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- What BR do you think the F-4F ICE deserves?
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That F15 getting hit by that R73 was glorious
Saved me fr
R-73* but yeah that was fucking hilarious
@@mice6545 ah crap, thanks for pointing that out
@@mice6545 it's the same thing, grammar nazi
The problem that nobody is mentioning its that this plane gets the 12.7 BR due to the AIM-120 but it isnt getting the AIM-120 on a stock configuration so we are going to be relying on basically flight performance while researching modifications while facing frequent 13.0 battles.
What of the new aircraft have Fox3 on stock?
@@AZ-dj1ni No plane gets them stock, but the coment isn't about that.
Until you get the AIM-120 modification this plane is essentially an F-4F at 12.7.
You are expected to pay to unlock, obviously. The free to play business model assumes they playerbase are weak minded slaves to be milked
@@StrayGuard F-4F*
One the devserv the br change with ur load out
When Greek F-4E upgrade with AMRAAM now 🙏
YES LETS GO ΕΛΛΑΔΑΡΑΑΑΑΑ WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ECONOMY???!!!🇬🇷 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
Video released 2 minutes ago, comment from 8 hours ago..
@@Pelliq_EYT members 💪🏻
@@Skoodelly WE'RE GETTING INTO THE DEBT WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
As much as I hate to admit it if that would be added it would 100% be a premium
3:30 that f15j absolutely eating that friendly r73 was awesome
xd its the only moment when my crying face smiled (ima german main its over for me)
meanwhile belgian F-16 with 200+ flares and and 9M at 12.3 I hate how inconsistent gaijin is
"YeAh BuT No AmRaAm So MuSt Be LoWeR bR" ~ Gaijin Probably...
@BlueCloverOnline I mean yeah. The F15A has 9M and is 12.3
Yo wyd dying to IR missiles?
@@BlueCloverOnline not having fox-3's is going to be a really big competitive disadvantage, wouldn't really say that a "good flight model" justifies an aircraft being high up in br because 95% of the time flight performance does not matter at all
@@Brzzzyexe I'd love to disagree, I stock grinded the Mig29's and the Mig29 for Germany at 12.0 I rarely got missile kills till I go the R27. And even in the Mig29G a majority of my kills are gun
Me looking at that 12.3 f15 while this thing is at 12.7 🤡🤡💀💀
german mains need to bomb more in their toptier jets to lower its br like the F-15
Planes like this only make the BR compression problem more evident. In downtiers is going to dominate and in uptiers is going to get crushed.
If it ends up at 12.7 it will still suffer in downtiers. Even at 12.3 I don't see it goin anywhere really.
that's kinda how it is irl anyways. last gen airframes experience real life compression XD. That comes with the price of upgrading old stuff.
@@SteelxWolfWe aren't in real life. A game can be balanced by just changing stats, gaijin simply refuses to.
@@musicheaven1679 I know. I was just making a funny observation that that's what happens irl. its a real thing. its the price of upgrading old airframes as time goes on.
I was not arguing for BR compression because of that. I'm not sure how that's hard to understand by just reading what I said. I didnt say "Therefore it should stay that way" now did I?
This is such a trigger word for people that makes them go monkey brain and I find that very funny.
@@SteelxWolf too much realism isn't good for any game, even full on simulators. The ICE could work if they finally choose to decompress (which will never happen), remove player markers so that you could fully utilize the radar capabilities and the "support" plane aspect and reduce the player count.
i was laughing after i read Excellent flight characteristics. in the devblog for the ice xD
Abandon competitiveness, embrace the Phantom
The ICE is so bad I almost thought Gaijin would pull another "F-16AJ move" and give Germany an AMRAAM-equipped F-20 at 12.7 (West Germany tested the plane in the early 80's). Good luck flying this thing or the MIG-29G with only 60 countermeasures until the Typhoon arrives.
ngl 29G is miserable. missiles are like r-60m but more pull, it's really sad
@@xshadddStill better than Harrier and Tornado
You have j39 don't cry@@BugattiONE666
@@xshadddBeen playing it quite a lot recently, its not that bad. r73 IS FAR superior than r60m (basically the reason why gaijin didnt lowered it to 12.3 with f15, their words not mine). You need to pay attention and just hug the ground and play it like a rat works well for me.
thanks already started crying when I saw the thumbnail
Germany rly suffers... all the top tier planes have little countermeasures and with new multitasking and irccm we are going to need a lot 😢
They should have gave them a polish f16 but now there is 0 point in playing air for germany
Polish F-16 wouldn't make any sense. There really wasn't anything to be added to germany right now, they just gotta wait for eurofighter
@@potatouno the euro fighter is gonna be at least 6 months out they supposed to only use a f4 until then poland is under the german tree why not give them something as an actual placeholder to compete instead of a brick
@@Vengeance4308 I'm sorry, where is poland in german tree?
@@potatounoLeopard PL
@@theDarkside798 Oh, that's right, but i mean, leopard is literally german vehicle operated by Poland, f-16 is quite different, plus it couldn't be in TT, would need to be in squad research
This is why I don't get why people want the Mig 21 Bison to get R-77s, all giving it Fox 3s will do is put it in the same boat as this thing.
Yeah the bison is too high as is
Funny. When people complained about the mig29 & su27 having garbo radars and the FMs being extremely nerfed 90+% of responses were that flight performance didn't matter, as only the missiles themselves count for top tier. So I guess the same goes for the ICE: don't worry, people, it has awesome radar and missiles, FM doesn't matter at all because it's top tier, and if you can't perform it just means you're trash at the game.
Interestingly, the Gripen with it's casual 14Gs turns was by far the best plane in the previous patches, followed by F16s. Curious, ain't it? I'm just gonna watch the top tier manurefest for the next patches, as clearly it's pointless playing anything but USA & Gripens.
P.S.: 5 nation player.
come on man, there's a difference between an 80's air frame flight performance, and a 60's air frame flight performance....
Gripen is best because of multipathing abuse and one metric ton of flares/chaff. It simply makes incoming missiles useless
One relatively easy solution for the armament problem would be giving this thing stock AIM-9L/i, with AIM-9L/i-1 (the same but with a smokeless engine) being the unlockable upgrade. Another option would be giving it 2 free AIM-120A/B stock, with the upgrade allowing you to carry 4. Being honest, if all the functionalities and weapons of the ICE are properly implemented, it shouldn't be terrible as a 12.7, just painfully mid
The I-1 doesn’t have a smokeless engine.
F4F Ice Phantom hopium over
Kurnass Super phantom hopium starts
real
Super hopium you might even say.
What weaponry should it get?
why is this 12.7 when (iirc) the f15a is 12.3.....
Because the f15 has to be undertiered forever
Because it has fox 3s that would ruin any tier below 12.7, that’s why. You still have Aim-120s for goodness sake. Add on the Aim9M with smoke it’ll be fine. Top tier isn’t about dogfighting anyways. Say fast you’ll be fine.
because there is rarely a player that has above 2.0 kd in an F15A, because the F15A is not realy up with the other top tier jets.
Because US mains are brainrotten, that's why 😂😂😂
@@mikeyplayz8438 That's BS. By that logic the F-14A and B should be 12.7 and those planes (A sits a full BR down and B a 0.7 difference) have way better flight performance (in the case of the B, way more CMs). If you give the F-14B AIM-9Ms it'll easily be 12.7 already.
I think it’s a great addition to the game, slamming people out of the air with “the lead sled” will be hilarious
Im not worried about the 13.0s it's gonna be fighting. Im worried about the 13.7s itll fight in the future.
Yeah, top tier is a black hole that suck everyting in to an uptier.
F4F ICE vs F22 place your bets everyone!
We need the eurofighter 😊
I just don't get why France with very capable Mirages got all the Benelux vehicles and Germany with a huge gap between planes gets the ICE.
Russia don't like Germany 😊
Because germany only has gaps at high BRs. And france only has good planes at high BRs.
At low to middle BRs, the roles are switched. Even by number germany has way more aircraft than france.
Now adding a few benelux aircraft to germany would be fine, but an entire subtree is too much
@@jackgamer6307 I completely agree that France lower tiers are in a need of more vehicles, but a few Benelux vehicles for Germany would very easily solve an issue Gaijin created.
@@adamrousek2200the Netherlands going to France is stupid as hell since the Netherlands military is literally interwoven with the Germans
@@jackgamer6307 ngl, the gaps in France would be fixed if Gaijin just fucking added all the shit the French had..
3:32 average R-73 launch
No hmd is crazy I thought the whole point of having a 2 seater jet was so the pilot can fly and the co pilot can make locks
No? Lol, the point of a two seater is to have a WSO in the back while the pilot in the front focused on flying the plane. Two seaters weren't designed with just hmd in mind.
Cutting multipath height in half will be the biggest mistake Gaijin has ever done. F14s and their AIM54s will become even worse than they already are.
The F4 ice will really struggle going up against top-tiers, not much going for it other than modern missiles
meanwhile footage of seek destroying the enemy team in F4 ICE:
In my opinion.. good enough
F15 is 12.3 and this is 12.7? Lmao
12.0 imo is where the 3.5 gens with Fox 3s should sit. the F14B is solid because of the buff to the 54C. 2 54s and 4 sparrows is a solid combination without breaking anything. The F4 ICE, JA37D, Tornado F3 Late. would be fine. they only get 4 AIM120s on last gen airframes. 12.3 would make more sense because of the downtiers but Gaijin needs 13.3 for that. Which should have already happened
That Su team kill when you dogged it though 😂❤
Feels like it would fit in a hypothetical 12.5 (?
.. Overall we just need decompression.
Or maybe a change on how the BR system works. Maybe adding BR steps x.5, and replacing the full uptiers and downtiers we got right now to only be able to see up to two BR steps above or below.
just chage the br system to +-0.7/0.6 from the original +-1.0 MM, instant decompression
Germany suffers
Good
Fr
But fr this time
I reckon moving up to 13.3 for the top top tier would be the best move to balance around this thing
The Tornado F.3 is only good on its amount of flares. Its gonna be hell.
The only reason why I will get the F-4F ICE is so I can nearly spade it out for when the Eurofighter Typhoon comes (hopefully december)
You can pray for an f-18 end of the year, not an eurofighter
The only reason this thing suffers is cause Gaijin refuses to move it down. It would be perfectly fine at 12.0 or even 12.3, but they just won’t move it down. In no way is this thing better than the F15As.
Now, I’ve heard people arguing that “it’ll bully the 11.3s if it gets moved down.” Okay, tell me which ones? The MiG23? The F4S? Well yeah, if you are brain dead and use the F4S as a bomber, you gonna get bullied.
And for those saying “No you can’t put AMRAAMS at 12.3” the J8F is at 12.3 and has R77s, and F14 is at 12.0 with Phoenixs. Both of those have a much better flight model too.
if the ice goes to 12.3, then the new harriers with amraam would have to go to 12.0, because they are just worse than the phantom in every single way...
stop coping, germany will get a top tier meta thing soon, you had the best thing ever, the mig29 g for so long, germany doesnt need the best thing ever for every update, now you can feel how other smaller nations felt when they had nothing top tier
@@kierano8390 So wait, lemme get this straight. Your argument for why the F4F ICE should stay 12.7 is because "The harriers would need to move down" and "Germany has the MiG29G." You're pulling my leg, right? I fully agree, 12.3 Harrier does seem stupid. But complaining about the MiG29G? Brother, did you forget we got that an update late for zero reason? Did you forget that its flight model is nerfed into the ground right now? The MiG29G hasn't been meta since they added the Gripens and F15s my friend. That was 2 months. It was meta for a single update. "Now you can feel how the smaller nations felt" brother Germany HAS been feeling that. We are well acquainted with that.
Also, this isn't about making the F4F ICE meta, its about making it actually playable. Low countermeasures, 1960s airframe. No way in hell this thing should be the same BR as the Gripen and Su27, and a higher BR than the F15As.
@@kierano8390 The argument that certain nations should suffer so they can feel how minor nations felt is incredibly stupid. No nation should be unplayable because gaijin can't balance things
downtiers at 12.0 while you have fox-3's and a serviceable flight model would be an absolute fucking joke, ig by technicality the phoenix is a fox-3 but holy fuck you'd have to be completely braindead to be killed by one, fox-3's only serve to show how fucking poorly br compression is
alright then, time to wait for the Typhoon or the swiss F/A-18 so we wont be completely useless
I mean... It's gonna be one of the funnest planes to do good in. The achievement
Thanks for the one cockpit frame you snuk in there :D now they got it right so far, but put in the wrong pipper... Can Gaijin do anything right?! xDD
as a huge phantom enjoyer i cant wait for this thing
This thing needs to be lower in br. 12.3 would be nice. But Gaijin won’t do it. They have it high simply because it’s a missile truck. Same reason why the lower tier phantoms are 11.3 when honestly they F4E at 11.0 should really have aim 9Ls. Also maybe the F4s ok F4J. They won’t make they better just due to the fact it’s a missile truck with dog shit flight performance
Yeah, that 11.0-11.3 jump is huge for most of the nations. Take mig23m vs mig23mla/mld
It would require the BR’s of those planes be increased.
I think modifications should change your br so it would be better for planes like this where if you don’t bring aim120s your br will be lower and for stock grinding for some top tier jets would be easier. Like for example if you want to stock grind the f16c it will be a br of 11.7 but a fully upgraded f16c it might be 12.7.
I would say the F4G is the most anticipated variant. Hopefully ARMs are the next mechanic focus
dayum thats the coolest decal for a cc
Hope that the Swiss F/A-18 gets added to the German TT next update
why de hell pd hard lock jumps to chaff? did they broke them again? i want to understand how pd can lock onto clutter in the first place
first thing im getting are the mica's gonna be fun forsure!
Thank god I have France fully grinded and am currently spading the F-15A.
this is the only plane in Germany with fox 3s 😭
Its okay, in the future when we get 13.7 this F-4 will have a good spot just like the 11.0 and 11.3 planes currently.
I hoped that this aircraft will fill the lack of aircraft with air-to-ground capabilities in the german tree, But I think that won't be the case.
Still waiting for the Yak-141 to get R-77s and 73's
At least all the other countries get a gen 4 fox 3 platform. Pray for us German mains
I am almost certain that germany will get a swiss sub-tree with F18.
I hope
It could carry the IRIS-T so maaabyyyy…at least it wouldn’t be the worst jet anymore.
IRIS-T isnt in game, no use in theories on how it could be good
Now I kinda wanna watch the F-4F ICE and Tornado F.3 Late in some 1v1s…
F-4F ICE with AMRAAM only and AIM-9L(i) sits at 12.7 (same br as F-15C/J Kai and higher than F-15A and F-15J) while only having 90 CMs on a platform that's just not competitive at all at the BR is utterly ridiculous. It should be 12.3 at most with the F-15As, Baz and F-15J being at 12.7 while the newer F-15s with HMS at 13.0.
New f15s are 13.0, and although moving it down to 12.3 is a bad decision, itll be funny to see f4s players complaining about f4f ices every match
@@JoshX9706 They finally moved it up? Good. At first they were 12.7 which is mind boggling considering the F-4F ICE sits at the same BR.
@@mayonotes9849 I believe they were always marked as 13.0, it’s just 12.7 as default br and 13.0 for air rb
Apparently goes to 11.7 in GRB so probably a really good counter CAS aircraft
that'll be good but it'll still be awful in air especially when I bet it doesn't start with any anti ground weapons
I’ll take a more positive route with this.
Yeah it sucks now but that means literally the only other fighter we can get next in the EF2000. Which I think will come around christmas or the 3 major updates starting from fall to Christmas.
And even then the F4F ice isn’t completely shit, where is lacks in exceptional flight performance vs the F16 F15 ect, it gains in being an easy airframe to control.
Its kinda like how the F16A can do alot more than the mig29 yet the mig29 was easier to fly.
I used this alot having to 1v1 F15s in my F4J (UK) and won many fights because the average F15 players was dogshit and didn’t understand their plane, which most don’t.
So while we dont turn as hard we usually don’t also G lock ourselves and can take advantage of it.
So for now its a decent missile slinger and if you know what you’re doing, you’ll still win against the average joe.
i love this phantoms. would play 9/10!
Can't wait for 12.3 PL-12s on the J-8F 💪
World of Tanks maintains average 1/3 of of matches on every tier you can play ( eg. tier 8 tank plays at tiers 8,9,10 equal number of games) and limits number of tanks on every tier in battle (eg. when you play T8 tank you will face 3 T10 and 5 T9 out of 15 in total). Unless tank sucks in general, nobody cares if it struggles in uptier. Top tiers are happy, because they get to slam everybody and, mid tiers and downtiers are happy because they make up majority and are still competitive.
I wish Gaijin took a page from Wargaming's playbook and did similar thing.
Wait... It's engines are straight with the fuselage instead of angled down?
This is just the F-4 equivalent of the F-104S.ASA
The zaza is super fun so I bet this won't be that painful just hard to play
I legit main the salsa, it's my favorite aircraft, I have 700 battles in it. I have a blast with it, but it's not for everybody. Whatever you do, don't get me started about it's lack of ECM.
im an phantom fan but im kinda curious if the ice variant has a head mounted radar sight like the f16 mig29 etc has..
would be a big bummer if not !
no head mounted radar
As someone who has been suffering with the ice on dev. It does not have any sort of hmd and hms.
@@Migthunder to bad !
this reduces the combat efficienzy for sure !
At 4:54, he changes the acm crosshair to a different one. How do you even do that?
When gaijin gonna add EW pods to jets that can jam radar and ARH missiles?
hopefully not till 15.0 or more is the max br. That would ruin vehicles that rely on radar missiles
if the ICE is coming to the game, maybe the kai can get its aam3s
We just need dynamic BR changes which are loadout dependent and we're set.
I’d be fine with this thing at 12.3, it gets better radar missiles than the F-15A with a side grade Fox 2, and substantially worse flight performance with far fewer countermeasures.
I would like to present the Sea Harrier FA.2
So the F14B stays 12.0, but F4F ICE gets 12.7. Gaijin devs dont play the game...
Yeah, just request to gaijin to replace or remove Aim-120🤷
@@AZ-dj1ni F14B can carry 6 pheonix, has a better flight model and way more flares...
It has 9ls with zero iccm and aim 54s are not as good as the 120s
@@siett1335 For now the F4F ICE only gets normal aim9l too. And the F14B has 800 countermeassures and the better flight model. Btw AV8 plus gets 4 aim9m at 11.7.
@@MisterMustache12 false, they get a 9m without it's smokeless motor and flight models mean jack shit in about 95% of games played in the confides of matches
just sorta feel like this could've been released with even aim120's a few patches before
Let's see where this comes from...
Germany updated some Phantoms to this level until Typhoon's introduction that was ...already late. The major thing, they wanted an AMRAAM carrier... because they didn't have any western plane capable of BVR anyway and especially with ARH missiles that were introduced some years before and they were going to be the "go to" option. Well, in some terms it was for training as well (pretty logical) because the Typhoon would have ARH/BVR as a standard and pilots need to train to that kind as well, so by the time EF introduced , at least some of them knew how to operate AMRAAM and also the ground stuff how to handle and maintain them. And the whole "training" thing...yes it's expensive...so you want to save time and money.
When Greece upgraded theirs to a pretty similar level, the thing was the AMRAAM. They just wanted more AMRAAM capable planes ... It was more "in case of need, break the glass" solution. With AMRAAM they will go up, shoot and gtfo... they won't tangle with 16s or anything of any origin called a fighter and is 4th gen or above.
And while Turkey didn't upgrade to that level of A-A (no AMRAAM) , they did HUGE upgrades on A-G equipment, they can even carry Popeye missile!! Which is impressive! Because, Phantom can carry heavy load in general, it was still useful for this.
So what to expect in the game? Is it on par with F-16s/15s (even 14B) or Su27s or 29SMT... plain and simple.... NO. It's a missile truck. It's good for what it is. Take it as... a spicy little(big) thing, as an option...not as a solution. Would be fun to try and make it work...it will work...as it was supposed to work. Which means ...yeet and yeet....
not to even speak of the Harrier FA.2 lmao
subsonic AIM-120s but without any modern ground strike capability
Maybe they will add the super modern J7 if we have this
Will still outdogfight the Su-27 and the MiG-29SMT.
Na
Su-27 will kill it after 1 turn
Ofc... you just have to 3d party them. you won, you outdogfight them...
I didn't see him stating 1v1, so he is technically right...
@@UchihaMadaraGrthats not really dogfighting
And stock grind with stock phantom performance and 2 aim9L xD
should be 12.3
I mean getting a harrier at top tier with AMRAAM will be interstong too.
the harrier is at 12.3 tho, thats a middle ground between uptiers and downtiers. 12.7 doesn't really have a downtier rn so all you'll face is uptiers
Is there any way for me to get your decal on playstation?
I cant wait for the a6m8
Yeah Germany really anticipated it but now it's now DOA Dead. On. The. Spot. It should've been added earlier
Needs to be 12.3 and itll be fine imo. F-4 is an old airframe by that point and having ARH can only get you so far on the F-4. The same was true for the EJ Kai. Old airframe with updated ATA weapons can get you close but not on the same level as something such as the F-15J that replaced it. Maybe even 12.0 depending on how the ICE preforms in live matches.
You still have Aim-120s for goodness sake. Add on the Aim9M with smoke it’ll be fine. Top tier isn’t about dogfighting anyways. Say fast you’ll be fine.
I can’t think of a single reason why I’d want to play the F4F over the F15A other than the amraam tbh. But the F15A is 12.3, not 12.7…
@@mikeyplayz8438 Never said it was. Having a good airframe vs a great airframe can make a difference. We're talking about Flankers, F-16s, MiG-29s, F-15s, Mirage's, Gripens, etc. vs a 60s airframe. Staying fast isn't always an option with the constant maneuvering and cutting/applying the throttle with countermeasures to evade missiles. Having the power of these new airframes is definitely an advantage.
@@SeekerHead Yeah and it does just was well as the 16C with 2 more missiles, if not better thanks to the lower br giving more downtiers on those rare occasions. The F15 in a downtier beats people like an abusive father.
@@HEATSEEKR there’s the problem. You’re playing the Phantom wrong. You shouldn’t really be in a place where you have to flare multiple irccm missiles. Stay out the fireball and stay of the outskirts. Sideclimb and fire from afar. Stay above everyone.
It seems gajin really hates the phantom, and that’s personal for me, it’s my favorite
Sucked up vs going down. Got it.
Gaijin refusing to add actually competitive plane like swiss F18 becuase it's US made so they add inferior US made F4. What else you need to know :P It's easier to copy paste a vehicle model, buff FM a little, change a weapon systems and call it brand new plane. The same story with ALOT of vehicles
My friend pre-ordered me Brazilian AMX will it be good?
You have a very kind friend, but never pre-order anything!
Obease lead sled vs 4th gen jets
i have no idea why german mains thought this would be a good addition for germany
Almost like we asked for it years ago and at a competitive br..
Well, other than the E.German Mig 29, Germany didn't really have a top tier fighter. Especially if you grinded the F4F line. It was the next logical vehicle in the line, but the BR choice that gaijin made is very questionable.
Wan me to be honest with you? Its a historical plane and was obligatory sadly we cant change that now with this plane out of the way we can get what we really wan: the eurofighter TYPHOON
My germany buddy keeps going "next step for us is the typhoon"
Everyone just goes you're coping because he is
Now, here's a real idea: Fully add the Swiss into the tree. They have a decent BR curve, and they can jump from F5's to the F18, which would be a perfect way to implement the F18 to other tech trees as well.
i agree it should honestly be 12.3
F4E should be 10.7, A6E should honestly go back to 10.0 its slow crap that snaps constantly now, AH1W needs to go down to 10.3
Oh58D should be 10.0 and Ah-6M should be 9.7, Ah1F needs to go down to 9.3 and the US one needs CMs added (why tf doesn't it have them like everyone elses does?)
us Blackhawk is trash and needs to go down to 10.7 where it belongs.
honestly theirs like 30948093 vehicles that need BR changes/fixes, the game is pretty bad.
Great gajin 😂😂 phantom vs f16 mig 27 f15 😂😂😂
“It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot.”
1v1 a Su-27. Not even the Su27sm, just the standard su27, or maybe the mig29smt/g. oh wait you lose in 9/10 cases? must be your fault
Worst phrase in the entire game
It’s because they only raised the br cap by .3
12.3 like the harriers
what BR for ICE?
let's not forget F-4E is 11.0. I very much doubt AIM-120 would justify a +1.7 BR considering Gaijin is going to make it defeatable somehow anyway.
I personally am very new and not even to the jets at all but I'd imagine more like 12.0 max.
its 11.7 so yeeahhh
in a perfect world br's are balanced but you have objectively better aircraft at the same br or such a big jump in performance for only a .3 jump it's not even funny they needed to add 14.0 and change the core gameplay of air rb to a 2/3 spawn ec match with multiple objectives to complete instead ofthe dogshit matches where people fly at 14 other people and they all spam missiles at each other
Quando fazer uma jogatina com o jato, use sua melhor versão do aim-9li, porque dessa maneira e esculacho
Gaijin still not biased😂
Just decrease multipathing, reduce match sizes and make bigger maps for top tier
Cant wait for the multipathing change. No more skill free crutches.
it's still gonna be in the game lol
imagine a 70 year old plane being top tier.