How to record EXTREME VOCALS | SpectreSoundStudios TUTORIAL
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- How to record EXTREME VOCALS
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Today we check out the joy known as recording "extreme" vocals
Now personally, I prefer singers., but hey, I get it, everybody is trying to out evil each other, and this vocal style is very popular…. I’ve certainly recorded enough bands doing it.
From an engineering standpoint, this style is very simple. Throw up an SM7 onto a stand, put up a pop filter, get your levels on your mic pre, (make sure the vocalist is at his proper level) and run it into a compressor. Hit record and away you go. And really, that’s all there is to it.
The difficulty with recording this style comes from the vocalist.
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cuppers should learn to cup their necks and hold it during the entire performance for even more brutal sound
Wow, how funny...
sorry my post upset you :(
I thought it was good. Besides, most of these guys are gonna step up to the mic and choke anyways.
I laughed out loud. Thanks!
@@NotVerySkilledBass definitely funny
A classic bass joke from a bass player
A boy came home from his first bass lesson. His dad asked him how it went. "Today we learned the E string."
The boy came home from his second lesson and dad asked him how it went. "Today we learned the A string."
The boy came home from his third lesson. Dad asked, "So did you learn the D string today?"
"Nope. Today I had a gig."
Tits
Balls
Coochie
Pepperidge farm remembers
As a bass palyer, i laugh and cry at the same time
Glenn: I'll teach you how to record screams!
Glenn: still lecturing mic cuppers 7 minutes in
You actually help the band in a lot of ways... most audio Engineers will just record and take the money.. but if you see them doing something wrong because they were never taught the right way you'll teach them.. Ur a good person
As long as they pay by the hour, dude
... "It's dead simple," *grabs 400 dollar mic* lol
Great video. Been waiting for this actually.
You forgot about the cloudlifter, deesser, outboard compressor and outboard EQ ;) :P
@@SyntheticFuture he mentioned none of those things in this video lol. Just the mic and the vocalist. And that's been my experience so far, you shouldnt need nearly that much eq.
@@FesteringGhoul it's a Shure SM7B, there's a cloudlifter. He actually showed the outboard compressor as well. Trust me, there's more than just a mic straight into the interface ;)
@@SyntheticFuture well he must have had some reasoning he didnt even mention it in the video. If it deserved emphasis, I'd imagine he would have done so. All the eq is more of an afterthought. He was emphasizing the importance of the vocalist so much, I doubt he just forgot to mention all the EQ-ing ;)
@@davidkingmedia ok
Love your honesty and how direct you are .. you're sarcasm and how you express yourself .. definitely the most enjoyable yet educational experience.. every time
His face says he’s bald, but his hair says he’s young
Dont hate lol we all get older 😂
I used a 5 track technique to record them. You have to be extremely tight with your performance because it's easy to tell if you mess up. I just had one main track, (whichever was the best performance) at full volume dead center. Then I took two more tracks at half volume panned 100% left and right to make it sound more full. Next I did a track where I whispered the vocals very quietly to accent hard consonants, sounds like "s" or "sh," and overall pronunciation. Finally I did the same thing, but with a talking track. You'll usually do the talking track in as low a voice and broken a voice as you can. It's easiest to do your talking tracks last so that your voice already sounds hoarse. That gave some mids, low end, and resonance. You have to be careful with the talk and whisper tracks because too much will sound shitty. It should be one of those things that you can't really hear, but it's there.
A big thing you forgot to mention about death metal vocals, is distance from the mic. A lot of us try to kiss the mic the whole time but that's a bad idea. Mids should be about a fist's length from the pop filter. Gutterals and lows you should almost touch the filter. ("Almost" being an important word here.) Then high screams should be far back. I never measured how far back because I'd usually just throw my head back.
The reason for this is, like you've said in your previous videos, the closer you are to your mic, the more low end there is. Gutterals are usually quieter than mid screams so you can move closer to the mic without making it clip and also you'll add a bit of beef to it too. Highs are usually loud as fuck so if you don't back off you'll be screwed regardless of tone.
This is the best video on vocals i have ever watched, and i have watched a lot. Thank you for this. Sparked a lot of ideas in my head. It would be very interesting to hear you analyse Peter’s vocals from type o negative, and Marilyn Manson. I think you could identify a lot of their secrets that has not yet been uncovered. You are a master at your craft, subscribed!
Several months ago a friend invited me to a show his band was playing. All the bands were great, and at the end the headlining band did a vocal thing between their singer and the singer from an earlier band.
The headliner didn't cup his mic, the other guy did. The difference was incredible and immediately noticeable. The guy cupping his mic sounded small and thin and barely audible compared to the other guy. Both were very good singers so it was a great example of exactly what you've been talking about all these years.
Thanks for the constant brutal honesty! Stay metal and fuck you Glenn!
If you want an evil brutal voice, get a parrot to sing, those birds are brutal af.
Fart Vader Look up Hatebeak. Nuff said.
AlexDoesGaming that's precisely why i made this comment lol
Very true... Check out HATEBEAK, its a death metal band with a parret bird as a lead vocalist, Brutal AF!
Obsidian s i know them, that's why i made the comment 😂😂😂
There is actually a band that does that... Search for Number Of The Beak
I have so much respect for you, dude. You’re passionate and you’re fair. You know what you’re talking about and I feel like I can trust you. Thank you for making these videos. You’re putting things into perspective for the next generation of audio engineers
Two words: Aston Element.
I've tried this mic with EVERY type of singer and I've yet to get a bad sound out of it. Depending on singer and what sound I'm after, the furthest I've gotten away from the mic was about two feet. I haven't got a single plosive yet and I've recorded 9 singers for this project I'm working on.
The coolest thing I discoverd was when I recorded two female singers in a rehearsal room that had a loud ventilation at the other end of it. So I put a reflection filter in front of it and when I listened to the takes, I could barely hear the ventilation on the other side of the room.
And that's another thing, I barely need to use any effects other than a compressor to get good sound out of it when I'm mixing.
Try it out. I'm telling you. You won't be disappointed. It's fantastic.
I came across The Zen DVD a few years back after reading an article about how Randy Blythe got wicked deep full vocals when screaming. The DVD is worth every penny for any person who sings in a metal band, both lead and backup alike. Heck, it's even good practice for anyone who sings anything else (minus the screaming). Good advice as always Glenn, Thanks!
Sometimes, with all the memes and the trash-talk, I forget why I fucking love your videos. I should have watched your videos instead of dropping out of sound engeneering school.
I regret none of the parties tho.
Breathing technique is one of the best to work on. It'll save you so much time. Especially if you've been out of the game for a bit, knowing how to breathe can be a game changer.
zen of screaming definitely helped me with power... strangely I only seem to go full power in a live setting (possibly due to the size of my recording space/older neighbours who i actually get on with) but damn when i'm sound checking i've scared a few sound guys with how loud i can get (thanks to the zen of screaming haha).
recorded a few cuppers myself and found getting them to put their hands behind their backs tended to help them to learn to stop cupping the mic
Your digs at bad recording habits are A+ gave me a good ol giggle
Thanks for your wisdom Glenn! It's amazing how many vocalists get stuck with bad habits and convince themselves it sounds great when it sounds terrible, then proceed to assure you that you just don't understand what sound/style they're going for (excuses, excuses...). The greatest musicians are humble and always strive for improvement.
I'm glad that I recently invested in a SM7b just to record better quality demos for my band, looking forward to more of this series for sure. Thanks Glenn!
I think this channel has the single greatest theme song of all time.
Easiest way to avoid problems with the mic: don't even fucking touch it
Glenn you’re killing it on that tortured saint mix! Snare is sick, love the toms and the guitars are nice and scooped but don’t hurt my ears!
Holy sh1t... this is getting shown to all the vocalist that come through. I couldn’t have said it better. You are the man as always!!! Killer video.
I love how level headed you are during this video.
Thank you for sharing this knowledge.
My vocalist brought his girlfriend to record his tracks and he showed her this cool cup the technique
What a legend 😂
He needed two girls to properly execute that technique
How to record extreme vocals.
Cup the Mike and Make sure the Bass player is blamed for the vocals.
You spell like a bass player...
Hey Glenn, first I want to thank you. You've given me the courage and guidance to open my own studio. I think that there is a psychological reason why so many of our guys cup the mic. I had it happen last week. I stopped the session and ask the guy why he did it. Simply stated the guy said" I don't know, I see people doing it live and it looks cool". This seemed to be the only reasoning behind his choice to cup the mic. Through some comparisons ( like you suggested in this video) using his method and not cupping, I was able to show him the difference and he stopped cupping.The proof was in the takes!
I always try to help artists prepare for sessions by making the customary and usual suggestions, but I am finding out that there is a psychological approach to preparation that is largely not being utilized. I have an advanced background in behavioral health. I know not everyone has advanced degrees in psychology, but spending that extra time to address some of the artists anxieties and apprehensions has paid off, not only for them, but for my bottom line as I have more repeat business. any suggestions or thoughts?
Thanks again for the content and guidance!
Nathan
LAB Audio Studios
It's the same reason guitar amp "heads" are sitting on the cabinets, it looks cool, or there was no room for them elsewhere. Most reliability issues with early svt bass amps was caused by the vibrations rattling them apart. also, who says the classic shape of a classic dynamic mic is perfected, or even good?
The “How to Record...” tutorials are awesome! I would be super interested in seeing similar videos but on how to mix/master said instrument tracks once you’ve recorded them.
Hey Glenn, Did some vocal recording last night "rock/metal style heavy vocals & singing" using a AKG C214. Used the neve 1073 preamp into LA2A on an UA Apollo. Couldn't be happier with the tracking sound. crisp & clear. Vocalist said "I've never heard myself sound so good". Interested in seeing his reaction once he hears the mix :). Thanks for everything you do. Love the channel.
Thanks for plugging Melissa Cross!
I'm using this as a crash course before recording myself this weekend! Wish me luck! Unrelated, hope to catch you and Alex and Marcos this year at NAMM; hope all is well Glenn!
Zen of screaming is a MUST HAVE. amazing exercises!
wtf glen, i was trying to learn and i got punched in the face!
Good!
PS Can I turn the laser pointer off now ? I'd like to lay some bass down
Oh my god I lost it!😂
Dude I'm saying. I'm trying to learn how to record vocals, guitar, bass, and program drums and I got punched too
Your videos are really informative. I just recently as of a few days ago as of the typing of his comment got a much better microphone for my computer to use to record music since I at present do all of my own recording at home. I've been searching on RUclips since getting the mic on different things that would help me and making sure I recorded good vocals and what not and you are videos including this one have a really been helpful so I feel like I'll be able to get some really good music recorded and done with this new band I'm starting. Thank you for the videos and you're doing a fantastic job with making sure that everything is understandable and that's coming from a guy who has high functioning autism and needs things to be really explained and broken down. Keep up the good work!
Props to glen for not making this video over 10 minutes. When it was only 2 seconds short.
Thats how you know he is a great youtuber.
Truly great recommendation with Melissa Cross's vocal instruction. It really teaches how to use your sound without absolutely destroying your voice. Kudos.
I should probably brush up on it myself
The SM7 comes with a bigger windscreen for close-talk or broadcast applications. It works really well for the "hold the mic" technique with the SM7.
Love the everybody is trying to out evil each other line good stuff man
Kyle jackson to me Halford is the most evil sounding singer. I mean listen Painkiller or the stuff from Fight. Pure evil! \m/
Though the thing about about evil couldn't be any more further for truth.
I'll go with Chuck Schuldiner a.k.a "Evil Chuck".
Jens Kidman takes the cake for me
YES I’m heavily anticipating the mixing tutorial. Lord knows that a track on the SM7 needs to be EQ’d right out the bat, I just struggle to find the sweet spot with screaming vocals
In all honesty, got some really awesome results in the past by putting the Afro on a behringer b2 pro, and letting the vocalist scream like he would live. Double track3d low and high screams and they were incredible when blended
I love the sm7b. I found without the foam and keeping the pop filter adds more presence and fixes the mids somehow
Great engineering/acoustical breakdown of why cupping the mic is dumb. Science > preference
Glenn, your channel is so unique in the way it teaches people about recording and stuff, keep up the awesome work
So, speaking of vocals.
last night I went to a show which the singer didn't play guitar, so I expected mic cupping and it happened throughout the show, they took a 5 minute break and I went to the singer and told him "listen the vocals are really muffled in the left side of the saloon, I'm sure if you don't cup it, It'll get better." He agreed and appreciated the comment and everything.
Right after the fucking break which was like 5 minutes after I told him not to do that. He started cupping the mic again!!!!!
after the show I met him again and he was like "did the sound get any better?"
and I was like "you were still cupping it!"
the reply I got made me have total faith in ou Glenn, he said "well, that's just my style, then"
Seriously, if you ever announce a religion, I'll be the very first one to follow you
The LowEnder cuppers are cuppers, put a stronger compression ratio and add a 2db boost at around 2k, evens out the 'finger filter' making it easier to work with
Oh, so Tortured Saint came into your studio again? Cool. I'll definitely listen to the end result once it comes out.
I've been recording screams and growls since 2011 exclusively with condensers. They're a little more sensitive to placement but they work extremely well once you get them dialed
Hey Glen.
Huge fan of the Chanel.
As a bass player myself I agree that a lot of bass players need to step there game up.
My question to you is do you think that drum samples are making drummers life's harder.
For example a band goes into a studio and record using extremely technical drum sample, using a huge (possibly unnecessarily big) drum kit with many rack toms and symbols, and blisteringly fast double kick beats. The bands drummer (actual living human being) has a simple kit, like with two rack toms and a simple symbol arrangement needs to buy extra kit, and above all need to learn parts that are at that time out of their skill level.
Cheers Glen and looking forward to future videos.
Wishing you all the best for the future.
With extreme cuppers you could introduce a second mic. Give them a hand held dynamic and put a good condenser in safe distance behind it. track both, trash the cupped dynamic track and have some nicely recorded vocals from the condenser...
KrautDrive What if they cup both mics?
AutogolazzoJr Make them suffer. It‘s metal, after all...
i do both , my main upfront vocal track is the condenser with pop filter but second layered track is a 58 cupped entirely and sometimes add a 3rd vox track with a one hand cupped 57 for my layered high screams.....but cupped mics are only ever extra layering tracks
I love death metal and even some deathcore, but I love the "out evil" each other line and agree on all points lol
Last year had a vocalist new to recording who wanted to try holding my SM7B so he could move around, but he was popping. I put it on a mic boom I used to use onstage Freddy Mercury style when I was the singer in a band, and attached the pop filter. It worked really well but ultimately he decided to learn how to record with a stationary mic because his performance holding the mic on the boom made him perform too wild like he often did onstage, and it turned out way better.
Lately I’ve been recording vocals in my studio with an SH55 and a pop filter. Crank the input preamps to juuust before the peaking point then compressing the hell out of dry signal, and it just works. Also the SH55 is very difficult to cup, so I never have to worry about that.
Useful stuff as always, thank you! Need to pick up Zen of screaming at some point.
It's really the best!
its helped a lot just stick with the practices and warm ups
It's good for singing, too!
Fry screaming is the shit of you're hitting the road doing 20 shows a month, but it takes forever to master and it has waaay less impact. It took me more than a year to make it kinda second nature and another few months to make it sound somewhat brutal. also, when I stopped practicing frequently, i lost it all so fast!! way too counter intuitive, unfortunately
Thax you a lot to take your time and explain it in a simple way. I admire you. That's why I'm following my dream to become a mixer engineer.
I recorded the vocals for my ep using a Rode NT-1A and an SM58 on stands and it worked ok. You liked one of my videos on Instagram once so it couldn't have been too shit hahaha
That said, I did use the Rode and and Aston Origin for my newer single. Thanks for all the tips and advice you've given over your videos I feel like I'm getting better and this really helps.
Thanks Glenn!
I'm not a Engels at all, I've only ever written about 6 songs and recorded all of them haha
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Wayne used some mic cupping tricks pretty tastefully in the Start a War record. The verses of the track Start a War specifically. A super airy, compressed whisper, then went full force in the choruses and it was face melting. But other than creative uses like that I just do not understand why people insist of maiming the sound of their voice.
Very good video!
What i miss in many tutorials is the "why to do this?".
Many people only show how to do something.
You on the other hand show both! Big thumbs up!
Even though i mainly do electronic music most of the time, i could employ some things you tought, because you explained why you're doing this!
Thank you very much for that! :D
P.S.: I listen to a ton of metal too! ;)
came for recording tips, left with new hair goals
You can attach a popfilter to the SM7B when it's not on a stand. Just attach it to the part that you'd screw on to a mic stand. Atleast works with some pop filters. Great tips!
Hey Glenn! Could you talk about contracts in a future video? What do your contracts look like? What are the most important things to include? What's the best way avoid getting screwed over by shitty artists? Thanks!
Great work Glenn! I like recording 1 main layer of vocals, then adding 2 more layers (panned LR) for certain phase accents. Sounds big or interesting, if those "back vocals" are done in different style of extreme vocals.
Imagining cookie monster gargling razor blades is the most accurate and funmy shit ive come across
I swap between an SM58 and MXL 770 depending on if I’m jamming or recording. I’m on a bit of a budget, but I want to get an SM7B at some point. I’m on a budget, but they work for what I need them for currently. Also, I agree with you on The Zen of Screaming. The breathing exercises are great.
Dude! You'd be so chill to work with. If I continue recording, you may get the unfortunate opportunity of dealing with my incredibly fickle mids.
That part about capturing a great performance spoke to me a little bit. Countless times I have been in the zone and attempt to record it with whatever is handy, and usually I find a way to flub it all up miss the capture.
That punch yourself in the face joke made me smile I needed that 😁
Glad you liked it!
I have no skin in the game but jeebus what a great video. I’m happy I went through a rabbit hole and learned more about audio recording.
Singer cupping mic while hovering over the stage monitors- "Where is all this feedback coming from?" Glares at sound guy.
I now have a dentist appointment after this episode :) rock on all
Great video Glenn, funny thing you mentioned poster, few people understand how important this is. Also lots of the things mentioned in the Zen of screaming have their origins in operatic singing (yeah i know it sounds weird)
I love the intro riff to your videos.
I finally recorded myself screaming for the first time where I didn't hate it. (Don't worry, I've already made sure to learn the safe ways- I've had enough vocal rests just learning clean singing, and while it is good where I am, I can be excessively cautious) The thing is, I have to either go laptop mic on my bed, although the posture is not great (usually the only option for clean/my usual singing because option 2 accentuates the wrong frequencies), or I could use my SM-58. Yep, the stage mic. It's cheap, and it goes into my M-Track Duo (also cheap), and since it's a dynamic, I have to hold the mic in one hand, and nearly eat the thing (I usually have to do 1-2 inches even when the gain's on a higher setting...) so anything gets picked up. And for the screaming, I have to turn the gain almost all the way down, and hold the dynamic at arm's length turned away from me, while I'm angled away from the mic, and I still clip throughout almost the entire wavefile. I got one good sound that didn't clip out of... at least ten, and that was one of the tests as opposed to the one where I tried doing part of a song. The worst part is that I thought I wasn't projecting enough when I first got the sound period, so it's. Yikes. I'm just experienced enough to know what the issue is but not enough to know how to solve it... Bedroom vocalists/producers beware.
Always appreciate your videos. Thanks!
Cupping the mic is sometimes a comfort issue. I took 3/4 inch pipe insulation and put in around the "shaft" of my beta 58. the extra "girth" has helped me from cupping the mic as i hand hold my mic in order to get a more true sound from my recordings.
Great vid Glenn. Please go over using eq and comp on the way in and during mixing for vocals.
Back in recording school, my 101 instructor would use condensor mics without a pop filter by having the diaphragm pointed at his mouth off axis, kinda like the Fredman technique
Anyway you could share some tips on recording very dynamic vocals like Jonathan Davis or Cory Taylor. Where the vocals go from one extreme to the next (soft to guttural) in a breath.
they use multiple tracks and live LOTS of practice with diaphragm
When you mentioned the Cookie Monster thing.... I almost laughed my house off the ground but then i realized someone was asleep
The moment Glenn slaps us with The Zen of Screaming, I'm like "Fucking thank you."
niiiice!! i'm so glad the tutorials are back i really had the feeling and the fear the gear reviews take over the channel. Don't get me wrong i love gear reviews but they got a bit much imo ... i really like the art preamps for screaming just trun them up to the edge of breakup and record the screams then it is cheap and getting tube saturation and a bit compression on the way in is also something i really like, the noise floor of the art stuff is a bit high but for screaming i like a fatter sound more then i fear the noise floor and imo the right mic choice does half the job ...
Oh thank you Glenn! I just started to record my first solo project and that's what I needed. Really looking forward to the vocal mixing tutorial! Oh yeah I use sample drums and impulses with my tube preamp but hey, I'm 16, I can't afford to record real drums (we do so with my band though) and I just want to make some music ahah. Big fan of the show by the way, keep doing what you do, it's awesome! \m/
P.s. sorry if there are any mistakes, I'm Italian
I never realized it was that rare for people to be able to do their vocal tracks in one take. Either my ears are broken and I can't tell if something sounds good or not OR I am a lot better than I realized... Thanks for the tips!
I’m only doing this so I can scream into the mic , “I’m glad you guys are having a good day and not ONLINE DATINGGGGGGG”
You can tell how proud Glenn is of that "punch yourself in the face" joke.
8:03
Those dums sound phenominal, Glen!
Instructions unclear, punched self and now sound like Nathan explosion. BRUTAL..
glenn is right, the zen of screaming is amazing. i was in two metal bands before i found that cd and i was destroying my voice every time we played until i found the zen of screaming.
I'M SO BRUTAAAAAL ajajajajajaj
:)
I AM MORE BRUTALLLL ajauauajausisjjajaiaiajajaiao
+Carlos Park I am MOST brutal.
There is now a zen of screaming 2 it's good too!
You're da man Glenn, awesome video as always!!!
Coookkiieeee
tymongoji Omnomnomnomnom
I will eat it up.
*chugchugchugchugchugchugchugchugchug*
Great example cupping the mic and still blow your ears. Listen to Rob Halford.
My favorite Extreme Metal song for vocals is called "FESTERING the CRYPT" by Cannibal Corpse.
Checking the Cannibal Corpse studio jam of Festering the Crypt, which has Jeff Owens on it.
Just dropped into say:
Step 1) Cup the mic.
Cryo Hermit trololoo
Glen, you're a legend.
Unrelated topic, but could you do a video on recording solid state amps? You’ve said in your how to dial in your settings that you need to get your tube amp loud enough until you hear a low end resonance but do you still need to get to that volume for recording solid state amps? Might be a naive question but it would be cool if you could just quickly answer in a viewers comments or if that’s too much just reply unless it’s a complicated subject.
It's pretty much the same, the sound is coming from the speakers, just with SS amps, you have to watch the volume, cause you can reach a point where the volume seemingly doesn't increase and the amp starts to sound shitty and muddy.
The best way to mic any cab is to watch the speaker and turn it up until the speaker starts to move and that should do it
I'm not a huge screaming fan, but there are a few fantastic vocalists who make it work ie. Randy Blythe & Howard Jones. If you ever read this I'm interested in your opinion on what makes a great leader. I know it's a bit of an unrelated question to the topic of this video, but it came to my mind as I was watching this and thought you'd be a great person to ask.
Cheers from just down the road in Erin, Ontario Canada
just discovered your channel and I got to see your fucking hilarious at the same time knowledgeable. you defiantly know what your doing
5 years later, are SM7's still the go-to? Not after some metal screamo, but in musical theatre, belting is often required and I'm after something that won't distort it.
I've actually had a "singer" come in and insist on cupping my sm7... Because his whisper scream couldn't be heard any other way.
Thx for the advice. As a kid who wants to be a metal vocalist who wants to have some success with it this helped. Also he is right dont cup the mic