidPT40 8 лет назад +2

      He did make it. He is the first one out. In fact, he told his daughter after the war the reason he didn't immediately order his gunner to fire on the M-26 is because he didn't recognize the tank to be an enemy tank.

  • @Wayoutthere
    @Wayoutthere 8 лет назад +17

    For crying out loud, please pan the camera around the inside, we want to SEE things..

    • @johnd2058
      @johnd2058 6 лет назад

      No thanks, moving shots make me pukey.

  • @patrickmcallister5999
    @patrickmcallister5999 8 лет назад +1

    Another great video cant wait for a T95 vid someday

  • @JesusvonNazaret
    @JesusvonNazaret 8 лет назад +7

    Commanders and Gunners azimuth indicator might be used in combination for faster aim with the narrow field of view

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  8 лет назад +7

      Honestly, I can't think of how it would decrease the time by any particular amount. The fact that they were willing to remove out without changing the gunners optics also indicates the feature to be rather non-critical

    • @John_F16
      @John_F16 8 лет назад

      The panther has no commander turret control like the Tiger I ??

    • @JesusvonNazaret
      @JesusvonNazaret 8 лет назад +2

      TheChieftainWoT long text following: first of all, I've never been inside a Panther, so I can just guess from what I saw in your video.
      I think the commanders indicator is assembled strangely with the readout being behind his right shoulder, same as the gunners (you mentioned it needs calibration), it would be logical to have 12 o clock straight in front of you when the turret faces into the same forward direction as the hull.
      In modern tanks the commander has the ability to preselect the next target and/or engage it if the gunner is busy. With the azimuth indicator available for both, commander and gunner, but turret control only for the gunner and the very limited view of the gunner, the commander can spot the next target and call out it's position quick and precise while the gunner is still engaging another target. I think that's way faster than just "Left, a bit more, further, further,... got it"
      There may be many reasosns why they didn't assemble it on some tanks and came back to it later on again, they were in war and Germany had pretty significant resource problems. For example in St.Valentin they produced 2845 Panzer IV during 1944, despite heavy bombing from allied forces. One month without a nice to have but not essential feature on a tank will cause a significant number of tanks without this feature. They couldn't just build along in a nice environment like Americans did in their Sherman factories. Therefor I argue that a missing feature on a German tank is no indication of it being overengineered or obsolete, most likely it just wasn't available at the time due to war reasons and they had to send the tanks to the front as soon as they were able to shoot and drive.

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  8 лет назад +1

      That's well and good, but the point is that for a rough approximation, the commander doesn't normally need to look to an azimuth indicator in order to tell his gunner what direction on the clock he needs to scan. I seemed to do quite well without an azimuth indicator. My gunner had one, not that he needed to refer to it often either. It really is very simple to figure out what direction your turret is facing, either by reference to the moving ground, or by looking at your feet and comparing with the hull. The advantage to such a device for the TC is limited.

    • @JesusvonNazaret
      @JesusvonNazaret 8 лет назад +1

      TheChieftainWoT well, of course it's not essencial and it's a drill and experience thing, but calling out 5:15 you see above your periscope and cranking to said value is definitely helping for new crews and they were most likely newly weds in there with an average battle surviveability of just a few minutes for tanks during WW2
      the gun seems to be unstabilized, so shooting while on the move is no reliable option and the buttocks feeling for direction is missing while stationary, the indicator is right in front of your face, to see the hull below your feet you need to look down, where your view is blocked by the gunner and the recoil guard

  • @JesusvonNazaret
    @JesusvonNazaret 8 лет назад

    for penetration values with the Panzergranate 39 you can look up "Pantherfibel", values for different vehicles are at the ond of the document

  • @RasEli03
    @RasEli03 6 лет назад +7

    7:50 ..... no. ... Nice job editor

  • @taitmcgregor635
    @taitmcgregor635 8 лет назад

    KEEP EM COMING CHEERS!!!

  • @Lykyk
    @Lykyk Год назад

    2:00
    I assume the degree indicator is there to function as a simple hunter-killer-system.
    If the commander spots something he can call out 3 numbers, the gunner can aim at whatever that is and in the meantime the commander keeps commanding.

  • @garyd.colburn9120
    @garyd.colburn9120 8 лет назад

    Great ,cant wait for the next one

  • @DrLoverLover
    @DrLoverLover 6 лет назад +3

    Why is there music playing when he's talking????

  • @skylareidsness7675
    @skylareidsness7675 6 лет назад

    The commander always goes down with his tank haha

  • @Anlushac11
    @Anlushac11 8 лет назад +1

    Tried looking again at German war films and training films of Panthers it looks like most Commanders just kept hatch in overhead position and not locked down. As for cranking up the hatch was surprised there was not a spring to push hatch up when released so all Commander had to do was unlatch and rotate with spring doing the raising.
    Looking at other German WW2 tanks and most do not seem to have a periscope for Gunner so this does not seem to be just a Panther thing.
    I imagine a trained loader would have worked out a way to reload rounds quickly.

  • @joelpayne255
    @joelpayne255 8 лет назад +5

    When might we get a Sherman review?Or is there already one out there somewhere?Thanks and love all of these videos man.

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  8 лет назад +14

      Filmed, but not yet released

    • @J0xxe
      @J0xxe 8 лет назад

      Regular M4 or firefly :) ? Would be cool to see both though. Keep it up, great videos!

    • @f86sabreman
      @f86sabreman 8 лет назад +1

      you don't know how excited I am to hear that lol

    • @AleczaKolypsov
      @AleczaKolypsov 8 лет назад

      where did you film the sherman? i was inside one at the WW2 Museum in New Orleans.

  • @psychocomytic9778
    @psychocomytic9778 8 лет назад +1

    i just happened to think, the tortoise at bovington is in good condition isn't it? that might be a fun one, easy to film, pretty rare, and a definite favourite among the players.

  • @isuzu6851
    @isuzu6851 8 лет назад +2

    Chieftain, do you think you will be able to do a inside the hatch on a Japanese tank in the future?

  • @derelict7222
    @derelict7222 8 лет назад +152

    Please for the love of god, tell the camera man to turn left and right a little bit! If you can't do a 360 look, fine! But don't just stare at your head with literally no view what so ever of the rest of the inside. You literally said, "You have a great view of a hull from here" and we have zero clue what that looks like. Many people, like myself, will never have the opportunity to be inside ANY tank, let alone that Panther. Please, please, please PLEASE show it off a bit better, or get a new camera man. Also just look at you describing the leg room. Unless you're using a camera from the 1980's you could easily move it over the gun shield and show us what you're talking about! You know what, I had a camera from the 80's, and you still could maneuver it around in there.

    • @ardaonen4968
      @ardaonen4968 8 лет назад +14

      yes I'm SO glad I'm not the only person who thinks this

    • @digimemvideos
      @digimemvideos 8 лет назад +13

      If you have never shot inside a tank then you have no idea how hard it can be to pan, or move the camera at all depending on the tank, or where you are positioned to get the shot with the talent.
      Sometimes its just physically impossible to move the camera anywhere, even with the relatively compact cameras, or a DSLR. Usually the only option available is to shoot the PTC with the talent inside the tank & then shoot B-Roll of as much as possible later & edit it in where relevant.
      Sometimes you are laying down getting half impaled by all the nice "smooth" protrusions in the tank & holding the camera with just a few fingers while sweating like an Ebola victim in the African Sun...
      There is often barely enough room to scratch yourself, let alone move the camera around.
      After watching all the movies where it looks like there is as much room inside the average tank as a family living room, with all the groovy camera moves and whip pans....the reality is very much the exact opposite :(

    • @derelict7222
      @derelict7222 8 лет назад +6

      Vince Sofia I've been inside tanks. The smallest was a Hetzer. It's not that hard. Actually it's not hard at all. Have you seen modern cameras? Do you realize this camera man is not moving even a centimeter. How can you possibly defend that? The camera is literally fixed on the guys face, which is frankly the least interesting focus they could possibly find in that entire building.

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  8 лет назад +22

      +Derelict Vince is well qualified to talk about how to film this show. He was my cameraman for a couple of them! (Not this one)

    • @digimemvideos
      @digimemvideos 8 лет назад +9

      Oh, I dont know...I am not that way inclined, but the ol Nick isnt the worst thing to look at!
      Yep, seen the odd modern camera or two in my time...they fit great in a tank when fitted with a radio mic receiver, 12mm lens & back-up camera mic ect :|
      There are times you can re-frame the shot on the fly to follow what is being referenced in the PTC, and then there are times its absolutely impossible...this may well have been one of those times, so yes I feel I can defend the guy who was shooting this.
      Next one I shoot I will make sure I bang the camera around heaps on all the nice smooth n soft bits n pieces so we gone some great clunky pans & tilts regardless of obstructions :(

  • @cyberleaderandy1
    @cyberleaderandy1 11 месяцев назад

    Im confused. When the chieftain moves the sight in the gunners postion it shows an outside view. Surely this is the drivers visor moving ( front headlight and zimerite in view) and not a gunnery sight?

  • @damianousley8833
    @damianousley8833 Год назад

    It is interesting to see that in a bail out situation the crew of a panther would most likely die in the burning tank. "Panther the kraut cooker". Only one or two crew would be saved if the tank brewed up quickly.

  • @SlowHomeLess
    @SlowHomeLess 6 лет назад +4

    Good review but please remove that background music...

  • @Handle423
    @Handle423 8 лет назад +1

    YES Part 2

  • @DudeInWalmart
    @DudeInWalmart 8 лет назад +5

    i like to hear you battle experience with the m1 Abrams. In your opinion is it the best tank around?

    • @TrueCanad1an
      @TrueCanad1an 8 лет назад +1

      He has a great big soft spot in his heart for the Sherman FireFly

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  8 лет назад +17

      It's serviceable. It's also over thirty years old, and upgraded only to the extent that Congress has budgeted for it. Fortunately, it was an outstanding design to begin with, so it's aged well enough.

    • @douglasfulmer5483
      @douglasfulmer5483 8 лет назад

      No he hates the Firefly.

    • @TrueCanad1an
      @TrueCanad1an 8 лет назад

      Douglas Fulmer It was a joke

    • @douglasfulmer5483
      @douglasfulmer5483 8 лет назад

      TrueCanad1an :D

  • @justforever96
    @justforever96 3 года назад

    The only time I would close the upper hatches on a tank (besides to protect from inclement weather) is if I was under artillery or mortar fire, if I was in an urban combat scenario, or if I was in a close-in fight with enemy infantry. There is not much danger except from lucky shots in any other situation, almost all incoming fire is going to be horizontal. Unless a airburst goes off overhead, or a enemy in a second story tosses a grenade or fires a burst from overhead, or a gang of troops swarms over the tank (or gets a lucky grenade toss from alongside), there isnt much danger of anything coming down through the hatch.

  • @nathanaelgodson3994
    @nathanaelgodson3994 4 года назад

    I can see you saying "Oh my god the tank is on fire" the exact same way in a real scenario xD

  • @tonyde6423
    @tonyde6423 8 лет назад +1

    Thats amazing so in that collection they all have functioning guns if wanted by owner/restorer and allowed by state laws. Thats pretty scary ,hope the shells are locked up in the wardrobe. Thanks

  • @Liamv4696
    @Liamv4696 6 лет назад +2

    7:55
    What does that hull viewport have to do with the gunners sight?

    • @beerthug
      @beerthug 5 лет назад

      Nothing at all, it's a faulty editing spot. Nice to see someone else caught it

  • @justforever96
    @justforever96 4 года назад

    Moran kind of looks like he knows the cameraman should be panning. He almost looks like he's silently trying to prompt him to move the camera off of him, and thinking "Oh, great, I should have told him what to do before this". He probably didn't want to redo the whole scene again. Although seems like it wouldn't have been that difficult to do. It just seems like that, the way he pauses a little, and then is like 'the footrest...I'm looking at it now (hint, hint!)" and kind of nods his head forward, like "pan the camera, dude! C'mon!" Probably imagining it.

  • @KapiteinKrentebol
    @KapiteinKrentebol 7 лет назад

    Wathing this I wondered, tankinteriors are electrically lit, won't that be visible outside through the periscopes?

  • @justforever96
    @justforever96 4 года назад

    If the sight is really so narrow, then I agree with those who say the azmiuth indicator was necessary. Just saying "look to 1 oclock" isn't good enough when seconds count, you need to be able to give exact an exact degrees bearing, so he came directly in line with the target. They probably have some roughly equivalent system for directing the elevation required (when necessary). I guess in German doctrine, the only one who needed to know what -was really going on was the commander: the gunner's job was merely to operate the gun, and make the shells go onto the target the commander wanted. If the commander had a system of putting the gunner directly onto his desired target (like the azimuth indicator...) the figured there was no need for him to see anything else. In fact, it might be a boon, since it reduces the chance of the gunner getting mixed up and mistaking his targets when he can see muliple tanks in his viewfinder, and/or starts getting his own ideas about the priorities.

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  4 года назад

      Then the problem is that while the gunner's azimuth indicator has a level of refinement (eg degrees), the TC's indicator does not.

  • @paulhatch7463
    @paulhatch7463 6 лет назад

    Thanks for the excellent lecture and tour of my favorite. How amazing that Jacques Littlefield was compelled to restore this incredible specimen to factory new condition. I so appreciate it. One question: Why is it that when the gunners sight is changed from high magnification to low magnification, the shot changes from: interior facing gunner. To: exterior shot, front glacis plate, drivers vision port opening?

  • @opperbuil
    @opperbuil 7 лет назад

    Could the commander's Azimuth ring be needed/required to get the gunner nearly exact on target? Since the gunner has so little view of the outside world, the commander's instructions would need to be spot on to get a target into the gunner's sight.

  • @andrewcox4386
    @andrewcox4386 8 лет назад

    Are you planning any more films of your lectures or another Think Tank event? Keep going back and watching those :-D
    Even if not, the channel's fantastic!!!

  • @brucemacallan6831
    @brucemacallan6831 6 лет назад

    Totally agree about the commanders hatch. That would never have been closed in combat. (I'm ex Scots DG)

  • @TrueCanad1an
    @TrueCanad1an 8 лет назад +23

    By the time the Germans built that azimuth indicator the Americans built 3 Sherman's already.
    Great video Chief.

    • @douglasfulmer5483
      @douglasfulmer5483 8 лет назад +6

      You might not be that far off.

    • @UFCMania155
      @UFCMania155 6 лет назад +8

      Ok lol. Except the Panther could take out those 3 shermans....plus another 5

    • @1993Crag
      @1993Crag 6 лет назад +10

      UFCMania155 I think you mean the other way around; i.imgur.com/EVKUetf.jpg

    • @GlowingSpamraam
      @GlowingSpamraam 6 лет назад +1

      +Crag_r yeah no that is a single panther getting shot in the side by a sherman the sherman was mostly helpless against it frontaly
      the tiger kill stated is not from a 75 and probably some other tank that shot it since the 75 cant pen it at litteraly 2 meters without apcr

    • @rhodelganaden5444
      @rhodelganaden5444 6 лет назад +2

      Wehrbs above

  • @jeffturnbull9661
    @jeffturnbull9661 Год назад

    I counted off approximately 10 critical seconds just to get the TC's hatch open, much less him climbing out

  • @gings4ever
    @gings4ever 8 лет назад

    man the commander looks like he has an EVEN BIGGER responsibility now if he's the one directing the gunner to point the gun to this azimuth or even the decision of buttoning up tight as a tick or not.

  • @wazza33racer
    @wazza33racer 6 лет назад

    Otto Carius in his recollections, had the hatch opened on his Tiger 90% of the time. He said that the soviets being buttoned up in their tanks most of the time got them killed.

  • @64maxpower
    @64maxpower 4 года назад

    You are very knowledgeable and have a pleasant cadence to your speech. For me I find the music a little too loud. I'm trying to pay attention to what you are saying

  • @RandomGuy-can81
    @RandomGuy-can81 8 лет назад +6

    What is the mentality behind having such a long period of time between episodes of the same tank being uploaded?

  • @skypiratez
    @skypiratez 5 лет назад +3

    Love the content but I find the background music distracting...

  • @MilitantOldLady
    @MilitantOldLady 8 лет назад

    I've been waiting for this since you guys started doing these videos.
    This is my absolute favorite tank ever!

  • @BrontoScorpio
    @BrontoScorpio 8 лет назад

    at 9:58/9:59 what are those circular holes in that box object behind the elevation control?
    It looks like a ready rack but that looks like the most awkward place possible for the loader to have to reach for ammo.

    • @BrontoScorpio
      @BrontoScorpio 8 лет назад

      nevermind, at 10:05 you can see it again and it seems to be in the hull, I thought it was inside the turret under the gun at first.

  • @DirtyHairy1
    @DirtyHairy1 5 лет назад +1

    I would like to see the screwdriver for the top hatch bolts

  • @Omen_Seven
    @Omen_Seven 8 лет назад

    Oh, and I'm still waiting on you to head to Fort Benning to do the T29 and T28 GMC. Make it happen, Major! :p

    • @peterson7082
      @peterson7082 8 лет назад

      T28 is a Heavy Tank, T95 is the GMC designation.

  • @justforever96
    @justforever96 4 года назад +1

    Wait, what? The rated it would penetrate an M4 at 100 yds, and a Churchill at 1,700 meters? That is a huge difference. Even aside from the fact that, according to wiki, the Churchill had thicker frontal armor than a Tiger I, how can you explain such a massive discrepancy between two tanks which should be in the same ballpark? Are you sure that that's not supposed to be 1,700 FEET or something?

  • @Br1cht
    @Br1cht Год назад

    The Wheadon Buffy humor does get old fast, Boomerific;)

  • @AbbreviatedReviews
    @AbbreviatedReviews 8 лет назад +11

    Way to break the Panther.

  • @Gjldo
    @Gjldo 8 лет назад

    how good is the overall view for the commander compared to lets say a sherman and t34? that, other than the vision slits, also had revolving periscopes

  • @MsPysoul
    @MsPysoul 8 лет назад +2

    So this tank is fully usable? With rotating turret and stuff?

  • @tonyde6423
    @tonyde6423 8 лет назад

    Hi just wondering if a factory fresh Panther tank in US is allowed to have a fully functioning main gun cheers

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  8 лет назад +1

      That depends on the local laws. In some States it is permitted, with the appropriate paperwork from both the State and the ATF.

  • @yanuchiuchiha2210
    @yanuchiuchiha2210 7 лет назад

    the triangles and the space between them (the sistem) is called the stritch system :P

  • @kldaly1474
    @kldaly1474 6 лет назад

    i've always loved the panther, but i never knew what a pain it must've been to fight in...how can you hit anything??

  • @mr.contentlyso6485
    @mr.contentlyso6485 6 лет назад

    Oh bugger... *the tank's on fire*

  • @wikikomoto
    @wikikomoto 8 лет назад +3

    no forward or loader positions? will there be another video?

    • @TheChieftainsHatch
      @TheChieftainsHatch  8 лет назад +4

      There will

    • @wikikomoto
      @wikikomoto 8 лет назад

      since you're here, i have a direct question for you. what is the long tube on the side of the panther? i thought it was a snorkel, but i dont see anywhere to mount it?

    • @SilentRazor1uk
      @SilentRazor1uk 8 лет назад

      Could it be for say gun cleaning rods or their related rod parts, if not the snorkel systems..

    • @wikikomoto
      @wikikomoto 8 лет назад +1

      i believe the cleaning rod is a single piece of wood thats split into multiple parts and split between multiple tanks. much like the cleaning rod on a kar98k. where you need 4 rifles to complete one full rod

    • @SilentRazor1uk
      @SilentRazor1uk 8 лет назад

      wikikomoto True, screw together rods and cleaner head, much like 'as modelled' on the sides of the WoT Tiger & Tora..