BIG & BORING…But I Bought Them! - Neumann KH420 speaker review

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  • Опубликовано: 9 янв 2025

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  • @jf542
    @jf542 3 года назад +37

    neumann are the most underrated speakers in the world.... the 310's are unreal

    • @bartzlaurent6853
      @bartzlaurent6853 2 года назад +4

      No is PSI Audio

    • @JayDay285
      @JayDay285 Год назад

      Depends on what you’re doing with them and what genre. Extremely sterile and uninspiring boxes

    • @ryand4533
      @ryand4533 Год назад +3

      @@JayDay285 Thats good for achieving proper translation.

    • @Big_Old_Bondy
      @Big_Old_Bondy Год назад

      ​@@bartzlaurent6853Yeah heard great things about PSI

  • @Big_Old_Bondy
    @Big_Old_Bondy Год назад +4

    I went from Rokits to the KH 80's around 4 years ago. As I havent heard many other monitors I have no reference point when people say they are 'boring'. Going from what I had they sounded amazing. My mixes are now translating well and its thanks to these monitors.

  • @tomflinckman9819
    @tomflinckman9819 3 года назад +4

    Had my KH420’s, 120’s and 80’s now in our studio/demoroom for a year and can really recommend them.

  • @Gabriel.A.L.
    @Gabriel.A.L. Год назад +1

    I got them too. Love them. They are actually Klein & Hummel, the german standard for Radio and TV. I also love the old Klein & Hummel stuff like the O92.

  • @MatteoPellegriniSound
    @MatteoPellegriniSound 3 года назад +6

    Got the KH310 's a few months ago and could not a find a better transient response in the low end anywhere else. The closed box makes them super fast and responsive while keeping a really insane extension in the low-end. I'll probably get the sub eventually and some 80 for an atmos rig. Lots of people told me they found them boring but God, they are truer than a lot of others I've tried. I would've gone for a good pair of PSI if not for those but they're double the money! And bassreflex...

    • @ILove_808
      @ILove_808 2 года назад

      I Bought them too, how did you position them? The distance for listening, wall, etc?

    • @MatteoPellegriniSound
      @MatteoPellegriniSound 2 года назад +3

      @@ILove_808 I have a relatively special position. I'm about 10 feet away from the nearest wall, front to back, and 4-5 feet away from the sidewalls. My ears are about 6 feet away from the monitors.

  • @adiariel6726
    @adiariel6726 3 года назад +7

    big like! , I would wanna see your guys tuning that system! that would be something to watch for me! would watch 4 hours of this stuff. next time do a series of vids when you're building\tuning the new studio \ hardware 🙏

  • @bluehousemusic844
    @bluehousemusic844 3 года назад +3

    Would be nice to know what happens if you measure with the Neumann MA-1 Mic and compare your "Ear Setting versus Neumann Software Setting" after measurement ...if you have the KH 750 DSP as a sub...

  • @markhunstone2747
    @markhunstone2747 3 года назад

    Good to have you back, love your new toys and having used your mastering service, well, very educational and one happy client!

  • @iTimestretcher
    @iTimestretcher 3 года назад +10

    I absolutely love my KH310's. The detail, it's like a microscope for my ears. I would love to hear the 420's. I'd be equally curious to hear the smaller ones and try mixing a track on them, not that I need any different speakers though, my mixing is sounding more on point than ever before with the 310's, I am super happy with them.

    • @ilikemyrealname
      @ilikemyrealname 2 года назад +3

      I have them as well, as per Streaky's recommendation. I've been using them for a few months now and they're stellar. They're so clear sounding, very detailed. A joy to work on, really.

    • @hamooddyy
      @hamooddyy 2 года назад +3

      Hey bro, i have a pair of adam a7x , but im chasing my tale and always getting surprises when i check my mixes in the car!! Mixing lows is confusing and sonar works reference is not solving the problem, should i buy the 310s?

    • @iTimestretcher
      @iTimestretcher 2 года назад +3

      I love them, Honestly my mixes have sounded better than ever, mixing on the KH310's, however, you should at least get acoustic panels for the first reflection points, to at least somewhat control your rooms acoustics. But as far as the Adams' go, those were what I was gonna buy before getting these, but I didn't. But I love the KH's. Also, whatever monitors you decide to get, I would highly recommend using Sonarworks, or something similar. The combination of the Neumanns and Sonarworks is wonderful, my mixes finally sound legit professional because I can hear what I'm doing in a broader context. Just my 2 cents, I love them. Btw, I originally wanted ATC's for the same reason, but the Neumann's were like half the cost and I don't regret the decision at all.

    • @ilikemyrealname
      @ilikemyrealname 2 года назад

      @@iTimestretcher I'm curious why you use Sonarworks with your Nuemanns when the subwoofer has DSP for calibration built-in. Do you not own a KH 750?

    • @iTimestretcher
      @iTimestretcher 2 года назад +2

      @@ilikemyrealname No I don't own the sub, I have a Subwoofer Pros sub.

  • @michaeldbadger
    @michaeldbadger 3 года назад +3

    Did you enjoy mixing on the Kii Three’s? Or do you prefer mastering on them?
    I’ve got 310’s currently but I’ve got Kii Three’s on order which should be arriving soon! I’ll probably keen the 310’s for reference and tracking.

  • @stupendousmusic4190
    @stupendousmusic4190 2 года назад +2

    I wholeheartedly agree with you that the Neumann KH line is extraordinary❣️
    I use the KH 80s and the KH 750 DSP in my home setup. I've also used the KH 310s-which are fantastic-and tested the KH 120s.
    I've found that with all of these monitors there is a definite break-in period; you'll hear it once they're broken in.
    My friend Mike Senior and I are on the same page when it comes to these wonderful Neumanns, and even Paul White from Sound-On-Sound said to me that the Neumanns are very hard to beat.

    • @Hexspa
      @Hexspa Год назад

      The break-in period is possibly entirely mental. I've never seen any fastidious measurements showing a statistically-significant difference in a speaker that's been played for three months. Speakers of all kinds take getting used to.

    • @stupendousmusic4190
      @stupendousmusic4190 Год назад

      @@Hexspa I've used monitors and headphones that haven't needed a break-in period, and I've used monitors and headphones that clearly have. There are manufacturers that even recommend a break-in period. When I am breaking in a monitor, I leave the room and go about my day while I have music continuously playing through them at a reasonable volume. When I come back in, I leave them powered but don't play any music through them to keep my ears objective. I'll do this for a few days. When done, the difference is quite noticeable.
      When manufacturers run measurements, they often do so after a break-in period, and at times those can be the monitors that don't need a break-in period when they are for sale.

    • @Hexspa
      @Hexspa Год назад

      @@stupendousmusic4190 How do you know this?

    • @Hexspa
      @Hexspa Год назад

      @@stupendousmusic4190 Even a 2" difference in head position will change the amplitude response of what you're hearing. Not to mention your perception of your hearing is not identical from day-to-day.
      I know it's probably hard to accept but your break-in ritual is probably 99% superstition. RUclips doesn't allow link posting in comments but you can search for 'Audiosciencereview do audio speakers break-in' and 'audioholics speaker break in fact or fiction'. In both places, you'll find measurements and arguments in support that a fully-assembled speaker should not need more than a short time to break in and even then the results will be less than production-line unit-to-unit variation.
      Please don't tell me "use my ears" or make any other unsubstantiated claims. Do not refer me to a manufacturer's manual - they are not all always correct. Prove with independently-verifiable measurements that the difference in response is great enough to be perceptible in a large sample size of speakers. If you can't do that then you do not know if speaker break in for complete loudspeakers is real or not.

    • @stupendousmusic4190
      @stupendousmusic4190 Год назад

      @@Hexspa Contacts at different manufacturers have told me so when I have enquired.

  • @tenissabbalas
    @tenissabbalas 3 года назад +1

    As always , very nice and informative Videos.

  • @Hexspa
    @Hexspa Год назад

    You can keep adding absorption. Just make sure your reflections remain spectrally balanced via the Energy Time Curve measurements. Floyd Toole says people prefer a lot of (spectrally-balanced) liveness but contradicts himself by saying that professionals work in highly-damped environments yet doesn't criticize that fact. Anyway, whether you prefer live or damped, you need to make sure your reflections are not drastically different than your direct sound. That's my understanding up until this point. This is for higher frequencies, mind you, although bass frequencies have similar criteria as outlined by broadcast standards and white papers. Nual Mellor and Jeff Hedback have publications on ETC specifications if you want to dive deeper. Oh, and congrats on your speakers. I'm looking forward to an upgrade at some point myself.

  • @stuff3661
    @stuff3661 Год назад +1

    What is the volume (cubic meters) of the space you're working in?

  • @airforu9923
    @airforu9923 3 года назад

    thanks for this vid bro , always looking for good speakers seem a good price also .been looking to get new speakers for over a year HATE speaker cash on gear coz it never ends . done more research than think and every one says different things .

  • @beautifulscenesinmovie6044
    @beautifulscenesinmovie6044 3 года назад +1

    I Love Neumann KH420...
    It just so beautiful.

  • @RoboticusMusic
    @RoboticusMusic 2 года назад +1

    I didn't really get much information out of this, is there a consensus about the best monitors for Dolby Atmos mixing? What about for all purpose Atmos, production, mixing, and mastering if cost was no issue?

  • @peterpetrus5484
    @peterpetrus5484 2 года назад +1

    Hi streaky I found this video I have kh 310 and one kh 750. You have two kh 750. How did you conected two sub. Is it dual mono . If I understand L output da to L/A input on sub to kh 420 monitor. What is the benefit of two sub in mastering- phase check in mono? Thank you for advice

  • @djcolinturnbull
    @djcolinturnbull 3 года назад +2

    What do you think of the Neumann NDH 20 headphones?

  • @evanmacleod8275
    @evanmacleod8275 3 года назад +1

    have you heard the Nuemann headphones???

  • @Mikefree49TV
    @Mikefree49TV Месяц назад

    What is the matching subwoofer model #?

  • @EyemSoreel
    @EyemSoreel 6 месяцев назад

    I need the 420s. I want the ultimate control when mixing

  • @olivierclasse
    @olivierclasse 3 года назад +3

    Hello 👋 thx for this review, very instructive ! Did you use a Trinnov on it? They now have a Dolby processor I think costing arround 10k ?

  • @ioseppepeppone1264
    @ioseppepeppone1264 2 года назад +1

    Hello Streaky,
    First of all, thank you very much to approach your mastering experience, also some tips & tricks with your sense of humor.
    Second, I have a precise question about NEUMANN KH310 vs Dolby Atmos requirements. Regarding KH310 specs, they offer 95 dB NPS, with a max 116 dB NPS. What Dolby Atmos specs say is the main speakers LCR should have a constant 85dB NPS in sweet spot listening position.
    So why the KH310 do not support Dolby Certification if its specs offer higher SPL levels, considering LCR (3xloudspeakers) add more pressure level than one unit alone (95dB NPS??
    I please you to describe as precise as you can, because I'm now studying to design and construct an Dolby Atmos commercial studio.
    Thanks a lot

  • @LandOfAbundance
    @LandOfAbundance 3 года назад +2

    I do mainly music mastering currently, some mixing and production. Building a new room and looking for a stereo setup that I could expand into atmos later. Obviously these are high on my list and I'm very interested, also because they would probably do well with a range of surrounds. How do you like stereo mastering on these? I'm used to ATCs (old ones, before SL drivers) in a decent room.
    Edit: also interested in what you use for speaker management/calibration. Interested in your whole atmos setup actually, looks like something I could go for.

  • @infinagon
    @infinagon 3 года назад +1

    Nice. What's the name of the isolation stand things you have on you Neumann speakers?

  • @DP-hw9uq
    @DP-hw9uq 3 года назад

    I don don’t know if you already did… but what about a video on how you use your Avid dock? Signal flow etc.

  • @ACDevastation
    @ACDevastation 3 года назад

    Finally. Hopefully I can get these some day, but the KH310s still blow me away every time

  • @johnshepherd708
    @johnshepherd708 2 года назад

    Streaky, Have you had a chance to listen to the new KH150? I know that you are a bid fan of the PSI monitors. How would you compare the PSI M17 to the Neumann KH 120? I am considering the KH 120 or KH 150 and the KH750 in a 2 channel monitoring situation. Your thoughts please? Thank you for your work here. It is very much appreciated....John

  • @techmarinebottomfeeders884
    @techmarinebottomfeeders884 3 года назад +2

    So, I guess you don't do reviews on Genelec.

  • @marshee-5425
    @marshee-5425 3 года назад

    Hi streaky ,
    I’m just about to buy the KH120’s for mixing in my small studio ,are they a much better choice than the adams ?
    Many thanks

  • @thatb7708
    @thatb7708 3 года назад +2

    Yeah I checked these out and they sounded great! At the time for me it was between these and the Genelec 8351bs, which I ended up going for because of transient detail, point source, room practicality
    I feel I made the right decision for me, but to be honest as a listening speaker I tend to prefer the sound of the Neumanns. Good to see you with these and I hope to see more adopt them tbh

  • @lk0707
    @lk0707 3 года назад

    Would you recommend them for Techno producer for everyday production/mixing ?
    I sold my EVE SC307 and replace them with Genelec 1032C - I regretted my decision same day, as Genelec is soo cold and don't have vibe, as EVE's had.

  • @aprstudio7115
    @aprstudio7115 3 года назад

    Nice one mate! Looks like you finally gave in and started mixing and mastering haha!

  • @DrCoy
    @DrCoy 3 года назад

    Thanks for the great vid Streaky! What I would love to see is a video explaining why you decided to keep the Magnetismus 2 and how you like to use it? Also any chance of getting the Schwerkraftmaschine from tegeler in for a review? I love their units but their cryptic website a is a little difficult to get an understanding of their gear tbh.
    Cheers Streaky!

  • @m.cuellar2443
    @m.cuellar2443 3 года назад

    Hi Streaky,
    Please forgive this stupid question, can you please consider reviewing PreSonus monitor speakers from the low, midrange, and high price point?
    If you have already can you please point me to that video?

  • @housewithnonamestudios6269
    @housewithnonamestudios6269 3 года назад

    Wish you've talked more about the other speakers in the Surround system.

  • @dennischam2590
    @dennischam2590 Год назад

    Hi Streaky, how are you routing the LFE in the Atmos Setup? Two 750s seem a little underpowered for your room. Knowing too you’ll need to bass manage your 120s and 80s with the subs as well? Any comments greatly appreciated!

    • @dennischam2590
      @dennischam2590 Год назад

      Oh sorry I saw in your Atmos video you have 3 KH750 subs.

  • @sfm8040
    @sfm8040 2 года назад

    hello streaky, the white diffusers in your studio, are RPG? very thanks

  • @lostintechnology1851
    @lostintechnology1851 3 месяца назад

    thanks based neumann for saving our ears from bad mixes

  • @Markgov
    @Markgov 3 года назад

    Hey Streaky! Just wondering if adding all of this stuff on the opposite side of the kii 3s made them sound different at all or, was it just worth the compromise in your situation?

  • @KeshavDhar
    @KeshavDhar Год назад

    Hey Streaky, did you not fancy the PSIs anymore?

  • @teashea1
    @teashea1 2 года назад

    very nice video - good style - great speakers

  • @andrewshortt4665
    @andrewshortt4665 3 года назад

    What happened to the Focals?!

  • @Rareos
    @Rareos 3 года назад +2

    Didn't fancy the ns10s in dyed mode anymore i see

    • @Streaky_com
      @Streaky_com  3 года назад

      They are in the office…👏🏻 good memory

  • @joseberroa4935
    @joseberroa4935 Год назад +1

    LOl... I think you use the Yamaha's for gamming...

  • @mulleimer5203
    @mulleimer5203 3 года назад +2

    Trying to master on a pair of those 120s would sound like a fun challenge and a great video for us to enjoy ;)

    • @mulleimer5203
      @mulleimer5203 3 года назад

      you could even try and add the subs for the low end, that would be interesting too !

  • @onnooo
    @onnooo 3 года назад +1

    are you using the DSP room eq stuff built in to the sub at all?

  • @weareallbeingwatched4602
    @weareallbeingwatched4602 3 года назад +2

    Sennheiser... the german plastic... with the strange combination of hash and bland... how did they do it? And how do they get it so... flat? Ask Genelec.
    ATC, Westlake, PMC or Quested... just that bit more detail, and so much more smoothness.

  • @VKJ85
    @VKJ85 3 года назад +1

    Doing mixing and mastering Dolby Atmos course?

  • @bigriff9946
    @bigriff9946 3 года назад +3

    i would LOVE to hear this room haha

  • @guidosc3470
    @guidosc3470 Год назад

    Great video ! May I ask how many Subs you use ?!😅

  • @Jaburu
    @Jaburu 3 года назад

    what are the keys?

  • @psystudiouk5034
    @psystudiouk5034 3 года назад +1

    Yes please show us the full tour! :-p X B-)

  • @blastmanutz7798
    @blastmanutz7798 Год назад

    I'd kill for these speakers (not literally lol) - I'm a happy camper with Neumann KH310 set and it's an absolutely awesome piece of gear. My mixes translate the best they ever did, I really connect with the sound philosophy of these speakers, and that's what it's really all about. These should absolutely be the next step, but so is the price, at basically double the price of KH310. But man. This setup must absolutely kill it!

  • @adalundhe
    @adalundhe 3 года назад +1

    One set of speakers you should check out - ExMachina Quasars! I got them March of this year, and they easily rival the best of ATC, Barefoot, potentially even Kii or Dutch & Dutch!

    • @mikeelkios436
      @mikeelkios436 2 года назад

      Yeah I have ATC 19A about to go to Pulsar mk2 . The Exmachinas are off the charts.

    • @JonnyParker-
      @JonnyParker- Год назад

      i wanna hear some of those ExMachina speakers but doubt any shops in UK have them for demo , maybe one or two down London maybe i dunno.

  • @HabibiTommy98
    @HabibiTommy98 3 года назад

    Nothing against PSI.. But great speakers anyway!

  • @joebennett7174
    @joebennett7174 3 года назад

    Neumanns or PSIs?
    Yes would love to see a whole studio tour.

    • @karlzafa
      @karlzafa 3 года назад

      Love the PSI-s. Actually was wondering why Streaky didn't go for PSI-s as he seems to like them aswell a lot.

    • @tugbars4690
      @tugbars4690 3 года назад +2

      Neumann's have better controlled directivity, better waveguides hence better power response. Early reflections of Neumann's in a room are aligned better with the direct sound than it is with PSI's.

    • @joebennett7174
      @joebennett7174 2 года назад

      Appreciate the response guys, big help!

  • @MsCorbacho
    @MsCorbacho Год назад

    Ns 10 for stereo stuff , .....could never understand that !

  • @jotisidhu362
    @jotisidhu362 Год назад

    Stereo ay ?? .. sooo last century innit streaky 😄 (made me lol)

  • @DP-hw9uq
    @DP-hw9uq 3 года назад +1

    Hey Streaky, great video as usual… but… can you lower some 7ks in your camera eq? You esses are coming thru a little too harsh 😁

    • @olivierclasse
      @olivierclasse 3 года назад +1

      Pops out nicely on my iPad

    • @Streaky_com
      @Streaky_com  3 года назад +4

      That’s just your speakers 😂😂

  • @Jupiter1423
    @Jupiter1423 3 года назад +1

    How the holy hell did you afford that kii system a pair retails for $46kUSD - most people cant even afford a car that costly

  • @frankfarago2825
    @frankfarago2825 2 года назад +1

    Okay, so I already saw photos of this monitor on the Neurmann Germany website. I was hoping for an actual demo of this thing -- you know, feed some actual audio signal into the actual box and actually power it on, stuff like that, see? No such luck, apparently. Oh well, whatever.

    • @homo192
      @homo192 Год назад

      Are you serious about this? I read a similar comment from you on a KH 310 video. So you're longing to experience how they sound through a compressed youtube video, recorded through a microphone and stuff, listening through which system..?! That's freaking hillarious. 😂But maybe you think they're a scam and you just want a proof of them being able to actually produce some fart noises at least. Who knows... 🙄

  • @DP-hw9uq
    @DP-hw9uq 3 года назад +1

    Being so boringly neutral… do you think they would be good for mastering as well?

    • @thatb7708
      @thatb7708 3 года назад +1

      I actually found them rather exciting personally. Just not as much as ATCs which are gorgeous and musical sounding

    • @Streaky_com
      @Streaky_com  3 года назад +1

      ATC mid range is amazing…bass is lacking in the wrong room though

    • @Streaky_com
      @Streaky_com  3 года назад

      Perfect for mastering in a large treated room

  • @arkh1730
    @arkh1730 3 года назад

    Nice 👍👍👍

  • @LeoAtlantideo
    @LeoAtlantideo Год назад +1

    ...and you dare calling them "BORING"..?... moreover, with "…But I Bought Them!" You deeply offend who saved for long time or worked hard to buy them.and if you say "BIG & BORING…But", i don't think your ears or the part of your brain connected to them working so fine...

  • @bluematrix5001
    @bluematrix5001 3 года назад +1

    YOU YOU ARE USING DIFFERENT SPEAKER MODELS ON YOUR ATMOS SYSTEM, AND WHEN I ASKED FEW DAYS AGO IF WAS POSSIBLE TO USE DIFFERENT SPEAKER MODELS U SAID NO!

    • @cycleofficial4744
      @cycleofficial4744 3 года назад

      maybe some misunderstanding about using different speaker brands or he don't wanna hang big 420s also on the ceiling and rather use smaller ones there

    • @bluematrix5001
      @bluematrix5001 3 года назад

      @@cycleofficial4744 EXACTLY, sounds logical that you L-R speaker
      would be different and the rest another brand/model

  • @johirahmed4563
    @johirahmed4563 2 года назад

    Hi

  • @Underview
    @Underview 3 года назад

    The Kii Threes don’t fix early reflections. Shame shame streaky.

    • @Streaky_com
      @Streaky_com  3 года назад

      Sorry

    • @olivierclasse
      @olivierclasse 3 года назад +2

      Hi, it’s Always a nice thing to write Shame shame about things that isn’t 100 % accurate. let’s try for exemple with your comment, you wrote « streaky » it should be written Streaky with a « S » not « s » or « Kii three » not « Kii Three ». Do you think we should write « Shame shame @Underview” about your comment. Please let me know, it s alway nice to learn this isn’t it?

    • @LostInPresets
      @LostInPresets 3 года назад +2

      @@olivierclasse Also, each Kii Three speaker effectively has a 2 meter square baffle which makes frequency’s very directional so less need for first reflection treatment… I think.

  • @ephjaymusic
    @ephjaymusic 3 года назад +2

    420 eh.... 😉

  • @Mix3dbyMark
    @Mix3dbyMark 2 года назад

    lol "grreat"