Truck vs SUV: We Push The Limits of the new 2021 GMC Yukon AT4 Off-Road!
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Outstanding review!!
its amusing what gets pinned lol
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Enjoyed the video, but you certainly didn’t push the limits of either vehicle. Also the trail boss probably would have climbed the hill in 2wd as well, Nathan let off as soon as the truck hooked up and started moving.
Not to mention the tires weren’t aired down (evident by the center tire skid) and there’s no weight on the rear axle. Had nothing to do with the G80.
Nathan also stopped on the steepest part and tried to start again. The Yukon had a steady momentum the whole time
Yes and they started from a standstill on the hill with the trail boss and as soon as it hooks started hooking up they stopped come on guys let’s be real this is some fake news
Nikko the test wasn’t meant to be aired down. They were testing to see what they could do on factory tyres and air pressures. But still the TrailBoss had bugger all weight over the rear axle so was always gonna struggle in 2WD but would have made it with the momentum.
jerrymyahzcat factory air pressure is 35psi, I own a 2020 AT4. You could tell in the video that the psi was well above 35. I climb over 8-15% inclines in 2WD with zero issues here in Arizona, with some of the harshest terrains. The video is disingenuous to the capability of the vehicle and the G80 when the tires are aired above spec and the driver comes to a complete stop mid-acceleration.
Why stop as soon as the truck starts moving?
They're showcasing the difference in the way the rear diff works on both vehicles. They say this at the beginning of the run. The goal was not to get up the hill.
@@Dwealdric and defeated the purpose when the G80 locked in and started moving the truck forward, then he stopped 🤷
Yeah, while crabbing sideways to, what, a 30 degree angle off line? Moving forward in the wrong direction is almost as bad as not moving forward at all.
Obviously you could gas it and get up, but that would defete the purpose of testing how the vehicles work
Defeating an obstacle with momentum is cheating if you are testing pure traction performance.
Went to the GM dealer the other day looking at these Yukons/Tahoes they are starting at $82,000 to $87,000!!!!! Absolutely ridiculous!
Yep. I’d buy one if they were about $30k cheaper. 🤦🏾♂️ Guess we’ll be getting the Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro. 🤷🏾♂️
@@jerb9254 or get the jeep grand cherokee L for 22k cheaper then the yukon
Or the landcruiser for that price
@@cirbar3467 a new landcrusier is 85k
Wait it out will come back down once all these shortage issues get worked out.
A really interesting test would be taking this Yukon AT4 off-road vs. the 200 series Toyota Landcruiser. I’m guessing most people would be more likely to cross shop those over the SUV and a pick-up.
Also in the $70K range that's also Land Rover Defender territory.
Or AT4 vs an old farm tractor
I like the Yukon, but I prefer slightly smaller LC. I'd look at the Acadia with clutch vectoring. Clutches are "sturdier" ,but would wear with a lot of use.
I'm a LC owner and am due a new rig pretty soon. I'm definitely going to give the Yukon AT4 a serious look.
Was hanging on for the latest LC. The current model would last forever, but I just can't pay 2020 dollars for 2010 tech. I'm looking at the AT4 versus the Z71. The Defender too, but as a buy and hold guy the reliability just gives me the willies. Not expecting to do any rock crawling with whatever I get.
That right rear tire on the Silverado looked like it had 80 pounds psi. Spinning on only the center of the tread.
I just got the Tahoe High Country , with 6.2. Not taking it off road for a couple years. 😄
Why not?
Lol better you not if you dont now how to go off roading cuz then yall look stupid.
Congratulations! How do you like it so far?
Keep these things on the road. They're not made for offroad despite what bullshit they feed you
@@gwood701 I think the AT4 does pretty good off road. Check out The Straight Pipes video.
I like that Nathan is such a strong champion for large V8s... the 6.2L would be nice!
This is my type of video"! I love to see you guys pushing the limits and comparing these vehicles so us as enthusiasts and consumers will know what we want and what we're asking for at the dealership
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I still can’t believe we live in a world that a GMC Yukon costs $77k. I guess I’m just old fashioned.
All the money printing first shows inflation by the prices of things where the most money is borrowed. Homes, auto, land and stocks.
Part of that is inflation - hell, the "average new car" costs over $30k; the rest of it is how much more stuff you get on this 2021 Yukon AT4 vs., say, a loaded 1996 Yukon 4-door. Pano sunroof? Nope. Air suspension? Nope. Adjustable ride height? Nope. Road-sensing suspension? Nope. Independent rear suspension? Nope. Electric LSD? Nope. Airbags everywhere? Nope. More cameras than a TV studio? Nope. HD screens everywhere? Nope. Stability & traction control? Nope. 355 HP? Nope (250 hp). High quality leather, stitching on the dash, metal accents? Nope (dashboard by Playskool). It's easy to forget how much more we can get in new vehicles today.
your not old "fashioned" your just old. hahaha. just kidding. But, yes prices are out of control. The new Jeep Grand Wagoneer topped out is gonna be $100K....... ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
Anthony : That! I cannot wrap my head around either. I swear these executives come in and think they are the next Lee Iacocca or something. I must be old if I’m referencing Iacocca Ha Ha!
That’s why I passed on it. That’s Audi, bmw prices now with far lower quality and features.
Truck with light rear end will struggle up hill in 2 wheel drive always. The G80 was not the problem.
The SUV has more weight in the rear which lead to better traction in 2 wheel drive. Again, nothing wrong with the G80 in this comparison.
Few bags of sand will take care of it.
The whole point was to evaluate the trucks unmodified. The G80 lost.
The G80 didn't lose, the pickup as a platform lost. Put the G80 in the Yukon and it probably would have still made it. It's more a test of weight distribution than a test of powertrain. SUVs simply have better weight distribution than a pickup.
And to be clear, the pickup was still modified since it had the tent mounted above the bed so it technically wasn't stock vs stock.
Mike K
I mean no disrespect but you’re simply wrong and so are the folks from TFL in this video.
The G80 engages, turning both rear wheels with in half a second of slip and the back end just doesn’t have traction due to weight. The video shows this clear as day.
@@CatNerfer3000 It's not that it's too light, it's that it doesn't have a good weight distribution. The 2 vehicles are actually pretty comparable in weight, but because the most of the weight is over the front wheels (which weren't powered), the pickup will struggle to put the power from the rear wheels to the ground.
This isn't all to say having more weight is better off road. Less weight is generally better. But in this one specific case with the pickup, adding weight would have solved all their problems.
Yes why stop when the truck starts going. Let’s be real here
I agree! I think that G80 would've allowed the Trailboss to make it up the hill if Nathan hadn't been so timid with the skinny pedal once the G80 locked up and he got moving again.
If we go to ranch thers gonna be a lot of weight back there.
@@DaFox29 Huh?
Let’s be honest these guys have no clue what they are doing
I have the G80 on my 02 tahoe and that things has gone to the dunes and mountains in 2wd. Only bad thing is that using 2wd for wheeling is that it can force the stabilizer bar and snap it like it did to mine. 4wd with the G80 locker works wonders in sand.
That is not 10.8" at the rear swing arm. That's not how ground clearance is measured. Its not to the tallest portion of the undercarriage, it should be measured to the lowest hanging part of the undercarriage.
Usually the rear pumpkin. If a independent sus setup then lowest hanging fruit that isn't the control arm.
@@brandonbrown3600 that rear control arm clearance is 12cm , i talked to the nearest dealer and they told me “ its so heavy duty that its almost impossible to break off road” i mean ofc he will say that but i really do hope its that heavy duty i’ve thinking about getting one for daily driver/weekend warrior in winter , but so far there is absolutely zero aftermarket accessories even a year later , not even off road roof racks
If you can "see the wilderness" through the sunroof, you may want to call Winders Towing.
If you kept throttle when the truck started moving around 3:00, you would’ve easily made it up the hill. Don’t knock 2wd just learn how to off-road
Your actual ground clearance with the Yukon is about 4 inches with those lower arms on the IRS dangling low like that.
I’d take that GMC over a Cadillac Escalade any day
How about a Toyota
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@@andrewsbbq I never said a Sequoia, I said a Toyota
andrews Anyone getting a new suv to offroad in has no brain, it’s merely a status symbol. LC is the way to go for actual performance.
@@andrewsbbq You can offroad a Tundra and a Tacoma too, and it's just a personal preference. I believe that the fact that Toyotas are hard to kill makes up for the fact that they're based on older platforms.
That G80 did exactly what it was supposed to.
That Yukon is really impressive
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The tahoe z71 was terrible but this one did better. The tahoe couldn't even get over a small rock because it has no rear locker or even an LSD.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix it has but those guys dont know how to turn it on , i mean i love this channel but they just try to get some attention from time to time , for example that gt500 vs ram trx drag race , that was a joke
@@aal-m3545 true, but the g80 tha GM used in all of their trucks is mechanical and automatically locks when one rear wheel begins to slip. No buttons to push which is great to me.
I like how you installed action cam to show rear wheels. Will use this idea in my videos. Thank you!
Ford expedition v Chevrolet Tahoe v GMC AT4 .... Do this comparison
I doubt the expedition has much ability off road. Wait till the Wagoneer comes out.
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Me too even in its FX4 version
I want to see an fx4 edition Expedition.
I know this is now an 'old' review but this is why I want to see the Yukon AT4 tested against the Sequoia TRD Pro. It seems that the AT4 will be better off road due to much more ground clearance and better arrival/departure angles, has those recovery hooks, and for in truck 'camping' - seats that fold flat. I wish it could be optioned w 18"s and more aggressive rubber.
You can tell by the skid on the tire that it’s overinflated. Only the center of the tire was making traction to the ground, hence your spinning.
or there was a rock protruding in the center of tire only
A $20,000.00 difference is a lot of money between those 2 vehicles. I was impressed with the rock climbing ability though.
Can we please do an episode on the reliability issues with the dynamic fuel management?
I think it did better in 2wD mostly because of the weight in the rear end guys. You mentioned that quick but were gushing over the limited slip in the Yukon. You could see that the truck had both wheels spinning just with no weight over those wheels it had no traction. Throw 300 lbs of sand in the back of that truck and it would have walked just like the Yukon.
That said, the Yukon did way better than I would have thought. Nice truck.
Watching these trucks off road is like watching and old dog run or a few old men play football. Youre happy they are doing it but boy its painful to watch and looks so stiff and uncomfortable 😅
Hahahaha
100% man. Great analogy
The AT4 lineup looks mean. Love it
I’m happy to see that the limited slip works
As a ford guy I’ll say the gm got the Yukon front end looking good, at least compared to the Silverado front end, either way if I was gonna buy a gm suv I think I’d buy the Yukon strictly because it looks better than the Tahoe
Good to see Nathan!
Love that new GMC
The Yukon does better on that hill simply because there's a greater proportion of weight over the rear drive wheels than in the truck. Sure the electronics make it a bit smoother, but in this case, more weight where it matters means more traction.
Need to use a little less throttle and tap the brake with your left foot. That G80 will lock up much faster than way.
@Terrence Jones - I’ve repeatedly explained this to these guys and they NEVER listen.
I think they drive them as the majority would
GM is very proud of you guys , a free commercial , does anyone really take a 77 thousand dollar vehicle off road ????
👋 I do. But that was a ram 2500. Also worked pipeline and had to get on right of ways so 🤷♂️. If the yukon could have pulled my camper I had it wpuld have been off road.
Can anybody teach this guy how to drive!! - why he stopped drive when it’s start climb??.
To see what it could do. Most people don’t know how to drive off road including myself and It nice to see how well a truck can do
off-road with a novice driver behind the wheel
He went up in 2wd and as soon as one tire loses traction there's no more drive. More gas does nothing
@@jamesalexander958 actually, when one wheel starts spinning, the locker kicks in. When it kicked in, you could see it start to move up the hill but he wouldn't keep on it and keep the momentum up. A key to maintaining traction.
@@scorpionsting47 the lsd isn't great for this situation. It's throwing the truck all over before finally locking. We don't know the grade of the hill, but my guess is a proper locker would have let the truck crawl up the hill even in 2wd. And they are trying to test the locker specifically not for this hill but in general
@@jamesalexander958 Ive had a couple of trucks with this locker. It's not really an lsd as it has a gear mechanism rather than clutches. It only engages when you keep the power applied. Once you let off it disengages. If you maintain slow and steady throttle, it was almost as good as 4 wheel drive with open diffs. But if you keep doing the throttle on/throttle off, you will get nowhere fast, as shown in this video. I think these guys knew this and were trying to create a little drama for the audience. ;)
That's what I hate about my G80 on my Sierra the spin and how the rear end kicks out to the side and some times on a tight trail as Andre says its but clinching as the think you are going to hit a tree or some other object. Yes the Chevy and GMC Trucks need a electric locking differential. Nice video.
If he kept moving once it caught he let off the gas you can see and hear it.
Okay, so, the goal is not to get up the damn hill (I struggle to understand how y'all can be missing that point). The point is to compare and contrast two systems. If they just wanted to get up the hill, they wouldn't have been in 2WD at all, now would they? Nathan stopped hitting the gas when the truck started crabbing sharply sideways- as he said in the video was the reason- because if you were in an actually hairy situation (say, on the side of a cliff, or sliding towards a tree) that would be a dealbreaker right there. You could very literally get up that hill in a 2WD minivan, if you really wanted to.
The GMC, on the other hand, stayed in control and on line throughout the drive. That is why it won the comparison. And that's why it SHOULD win the comparison.
They are knocking the G80 for darn good reason. It lacks finesse, it lacks control, and it is a blunt tool that the driver has to work around, rather than work with. With a manual locker, you can pick your line and drive it slow and controlled. With the GMC, they could pick their line and drive it slow and controlled, because the electronic locker just worked. With the G80, Nathan had to spin the tire, wait for it to hook up, and then the whole vehicle crabbed sideways because he had to stay on the gas to keep the locker locked.
It's a bad system, and GM should feel bad.
That is four-wheeler drive mag off road SUV of the year
So the base model costs $65k? Add a few options, and the price is more than the $70k Tri-Motor CyberTruck. But even the $40k Single-Motor CyberTruck flattens the Yukon on features:
- Adaptive air suspension giving a clearance from 8" to 16"
- AC power (110/220 V) on tap
- Compressed air on tap
- Indestructible stainless steel exoskeleton
- Lockable Vault large enough to comfortably sleep in
- Large frunk and sail-pillar storage
- 0-60 in 6.5 seconds (2.9 for Tri-Motor)
- 17-in screen for Tesla's seamless software experience
- OTA updates provide ongoing improvements
- AutoPilot industry leading highway driving assist
- Full Self Driving option available for $8k
- Illuminated stainless steel bed with T-slots, L-slots
- Alon (Aluminum OxyNitride) super-strong glass
- 0 emission, noiseless, gearless electric powertrain
- Max torque at zero speed
I personally would rather have the Trail Boss over the AT4. The mechanical locker may seem slower and clunkier, but it will always work and as Nathan mentioned the difference traction-wise is that a pickup has a lot less weight over the rear wheels. I do however like the styling of the AT4 better, the GMC front end is easier on the eyes than the Chevy front end.
Good Job Genral Motor
Nice car
We in saudia arabia
Like and respect Old and new GM car
Find it odd how everyone says theres no competition from GM for the Bronco. That AT4 looks like damn good competition to me....
I've never had the chance to drive a rig with a locker in the axle, always had slip diffs,, and got everywhere I've needed to go, just send it boys, it can be done
Is nobody going to say anything about those ridiculously low hanging rear suspension arms on the Yukon?
10 inches of clearance is actually like 3 if those arms need to make it over anything
The offroad community is slowly learning that independent suspension can be just as off road worthy as solid axles. The Tough T, Vanagon Syncro, Pinzgauer, and all modern side by sides prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. The new Defender will as well.
keep a large supply of spare front cv axles on hand
Why do you guys keep disabling traction control? Most people will never disable it, so it's not a realistic test. Plus, it's designed to help, so you should test if it actually does help or if it just cuts power like some of the older systems. If it does get in the way, then let us know and disable it.
@Toasty on many cars they use the brakes at low speed off road to simulate a mechanical limited slip or torque vectoring differential. If done right, it works extremely well. Examples are Toyota's ATRAC or Subaru's X-Mode. I've driven my 4Runner up obstacles that put two wheels in the air, and once the car figures out what's going on (it takes a second), it works almost as well as a locking diff.
I'm not sure if the vehicles in this video have similar systems or if they get disabled when you disable the traction control, but we'll never know because they disabled it without even trying it.
Couldn’t focus on the video because I was busy reading “why stop now” 300 times
I don't agree with your conclusion on the ELSD vs the G80. The G80 very quickly locked, and kept each wheel turning at the same speed, with zero loss of torque. You can't get better than fully locked. The ELSD is NOT the reason the Yukon climbed the hill with more grace.
Why you think it did??
@@ttamcc.4674 Weight distribution. A pickup truck with 100lb on the bed is still very light over the rear axle, and heavy over the front. It's real hard for the light rear end to push the heavy front up a bumpy, low traction hill. Driver line choice and throttle input may have made a difference as well.
If rocks aren’t flying you ain’t trying 😂. He did apologize to the truck for the heavy foot.
Yeah I don’t believe either the G80 or the ELSD are going to hinder in terms of traction. The Yukon did better because it has better weight distribution AND better tire contact with the ground. That’s because it has IRS and a more compliant suspension.
69 Bronco/20 Rubicon guy! I’m talking about the rear. The Silverado would be less compliant because it has a sold axle with leaf springs and higher payload. The front suspension has no effect on traction in 2wd.
What psi was the trail boss when on 2wd? Or on that test trive? Up the hill?
Hall & Oates. Hell yeah Andre
Cool but, Power Wagon still don’t care. 🤷♂️
Powerwagon would absolutely mangle that mountain
Power Wagons still in the shop
Is that still a thing? I wonder what the TRX thinks about the little power wagon 🤔
@@cstansfield02 It wouldn’t care.
Curious why that lower part of the suspension is so low on this generation vs other IRS SUV’s? I find it awfully close to the ground vs any other IRS, recently was at a red light with a Yukon and Sequoia in front of me, both have IRS, but the Yukon’s component hung much lower.
Nathan got a new GSHOCK
The first 40 seconds made me laugh in my ZR2. XD
The ELSD & air suspension is standard on tahoe z71 in the middle east
E-LSD make's such a big difference only problem is it might not last as long as the G80
Do you guys ever air down? Seems like the trail boss would do much better with lower tire pressures.
G McG they do occasionally. But not often as they want to test most vehicles as stock from the factory.
This was a very good demo of the LSD and the G80. I think the big difference between the 2 was weight, there is just so much less weight on the rear axle of the truck
That AT kicked ass.
I thought Roman ate Nathan
I think the Yukon performed better because there’s more weight in the rear than the Trail Boss. If you look closely, it appears the Yukon’s rear differential locked at the same rotations as the Trail Boss.
I don't have any of those, i just love watching you guys!!
Remarkable the GMC 2wd, but I had a Chevy Suburban 2wd and it never got stuck no matter where I took it. I think it's the weight distribution.
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Where’s the snow I thought it snowed
That was a couple of weeks ago, it's all melted & back to normal late summer Temps.
It has been 90 since then in Denver several days. 80' almost everyday.
super cool ripping up a trail. they have 4x4 for a reason
The G80 worked just fine plus every time the truck started getting momentum they stopped. Love the new Yukons though.
Looks like Nathan is slimming down... good to see him.
Good to know that the Yukon AT4 is better than the trail boss off road.
honestly the fact the trailboss has no weight in the back makes a bigger difference than you think
Exactly what I been telling them. I want to see a part 2
I've made it up steeper and rocky hills with my shitbox in 2wd with 0 traction issues
You guys should try the Chevy suburban off road
Glad to see the GMC has redeemed itself, watching the Tahoe Z71 with the marginal LSD and no eLSD or rear locker option quickly turned me off from considering one in a couple of years to replace my truck. We do some overlanding, nothing extreme but having the G80 is a nice safety net. That eLSD worked great...but then with no diesel option available it's not the ideal option for me. Guess I'll be sticking with my Canyon with the Duramax for a while longer. :)
@@Michael-xk8ly Not for the AT4, this has been known all along. www.trucktrend.com/news/no-diesel-for-2021-yukon-at4
Taho now have elsd I have one z71
Yes Nathan! Glad as well to see you again! I love the TFL family and what you all do! Keep it coming!
6.2 is nice but current gen 5.3s with a good tune and bolt on is plenty enough
So what exactly is an ELSD, if it's not a traction control system using the brakes then what is it doing? Is it a clutch pack getting squeezed by a magnet? If that's the case, why didn't they just do selectable lockers or a mechanical lsd like a torsion?
we are blessed these couple of days with nathan. thank youuuu
Awesome review, always enjoy watching the classic Duo Andre and Nathan. 😎
Love the new GMC, but the only two engines I’d consider for something that size is the diesel or the 6.2. Weird they’re not offering either of those. Saving for next year like they did the 19-20 trail boss?
Jonas Bennett - they will offer after they run out of red hooks
Makes me upset the Tahoe Z71 doesn't come with the limited slip differential! Are you going to do a comparison of Tahoe Z71 and GMC AT4?
The extra weight in the back of the Yukon helps give more traction than the trail boss.
6.2 is now the only engine for the at4 lmao
Love your shows! Thanks for all you guys do! Please Please Please do a comparison of the 2021 Tahoe Z71 vs the 2021 Yukon AT4 off-roading to compare the LSD (is it even an LSD?) G86 differential (it is not the G80 apparently) on the Tahoe vs the eLSD G96 differential option upgrade on the Yukon AT4 (NOT available on the Tahoe). I have the 2021 Tahoe Z71 you can use for the show...I also have the first King Shocks (thus no air shocks). So maybe that would be fun to compare too...air shocks vs upgrading the shocks (like King, Fox, etc)? I sold my Jeep rubicon for the Tahoe Z71 as I needed a tow vehicle, but still want some off roading ability...
If I had the money I would definitely get the Yukon. We have 6 and it would fit us perfectly. Maybe, I will wait for a used!! Thanks for the review!
Only the newer G80s spin that much, the older ones when the rear ends were still made in the USA, didn't spin nearly as much. Just an observation from an OBS Silverado Z71 4x4 G80 and 05 Suburban Z71 4x4 G80 owner....
my G80 will lock up on on-ramps and off-ramps super annoying sometimes- but it works perfect when I need it too
weird comparison GM vs GM truck VS heavy SUV lol I work for GMC so I enjoyed the video either way 😅😅
Does the Yukon in highest suspension have more ground clearance?
YESS MORE TRAIL BOSS CONTENT
While the heavier SUV wins, it will be interesting to see you guys do this same test with the upcoming GMC Hummer EV pickup, instead of the Silverado Trail Boss
that at4 looks like something my grandpa would drive
You better hope not. Spending $80k of your inheritance.
Gotta believe GM will add the rear LSD, at least as an option, in the Silverado/Sierra mid-cycle refresh.
In my humble opinion, if the Chevy truck had A SOLID FRONT AXLE THAT SETUP CAN ENHANCE THE TRACTION OVER BIG BUMPS AND HILLS AS WELL AS GAIN MORE TORQUE FROM THE DIFFERENTIAL. I CAN MENTION THERE ARE FEWER PARTS OF THE POWER WHICH IS TRANSFERRED THROUGH. FRONT SOLID AXLES ARE EXTREMELY DURABLE THAN MOST IFS axles and on top of that it can be easily fixed and changed in comparison to IFS. I would advice CHEVY Department to think of providing this truck with front solid axles. It is a good truck. If Chevy Department can offer two options for the market (option 1 a front beam axle and option 2 IFS) .I think they will boost their sale.
Wonder if the Acadia (a slightly more reasonable price/size) would fare the same.
Lower control arm IRS looks so low to the ground, solid rear has better clearance
GM is really stepping up!!!
With at4, you can get 6.2 as well... and I picked it...
Needed to add far more weight added to the bed of the pick to be fair test....
why didn't put the back wheels on scales and add enough to the bed, so they would have the same weight over the back wheels????
The G80 gets a bad rap but ive had 3 trucks with it and its been nothing but smooth sailing. 2 of them were off road and the other a 2wd lowered truck on nitrous.