3rd Gen was peak, it was the work ethic of 2nd gen and better access to resources, more versatile and better camera quality as well as the perfect amount of western interaction, nowadays all the idols are camera wise, they all have to be ready to go viral, the songs are tailored for tiktok...it's sad.
Because the same formula was repeated again and again where it's now become bland and sound boring...the Korean music should expand to other genres of music not only pop music.
Variety show these day lack of idol involvement like they used to have in 2nd gen. I think its because they have their own production show for youtube channel.
How surprising that big 4 stans have an issue with a small company group like ATEEZ winning something. Work did well, and considering our KR fanbase is very small and most of the streaming is done by international fans, we worked hard for those 19 points. Also the way the digital scoring is complained has something to do with the SK market. The more they stream on SK platforms, the better the digitals. I like AESPA, but I'm happy we helped ATEEZ get their 2 trophies. To me, we show ATEEZ we appreciate their hard work and creativity. Its like a gift to them and I'm happy I helped to secure that gift.
I think you misunderstand the point. Because right now the important thing is whether the score system is transparent and accurate or not. Because it's clear that Supernova has gained traction on the digital charts and received widespread success .
@@tsboyzzz I don't misunderstand anything. When big company groups win it's no questions asked, but when they don't everyone wants to doubt fans hard work. We always lack in digital points because we have very little to no help on streaming platforms. We did well in other categories which is what helped ATZ win. Y'all are so tied up with your privilege as big4 stans that you're unhappy with groups with very little reach getting a win or 2.
I miss the 2nd and 3rd gen performances. Everything was more fun and engaging. The encores were also about the groups just having fun, celebrating their win, engaging with the audience, etc. and they didn’t just stand awkwardly while trying to sing. Music shows have gone downhill a lot and it’s a shame
Oh yeah 2016 to 2019 the years of non controversy,are u sure I'm pretty sure the burning sun,nth room,mnet manipulation,3 idols passing were literally the most turbulent years of kpop the 2016 to 2019 era
Yeah, it's super easy to rig the shows for a groups favour. Pretty sure dreamcatcher was supposed to win with piri or deja vu in the show, but then something fishy happened, and later it happened again
What groups are you even talking about? The only groups I've seen that couldn't do live recently are ILLIT and Le Sserafim. Most others are at least okay, and some are fantastic. Maybe try watching other groups lmao
@@Arielaarmy-k7i the next 2 encores after the """bad""" one (The one at Mcountdown and specially today's Inkigayo) were praised by knetz for their great vocals so what's the point of bringing RIIZE up 😅
I also believe the kpop craze definitely dwindled down after 3rd gen, you can constantly see a decline in views in sales in overall groups. Instead of a kpop obsession, it just became a generalized standard of music
Kind of solo artist are doing fine and groups are fading. Which is pretty standard if you look at other locations. In the 40-60s as “pop” music grew out of the Pop Standards genre it was dominated by groups, but after the 60s traditional pop groups basically died. Even groups that are essentially boy and girl groups (Jacksons, Sweet, and Runaways) were still in the “band” format or were older performs (Philly Soul groups).
Kpop is overly saturated and repetitive. Not only has it become sexualized but it’s difficult to distinguish one group from another. It has gotten very mundane.
The sexy concept was from the 1srt and 2nd gen, the "sexualization" seen now is nothing compare to before, when minors had to dress like cabaret girls and dance provocatively in front of many man. And let's not forget the shows in front of militars. Nothing of that exist now, sexualization was worst before than now, and in those time all the responsability was put on the girls, not the company.
being a group from a big 4 company is itself a huge privilege tho. Sm or hybe stans don't have to mass stream a song on every platform possible or even voting bc the digitals will ALWAYS be high despite the song being good or no. Why? Because those big company fans will ALWAYS tune in their favorite companies' groups, no matter what the music quality is Groups from smaller companies have to work their ass off every comeback promoting their songs on every variety show they attend, and knowing that if this exact same song by this smaller company group was given to any big 4 company it would've get way more popular. Hate this genre of privilege even if it's not the groups' fault. I'm sick of seeing my idols not getting as much as love and appreciation they deserve
@mindyminstrue that just because hybe is a big company doesn't mean their groups don't work for their wins just look at the other groups that are not big they don't win and people don't talk about these groups and just say all hybe groups are always winning because of payola😢
This is a load of bs. Just because a group is from big3 or hybe doesn't mean they get a free pass. For example one of the most popular ggs rn are idle and I've and last time I checked none of them are from big4. Some groups are popular and some are not. That's just how it is. The company doesn't really matter. Everyone works hard for their success.
Im surprised people even try to fight against this. That is common sense and how things are ran and people will try to deny it. Look, you’re fave can still be extremely hard working but did get privilege debuting for one of the biggest most well known company where the biggest barrier to entry being to even get on the publics map and be recognized is non existent for these groups. Any group debuting with any of the big companies will be known regardless. I understand we all like a “worked our way up” kinda story but thats not reality. Its not even a reality for many of the trainees that debut. Thats just how life and entertainment business works (sadly). (I don’t know if alot of the people denying this are very young or just ignorant to real life, fame, nepotism, money, or the meaning of privilege through connection which also means debuting in big companies. I don’t understand how this is denied like some of the comments above me.)
@mindyminslet me give it to you in layman's terms. Enhypen, BND fans are extremely lazy because they know that the company loyalists will do the work for them and that's why they lose time and time again
everything on kpop started to go downhill after 2017. i’ve been a kpop stan since 2010 so it’s been like 14 years now, and the best era of kpop was 2010-2014, not because i’ve been a stan since then, but because we had actual singers with great music and no other big deal. things started to change after 2015 cuz that’s when kpop got recognized internationally and looking at today’s kpop, you all know what happened after that 🤷🏻
This is honestly a good idea. You could instantly remove a lot of the toxicity from the entire industry by replacing the competitive element with more opportunities for different groups to interact with each other, like collab stages or other fun events.
Of course only when there is something is going on that is not in ateez their favor this channel talks about them. But what about the amazing big things they are doing like coachella and mawazine? Literally silence about those
Seriously, these music shows need to learn how to be fair, our precious idols are not overworking themselves this hard just to have there scores get manipulated by these jerks.
my biggest problem with music shows nowadays is that there is no pure live singing anymore, everyone got backtrack and autotune that help them hide bad vocals
I agree that one of the reasons of music shows downfall is the chart manipulation, but it's not new, in my opinion the main reason of the low rating in these shows is because kpop companies are targeting the US market, then they put all their efforts and money in promote their groups on western shows rather than korean music shows that don't have much influence outside korea.
Atp There are only like 3-5 4th gen groups that actually stand out 😭 the music shows practically rigged everything just for their own benifit,not the fans.That’s why there has been so many music show scandals and controversy’s these days.
Its a bit hyperbole. While the music shows have many flaws what is there to replace it? There's a reason a Japanese group like XG pay thousands of dollars to promote on Korean music shows despite their main market not even being Korea. Because international Kpop fans still watch these shows if not live then through clips on Twitter, Tiktok, etc. Music shows are just one of those things that make Kpop Kpop and there's really no American or international equivalent that can replace it.
Thousands of dollars 😂😂😂 I love people's fanfics!! They promote in korean music shows because their whole agency and production is based in South Korea and their main market IS the kpop market. Lol
To the Native 🇯🇵 Pop 🎵🎶 Fans, XG is Promoted as a Group Which is Even More Superior than Actual K-Pop Groups, Have the Same Amount of International Popularity as Both BTS and Blackpink Along with Completely Disassociated with K-Pop. (Just to Appease Anti-Korean 🇯🇵 Pop 🎵🎶 Fans Only.) However to International Pop 🎵🎶 Fans at Overseas, XG Wants to be Promoted Like a Typical K-Pop Group in their Eyes. (By Taking Away Oppotunities Which Could Have Been Given to Actual But Lesser-Known K-Pop Acts Instead - Especially Appearance Slots in Music Shows & K-Pop Contents Nationwide Within South Korea.) Which Already Made Most Native 🇰🇷 Pop 🎵🎶 Fans Even More Furious - Especially the Fact that XG Refuses to Release at Least a Single Song Mostly/Almost Fully Consisting of Korean Lyrics Until Now. Although I Don't Hate All XG Members on Personal Basis, I Only Hate its Marketing Strategy of Promoting Like a K-Pop Copycat Group. The Higher-Ups of XG's Staff Members Should be Blamed for this Marketing Strategy itself.
The problems are these money hungry companies that will do anything for money. They don’t actually care about the group, they just care how much money they can make. Also, there is a huge problem with scandals lately, they can be as ridiculous as dating. Haters find the dumbest reason to hate and that creates a negative environment in the whole industry.
The late 2nd gen and early 3rd gen i always watch this show cuz artists back then perform like its a concert and really do the best alfor a live stage. But todays music show stage are just yeah, some groups are bringing back that old-school vibe in music show but problem is fans are so toxic now a days that i feel like artists don't really want to perform in any music show.
My problem is that KPoP rarely do live performances without Autotune and vocal back tracks… we end up just listening to the pre-recorded tracks and the dancing
Of course HYBE is behind this. How tf did Lesserafim get a chance to perform at Coachella when they were not ready for it. Same with ILLIT, New jeans. HYBE has a lot of connections to push their product to the top shelf when the quality isn’t that good.
The way the korean music shows operate is questionable, idols fair better on International shows which are more relevant and credible as they aim to break that market
Also, they had kpop artists there too early in the morning and expected them to sing and dance around, and they only sleep like 2 to 4 hours a night! It's toxic all around.
I only liked kpop until shinee , exo , girls generation, super junior were in limelight . Nowadays every korean on youtube is calling themselves kpop idol . So it's has become confusing as to what's idol in korea right now
To share my opinion on this…there are some extremely talented artists that are not popular. I mean they can actually sing well live but do not have the fan numbers. The main focus now has been visuals rather than talent. So, it seems believable that whoever can BE bribed MORE significantly gets the WIN.
These shows used to be so much fun, but after a while I started to notice something wasn't right either. I stopped watching when I realized that it was a LOCK for certain Groups (and it's members) to win. This was to the point where they either didn't perform any more or just did not show up to collect at all
Not every group is promoted well by company, given ads for youtube mv to be recommended or given chance to perform. The win and score system is terrible since ages. But artist love to perform be any stage and many to discover them. These days even some music show views are bought. But if the artist and their fan like to see stages, especially who see it live in korea no issues. The fans of artist who really good at stage be it dance or live singing won't really complain. Big festival or small stages its all fun. 4th 5th gen fans just rely on tiktok challenge , viralism (even that is bought with playlisting) and it gets boring if their fav don't have interaction challenge with the other group or do viral challenge😅
I am only standing K-pop because of BTS and black pink believe me ... I can't with all the shit going on these days I don't want to criticise any group here but 5 th gen has disappointed me the most especially hybe girl groups . The unceccearry drama and min heejin controversy. Sm bullying exo and yg mistreatment. On the top of that people are saying that BTS had bought awards with money like what the hell. Black pink Jennie being rumoured unnecessary hate to her .. also new K-pop stans have started shipping her with Kai too. KBS and other awards shows taking American groups calling only selective groups for performance, increased prices of albums and photo books concert tickets all this is too much .... Believe me kpop is becoming hollow now less talent more visual .
Kpop from were i started late 2008 till now very different bec kpop then was very popular every fan had there own like elfs etc today well its complicated to explaine
Mannn....musicshows made the fun of this genre to literal and all about funds outside of the voting scandals, eoty shows aren't what they used to be or nothing ...what's left is the love for the music itself for me. Nothing NOTHING IS THE SAME ANYMORE everything has been touched by foul hands and it shows
I miss when music shows had real battles between top artists and it was a bloodbath for fandoms 😂 now it's just mostly flavor of the month song and/or some questionable wins... when was the last time high profile comebacks battled each week?
I wonder if Music Bank has tried getting Wonyoung back to MC lol. I feel like she (and maybe Karina) could maybe be the only idol that could have a big effect on getting both kpop fans and the korean public to tune back into the show.
I really liked 2-3 gen K-pop groups, a lot of their MV/ choreography are very stylish, artistic and have good storytelling. You can tell the idols have gone through brutal training and are very committed and well-mannered. Those were the times when Idols interacting with different groups in various shows respectfully and professionally.
That's why I understand why JYP don't compete for awards these days, but thanks to the fans some groups can still win. I admire the company for engaging their groups to concerts so that their popularity can still be maintained. Those music shows were already rigged since long time ago but its just starting to get exposed because there are increase in online fandom that also investigate these suspicious doings.
@@donttalk372 are you missing the point on purpose or you're just plain stupid? Where did I said smaller groups can't win? Of course they can. As long as their fans work hard to get them decent digitals (like charting top 30-60 on kr platforms) + sales + SNS + votings? I have zero problem if a group with stats like that wins. But nonexistent digitals? Winning just by randomly given brodcast points? Sorry, this is a scam in my book. Give me one reason why a popular group like aespa or an artist like LYW, frequently played on the radio, would be given 0 brodcast points. But I expect logical explanation, not your 'you just hate small groups' bs.
@@Aparna_dubey813 Only the first boy group to play Coachella. I don't know if you're legitimately completely ignorant or just rude from having no friends. Edit: My comment doesn't seem to be showing up, so I guess I'm editing this. Epik High is NOT a "boy group." They're not idols. They don't call themselves idols. They don't want to be called idols. They're producing music and telling stories with lyrics. They don't do choreography. They recently made a light stick as a joke. I shouldn't even need to be telling you this, but you're too ignorant.
Yup, they want to make sure Nugu groups are prohibited to get a spotlight and win and major agencies only buy their wins to show off their terrible talents
I don't care too much for music scores , I just watch my favorite group's stages and buy their album. I also hope and pray they come to my city so I can say that I've seen all my favs live at least once in my life
The very problem of kpop is the song releases. No one will admit but it's not making any sense anymore. Kpop songs sucks. Not the same anymore. The highest complement is *"it's catchy".* The only thing that makes it to the billboard is the fans effort.
This is why I still prefer 1st-2nd gen KPop idols, they had more identity and they were good at being relatable and variety shows.. even different groups were interacting with one another.
Any music competition in Korea of any kind has producer driven random scoring criteria, that all have room for manipulation and corruption for money or power, and reflects little on actual data or fan interest. It,s all back room deals. Yet the K-pop public still puts emphasis on Wins and All kills, etc. It’s a mess.
I used to wake up and watch music shows or listen corelia radio at very late in the evening back in the days. But because of my own life, I cannot do that anymore. Also so many kpop groups that I used to listen/watch has dispanded or are in long hiatus or doing other activities (KARA, VIXX, SNSD, ANS, XUM, Neonpunch, Majors, Gugudan, KARD and so on). So I currently have no excuse to watch music shows. I will only watch them, if someone I like is performing and even if I try to get to like new groups I don´t feel them same joy as I used to feel. It would also take a lot of time and effort to learn about new groups that I don´t have them time to do so. But when I have some little extra time I try to learn a tiny pit about new idols or at least listen one new song.
Their scoring system is so fishy but this happens since 2nd gen only now is more obvious. Some groups were shadow banned by KBS at that time and they couldn't promote on certain channels and obviously they couldn't win any prizes even if they were the most popular group that week. Kpop Industry is so shady and it's hard to be known internationally and worldwide if your company doesn't have connections.
I'm not a fan of either, but I think netizens forget that ATEEZ is marketed significantly better (and quite a bit more these days) than Aespa. KQ only has a few idols to take care of whereas SM has many idols (see the whole of NCT for minor example) and a lot of legal troubles. Therefore KQ can prioritize the promotion of certain idols much better than SM can. Does anybody else here get recommended Kpop content? I do. I literally cannot escape shorts with ATEEZ's Work in the background. Whereas I literally had no idea Aespa even had a new song. I've seen ATEEZ collaborating with just about everyone physically possible to promote their song, do Aespa even do that outside of other SM artists..? I've never seen them collab like that. I don't even like Work to be honest with you. I saw it pop up, figured I'd give it a try and immediately said "Where the hell did their concept go?" Lol.. The stage outfits I saw on shorts were.. Questionable at best. It was a miss for me. But I'm willing to bet you that the short collaboration spamming they've done to try to promote it is why they outranked Aespa. Once you've listened to that song or you've left a RUclips short replaying for a minute or two you're sucked into the loop of coming across shorts with Work as the background song. Props to their marketing team, I guess? It's kind of annoying though to be honest. Glad they're doing well for themselves though.
you're argument is heavily focused around you only. aespa are doing significantly better than ateez both internationally and domestically. super nova quite literal peaked in the top 20 of billboard global, top 50 of spotfiy global and received almost 300 paks
I hope they continue to do Music Bank/etc even if there are no rankings or winners, because it is a way to see more content of my favorite groups. It doesn't need to be a contest; just make it performances for the purposes of advertising rounds, just like the "press junket" system in the US or the musical guess feature for talk shows. No points necessary. One reason I like them too, is because some of the music videos for Kpop groups can be really wacky and not enough fan service for my favorite members, but there tends to be fancams and closeup versions for performances, for maximum fan service of those members -- so regardless of whether the music video works out for me, I can count on lots of different versions of the choreo and looks from the music shows afterward
I thought this was going to focus on how music shows are less important because of a decline in ratings and artists promoting for shorter periods of time. There have long been accusations that shows are rigged and fans will question certain scores. The scoring is and has always been a mess
Who wants to see Narazo perform SHOWER for the millionth time on Music Bank ??? or see an old Korean woman sing her hit Trot song on Inkigayo ??? Plus the proportion of Boy Bands to Girl Bands is like 6 to 1 on these shows.
Music shows used to be fun and had their own charm but know it’s just all about perfection,visuals and good choreography the encores used to be fun too but if someone tries to do something fun people will hate that group/individual. The big companies also plays a role in it the smaller groups never get chance to shine and they are just at the back while the groups from big companies are in front. Heck they even get better camera work. I think kpop is trying to be more westernized which really takes the fun out from the actual kpop.
Damn during my middleschool days i would usually make accounts in Mnet, mbc etc to vote for my fav groups. I miss those days What a time it was to live in!!! Nowadays mehhhhh nowadays its more like who can get more trendy in tiktok, youtube and instagram
We still need them. Get better photos that way. & Film. Music Festivals & Concerts are fun too, but also too compartmentalized. I'm Subbed to all the Fancam Channels so I never miss anything.
Its bound to fail since the new standard is based on "charts, streams & sales" when these 3 can easily be manipulated. Its not about the quality of the music anymore, I mean just look at the groups who are currently taking the win. The lyrics are atrocious & is meant to be easy sounding for tiktok. If y'all truly want these music shows to be more fair then I can reassure you that not even ive, idle, aespa, nct, straykids & newjeans would win. Tap in real musicians & not any of these "popular groups" would win for their music, its gonna be mostly bands & indie soloists🤷🏾♀️ actual musicians don't praise the beat nor the lyrics, they take in the WHOLE process of making the song so best believe these top groups would only get shit on once an actual musician reviews it. Some songs might get a pass but mostly, their pop songs would be shitted on.
The year they snubbed EXO, Music shows and Music awards shows became Null. EXO created the buzz and as soon as they realized it and started using the fans as pawns to bring more votes and engagement to their sad pathetic shows, the blatant lies on EXO and after them deciding to skip award season all together, THAT's what killed the shows, 2018, the year EXO skipped had the lowest viewership in all award shows as well as votes, and from then on it was a downhill spiral.
@Sharma85 like i always said when you're trying to grow into something new, like uhhh does a Mango tree grow loose it's leaves and grow pine leaves NO, people love it when they feel understood rather than then understanding you
personally, after 3rd gen, kpop stopped feeling authentic and it got boring after a while
3rd Gen was peak, it was the work ethic of 2nd gen and better access to resources, more versatile and better camera quality as well as the perfect amount of western interaction, nowadays all the idols are camera wise, they all have to be ready to go viral, the songs are tailored for tiktok...it's sad.
Damn right, I stop watching kpop-related events except when the group I stan attending that event.
ikr .. 3rd Gen was it for KPOP
Moving on to 5th gen era it’s getting worse n it shows
Because the same formula was repeated again and again where it's now become bland and sound boring...the Korean music should expand to other genres of music not only pop music.
Tbh 2nd gen kpop was when music shows really shined. Miss those days.
And the variety shows were chefs kiss
I agree
Exactly... No dating scandals when working with other idols 😢
Variety show these day lack of idol involvement like they used to have in 2nd gen. I think its because they have their own production show for youtube channel.
Facts miss those days. Could sit and watch a whole show and be entertained.
How surprising that big 4 stans have an issue with a small company group like ATEEZ winning something. Work did well, and considering our KR fanbase is very small and most of the streaming is done by international fans, we worked hard for those 19 points. Also the way the digital scoring is complained has something to do with the SK market. The more they stream on SK platforms, the better the digitals.
I like AESPA, but I'm happy we helped ATEEZ get their 2 trophies. To me, we show ATEEZ we appreciate their hard work and creativity. Its like a gift to them and I'm happy I helped to secure that gift.
We know ateez deserves that but supernova was very popular and received greatly in korea.
There is no Big 4
you're basically admitting that work shouldn't have won
I think you misunderstand the point. Because right now the important thing is whether the score system is transparent and accurate or not. Because it's clear that Supernova has gained traction on the digital charts and received widespread success .
@@tsboyzzz I don't misunderstand anything. When big company groups win it's no questions asked, but when they don't everyone wants to doubt fans hard work.
We always lack in digital points because we have very little to no help on streaming platforms. We did well in other categories which is what helped ATZ win.
Y'all are so tied up with your privilege as big4 stans that you're unhappy with groups with very little reach getting a win or 2.
I miss the 2nd and 3rd gen performances. Everything was more fun and engaging. The encores were also about the groups just having fun, celebrating their win, engaging with the audience, etc. and they didn’t just stand awkwardly while trying to sing. Music shows have gone downhill a lot and it’s a shame
2016 to 2019 was peak K-Pop. With as many controversies as there are these days...K-Pop isn't fun anymore and now music shows are dying too.
That’s debatable. I find 2008-2016 peak K-pop. 2nd gen was the best.
i am not saying anything but the controversies of that time never came to public eyes . and yup thats the reaity
I think the entrance to western culture is the main reason why there is so much of corruption..
Oh yeah 2016 to 2019 the years of non controversy,are u sure I'm pretty sure the burning sun,nth room,mnet manipulation,3 idols passing were literally the most turbulent years of kpop the 2016 to 2019 era
You copypasted this comment in literally every kookielit video, what an attntion seeker 😒
My problem with today's kpop is that they went the western route and they've lost their identity
Too much english lyric, it became just pop not Kpop.
They literally make more money with westernized concept lol. Cry about it
@urhypeboy lol true dat
💯AGREE
I mean yeah that's true kpop did go down the western route, however, Kpop was already westernized in the first place since 1st gen
Idk, if its just me but the scoring methods confusing 🤥👀
intentionally so, rigging is easy if each category "stands for something" but also has a complicated point system.
@@theobscenekiwi the broadcast score is the reason why aespa lost a lot of wins
@@naevis-db8ok its also why hybe wins almost everything. thats why you see hybe artist on random music/tv shows that no one watches.
Yeah, it's super easy to rig the shows for a groups favour. Pretty sure dreamcatcher was supposed to win with piri or deja vu in the show, but then something fishy happened, and later it happened again
@@naevis-db8ok Aespa won lots of music shows this come back, will you say that is also due to manipulation?
The problem is, too many groups but less talented. Cant even sing live.
What groups are you even talking about? The only groups I've seen that couldn't do live recently are ILLIT and Le Sserafim. Most others are at least okay, and some are fantastic. Maybe try watching other groups lmao
@@spectral__ ILLIT is the best love ILLIT
@@spectral__umm recently riize went viral in korea for their bad encore too
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@@Arielaarmy-k7i the next 2 encores after the """bad""" one (The one at Mcountdown and specially today's Inkigayo) were praised by knetz for their great vocals so what's the point of bringing RIIZE up 😅
I also believe the kpop craze definitely dwindled down after 3rd gen, you can constantly see a decline in views in sales in overall groups. Instead of a kpop obsession, it just became a generalized standard of music
Kind of solo artist are doing fine and groups are fading. Which is pretty standard if you look at other locations.
In the 40-60s as “pop” music grew out of the Pop Standards genre it was dominated by groups, but after the 60s traditional pop groups basically died. Even groups that are essentially boy and girl groups (Jacksons, Sweet, and Runaways) were still in the “band” format or were older performs (Philly Soul groups).
I have to agree its true now i forgot about these music shows
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@@ArgeliaAyala-el1op lol true
Money and power corrupt: it's the oldest story. You just have to hope not too many dreams of upcoming and deserving idols get ruined by corruption.
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Kpop is overly saturated and repetitive. Not only has it become sexualized but it’s difficult to distinguish one group from another. It has gotten very mundane.
The sexy concept was from the 1srt and 2nd gen, the "sexualization" seen now is nothing compare to before, when minors had to dress like cabaret girls and dance provocatively in front of many man. And let's not forget the shows in front of militars. Nothing of that exist now, sexualization was worst before than now, and in those time all the responsability was put on the girls, not the company.
I badly want old kpop back 😣😫
Nowadays kpop is toxic ☠️
being a group from a big 4 company is itself a huge privilege tho.
Sm or hybe stans don't have to mass stream a song on every platform possible or even voting bc the digitals will ALWAYS be high despite the song being good or no.
Why? Because those big company fans will ALWAYS tune in their favorite companies' groups, no matter what the music quality is
Groups from smaller companies have to work their ass off every comeback promoting their songs on every variety show they attend, and knowing that if this exact same song by this smaller company group was given to any big 4 company it would've get way more popular.
Hate this genre of privilege even if it's not the groups' fault. I'm sick of seeing my idols not getting as much as love and appreciation they deserve
@mindyminstrue that just because hybe is a big company doesn't mean their groups don't work for their wins just look at the other groups that are not big they don't win and people don't talk about these groups and just say all hybe groups are always winning because of payola😢
This is a load of bs. Just because a group is from big3 or hybe doesn't mean they get a free pass. For example one of the most popular ggs rn are idle and I've and last time I checked none of them are from big4. Some groups are popular and some are not. That's just how it is. The company doesn't really matter. Everyone works hard for their success.
Im surprised people even try to fight against this. That is common sense and how things are ran and people will try to deny it.
Look, you’re fave can still be extremely hard working but did get privilege debuting for one of the biggest most well known company where the biggest barrier to entry being to even get on the publics map and be recognized is non existent for these groups. Any group debuting with any of the big companies will be known regardless.
I understand we all like a “worked our way up” kinda story but thats not reality. Its not even a reality for many of the trainees that debut.
Thats just how life and entertainment business works (sadly).
(I don’t know if alot of the people denying this are very young or just ignorant to real life, fame, nepotism, money, or the meaning of privilege through connection which also means debuting in big companies. I don’t understand how this is denied like some of the comments above me.)
@mindyminslet me give it to you in layman's terms. Enhypen, BND fans are extremely lazy because they know that the company loyalists will do the work for them and that's why they lose time and time again
everything on kpop started to go downhill after 2017. i’ve been a kpop stan since 2010 so it’s been like 14 years now, and the best era of kpop was 2010-2014, not because i’ve been a stan since then, but because we had actual singers with great music and no other big deal. things started to change after 2015 cuz that’s when kpop got recognized internationally and looking at today’s kpop, you all know what happened after that 🤷🏻
Especially 90s were extremely classic kpop at that time but nowadays looks money hunger.
Here’s an idea- stop making it a competition. Music shows should just be about showcasing a comeback and leave the winning/losing to award shows.
This is honestly a good idea. You could instantly remove a lot of the toxicity from the entire industry by replacing the competitive element with more opportunities for different groups to interact with each other, like collab stages or other fun events.
But the competition is what pays their bills
Of course only when there is something is going on that is not in ateez their favor this channel talks about them. But what about the amazing big things they are doing like coachella and mawazine? Literally silence about those
Exactly!
SO TRUE
Exactly!
this isn't about them you missed the point of the video
@@afsh9089 I made my own point being an atiny seeing my boys always talked down on this channel.
4:28 in the US we call that Payola. It is really frowned upon although they use this method to claim that no monies are being exchanged.
My trust in these sh*tshows will never ever recover since Dreamcatcher - Deja Vu incident!
I love RUclips, I’m from America and the music scene her is just HORRIBLE so seeing kpop shows uploading their music shows brings me joy tbh
As an African American,I agree wit you
I miss when we had shows like TRL to showcase music and artists
I agree, American music is just boring now. The “I’m so rich I …” trope is so played out.
Seriously, these music shows need to learn how to be fair, our precious idols are not overworking themselves this hard just to have there scores get manipulated by these jerks.
my biggest problem with music shows nowadays is that there is no pure live singing anymore, everyone got backtrack and autotune that help them hide bad vocals
I agree that one of the reasons of music shows downfall is the chart manipulation, but it's not new, in my opinion the main reason of the low rating in these shows is because kpop companies are targeting the US market, then they put all their efforts and money in promote their groups on western shows rather than korean music shows that don't have much influence outside korea.
Atp There are only like 3-5 4th gen groups that actually stand out 😭 the music shows practically rigged everything just for their own benifit,not the fans.That’s why there has been so many music show scandals and controversy’s these days.
When hybe group won i know they paid everything
Or you are just blinded by hate LMAO
Kpop is pretty much at the end of it popularity. I only come back to read fans debate.
It's just that the everything has to be so polished and perfect now. Same with the dance practice videos just turning into performance videos.
Its a bit hyperbole. While the music shows have many flaws what is there to replace it? There's a reason a Japanese group like XG pay thousands of dollars to promote on Korean music shows despite their main market not even being Korea. Because international Kpop fans still watch these shows if not live then through clips on Twitter, Tiktok, etc. Music shows are just one of those things that make Kpop Kpop and there's really no American or international equivalent that can replace it.
why u hating on xg go fond over your pretty untslented kpop girlies
Thousands of dollars 😂😂😂 I love people's fanfics!!
They promote in korean music shows because their whole agency and production is based in South Korea and their main market IS the kpop market. Lol
To the Native 🇯🇵 Pop 🎵🎶 Fans, XG is Promoted as a Group Which is Even More Superior than Actual K-Pop Groups, Have the Same Amount of International Popularity as Both BTS and Blackpink Along with Completely Disassociated with K-Pop. (Just to Appease Anti-Korean 🇯🇵 Pop 🎵🎶 Fans Only.)
However to International Pop 🎵🎶 Fans at Overseas, XG Wants to be Promoted Like a Typical K-Pop Group in their Eyes. (By Taking Away Oppotunities Which Could Have Been Given to Actual But Lesser-Known K-Pop Acts Instead - Especially Appearance Slots in Music Shows & K-Pop Contents Nationwide Within South Korea.) Which Already Made Most Native 🇰🇷 Pop 🎵🎶 Fans Even More Furious - Especially the Fact that XG Refuses to Release at Least a Single Song Mostly/Almost Fully Consisting of Korean Lyrics Until Now.
Although I Don't Hate All XG Members on Personal Basis, I Only Hate its Marketing Strategy of Promoting Like a K-Pop Copycat Group. The Higher-Ups of XG's Staff Members Should be Blamed for this Marketing Strategy itself.
@@meimimiyasaki International K-Pop Market Only, NOT the Domestic K-Pop Market.
@@aleysacampbell8709 how is that hate? yall are illiterate snowflakes atp
I always wondered how much it costs to build the stage sets that are only used for like 5 mins
The problems are these money hungry companies that will do anything for money. They don’t actually care about the group, they just care how much money they can make. Also, there is a huge problem with scandals lately, they can be as ridiculous as dating. Haters find the dumbest reason to hate and that creates a negative environment in the whole industry.
The late 2nd gen and early 3rd gen i always watch this show cuz artists back then perform like its a concert and really do the best alfor a live stage. But todays music show stage are just yeah, some groups are bringing back that old-school vibe in music show but problem is fans are so toxic now a days that i feel like artists don't really want to perform in any music show.
That's why YG artists rarely go to music shows.
More expenses for artists to go there.
I still don’t get the point of “winning music shows system” anyway, music is not a competition
Agree
You only have to look at the Eurovision Song Contest every May, which is to see who tows the establishment line the best.
My problem is that KPoP rarely do live performances without Autotune and vocal back tracks… we end up just listening to the pre-recorded tracks and the dancing
Of course HYBE is behind this. How tf did Lesserafim get a chance to perform at Coachella when they were not ready for it. Same with ILLIT, New jeans. HYBE has a lot of connections to push their product to the top shelf when the quality isn’t that good.
Blaming HYBE for everything, why????
Yes aespa is from hybe.. I never knew that.
i watch only for the performance, not some silly school like score
They should put out live, no auto tuned and no backing vocal tracks…
Not interested in K pop anymore but K dramas are definitely winning and gaining traction !!!
The way the korean music shows operate is questionable, idols fair better on International shows which are more relevant and credible as they aim to break that market
there are no international shows, just morning or late night shows in America
Fare .
Even if we have foreign music shows it will still be the same
There is cheating and manipulation everywhere
Also, they had kpop artists there too early in the morning and expected them to sing and dance around, and they only sleep like 2 to 4 hours a night! It's toxic all around.
I only liked kpop until shinee , exo , girls generation, super junior were in limelight . Nowadays every korean on youtube is calling themselves kpop idol . So it's has become confusing as to what's idol in korea right now
2nd and 3rd gen I miss youuuu😭
Music shows rigging is not just one or two cases but right now it’s become more often thanks the fans that point it out
To share my opinion on this…there are some extremely talented artists that are not popular. I mean they can actually sing well live but do not have the fan numbers. The main focus now has been visuals rather than talent. So, it seems believable that whoever can BE bribed MORE significantly gets the WIN.
These shows used to be so much fun, but after a while I started to notice something wasn't right either. I stopped watching when I realized that it was a LOCK for certain Groups (and it's members) to win. This was to the point where they either didn't perform any more or just did not show up to collect at all
Dreamcatcher love 😭😭😭😭😭
seriously..im still sore to this day for that hot garbage that The Show pulled off..
Not every group is promoted well by company, given ads for youtube mv to be recommended or given chance to perform. The win and score system is terrible since ages.
But artist love to perform be any stage and many to discover them. These days even some music show views are bought. But if the artist and their fan like to see stages, especially who see it live in korea no issues.
The fans of artist who really good at stage be it dance or live singing won't really complain. Big festival or small stages its all fun.
4th 5th gen fans just rely on tiktok challenge , viralism (even that is bought with playlisting) and it gets boring if their fav don't have interaction challenge with the other group or do viral challenge😅
When AOA got robbed in queendom it seemed sus. Egotistic momentum earned more than second to last place. Something was off. 🧐
Queendom was full of good groups. If the competition is high, it is difficult to win even if they were also good.
Music shows are dipping and so are award shows
kpop shows has pretty much always been scoring manipulation from people in charge of the shows due to riggings and favors
I am only standing K-pop because of BTS and black pink believe me ... I can't with all the shit going on these days I don't want to criticise any group here but 5 th gen has disappointed me the most especially hybe girl groups . The unceccearry drama and min heejin controversy. Sm bullying exo and yg mistreatment. On the top of that people are saying that BTS had bought awards with money like what the hell. Black pink Jennie being rumoured unnecessary hate to her .. also new K-pop stans have started shipping her with Kai too. KBS and other awards shows taking American groups calling only selective groups for performance, increased prices of albums and photo books concert tickets all this is too much .... Believe me kpop is becoming hollow now less talent more visual .
Kpop from were i started late 2008 till now very different bec kpop then was very popular every fan had there own like elfs etc today well its complicated to explaine
Mannn....musicshows made the fun of this genre to literal and all about funds outside of the voting scandals, eoty shows aren't what they used to be or nothing ...what's left is the love for the music itself for me. Nothing NOTHING IS THE SAME ANYMORE everything has been touched by foul hands and it shows
I miss when music shows had real battles between top artists and it was a bloodbath for fandoms 😂
now it's just mostly flavor of the month song and/or some questionable wins...
when was the last time high profile comebacks battled each week?
I wonder if Music Bank has tried getting Wonyoung back to MC lol. I feel like she (and maybe Karina) could maybe be the only idol that could have a big effect on getting both kpop fans and the korean public to tune back into the show.
I really liked 2-3 gen K-pop groups, a lot of their MV/ choreography are very stylish, artistic and have good storytelling. You can tell the idols have gone through brutal training and are very committed and well-mannered. Those were the times when Idols interacting with different groups in various shows respectfully and professionally.
That's why I understand why JYP don't compete for awards these days, but thanks to the fans some groups can still win. I admire the company for engaging their groups to concerts so that their popularity can still be maintained. Those music shows were already rigged since long time ago but its just starting to get exposed because there are increase in online fandom that also investigate these suspicious doings.
ahh just bcs your mega ultra famous group did not win cus you thought that it was an already win game, its a scam.... yall make me nauseus
It's literally a popularity award so if this mega ultra famous group/artist did not win... What would you call it if not a scam?
when the mega ultra famous group is snubbed numerous times and music show cancel when they're predicted to win, yeah its a scam
@@askara9234so when fans of the smaller groups work so hard, harder than y'all and win, your egos get bruised???? Wow 🤡 sh!t
@@axcc0267it's not a scam, it's called being diligent
@@donttalk372 are you missing the point on purpose or you're just plain stupid? Where did I said smaller groups can't win? Of course they can. As long as their fans work hard to get them decent digitals (like charting top 30-60 on kr platforms) + sales + SNS + votings? I have zero problem if a group with stats like that wins. But nonexistent digitals? Winning just by randomly given brodcast points? Sorry, this is a scam in my book. Give me one reason why a popular group like aespa or an artist like LYW, frequently played on the radio, would be given 0 brodcast points. But I expect logical explanation, not your 'you just hate small groups' bs.
oh ateez are getting rigging allegations. 🎉 weve made it 🎉
i feel like if someone makes a music show who is not gonna do none of this thins it will be pretty popular
Something like NPOP?
music shows are scammed and digital scores are scammed too😭😭🏆 Everglow Zombie deserves to win 💛🏆😭
ateez ate with work
Who?
Who ateez
ATEEZ IS A BOY GROUP THE GROUP THAT WAS WITH AESPA ON THE SCREEN THINGY
@@Aparna_dubey813 Only the first boy group to play Coachella. I don't know if you're legitimately completely ignorant or just rude from having no friends.
Edit: My comment doesn't seem to be showing up, so I guess I'm editing this. Epik High is NOT a "boy group." They're not idols. They don't call themselves idols. They don't want to be called idols. They're producing music and telling stories with lyrics. They don't do choreography. They recently made a light stick as a joke. I shouldn't even need to be telling you this, but you're too ignorant.
@@spectral__ you forgot epik high girl go and have some knowledge
Finally! Someone explained the downfall of music shows due to manipulation!😏
Yup, they want to make sure Nugu groups are prohibited to get a spotlight and win and major agencies only buy their wins to show off their terrible talents
get off your high horse your favs would've sold a kidney to debut with those "terrible talents"
I don't care too much for music scores , I just watch my favorite group's stages and buy their album.
I also hope and pray they come to my city so I can say that I've seen all my favs live at least once in my life
The very problem of kpop is the song releases. No one will admit but it's not making any sense anymore. Kpop songs sucks. Not the same anymore. The highest complement is *"it's catchy".* The only thing that makes it to the billboard is the fans effort.
Also music award.. nahh bored now :(
YG decision not to promote a lot his groups in music shows is right.
Then why do they keep coming back? Didn't Baemon just promote the like that performance of mnet
@@donttalk372because we fans were forcing yg to do and babymonster itself said that they want to perform for us
@@BTSPAVEDTHEWAYYYYY_07 so who is right in this scenario?
HYBE =PAYOLA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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3:52 Deja Vu 😞
This is why I still prefer 1st-2nd gen KPop idols, they had more identity and they were good at being relatable and variety shows.. even different groups were interacting with one another.
Any music competition in Korea of any kind has producer driven random scoring criteria, that all have room for manipulation and corruption for money or power, and reflects little on actual data or fan interest. It,s all back room deals. Yet the K-pop public still puts emphasis on Wins and All kills, etc. It’s a mess.
I don’t know kpop today. My knowledge of them stops at bigbang and I am not interested with today’s kpop
they need the Eternal Legendary Dreamcatcher ,
they will Return soon
I used to wake up and watch music shows or listen corelia radio at very late in the evening back in the days. But because of my own life, I cannot do that anymore. Also so many kpop groups that I used to listen/watch has dispanded or are in long hiatus or doing other activities (KARA, VIXX, SNSD, ANS, XUM, Neonpunch, Majors, Gugudan, KARD and so on). So I currently have no excuse to watch music shows. I will only watch them, if someone I like is performing and even if I try to get to like new groups I don´t feel them same joy as I used to feel. It would also take a lot of time and effort to learn about new groups that I don´t have them time to do so. But when I have some little extra time I try to learn a tiny pit about new idols or at least listen one new song.
Their scoring system is so fishy but this happens since 2nd gen only now is more obvious. Some groups were shadow banned by KBS at that time and they couldn't promote on certain channels and obviously they couldn't win any prizes even if they were the most popular group that week. Kpop Industry is so shady and it's hard to be known internationally and worldwide if your company doesn't have connections.
I'm not a fan of either, but I think netizens forget that ATEEZ is marketed significantly better (and quite a bit more these days) than Aespa.
KQ only has a few idols to take care of whereas SM has many idols (see the whole of NCT for minor example) and a lot of legal troubles. Therefore KQ can prioritize the promotion of certain idols much better than SM can.
Does anybody else here get recommended Kpop content? I do. I literally cannot escape shorts with ATEEZ's Work in the background. Whereas I literally had no idea Aespa even had a new song.
I've seen ATEEZ collaborating with just about everyone physically possible to promote their song, do Aespa even do that outside of other SM artists..? I've never seen them collab like that.
I don't even like Work to be honest with you. I saw it pop up, figured I'd give it a try and immediately said "Where the hell did their concept go?" Lol.. The stage outfits I saw on shorts were.. Questionable at best. It was a miss for me. But I'm willing to bet you that the short collaboration spamming they've done to try to promote it is why they outranked Aespa. Once you've listened to that song or you've left a RUclips short replaying for a minute or two you're sucked into the loop of coming across shorts with Work as the background song.
Props to their marketing team, I guess? It's kind of annoying though to be honest. Glad they're doing well for themselves though.
Agree with you
I have the opposite. Never heard of ateez but only aespa. Which means your argument is flawed.
@@zels2816 quite the opposite, it shows that Ateez have their own, big part of the market share even if it doesn't overlap with the other group much
@zels2816 just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they aren't of.
you're argument is heavily focused around you only. aespa are doing significantly better than ateez both internationally and domestically. super nova quite literal peaked in the top 20 of billboard global, top 50 of spotfiy global and received almost 300 paks
I hope they continue to do Music Bank/etc even if there are no rankings or winners, because it is a way to see more content of my favorite groups. It doesn't need to be a contest; just make it performances for the purposes of advertising rounds, just like the "press junket" system in the US or the musical guess feature for talk shows. No points necessary. One reason I like them too, is because some of the music videos for Kpop groups can be really wacky and not enough fan service for my favorite members, but there tends to be fancams and closeup versions for performances, for maximum fan service of those members -- so regardless of whether the music video works out for me, I can count on lots of different versions of the choreo and looks from the music shows afterward
I thought this was going to focus on how music shows are less important because of a decline in ratings and artists promoting for shorter periods of time. There have long been accusations that shows are rigged and fans will question certain scores. The scoring is and has always been a mess
4:58 who’s the male mc?
5:45 What’s that group?
6:00 Who’s the blonde male Mac?
8:58 Who’s that idol?
4:58 Lee Chaemin
5:45 WayV
6:00 WayV Xiaojun
8:58 WayV Hendery
Are you a WayV fan?
nowadays biggest problem is debuting minor talentless idols and focusing on visuals only as that is enough to make a idol viral
Who wants to see Narazo perform SHOWER for the millionth time on Music Bank ??? or see an old Korean woman sing her hit Trot song on Inkigayo ??? Plus the proportion of Boy Bands to Girl Bands is like 6 to 1 on these shows.
What's the meaning titled LIVE when big groups did prerecorded stage? I'm so tired with gen4 up music show
All those music show, or Contest show and like Talent shows;''>>>>.............................All Rigged
2nd Gen is the most iconic kpop idol in Korean industry. 2nd Gen is the coolest k-idol 💯
K-pop music shows are corrupted? It's a business! What else can you expect?
I watch music shows just because a UNIS member is an MC.
Nana
Music shows used to be fun and had their own charm but know it’s just all about perfection,visuals and good choreography the encores used to be fun too but if someone tries to do something fun people will hate that group/individual. The big companies also plays a role in it the smaller groups never get chance to shine and they are just at the back while the groups from big companies are in front. Heck they even get better camera work. I think kpop is trying to be more westernized which really takes the fun out from the actual kpop.
Damn during my middleschool days i would usually make accounts in Mnet, mbc etc to vote for my fav groups. I miss those days
What a time it was to live in!!! Nowadays mehhhhh
nowadays its more like who can get more trendy in tiktok, youtube and instagram
This has had to be 😢
We still need them. Get better photos that way. & Film. Music Festivals & Concerts are fun too, but also too compartmentalized. I'm Subbed to all the Fancam Channels so I never miss anything.
Am I the only one who couldn't care less about this aspect of music shows? I watch them to see performances.
Same
Its bound to fail since the new standard is based on "charts, streams & sales" when these 3 can easily be manipulated. Its not about the quality of the music anymore, I mean just look at the groups who are currently taking the win. The lyrics are atrocious & is meant to be easy sounding for tiktok. If y'all truly want these music shows to be more fair then I can reassure you that not even ive, idle, aespa, nct, straykids & newjeans would win. Tap in real musicians & not any of these "popular groups" would win for their music, its gonna be mostly bands & indie soloists🤷🏾♀️ actual musicians don't praise the beat nor the lyrics, they take in the WHOLE process of making the song so best believe these top groups would only get shit on once an actual musician reviews it. Some songs might get a pass but mostly, their pop songs would be shitted on.
6:12 nahh here illit’s score is supposed to be 6904
The year they snubbed EXO, Music shows and Music awards shows became Null. EXO created the buzz and as soon as they realized it and started using the fans as pawns to bring more votes and engagement to their sad pathetic shows, the blatant lies on EXO and after them deciding to skip award season all together, THAT's what killed the shows, 2018, the year EXO skipped had the lowest viewership in all award shows as well as votes, and from then on it was a downhill spiral.
LiK exo fans are delulu
I’ve never cared for the music shows anyway.
But i think I've heya batter than seventeen mastro
more respect for Simon and the XGALX team for doing everything since day 1 . it makes sense now why they do interview
REUPLOAD?...
Missing those times when kpop was everything 😭
People just want to enjoy the music. NOT CLICKING FOR 100 TIMES A DAY FOR STREAMING MV.
You can still do that, if you love the music then it shouldn't be a problem . ..
@Sharma85 like i always said when you're trying to grow into something new, like uhhh does a Mango tree grow loose it's leaves and grow pine leaves NO, people love it when they feel understood rather than then understanding you