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If they turned Vengeance soul fragments into combo points it would be fantastic. The delay in having the fragments actually summon and land on the ground can at times feel like shit.
I mained a pally tank forever and its just an amazing tank. Super easy aggro control and lots of tools for your group. Since evevryone has been on the pally bandwagon and i rolled a warrior and O.M.G is it awesome. It was hard to get it going and figure it out but once it all fell into place its just a blasty blast. Blood Dk is like a mix between warrior and Pally.
I went brew master monk and its been SUPER fun so far. I tried them all and the monk just has the highest skill ceiling of all tanks. If you get good at it, they are unkillable gods.
Statically placed skills like Death & Decay and Concentration should be turned into an Aura. That would solve the mobility issues with the skills in M+ and Raids.
Brewmaster damage rotation can be played with 2 buttons if you don't want to min-max, you will not lose much performance tho, 5-10% at best, which imo is completely irrelevant if you are a casual player who just plays around +20
You can't drop your rotation to 2 buttons, no matter what you do. You will still have, at least: Blackout Kick, Keg Smash and Spinning Crane Kick. Aswell as Purifying Brew and Expel Harm.
@@adianblabla It has a very straight forward priority for that. So if u play without blackout combo u can make two macros based on ST and mainly AOE abilitys. Like for example somethign which lets u cast keg smash into firebreath, resets on keg cd and casts spinning crane after or something like that. Purifying Brew and Expel harm are not part of damage rotation unless you dont play jade wind in which case it still shoud be used defensivly 90% of the time. So I guess you just removing black out combo and playing the rotation not 100% correct results in a 10-20% dps loss in aoe if we dont count cd usage. Almost no loss in ST by shrinking it to some smart damage combos.
I love what a guardian dread because it's fun. I'd item level 427 i did a +12 waycrest and +13 everbloom today. Wss tough but i did it. If I used my cooldowns properly it wasn't really too much of a problem even on fortafied. A couple of enemies hit a little harder than I would have liked, but overall not too bad. But I definitely need to get more item level before I try to go higher lol... I'm still wearing a couple of 412 pieces and 421 pieces. What that said, with the build I'm using and when planned correctly I feel pretty tanky honestly. And I do like that with incarnation I'm basically invincible I can just spam frenzy regeneration and iron for up to eight stacks with the talents that I use. I do wish they made it to where regrowth would not take you out of bear form though. I think if you pick that talent to give you the instant proc.. It should make regrowth its own version and usable only in bear form.
Because consecrate never used to have a dr attached to it when that glyph existed. It would be the equivalent of rushing Jade wind having a 20% dr as well as doing a lot of damage now. Which would be crazy OP
I just got back into the game and got Guardian Druid to max, unfortunate that it's not as fun rn compared to how it was because I've really been enjoying it even as is so I kinda wish I got to try how it felt prior :)
Imagine parry being a reactive mchanic or button you know like an actual parry leaving the rng or broken part completely out ofthe gameplay enhancing the tank fantasy
i am planning to main arcane mage (potentially fire), and planning to alt vengeance for m+. Ive always thought vengeance is very fun in m+ and i love having alot of control over the mobs
I need to look at the rework DH but otherwise my warrior will still be my love ❤ Guys will you do guides for the new M+ season and bossguides for raid?😅
Meh. It’s all subjective. Bear to me (long time Bear) is incredibly boring to me but super fun for my friend, but it’s new to her. That’s another factor is the “shiny new toy” aspect. There’s a higher chance that a new tank will be more fun just simply cause it’s a new toolkit.
Brewmaster has always been the best and my favorite with DK as my very close second for a long time... until I had to switch my main off brew to play VDH for mythic sark since we lost our demon hunter... it's so fun but not as fun as brew
its impossbile to stay in a full time concecration in m+ keys especially in higher keys. you have to move so much and leaving your empowered concecration just feels bad. its super poweful but its poor to play sometimes because of the thing marcellian mentioned. you just overwrite it if you recast and thats bad (design)
Both healers i tend to do raid and Mythic+ with hate both of my tanks (DK and Pala) where im good for a while and out of nowhere they have to panic heal and before they have finished the cast im good again from self heals.
I'm not gonna lie, in the last year I have had to change mains so often because of updates, nerfs, pvp modifiers, and I'm not even close to world class. I like that they are actioning the classes but every couple of weeks, a new review, a change to play styles, bots, scripting hacks, all of it... it has made the game not fun. Why play a holy palladin just to watch it get nerfed in pvp, why pvp when the unaddressed Druid cyclone spams still have little to no diminishing returns, why be a mage when all they do is lock you into aoe or insnaely complex or braindead single taget, there is so much more to complain about but the biggest, there is love for rogues, love for paladins, love for Demon Hunters but everyone else playing to game has to endure forced fun gates so the timmys of our world get a trophy.
I hope so i do the same i equiped my pala now 440 atm but need more gear craftet gear for good start in s3 but one think i hate on pala is the squishy think for no cds when you know what i meen
This was expected for us bears. We can go back to the rare status of "Oh shit its a bear lol I didnt know they existed", Lol neither does Blizz, its ok. Bye FoTP rollers. Us old timers just know this is the way of things. Hot for one patch, then back to being boring. They need to give us a better rework.
Dont agree on the vengance parry thing. Vengance has like no issues surviving ST whatsoever. Theres no need for parry there anyway so to me thats a pure aoe defense anyway.
its always like that. 1 tank class will always be god for 1 season then trash the next because of nerf. jeez i really wonder why they love doing this since the dawn of wow.
Blood DK is by no means the tankiest tank :D He is squishy in the same way he has always been squishy, has less upfront DR than most other tanks, if not all of them so Blood will normally be one of the first if not THE first tank to start being one shot.
@@MarcelianOnline I think you are not playing with good blood dks man! If you know how to play around the bone shield, you are the tankiest! If you don´t know, yeah, life with this tank could be a roller coaster!
@@alessandrogentilI think you misunderstand the term squishy. Blood dks are very good but they are clearly the squishiest upfront. It’s not even debatable
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The fact about Brewmasters having lots of abilities is that it means they can keep and hold aggro on huge packs easier than other tanks. That one went over your head lol.
@@erichall090909why? They can decide any day to give them 4th tanking spec...it's tanking in classic season of discovery along with warlocks so why not
Yeah , blood flip flop tank … run in a group 20% than 100% next hit 20% you hit 100% … no thanks . what’s fun about a tank that does not has a save health pool . And oh boy don’t get me start with dmg form tanks . Tanks are there to tank the dps should do the dmg but nah with the hole timer thing that went out the window long ago sadly .
playing wow is really like eating shit mate.. they keep butchering specs again and again buffing nerfing like idiots this makes 0 just 0 senseits like i rewatch the same videos for guides or complaints for years
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If they turned Vengeance soul fragments into combo points it would be fantastic.
The delay in having the fragments actually summon and land on the ground can at times feel like shit.
I mained a pally tank forever and its just an amazing tank. Super easy aggro control and lots of tools for your group. Since evevryone has been on the pally bandwagon and i rolled a warrior and O.M.G is it awesome. It was hard to get it going and figure it out but once it all fell into place its just a blasty blast. Blood Dk is like a mix between warrior and Pally.
I feel ya man, enjoy 😊
As a part time VDH I am very sorry for my healer who has to use all of his mobility spells to catch up on me leaving the entire group behind
I find it harder and harder to NOT play VDH... so very mobile
I don't understand. Why's your healer trying to keep up to you? Tanks don't really need healing these days lol.
Rip priest
I always tell myself: Slow it down, let them catch up - and then I start jumping at get a bit... taken away😅
i will just let my tank self-heal, since he dont need us,
I went brew master monk and its been SUPER fun so far. I tried them all and the monk just has the highest skill ceiling of all tanks. If you get good at it, they are unkillable gods.
Statically placed skills like Death & Decay and Concentration should be turned into an Aura. That would solve the mobility issues with the skills in M+ and Raids.
I agree with this but I can see why blizzard doesn't. With that being said, baking concentration or d%d into a tier set is not good.
The way they did precise Sigils for DH they should add a talent for this.
Like back in MoP when Pala's Consecration had a glyph that made it move with the Pala
@@zarunax I skipped MoP thanks to college. That was a thing? That just gives even more justification for it to be a thing!
9:20 DH is living on the edge :)
Brewmaster damage rotation can be played with 2 buttons if you don't want to min-max, you will not lose much performance tho, 5-10% at best, which imo is completely irrelevant if you are a casual player who just plays around +20
You can't drop your rotation to 2 buttons, no matter what you do.
You will still have, at least: Blackout Kick, Keg Smash and Spinning Crane Kick. Aswell as Purifying Brew and Expel Harm.
@@adianblabla It has a very straight forward priority for that. So if u play without blackout combo u can make two macros based on ST and mainly AOE abilitys. Like for example somethign which lets u cast keg smash into firebreath, resets on keg cd and casts spinning crane after or something like that. Purifying Brew and Expel harm are not part of damage rotation unless you dont play jade wind in which case it still shoud be used defensivly 90% of the time. So I guess you just removing black out combo and playing the rotation not 100% correct results in a 10-20% dps loss in aoe if we dont count cd usage. Almost no loss in ST by shrinking it to some smart damage combos.
Lol you guys cant play brew.cthats for sure. When you dont even mention breath of fire wich reduces dmg taken by 5% or 10% if combo'd with blackout.
i just do open world stuff these days and i love playing DPS Guardian Druid most fun tank spec for me
I love what a guardian dread because it's fun. I'd item level 427 i did a +12 waycrest and +13 everbloom today. Wss tough but i did it.
If I used my cooldowns properly it wasn't really too much of a problem even on fortafied.
A couple of enemies hit a little harder than I would have liked, but overall not too bad. But I definitely need to get more item level before I try to go higher lol... I'm still wearing a couple of 412 pieces and 421 pieces.
What that said, with the build I'm using and when planned correctly I feel pretty tanky honestly. And I do like that with incarnation I'm basically invincible I can just spam frenzy regeneration and iron for up to eight stacks with the talents that I use. I do wish they made it to where regrowth would not take you out of bear form though. I think if you pick that talent to give you the instant proc.. It should make regrowth its own version and usable only in bear form.
I love the consecration casting animation, I don't want it gone
I want the new consecrate animation that we where supposed to get in BFA
I can’t fathom why they haven’t baked in the old Consecration glyph that made it pulse and reposition where you’re standing every second or so.
Because consecrate never used to have a dr attached to it when that glyph existed. It would be the equivalent of rushing Jade wind having a 20% dr as well as doing a lot of damage now. Which would be crazy OP
Prot Warrior, the one and only real tank!
fellow prot warr enjoyer
Absolutely! Always played warrior 💪awesome class.
I miss bfa warrior it felt amazing.
My hand arthritis does not appreciate the current warrior build but I’m having fun !
Warrior is the most boomer class out there xD
I just got back into the game and got Guardian Druid to max, unfortunate that it's not as fun rn compared to how it was because I've really been enjoying it even as is so I kinda wish I got to try how it felt prior :)
Same bro
Imagine parry being a reactive mchanic or button you know like an actual parry leaving the rng or broken part completely out ofthe gameplay enhancing the tank fantasy
That would be cool but it's not gonna work in m+ with 20 mobs on you
Fuck that please do not do that Jesus
Bear tank is fun becuz it's easy... zero stress in terms of role mechanics
Here I thought the most fun tank was the M1 Abrams or the Leopard.
Ignore pain is fun? I digress
Tanks for the video 😁
Decided on prot pally ms ret os.
Not regretting it at all. Coming from a BDK, prot pallys are tons less spikey thank god.
where we can get this wallpaper from the thumb?
I play all 3 monk specs. Wether they are S or F tier. Ill level alts and do low mythics with them but for high end content its only monk for me
Prot warrior rotation is a lot but still having fun, wish I could get some more single target DPS but you can’t have everything.
Tank you for this 😁
Concerning protection paladin and their consecration just change it back to what it used to and have it follow you around problem solved
Remember when you had to think and cc jobs instead of pulling everything and Zerg everything.
i am planning to main arcane mage (potentially fire), and planning to alt vengeance for m+. Ive always thought vengeance is very fun in m+ and i love having alot of control over the mobs
Would love rushing jade winds to be baked into crane spinning kick
Yeah 100% this. Having to keep pressing it just isn't fun at all.
Hey man would advice macro then 😅 would only be a half solution but it's something at least.
@@dennisjrgensen5142 would that work if it on cd
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This blood DK set, dreadwyrm in red colour, is it obtainable?
I think just adding something like consecration effects linger for x seconds would be awsome 🎉
I need to look at the rework DH but otherwise my warrior will still be my love ❤
Guys will you do guides for the new M+ season and bossguides for raid?😅
Does marcellion not do the videos anymore I don’t see him for many time
Meh. It’s all subjective. Bear to me (long time Bear) is incredibly boring to me but super fun for my friend, but it’s new to her. That’s another factor is the “shiny new toy” aspect. There’s a higher chance that a new tank will be more fun just simply cause it’s a new toolkit.
Brewmaster has always been the best and my favorite with DK as my very close second for a long time... until I had to switch my main off brew to play VDH for mythic sark since we lost our demon hunter... it's so fun but not as fun as brew
Finally, biceps 💪 list, thank you.
A classes viabilty should not be gaged on teir set, but rather on skill and knowledge base.
My most hope they gonna change mastery from concentration to shield of the righteous, same shit I hate on my main bdk.
How is your Spinning Crane Kick using the staff?
don't understand why is that a issue for a prot pally to play in consecration ? :P it's like ask a warrior to play without thunderclap ....
I'm gonna regret this comment .... :P
its impossbile to stay in a full time concecration in m+ keys especially in higher keys. you have to move so much and leaving your empowered concecration just feels bad. its super poweful but its poor to play sometimes because of the thing marcellian mentioned. you just overwrite it if you recast and thats bad (design)
Yo! What is the most fun in the raid?
Blood Death Knight is my personal choice and it's a lot of fun!
On proc pally I can’t keep my holy power up.
Tanks and have a good weekend :)
Both healers i tend to do raid and Mythic+ with hate both of my tanks (DK and Pala) where im good for a while and out of nowhere they have to panic heal and before they have finished the cast im good again from self heals.
I'm not gonna lie, in the last year I have had to change mains so often because of updates, nerfs, pvp modifiers, and I'm not even close to world class. I like that they are actioning the classes but every couple of weeks, a new review, a change to play styles, bots, scripting hacks, all of it... it has made the game not fun. Why play a holy palladin just to watch it get nerfed in pvp, why pvp when the unaddressed Druid cyclone spams still have little to no diminishing returns, why be a mage when all they do is lock you into aoe or insnaely complex or braindead single taget, there is so much more to complain about but the biggest, there is love for rogues, love for paladins, love for Demon Hunters but everyone else playing to game has to endure forced fun gates so the timmys of our world get a trophy.
What you say prot pala or prot warrior for s3
As in the best one? No clue, I would put my money on paladin tho
I hope so i do the same i equiped my pala now 440 atm but need more gear craftet gear for good start in s3 but one think i hate on pala is the squishy think for no cds when you know what i meen
This was expected for us bears. We can go back to the rare status of "Oh shit its a bear lol I didnt know they existed", Lol neither does Blizz, its ok. Bye FoTP rollers. Us old timers just know this is the way of things. Hot for one patch, then back to being boring. They need to give us a better rework.
Dont agree on the vengance parry thing. Vengance has like no issues surviving ST whatsoever. Theres no need for parry there anyway so to me thats a pure aoe defense anyway.
TANK LIST FIRDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!! WOOOOOOOO!
Will you be doing a DPS tier list when the patch is finalized for launch?
We already did, might do another revised one a bit later!
I really want to kove warrior but my pally just destroys and heals. I just dont know what to play cuz warrior is so fun.
its always like that. 1 tank class will always be god for 1 season then trash the next because of nerf. jeez i really wonder why they love doing this since the dawn of wow.
Wait, is Frost going to be good in 10.2 ??
It’s good now
Blood DK is the tankiest tank, he will be squishy next season? How?
Blood DK is by no means the tankiest tank :D
He is squishy in the same way he has always been squishy, has less upfront DR than most other tanks, if not all of them so Blood will normally be one of the first if not THE first tank to start being one shot.
@@MarcelianOnline "has always been squishy" Not always! During Cata and especially at the end of it, Blood DK was a GOD!💪
@@MarcelianOnline I think you are not playing with good blood dks man!
If you know how to play around the bone shield, you are the tankiest!
If you don´t know, yeah, life with this tank could be a roller coaster!
@@alessandrogentilI think you misunderstand the term squishy. Blood dks are very good but they are clearly the squishiest upfront. It’s not even debatable
Where's your other partner , we missing him , when is he going to comb back , join you ?
They are a lovely couple. Hope they are still together
Plot twist: Marcelian is not Flames father
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@@Zavonofcatsare they a couple?
What's dru bad meta?😢
It’s just dumb to have a patch called guardian and all those transmogs and the one tank called guardian will be benched
Play what you like buddy, All the tanks are great
The fact about Brewmasters having lots of abilities is that it means they can keep and hold aggro on huge packs easier than other tanks. That one went over your head lol.
Quit WoW but popping in to see if a Shaman was on the tank list. No? Popping out, carry on.
Why would it lol
@@erichall090909 nostalgia
@@erichall090909why? They can decide any day to give them 4th tanking spec...it's tanking in classic season of discovery along with warlocks so why not
Prot Pala? What the fuck.,..
Druid patch and they make druids boring lol
Yeah , blood flip flop tank … run in a group 20% than 100% next hit 20% you hit 100% … no thanks . what’s fun about a tank that does not has a save health pool . And oh boy don’t get me start with dmg form tanks . Tanks are there to tank the dps should do the dmg but nah with the hole timer thing that went out the window long ago sadly .
Ffs blizzard always fail don't fk bear
Fun is objective my guy
Second
almost as based as first
Lol dk “A” tier)))00 rofl it’s totsl boring shit man
Not for this guy my man :P
Love me some Blood DK
I don’t think parry doesn’t give 100% dr it’s more effective than blocking with a shield but not 100%
playing wow is really like eating shit mate.. they keep butchering specs again and again buffing nerfing like idiots this makes 0 just 0 senseits like i rewatch the same videos for guides or complaints for years