Why I'm not Amyraldian - KingdomCraft
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Jesus died for all mankind. It is mankind that rejected God, and therefore Jesus. If that were the end of the story Jesus's death and resurrection would have been only a hypothetical salvation for humanity. However God in His love also made it possible for us to know, love and follow Jesus. That is what makes his resurrection have effect in our lives.
Jesus died for everyone. People choose their fate. I believe it was C.S. Lewis who said something like, "The doors to hell are locked from the inside." Jesus wants all to be saved and gave us all free will and we are all chosen by God to be children of Him and go to heaven and become saints. I'm a Roman Catholic and it makes a lot of sense to me. I would look further into it than my explanation.
I'm really glad I wasn't taught Calvinism when I was becoming a Christian and learning more about the doctrines and theology behind it. I really struggled with finding my faith for a while, and I could definitely have seen myself throwing up my arms and saying "Welp! I guess I'm just not predestined to be saved!" And leaving it at that. Luckily I knew it came down to my God-given freewill. Couldn't imagine believing in Calvinism, but that's just my opinion I guess.
I believe God is truly omniscient and incapable of making the wrong decision about anything, so I've got no problems with "Calvinism" to be honest.
By "omniscient" I mean God knows all without having to "learn" anything by looking into the future to find out what his own creation is going to do, that would be kind of like throwing a surprise party for yourself or hiding your own Easter eggs.
@greglejacques1094 Sorry to disappoint you but I know exactly what to do when some kid attempts to pick an internet fight with me.
This is literally the only reason I am not Presbyterian. Their views on other parts of Christian theology is so completely theologically sound that it boggles my mind when I hear their ideas on predestination.
Same here.
I've been trying to reconnect in religion and a lot of Presbyterian sounds sound, but whenever I hear of predestination, it feels so wrong...
Thank God facts don't care about your feelings.@@UnitedStatesSpaceForce
Then what? Lutheranism? Methodism?
@@MeanBeanComedy I grew up Lutheran and I also agree with a lot of Lutheran theology, but I consider myself interdenominational, since my theology doesn’t really fall neatly anywhere
"Atheist" stoic philosophy viewer here
The plain text of scripture clearly says Jesus died for all of Mankind
God may have made people who wouldn't accept his grace, but it is FOR all of humanity
Faith alone is a requirement to accept grace, the faith of depraved mortals doesn't "create" the grace, its simply God's mercy
An atheist who understands the Bible????!!! This is on point!
stoicism is peak cringe.
I’m probably around the same age as you a through and through zoomer, went through my leftist arch and all that. I’ve been attending a Bible Baptist Church in my area recently after starting to watch your videos around April and really exploring my faith and understanding of the Bible as the word of God and as a text to live by example from. I love Theology as a subject and I love debating concepts with my pastor and family etc. Big thanks to you for steering our generation on the right path and God bless
halleluja
submit to Rome, though
@@deutschermichel5807 hallelujah
stay Baptist under God, though
@@GamelorianHallelujah!
Maybe become Presbyterian, though.
Scripture couldn’t be more clear that Jesus died for everyone. It doesn’t just say every ‘kind’ of person that has to be inserted into many passages
Given that you are getting this from a translation of the Bible into another language, the greek word for "world" is sometimes used to refer to people without distinction rather than without exception. One example is John 12:19. kind is not added to the text, it is within its context
@@jaxonspage4514 sometimes but surely not every time. This and similar language is used so often in the NT. What would scripture have to say to convince you it’s for everybody? Bc imo it couldn’t be more clear
@@jaxonspage45141 John 2:2 1 Timothy 4:10
*Ya gotta be Lutheran, subscribed to the book of Concordia of course*
I was trying to figure out more about this a couple weeks ago, but most of it was super technical and went over my head so I'm glad you made this.
This is probably why i have the most criticism towards five point calvinists than towards any other trinitarian christian denomination
It would be out of character for God to choose who would be saved. It would be like if a father had five children and he randomly picked three children to be punished all their lives for what they did and the two others to not be punished at all. It just doesn't make sense. The Bible says that He isn't willing that any should perish(not a direct quote). Predestination is just God foreknowing so will be saved and then sending the Spirit to them. 2 Corinthians 5:14-15 (KJV) For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all(does not say the elect, but all), then were all dead: And that he died for all(does not say the elect, but all), that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
Only the elect are children of God's, see John 1.12.
@@wintershreve2056John 1:12-13 doesn't prove that. It says who are born of God. Not who believe by the will of God. people choose to believe. Romans 4:20-24
“He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
John 1:10-13 KJV
It doesn't say “which believe, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
God is the Judge of the non elect and the Father of the Elect.
I agree with you
@@pedroguimaraes6094 all of physical Israel was elected but not all of Israel was saved. Elect doesn't mean chosen to be saved. It is usually referring to the election of the saints to receive blessings/perks of salvation like glorified bodies or election to service.
I used to be very firmly in the Reformed camp but every time I watch your videos I become more convinced of being a Baptist
Try Assemblies of God if there's not a good Baptist church in your area. Some are worldly but the ones that balance how down to earth they are with there teachings are honestly some of the best Christians I've known. Catholics are pretty cool at least on paper
@@ebeleingram8048 oh thank you but I’m at a great Baptist church. Didn’t mean to confuse you. I’m just even more strongly convicted 😊
why?
bible: this is my body and this is my blood
baptist: just kidding its not really my blood and i was just joking about it being my body
@@yvonetubla7682 man how did I miss that?
Let me graft myself into this vine
So if the Bible says "dies for the whole world" I guess we can just define what world means
Read that in order please.
Christ's sacrificial and intercessory work as high priest is for those the Father had given Him, not for the world:
John.17:1 - John.17:11 (NKJ)
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.4 "I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.5 "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.6 "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.7 "Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You.8 "For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.9 "I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.10 "And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.11 "Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
John.17:20 - John.17:20 (NKJ)
20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
John.17:24 - John.17:26 (NKJ)
24 "Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.25 "O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me.26 "And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
Heb.2:17 - Heb.2:17 (NKJ)
17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
Heb.3:1 - Heb.3:1 (NKJ)
1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus,
Heb.9:28 - Heb.9:28 (NKJ)
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
For more about the TULIP: www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm#limited
Welcome to Calvinism.
Watch out for the out of context verses Calvinists throw at you, the verse provided by the first commenter is in the context that Jesus was praying for the apostles, that verse is not talking about salvation. The reason why Jesus is praying for them is because He was about to go back to heaven and leave earth, and He prayed for the apostles in their ministry of gospel preaching.
No we can't, that is why we are calvinists. We cannot just assume that the new testament writers used words in the same way we do, and in trying to understand their original meaning we cannot come to any other conclusion than calvinism
@@jokinghazard4022 what does that even mean? Also, Calvinism as a concept is contradictory to the Bible, logic and moral understanding, one may interpret verses as they deem appropriate, but their conclusions, if violating or contradicting other passages and verses, as well as our understanding of things in general, then one must re-evaluate their interpretation.
I love your nerdy theology topic videos.
Orthodox Christians reject the Filioque btw.
He knows. He's made a video of it.
RZ, can you redpill your watchers on the Scofield Reference Bible that began the Dispensationalist Evangelical movement?
Second that
@@ExNihiloComesNothingThird that
Not sure what that means but I 4th that just because I want more red pills
Can you do a video addressing homosexuality, it would be very useful?
1:10 my problem with this is that it goes opposite to Ephesians 2:8 “by grace through faith”. By saying that we only have faith by the spirit of God, you essentially say that we are saved by faith through grace, which is not what scripture says. We are saved by the work of the spirit (the grace of God) through our faith, that is, we have faith and and God extends his grace, by which we are saved. Our faith doesn’t save us, it never has, it is God alone by his grace alone, not by our faith but through it.
Yesssss! This is so on point! Been saying that faith is never said to be a gift in Ephesians 2:8, especially since the following verse uses the word it instead of these, and we all know that grace is a gift, so it must be referring to grace itself.
Faith itself is a gift of grace. God's grace creates faith in people. I do not see how what RZ said is in any conflict with this.
Hey, I’m starting this thing called The Redeemed Zoomers.
A group of gen zer Christian’s trying to lead our lost generation back to Christ. It’s just me right now but I’m hoping to make this a thing. ❤
Sounds nice
I am so inspired by your videos of you explaining about theology of different Christian denominations while playing Minecraft, so I decided to make my own, but I won't be revealing my voice. I'll be using captions while I am playing Minecraft, too. God bless you!
I personally tend to subscribe to the view that forgiveness is for everyone, however, God looked at all possible scenarios for every possible action in every possible timeline, and chose the one in which the most people freely choose to come to Christ (thus bringing him glory), even if that means that some will not be saved. However, those that will not be saved in this reality would never have responded to the call of God's grace in any possible timeline. Now I know that this is not a salvation issue, or an concept explicitly stated in the Bible, therefore I will not die on this hill. I am open to many other viewpoints, so long as it is not heresy.
Pretty much identical to my viewpoint on the topic, those who aren't saved haven't been denied grace, they have rejected it and God already knew they would reject it
pharoah's heart was hardened by The LORD because he kept rejecting the Spirit of the LORD's convictions on his consciences. i think the same for people in any branches of time going forward, the people had rejected God even in the past so many times that their hearts have hardened to the point of making a final and total decision of "I don't care, I'll never Follow your God" making their hearts irredeemable because they make a final free decision that no matter what happens it's never gonna happen. which is why to me hell exist because why would God Force someone who doesn't Love him or doesn't want to be with him for all of eternity. God Loves them enough to let them leave him behind.
Your concept isn't that bad it just needs some adjustments. There is only one timeline and God knows it. However, just because God knows it does not mean we lack free will to accept God's gift or pray for a miracle. It just means he's already seen the action we will take. For us not to have free will he would have to interfere in our lives at a high rate
First of all, thanks for the work you do and the videos you put out :)
Secondly, do you have specific bible verses in mind which could be used to justify a covenant of redemption (within the trinity)?
Because I find it hard to get my head around this idea. Thanks in advance
I know you disagree with it but I do want to thank you for talking about this subject. It was through some of your earlier videos that I discovered that Amyraldianism is where I mostly line up theology wise. Never heard the term before you introduced it to me in a previous video
Great sharing :-)
I'd recommend R.C. Sprouls "What is Reformed Theology", I found it helpful.
hmm to me i find it difficult to take in. why is it that those who are saved are to voice out their faith and spread the news to the ends of the earth if only the select are saved.
but i think "whosoever believes..." is a sense are saved so i see it as some are selected by God to be saved and share to everyone in the world but those to believe in that message and accepts the gift are also saved. but those who haven't arent.
because i don't see it how it can ONLY be predestination of the saints but why share the gospel? why evangelism? why doesn't God just predestined all to be saved? how can those who are predestined have "Love" if the Holy Spirit itself makes them Love God how can it be Love if it was never freely given?
but total unlimited atonement, even to atone the sin of unbelief is unbiblical.
Mr. Zoomer, If (according to Calvanism) god decides who will be saved and who will not be, doesn't that mean Jesus didn't die to save everyone?
That is what calvanists believe if I understand this video
You are correct, Jesus did not die for those who end up rejecting the gift of life.
Calvinists, being logical people, argue that if some are found in hell, that is not saved, then the redemption of Christ didn't work for them. But if Christ's sacrifice is all-sufficient, then this cannot occur, since all sins are effectively forgiven; but it manifestly will, so paradox.
There are two ways of approaching a solution: either some were always going to be damned, or there is the possibility of human rejection of salvation. Calvinists tend to think that human rejection is impossible, so they are only left with limited salvation.
@@jeremywilliams5107 calvanists think that human rejection is impossible? The same calvanists who read the same Bible that outlines a near constant human rejection of God all the way back?
@jasonwoods2802 By their reasoning, if you're saved you _can't_ be lost, as it's all predetermined. The guy who made this video also made another that outlines these differences.
Predestination is absolutely satanic and compatabilism is a cope
Calvinistic predestination is satanic, but biblical predestination do exist
@@sttech4471 there is no such thing as biblical predestination.
@@SirMemesAlot71 read Ephesians 1:1-7 and Romans 8:28-30
@@sttech4471 those verses aren’t talking about who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. It’s talking about God choosing to have humans administer over the creation instead of angels before He created the world. Humans were predestined to rule over creation instead of Angels was what Saint Paul meant.
@@SirMemesAlot71 not liking Calvinism shouldn’t be a blockade to interpret scripture away from predestination when it is clearly stated
Redeemed Zoomer;
If you see this would you mind telling me what the name of the real church on your channel banner is? It is a very beautiful church, I love me some beautiful architecture.
Thanks, Zoomer! I'll be the first to admit that I haven't read many books about theology, but right now I hold a loose Amyraldian belief because of verses like "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world." - 1 John 2:2. What's your take on this verse? Also, that's a solid point you raised about limited atonement being consistent in covenant theology, but is Amyraldianism necessarily inconsistent? The Father chooses who is saved, the Spirit leads the chosen people to faith and the Son is the way for the chosen to be saved. Thanks for making me think.
The counter argument I usually hear is that the verse means the elect scattered around the world.
I've heard that John is writing to Jewish believers so he's saying that God died for gentiles as well as Jews.
what minecraft shaders do you use for your thumbnails please i have to know 😭
If the framework that Reformed traditions use to view the Bible is Covenant Theology and the framework that Lutherans use is Law and Gospel what would you say is the framework that the Anglican Church, the Roman Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox use respectively?
They just use tradition to interpret Scripture. Since Lutherans and Reformed believe in Sola Scriptura, they need a method for understanding how the Bible interprets itself
I have a question:
If Father elects a soul to be saved and Jesus redeems this soul, how it works in the immediate time after the death and resurrection of our Lord? Because as I think we do not believe in the pre-existence of the soul, so, how the atonement grows to the new-created soul?
Would you consider doing a why I’m not Oriental Orthodox video? I’d like to hear your take on Miaphysitism.
Helpful tip: Chalcedonian (Mainstream) Churches see Christ’s dual nature like water and oil in the same vessel. Separated, but still one person. Monophysites sees Christ like wine, where all the components are mixed together into one homogeneous fluid.
For all the viewers here, some things to clear up concerning how Calvinists view grace and how it affects their thinking of Jesus’ atonement:
1. In Calvinism, grace is given, not offered, since they believe faith is given by God as a gift, then they view faith as a grace, and thus there is no offer of grace as God plays both the giver and accepter part in salvation.
2. Since they view grace in the way that I have mentioned, they do not see grace as an offer, and thus, they believe the atonement was limited and not for all.
3. Limited atonement is a required point if one believes in unconditional election, since a Calvinist would say that a non-elect will never have the possibility to believe in their lifetime.
Problems with this view:
1. The responsibility of our faith is put on God
2. Jesus didn’t die for all and thus doesn’t love all(at least equally)
3. God is unjust and cruel to His creation
4. The whole purpose of Jesus’ death was so that we have a way to salvation other than by law(which is impossible for us to achieve), so why did God provide a way to salvation(through faith in Jesus) when even that is something we can’t do?
Thanks for reading this, and if you’re curious on the Biblical view of salvation, please check out Soteriology101(Leighton Flowers)
What Genevan Psalter Playlist do you use? I want to find and listen to it lol.
genevanpsalter.com
@redeemedZoomer Video request: I'd love to hear your thoughts about your college/ classroom/ college ministry experiences. Where do you go to school and how to you best live out the Christian life on your campus. I'll be heading to a secular/ leftist university soon and think other students would benefit from your thoughts. -Thanks much!
As a LCMS, Calvinism seems to deny the central tenets of Christianity and directly contradicts John 3:16.
Completely agree. fellow LCMS
What is a LCMS
@@jasonwoods2802 Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod
If God is omnipotent (which he is) and Omniscient (which he is) then he knows whether humans will reject the free gift of grace or not before they do (this is the basic concept of predestination). If God knows what we will choose regarding grace, why would he make Jesus die for the sins of those whom he knows won't accept it?
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandlepredestination≠foreknowledge, if Jesus did not die for a person, then that person didn’t reject any offer of salvation, because Jesus actually rejected that person first.
This was a really great video and I enjoyed the discussion of Covenant theology vs Lutheran Law/Gospel Theology. Is there any chance you might consider doing some videos exploring in a bit of depth what the theological frameworks of the different denominations are and talking about where you agree / disagree with them? I just feel like that could be a really interesting topic to explore, and also help Christians of different denominations better understand each others' beliefs. I like your previous denominational comparison videos but they're necessarily a bit brief in what aspects of each denomination they discuss, and the "Why I'm Not" series, while also interesting, tends to necessarily center more strongly on the points of disagreement with your own theology.
I also really liked the theological terminology video, but it's definitely another one I feel could be really interesting to spin out into longer videos diving deeper on certain topics, if either of these are things you have an interest in doing.
hey! im a lutheran and i will ask you can make a video about priesthood
If you're interested in seeing Lutheran edits, I have some on my channel.
Are you going to doa a video on Molinism too, I saw that it was revived when the internet become mainstream?
Can you do a video comparing the different versions of the Bible?
One question: Are you dispensational premillennial, history premillennial or postmillennial? What's your take on that?
None of those. I'm Amillennial
Video on worship music when? 😮
What is your say on some people saying Calvanism is a false doctrine?
Hey zoomer what are your thoughts on the 7 books on the catholic bible?
Unnecessary
@@Gamelorian and uninspired
@@ExNihiloComesNothing exactly what an atheist would say about the entire bible
@@DarklightSpirit nice try.
@@ExNihiloComesNothingthey are in the Septuagint, they were removed from tanakh by rabbinical jews but the early jews read them and they are the word of God.
I’m building the first under ground church in Repenton. Under The Mount
What do you do with the argumentation that Calvin himself did not hold limited atonement? There are atleast 7 quotes in his Biblical commentaries that strongly indicate he did not hold to that point (of course the 5 points were formulated after his death as a reaction to the 5 points of the remonstrance).
There is a way of making both sides agree.
Calvinists, being logical people, argue that if some are found in hell, that is not saved, then the redemption of Christ didn't work for them. But if Christ's sacrifice is all-sufficient, then this cannot occur, since all sins are effectively forgiven; but it manifestly will, so paradox.
There are two ways of approaching a solution: either some were always going to be damned, or there is the possibility of human rejection of salvation. Calvinists tend to think that human rejection is impossible, so they are only left with limited salvation.
However, in *both* cases, the only way you can find out is waiting till the end - or being omniscient like God, which nobody is. *Therefore both have to treat all people as potentially saved now, and recipients of the love of God now, because we just don't know* - and when it all comes out in the end, TBH there will be little difference if we find out one way or the other.
Unrelated to the video but what are your thoughts on lsm
Amen❤❤🎉🎉😊😊
Very educational and informative video!
Im not gonna lie i was hoping you would've put a plug in against Provisionslism.
Seemed like an oppotune time to address it
Hello, forgive me if I’m wrong but in your testimony you said you were a secular Jew, so what stopped you from being a messianic Jew
I don’t know a lot so my ignorance on the subject will show
I appreciate your videos. As an uncouth non-dom, I have a lot of respect for Calvinists and am really trying to understand the idea of limited atonement. The idea of arguing the limited atonement based on the Covenant of Redemption makes sense, but also seems like a bit of a “Icarus flying too close to the sun” moment. Romans 11:33-36 says, “Who has known the mind of God?” Here is your argument, you can let me know if I missed something, “The Father limited His selection, the Spirit limited His application, so Christ limited the atonement, otherwise they are disagreeing with each other and the Trinity doesn’t do that” while I agree that the persons in the Trinity would never do anything in “disagreement” saying that Christ dying for the sins of the whole world is in contradiction with the Father’s Will seems to be a claim that ignores the basic idea that the mind of God is beyond us(Romans 11:33-36). How does anyone know how the Trinity operates? Scripture does not really reveal that operation process. Scripture reveals to us the truth of the Trinity, and we get the see the Trinity in action(Christ’s baptism, the covenant of redemption, creation). But to say that we have the “inner workings of the Trinity” understood to the extent that we can now say that Jesus only died for the elect, seems like a major jump.
Overall, good stuff. I have learned a lot from the Reformed Tradition, I will continue to try to understand limited atonement.
Didn't you do a political compass test I can't find it
what are your thoughts on Nietzsche
What do you think about the reformed anglican church?
He has made a video about why he’s not Anglican ruclips.net/video/DQLKZKOtzJU/видео.html
I'm glad the argument is not the double jeopardy argument that ends up proving too much and implies the elect are saved prior to faith.
The problem I have with the trinitarian argument is that there does seem to some other universal aspects of how God works to save men, such as John 16:8.
I go to a PCA church, and Westminister 8.8 seems to teach a strict limited atonement, but I wonder if 3FU even teaches it. It seems that Dort did not actually reject 4 point Calvinism (Davenant was there) and Ursinus's commentary on HC basically says the lack of faith is the reason the reprobate are not saved.
As you may know some debate certainly exists in scholarship as to whether Calvin actually held limited atonement.
i thought this was another denomination and i was like nah at this point you’re maling them up😂
The Gospel is sufficient for all
But only efficient for the elect
I agree with that actually, though i differ in how we understand the elect...
I feel like this is just empty rhetoric. With Efficient meaning to be effective, and sufficient meaning to suffice or be adequate...how does this make sense? Am I misunderstanding definitions because saving grace in Calvinism wouldn't be "sufficient" for everyone if it literally didn't suffice for everyone and only the elect.
@@xravenx24fe I agree
congratulations, you're an Amyraldian!
For the un-elect there is no hope, if what this video said about calvanism is true
Calvinism just seems unnecessary. It explains a non existent problem.
It sure creates a non existent problem lol
when John the Apostle points others to the Messiah, he cried: “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.” (John 1.29). on John 1:29. Calvin writes:
“And when he says, the sin Of The World, he extends this favor indiscriminately to the whole human race… and that as all men without exception are guilty of unrighteousness before God…Now our duty is, to embrace the benefit which is offered to all, that each of us may be convinced that there is nothing to hinder him from obtaining reconciliation in Christ, provided that he comes to him by the guidance of faith.”
Reject calvinism
Become a provisionist /believe provisionism
This is from R.B. Thieme Jr.
Reconciliation - Describes the sum total of all that Christ did on the cross to remove the natural barrier of antagonism between God and mankind. Christ’s work on man’s behalf replaced enmity with peace, allowing every person the opportunity to have an eternal relationship with God (Rom. 5:11; 2 Cor. 5:18-19).
Mankind is reconciled to God through unlimited atonement, expiation, propitiation, and redemption provided by Christ on the cross. Now, only unbelief separates an individual from eternal salvation. For the person who expresses faith in Jesus Christ, God accomplishes regeneration, imputation of righteousness, justification, and positional sanctification.
Receiving the gift of eternal life is what unsaved people have to do to be saved from hell.
amen brother
But God already knows who will and will not accept his gift of eternal life because he exists outside time, meaning that we are all predestined to choose one way or the other.
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandleit’s still are choice though, we’re still responsible for it.
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle foreknowledge is not forced knowledge/forced acknowledgment. Why is this so hard to understand? Why would God’s omniscience require everything to be pre-determined? Would that make sense? If God knows every possible outcome does that mean He created every possible outcome?
@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle you're trying to sit in the place of God and make your own ideals a God. God says whosoever will can freely come. Revelation 22:17
The Calvinistic Methodists in England were consolidated around the Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion, which maintained a semi-Anglican identity and formed the Free Church of England, initially to be a denominational structure for the Connexion, but it ended up being where the members with a stronger Anglican identity wound up, whilst the less-Anglican members didn't affiliate, and across the decades the two groups have become fully independent of one another, but with good relations. The FCofE received the episcopate from the Reformed Episcopal Church and so became a fairly conventional Anglican church, just outside the Anglican Communion, whilst the Connexion is now an evangelical network of largely-independent churches, with more presence in Sierra Leone, their traditional mission field, than in England, their home.
The Calvinistic Methodists in Wales became the Presbyterian Church in Wales.
I don't think there's much of a Methodist identity left in the Connexion, the FCofE or the Welsh Presbyterians nowadays, they'd more likely identify as Evangelical, Anglican, and Presbyterian respectively, and so it is difficult to say who are the "real" heirs of Whitefield and his Calvinistic Methodism.
interesting
Are you going to port the server to 1.20?
Is the netherworld in Minecraft similar to what hell would be for the people who aren't saved?
no
Hell is probably very empty if you think about it, since it it primarily a place without God.
Yes, but it's specifically for Mormons.
How is separating the human and divine will, thus separating Christ not nestorianism?
I think the structure would look really cool if it were Blackstone bricks instead of just blackstone
Someone’s been watching some Jordan Cooper lately lol
Why was the political compass video removed?
Matthew 26.28 [Mark 14:24], Of the blood that would be poured out for the “many” Calvin writes:
“By the word many he means not a part of the world only, but the whole human race; for he contrasts many with one; as if he had said, that he will not be the Redeemer of one man only, but will die in order to deliver many from the condemnation of the curse...when we approach to the holy table, let us not only remember in general that the world has been redeemed by the blood of Christ, but let every one consider for himself that his own sins have been expiated.”
It seems to me that you are speaking of the impossibility of logical contradiction in regards to the Trinity. But the Trinity is a matter of faith, not logic. Why must we complicate matters when it is our simple faith---the faith of a child, if you will---that saves us? And while we accept the Lord's sacrifice as being important to our salvation, I would not limit the 'power' of God or of his saving grace.
Yrah, I mean, if I were a Christian then a Calvinistic take would be by far the most logical and rational. Free will simply cannot exist with God being omniscient and that's that. No arguing about it.
If you're inclined to fatalism than yes it seems very logical.
@@CashFreedman Well Christianity is quite clearly a fatalist belief system
@@Limosethe one could argue for a pragmatic angle and most of the faith question predestination so I wouldn't say it's obvious.
I'd like to see what you believe about The Rapture and the end times? I know a lot of Evangelicals believe in it, so I'd like to hear the Presbyterian view of it.
John records: “And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me…” (John 16:8-11).
Of this verse Calvin writes:
“…Under the term world are, I think, included not only those who would be truly converted to Christ, but hypocrites and reprobates.”
I think I love you
Calvin on Galatians 5:12 His indignation proceeds still farther, and he prays for destruction on those impostors by whom the Galatians had been deceived. The word, "cut off," appears to be employed in allusion to the circumcision which they pressed. "They tear the church for the sake of circumcision: I wish they were entirely cut off." Chrysostom favors this opinion. But how can such an imprecation be reconciled with the mildness of an apostle, who ought to wish that all should be saved, and that not a single person should perish? So far as men are concerned, I admit the force of this argument; for it is the will of God that we should seek the salvation of all men without exception, as Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world.”
Kill the Ender Dragon talking about Pilgrims Progress
How is The Holy Spirit Jesus’s Spirit and not the Fathers?
Bro really doxxed himself in the minecraft chat
I believe calvinism is biblical but i have a hard time with the part of the will of decree especially when it talks about foreordination of sins, i wish to love the sovereignty of God and not doing so grieves my soul i would ask if you guys could pray for me. Thanks!
Calvinism is not biblical. It's far from biblical. It's heresy.
Read how Acts 2 and 4 handles the crucifixion of Christ as happening through the preordained sin of men exactly as God ordained it. God's sovereignty is such a beautiful doctrine, and God uses sin sinlessly for his good purpose. People too often worry that "God ELECTS" rather than considering that "GOD elects." We can trust his good character, so we should trust his good will as it pertains to election and his divine decree. I hope this helped, and I will be in prayer for you!
@@jaxonspage4514 you didn't even prove your point. Simply indoctrinated yourself further. I recommend you youtube search “Soteriology101” and start looking at the problem with the calvinistic ideology
I recommend
Excusing sinners and blaming God for a more academic look
For a more layman
What about evil
@@jaxonspage4514 Thanks i know he is Good and Wise, sometimes i just have the folly of trying to conciliate man`s responsibility and god sovereignty and the complications my heart creates i own to my rebellion and hardness but thanks
I don't thin Methodists have a spiritual presence view on the lord's supper. It was always real presence for me.
Hello. I'm a new subscriber. Do you pretend do make a video about Islam and their prophet?
RZ, the fact you believe in predestination shows a lack of intellectual fortitude. If even 1 person is created by Gods hand and predestined for Hell, that makes God a tyrant because he had denied them any chance of saving themselves through faith and works. Please debate Pinesap
I would like to hear the calvanist argument against this
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Calvinists only say that your understanding of predestination is flawed. That’s all they ever told me, and never elaborated even when I asked them to.
Calvin writes in his commentary on Ezekiel 18:23, “God certainly desires nothing more than for those who are perishing and rushing toward death to return to the way of safety. This is why the gospel is today proclaimed throughout the world, for God wished to testify to all the ages that he is greatly inclined to pity." Philip Hughes, ed. and trans., The Register of the Company of Pastors of Geneva in the Time of Calvin (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1966), 25.
why don't you wear armor?
is the server public?
predestination is a very scary thing. Knowing that you are talking about God with other people but knowing that God won't safe them anyway. Its kind of a cruel. But the thought in itself makes sense. Do you know any texts in the bible that might confirm predestination?
Predestination is never in the context of people with indifference, don’t worry, the cruel predestination of Calvinism isn’t biblical, predestination for salvation is always in the context that the verse is talking about believers. Ephesians 1:1-7 and Romans 8:28-29
@@sttech4471 So who goes to heaven? Those who work their way there? God doesn't have a say in it?
@@rebeccalindley153 who said we work to heaven? Who said God doesn’t have a say in it?
@@sttech4471 Gnostics say works get you into heaven, or not even believing in Christ will get you into heaven, since they believe in different paths to heaven, and you just said Calvinist predestination isn't biblical.
@@rebeccalindley153 me having faith isn’t work. Calvinists believe that if I am the agent that has faith, then it suddenly becomes a work, no where in the Bible does it say anything about faith being a work, nor does it say that it is a work if it’s a human exercising it.
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5:45 why don't i trust Ziafiz....
You should trust him! he seems like a cool guy! (I AM NOT HIM TRUST ME!!!)
next video "why i became catholic"
pls
You also have an imperfect understanding of Lutheran theology. At least, LCMS theology.
How so? I thought Lutherans believe in single Predestination
@@redeemedzoomer6053 apologies for not responding yet.... been busy with work. Let me rewatch the video and have a better recollection of what I disageed with. Then I'll respomd. I promise I'm not ignoring your question.
Wake up gamers, Zoomer is talking theology again.
I’m gonna have to watch this video twice, once for the zoomer part, and again for whatever madness is going on in the game chat 😂
Calvin wrote on John 3:14-16
“…that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish…And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life…”
Hey Zoomer. Just a suggestion. Instead of saying why you're not this denomination of Christian why not say why you're a Christian and not a different religion entirely. I think it would make for a more interesting video.
Calvinist- N. A Christian who is sure about everything theology except that Jesus died for him.
can you explain why are queer people hated, even killed, by christians when christianity should spread peace and love?
People who do that are false Christians, because as Christians we should love other people, even If they live in sin.
In nearly any community there are going to be people that use the morals to justify their anger at a certain group regardless if it's actually connected to the community.
Okay so why does everything have to be viewed through the lense of Calvin rather than through what the Bible actually just says? I've aways wondered what the Calvinists would say about Job. If God just predestined Job, why bother letting Satan do all that stuff to Job as a test?? God would just be like, "lmao I already chose him so no matter what you do, it won't work." Would calvinists just say he wasn't saved because there was no Jesus
Ignorance is not an objection. Just because you've never educated yourself in Calvinist theology doesn't mean you have an argument against it. If Calvinism is false and unbiblical why do you have to strawman it?
@@garyboulton2302 he's not strawmanin he's got legitimate questions about Calvinism, y don you go answer his question?
@garyboulton2302 brother, I was just asking a question, not making an argument. I'm confused by why you've gone on the offensive with this. Please, if you can provide answers, go ahead. My only goal is to grow closer in my relationship with Christ, and I pray that you can too
@@iron_vicuna6784 My fault brother, it's hard to read tone, I assumed you were one of those anti-calvinists who hate on things they've never took the time to research.
Taking your comment as a genuine question, an answer that would be given is that God uses trials and tribulations to produce patience in the elect and ultimately conform them to the image of Christ. Calvinism teaches that God uses various means in the out working of His will in the world. So for example God uses the means of preaching to bring the elect to saving faith. And in sanctification God uses trials and tribulations to conform the elect into the image of His son.
@@garyboulton2302 does calvanism have anything to say about saving the un-elect, or are they doomed beyond anything in their power to do?