Cheapest (Best?) DeWALT battery isn't from DeWALT? (Thiss Beat DeWALT!)
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Cheapest (Best?) DeWALT battery isn't from DeWALT (Thiss is it!)
As long-time watchers know my biggest issues with DeWalt has always been how expensive their battery system is. Now imagine if you could buy DeWalt but NOT get sucked into spending ridiculous amounts on batteries AND still get a 1.5 year warranty?
Use Coupon Code DenofTools10 for a 10% Off:
www.thissbatte...
How to Support The Channel:
#1 Sharing a video is the BEST way to support the channel.
#2 Buy "Den of Tools" stickers and more here: bit.ly/2GHwdL6
#3 Get your copy of The Home Distiller's Workbook: amzn.to/2DxnuZZ
#4 Check out my Amazon Shop for Recommended Gear: amzn.to/2SoOKgI
Are you linked up on our other social media sites?
Twitter: / redbeardstudios
Facebook: / denoftools
Website: www.Red-Beard.com
Email: DoT@red-beard.com
Mailing Address: 2251 N Rampart BLVD, #177, Las Vegas, NV 89128
Check out our other RUclips channels:
Weightloss Journey: bit.ly/2QV2S4z
How we make money: bit.ly/2BM4p2q
Centrist Politics: bit.ly/2BM4p2q
The Cubs Channel: bit.ly/2EUTAOD
*Amazon links are affiliate links and a small commission is paid by Amazon to the DoT
The battery for this test was provided to me free of charge however I have not been compensated in any way for this test nor will I receive any sort of compensation for sales of this product. My views have always been and will always be, my own.
Check out Landberg Tile Tv's review
ruclips.net/video/Rqk2IhXWBzI/видео.html
Thank you sir for the shout out! 🙏😎
@@LandbergTileTV Anytime man, you do great videos.
@@denoftools shame the website you linked in the description is dead.
Bigger, thicker board.
The test would have been better if this company did not send you the battery pack to be reviewed. They could always put premium batteries into pack that the typical pack someone buys would not get.
Batteries tool bear gets: High quality LG cells.
Batteries we get: Used UltraFire cells.
Can’t agree Bear. I have had great experience with my DW batteries. Have worked them hard for years and all still going strong. For the work they have done they are great value, at least to me. People forget that a few dollars extra for a battery that will be punished for years is really an insignificant issue. I trie the clone batteries twice and both failed after about three charges. In both cases a cell in the pack started spilling its guts. Made me get perspective on how the DW batteries are worth every penny. They just work and last.
Da Bear doing the work for the people! Great stuff! I'm currently using the Dewalt 20v max line.
I been using knock offs batts for the m12 and m18 for a while, no complaints and the prices are a bargain.
Ahh, it wouldn't be a Den of Tools video without the ringing phone :)
That was Mrs DaBEAR's phone this time!
I caught that also.......and he is a busy DaBear with a cellphone and knows how to use it.
It's interesting that the DW tries to go when the battery depletes - you could hear the humming even though it didn't have the beans to turn the bit anymore. I'm in the Porter Cable lithium cordless and when the batteries are depleted they straight turn off - I always figured as a protection to the cells since I've always heard fully fully discharging to zero or near it is supposedly really bad for lithium cells. I would have expected the same behavior from the DW being from the same parent company.
I have the Dewalt 20v stuff, I like it for what it is. Was planning on getting into the Milwaukee lineup, but the fiancee bought me the Dewalt contractor set when we bought our house; couldn't really tell her the gift wasn't "good enough."
As far as batteries, I wait for the Ebay sitewide 15% off coupons and pick batteries up. Last 2 pack of 5.0 batteries I bought was about $95 shipped for 2 Dewalt branded batteries, still new in packaging.
Hi Da Bear, good info on the DeWalt battery warranties, gray market, etc... whereas with Milwaukee it doesn’t matter who you buy the battery or tool from, they will honor their warranty, going by the model and serialization.
I would like to see a similar compare and contrast with Ryobi batteries. I don't think their batteries are terribly expensive, but options are always nice. Good job, Bear.
All branded batteries whether Ryobi or Milwaukee use the same 2-3 batteries (usually Sanyo or Samsung), all the higher ah rating batteries have higher quality cells in them, but there is very few reliable battery manufacturers so they always end up with the same 18650s. What you pay for when you buy different brand-name batteries is the name. With generics, they put in whatever they feel like it, sometimes you get metal cylinders filled with sand.
I just watched some guy in Vegas *bear out* what appears to be wooden Swiss cheese.
It is now! So much sweeping to be done.
@@denoftools The bear has a shop vacuum.
I have also had a issue with amazon buying batteries where the add was misleading. You think your getting a actual battery from the manufacturer but when you get it it ends up being some offshore crap. I run Milwaukee and have had issues with the knock off m18 but the m12 I have had great luck.
I haven't been a huge fan of DeWalt for a long time, they always like to switch up their battery platforms and somehow you seem to get screwed in the end, so at least when I went to the Ridgid, at least I knew what I was getting as far as battery compatibility and performance, I do however like the Ryobi outdoor stuff, weed wackers, blowers etc, and I like their Outdoor Products they're durable they last a long time, especially my weed wacker that transforms into a edger, I have a 4 amp battery that goes with that and I can go almost one-third the summer without having to charge it that's just food for thought, anyway I enjoy your videos, keep up the good work there Red bear
Bear says, "Impressed"......Good enough for me as a DIYer :)
You can’t be sure what batteries are used in the No-name power packs. Project Farm tested name brand (Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic) against 2 China made batteries. The China batteries didn’t meet their printed specs but cost a lot less. Project Farm performed drain tests on the batteries. If the batteries are light, it generally meant they didn’t have enough materials in them to perform as rated.
I buy off eBay all the time and have always got my batteries warrantied.
I agree if your buying dewalt tools on Ebay or in an auction these cheaper batteries would be a good idea
Nice BTR! Very informative! Thanks bear!!
I bought 2 of the 18v Chinese batteries off Amazon ($33) and they work great. I had to file some of the plastic edges to fit, but otherwise they work great.
I am going to be picky here but this annoys me to no end. It is not astrix it is asterisk
*ass tricks
Michael Picard Also: "your" used for "you're," "there" used for "they're," and "I seen that." Education?
If you buy off Ebay for cheap batteries just dont tell dewalt your using cheap batteries
I know this is a late comment but the run time from DeWalt and comparable batteries may be similar new, but the advantage DeWalt batteries have are how long will they last. I live in the desert area (and yes it is a dry heat), where my tools in the back of my covered truck can go above 130° which will kill most batteries quickly. I was a Panasonic tool die hard fan until they were hard to find and were discontinued. The batteries always lasted 5 or more years. I gave DeWalt a try when they started there 20 volt max line and have expanded to almost all of the 20 volt and some 60 volt tools. Almost all DeWalt items have a date of manufacture stamp somewhere on them for warranty reasons. I checked some of my first 2 AH batteries for their age and found 3 of them were dated from 2014, the day I bought my first set. They still hold a charge and run almost as long as my latest 2022 batteries. It is not how many minutes they last per charge but how many years will they provide like new power. This is where the quality and price are worth it.
Great review Seems like a great deal 2 big dewalt batteries for around 80.
That's why I don't skip the ads on this channel. The bear works for his people.
Bottom line, if a power pack has Samsung, LG, Panasonic or Sony batteries, like the standard 18650 ones, they are typically rated for 10 years shelf life or 500 charges (won’t be 100% retention in the last half). If a pack has other batteries, you simply don’t know the life longevity, and that it performs as rated, like 4 mAh. Unless you do drain tests using a meter on a power pack or individual batteries, you don’t know how they are performing. Anyone who says “they last” isn’t giving measured results.
Life of the battery depends on the quality of the cells inside. DeWalt uses some of the best cells in their batteries whereas off brand batteries must necessarily use cheaper cells in order to provide those lower prices for their products. This has been true since way back in the NiCad days. I never tried an off brand lithium but I did try NiCads once with disappointing results.
I've been thinking about this lately! I have a bunch of different tools from a bunch of different brands that all need new batteries! The solution may be to buy knockoff DeWalt batteries and use adapters for all the other tool brands. The problem with adapters has always been that you can't always find the right tool-adapter-battery combination for your needs. DeWalt to other brands seems to be the most available adapter. You can't usually use a different brand battery with a DeWalt tool but this battery solves that problem! Waitley is another well thought of battery with an even lower cost!
Curious to see how many years they hold up.
Nice to know about Thiss company. I have an older Craftsman Drill set my Dad gave me and a older Makita that was my grandpa's they are 10 to 20 or so years old and nice to know of something to keep them going if I want to that is not as pricey. The tools are old enough I am not worried about the warranty anymore.
Been waiting for this. Handy little DeWalt blower sucks their batteries dry like crazy. Need spares without breaking the bank.
I got one of these 4 Ah batteries for my Porter Cable reciprocating saw after this video, I think itwas about $40-ish with your code. Works great and I refuse to pay Lowes $100 for a single PC battery.
*Here's the thing with those batteries. The real dewalt batteries use samsung lithium cells which are robust and long lasting. The cheap or knockoff batteries use cheap chinese lithium cells which don't compare in power and durability of quality cells like the samsung.*
What if you keep the same battery housing with regulators and solder new better cells with more mAh?
Just like they do with RC cars or vapes, for example.
I've seen people do just that.
I have looked all over the place and cannot find these batteries any where. Not sure if they're still around.
just watched this nice video, what ive noticed was at time 1.52 guy shows bottom of both batteries, you can clearly see dewalt one missing screw in it,what it indicates for me is it can be old af dewalt battery vs new knock off, or even worse if the battery pack was opened even more tricks can be used there, not stating it was this way but imo that might be the case, cuz watched few other battery compaire videos and so far thisone is 1st ive seen where dewalt was beaten by knockoff, altho in other videos ppl usually uses new batteries only...
Keep up the good work for us working class people!! You help keep things out in the open and pressure on manufacturers to provide high quality at an affordable price!!!
Bear has been working overtime this weekend!
That looks like a good drill bit I have not seen that type before what is it called please?
My comment isn't about Dewalt, but about some generic 18v batteries for Ryobi and they were, I think, 4.0AH or close to that, and I bought them thru Amazon, fully knowing that they were not Ryobi OEM batteries. The didn't last very long at all; quit charging, and I sent them back and got my money back...thankfully. I know that there are some dependable replacement batteries out there and maybe these THISS batteries will prove themselves dependable, so thanks, Red, for this review. My own personal thoughts on these larger AH batteries is that they are just too heavy for my 67 yr. old arms to hold onto for any length of time. I just do wood crafts and projects for the home so I do not need the extra
run time that these bigger batteries supply. by the time I run down a fully charged 2.0Ah battery, this old man needs a break..LOL..!!
I have a ten year old DeWalt drill that came with two batteries. One no longer holds enough a charge to be used for anything but a electric screwdriver. The drill itself is fine and I'm not a pro so buying aftermarket batteries makes sens until the drill itself no longer works. I decided though that for new tools I will not be buying into the DeWalt ecosystem (unless I were to for some reason switch line of work and go pro) and go with less expensive batteries.
Funny you should talk about knock off batteries as I use knockoff Ryobi batteries for my Ryobi tools and other than one battery I have had really good luck over the last couple of years with them. The one battery melted down 6 months after I bought it but the people I bought from honored their one year warranty and after sending pictures they sent me a new battery.
Wow, that's great they honored the warranty.
You can get squaretrade insurance for the batteries to protect yourself. I bought a few ryobi noname batteries with squaretrade insurance. 1 of the 6 I bought went bad in 2weeks. Squaretrade refunded my $$$. No headaches. Most items I buy on ebay or amazon I buy with squaretrade or other insurance. Its been great. You should consider that option. 90% of my tools I got on the gray market I got a "gray market warranty", guess I coined the term.
Wouldn't more cells mean less heat produced? Since each cell has to do less work to power the tool?
If everything else was equal, yes. But that's a big "if".
Da Bear has me studying law! ; )
The First Law of Thermodynamics states that heat is a form of energy, and thermodynamic processes are therefore subject to the principle of conservation of energy. This means that heat energy cannot be created or destroyed. It can, however, be transferred from one location to another and converted to and from other forms of energy.
Exactly and this is they translated in many ways but the quick and easy version is "There is no free lunch". They are cutting a corner to get more juice from the battery, they are paying for that price in terms of heat.
If I may indulge in sharing (more like ramble on) my experience with Dewalt and Dewalt batteries....
I am an infrequent power tool user but I like DIYing to save money and learn. BTW, that's why I like this channel. When I was younger, my journey with cordless tools started with the Black and Decker 20V Lithium system because it was, well, less expensive. I didn't have the benefit of RUclips or a knowledgeable person to advise me on what to buy and more important why one was better than the other. As time went on, I grew frustrated with the BD because the drill would bog down when driving lag screws and then strip out the heads because it just wants to go fast but had inadequate torque. Then one day, Lowes had a great a great sale on an 18V nicad drill and Impact driver set and I snagged it. When I put it to use, I immediatedly fell in love with Dewalt because it had the power and torque to drive long screws at slow speed without bogging down. I wasn't interested in any other brands because Dewalt proved superior to the BD, was able to do everything I needed it to do, and I had invested in their battery system. As time on, I realized that the nicad batteries were dying and developing a memory as they are prone to do. I resisted buying new batteries because they were cost nearly as much as the tool and battery together. By that time, Dewalt had moved on to the 20V Li-on system. So I then started purchasing tools under the 20V system thinking I'll get 18V to 20V adapter to continue using my 18V tools with the 20V Li-ion batteries. However, the battery adapter was an expensive $40+ item which I didn't feel was a fair price considering what you get. So I waited for the price of the adapter to drop below $20 which is a price I was willing to pay. However, the price has never dropped even to this day. Recently, my old 18V Dewalt tools got new life because third parties have started selling compatible 18V Li-ion batteries at a very reasonable price that could be charged by the Dewalt 18V "nicad" charger. I bought 2 ea. 5 mah batteries for less than $65 shipped. They work better than the 18V Dewalt Nicads when new.
To make a long story short, I was happy with Dewalt at the beginning, then I soured on Dewalt because their battery replacement were too expensive, then it went further downhill when they switched to the non compatible 20V platform, and then I hated them because their 18 to 20V adapter was unreasonably expensive. Now that I am able to get 18V Li-ion batteries at a reasonable price from 3rd parties, I am a Dewalt fan again. I don't know how Dewalt compares with other higher end brands with Milwaukee because I've never owned them. I just know that I am happy with Dewalt again. Perhaps the bear can do a torque comparison video among the various brands. I haven't seen any coverage of that aspect of performance.
I'm trying to find a good way to test torque that doesn't require a $2,500 torque tester. I'm not the smartest bear out there but I fairly clever and a big fan of DeVinci'esque devices so I'm trying to come up with something. But as to your journey with DW, sad to say but I'd call that par for the course.
@@denoftools Perhaps an expensive instrument for empirical data is not necessary. Maybe start off with a simple relative comparison of how easily each brand can drive a 4 or 5 inch lag screw at low speed? I don't know, maybe they all can. Then start increasing the length/girth of the screw until there's a differentiation. It's not scientific but suffice for a relative comparison to each other.
Technically they're really not bypassing anything. They're just using a temp/cell balancing controller that can talk properly to the tool and the charger. The charger would look at that when you try to charge the pack to make sure the cells aren't too hot. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the tools themselves actually check that though. I don't know for sure but I don't think the DeWalt 20V packs record the number or charge cycles either but I could be wrong about that.
Most likely THISS didn't cherry pick a battery to send you either. They're probably using cells that have a slightly higher rating than a comparable DeWalt battery, but to really do an apples to apples test you would need to test two brand new never used batteries, one from each vendor. You'd also need to do a long term test and see which pack starts reducing it's fully charged capacity over time (just like with a laptop battery).
I have quite a few DeWalt 20V batteries in various capacities so I won't be buying these THISS batteries. If THISS would come out with a strictly 20v version of the new FlexVolt 12Ah battery I'd pick up a few though. Hell, make it a 20Ah battery and I'd be all over it! Why? For my DeWalt leaf blower! :D My one and only complaint about their leaf blower is that their existing batteries just don't have enough oomph to last long enough in a cool fall day where you're trying to clean up a yard filled with wet leaves. Last fall I had to relegate the dewalt to light duty and buy a gas powered backpack leaf blower to get the job done not because it couldn't blow the leaves, but because the batteries just didn't last long enough to finish the job. :(
Hey, thanks for the info!!
I have a question. Qould these batteries hold up for charging without any problems, And doyou think they will be okay overtime to use on tools?
Very informative!!
Mark
I needed a 1/2” impact wrench, I ended up buying another DeWalt bc I just couldn’t justify going Milwaukee and having to buy a set of batteries and charger with it... I do like DeWalt M12 and I think I’ll start with a few of the M12 tools. One that I really want is the M12 1/2” impact ratchet, that would be sweet.
To be fair, DeWalt's 5 amp hour battery two pack retails for basically the same as Makita. I just think Makita's batteries are a bit higher quality. They tend to charge faster and last longer on a charge. Also, Makita usually has the decency to include a 3 amp hour battery or two in their kits. DeWalt often sticks you with a lone dinky little 1.5 or 2 amp hour battery if you're lucky.
Thanks. Nice work.
Try the same test but throw both in a freezer for a hour. Us "professionals" use brands like Milwaukee because they work awesome in sub zero, or even very hot weather. Knockoff batteries usually work the same in average conditions, but in extreme scenarios, they lack.
Phillip, no lithium batteries work "awesome" when frozen. They hardly work at all. It's the physics of lithium. Freezing your batteries is a good way to kill them. Using them in cold weather is another matter. While being used they produce heat, but it's still not good for them. I've done a lot of work with cells like this, I used to build my own drones and electric bikes, and I can tell you for a fact that there is nothing that the name brands can do short of putting a heater pack in the battery that will change the laws of physics.
You should test vanon batteries for makita tools
I'd be curious longterm hold up, upfront yes. Oddly I got some DeWalt batteries 7 years old that work great. But I also got some bosch for a drill that are over 10 years old! I still argue we our living in golden age for these battery tools...
Your link to these batteries doesn't seem to work. Is there a new link to purchase?
On my new channel I talk about how much more power you can get from the Dewalt 5 AH battery compared to the 1.5 AH. That being said, I also bought a "Vanon" 4 AH battery and use it before I turn to the Dewalt batteries. I like Dewalt tools, but batteries are too expensive.
Was wondering about Brand X batteries. Thanks
I've never bought a dewalt 20v battery, but I've got a ton of their tools, they work great. I even use adapters so these clone DeWalt batteries work on RIGID & Milwaukee tools how about that.
I think you should go back to putting out fires and leave the batteries to the pros.🧸🧸🧸🧸🧸🧸🧸
Bear... Very helpful video. You are keeping money in your subscribers pockets with your numerous tips and options that many of us did not know we had.
The heat load limiter on the batteries is more about preserving the actual battery cells. In turn it does kind of protect the drill motor. But you can still run a drill motor with a inefficient charge and it will still work without damaging it. My concern with these which is why I have never bought any is the longevity of the battery being destroyed by the heat load over time. I feel like their recovery rate is going to deplete rapidly under heavy use. So yeah maybe you saved 10 or 15 bucks up front, but you just wasted $40 because now you got to go buy another battery pack in a few months because the cells are fried
The simple solution is to not rely on their overload and just stop when it gets hot.
I'm not sure why you have this bad opinion of DeWalt's service. I've had nothing but great experiences with them. I owned a contracting company with 27 employees and I supplied them all with DeWalt tools. Before that I ran a similar size company and purchased all DeWalt tool for them also. The point I'm trying to make is that I dealt with a lot of DeWalt tools and their service. And it should go without saying that I purchased DeWalt tools for my personal use; many of them off eBay. I purchased one set that was NOS and had sat on a self for more than a year. Neither battery would hold a charge. I brought them to the DeWalt service center and they replaced them on the spot at no charge, and that is a typical experience for me with them. So what have they done to you to instill such hostility towards them?
I don't go just off of my personal experience. When doing a statistical analysis that is a bad idea as your data set is just one person. I put in a lot of time reading comments, market data reports, BBB reports and any comments I can find online. So my information is not just based on how one rep may have treated me it's on the company as a whole and how they respond or don't, to the consumer. The best example for this is when I tell people that my family had a Ford Pinto when I was growing up. It was the best selling car of the time and we never had an issue with ours. So if I went just on my personal experience I would have to recommend that as a reliable and safe car. See what I mean?
My local Mernders has porter cable 20v battery on sale for 20.00 no reason too get a kockoff at that price 😎🏒🇺🇸🐧
Last battery I took apart from dewalt would allow a full dead drain
My dewalt battery failed after a year. I emailed Dewalt, they had me take a picture of the QR and date in the battery. Sent them a picture and I got a new one in the mail a week later. Not sure what to do with the dead cell battery now, but it was a no questions asked kind of thing.
If there is a best buy near you they have a battery recycling thing near the front door.
The other reviews I've seen on these clone batteries is that they start off good but die fast. So I'm not so sure about these. The reviews on the DeWalt batteries are they last much longer.
I'm thinking that high heat and deeper discharge means the batteries won't last as long. Lithium Ion batteries don't like to get hot and REALLY don't like to be discharged beyond a certain point.
Still for the price even if they last just half as long you're still making out. And if you're mindful & careful about how you use them you might be able to get them to last as long as the DeWALT ones.
I may pick up a couple Thiss LXT "Replacement" batteries just to screw around with.
Pretty much my thoughts in a nutshell.
Wow at how well the cheap batteries did
I don't think that battery from the Chinese seller is "gray market". More likely it's counterfeit (just like the one you tested but in a pretty yellow shell). Same goes for the ones on ebay. They probably work okay for a while but I wouldn't be surprised if they're done after 30 or 40 charges. Besides Ryobi that you mentioned, I believe Ridgid batteries were on sale this week at HD for 2 for $99. That's a pretty reasonable price for legit batteries for a legit tool.
Wait... your not a bear in real life?!?!?!?!
I order a 4 pack 2 of the 4 bad out of the box. after 2 email they sent me replacement. free of charge
I dont think the charge indicator works very well on cheap batteries
Ebay 20v battery 6.0 two for 66.00
$54
Does that fit a Skil 18 volt drill/driver? The Skil battery is pretty lame. Does not say how many amp hours.
As Always, Thank you for the Video. I appreciate the Time Effort and Money you put into these.
Now, Ha Ha, I bought several DEWALT Cordless Tools many years ago when 18v first came out. Removable Batteries with Power so you could keep working was something we all wanted but the few out there were WAY Expensive. I’m a Tradesman so I take care of my stuff, Especially Tools. My 18v stuff still works fine, but the 10 Batteries had dwindled down to four, more like Three. I have the adapter for 20v from LOWES in my watch list and will be looking for 20v batteries soon. That’s the Long winded Intro...
DEWALT makes great Tools for a reasonable price and many other companies now a Days. I never considered a Knock-off until now, I’ll probably get Genuine DEWALT, but I’m gonna research them.
Yes, I’m kinda a Fanboy, mostly I have to much money invested in the Platform and rather throw money at expensive Batteries then start over.
That’s a pretty long “Thanks for the Information”
Here's a problem.... Under 1.5 years later and thissbatteries.com seems to have changed into a clothing store. ... can't count on these Chinese companies that just "pop up" to stick around. Actually almost any company that just "pops up". The warranty is one place where you want the "Name Brand" to mean something.... Hopefully thissbatteries last longer then the website itself did. Then again you seemed to mention most of the worrisome stuff toward the end. Maybe some more tests of batteries that have a longer history if such a thing exists? Any third party battery manufacturers that have been around for longer then 10 years?
Ave has a video on these comparing the two in a tear down. No name cells no battery or tool protection ect for not much savings.
Yeah but the problem with AvE is his testing methods and his summary. He states a bunch of stuff as fact that often are either not relevant or in some cases are totally false. He called the cells in the Herc generic when they were clearly Samsung. And in that video, he noted "flaws" in the generic cells that were a non-issue but he talked like they were a make or break issue. Read through the comments and you will see guys with electrical and engineering degrees call him out on this.
I'd be interested to see how many charge and discharge cycles the knockoffs can sustain compared to the branded battery. Also you should try a fall off a step ladder test (it happens) to see if the cheaper non-reinforced plastic holds up.
I'm pretty sure this is plastic is from the same mold as the dewalt
@@denoftools Ave BoltR tests the melting point of the plastics and determines if it's just ABS or glass reinforced etc etc. that tells you if it will hold up to abuse of just crack apart on it's first drop from the table. The cheaper knockoffs definitely have their place in some people's lives.
@@dalesworld1308 No he didn't! He scrapped it with a knife and guessed. I saw the video andI've seen how he tests stuff. There is a reason the more technical guys have stopped watching AvE.
Dude try Vanon batteries and here great and way cheaper and better quality I got 4 m12 6ah batteries for $114.00 there great
Watch projectfarms vid on em. Vanon was easily last place.
I know you talk about how high the cost of Dewalt batteries are but have you paid attention to the cost of a Milwaukee battery? Holy crap!
I have a lot of Dewalt cordless stuff but I have a couple of specialty Milwaukee cordless like a expansion Pex tool that does up to 3” pex pipe. Today I got it out and thought, I need to get a second battery for it. I came with a M18 4ah. So I went to HD because they have Milwaukee and it blew my mine how much more they want compared to a Dewalt, both a 5ah.
5ah Milwaukee was almost as high as Dewalts new 60 volt. And don’t get me started on what Milwaukee wants for their M18 12ah. Ridiculous!!!
I see this is a 4 year old video, but I just saw it today. Without a time machine, I can't comment on it any sooner.
You say the argument about the warranty doesn't make sense, Maybe it doesn't. I didn't really listen to it because I have never made that argument. I have never heard anyone make that argument. The reality is this...
I dd not choose black and yellow so many years ago because of the warranty. Over 25 years, I have never made a warranty claim. Most of the time that is because their tools don't break on me (and that is the reason I stay on the platform), bit the one time a tool did break on me, I had neither the time nor the patience to go through a warranty claim process. With exceptions, most hand power tools cost between 100 and 300 dollars. The time would have to waste dealing with warranty people is worth more to me than that. In this case, it was an impact driver that I bought the week they released it for a hundo (the 850). The 845 had just come out, and I think that was rolling out for a buck 20. I just spent the buck 20, bought a new impact and moved on. I know I am going to do this, so warranty means nothing to me.
In any case...
I don't know about 4 years ago, but here in the future ebay has some DeWalt authorized dealers. Some are and some aren't. But of you are buying on ebay, you should know full well that you should care as little about warranty as I do, because it is a coin flip on ebay. But even for those who care about warranty and will spend two weeks on the phone with Debbie the Time Life operator when their tools break...batteries are a different animal. The last time I bought batteries, I bought them on ebay. I got a two pack of XR 5ah batteries...for 70 bucks. That's 35 bones per battery. Personally, I probably would not waste my time redeeming a warranty for 300 bucks. But I can't imagine anyone who would do so over 35.
So, "I buy DeWalt because of the warranty" is probably a bad argument. I can't say you are wrong there. It's just that I have never heard anyone make that argument. I but DeWalt because, neck and neck with Milwaukee, they make the best tools and as much as I beat on them, I have only been able to kill ONE in 25 or more years.
That just got long. This is the second time I have gotten on a roll responding to one of your videos today. Meh, the comments are good for your channel and I have the time, because I am not on the phone fighting with warranty people.
Would like to see some generic off brand milwakee batteries that would be interesting
They are on their way
Id be curious to see what cells are in these.
They were Sony
Ask Thiss to make old school dewalt 18v batteries. You know the ones that had a fan.
Check out Vanon
The Den of Tools Thanks for the info. Had never heard of that company.
Another great review bear. Keep the off brand reviews coming. You are a honest bear.
I have had this Black and Decker 20volt drill for a couple of years. I have 2 2 amp hour batteries for it. I was looking at the Dewalt and it looks exactly the same except it's yellow and the plugin blocks on the batteries are slightly different. Looks like a little time with a Dremel tool and you could have the batteries interoperable. I don't remember what I paid for the drill but I think around 50 dollars. Now I was looking for a Hex Driver and I looked at Ryobi and it was 79.00 and I'm not all that impressed by Ryobi. Then I saw that Home Depot had the DeWalt Hex Driver and it was 109 dollars but it came with a tool bag, oh goodie. Then I saw online at Home Depot the Black and Decker Hex driver that was the exact match to the Dewalt offering 59.00. I pulled the trigger on the B&D. Now after watching this I was looking on eBay and that battery that you just demoed for us. The B&D version of the aftermarket/grey market is going for 24.50 shipped. I'm not a tradesman, I'm a Server Administrator, but I do use my tools to keep my cars and my two Harley's running and for chores around the house. I'm not going to jump on the DeWalt 20Volt bandwagon when B&D has pretty much the same tools for almost 1/2 the price.
Now it's 2021 and it's painful watching you do that to that lumber.
Your right. DeWalt batteries are junk.
I have at least 10 for different tools. Tryed the tricks also to get them to charge.
I'll give one of these green and black ones a try.
Could it also big case that even the DeWalt batteries are made by the very same company but in order to have the DeWalt name there is a heavy markup a very perfect example would be Snap-on and Matco Tools, they are Irwin drill bits but with the Snap-on or Matco name they cost three times as much but still there are Irwin manufactured drill bits with a Snap-on or Matco logo on the. case.
Just like the Carlyle wrenches that are manufactured by. Infar tools in Taiwan but if you get them through Channellock brand name they are the very same wrench at 60% of the cost. Until you see the inside of those batteries one can only Wonder if they are the same battery manufactured for DeWalt and numerous other names, money never sleeps in the manufacturing business.
Another good thought is if DeWalt knew that you were running a battery of another brand could it void the warranty on the tool itself, I just recently found out let many impact sockets are not warrantied if they're used on a hand ratchet, which is a very foolish thing to me but basically if you tell them the socket broke with very little torque using a hand wrench they will not warranty the impact socket which makes me wonder if it could be in the print of a DeWalt power tool that using a battery from another supplier could void the warranty
I use DW 20 v tools a lot and frequently under heavier load applications. I did buy a seemingly good clone from Amazon. It performed well a couple of times and I was impressed. But on the third charge it showed faulty. I took it apart and two of the cells were oozing their vital bodily fluids out. I took out the good cells and use them in an LED area work light. I didn’t complain or ask for a refund but did leave experience feedback. I purchased another one and just use it for my Bluetooth speaker and usb charger. The test you did does not really speak to durability. I have several DW batteries for a whole range of their shop and yard tools plus 2 Flexvolt for my 60 v saw which is a beast. Even when heavily used in recip saw etc. my DW batteries have never failed. The clones are interestingly priced but my experience is to pay a bit more and use real DW batteries. Months later: The second clone also failed after about 5 charges. Battery failed after a heavy work session. 2 leaking cells….. again. If you do buy clones, I suggest using them in low stress uses like Bluetooth speaker or small bench vac and keep the DW batteries for serious use.
Hello RB! Have you found any 18 volt lithium-ion batteries for the previous style of DeWalt cordless tools? Those are cheap, solid sets you can buy used all day long. Ryobi batteries only fit if preheated to 350 degrees (jk do not try at home).
No I haven't, sorry. In fact I just sold my older style DW last month.
It pisses me off that Dewalt, a quality tool company has made a 1.3ah battery and tries to pass it off as being a potential value .. IMO incredibly distasteful to their customers
I'd beware of anything sent in as a review sample. One channel I follow received a battery pack like this one. They said it was great and did a teardown. Other people following the channel bought the "same" battery pack to discover they switched out batteries and other components for sub-par ones.
I'm not saying this is the case, but I'm fairly paranoid about the scams some people will try.
xephael what channel was it?
There goes moto again lmfao
Will the cheep batteries handle 116 in the Arizona sun? I have one crew with 2 flexvolts from 2016 that hang on the mitresaw daily in the sun still going. I see someone makes cheep flexvolt Batts.
I'd worry a bit as they seem to have poor heat sensors.
I bought dewalt flexvolt battery packs on eBay cuz they were the cheapest.. I would be worried about charging those no name brand batteries.. Ave did a review of some and they didn't have good charging protection... So to save a couple bucks vs a fire...I'll spend a little bit more as long as they are dewalt. Never even thought about a warranty...
And that right there is yet another reason I stopped watching AVE. He has is biased towards high-end tools and kowtows to the "Tool Bro" mentality. The charger is the unit with the brains and it is the part that controls charging. The circuit on the battery controls discharge, hence why it got so hot, they are letting it run longer than it really should. The only way to get a fire from charging would be to rupture the cell or a damaged charger, but that could pop any battery. Here is a better question for you, you are buying packs on ebay to save money but think you are spending a few bucks more to get a name brand right? Those are grey market, you are actually MORE at risk with those. You don't know where they came from you don't know if they are real fakes or defective returns.
As I said in the video, I'm not endorsing these batteries, I'm just putting the info out there. I don't have a lot of dewalt products so I don't really have a dog in this fight. But I just want to make sure you are making your choice with all the information.
Decided to order a pair, but couldn't find a place to enter your discount code! Site kept feeding me an offer for a 6% discount, though...
I just tried it and on the right side of the screen there was a pic of the battery and under it a box for the discount code. I'm using Chrome browser and had it full screen.
@@denoftools I was using Chrome on Android smartphone (Moto 6G). I'll try it on my computer...
The only dewalt products I like are there compact drill / chorded circ saw and their table saw... that’s about it for me from dewalt much better products from other companies
My aftermarket one was great, for a few weeks. Now it's acting wonky. I've never had a problem with a Dewalt battery, they go 3 years, that's all you can ask for.
Why are kobalt batteries $20 right now? Also why can't I buy the belt clip part by itself, dewalt or other brands?
Ereplacement not have it?