Hi, To compare Neumann Studio Monitors please visit the "Monitor Finder" en-de.neumann.com/studio-monitors. Feel free to use our "compare" function to see every technical detail of both monitors. Simply select the two monitors KH 80 and KH 310 and add them to the compare list. We hope this helps. Greetings from Berlin.
@music man I have a friend who has 8030s, they don't sound as revealing but that's just my opinion, the high end on them is a bit different, I think they are not quite as good, it's more of a taste thing, I preferred the neumann's.
@Richard Upton Well, for one thing, they are quite small, and they can be used anywhere. That being said, they are a true studio monitor, and very revealing and accurate. They are incredible for mixing, and if you add the KH 750 DSP sub, you have a full range system, so any sort of music production is possible with this set up. A plus with the KH system, is that they are pleasant to listen to as well. While not important for mixing and critical listening, they're nice to use simply for general listening and playback. They also have a calibration system to help you set them up in your space as accurately as possible; although it's not necessary, it is an added plus! Whichever KH monitor you choose, you will be quite satisfied.
@k9ä5å#5h I've used them quite a bit. What environment would you be using them in, and ask yourself why you would need two subs. I personally have no need for two subs, in my space; furthermore, most bass frequencies are going to be straight up the middle, even if you were to shift to one side a bit, and it's not going to make that big a difference, at least in a smaller mixing environment, as the starlight monitors will still give you an idea of how things will sound, at least with in their range. Two subs? If you have low end below 40 Hz, maybe, or a big enough space where the 310s mph be "more appropriate," yeah. Like I said, you an't go wrong with any go the KH line: they're that good!
@@stupendousmusic4190 That's not how sub bass frequencies work. Low frequencies are not as localizable (you can't tell as easily where they're coming from) when compared to higher frequencies. Sure, some subs are more localizable than others but that's for a variety of reasons unrelated to the frequencies themselves including distortion, filters set higher than 80Hz, and environmental interference and noise i.e. reflections and rattles. Part two of this is that multiple subwoofers are not necessarily or even primarily used for "more bass" but for more even bass around the room. Using more than one sub can smooth out modal peaks and dips that are inherent to any space as well as reduce modal ringing below where broadband absorption is most effective. This is especially important for getting even bass over a listening area as opposed to a listening point or single position. While I haven't used multiple subs myself, it's easy to see the effect multiple low frequency transducers can have by simply not high passing mains when integrating them with a subwoofer. In the common band, you will see the interaction if you take acoustic measurements. In any case, the best place for a single subwoofer is typically not center width, though I have heard of some people getting the best result there. Typically it's a front corner, left or right, perhaps spaced from the boundary a few inches. this has to do with the subwoofer being in the same pressure region as all the other modes as opposed to being in both the positive and negative pressure region of the width mode by placing it in the center. That can be an effective strategy but it's typically used with multiple high-output subwoofers because technically the sub is in a pressure null at that point which reduces output. By comparison, placing the sub in a corner maximizes output due to constructive interference.
I just got a single KH80. Like any speaker, it benefits from room correction. Above that room mode-dominated band they're perfectly flat measured with REW. Compared to my Yamaha HS5, due to the KH80's more extended bass and smoother directivity, one KH80 almost sounds like two HS5s from a distance. What pleases me most is that this new generation of research-backed designs is more available and affordable than ever. I'll save the subjective praise for the audiophile blogs. That said, I think that everyone should give a design like this a chance - especially after some basic room EQ which is very easy to do if you have a little patience. Or, of course, just use MA1 though I haven't used it myself yet. It bears repeating: all speakers can benefit from room correction EQ. If you hear anyone say that the midrange of this speaker or ones like it are "too gentle" or "too forward" or any number of complaints, investigate whether they've applied room EQ correctly, their experience level, their environment, what speakers they're comparing to (consciously or not) and whether they have hearing damage (srs). It's so easy to blame the speaker for the fault of the user. I commend Neumann for not putting out a video that says "Learn To Use Speakers Before Making Videos Disparaging Our Products" because they must be tempted to do it.
Hi I just got my Kh120s' before I had the 80s' for almost 4 years and I loved them! I had never had such a good and powerful monitor, I finally decided to buy a bigger one, my question is, do you think it's worth returning my 120s' and paying the difference for the new 120s' II?
Hey there! Feel free to watch the KH 120 A vs. KH 120 II video we posted yesterday: ruclips.net/video/ewzepykZ0wQ/видео.html. That should help you make a decision.
Hi there! The gain settings on the KH 80 are just relevant for the output level of your source. In general, the level at the loudspeakers should be set as low as possible and the level at the source as high as possible. This keeps the self generated noise level low and reduces induced signals. We recommend that you set the input gain to 0 and the output level to a value that you have to turn up the source to half the output level for usual usage.
Hi! It is important that the loudspeakers are positioned in a way that they create an equilateral acoustical triangle together with the listener. The acoustical center of the KH 420s is the axis of midrange and tweeter. The position of the woofer (inside or outside) is dependent on the frequency range the KH 420s reproduce. If they run in full range mode the woofer should be placed to 1/4 and 3/4 of the room width if possible to reduce lateral room modes. If, as in this case, the loudspeakers are bass managed via the KH 870s, the lateral modes can be influenced by the position of the subwoofers. The optimal position of the woofers inside the KH 420s is then just dependent on reflections created by the frequency range of the woofers and what is in front of the woofers. So considering all these aspects, the orientation and placement of the loudspeakers in this situation led to best results.
@@GeorgNeumannGmbH Hi, Can I do the same with my 310s? They works full range with no subwoofer and I felt better results directing the woofers outwards in my home studio :-)
What are you talking about? I have the kh 420 and the low end extension goes down to 30Hz linear and falls of down to 22Hz. And its transient response is so quik, that i hear little gaps in music, because sounds don't ring out. It seems like sounds have a much quicker decay. It sounds realy "dry" and honesr in good way. If you make them just a little loud you totally have a very powerfull bass and its so exiting to listen to stuff with such a clear sound, but stilö with so much effordless energy. These speakers rock!!!
You can have reflective surfaces behind speakers, as long as the rest of the room is treated and the front of the speaker doesn't see the front wall. Mids and highs are not omnidirectional. Also, some of the best control rooms follow the NE & FTB control room design, in which the front wall and the floor are reflective, and the rest of the room absorptive. Check Northward designed rooms, they have the front wall entirely made of glass, it is mind blowing.
I read ATC highs and mids are exceptional. Based on just youtube demos, they seem to have very clear and open highs and mids when compared to something like KEF LS50 (just as a point of reference). I hear Neumann KH310A appears to some to have a "darker" sound, like Sennheiser HD650 sound signature. Could someone who has experience with ATC SCM20 or SCM50 chime in on how they sound in highs and mids and imaging/soundstage compared to NH310A and even NH420A? ALSO, came across some comments from several online about faulty tweeters on the NH310A. Could someone tell me if this may be a real and somewhat common issue? Thanks!
To say this video was made in a recording studio, the audio is pretty damn awful. Maybe put aside £15 for a personal mic instead of blowing £4k on speakers.
I have the 310s and 750 and am done. Translation is perfect and they are a joy to work with at any volume. God bless Neumann!
Thank you for your positive feedback!😊
I love my 310’s and my 80’s. No plans to change monitors. Love them!
Are the 80s a little brighter than the kh310?
Hi, To compare Neumann Studio Monitors please visit the "Monitor Finder" en-de.neumann.com/studio-monitors. Feel free to use our "compare" function to see every technical detail of both monitors. Simply select the two monitors KH 80 and KH 310 and add them to the compare list. We hope this helps. Greetings from Berlin.
I want to see more videos on the Neumann KH420s, especially on how to wall soffit them.
Thank you for the feedback!
going from Mackie MR5's and going to the KH120A's. Super excited to see and hear the difference.
love my kh120a speakers, translation is amazing! I am not comfortable mixing on other speakers.
@music man I have a friend who has 8030s, they don't sound as revealing but that's just my opinion, the high end on them is a bit different, I think they are not quite as good, it's more of a taste thing, I preferred the neumann's.
High quality.
no problem, I found the genelecs more of a 'forward' sound and the neumanns more relaxing and neutral, enjoy your speakers!
I'm a big fan of the KH line. My next upgrade will be to the KH 80 with the KH 750 DSP.
@Richard Upton Well, for one thing, they are quite small, and they can be used anywhere. That being said, they are a true studio monitor, and very revealing and accurate. They are incredible for mixing, and if you add the KH 750 DSP sub, you have a full range system, so any sort of music production is possible with this set up. A plus with the KH system, is that they are pleasant to listen to as well. While not important for mixing and critical listening, they're nice to use simply for general listening and playback. They also have a calibration system to help you set them up in your space as accurately as possible; although it's not necessary, it is an added plus! Whichever KH monitor you choose, you will be quite satisfied.
@k9ä5å#5h two monitors with two subs! They sound incredible!
@k9ä5å#5h I've used them quite a bit. What environment would you be using them in, and ask yourself why you would need two subs. I personally have no need for two subs, in my space; furthermore, most bass frequencies are going to be straight up the middle, even if you were to shift to one side a bit, and it's not going to make that big a difference, at least in a smaller mixing environment, as the starlight monitors will still give you an idea of how things will sound, at least with in their range. Two subs? If you have low end below 40 Hz, maybe, or a big enough space where the 310s mph be "more appropriate," yeah. Like I said, you an't go wrong with any go the KH line: they're that good!
@@stupendousmusic4190 That's not how sub bass frequencies work. Low frequencies are not as localizable (you can't tell as easily where they're coming from) when compared to higher frequencies. Sure, some subs are more localizable than others but that's for a variety of reasons unrelated to the frequencies themselves including distortion, filters set higher than 80Hz, and environmental interference and noise i.e. reflections and rattles.
Part two of this is that multiple subwoofers are not necessarily or even primarily used for "more bass" but for more even bass around the room. Using more than one sub can smooth out modal peaks and dips that are inherent to any space as well as reduce modal ringing below where broadband absorption is most effective. This is especially important for getting even bass over a listening area as opposed to a listening point or single position.
While I haven't used multiple subs myself, it's easy to see the effect multiple low frequency transducers can have by simply not high passing mains when integrating them with a subwoofer. In the common band, you will see the interaction if you take acoustic measurements.
In any case, the best place for a single subwoofer is typically not center width, though I have heard of some people getting the best result there. Typically it's a front corner, left or right, perhaps spaced from the boundary a few inches. this has to do with the subwoofer being in the same pressure region as all the other modes as opposed to being in both the positive and negative pressure region of the width mode by placing it in the center. That can be an effective strategy but it's typically used with multiple high-output subwoofers because technically the sub is in a pressure null at that point which reduces output. By comparison, placing the sub in a corner maximizes output due to constructive interference.
I just got a single KH80. Like any speaker, it benefits from room correction. Above that room mode-dominated band they're perfectly flat measured with REW. Compared to my Yamaha HS5, due to the KH80's more extended bass and smoother directivity, one KH80 almost sounds like two HS5s from a distance. What pleases me most is that this new generation of research-backed designs is more available and affordable than ever.
I'll save the subjective praise for the audiophile blogs. That said, I think that everyone should give a design like this a chance - especially after some basic room EQ which is very easy to do if you have a little patience. Or, of course, just use MA1 though I haven't used it myself yet.
It bears repeating: all speakers can benefit from room correction EQ. If you hear anyone say that the midrange of this speaker or ones like it are "too gentle" or "too forward" or any number of complaints, investigate whether they've applied room EQ correctly, their experience level, their environment, what speakers they're comparing to (consciously or not) and whether they have hearing damage (srs). It's so easy to blame the speaker for the fault of the user.
I commend Neumann for not putting out a video that says "Learn To Use Speakers Before Making Videos Disparaging Our Products" because they must be tempted to do it.
How did the tweeter and mid speaker area get turned like that? Aren’t they usually facing up so the speaker can be positioned vertically?
Hi Conrad, you can rotate the waveguide! If you need more info, have a look here: en-de.neumann.com/kh-420.
They mid and tweeter module can be rotated, in the same way as some of the Focal monitors, for instance.
Hi I just got my Kh120s' before I had the 80s' for almost 4 years and I loved them! I had never had such a good and powerful monitor, I finally decided to buy a bigger one, my question is, do you think it's worth returning my 120s' and paying the difference for the new 120s' II?
Hey there! Feel free to watch the KH 120 A vs. KH 120 II video we posted yesterday: ruclips.net/video/ewzepykZ0wQ/видео.html. That should help you make a decision.
Hi
I have kh80dsp in my bedroom home studio and can you tell me if i set output 94 db and input -15db is good?
Hi there! The gain settings on the KH 80 are just relevant for the output level of your source. In general, the level at the loudspeakers should be set as low as possible and the level at the source as high as possible. This keeps the self generated noise level low and reduces induced signals. We recommend that you set the input gain to 0 and the output level to a value that you have to turn up the source to half the output level for usual usage.
@@GeorgNeumannGmbH thx
What are those stands under the 420s?
Hi David, that is a König & Meyer "Design" monitor stand (item no. 26795-000-56).
Isn't it inadvisable to direct the big woofers of the 420's outwards like this?
Hi! It is important that the loudspeakers are positioned in a way that they create an equilateral acoustical triangle together with the listener. The acoustical center of the KH 420s is the axis of midrange and tweeter. The position of the woofer (inside or outside) is dependent on the frequency range the KH 420s reproduce. If they run in full range mode the woofer should be placed to 1/4 and 3/4 of the room width if possible to reduce lateral room modes. If, as in this case, the loudspeakers are bass managed via the KH 870s, the lateral modes can be influenced by the position of the subwoofers.
The optimal position of the woofers inside the KH 420s is then just dependent on reflections created by the frequency range of the woofers and what is in front of the woofers. So considering all these aspects, the orientation and placement of the loudspeakers in this situation led to best results.
@@GeorgNeumannGmbH Wow, rocket science grade stuff, thanks for the answer!
@@GeorgNeumannGmbH You can't imagine how much i just learned from this single comment...
Very interesting reply! I thought they looked upside down then read the reply.
@@GeorgNeumannGmbH Hi,
Can I do the same with my 310s? They works full range with no subwoofer and I felt better results directing the woofers outwards in my home studio
:-)
The Neumanns are a little to soft ! The AMT from Adam is less murky!!
What are you talking about? I have the kh 420 and the low end extension goes down to 30Hz linear and falls of down to 22Hz. And its transient response is so quik, that i hear little gaps in music, because sounds don't ring out. It seems like sounds have a much quicker decay. It sounds realy "dry" and honesr in good way. If you make them just a little loud you totally have a very powerfull bass and its so exiting to listen to stuff with such a clear sound, but stilö with so much effordless energy. These speakers rock!!!
A glass front behind speakers, bad idea really bad idea.
@music man I'm talking about the window all over the space behind the speakers. Acoustically the most stupid thing you can do.
You can have reflective surfaces behind speakers, as long as the rest of the room is treated and the front of the speaker doesn't see the front wall. Mids and highs are not omnidirectional. Also, some of the best control rooms follow the NE & FTB control room design, in which the front wall and the floor are reflective, and the rest of the room absorptive. Check Northward designed rooms, they have the front wall entirely made of glass, it is mind blowing.
I read ATC highs and mids are exceptional. Based on just youtube demos, they seem to have very clear and open highs and mids when compared to something like KEF LS50 (just as a point of reference). I hear Neumann KH310A appears to some to have a "darker" sound, like Sennheiser HD650 sound signature. Could someone who has experience with ATC SCM20 or SCM50 chime in on how they sound in highs and mids and imaging/soundstage compared to NH310A and even NH420A? ALSO, came across some comments from several online about faulty tweeters on the NH310A. Could someone tell me if this may be a real and somewhat common issue? Thanks!
To say this video was made in a recording studio, the audio is pretty damn awful. Maybe put aside £15 for a personal mic instead of blowing £4k on speakers.
Too bad this video is not recorded in the German language.
Too bad for whom?