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POLYGATE… the effect polypropylene hair has on dolls and consumers (a rant)
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2023
- please keep in mind i am simply sharing my opinions and adding to the discussion around this hair type and the reason why it is such a problem! nothing i say was done with the intent of hurting/ attacking anyone !!!
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I want the poly hair to be fixed too but I think another part of this that needs to be talked about is how people online are so damn rude. It's not just MH fans or doll collectors, this is a problem across the board online. People are just incredibly rude and being rude is counterproductive when you want your opinion to be heard. Leaving abusive messages on the social media of mattel employees is not going to achieve anything, we're shooting ourselves in the foot! Now we have designers completely closed off to listening to any criticism however valid that criticism may be because they've received too many rude comments🤦♀️
I always suspected that Mattel used hair that would get ratty and knotted fast so that you would trash it and buy another and keep you buying more so they make more money.
The worst thing is that they go straight to the garbage and create a bigger problem. If they were better quality they would get donated or sold for years to come.
I can't stand poly either! I don't understand why they can't just do saran. When i was a kid if the dolls hair wasn't smooth i wouldn't play with it and now i am an adult and still feel the same way. It is sad because i won't be spending money on anymore Monster high dolls with poor quality hair and neither will a lot of people. Thanks so much for putting this out there. Now if Mattel would only listen ! 💖💖
Unfortunately saran is less produced nowadays, and polypropylene is far cheaper. I wish Mattel would at least give dolls nylon instead of poly, it's cheaper than saran but still a very lovely hair fiber in its own right and good for hair play.
@@Ariento Nylon would be fine with me 😊Just not polypropylene 😝It's Just a mess
I have this memory of my dad taking one of my sister’s Barbie’s, sitting on it, farting, and then pulling it back out with its hair FRIED 😂😂😂 I only recently realized that maybe he had done it with two different dolls- the one with the fried hair was forever Weird Barbie. Ruined 😂
@@alwaysyouramanda Lol ! 🤣🤣Thats really funny ! You must have an Awesome Dad 🥰🥰❤❤
I love how you talk about how much MGA cares about their customers. Ever since I first started collecting RH dolls in 2020, something that has drawn me to them is the amazing quality of the clothes and how soft the hair is! I don't normally style my MH dolls' hair, but I can't help but style the hair on some of my RH and SH dolls and its so fun! I also love the way it feels and how soft it is to the touch.
The hair on MH Gen 3 dolls just doesn't have that same softness and amazing quality to me, and I have found that its much easier to style an RH or SH doll's hair than an MH doll's hair. My MH Gen 3 Twyla for example, had such annoying box hair that it took more time and effort to fix than any of my RH or SH dolls' hair! I don't even have most of the MH Gen 3 dolls, but Clawdeen's hair just looks like a nightmare to deal with compared to other dolls' hair just from reviews that I have seen on her! I really wish that Mattel could do curly and wavy hair on their MH Gen 3 dolls better, and of course that they would stop using polypropylene!
Ikr???? And then you have people who throw MGA under the bus JUST because trash MH is back!!! Lol omg , Rainbow high , Bratz and SO many others are just always gonna be better than them. Just my opinion 😆
The answer is money. Companies don't want just to make money, they want to make ALL of the money. Which means cutting costs where you can and increasing prices where you can. Lets say saran costs $4 per doll but poly costs $2, and all dolls are being completely outsold for $25 per one. The obvious answer is to switch to poly for all dolls because it costs less and increase the overall price of the doll from $25 to $28. Why not? they're being outsold. That's the sad reality these days. It doesn't matter that saran is the higher quality fiber. What matters it the bottom line. More over - with each release of any doll line there are expected sales that your promise your investors. If you expect a net profit of $10 million dollars but instead you get a profit of 8 million dollars, it doesn't matter that you got 8 million dollars in profit, what matters is that you reach your expected sales, and you didn't, so in all aspects, the whole venture is considered a commercial failure, despite your profits. That's why switching to poly makes sense if it makes it easier to reach your expected profit goals.
Doll collectors are very desperate as well - these new Barbie the movie dolls are $50 and they all come with one outfit and a very very basic box. That doesn't stop people from buying them. You reap what you sow. If you keep buying these dolls, you will keep getting these dolls.
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Abbey with poly hair was such a disappointment
ikr, I don't think I'm even going to purchase her now.
Hi I think you made valid points and especially regarding how passionate and caring MGA are to their customers, they genuinely listen and act on feedback whereas Mattel is still doing its own thing. Does the new Barbie have poly hair?
HI! thank you :)), if you mean the barbie movie dolls then no, they have saran!
As a kid I never noticed hair types since I would just throw alot of my dolls around and just not take care of them 😅 But as an adult ( or just as someone who really loves and appreciates dolls now) I love RH for having the soft hair. I just have dolls to display but every once and a while I touch the hair and its so nice. I kinda like MH G3 but Im kinda hesitant to buy MH because im so used to mga that idk if mattel products would be a good use of my money for the quality. And the poly hair kinda plays into that
while i do think mga overall is worth it in quality of clothes, there’s a certain charm to mh g3 that keeps me collecting! a lot of the dolls use saran but clawdeen and now frankie seem to be sticking to poly which is sad :(.
@@sweetestdolls Yeah they definitely have a lot of charm. I think I'm just hesitant because of all the Mattel quality criticism I've heard online. I still wanna get ones without the poly if I can one day because they are pretty cute. Frankie sticking to poly is a shame because they're one of the ones I really want.
Clawdeena9 said in one of his videos that Mattel has a room full of hair and that they pick whatever goes with the style or the color scheme
I think they try to cut corners moneywise.... It's a shame...
I agree with you sm… I really want to buy more MH G2 dolls, but the poly situation really turns me off. Even the pretty designs of SS2 couldn’t convince me to buy them, it’s a shame…
I think from the design perspective, they're mostly looking at color and color blends. I will agree that the colors used in the poly hair is nice. Like, the poly blend for Clawdeen is pretty. I like the light shade of pink on the Fearidecent Draculaura as it just helps to solidify the irridecent look. It wouldn't have looked the same with her typical seran blend. But at the same time, I'm an adult collector. I'm going to treat and style the hair, and then display them. Only really messing with the hair when needed. I also like how Poly does tend to take and hold curls better than seran. But at the end of the day, the dolls aren't made or designed for adults in mind lol.
There's visual design, and then there's functional design. As much as G1 was loved, it had some pretty poor design choices as well, that likely weren't apparent in design, but clear in retrospect. You know, the snap off hands and arms? The detachable fins? Cutting corners by not sealing the paint. But at that point, the money had already been made.
For a kid though? This is the type of fiber texture I would expect on a dollar store doll. I don't even think the cheap dolls I got as a 3-4 year old in the 80's were as bad when it comes to fiber texture. A little kid is going to want to play with the doll immediately after deboxing it. The hair is going to be utterly destroyed in minutes, because few children know to gently brush while wet from the bottom up with conditioner. No, I raked my Barbie brushes through my dolls hair, and I wasn't even a destructive kid. I never had a weird Barbie. I'd be devistated to finally get the doll I've been begging for only for it to look mangled with normal "gentlish" play, and no idea how to fix it.
Mattel is beholden to their shareholders. So they will always cut corners. The designers might like to use nicer hair quality or include finer details. But they can't go all out because the line needs to be as profitable as possible.
Whereas MGA is not a publicly traded company. They can put all of these really fine details on their dolls, things I might expect on a collector doll for playline cost. They are still making a good profit, because those profits do not need to be spread quite as thin. They can afford to do stuff like detailed embriodery, tiny little studs and sequins, super-detailed accessories, inset eyes, high quality hair (excessive product aside, that annoys me lol). The design on paper needs to go through less overhead to get to the finalized product, and this works out well for them.
I saw a gorgeous Saran g3 abbey reroot with colors that looks simailar to the poly hair color but not the same time it was simalar and Saran I wish they use Saran on abbey
I wholeheartedly agree with you on your poly hate. I vividly remember how my dolls’ hair felt as a child. The cloud-like kanekalon that was popular for Barbie and other doll lines at the time, the soft, fine, silky Saran hair on many other Barbie’s, or the smooth, satiny nylon hair on G1 my little ponies. Back in those days, poly was generally only found on super cheap dollar store toys and wasn’t used by mainstream toy companies. Of course, back then I didn’t know what any of the names of the fibers were, but playing with doll hair is an enormous part of doll play, even on non “hair play” dolls.
Now, as both a collector and as a parent, poly hair is almost always a deal breaker for me. Especially as a parent, the last thing I want to deal with is my kids having meltdowns because the hair got gross.
so i do think that pony you brought up does have poly hair. i can’t be sure but i’ve seen people on the mlp trading post talking about certain g3 ponies with the disintegrating hair problem and worse, i think hasbro might be starting to take that route as well. i just got g5 opaline who has a similarly stark white hair color that’s a little nightmarish to the touch, and worst of all while trying to brush it out (with the supplied brush, implying shes meant to be brushed with it!!!!) my lap was showered with little micro pieces of hair or something. i’m posting on the trading post to see if anyone’s had the problem too but it’s immensely discouraging, especially with a line that’s trying to market towards like, preschoolers. like i don’t even know how one would go about trying to rehair a g5 pony given the hardness of the plastic and how narrow the body is. like if i’m struggling this much as a 21 year old how on the actual planet is a four year old supposed to deal with this??
Let’s start a petition! Down with poly lol but seriously though let’s do it ☺️
I know these designers LOVE the poly because it can get colours extremely close to concepts and visions due to the type of hair it is, but what they need to realise is sacrifices need, and should, be made to offer a better quality end product, and it is somewhat telling of their actual knowledge and experience as a toy designer being blind (or just not caring what most think) to this. How these people think this is okay for the everyday consumer is baffling to me.
It could also be they simply do not play with their dolls and are living in a bubble that for some reason hasn’t been popped which is also concerning lol
I bought at least three Mattel Tooth Fairy dolls. I never knew about the poly. But this doll has poly I have read. They are over $30. I was going to give one to my granddaughter but she stores then in a clear plastic bin all the dolls on top of another. No way would I give her that. It is a shame, the Fairy is gorgeous, gently articulated, looking more like a Poppy Parker doll body. Beautiful detailing of neck and joints are not ugly. But she is much more delicate. Mostly she is out of the box on her stand. I just change clothes. So it’s ok for me. But still pissed they charged so much for poly.
G3 My Little Ponies actually had very good nylon hair. I think you just got a dud. I have quite a few of them, and oddly enough my version of that specific pony you have also has messed up hair (and is one of the only G3s that was ever so rough). However, after some work I've gotten it to be more decent. That was sort of always the hallmark of poly hair - real MLPs didn't have it, the knockoffs did. That's why having major doll companies switching to it seems so bizarre. The cheap knockoffs always had it and after a few years they all started balding. And what you showed with the hair falling out is not really how poly reacts over time. I've found pony knockoffs and the hair literally crumbles to dust - like it didn't resemble having ever been hair before. It's actually quite hard to imagine until you see it. It's almost like fiberglass and feels somehow really toxic and like you could accidentally inhale it. And I hate to think that contemporary dolls will look like that in like a decade considering I have some pretty old dolls (60s-90s) that are still practically like new after a boil wash and some conditioner.
thanks for letting me know! i was and am still so confused with that pony’s hair bc it feels identical to the poly i’ve dealt with but i was almost certain mlp never really used it during g3.
Hi!! So actually, when real MLP hair crumbles - it’s not because it’s a dud, but because it is infact poly!! Some G3’s do infact have poly hair. In fact, even nylon can crumble. It’s not known the true cause, probably because of quality issues. The plastic breaks down unlike standard breakage and you can take it in huge clumps. However it does effect certain colors more than others.
Yk what hair I really miss- kanekelon... the dolls i have with kanekelon hair are so fucking awesome
Actually if you look at the dolls, they will say that they are made in either 2020 or 2022. So it's evident that at least most are preproduced. So perhaps when they made dolls in the 2023 year the quality may increase and they are just getting the dolls they made sold and out of the way.
Does Draculaura have poly hair?
Yes! Both on The Skulltimate secrets series 2 and some of The booget dolls exclusive for latinamerica
What about the creep over doll?
@@alejandrocervantes3624 oh no... Not nice
@@amanogirl1 creepover draculaura has saran!
leave online product reviews and mention poly hair, hopefully they'll listen if they are in the product reviews?
Is poly cheap?