5 THINGS I WISH I KNEW BEFORE switching to Warpaints Fanatic 🥴
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
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Do you think of getting started with Warpaints Fanatic? In this video, I’m going to paint a Striking Scorpion Exarch from start to finish using only Fanatic paints from The Army Painter, and I’ll share all of my findings and issues along the way, so you can find out if these are the right paints for you. #warpaintsfanatic #thearmypainter #review
⏭️ Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:54 How do they airbrush?
4:12 Inflexible flexible triads
6:17 Thinning without breaking the paints
8:54 Colour matching other paint ranges
12:05 Fixing the finish
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This was extremely helpful when selecting paints to pre-order!
I’d love to see similar videos like this with other ranges like P3, the Warcolours Nostalgia lines, Vallejo Game Color, etc.
Your normal reviews are already great, but supplemental ones like this showing some of the “day to day” experiences of using the line on regular painting projects really adds a lot of additional detail and things to think about.
That would be cool. Noted!
I actually bought the Army Painter air brush paints because of you and Medders miniatures. After seeing how easy they are to use and the colour range they have I fell in love.
Me too!
Maybe I missed something about how AP explained how painters are supposed to understand and use “flexible triad” but in my mind, having things organized by value and hue means you can easily move AROUND the color wheel as well as up and down in value. So if I want to take my green slightly towards blue while I get darker, I can also do that easily. Your point about the value scales being inconsistent across hues does make that not as straightforward, but it’s still doable since they are organized in a gradient scale. I want to see someone make a video where they INTENTIONALLY mix triads to show how analogous color theory works, rather than acting like they have to stick within one hue triad…again, it’s called FLEXIBLE for a reason!!!
A colour wheel storage system would be ace. Maybe someone will make a 3d printable one
While I don't think you're wrong in that being a good way to look at it for someone familiar with color theory (and I do think that at some point, every painter should get familiar with color theory!), it's called the flexible triad system because you're intended to pick a triad from the 6 available paints in each set. It's meant to be non-intimidating for newer painters who just want to have a highlight and shade picked out for them.
This is... not entirely accurate when it comes to pigments. The trick with Citadel's range, as well as Army Painter's, Vallejo's etc. is they're made from very few distinct base pigments. A few years ago, I believe that was around 12 or 16 or something (the Artificer Inks were basically their range) which means when you mix them, you're really mostly adjusting ratios and if they're similar you're _rarely_ adding new pigments and so they "blend" well.
However, if you have two distinct pigments that are of a close hue, mixing them won't necessarily give results you expect. For example, if you mix Cadmium Red with Alizarin Crimson, you end up with a weird darkish mix and not a red in-between that you might expect.
Thank you for your videos. I always like watching your reviews and hearing your opinions. The tip regarding using the stabilizing medium is something I will keep in mind when I get the set in March!
Good stuff my friend. I definitely like this format where you go into the challenges that arose during your paint session and how you dealt with them.
Very cool review! I like the way you found work arounds and the general style of this kind of review.
As always, an in-depth and well explained technical video. Thanks again for your commitment to a quality testing video!
My pleasure!
I really like this review-like video format: not only is seeing these in action when painting a real mini much more interesting and 'representative' than painting a flat circle base, I also think it's somehow the first time someone is showing off that the paints can mix without issue, which is something I was genuinely worried about.
Question, though: From what you've tested, are there any colors/swatches from this lineup you'd consider particularly standing out (in a good way)? Colors/shades you don't often see in lineups like Vallejo New Game Color that would be a good addition, filling out a niche/missing hue range, or the exact color to accomplish (something)? I'm always on the lookout for those special colors, like VMC Pale Sand, so I'm interested if you spotted anything like that.
I've been happy with the AP Air paints that I've used. They've all sprayed well and dried to a nice finish. I'd be happy to see you make a video about how the air lines of various companies stack up against each other
Really useful overview. Cheers Stahly.
I love my airbrush and use it every chance I get when painting, so I absolutely want to see some videos about airbrush-ready paint. Right now I've got the old Vallejo Game Air range and would love to know how the new Game Air range compares, along with Army Painter's airbrush paints.
Army painter speed paints work the best for airbrushing i found. Transparent paints, actually lets you layer with an airbrush while working close to the model.
Yep I've had tons of cans from army painter losing pressure, and I don't particularly like the nozzles either.
Gotta have a bright, diffuse lamp for painting so I can minimize shadows and glare and see what I’m doing. Not a youtube-specific thing for sure! Maybe matter paints help with this, but I’ve got a good lamp already, so I’ll take the durability of satin since I’ll be matte varnishing it anyway.
Rakarth Flesh in particular is a very peculiar paint. There's not a lot of paints like it, so replacing it is a challenge. It's one of the few Citadel paints that I won't replace when my pot runs low.
On a different note: your Eldar army looks gorgeous. Love all those pink accents on the gems and blades.
the new VGC warn grey is the closest ive found
Omg. I feel you on Rakarth flesh. Been looking for years! Finally just bought more.
Right?!
Really enjoyed this format as a companion to your review. Just more insights that didn't fit the reviews. Love to see more like this in the future.
Thanks, will do!
Great video! I always use your videos before buying new paints. Please review their more air paints though! I dont use my airbrush that much besides basecoating and a little bit of shading, but I always struggle with it. I recently switched over to use Army Painter Air and I realized it was the Citadel Air paints that were clogging my airbrush. I dont know if its all Citadel Air, but the main one I use for my Eldar army is Khorne Red and its terrible! I didn't realize till I tried another brand, but I'd love to know your opinion, your videos are very helpful and I love your website I've followed for almost 10 years!
Over 10 years! Awwww... :)
Thank you for the follow up video on these paints. I would indeed be interested in comparison reviews of airbrush paints, but with the inclusion of a check on how they behave if you would insist on using them with a brush. Some Vallejo airbrush paints, like metallics, are very good for brush painting, would be nice to know if there are more options like that out there.
I would also be interested in exploring the 'stabilizer medium'. Can it be used with other paint brands like Vallejo or Citadel, and what would the benefits be over using water or traditional acrylic mediums?
I totally feel you on the highlighting black under bright lights issue LOL, sometimes I can't tell what the hell I'm drawing.
Given that you've pretty much tried every single paint range on the market, it would be really cool if you could make kind kind of an omnibus-like blog or video where you list your favourite paints from each range
There's a Ninjon video similar to this, where he goes over his 2000 different paints and talks about what to expect from each range and which colors he thinks each range does best, also a similar poorhammer video exists too
This would be a lot of work, so don't feel like you need to make an hour long video on this, a post on your website would probably be enough, and would help people spend on what's necessary paint wise
This could be a list of the best widely used specific colours out of all paint ranges, like how pro acryl bold titanium white is often seen as the best white, that you can buy as replacements for weaker paints in a range.
This could also be the best colours from each range to buy alone that can cover missing colours in some ranges or extend the number of colour options available to you, or maybe a combination with the prior
Yeah I will do eventually but it's a lot of work and I'm not sure yet what's the best way of presentation... I did a list of my favourite paint ranges which also includes my favourite metallic paints in detail, which is a start: taleofpainters.com/2023/08/stahlys-best-miniature-paints-warhammer-2024/
Hi Stahly. Definitely have a problem with reflections even when painting with matt paints. With satin or glossy paints it would be annoying. It's not something that can't be fixed just by moving and adjusting but when using the level of lighting you need for videos then I can imagine it's not easily corrected.
I would really like to see a review of the new vallejo game air line along with the surface primers
Cool as always. 🖌
Thank you! Cheers!
I'd like the airbrush video. Would especially appreciate super thin products like inks/contrast/washes and when and how to get good gentle zenithals without pooling or splattering. I use liquitex and it seems impossible to get right.
Just got my complete set. I already hit the problem with the lack of warm red browns. I think they should have adjusted the range to cover these very common red-browns. There's so many triads I would vote to replace with a nice red-brown earthy lineup. Obviously you can mix, but I bought these tons of paints cause I hate mixing lol.
Have you considered polarized lenses for painting under bright lights?
Yes please for an airbrush review
@Stahly please do a comparison of fanatic range metallic range with the speedpaint metallic2.0 series.
Mainly, can we do with just one series or do we need both sets.
Thanks! 8)
I've honestly been of the opinion that the AP Aircolors line was close to the perfect range. I wish they could just improve the opacity of some of the thinner colors, while keeping the consistency of the Air line. Great for the airbrush, while still having a perfect consistency for the brush, without thinning.
a review of various airbrush paints would be nice to see... thanks
Without a doubt, gloss paints are harder to work with if you want to do more than just a solid color. I purchased several bottles of Golden's Fluid Acrylic line because they have colors and single pigments not commonly available -- a true yellow ochre for example, not just yellow mixed with white. They are very good paints with high pigment density and flow well from the brush; however, they are glossy. I didn't realize this until too late. So while their titanium white is one of the smoothest whites available and the gloss factor is manageable, their pyrrole red blinding. I had a very hard time seeing how my highlights were being placed and how effective they were. Even the matte medium they make isn't enough to tone it down. They really are artist paints, not miniature paints.
I'll still find a way to use them, but I think I am going to try the Liquitex acrylic gouache instead for those specific colors and pigments.
Experimenting with artists' paints for miniatures is always fun! I use a lot of oil paints myself. I've even experimented with watercolours too, but that's much more experimental. You have to make sure to only buy the lightfast paints, and also use a good layer of varnish afterwards, but they're actually pretty decent for weathering.
I suspect a lot of people who said they prefer satin paints probably paint in a GW style, where it's mainly just flat colours with line highlights and recess shading. If you're prefer painting with more realistic/volumetric lighting like me though, then matter paints are better by far IMO, since they just fight against the painted-on lighting you're using.
More satin finishes aren't a dealbreaker, unless they're almost glossy like some of the old Game Colors, but I'd still rather not have to stop every few steps to matte varnish everything.
I definitely would have liked to see fewer shades per "flexible triad" and more variety in the hues. Cutting out two of the middle shades per hue and adding more varieties of grey, magenta, brown, etc. would have been better IMO.
Your issues with thinning the fanatic range reminds me of my issues with the new Vallejo game color range, as in my experience they seem to break down super fast in the wet pallete and haven't found a good medium to use with them. I'm so frustrated I'm thinking about ditching them entirely.
Oh I hate the new game Color range. The medium bubbles a lot and if you don’t pop the bubbles it will leaves holes in your paint job
Yeah they break down like a lot of modern paint ranges do (think it's the binder that is required to make high opacity paints). For me it's not a problem as I use my wet palette to keep the paint fresh, not to store paints over multiple sessions.
I got one of the early batches and my VGC don't bubble, but I see it in Angel Giraldez' newest tutorials. Wonder what went wrong there. Will investigate. Loving my VGC acrylics so far.
Yes please, airbrush paint review video
Awesome video ! Do you thin your paint with water or medium ?
Plain water most of the time
Stahly please do swatches of the AK interactive 3rd gen paints pleaseee
One thing I wish I knew is how desaturated the paints are, due to heavy amounts of white pigment in every bottle, and because of this, some paints dry "chalkier" than others. I picked up a few, and I'm struggling whether I even want to keep 90% them, and just make room for Vallejo's model color/game color revisions instead. There are some standouts, like Angel Green, Warlock Magenta, & Matt White, but the desaturated tones in all the others are really killing me(okay not really, but just a real buzzkill)
Also the "warm" red triads are literally ORANGE both on the palette and dried on the model, and I actually returned those for my money back. Those colors were Absolute garbage IMO, and I'm wondering if I got a literal lemon. I'm grateful I did not grab any of the sets, and only just a few. However with my own personal qualms, you did a fantastic job on the mini, and explaining the best solutions to problems even you encountered, and The paint itself is good, I just hate the finish and muted tones.
One of the reasons that the new fanatic range doesn't quite match the colours of other brands, may be because they apparently consciously didn't try. When formulating the colour range they were referring to an open international colour standard system.
This one; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISCC%E2%80%93NBS_system
You're awesome, German Ninja Guy! Thank you!
^Do you thin pre thinned "Air" Colors?
I sometimes add a little drop of Vallejo Flow improver but apart from that, you can use them out of bottle most of the time
@@stahly_taleofpainters danke
Holy, how old are you? Been following Taleofpainters (rather loosly lately) back when i started 15 years ago, and now you look 10 years younger than me.
But nice to see you got a youtube, nice job!
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I am stoked for the new Vallejo Model Color once they release these. Should be relativly soon.
Willl you review the new Game Air range?
Wait, Vallejo is doing a revamp of Model Color too? I actually haven't heard of that! If they change the formula on the 70.950 Black, people will *riot*
Yeah, I hope to!
Yes, they announced it at Nuremburg Toy Fair
I had a flyer in my last VGC order. They claim better coverage, an ultra-matte finish and they will use the new bottle design. I am pretty excited
Huh. I actually prefer the old bottles. I find the new ones a bit more leaky, I have to constantly wipe off the tips. Then again, I haven't had any of the new bottles crack a lid on me as of yet so let's call that a fair trade. I just hope they manage to color match the new range, since 90% of my paint drawer is Model Color nowadays and I have a lot of recipes worked out using them for a lot of different armies.
A video on air brush paints would be great. PSI, compressor, etc... would be great.
Barbatos Rex here on RUclips has fantastic videos on airbrushing various paints. He also covers tons of mini painter paints like AK, Vallejo, ProAcryl etc...
I've got a question if you guys can help me. Im a beginner on a budget trying to find a good strater oaint range. Which one do you think is a good begineer friendly set?
All of the popular brands are perfectly usable for beginners. How much of a budget are you on? And are you more interested in getting models battle ready, or in the art of painting itself?
@CustodialNinja I would say alittle of both i want to start with a kill team and slowly get back into it. But to paint them up to the max is what i really want to do.
@@CustodialNinja My budget is tight
@mc0311 A few quick quality of life suggestions:
Pallete: Plastic sucks. I use ceramic floor tiles from a home improvement store. Cheap, durable, easy to clean with hot water or windex.
Mixing: Vallejo and Army Painter both need a decent amount of mixing. Stainless steel mixing balls make a fantastic agitator that cuts down on all the shaking. Not necessary to start, but if your elbow is getting tired, $10-15 will get you all the balls you'll ever need.
Mindset: Have fun and don't be afraid to fail. I'm a perfectionist myself and have to constantly fight this. All my best looking miniatures are ones I painted for other people, because I relaxed and just had fun doing it.
@CustodialNinja Awesome, thank you so much. I appreciate the help!
Once again, only paint reviews worth watching. Keep it up Stahly, we really appreciate your stuff.
Switch the way you use thinner and flow improver with acrylics, and you'll never have splatters/dry tips again. (mostly flow improver, a few drops of thinner to incorporate everything together) Goes through the airbrush like a lacquer.
Is that water alternative thinning medium the same thing as Lahmian medium?
Lahmian Medium makes a paint/wash more wash-like (increases surface tension so pigments will flow into the recesses), while Stablizer Medium just makes the paint thinner.
As a beginner should I get a set of warpaints fanatic or vallejo game color paints? Any advice which would be better for the start in the hoby?
Go for AP, the triad system will help a lot at the beginning and the fanatic range is good quality. Don’t buy the complete set though, start small and expand if you truely enjoy the hobby. Later you can switch to pro acryl or AK 3rd gen for when you got some skills to show
@@Walkion Why would you switch if the quality is already high in the Fanatic and you have experience with it?
@Walkion I mean, every review I've seen of the AP Fanatic puts it as high quality and once you have experience and maybe add in some stuff from the SP and Air ranges if needed, you can do competition level quality work
@@Walkion Hmmm, I see your point, especially if you're looking for a particular color that one paint range may not have (like in this video he was looking for that one color that citadel makes, but isn't in the AP range).
of course in that case you can just have Fanatic as your main range, and just add particular colors from other ranges as needed.
@@avinashtyagi2There are some issues with Fanatic most revewers never mention. The first one is that some paints are strongly desaturated and have strange hues. Like Fur Brown and Pure Red are actually pink. They reached excellent coverage probably ba adding a lot of white pigment. Second is good coverage - it's a blessing for young hobbyists but when you start to play with glazes and filters, it can be a problem. All paint ranges have their strengths and weaknesses, there is no one do it all palette. Fanatics are perfect for inexperienced painters that don't utilise very advanced techniques, but if you start to do them there are better options (Scale 75, AK Interactive, etc).
As far as 'matte' paints, Vallejo's "Model" paint-on range has lots of very matte-drying paints. They're supposed to be more realistic colors etc. and work well for scenery.
Time for some scale75 reviews :)
So really, you just had to gain experience with the paint
yes please, an airbrush video if you will
What I got was these are not identical to paint colors in other ranges.
airpaint review please
Nope, I don't. AK Interactive Gen 3 are better, more available and cheaper. At least where I live. And I do not need flow improvers or retarders to thin AK paints.
And I can't get rid of a feeling that this "color triad" is more of marketing step to make you buy MORE paints. So I will stick to kixing, because for minis I do not need those EXACT colors, contrary to when I paint my tanks and aircraft, where each nation had their own very specific grren or blue or khaki.
Hey when you would like to go for one paint range, had only one to choose- which one would it be? ;)
Probably Two Thin Coats, here is a list of my currently favourite paint ranges: taleofpainters.com/2023/08/stahlys-best-acrylic-paints-for-painting-warhammer-miniatures-2023/
AK Interactive ONLY because I'm a fanboy and if you use any other paint range you can't win Golden Demon. (My number 1 is AK but that is sarcasm you can hear :P )
@@stahly_taleofpainters and aren’t those screwed up? What I mean that those are set in triad system but this triad system does not match to each other?
@@egon446 yeah TTC triads aren't real triads
@@SvartElric9 yeah I’ve heard so
I kinda feel like the 6 color triads is just over kill
Let's go Stahly! Comment for the comment god.
I've never cared about triad or any kind of systematic color pairings so that's irrelevant to me, but now that Vallejo destroyed their Game Color line by discontinuing their old colors and using a new medium that stays too wet preventing dry edge work I'm looking for a standard acrylic paint line that won't ever change with exact color equivalents to the old Vallejo Game Color and Model Color lines so I'll look into the Fanatic paints. That stabilizer medium by the way is probably polypropylene glycol. It's a food additive that slows the dry times of acrylic paints.
Matt paint is the boss, I detest glossy or satin paints. And I am no youtuber, just a regular painter.
Same. But I don't really paint in a GW style, tend to prefer more volumetric lighting. And if I'm trying to control the light, then I don't want the shininess of the paint clashing with that.
Should change your channel name to Mortal Kombat
Turqueeze 😂
Seems like an unnecessary number of caveats to getting into this paint range, not much reason to pick it over AK and Two Thin Coats imo.