Doesn’t think The Wire have redeemable characters, but loves The Sopranos, where Tony is the most likeable character but only cause he thinks what he’s doing might be bad but still does it all the time
Ya this clip is full of borderline embarrassingly bad takes. And I probably prefer The Spranos by a tiny bit. The scene with Rawls is great writing and is exactly who that character is.
@@justincoleman3805 Breaking Bad is certainly overrated. Besides Walt, and the Hispanic drug Lord; the acting is very shaky. However The Sopranos is a masterpiece. The way I look it as far as Wire vs Sopranos is they are the two greatest shows of all time and equals. Sopranos is more entertaining, The Wire is the greater a.c. accomplishment. Both are some of the greatest art ever created......TV or movie.
Drew Fleming I’ve seen a lot of shows and Sopranos is definitely up there just but it never clicked with me in a way it does with so many people. I’m guessing that’s what happened with Nick and The Wire, but yeah his criticisms are confusing. Especially as I said to criticize the characters when The wire has some of the most deeply human characters in the history of TV
I feel like sopranos is the toppest tier of the emotional side and The Wire is the toppest tier of the realistic logical side. The sopranos looks like it's about crime at first but really, as it goes on, sopranos is way more about infidelity, one sided relationships, straining dedicated love with betrayal, mental issues etc. The wire isn't looking to get you on the side of it's characters, isn't getting you on the side of an antihero apart from omar. In the wire everyone is shitty and the moral line is blurred because that's what real life is like.
I wont lie, I have both shows totally memorized. But Sopranos was hard as hell to go back after the Wire. Maybe that's just me, but I do think The Wire is the most important show ever.
There's a youtube vid about this, where it says both shows are basically two sides of the same coin: the psychological, introspective side, and the one that looks that all the elements relating to eachother and overall, the bigger picture. It was really good, just look up "the wire sopranos" and it'll probably show up.
Totally agree. additionally, the wire's the only show really to take on such structural and systemic issues, and does an amazing job in showing how they're institutionalized to the point of self preservation. its amazing
@David Ransom It was so sad that Gary overdosing was almost a happy ending for him. And I don't even mean that in some twisted attempt at humor, he was finally relieved of the pain. And People Get Ready was a beautiful song to end it.
I vividly remember watching all of The Wire whilst unemployed. I used to go to the job centre every day, get KFC on my way back and watch endless episodes back-to-back. Good times.
everyone says that though, so maybe it's not underrated. I think it's just that aside from introducing the Greeks, pretty much nothing from Season 2 plugged in to the big narrative threads so it's kind of this weird thematic and setting shift that doesn't flow as smoothly and organically into the other seasons
I know it’s not too in depth of an observation, but sobotka is missing something. He just never feels like a strong protagonist (or even antihero) in the story. On a related note, ziggy plays way too much of role for being such an shitty and dumb person.
I think if you like Prop Joe you have to pan the wire for how bad the last season was to him. Prop Joe suddenly goes from the smartest criminal on the show to a moron and introduces Marlo to every one of his connections. Marlo, who is clearly the most dangerous, sociopathic crime boss on the show. Then Joe is completely shocked when - having made himself no longer useful to Marlo - is murdered by him. The writers sacrificed character for plot. A moronic plot.
If you really want to troll the internet, don't say The Wire sucks. Say it was just ok. It was like when Bill Murray yelled at Chevy Chase "Medium talent!"
I mean, the characterization of Marlos crew is that they're fucked up and kinda autistic, even for street dealers. there's supposed to be something in every other criminal, almost to a fault. Bodie, Omar, fucking Stringer at some points, every guy on the docks lol, charles, (not prop Joe he's a Sopranos style 'disgusting snake who is very funny')
Like they work to make Chris, a terrifying guy with like 100 bodies look cute. He's autistic as shit, loves his family and catalogs Baltimore club music at an autists level. The sopranos doesn't need to do that w anyone because theyre just funny and likeable in spite of it all. Except the guy that wacks Phil I guess but he wasn't around for long
I stopped watching when they said McNulty was bad at his job... LMAO. Him being such an amazing detective - at the cost of everything that makes him happy and healthy - is the CORE of his character. Even other cops call him an asshole but respect how good he is. Rough take...
@@gustavmarie that’s cool but I don’t think he was saying mcnulty was the best one on the show. Mcnultys whole thing is he thinks he’s the smartest on the show and attempts to prove it at all costs. But really, it’s not that he’s smarter, he just actually tries in a system where no one else really does.
marudoethiopia Omar is real, he was a consultant to the show, except he wasn’t gay. Also Brother Mouzone is based on the FOI paramilitary branch from the Nation of Islam which is known to hire out private security that dresses in tuxedos.
@@DatNiceDude Omar wasn't real. There was a soldier gangster that robbed other dealers who his character is loosely based on. The character on the show is very silly and cartoonish. So is Brother Mouzone. A bookish NOI-stereotype from the 70s who has the biggest strongest most magical gun in the world that other killers are afraid of is fucking stupid. Both of these guys are like Sil or Paulie from the Sopranos
@T D if the wire was slow so was the sopranos and there was no lack of redeemable characters in the wire which was nicks argument which is vehemently false. The wire was dry mind you but people like dry for example the office (us) is like the sopranos which is very easy to enjoy and the wire is like the office (uk) which is very dry and hard to watch which is an acquired taste. Objectively neither sopranos or the wire gets the better of the other but thats where personal taste comes in.
The Wire is hands down one of the best tv series ever made. No happy ending, just a raw representation of the broken nature of reality within a large city.
I'm rewatching the series for the 5th time, it a masterpiece imo. The amount of great characters is amazing to me and idk if I can name my fav. Cutty, Omar, bub's. Also the story of Michael and Dukie is so heartbreaking.
Lol an ending where everything *LITERALLY* starts all over again, some kid becomes the next omar, some kid because the next mcnulty s9me kid becomes the next bubbles, blah blah neat little contrived package
It honestly hurts to hear how idiotic his movie and TV tastes are because i find him so funny I start to question why I like someone that could have such shittt taste.
Sopranos is a brainlet tier show compared to The Wire. I'll agree that its really depressing though, and if you just want to see endlessly glorifying criminals you just watch Sopranos.
The Wire may be slow but that just adds to the realism. But you are correct there are some dumb scenes that are product of the time it was made. But same exact thing can said about The Sopranos.
The Wire is a better overall story. It builds upon itself with each episode and the passage of time is realistic. The Sopranos just feels like random days in the life of Tony and his friends for a majority of the series. Each episode of the Sopranos is great, but the overall story can be a bit of a mess sometimes and very predictable. It suffers the problem of revolving characters being introduced each season only for them to be killed halfway in or at the end. Each new character is fantastic, but in the back of your head you just know that they're not gonna last long. Tony B, Feech, Ralphie, and Richie all had giant red flags the moment they where introduced. The Wire let's the characters grow with each season and you start to care for them and it makes their deaths hit harder. Biggest complaint I have with the Wire was how they treated Mcnulty's character in the last season. He had finally let things go in the previous season and then they regressed him back to caring too much about the job and the whole serial killer storyline was just not good.
Zikk I agree with everything you said. The Wire was a revolving wheel of stories that got passed to other characters as time went on. The Wire has a better ending as well.
@@steveanderson5605 Yeah, I can re-watch the Wire all the way to the very end. With the Sopranos I always stop right before the last episode or the one before it, lol. I just can't get over the very last scene.
Even the silly dialogue is put in there, I think, just to break up the bleakness of the show. Half the characters are basically saying "yeah the system is fucked, we all agree it's broken and needs fixing... But I gotta eat, so I have no choice but to participate until I can figure out a way to make a living somehow"
@@funtourhawk I don't get this at all. I've watched through 3 times and every time I watch I want to non-stop. It's more interesting to me than melodrama or artificial drama. It just feels good to watch. It's interesting and relaxing but I've never been bored watching it.
I was impressed by the knowledge these guys displayed about Baltimore accents (including the separation between the very different white and black accents)
"It moves too slow." A quote from a video analyzing it put it best... "The Wire does not grab your attention, it requires it, and once you start paying attention, it will reward you."
@@ClintEatswood I've been watching it since like 2002, it was my ABSOLUTE favorite show for years and years. But, whenever I introduced somebody to the show for the first time, I had to apologize for the first two seasons. With the sopranos, every season was good, the 4th season was the slowest, but it was still pretty good. The reason I said it's easy to shit on the wire in 2020, is because it's been duplicated so many times in the past 18 years, that it doesn't seem as good up against something like "Power". It's the same way that the Simpsons can't be funny anymore because of all the shows that tried to duplicate them after the fact.
@MrBrenman21 I know. And I agree. Sopranos finished out the 90's. The Wire welcomed in the the early 2000's, I was there for the premier of both. I still remember those soprano's spoofs on mad tv back in the day.
I actually like having the show mostly casting character and local actors/non actors because the performances don't drown out the actual subject matter and people are awkward and speak poorly in real life all the time. Also I agree with Adam about Season 2 being the best.
People don't like season 2 because it introduces a bunch of characters that nobody has any investment in, and people are like WTF is this. But by the middle of the season it's totally on and the payoff is the best. Best season by far.
The effort and skill to edit this together is jaw dropping. It surpasses million dollar production studios and teams of people imo. Every single beat is seamless.
the wire is so full of quality, cinematography, acting, writing. even if you dont like it you have to admit its a very well day portrayal of how institutions fail our society
Frank Sobatka was portrayed by actor Chris Bauer. Season 2 was released in June 2003, likely filmed in 2002. So Chris would have been roughly 36 years old when they filmed. He looks really old
@@drewfleming5584 Eh, its slowness (i.e. realism) is valid, I can see it being a subjective thing. The acting being bad also might be valid for someone with a better eye for it, and the accents too. I don't get the hate on season 5 though, sure McNulty's scheme could be nitpicked I guess, but I thought the journalism plotline was very interesting and funny.
@@Zambicus I have a pretty good eye for acting, and the acting in The Wire is for the most part fantastic. If it's too slow for some, I get that. Otherwise the criticisms here are ridiculous.
It didn't have the flair of the sopranos or a mafia show in general, but I remember liking it. It was minimalist but somehow the attention to detail and the stories kept it interesting. For me at least it made it seem somehow more real.
VHS Copy of Seinfeld that's what I like about it, every cop/gangster series before that was just too caricatural, I enjoyed those as a child but as I became a young adult I started finding those super corny, now at 32 I'm realizing most these series were nothing but police propaganda
Samuel Brown no the lamest goal possible for a television show is to set out solely for the achievement of high ratings while undermining the original endeavor of the creators....
@@deeznoots6241 well. He has a patreon or something in that vain That shit takes him a long time to produce, theres no way this man just shouldnt get compensated and the fact that people are actually helping him out OPTIONALLY speaks volumes
Nick is just angry he can’t really make fun of the wire like he can the sopranos, because the wire is a lot more realistic and serious, while the sopranos is a lot more over the top.
You're a legend. Your ability to edit these podcasts is on par with what is probably going on inside of their heads while they talk. "Because I munch box" with that Muppet Munch, like how the fuck did you think to put that in there. The other channels that try this same thing with Cumtown don't even come close.
Also, outside of Bubbles and Snoop they forgot there were black people in The Wire. In terms of scenes, dialogue and acting there are story threads woven completely by black characters that are Shakespearian. The Avon, Brianna, Stringer triangle over the murder of D'Angelo where Avon needed him dead but didn't order it, Stringer had it done but doesn't tell anyone and Brianna suspects but doesn't know. There was a lot of bad acting in the wire but Michael Hyatt was constantly Incredible. What about the ballad of Bodie Broadus? How do you forget such a tragic, funny, monstrous and completely likeable character? A child who murders his close friend on orders who becomes a man finally murdered himself for not taking orders. What about Wee-Bey ordering his wife, De'Londa, to get her claws out of their son so he can stop making her money and start living a better life with Bunny? Like... did they watch the same series I did or is there some white American cut that I missed?
The Wire is one of those shows you watch once, and just don't know what to do in life afterwards. The typical "now what" syndrome is pervasive. The show is fucking 10/10, if not 11/10. Anyone who thinks differently really doesn't get how brilliant the show and the performances is/are. Fuck, I'd take a forget-me-now and do it all over.
The writers made the characters in The Wire incredibly lifelike. I cant tell you how many times I'm just at work, and me and my co-workers just say "fuuuuuck."
I love The Wire, in spite of the many things that are wrong with it: the uneven casting, the overdone and unbelievable dialogue, and the unsubtle college paper thesis-y messaging. Still great.
it's shown many times that rawls is just playing a character himself by being an asshole boss. he is an asshole, he just overexagerates it at work because that is what is expected of him. it's shown much more clearly in season 4 or 5 when he gets to a higher rank and is being extra loud/theatrical when Burrel, his boss, is around. hell, it's even spelled out with the reveal of him hanging out at gay bars despite being an homophobic jerk. how anyone can watch the "two fingers" scene and think "yes, this is how we are supposed to believe rawls naturally acts, this is how people behave, this is done without any kind of self-awareness" is a little baffling
The Wire requires more like, nuance to enjoy. It's brilliant. It makes the action feel way more horrifying when the show establishes the routine of the entire town, cause it's always coming but you never know how. Sopranos pretty much warns you for the entire episode before any action happens, then it's over before it even goes balls deep. People lived too long on Sopranos imo.
The sopranos doesn't have a surprise main cast death until like 6b it's ridiculous. Everyone who dies is either expendable, telegraphed a season or two before, or an asshole that tony hated anyway so it doesn't matter
Sopranos and the wire is apples and oranges. Sopranos is a character driven show with incredible writing and actors, and the Wire is an ensemble cast that is basically a Shakespearean tragedy set in the hood. I do agree that sometimes the acting on the Wire is just plain bad, but the show is more than the sum of it's parts. It's really trying to tell a meaningful story, and maybe show people what life is really like for a lot of people in the projects. If I had to choose tho I'm going Sopranos every time.
Having a squeaky clean, morally infallible protagonist may work in some shows, but it isn't realistic. Everyone is deeply flawed, no matter how good a person they are or try to be. That's a part of what makes The Wire so good.
If there was a season set in new york with an italian American cast it would be the greatest show of all time in nick's mind
there it is boys, da statchu.....of libertianzo
Wait... Isn't that the Soprano's?
@@stoneyitis_burnstrees new jersey
@@bennolaaa they spend plenty of time in NY fella.
Compassionate Predator not really because New York is so much bigger. But location wise sure.
Doesn’t think The Wire have redeemable characters, but loves The Sopranos, where Tony is the most likeable character but only cause he thinks what he’s doing might be bad but still does it all the time
@dragonsder I love the Sopranos but Tony is a monster; an atrocious human being.
Ya this clip is full of borderline embarrassingly bad takes. And I probably prefer The Spranos by a tiny bit. The scene with Rawls is great writing and is exactly who that character is.
Sopranos and Breaking Bad are super overrated. Might as well be a fan of Glee.
@@justincoleman3805 Breaking Bad is certainly overrated. Besides Walt, and the Hispanic drug Lord; the acting is very shaky. However The Sopranos is a masterpiece.
The way I look it as far as Wire vs Sopranos is they are the two greatest shows of all time and equals. Sopranos is more entertaining, The Wire is the greater a.c. accomplishment. Both are some of the greatest art ever created......TV or movie.
Drew Fleming I’ve seen a lot of shows and Sopranos is definitely up there just but it never clicked with me in a way it does with so many people. I’m guessing that’s what happened with Nick and The Wire, but yeah his criticisms are confusing. Especially as I said to criticize the characters when The wire has some of the most deeply human characters in the history of TV
I feel like sopranos is the toppest tier of the emotional side and The Wire is the toppest tier of the realistic logical side. The sopranos looks like it's about crime at first but really, as it goes on, sopranos is way more about infidelity, one sided relationships, straining dedicated love with betrayal, mental issues etc. The wire isn't looking to get you on the side of it's characters, isn't getting you on the side of an antihero apart from omar. In the wire everyone is shitty and the moral line is blurred because that's what real life is like.
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I wont lie, I have both shows totally memorized. But Sopranos was hard as hell to go back after the Wire. Maybe that's just me, but I do think The Wire is the most important show ever.
There's a youtube vid about this, where it says both shows are basically two sides of the same coin: the psychological, introspective side, and the one that looks that all the elements relating to eachother and overall, the bigger picture. It was really good, just look up "the wire sopranos" and it'll probably show up.
Totally agree. additionally, the wire's the only show really to take on such structural and systemic issues, and does an amazing job in showing how they're institutionalized to the point of self preservation. its amazing
The main character of The Wire is the city itself and its inability to be reformed due to the systemic corruption.
Thought it was cool when McNulty's gay boss voiced Caesar in Fallout: New Vegas
no shit? that's cool I didn't even know that.
Damn, I didn't believe you till I looked it up. That game just gets better with every random fact I learn about it
John Tapp
Benny is voiced by the guy who plays chandler from Friends
@@95Bartlett truth is Joey, could this game be any more rigged from the start?
And Legate Lanius is voiced by Mike Diesel
I gotta hard disagree with nick here. The wire was awesome
@David Ransom the corner was damn good but the wire is just version 2.0
@David Ransom the Corner is great but so depressing
@David Ransom It was so sad that Gary overdosing was almost a happy ending for him. And I don't even mean that in some twisted attempt at humor, he was finally relieved of the pain. And People Get Ready was a beautiful song to end it.
The wire is the best. Hands down.
Sopranos close second.
@Queue Kumber why?
I vividly remember watching all of The Wire whilst unemployed. I used to go to the job centre every day, get KFC on my way back and watch endless episodes back-to-back. Good times.
way to make lemonade!
@Pierce Moore idk eating kfc while watching the greatest show of all time and not working? To me that’s a vacation.
I like you, Boris. I hope you're in a happy place in your life.
You make me proud to be an American, son.
@@juancosta7162hahaha same
Season 2 is underappreciated. Sobotka's story was awesome and tragic.
Sabotka did nothing right.
everyone says that though, so maybe it's not underrated. I think it's just that aside from introducing the Greeks, pretty much nothing from Season 2 plugged in to the big narrative threads so it's kind of this weird thematic and setting shift that doesn't flow as smoothly and organically into the other seasons
I know it’s not too in depth of an observation, but sobotka is missing something. He just never feels like a strong protagonist (or even antihero) in the story. On a related note, ziggy plays way too much of role for being such an shitty and dumb person.
@@ch33se60 Ziggy was one of the most frustrating characters to watch of all time. You want to reach into the screen and shake some sense into him.
Exactly - the ending fucked my up
Stav stood up against conceited gayness in his one
Respect
Standing up to Wire fanboys? Only a little bit.
salute
The Wire is a 10/10 for Prop Joe alone.
I think if you like Prop Joe you have to pan the wire for how bad the last season was to him.
Prop Joe suddenly goes from the smartest criminal on the show to a moron and introduces Marlo to every one of his connections. Marlo, who is clearly the most dangerous, sociopathic crime boss on the show.
Then Joe is completely shocked when - having made himself no longer useful to Marlo - is murdered by him.
The writers sacrificed character for plot. A moronic plot.
that's a funny way of spelling Omar
@@dx315 The Marlo storyline was solid to the end
@@ja3482 indeed sir
@@ja3482 he followed Prop Joe to the meeting. Prop Joe didn’t introduce him to The Greeks
That one white police cheif dude's Baltimore accent was legit too.
He said balmer, not Baltimore.
And said "I don't know" just like "ow no"
It's pronounced "Balmur"!
That's the real Jay Landesman lol
I thought mcnulty's was pretty good but all i got to compare it with is dundalk guy
@@jzenhenko
It was less noticable by season 3.
Nick has worse media comprehension than Stav, who has seen 1 movie and 2 shows.
stav is literally the best reviewer on letterboxd
Nick's recollection of Seagal movies is second to none though.
He has got to have the worst 'taste/amount of movies&tv he has watched' ratio of any human on earth
@@michaels6391 and that's why they silenced him
Most of that being Greek porn.
If you really want to troll the internet, don't say The Wire sucks. Say it was just ok. It was like when Bill Murray yelled at Chevy Chase "Medium talent!"
A fuckin men
Not gonna lie, 45 seconds in and I was raging. It did prompt me to rematch the wire 6th time, so all well that ends well
thank you mr wisdom
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit
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Yes! The Wire is the hackiest show ever.
This comment is Bunk.
Justin Coleman this comment is Senator Clay Davis, not Bunk.
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIT
The Wire has way more redeeming characters than The Sopranos. The Sopranos characters are only redeeming because of how funny they are.
@MrBrenman21 I like/enjoy watching the characters in The Sopranos, but I don't actually like them as people (as characters).
so true
@Blood Satellite Lol no what are you talking about
I mean, the characterization of Marlos crew is that they're fucked up and kinda autistic, even for street dealers. there's supposed to be something in every other criminal, almost to a fault. Bodie, Omar, fucking Stringer at some points, every guy on the docks lol, charles, (not prop Joe he's a Sopranos style 'disgusting snake who is very funny')
Like they work to make Chris, a terrifying guy with like 100 bodies look cute. He's autistic as shit, loves his family and catalogs Baltimore club music at an autists level. The sopranos doesn't need to do that w anyone because theyre just funny and likeable in spite of it all. Except the guy that wacks Phil I guess but he wasn't around for long
Nick doesn't know what good PO-lice entails.
I loved The Wire. I'm gonna rewatch it for sure.
Yea, some people prefer watching gay sex in Oz.
I stopped watching when they said McNulty was bad at his job... LMAO. Him being such an amazing detective - at the cost of everything that makes him happy and healthy - is the CORE of his character. Even other cops call him an asshole but respect how good he is. Rough take...
I was looking for this comment, thank you lol
Natural PO-lice
Lester was a better detective than McNulty.
@@gustavmarie that’s cool but I don’t think he was saying mcnulty was the best one on the show. Mcnultys whole thing is he thinks he’s the smartest on the show and attempts to prove it at all costs. But really, it’s not that he’s smarter, he just actually tries in a system where no one else really does.
@@bergonath8851 oh indeed
The wire is so depressing. Cause that school curriculum stuff is so real.
So is everything else in it really
@@стрелок-ч7р No, a lot of it is cartoons. Brother Mouzone. Omar.
marudoethiopia Omar is real, he was a consultant to the show, except he wasn’t gay. Also Brother Mouzone is based on the FOI paramilitary branch from the Nation of Islam which is known to hire out private security that dresses in tuxedos.
@@DatNiceDude Omar wasn't real. There was a soldier gangster that robbed other dealers who his character is loosely based on. The character on the show is very silly and cartoonish. So is Brother Mouzone. A bookish NOI-stereotype from the 70s who has the biggest strongest most magical gun in the world that other killers are afraid of is fucking stupid. Both of these guys are like Sil or Paulie from the Sopranos
@@marudoethiopia agree 100% the show would be better without them
*None of the characters have redeeming qualities " says the guy who likes sopranos. Almost half the cast had a redeeming arc in the wire.
@MrBrenman21 can you read?
You know who had an arc? Noah
@MrBrenman21 fair enough
@T D if the wire was slow so was the sopranos and there was no lack of redeemable characters in the wire which was nicks argument which is vehemently false. The wire was dry mind you but people like dry for example the office (us) is like the sopranos which is very easy to enjoy and the wire is like the office (uk) which is very dry and hard to watch which is an acquired taste. Objectively neither sopranos or the wire gets the better of the other but thats where personal taste comes in.
@T D redeemed is upto interpretation but redeeming qualities aren't. Im tired of explaining such a simple concept
The Wire is hands down one of the best tv series ever made. No happy ending, just a raw representation of the broken nature of reality within a large city.
I'm rewatching the series for the 5th time, it a masterpiece imo. The amount of great characters is amazing to me and idk if I can name my fav. Cutty, Omar, bub's. Also the story of Michael and Dukie is so heartbreaking.
Can’t be better than breaking bad surely? Not seen the wire
@@georgepaul1613 you're in for a treat. Have you seen The Sopranos?
@@kjr4946 no been meaning to watch both of them
Lol an ending where everything *LITERALLY* starts all over again, some kid becomes the next omar, some kid because the next mcnulty s9me kid becomes the next bubbles, blah blah neat little contrived package
The whole time I thought Stav’s Baltimore accent was just a nothing voice, but it’s WILDY accurate
SAME I just thought he was doing a bit impression of I don't even know what
Walldly
Yeah anyone from md knows already
@@Official2Shitty yeah I’m sure people from bel air or Germantown know what an authentic Baltimore accent sounds like
“But like, when stuff happens, it happens a lot”
-The Mind
Nick's TV and movie takes are WILD
nick is a based movie buff
It honestly hurts to hear how idiotic his movie and TV tastes are because i find him so funny I start to question why I like someone that could have such shittt taste.
Yeah.. I think this is the only thing I've ever disagreed with...the wire is AWESOME
"you compare it to the sopranos and the sopranos is way better" what a hard disagree. sopranos was fine but the wire is art!!
They called lord of the rings gay once
Sopranos is a brainlet tier show compared to The Wire. I'll agree that its really depressing though, and if you just want to see endlessly glorifying criminals you just watch Sopranos.
Anything staring Mike Diesel kills!
@Samuel Brown I have no idea what you just said
The Wire may be slow but that just adds to the realism. But you are correct there are some dumb scenes that are product of the time it was made. But same exact thing can said about The Sopranos.
The Wire is a better overall story. It builds upon itself with each episode and the passage of time is realistic. The Sopranos just feels like random days in the life of Tony and his friends for a majority of the series. Each episode of the Sopranos is great, but the overall story can be a bit of a mess sometimes and very predictable. It suffers the problem of revolving characters being introduced each season only for them to be killed halfway in or at the end. Each new character is fantastic, but in the back of your head you just know that they're not gonna last long. Tony B, Feech, Ralphie, and Richie all had giant red flags the moment they where introduced.
The Wire let's the characters grow with each season and you start to care for them and it makes their deaths hit harder. Biggest complaint I have with the Wire was how they treated Mcnulty's character in the last season. He had finally let things go in the previous season and then they regressed him back to caring too much about the job and the whole serial killer storyline was just not good.
Zikk I agree with everything you said. The Wire was a revolving wheel of stories that got passed to other characters as time went on. The Wire has a better ending as well.
@@steveanderson5605 Yeah, I can re-watch the Wire all the way to the very end. With the Sopranos I always stop right before the last episode or the one before it, lol. I just can't get over the very last scene.
Even the silly dialogue is put in there, I think, just to break up the bleakness of the show. Half the characters are basically saying "yeah the system is fucked, we all agree it's broken and needs fixing... But I gotta eat, so I have no choice but to participate until I can figure out a way to make a living somehow"
Title should be "Nick Mullen Besmirches 'The Wire'"
The Wire is a great show.
yes
Nick doesn’t care about black people
I mean, they are obviously missing the point to hella shit but its funny when they do.
Blood Satellite you DO know that both shows can be great, right?
Blood Satellite c'mon, dude be serious. What don't you like about the wire?
Well this just a bad take on a great show.
Indeed
It's really boring though, not great
Not a great show, stop baiting people into it
@@funtourhawk I don't get this at all. I've watched through 3 times and every time I watch I want to non-stop. It's more interesting to me than melodrama or artificial drama. It just feels good to watch. It's interesting and relaxing but I've never been bored watching it.
I agree but the jokes were really funny
We need to hear Snoop say Aaron earned an iron urn.
I was impressed by the knowledge these guys displayed about Baltimore accents (including the separation between the very different white and black accents)
Nick and Stav are from there.
It’s like that in Philly too. Both the accents are siblings too.
@@Skeptidelphian its almost sing songy
On top of that, its like the dirty souf touched the east coast
Wow it’s almost like 2/3 of the podcast are from Baltimore
"It moves too slow."
A quote from a video analyzing it put it best...
"The Wire does not grab your attention, it requires it, and once you start paying attention, it will reward you."
like how fast should a 5 season series be, idiots
a.k.a. "yeah it's boring"
@@nekitamol1k242 go watch a marvel movie or something then bozo
Damn it! That is good
@@peterstepenosky5790 wow you must be 56
It's easy to judge the wire from 2020.
Back in 2002, it was ground breaking.
It's still way better than Sopranos, even in 2020. I've seen it all over like 8 times now I think.
@@ClintEatswood yep even though the wire isn't the best thr sopranos will always play second fiddle to it
@@ClintEatswood
I've been watching it since like 2002, it was my ABSOLUTE favorite show for years and years.
But, whenever I introduced somebody to the show for the first time, I had to apologize for the first two seasons.
With the sopranos, every season was good, the 4th season was the slowest, but it was still pretty good.
The reason I said it's easy to shit on the wire in 2020, is because it's been duplicated so many times in the past 18 years, that it doesn't seem as good up against something like "Power".
It's the same way that the Simpsons can't be funny anymore because of all the shows that tried to duplicate them after the fact.
@MrBrenman21
I know.
And I agree.
Sopranos finished out the 90's.
The Wire welcomed in the the early 2000's, I was there for the premier of both.
I still remember those soprano's spoofs on mad tv back in the day.
@@johnholmeswebb8162 Hannibal is probably my favorite show now. Mr.Robot 2nd. The Wire 3rd.
I actually like having the show mostly casting character and local actors/non actors because the performances don't drown out the actual subject matter and people are awkward and speak poorly in real life all the time. Also I agree with Adam about Season 2 being the best.
People don't like season 2 because it introduces a bunch of characters that nobody has any investment in, and people are like WTF is this. But by the middle of the season it's totally on and the payoff is the best. Best season by far.
How could people have such a great grasp on a show and also not get it at the same time haha
Nick‘s Baltimore voice is unbelievably accurate MD boys should know
I’m a longshoreman , season 2 is dope
You guys watched the greatest show of all time while half-asleep, apparently.
The Wire is complete ass. Boring AF.
Cope, show is boring and glorified by redditors because of black people.
Forreal
At first I thought maybe they didn’t watch the whole thing but then they know it in great detail lol
Sopranos is better
The amount of effort that goes into these comps🔥
Found the gang through this channel and still appreciating it😭
The effort and skill to edit this together is jaw dropping. It surpasses million dollar production studios and teams of people imo. Every single beat is seamless.
the wire is so full of quality, cinematography, acting, writing. even if you dont like it you have to admit its a very well day portrayal of how institutions fail our society
"the wire is ok" lolololol
I watched the entire series in 2 weeks just so I can fully enjoy this clip
It gets better every time you rewatch it. It realistic and it doesn't need fake characters for the audience to fall in love with.
Gay
Frank Sobatka was portrayed by actor Chris Bauer.
Season 2 was released in June 2003, likely filmed in 2002.
So Chris would have been roughly 36 years old when they filmed. He looks really old
ClangersTV? More like BangersTV.
Solid editing as usual. Salute.
shout out clangers for giving us something to watch so we can’t smoke crack while we listen to this
I won't stand for this Wire bashing either. Valid criticisms for the most part, but I still think it has qualities that are unmatched to this day.
the criticisms are idiotic
@@drewfleming5584 Eh, its slowness (i.e. realism) is valid, I can see it being a subjective thing. The acting being bad also might be valid for someone with a better eye for it, and the accents too. I don't get the hate on season 5 though, sure McNulty's scheme could be nitpicked I guess, but I thought the journalism plotline was very interesting and funny.
@@Zambicus I have a pretty good eye for acting, and the acting in The Wire is for the most part fantastic. If it's too slow for some, I get that. Otherwise the criticisms here are ridiculous.
The Wire is gay
@@turbomunch No u
It didn't have the flair of the sopranos or a mafia show in general, but I remember liking it. It was minimalist but somehow the attention to detail and the stories kept it interesting. For me at least it made it seem somehow more real.
Because that shit is as real as it gets for television programming.
VHS Copy of Seinfeld that's what I like about it, every cop/gangster series before that was just too caricatural, I enjoyed those as a child but as I became a young adult I started finding those super corny, now at 32 I'm realizing most these series were nothing but police propaganda
Samuel Brown no the lamest goal possible for a television show is to set out solely for the achievement of high ratings while undermining the original endeavor of the creators....
The Wire was ahead of its time. Great show
Ayo, String--Where Wallace at?
Very committed and impressive editing. So much so that I question why you do it without getting paid
he does it
>FOR FREE
For all we know, he does this professionally when not making cumtown vids
Because the profit incentive is not the only reason for people to do stuff.
"Content producers" for youtube get paid if they produce quality content dumbass.
@@deeznoots6241 well. He has a patreon or something in that vain
That shit takes him a long time to produce, theres no way this man just shouldnt get compensated and the fact that people are actually helping him out OPTIONALLY speaks volumes
I like how the writing for McNulte’s boss is just Ricky from TPB doing the double whammy in the hospital
Nick is just angry he can’t really make fun of the wire like he can the sopranos, because the wire is a lot more realistic and serious, while the sopranos is a lot more over the top.
Nick is an oppositional moron he knows no other way
Nick was bullied by Chris Partlow in school and now hates the Wire
You're a legend. Your ability to edit these podcasts is on par with what is probably going on inside of their heads while they talk. "Because I munch box" with that Muppet Munch, like how the fuck did you think to put that in there. The other channels that try this same thing with Cumtown don't even come close.
Yeah dude. This guy has some real talent
The Wire just might be the best show made so far
"Yeah the Wire isn't that good" *immediately proceeds to remember a dozen different awesome moments*
Also, outside of Bubbles and Snoop they forgot there were black people in The Wire. In terms of scenes, dialogue and acting there are story threads woven completely by black characters that are Shakespearian. The Avon, Brianna, Stringer triangle over the murder of D'Angelo where Avon needed him dead but didn't order it, Stringer had it done but doesn't tell anyone and Brianna suspects but doesn't know. There was a lot of bad acting in the wire but Michael Hyatt was constantly Incredible. What about the ballad of Bodie Broadus? How do you forget such a tragic, funny, monstrous and completely likeable character? A child who murders his close friend on orders who becomes a man finally murdered himself for not taking orders. What about Wee-Bey ordering his wife, De'Londa, to get her claws out of their son so he can stop making her money and start living a better life with Bunny? Like... did they watch the same series I did or is there some white American cut that I missed?
Some people stop paying attention when there's no white characters on screen
just now realizing the entire pod needs classical jazz playing the whole time.
Nick is tripping, The Wire is incredible.
Mid
The Wire is one of those shows you watch once, and just don't know what to do in life afterwards. The typical "now what" syndrome is pervasive. The show is fucking 10/10, if not 11/10. Anyone who thinks differently really doesn't get how brilliant the show and the performances is/are. Fuck, I'd take a forget-me-now and do it all over.
Finished it today. What do i do now. Help.
Making Omar gay was lame AF. 10/10 gtfoh
I could listen to these guys talk about media i havent seem for years on end
God damn ny nman watch the wire for the loce of jesu
I have all 5 seasons of The Wire on DVD, but no longer own a DVD player.
Spot on when you said there's no redeemable characters, but that doesn't mean they're unlikeable.
nick does hilarious baltimore and Pennsylvania accents.
the trick is to watch The Wire backwards
"when stuff happens, it happens a lot" yeah that's pretty correct
Lol @ McNulty being bad at his job....
He's was one of the best detectives, just a drunk who didn't listen the authority.
I remember his character had a cool Chevy Beretta Coupe 🚗 a popular guy's car 1990s.
Bodie is the most likable character
Bubs>
I can see the disconnect in the "audience" but the wire was a brilliantly written and acted show. Golden HBO era.
I saw it off & on. HBO; 2000s. I did not like the Greek ship 🚢 storyline or the school system nonsense.
Prez always did something completely stupid and crazy at the end of every season he was in.
That's true haha but I still feel sympathy for him. He's horrible under pressure but he's a good guy.
Boy, these guys are waaaaaay off here. Pretty sure we're all in agreement here.
The Wire to me will always be a classic, especially thanks to John Cena's courageous fat suit performance as Sg Jay
The writers made the characters in The Wire incredibly lifelike. I cant tell you how many times I'm just at work, and me and my co-workers just say "fuuuuuck."
I love The Wire, in spite of the many things that are wrong with it: the uneven casting, the overdone and unbelievable dialogue, and the unsubtle college paper thesis-y messaging. Still great.
What?!!! Omar and Marlo were awesome characters. Loved The Wire.
I've wanted them to talk about the wire SO BAD man
Thank you Clangers
I love your editing man
Doing gods work
it's shown many times that rawls is just playing a character himself by being an asshole boss. he is an asshole, he just overexagerates it at work because that is what is expected of him. it's shown much more clearly in season 4 or 5 when he gets to a higher rank and is being extra loud/theatrical when Burrel, his boss, is around. hell, it's even spelled out with the reveal of him hanging out at gay bars despite being an homophobic jerk.
how anyone can watch the "two fingers" scene and think "yes, this is how we are supposed to believe rawls naturally acts, this is how people behave, this is done without any kind of self-awareness" is a little baffling
Homophobic jerk is an oxymoron
He wants to come across as irritating. That's literally it, many people act like him irl imo
Man I need to get on a long plane ride or drive into a desert so I can listen to this podcast
Maybe not right now but yeah just any scenario where you just have a few hours to blow
@@Goblindeez935
They put time into editing visuals to go along with the segment.
I listen to it while I cook
@@johnholmeswebb8162 nuts to their visuals
The Wire requires more like, nuance to enjoy. It's brilliant. It makes the action feel way more horrifying when the show establishes the routine of the entire town, cause it's always coming but you never know how. Sopranos pretty much warns you for the entire episode before any action happens, then it's over before it even goes balls deep. People lived too long on Sopranos imo.
The sopranos doesn't have a surprise main cast death until like 6b it's ridiculous. Everyone who dies is either expendable, telegraphed a season or two before, or an asshole that tony hated anyway so it doesn't matter
namedidii i totally agree.
@@namedidii adriana is the only one i can think of
I didnt realize people had to die to make a tv show good
“You need a high IQ to understand the Wire”
They way they’re ripping on Tootsie Duvall’s “Bawlmore” accent is killing me 😂
The Wire is better than the Sopranos. Fight me.
Richard Belzer was in Scarface. He was doing stand up at the Babylon Club.
This is well put together, thanks
dude your editing is on point, it just keeps getting better and better.
This is immediately my favorite podcast to listen to.
2:38 onwards
Yo Clangers tthat some tight editing
I love how they say The Wire is bad because it has a couple of goofy silly scenes meanwhile the Sopranos is like 75% goofy over the top scenes
The wire is ok.
Keep em comin baby
i love how those middle figures are so limp wristed also
We got a warrant for Brian Africa's arrest.
Exquisite media research and timing. Great work!
Stav is actually the monster baby from rugrats. It's embarrassing.
Sopranos and the wire is apples and oranges. Sopranos is a character driven show with incredible writing and actors, and the Wire is an ensemble cast that is basically a Shakespearean tragedy set in the hood. I do agree that sometimes the acting on the Wire is just plain bad, but the show is more than the sum of it's parts. It's really trying to tell a meaningful story, and maybe show people what life is really like for a lot of people in the projects. If I had to choose tho I'm going Sopranos every time.
Season 2 is so good 2nd time around plus.
shouts out to the editing, my man
10/10 show to fall asleep to.
Go watch breaking bad and game of thrones also if you need a movie recommendation i would suggest the avengers to a guy of your patrician taste
@@At0mHeart That was the gayest reply I've ever seen.
@@ja3482 sorry i can't speak like a hick
@@At0mHeart Your lack of punctuation, capitalization, and general grammar says otherwise.
Having a squeaky clean, morally infallible protagonist may work in some shows, but it isn't realistic. Everyone is deeply flawed, no matter how good a person they are or try to be. That's a part of what makes The Wire so good.
I thought McNaulty was actually an English guy
definitely is